[LincolnTalk] Seeking help marketing sheep

[Karen Seo]

I raise Ouessant/Shetland cross sheep and need to figure out how to sell 
them.  Ouessant sheep are the smallest breed of sheep in the world 
(25-45 lbs).  My crosses are a little bigger with ewes averaging 50 
lbs.  They're smart, inquisitive, friendly, and have delicious meat and 
lovely wool.  People think they're delightful. But how many people 
actually want to own a miniature sheep?  And how do I find this small 
percentage of the population?  A marketing expert  (who likes my sheep 
but has no free time) said that all I need to do is use social media -- 
post some pictures on Instagram and a 15-second video on TikTok.  So I'm 
looking for help in doing this.  This would not be a big campaign and 
could be a few hours of each of several people -- aa marketing pro, 
photographer/videographer, and someone knowledgeable about social 
media.  Maybe there's a college marketing major who'd be interested.  In 
exchange, I'm happy to buy lunch/dinner, provide yarn, delicious 
lamb/mutton,  a couple of miniature sheep, or US currency. Please let me 
know if you have questions.  Thank you in advance.  (BTW, folks are 
welcome to come see the sheep -- just send me an email to coordinate on 
a time.)

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center- size considerations

[David Cuetos]

Those asserting that the school is too big for our student body are not
doing so blindly, they are referencing the Massachusetts School Building
Authority
 (MSBA)
guidelines
.
Is there any evidence to suggest the MSBA's guidelines "do not account for
an equitable education for all"? It seems reasonable to assume that the
State experts have equitable education as a guiding principle.



How do we determine if we are using this extra space effectively? Since we
have so much space per pupil compared to other towns, we would expect high
needs students in Lincoln doing particularly well. The data, however, does
not show that. Our high needs students exhibited average growth

in the 43th percentile and 46th percentile for the State MCAS in ELA and
Math respectively last school year, both unfortunately below the average
for high needs students in the State. Actually, since we moved into our new
school two years ago (one for elementary), high needs students MCAS scores
at the Lincoln School have dropped 8pp in ELA and 2pp Math, 6pp worse than
the average for high needs students in the State (-3pp in ELA, but +5pp in
Math). It does not seem that this extra space is yielding an equitable
education for all. I can think of many ways those tens of millions of
dollars we spent building an extra-large school could have been put to use
in more impactful ways.


We have neighbors with much less space per pupil, yet they house their
LEAP-equivalent programs at the school. A much more in-depth benchmark and
feasibility study should be conducted before asking town residents to shell
out another $3.4M. The potential temporary move of LEAP into the school
during the construction phase also begs the question of why not making it
permanent.


If any reader comes through the school any Thursday evening at 5pm, he or
she will find 28 4-8th graders practicing Math at the 8th grade-hub. We
petitioned the school last year to move out of the pods into the school,
and we are very happy with the arrangement. I hope more activities follow
our trail. High-performing schools are alive with extracurriculars.


David Cuetos

145 Weston Rd

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 13:21 Sara Mattes  wrote:

> This is helpful-more specificity to better understand why some classrooms
> appear used for only potions of the day, or even go empty.
> It would be helpful if the schools could provide this type of narrative,
> rather than simply saying something cannot be done.
> This is Lincoln, we need to know why!
> You have helped me, at least, fill in the blanks.
>
> Sara
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Heather Ring via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> To all saying how large our current school is, let’s talk about facts.
> The school houses pre-K to grade 8.  There are not 4 dedicated classrooms
> in each grade; pre-k, grade 1, and grade 3 each have 3 classrooms.  Every
> classroom in the school is in use.  Some rooms are used in flexible ways
> allowing an equitable education for all.  Covid has had a large impact on
> education.  News sources around the country routinely talk about the covid
> impact on education.  To have an equitable education students have
> different needs.  The “extra” space in the school allows the school to meet
> students where they are providing much needed services.  Metrics on
> building size do not account for an equitable education for all.  The
> school does not have the space to meet student educational needs and LEAP
> needs.  We are very lucky to have high quality programming provided by
> LEAP.
>
> -Heather Ring
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023, 11:26, llas902551--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Kristine thank you for your offering of why LEAP can't go into the
> school. These same reasons is why it is difficult  to have COA&HS  have
> programming in many venues.
> Thank you
> Lynne L
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
> 
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 3:09 PM, Kristine Barker
>  wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> I am a Lincoln resident, a parent to a student who attended Lincoln School
> and an educator in a neighboring district.   I believe this is a unique
> perspective as I can see things from the perspectives of a parent, a
> resident concerned with the town’s finances and an educator.
>
> My son, now a junior at LSRHS, attended LEAP for seven years. As a full
> time working mother, LEAP was a blessing.  My child was nurtured, educated,
> fed, loved and provided with various opportunities to increase his socia

[LincolnTalk] Lincoln community center vs Harvard COA apples to oranges

[Wendy Kusik via Lincoln]

I had the opportunity to visit the Harvard COA September 8, this month with two 
colleagues. Price quoted for purchase and rehab was $2.86M and 5,400 sq.ft1. 
Harvard is a stand alone COA, no PRD or Leap involvement2. It is located a 
couple of miles from the center of town3. Harvard purchased an already built 
and used medical building which was purchased from the owner who kept if off 
the market for town to buy.4. Rehab involved taking down some walls of the 
multiple offices, reconfiguring a space for two activity rooms , built a nicely 
equipped kitchen which at this time has not been used for large groups 
Thanksgiving will be their first test.5. There was none or little landscaping 
necessary, no additional parking necessary to add to costs6. they built a 
modest entryway7. There is no real cozy area(s) for drop ins, 8. People seeking 
privacy when wanting to discuss personal issues is somewhat limited.9.There is 
little storage
That being said the staff and director are happy to have a new and functional 
building. They have built a patio extending from one activity room, with raised 
vegetable beds, and it was very attractive but they miss being close to the 
recreation department in town,  missing the synergy. 
I can say the staff were very helpful and positive . I will be happy to answer 
any questions. I think it is obvious that the community center can not fairly 
be compared to Harvards COA .
Thank you, Wendy KusikMember Lincoln COA BoardMinuteman Senior Services Board 
of TrusteesCCBC Communication Committee
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Re: [LincolnTalk] where to call for air force noise complaints

[Laura Glynn]

Get an air noise button!  Easy as pie to file a complaint with the click of
a button.  I am now filing almost a hundred complaints a week. There is an
initial charge for the device and then only $6 a month.  Plus I think
neighbors within half a mile can piggyback for free on your complaints.

 The planes wake me up at 6 in the morning and keep me awake at 11 at
night.  If you get the flight radar 24 app you will see how many of these
planes are private planes flying the Uber rich to Martha’s Vineyard or
Nantucket islands or Hamptons or people learning to fly by flying circles
around Hanscom.

We need everyone to file as many complaints as possible.  At least until we
can exercise our second amendment rights at those privileged planes (that
is a joke - regrettably).

Once you start to listen to the planes you realize they are buzzing almost
every few minutes.  Most of us have learned to tune them out as city
dwellers no longer hear police sirens.  Stop and listen and you will be
horrified.

And this will soon seriously impact property values.

Imagine what this noise does to nocturnal creatures like owls who survive
based on hearing.

These new overlords may just have to take their private yachts to their
private islands!

Let’s give peace (and quiet) a chance over Lincoln!

Laura Glynn
Tower road

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 5:25 PM Crispy Perez 
wrote:

> Hello,
> The planes at hanscom are having a hell of a morning. They’ve been going
> on since at least 7 am. I called the hanscom noise compaint phone and left
> a message but for what I know those complaints make 0 impact. If you know
> of another means to put a complaint let me know.
> Thank you..
>
> Cris
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center- size considerations

[Peter Buchthal]

*I respectfully disagree with your conclusion.*

*We have been told the LEAP is a critical part of our student offering and
it must be on the Hartwell Campus.   I agree an extended day offering is
very important to all school districts at this time.  However, I believe
Leap could be relocated to the school since the scheduling of the School
and Leap perfectly fit together with no overlap.  In fact, Leap could share
space with the school like many other after school programs do today
without a problem.  If Leap MUST have some dedicated space, we apparently
have not done any analysis of our current School with our NEW
administration to see if they are able to provide some dedicated space to
Leap.  NOTHING has been done, and reported to the community.*

*Two days ago, we learned that during construction, Leap may have to be
relocated to the School.  WOW.   AGAIN, the School and Leap schedules fit
perfectly together without any overlap. S**o I guess it is possible that
the Community may not have to spend at least 3.4 Million dollars to provide
Leap with a new home if we share some space and find some additional
dedicated space.   Has anyone been in the new Library at the School?  It is
half empty.  Maybe we can repurpose or reconfigure some poorly
designed/used space to be dedicated for Leap  now that we have had
experience with our new school.   The TAXPAYERS should require at least
some effort by the interested parties (including the Lincoln Taxpayers)
before just concluding that Leap needs a brand new home in Hartwell.*

*Have we benchmarked our Neighboring communities to show how they provide
after school care?  No.  We believe our current offering is superior to an
in-school location without any analysis.  I called up Concord to find out
more about their after school programs.  Each of their three
elementary schools have an afterschool program within their buildings.  On
their short Wednesdays, Concord buses their children  to a common program.
We have enjoyed 40+ years of Leap at Hartwell and the useful life of the
Pod-C building is now over, so I believe we should explore alternatives to
save the town some money.  There has been no suggestion that Leap in
Hartwell improves the students academically over an in-school program.  *

*Shouldn't we at least explore looking at what  our neighbors offer after
school, or should we just agree to higher taxes without any measurable
benefit?*

Peter Buchthal
Weston Rd.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 11:26 AM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Hi Kristine thank you for your offering of why LEAP can't go into the
> school. These same reasons is why it is difficult  to have COA&HS  have
> programming in many venues.
> Thank you
> Lynne L
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
> 
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 3:09 PM, Kristine Barker
>  wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I am a Lincoln resident, a parent to a student who attended Lincoln School
> and an educator in a neighboring district.   I believe this is a unique
> perspective as I can see things from the perspectives of a parent, a
> resident concerned with the town’s finances and an educator.
>
> My son, now a junior at LSRHS, attended LEAP for seven years. As a full
> time working mother, LEAP was a blessing.  My child was nurtured, educated,
> fed, loved and provided with various opportunities to increase his social
> and communication skills.  He was exposed to new people, new experiences
> and appropriately and supportively challenged to engage in activities he
> may never have had the chance to try otherwise.  My only child had a chance
> to just have fun playing with children his age, something he never got to
> do at home or where we live in South Lincoln that doesn’t allow for
> neighborhood play opportunities.  When I would pick him up, he’d often ask
> for “a few more minutes” because he was excited by the opportunities
> provided to him by LEAP staff.  The staff were incredible.  They talked
> lovingly about students, they demonstrated enthusiasm for their work and
> they understood the responsibility of helping to raise other people’s
> children.  I never once entered the LEAP building without an exuberant and
> cheerful greeting from Katie, the tireless and dedicated director of LEAP.
> And somehow, the LEAP team has managed to do all that with a dilapidated
> physical environment that does not even remotely meet their needs.
>
> I completely understand why the notion of moving LEAP into the school
> building makes sense to those who may not spend much time in a school
> building.  Unless the school can provide LEAP with dedicated, *not shared*,
> space that can be fully accessed during the school day, it just won’t
> work.  The LEAP staff deserve opportunities to set up their lessons, access
> materials and prepare for that day.  In a working and busy school, that’s
> just not possible. I have worked in a school where the afte

[LincolnTalk] Suzuki book 1 for cello?

[Anne Warner]

Does anyone have the Suzuki Book 1 for cello that I could borrow? Anne Warner

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[LincolnTalk] Couldn't Make it to State of the Town? (Or want another chance to see the materials?)

[Jennifer Glass via Lincoln]

Couldn’t make it to State of the Town but still want to provide input? See 
below, but first...

A very big thank you to everyone who came out to State of the Town on Saturday! 
 We appreciate all your questions, feedback, and engagement.

This event could not have happened without the support of many, many people:
ALL the members of the many boards and committees who have been working on the 
topics we discussed!
Our entire Town Offices, Council on Aging & Human Services, and Parks & 
Recreation team who have been instrumental in planning for this event for 
months, guiding and supporting all of the committees involved. We have to 
especially call out: Tim Higgins, Town Administrator; Dan Pereira, Assistant 
Town Administrator; Paula Vaughn MacKenzie, Director of Planning & Land Use; 
Jennifer Curtin, Assistant Director of Planning & Land Use; Colleen Wilkins, 
Town Finance Director; and Peggy Elder, Administrative Assistant!
Town Facilities Director, Brandon Kelly, and our Lincoln School Facilities team 
for making all the set up and clean up logistics look easy.
Rob Ford, Director of Educational Operations and Technology, Lincoln Public 
Schools, for setting up all the tech.
The community groups that set up informational tables.
Twisted Tree for providing delicious lunches!

If you couldn’t make it or want another chance to look at slides, here are 
links to the presentations. Each of the committees involved will share the 
questions and feedback they got over the next couple of weeks. 

Climate Action Plan: Click the link to see the slides: 
https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85121/Climate-Action-Plan_SOTTPRESENTATION_09302023?bidId=
Community Center:  Click the link to see the slides: 
https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85120/2023-09-30--LCC---SOTT?bidId=
Housing Choice Act Zoning:  Here is a link to the slide deck with presenters' 
notes . Also, the 
Housing Choice Act Working Group is taking additional feedback until Friday, 
October 6th! Please use this link .
Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, & Anti-Racism:  Click this link to review the 
slide deck and provide feedback: https://forms.gle/r7Avy6hZp4CZKYnt6   
Select Board Survey: Use this form to tell us about your priorities and to give 
general feedback about this year’s State of the Town: 
https://forms.gle/bwFEYS8dzaaX1VRh8 

See you at the Special Town Meeting on Saturday, December 2nd when we will 
choose a Community Center option!

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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Andrew Payne]

Karla G. wrote:

Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC used
> the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.
>
The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US Census
ACS data:  figuring out the *non-Hanscom population.  *

Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.

One
let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
resident's view,

-andy
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[LincolnTalk] LLCT Annual Meeting October 3rd

[LLCT Information]

LLCT's Annual Meeting will be held on Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:30 P.M.
at St. Anne's in the Fields (147 Concord Rd, Lincoln).

Gather at 6:30 P.M. for a reception with light refreshments and music. The
business meeting will begin at 7:15 P.M.

Gwyn Loud will give the keynote address on her observations of 50 years of
changing landscapes, flora, and fauna in Lincoln. Weaving together
anecdotes gathered from her own experiences and those of her network of
wildlife observers, Gwyn will delight us with Lincoln’s biodiversity and
remind us why conservation matters.

This will be an in-person program and all are welcome!
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[LincolnTalk] Open House - North Village PreSchool - 11:00 to 2:00, Saturday Oct 14

[Robert Hicks]

[image: North Village PreSchool.jpg]

North Village Pre-School is a new play-based preschool conveniently located
at the intersection of Conant Road and Rt 117 in the Weston United
Methodist Church.  There are 2 large classrooms, an indoor play space and
an outdoor playground.  As a small preschool starting with 10 children, we
are able to provide individualized care and attention to children ages 18
months-6 years old.

Both half-day and full-day options are offered
Half-day: 8:30-12:30
Full-day: 8:30-3:00 or 8:30-5:00.

We also offer early start from 8:00-8:30 am and extended stay
from 5:00-5:30pm.

Our school year runs September through June, and we offer a summer program
June through August.

North Village Pre-School provides an exceptional preschool experience with
qualified, experienced, passionate teachers and small class sizes so that
each child has the attention and care they deserve. Our teachers are
committed to helping children grow and develop in every area, and we strive
to ensure each child's happiness each and every day.

We look forward to meeting you and your children.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Karla Gravis]

While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that
distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC
is not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the
TOTAL Lincoln population.


The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors
than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.


More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the
CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing, and
I quote: “The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town, to
ensure full comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of Hanscom
or not, the CCBC benchmarking is using different sources for other towns
and not for Lincoln. They used the *lower* numbers for other towns from one
source and the *higher* numbers for Lincoln from a different source. At the
very least, there should have been a caveat explaining this.


I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to the
methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little
reason to believe the ACS is a less accurate population measure.


By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other towns,
it seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our needs. If we
add this to the fact that the COA refuses to provide attendance data, we
dramatically increase the probability that the town will be building
another building that is way too big for our real needs.


Karla Gravis

Weston Road


On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 AM Andrew Payne  wrote:

>
> Karla G. wrote:
>
> Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC
>> used the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.
>>
> The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US Census
> ACS data:  figuring out the *non-Hanscom population.  *
>
> Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.
>
> One
> let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
> resident's view,
>
> -andy
> https://payne.org/lt-disclaimer/
>
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[LincolnTalk] 2 shares organic veggies available today!!!!lindentree farm

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Today Monday Pick Up is 3 to 6 pm

A bag of delicious freshly harvested now!
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Then also 
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Radishes
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And…
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[LincolnTalk] FS: For Sale for BBI: Professional prints by Katrina Hart, Iron Warehouse, Barclay Street, New York $20 each

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

No For sale, with 100% of all proceeds going to the Boston Bridges Initiative, 
a 501(c)3 here in the Boston MetroWest supporting all METCO groups including 
Lincoln: 
Professional prints by Katrina Hart, Iron Warehouse, Barclay Street, New York
On hard, high quality, embossed paper (card stock) 
23” X 17.75” unframed, perfect condition 
$20 each 15 available
Donated directly to BBI from the artist’s North Shore home
About the artist: 
Katrina Hart received her art education at the Academy of Fine Arts in 
Florence, Italy, The Tyler School of Art in Philadelphia, Montserrat College of 
Art , and at The School of the Museum of Fine Art in Boston.
Her career has included illustration and design for various publishing houses 
including World Press Review in New York City, and in-house publications for 
the Emilio Pucci Salon in Italy. She is a member of the Copley Society of 
Boston with the CA distinction. Her work has been shown on a regular basis in 
local galleries.
Working in pastel, she was devoted to interpreting the New England landscape 
including Downeast Maine. 
She says of her work, “I attempt to reduce the subject matter to its simplest 
elements with nothing man-made as part of the design. My focus has been Nature, 
natural objects as my focus”. This simplification has led to her most recent 
work: abstract forms in the acrylic medium.
Please see the link below for more photos:
Professional prints by Katrina Hart, Iron Warehouse, Barclay St. NY - arts & 
crafts - by owner - sale - craigslist 
  
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Lincoln: Professional prints by Katrina...
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Please call Joanna Schmergel to purchase at 617-645-9059. Pickup at 18 Cerulean 
Way.  

*Giant dog is friendly 

Serious inquiries only please. 

 All sales are final and all items are sold “As Is”.

These items are cross-posted for sale on other sites. 

Payment in cash, check or credit card on site

Downsize for Diversity ART (Anti-Racist Together) Boston Bridges Initiative has 
netted $31,000 since January 2023.

BBI’s Mission:
Facilitate cultural exchange and promote meaningful social interaction between 
city and suburban families

Learn more about the Boston Business Initiative here:

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Joanna Owen Schmergel 
617-645-9059
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The Boston Bridges Initiative, a 501(c)(3)

Downsize for Diversity ART (Anti-Racist Together)

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(The Downsize for Diversity ART (Anti-Racist Together) program was originally 
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Coordinating Committee, in Lincoln, MA, and raised $170,000 from 2017 to 2022).

As seen on WBZ CBS News Boston:

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston...
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[LincolnTalk] Shares sold out thanks

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[LincolnTalk] Replacement Windows & Doors - Midcentury Modern

[Veronica Greenbaum]

Hi LT community,

I'm looking for recommendations for replacement windows and doors for a 
midcentury modern.  I stumbled across a local company - Trudeau Windows and 
Doors (an Acorn Deck House company) - that makes them.  If anyone has 
experience with them, I would appreciate your feedback too.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Michael Dembowski]

Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested -
Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA,
LEAP and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?
The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School
Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class
sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per
grade. A majority of the allowable increase can be absorbed within the
current number of class sections - 187 of a 267 total.
Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to be
gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for
additional future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that
additional demand should be at least a point of discussion if not be
outright factored into the Community Center programming.
Michael Dembowski
Conant Road

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that
> distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC
> is not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the
> TOTAL Lincoln population.
>
>
> The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors
> than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.
>
>
> More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the
> CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing,
> and I quote: “The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town,
> to ensure full comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of
> Hanscom or not, the CCBC benchmarking is using different sources for other
> towns and not for Lincoln. They used the *lower* numbers for other towns
> from one source and the *higher* numbers for Lincoln from a different
> source. At the very least, there should have been a caveat explaining this.
>
>
> I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to the
> methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little
> reason to believe the ACS is a less accurate population measure.
>
>
> By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other towns,
> it seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our needs. If we
> add this to the fact that the COA refuses to provide attendance data, we
> dramatically increase the probability that the town will be building
> another building that is way too big for our real needs.
>
>
> Karla Gravis
>
> Weston Road
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 AM Andrew Payne  wrote:
>
>>
>> Karla G. wrote:
>>
>> Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC
>>> used the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.
>>>
>> The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US
>> Census ACS data:  figuring out the *non-Hanscom population.  *
>>
>> Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.
>>
>> One
>> let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
>> resident's view,
>>
>> -andy
>> https://payne.org/lt-disclaimer/
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[LincolnTalk] Community Center Feedback from SOTT

[Krystal Wood]

Thank you to those who were able to attend the Community Center Building
Committee forum at State of The Town.  If you took your salmon colored
feedback form, they can be returned to Town Hall before end of business on
Tuesday.  The google form QR code on the form will also be active through
Tuesday, if you would rather complete electronically.

If you were unable to attend a forum during SOTT, no worries, the CCBC
wants to hear from you.  The salmon colored feedback forms were specific
for the SOTT presentations. There will be more opportunities for public
comment in October and November.  You can also always provide a comment
through our website .

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center- size considerations

[Philana Mia Gnatowski]

Hello LT,

I wanted to weigh in on this lively debate as both a former LEAP employee
and as someone who grew up in Lincoln and chose to move back and raise her
kids here. I believe that LEAP must remain in its own dedicated space on
campus.

In my experience as LEAP's middle school coordinator for 6 years, having
our own building was extremely important for our day to day operations.
Some have suggested that there is no overlap between the end of the school
day and the beginning of LEAP's programming, but unless things have changed
drastically, I do not believe this is the case. This is because the "start
of day" for a LEAP teacher doesn't begin when the kids' school day ends. It
starts with cleaning, set up and prep work for art projects or other
activities. Having sufficient time and space to sit down with fellow
teachers, without the children present, to discuss issues for the day is
extremely important for both the quality of the programming and the staff's
morale. It ensures that every staff member is on the same page and working
as a cohesive unit to meet students' needs. From my understanding, the
school building cannot accommodate this.

Renting space off campus would drastically change the role LEAP plays
facilitating students' other enrichment offerings. One of the many perks of
being on the school campus is that LEAP staff also walk students to and
from other after school activities. These kids don't have to miss out on
gymnastics, theatre, tennis or music class. I remember my former boss
saying to me that "we are very lucky to be able to rent a space on campus."
Most private, non profit after school programs, like ours, don't operate on
campus, requiring kids to be driven there. And once there, they stay there,
until picked up by a caregiver.

The idea proposed that there is no correlation between LEAP having its own
building and improved academic scores among its students begs a deeper
question: what are afterschool programs for? I have always believed that
LEAP was more about social/emotional growth than academic outcomes. Does
the program also support kids academically? Of course. I spent a lot of
time helping students with their homework and empowering them to believe in
their own capabilities as a student. Did this improve their test scores? I
have no idea. My goal was to be someone they could trust asking for help.
Because I believe that is an important life skill: being able to recognize
when you don't understand something and ask another person for advice. That
is something I always felt the LEAP program, in my time there, did better
than most. We created a safe environment, where kids could be kids, and
felt comfortable trying new things, making new friends, voicing their
opinions. Maybe having our own building didn’t create this dynamic. But it
did offer stability. A place where kids could see their art work on the
wall, a cubby where they could store extra clothing or trinkets from home,
a place that felt like it was theirs and not transient or shared with
anything or anyone else.

I know this email will be met with opposition. And I welcome it. We’re not
always going to agree. And not all of us are going to be happy with the
inevitable outcome, whatever it may be. I just wanted to offer another
perspective for people to consider. And I want to sincerely thank those
volunteering their time on committees trying to figure this all out.

All the best,
Philana

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:00 AM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> *I respectfully disagree with your conclusion.*
>
> *We have been told the LEAP is a critical part of our student offering and
> it must be on the Hartwell Campus.   I agree an extended day offering is
> very important to all school districts at this time.  However, I believe
> Leap could be relocated to the school since the scheduling of the School
> and Leap perfectly fit together with no overlap.  In fact, Leap could share
> space with the school like many other after school programs do today
> without a problem.  If Leap MUST have some dedicated space, we apparently
> have not done any analysis of our current School with our NEW
> administration to see if they are able to provide some dedicated space to
> Leap.  NOTHING has been done, and reported to the community.*
>
> *Two days ago, we learned that during construction, Leap may have to be
> relocated to the School.  WOW.   AGAIN, the School and Leap schedules fit
> perfectly together without any overlap. S**o I guess it is possible that
> the Community may not have to spend at least 3.4 Million dollars to provide
> Leap with a new home if we share some space and find some additional
> dedicated space.   Has anyone been in the new Library at the School?  It is
> half empty.  Maybe we can repurpose or reconfigure some poorly
> designed/used space to be dedicated for Leap  now that we have had
> experience with our new school.   The TAXPAYERS should require at least
> some effort by the interested parties (including the L

Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Barbara Low]

One of the comments made at the zoning session I attended was that although the 
zoning changes could/would be made, it could take decades for the dense housing 
to be built. I would not start counting new residents yet.

Barbara Low

From: Lincoln  on behalf of Michael Dembowski 

Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 12:19 PM
To: Karla Gravis 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested -
Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA, LEAP 
and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?
The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School 
Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class 
sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per grade. A 
majority of the allowable increase can be absorbed within the current number of 
class sections - 187 of a 267 total.
Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to be 
gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for additional 
future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that additional demand 
should be at least a point of discussion if not be outright factored into the 
Community Center programming.
Michael Dembowski
Conant Road

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis 
mailto:karlagra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that 
distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC is 
not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the TOTAL 
Lincoln population.


The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors than 
the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.


More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the CCBC 
is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing, and I quote: 
“The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town, to ensure full 
comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of Hanscom or not, the CCBC 
benchmarking is using different sources for other towns and not for Lincoln. 
They used the *lower* numbers for other towns from one source and the *higher* 
numbers for Lincoln from a different source. At the very least, there should 
have been a caveat explaining this.


I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to the 
methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little reason to 
believe the ACS is a less accurate population measure.


By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other towns, it 
seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our needs. If we add 
this to the fact that the COA refuses to provide attendance data, we 
dramatically increase the probability that the town will be building another 
building that is way too big for our real needs.


Karla Gravis

Weston Road


On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 AM Andrew Payne 
mailto:a...@payne.org>> wrote:

Karla G. wrote:


Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC used the 
ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.

The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US Census ACS 
data:  figuring out the non-Hanscom population.

Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.

One 
let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
 resident's view,

-andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Sara Mattes]

Amen…and the preferred proposals presented, when looking at the potential build out as was posted this AM, might alter people’s thinking.We might elect to reduce the S Lincoln designated area and add a swath of N.Lincoln, where there is less likelihood for growth.The “build it and they will come” is a flawed mantra….unless you are Kevin Costner and building a “ field of dreams.”Sent from my iPadOn Oct 2, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:






One of the comments made at the zoning session I attended was that although the zoning changes could/would be made, it could take decades for the dense housing to be built. I would not start counting new residents yet.




Barbara Low


From: Lincoln  on behalf of Michael Dembowski 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 12:19 PM
To: Karla Gravis 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links
 




Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested - 

Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA, LEAP and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?

The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per grade. A majority of the allowable increase
 can be absorbed within the current number of class sections - 187 of a 267 total.

Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to be gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for additional future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that additional demand should be at least a point
 of discussion if not be outright factored into the Community Center programming. 

Michael Dembowski

Conant Road



On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis  wrote:




While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC is not calculating
 the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the TOTAL Lincoln population. 


The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.


More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that
the CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing, and I quote: “The
 CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town, to ensure full comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of Hanscom or not, the CCBC benchmarking is using different sources for
 other towns and not for Lincoln. They used the *lower* numbers for other towns from one source and the *higher* numbers for Lincoln from a different source. At the very least, there should have been a caveat explaining this.


I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to the methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little reason to believe the
 ACS is a less accurate population measure.


By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other towns, it seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our needs. If we add this to the
 fact that the COA refuses to provide attendance data, we dramatically increase the probability that the town will be building another building that is way too big for our real needs.


Karla Gravis
Weston Road





On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 AM Andrew Payne  wrote:





Karla G. wrote:








Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC used the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.




The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US Census ACS data:  figuring out the
non-Hanscom population.  


Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.


One let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits resident's view,


-andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Pastor Allen]

Andy is correct.  And, the town has no jurisdiction over most of what happens 
at Hanscom. We therefore should not include that area or its residents in 
metrics that influence town policy,  projects, and performance measures.

-Allen Vander Meulen

> On Oct 2, 2023, at 10:05, Andrew Payne  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Karla G. wrote:
> 
>> Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC used 
>> the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.
>> 
> The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US Census 
> ACS data:  figuring out the non-Hanscom population.  
> 
> Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.
> 
> One 
> let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
>  resident's view,
> 
> -andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Robert Ahlert]

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Devilopers are smart and they are already
circling. They can see these maps as well. Lincoln will be a very
profitable place for them to build.

The property owners stand to make a lot of money. That’s why I’m curious
about how the subdistricts work and can individual property owners sell
separately from the others within their subdistrict?  Is it just going to
be a mishmash of designs and styles or one big mega-development?

Rob A
185 Lincoln Rd.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 2:21 PM Barbara Low  wrote:

> One of the comments made at the zoning session I attended was that
> although the zoning changes could/would be made, it could take decades for
> the dense housing to be built. I would not start counting new residents yet.
>
> Barbara Low
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Michael
> Dembowski 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2023 12:19 PM
> *To:* Karla Gravis 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links
>
> Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested -
> Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA,
> LEAP and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?
> The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School
> Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class
> sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per
> grade. A majority of the allowable increase can be absorbed within the
> current number of class sections - 187 of a 267 total.
> Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to
> be gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for
> additional future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that
> additional demand should be at least a point of discussion if not be
> outright factored into the Community Center programming.
> Michael Dembowski
> Conant Road
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
> While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that
> distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC
> is not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the
> TOTAL Lincoln population.
>
>
> The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors
> than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.
>
>
> More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the
> CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing,
> and I quote: “The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town,
> to ensure full comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of
> Hanscom or not, the CCBC benchmarking is using different sources for other
> towns and not for Lincoln. They used the *lower* numbers for other towns
> from one source and the *higher* numbers for Lincoln from a different
> source. At the very least, there should have been a caveat explaining this.
>
>
> I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to the
> methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little
> reason to believe the ACS is a less accurate population measure.
>
>
> By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other towns,
> it seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our needs. If we
> add this to the fact that the COA refuses to provide attendance data, we
> dramatically increase the probability that the town will be building
> another building that is way too big for our real needs.
>
>
> Karla Gravis
>
> Weston Road
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 AM Andrew Payne  wrote:
>
>
> Karla G. wrote:
>
> Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC
> used the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.
>
> The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US Census
> ACS data:  figuring out the *non-Hanscom population.  *
>
> Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.
>
> One
> let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
> resident's view,
>
> -andy
> https://payne.org/lt-disclaimer/
>
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[LincolnTalk] Impact of HCA zoning on the CC and the school

[David Cuetos]

That is an interesting thought: HCA rezoning manifesting itself in the need
to build a larger more expensive Community Center that we would otherwise
do, with the associated increase in taxes for existing town residents.
Could it be that the rezoning would cause the town incur some costs which
are currently not contemplated by the HCA working group? I have offered the
HCA working group and the Select Board to spearhead an analysis group that
would look at all the different financial implications of the HCA zoning
with some rigor, but so far I have not received an iota of interest.


Let us look in more detail at the premises of that presentation
“demonstrating” that the LPS school enrollment could be absorbed by the
school.
https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85116/2023-SOTT-HCA-Slide-Deck-wtih-Notes?bidId=



   - The analysis assumes sections will be filled to capacity. This has
   simply not been the policy of the school. To give you an example, the
   school decided to add a section this year in fourth grade despite having
   less than 20 students per section with three sections, well the maximum 22.
   They also hired a new teacher for fifth grade despite the number of
   students per section being compliant with the rules as defined by the
   School Committee. In fact, if we followed their logic, we should be
   dropping another section in sixth grade and a couple of sections in eight
   grade. If the school really thinks that filling classes to capacity is not
   a problem, why are we not doing that now?


   - The study naively, and conveniently for their purposes, assumes that
   all cohorts perfectly adapt to the maximum enrollment number per grade. As
   you can see in our current enrollment, the bigger cohorts like 5th grade
   are 60% larger than the smaller cohorts, like 1st grade. This is partly the
   justification for why we keep more teachers around than necessary if we
   were optimizing for one school year. If we increase our baseline student
   population by 50%, some cohorts will require 6 sections rather than 4.
   Since those kids will go through every grade from kindergarten to middle
   school, we would need to keep more teachers on staff at different grade
   levels to absorb them, like we do now.


   - What does it actually mean to “absorb”? Of course there is space to
   house more kids in the school. No questions about that. What those slides
   fail to mention is that payroll constitutes more than 75% of the school’s
   budget. Most of those staff members are directly tied to enrollment. It is
   not just classroom teachers, it is substitute teachers, specialists, aides,
   etc. If we add more students, costs will go up almost 1:1.


What I am trying to say is that HCA rezoning, if approved by the town, will
have very large tax implications for town residents which are not being
discussed. I would encourage everyone to reach out to the working group and
the Selects and get their thoughts on what I am explaining here. I also
once more, this time informally, petition the Working Group and the Selects
to take the matter seriously and appoint an independent study group to look
into these issues.


David Cuetos

Weston Rd


On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 12:20 Michael Dembowski 
wrote:

> Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested -
> Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA,
> LEAP and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?
> The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School
> Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class
> sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per
> grade. A majority of the allowable increase can be absorbed within the
> current number of class sections - 187 of a 267 total.
> Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to
> be gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for
> additional future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that
> additional demand should be at least a point of discussion if not be
> outright factored into the Community Center programming.
> Michael Dembowski
> Conant Road
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
>> While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that
>> distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC
>> is not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the
>> TOTAL Lincoln population.
>>
>>
>> The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors
>> than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.
>>
>>
>> More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the
>> CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing,
>> and I quote: “The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers f

[LincolnTalk] referrals for movers

[r t]

Hi,
We have a small moving job to a storage unit. Recommendations appreciated.
Rachel and Tim
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[LincolnTalk] ISO packing supples and boxes....including boxes for paintings

[Polly Frankel]

Hi, dear “neighbors,”
Looking for regular packing/moving boxes and also those to transport paintings. 
And cushioning/wrapping supplies as well.
With thanks,
Polly and Don


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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Fuat Koro]

I think the School Building considerations were very different from the
Community Center.

Ultimately, we did not build a "new" school, we "renovated" an existing
building. Residents voted down a brand "new" school building which was one
of the options. Hence the school building design had the constraints of an
existing footprint. So the "primary" focus was neither expansion nor
downsizing. I'm sure there were interior design changes that
partitioned spaces differently, but we still had the constraints of a
renovation.

In terms of the number of students, I recall the published data
showed enrollment peaked in 02/03 at ~732 students and declined to ~520
students in 22/23 -- 20 years later. As Michael indicated, with rezoning --
as well as resident turnover -- enrollment can increase.

Fuat Koro
Sweet Bay Ln.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 12:20 PM Michael Dembowski 
wrote:

> Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested -
> Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA,
> LEAP and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?
> The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School
> Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class
> sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per
> grade. A majority of the allowable increase can be absorbed within the
> current number of class sections - 187 of a 267 total.
> Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to
> be gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for
> additional future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that
> additional demand should be at least a point of discussion if not be
> outright factored into the Community Center programming.
> Michael Dembowski
> Conant Road
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
>> While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that
>> distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC
>> is not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the
>> TOTAL Lincoln population.
>>
>>
>> The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors
>> than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.
>>
>>
>> More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the
>> CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing,
>> and I quote: “The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town,
>> to ensure full comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of
>> Hanscom or not, the CCBC benchmarking is using different sources for other
>> towns and not for Lincoln. They used the *lower* numbers for other towns
>> from one source and the *higher* numbers for Lincoln from a different
>> source. At the very least, there should have been a caveat explaining this.
>>
>>
>> I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to
>> the methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little
>> reason to believe the ACS is a less accurate population measure.
>>
>>
>> By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other
>> towns, it seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our
>> needs. If we add this to the fact that the COA refuses to provide
>> attendance data, we dramatically increase the probability that the town
>> will be building another building that is way too big for our real needs.
>>
>>
>> Karla Gravis
>>
>> Weston Road
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 AM Andrew Payne  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Karla G. wrote:
>>>
>>> Below are two examples for Concord and Harvard, as proof that the CCBC
 used the ACS numbers and not the town census numbers in their benchmarking.

>>> The issue that is very unique to Lincoln when trying to use that US
>>> Census ACS data:  figuring out the *non-Hanscom population.  *
>>>
>>> Anyone making cross-town comparisons should keep that in mind.
>>>
>>> One
>>> let's-complicate-things-by-putting-Hanscom-AFB-base-housing-within-our-small-town's-town-limits
>>> resident's view,
>>>
>>> -andy
>>> https://payne.org/lt-disclaimer/
>>>
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[LincolnTalk] Looking for Dressage Apparel size small

[liz lieblich]

Hi everyone,

Are there any riders who have outgrown their dressage apparel and would
like to pass on/sell any of it?

My daughter (12) has her first dressage show this weekend and I'm
looking for a stock tie, white show shirt, and show jacket. Anything I
purchase new, she will outgrow in a few months, so I am hoping to find
pre-owned.

If you do have any show clothing that you're looking to clear out, please
let me know!

Thank you,

Liz Lieblich
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[LincolnTalk] Has anyone successfully solved the woodpecker problem?

[Stacey Parks]

Dear Lincoln Talkers,
I am stymied! Woodpeckers are hammering holes in my beautiful home. There are 
plenty of dead trees for their picking/pecking near my house, but they are 
relentless in their abuse. Does anyone have a solution?

Thank you.

Stacey

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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links

[Michael Dembowski]

Rob is absolutely correct in that Lincoln will be desirable and ripe for
development - Lincoln's attributes will remain desirable - only accessible
to and appreciated by more.
It's naive to imagine a developer doesn't foresee the potential upside of
development here than in nearby towns - the open space, the schools, the
commuter rail link and ease of automobile access to highways and downtown.
And although site review and other approvals are embedded within 'right to
build' - the committee should gain Utile's input - Is it possible to
establish a Town 'Master Plan' or 'Design Guidelines' that can be codified
and be enforceable? How might the Town be able to define design guidelines
to prevent the 'mish-mash' that would not only be counter but detrimental
to Lincoln's character? Are there lessons to be learned from how other
communities have experienced the similar potential of sizable sudden
development?

As to the process by which individual property owners sell - I recall
living in Charlestown, MA during one of its real estate heydays - many who
profited by selling and relocating elsewhere would travel back and gather
daily with their folding lawn chairs to socialize in front of DDs. I
imagine Twisted Tree would serve the same purpose here. Or perhaps the
Community Center if that were to be built.

-Michael Dembowski
Conant Road

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:41 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Devilopers are smart and they are already
> circling. They can see these maps as well. Lincoln will be a very
> profitable place for them to build.
>
> The property owners stand to make a lot of money. That’s why I’m curious
> about how the subdistricts work and can individual property owners sell
> separately from the others within their subdistrict?  Is it just going to
> be a mishmash of designs and styles or one big mega-development?
>
> Rob A
> 185 Lincoln Rd.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 2:21 PM Barbara Low 
> wrote:
>
>> One of the comments made at the zoning session I attended was that
>> although the zoning changes could/would be made, it could take decades for
>> the dense housing to be built. I would not start counting new residents yet.
>>
>> Barbara Low
>> --
>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Michael
>> Dembowski 
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2023 12:19 PM
>> *To:* Karla Gravis 
>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC FAQ's - with additional links
>>
>> Karla, Andy and those so inclined - and still interested -
>> Has anyone made an attempt to look at increased capacity/demand of COA,
>> LEAP and Parks and Rec due to the proposed Town Rezoning?
>> The Rezoning Deck posted earlier this AM includes a chart on LPS School
>> Enrollment - demonstrating what could be absorbed within current # of class
>> sections and within the space limitation of (1) additional section per
>> grade. A majority of the allowable increase can be absorbed within the
>> current number of class sections - 187 of a 267 total.
>> Beyond debate and disagreement about numbers, perhaps a larger lesson to
>> be gleaned is that the school project smartly has been right-sized for
>> additional future capacity. Given the proposed zoning changes - that
>> additional demand should be at least a point of discussion if not be
>> outright factored into the Community Center programming.
>> Michael Dembowski
>> Conant Road
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Karla Gravis 
>> wrote:
>>
>> While I understand that Hanscom could bring a level of complexity, that
>> distinction is not relevant in this particular discussion because the CCBC
>> is not calculating the non-Hanscom population. The benchmarking used the
>> TOTAL Lincoln population.
>>
>>
>> The issue at hand is that the town census shows 600 (~40%) more seniors
>> than the US census for all of Lincoln. Hanscom does not affect that.
>>
>>
>> More importantly, the Hanscom discussion does not change the fact that the
>> CCBC is not being forthcoming about sources. The CCBC said, in writing,
>> and I quote: “The CCBC has used the Town Census numbers for every town,
>> to ensure full comparability”. That is simply not true. Regardless of
>> Hanscom or not, the CCBC benchmarking is using different sources for other
>> towns and not for Lincoln. They used the *lower* numbers for other towns
>> from one source and the *higher* numbers for Lincoln from a different
>> source. At the very least, there should have been a caveat explaining this.
>>
>>
>> I would also note that, given the upward bias of a town census, due to
>> the methodological issues I describe in my previous post, there is little
>> reason to believe the ACS is a less accurate population measure.
>>
>>
>> By using the higher numbers for Lincoln but lower numbers for other
>> towns, it seems like we’re trying to justify a center bigger than our
>> needs. If we add this to the fact that the COA refuses to provide
>> attendance data, we dramatically increase the p

Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 units per acre (Gross)

[Sara Mattes]

OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln?
The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly NOT something 
I would like to see.
Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the Above”, but 
would have indicated I would support a map that shrank the size of the 
S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall,  and maybe Lewis Street, and then 
include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the difference.

Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the likes of me 
as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario?

I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, and that is 
my concern.

I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love with over 45 
years ago.
Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and intensity 
suggested is not what I would like to visit on  future generations.




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> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer  wrote:
> 
> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which provides an 
> interactive map for viewing actual residential density for towns, 
> neighborhoods, and individual parcels.
> https://residensity.mhp.net/
> 
> Don Seltzer
> 
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert  > wrote:
>> Hi all -
>> 
>> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look like, it is 
>> useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize it.  Also, I learned 
>> that density can be spread across a district or sub-district, only the 
>> average needs to be 15 units.  But with the 36' high maximum in town, it 
>> will be interesting to see what the designs are.
>> 
>> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density
>> 
>> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 units per 
>> acre.  Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be higher and 
>> others lower to make it average out.
>> 
>> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts sells-out at 
>> the same time.  If they don't, i guess each developer will come up with 
>> their own design?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 units per acre (Gross)

[John Mendelson]

I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put on by
FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town Meeting on
Saturday.  See:

https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach

This densely built, multi-family development is anything but "gross."  In
fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, represents the
best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative problem solving, and
honoring the town's history of supporting modern, human scale dwellings.

Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've put so much
time in coming up with a terrific solution to both comply with the Housing
Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather than to fearmonger
with words and images that don't represent the good work and intentions of
many residents.

John



On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln?
> The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly NOT
> something I would like to see.
> Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the Above”,
> but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank the size of the
> S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall,  and maybe Lewis Street, and then
> include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the difference.
>
> Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the likes
> of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario?
>
> I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, and that
> is my concern.
>
> I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love with over
> 45 years ago.
> Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and intensity
> suggested is not what I would like to visit on  future generations.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer  wrote:
>
> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which provides an
> interactive map for viewing actual residential density for towns,
> neighborhoods, and individual parcels.
> https://residensity.mhp.net/
>
> Don Seltzer
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look like, it
>> is useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize it.  Also, I
>> learned that density can be spread across a district or sub-district, only
>> the average needs to be 15 units.  But with the 36' high maximum in town,
>> it will be interesting to see what the designs are.
>>
>>
>> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density
>>
>> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 units
>> per acre.  Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be higher and
>> others lower to make it average out.
>>
>> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts sells-out
>> at the same time.  If they don't, i guess each developer will come up with
>> their own design?
>>
>> 
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> --
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Has anyone successfully solved the woodpecker problem?

[Allen Vander Meulen]

We had the same problem at our home.  Two things need to be done.  

First, eliminate what the woodpeckers are looking-for, most likely carpenter 
ants.  woodpeckers can hear them through the wood, and will drill holes there.  
Our home is similar to yours, I think, with vertical siding: that type of 
construction is prone to rot starting at the bottom corners of the windows and 
running down from there underneath the siding - carpenter ants love rotten and 
wet wood.

Second, discourage the birds with something “scary”.  In our case, we hung old 
CD’S and DVD’S on strings about a foot apart, and dangled them over the areas 
the birds were attacking.  It did the job.  I’ve been told that tin foil also 
works well.

We had major woodpecker issues when we bought our home, 15 years ago.  Have not 
had any issues for about 10 years now.

-Allen Vander Meulen

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> On Oct 2, 2023, at 18:59, Stacey Parks  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lincoln Talkers,
> I am stymied! Woodpeckers are hammering holes in my beautiful home. There are 
> plenty of dead trees for their picking/pecking near my house, but they are 
> relentless in their abuse. Does anyone have a solution?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Stacey
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 units per acre (Gross)

[Robert Ahlert]

John - “Gross” is the term applied to the formula applied for calculating
the # of units allowing them to be averaged across the entire subdistrict.

Rob A



On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:47 PM John Mendelson 
wrote:

> I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put on by
> FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town Meeting on
> Saturday.  See:
>
> https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach
>
> This densely built, multi-family development is anything but "gross."  In
> fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, represents the
> best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative problem solving, and
> honoring the town's history of supporting modern, human scale dwellings.
>
> Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've put so much
> time in coming up with a terrific solution to both comply with the Housing
> Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather than to fearmonger
> with words and images that don't represent the good work and intentions of
> many residents.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln?
>> The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly NOT
>> something I would like to see.
>> Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the Above”,
>> but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank the size of the
>> S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall,  and maybe Lewis Street, and then
>> include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the difference.
>>
>> Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the likes
>> of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario?
>>
>> I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, and
>> that is my concern.
>>
>> I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love with
>> over 45 years ago.
>> Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and intensity
>> suggested is not what I would like to visit on  future generations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer  wrote:
>>
>> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which provides an
>> interactive map for viewing actual residential density for towns,
>> neighborhoods, and individual parcels.
>> https://residensity.mhp.net/
>>
>> Don Seltzer
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all -
>>>
>>> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look like, it
>>> is useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize it.  Also, I
>>> learned that density can be spread across a district or sub-district, only
>>> the average needs to be 15 units.  But with the 36' high maximum in town,
>>> it will be interesting to see what the designs are.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density
>>>
>>> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 units
>>> per acre.  Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be higher and
>>> others lower to make it average out.
>>>
>>> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts sells-out
>>> at the same time.  If they don't, i guess each developer will come up with
>>> their own design?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 units per acre (Gross)

[John Mendelson]

Apologies.  Thanks for the clarification.

John

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 8:16 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> John - “Gross” is the term applied to the formula applied for calculating
> the # of units allowing them to be averaged across the entire subdistrict.
>
> Rob A
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:47 PM John Mendelson 
> wrote:
>
>> I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put on by
>> FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town Meeting on
>> Saturday.  See:
>>
>> https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach
>>
>> This densely built, multi-family development is anything but "gross."  In
>> fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, represents the
>> best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative problem solving, and
>> honoring the town's history of supporting modern, human scale dwellings.
>>
>> Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've put so
>> much time in coming up with a terrific solution to both comply with the
>> Housing Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather than to
>> fearmonger with words and images that don't represent the good work and
>> intentions of many residents.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln?
>>> The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly NOT
>>> something I would like to see.
>>> Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the Above”,
>>> but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank the size of the
>>> S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall,  and maybe Lewis Street, and then
>>> include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the difference.
>>>
>>> Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the likes
>>> of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario?
>>>
>>> I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, and
>>> that is my concern.
>>>
>>> I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love with
>>> over 45 years ago.
>>> Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and intensity
>>> suggested is not what I would like to visit on  future generations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which provides an
>>> interactive map for viewing actual residential density for towns,
>>> neighborhoods, and individual parcels.
>>> https://residensity.mhp.net/
>>>
>>> Don Seltzer
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all -

 As we start to think about what this build out is going to look like,
 it is useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize it.  Also, I
 learned that density can be spread across a district or sub-district, only
 the average needs to be 15 units.  But with the 36' high maximum in town,
 it will be interesting to see what the designs are.


 https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density

 Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 units
 per acre.  Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be higher and
 others lower to make it average out.

 This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts
 sells-out at the same time.  If they don't, i guess each developer will
 come up with their own design?

 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 units per acre (Gross)

[Robert Ahlert]

This article explains it pretty well

*https://commonwealthmagazine.org/opinion/solving-the-mbta-communities-zoning-puzzle/

*

Not trying to scaremonger, only trying to add a dose of reality. This is
big.

Rob

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:17 PM John Mendelson 
wrote:

> Apologies.  Thanks for the clarification.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 8:16 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
>> John - “Gross” is the term applied to the formula applied for calculating
>> the # of units allowing them to be averaged across the entire subdistrict.
>>
>> Rob A
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:47 PM John Mendelson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put on by
>>> FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town Meeting on
>>> Saturday.  See:
>>>
>>> https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach
>>>
>>> This densely built, multi-family development is anything but "gross."
>>> In fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, represents the
>>> best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative problem solving, and
>>> honoring the town's history of supporting modern, human scale dwellings.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've put so
>>> much time in coming up with a terrific solution to both comply with the
>>> Housing Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather than to
>>> fearmonger with words and images that don't represent the good work and
>>> intentions of many residents.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>
 OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln?
 The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly NOT
 something I would like to see.
 Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the Above”,
 but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank the size of the
 S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall,  and maybe Lewis Street, and then
 include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the difference.

 Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the
 likes of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario?

 I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, and
 that is my concern.

 I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love with
 over 45 years ago.
 Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and intensity
 suggested is not what I would like to visit on  future generations.




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 On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer  wrote:

 There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which provides an
 interactive map for viewing actual residential density for towns,
 neighborhoods, and individual parcels.
 https://residensity.mhp.net/

 Don Seltzer

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert 
 wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look like,
> it is useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize it.  Also, I
> learned that density can be spread across a district or sub-district, only
> the average needs to be 15 units.  But with the 36' high maximum in town,
> it will be interesting to see what the designs are.
>
>
> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density
>
> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 units
> per acre.  Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be higher and
> others lower to make it average out.
>
> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts
> sells-out at the same time.  If they don't, i guess each developer will
> come up with their own design?
>
> 
>
> Rob
>
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[LincolnTalk] Ranking

[Fred Hopengarten]

Posted with no comment.
 
Source:
https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/these-are-top-25-school-districts-ma
ssachusetts-according-new-ranking/W2SIM4U7FBCSVCL54HRGXMUONI/?utm_campaign=t
rueanthem

&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1mMyLBVg1jGQxOJ-UQ7AMs
mZjfNr269yg_3lO01qnb0mGq4wF6avuciak
 
The top 25 school districts on Niche's list ranked as follows:
1.   Hopkinton Public Schools
2.   Weston Public Schools
3.   Brookline Public Schools
4.   Dover-Sherborn Regional School District
5.   Newton Public Schools
6.   Wellesley Public Schools
7.   Belmont Public Schools
8.   Wayland Public Schools
9.   Lexington Public Schools
10.Winchester Public Schools
11.Westboro Public Schools
12.Shrewsbury Public Schools
13.Westford Public Schools
14.Sharon Public Schools
15.Needham Public Schools
16.Westwood Public Schools
17.Harvard Public Schools
18.Amherst-Pelham Regional School District
19.Cambridge Public Schools
20.Bedford Public Schools
21.Acton-Boxboro Regional School District
22.Lynnfield Public Schools
23.Natick Public Schools
24.Medfield Public Schools
25.Duxbury Public Schools
 


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Has anyone successfully solved the woodpecker problem?

[Sara Mattes]

We have had the same in our mountain house in Colorado.
We hung an “owl” ( see Mass Audubon) and it did the trick!
Good luck.
Sars

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2023, at 8:14 PM, Allen Vander Meulen  
> wrote:
> 
> We had the same problem at our home.  Two things need to be done.  
> 
> First, eliminate what the woodpeckers are looking-for, most likely carpenter 
> ants.  woodpeckers can hear them through the wood, and will drill holes 
> there.  Our home is similar to yours, I think, with vertical siding: that 
> type of construction is prone to rot starting at the bottom corners of the 
> windows and running down from there underneath the siding - carpenter ants 
> love rotten and wet wood.
> 
> Second, discourage the birds with something “scary”.  In our case, we hung 
> old CD’S and DVD’S on strings about a foot apart, and dangled them over the 
> areas the birds were attacking.  It did the job.  I’ve been told that tin 
> foil also works well.
> 
> We had major woodpecker issues when we bought our home, 15 years ago.  Have 
> not had any issues for about 10 years now.
> 
> -Allen Vander Meulen
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 18:59, Stacey Parks  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Lincoln Talkers,
>> I am stymied! Woodpeckers are hammering holes in my beautiful home. There 
>> are plenty of dead trees for their picking/pecking near my house, but they 
>> are relentless in their abuse. Does anyone have a solution?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Stacey
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Ranking

[Sara Lupkas]

I'm not sure why Lincoln-Sudbury didn't make the list, and when I searched
on the niche website I couldn't find LS on that list of "best school
districts in MA" but when I searched for LS specifically, it came up as #15
on the list of "best public high schools in MA" (
https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-public-high-schools/s/massachusetts/).
I'm guessing that as a regional district that only has grades 9-12, the
data isn't comparable. The regional districts that DID make the top 25 have
more grades - Dover-Sherborn is grades 6-12, Amherst-Pelham is grades 7-12,
Acton-Boxborough is grades K-12. I also didn't see Concord-Carlisle
anywhere on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 PM Fred Hopengarten <
hopengar...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Posted with no comment.
>
>
>
> Source:
> https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/these-are-top-25-school-districts-massachusetts-according-new-ranking/W2SIM4U7FBCSVCL54HRGXMUONI/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1mMyLBVg1jGQxOJ-UQ7AMsmZjfNr269yg_3lO01qnb0mGq4wF6avuciak
>
>
>
> The top 25 school districts on Niche’s list ranked as follows:
>
> 1.   Hopkinton Public Schools
>
> 2.   Weston Public Schools
>
> 3.   Brookline Public Schools
>
> 4.   Dover-Sherborn Regional School District
>
> 5.   Newton Public Schools
>
> 6.   Wellesley Public Schools
>
> 7.   Belmont Public Schools
>
> 8.   Wayland Public Schools
>
> 9.   Lexington Public Schools
>
> 10.Winchester Public Schools
>
> 11.Westboro Public Schools
>
> 12.Shrewsbury Public Schools
>
> 13.Westford Public Schools
>
> 14.Sharon Public Schools
>
> 15.Needham Public Schools
>
> 16.Westwood Public Schools
>
> 17.Harvard Public Schools
>
> 18.Amherst-Pelham Regional School District
>
> 19.Cambridge Public Schools
>
> 20.Bedford Public Schools
>
> 21.Acton-Boxboro Regional School District
>
> 22.Lynnfield Public Schools
>
> 23.Natick Public Schools
>
> 24.Medfield Public Schools
>
> 25.Duxbury Public Schools
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center- size considerations

[Karla Gravis]

The analysis that was shared earlier on LT about test scores was not in
relation to LEAP. No one is trying to establish a relationship between LEAP
and test scores.


The analysis that was shared was in relation to the assertion that we can
only provide an equitable education if we have all this extra space.


Unfortunately, the tests scores show that even though we have more space
per pupil than our neighbors, our high-needs students show less growth than
the average of the state. Scores for our high-needs children have actually
dropped more than the state average since we moved into the new school.  I
have copied the relevant analysis below. Equitable education is very
important, but it doesn’t seem like having all this extra space is helping
us further that goal.


The analysis is not trying to show a tie between LEAP and academic
achievement.


No one is suggesting we host LEAP off campus. What we are asking for is for
a good faith effort to at least study the possibility of hosting LEAP in
the school and consider lowering the tax burden for our town. We have a
beautiful new school that sits empty in the afternoons. There should be a
happy medium between 100% shared space and 5000 square feet of dedicated
space in the school. It seems to me that with some ingenuity, we should be
able to retain what makes LEAP special, at a far lesser cost than $3.4M. We
are going to have to solve for this anyway if LEAP is going to reside in
the school during construction. At the very least, we owe ourselves to
study the possibility.


If Leap were in the school, the children would get easy access to the gym,
art rooms, playgrounds, other school activities like the play and music
classes, handicap-accessible restrooms and a modern HVAC system.


———-

Analysis previously shared:


Our high needs students exhibited average growth

in the 43th percentile and 46th percentile for the State MCAS in ELA and
Math respectively last school year, both unfortunately below the average
for high needs students in the State. Actually, since we moved into our new
school two years ago (one for elementary), high needs students MCAS scores
at the Lincoln School have dropped 8pp in ELA and 2pp Math, 6pp worse than
the average for high needs students in the State (-3pp in ELA, but +5pp in
Math). It does not seem that this extra space is yielding an equitable
education for all.



>
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> From: Philana Mia Gnatowski 
> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 13:48
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center- size considerations
> To: Peter Buchthal 
> CC: Listserv Listserv 
>
>
> Hello LT,
>
> I wanted to weigh in on this lively debate as both a former LEAP employee
> and as someone who grew up in Lincoln and chose to move back and raise her
> kids here. I believe that LEAP must remain in its own dedicated space on
> campus.
>
> In my experience as LEAP's middle school coordinator for 6 years, having
> our own building was extremely important for our day to day operations.
> Some have suggested that there is no overlap between the end of the school
> day and the beginning of LEAP's programming, but unless things have
> changed drastically, I do not believe this is the case. This is because the
> "start of day" for a LEAP teacher doesn't begin when the kids' school day
> ends. It starts with cleaning, set up and prep work for art projects or
> other activities. Having sufficient time and space to sit down with fellow
> teachers, without the children present, to discuss issues for the day is
> extremely important for both the quality of the programming and the staff's
> morale. It ensures that every staff member is on the same page and working
> as a cohesive unit to meet students' needs. From my understanding, the
> school building cannot accommodate this.
>
> Renting space off campus would drastically change the role LEAP plays
> facilitating students' other enrichment offerings. One of the many perks of
> being on the school campus is that LEAP staff also walk students to and
> from other after school activities. These kids don't have to miss out on
> gymnastics, theatre, tennis or music class. I remember my former boss
> saying to me that "we are very lucky to be able to rent a space on campus."
> Most private, non profit after school programs, like ours, don't operate on
> campus, requiring kids to be driven there. And once there, they stay there,
> until picked up by a caregiver.
>
> The idea proposed that there is no correlation between LEAP having its own
> building and improved academic scores among its students begs a deeper
> question: what are afterschool programs for? I have always believed that
> LEAP was more about social/emotional growth than academic outcomes. Does
> the program also support kids academically? Of course. I spent a lot of
> time helping students with their homework and empowering 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Ranking

[wayne vetrone]

These rankings are kind of silly.  There is really no difference between
any of the top 30-40 schools.

Your peer group will have a larger impact than your school will.



On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 10:12 PM Sara Lupkas  wrote:

> I'm not sure why Lincoln-Sudbury didn't make the list, and when I searched
> on the niche website I couldn't find LS on that list of "best school
> districts in MA" but when I searched for LS specifically, it came up as #15
> on the list of "best public high schools in MA" (
> https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-public-high-schools/s/massachusetts/).
> I'm guessing that as a regional district that only has grades 9-12, the
> data isn't comparable. The regional districts that DID make the top 25 have
> more grades - Dover-Sherborn is grades 6-12, Amherst-Pelham is grades 7-12,
> Acton-Boxborough is grades K-12. I also didn't see Concord-Carlisle
> anywhere on the list.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:05 PM Fred Hopengarten <
> hopengar...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>> Posted with no comment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Source:
>> https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/these-are-top-25-school-districts-massachusetts-according-new-ranking/W2SIM4U7FBCSVCL54HRGXMUONI/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1mMyLBVg1jGQxOJ-UQ7AMsmZjfNr269yg_3lO01qnb0mGq4wF6avuciak
>>
>>
>>
>> The top 25 school districts on Niche’s list ranked as follows:
>>
>> 1.   Hopkinton Public Schools
>>
>> 2.   Weston Public Schools
>>
>> 3.   Brookline Public Schools
>>
>> 4.   Dover-Sherborn Regional School District
>>
>> 5.   Newton Public Schools
>>
>> 6.   Wellesley Public Schools
>>
>> 7.   Belmont Public Schools
>>
>> 8.   Wayland Public Schools
>>
>> 9.   Lexington Public Schools
>>
>> 10.Winchester Public Schools
>>
>> 11.Westboro Public Schools
>>
>> 12.Shrewsbury Public Schools
>>
>> 13.Westford Public Schools
>>
>> 14.Sharon Public Schools
>>
>> 15.Needham Public Schools
>>
>> 16.Westwood Public Schools
>>
>> 17.Harvard Public Schools
>>
>> 18.Amherst-Pelham Regional School District
>>
>> 19.Cambridge Public Schools
>>
>> 20.Bedford Public Schools
>>
>> 21.Acton-Boxboro Regional School District
>>
>> 22.Lynnfield Public Schools
>>
>> 23.Natick Public Schools
>>
>> 24.Medfield Public Schools
>>
>> 25.Duxbury Public Schools
>>
>>
>>
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