Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

I would find it most interesting to see what the differences are between the 
previous round of SLES10/SLED10 that was pre-release.

Also, what might be the complications for mksles9root when dealing with a DVD 
Image?




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I got an email from the new CEO of Novell today (I didn't even know we
were acquainted) telling me that SLES10 and SLED10 are now GA.  They're
offering no cost evaluation downloads with 60 days of maintenance.

You can download either 4 CD images (5 CDs for midrange systems), or 1
DVD image.  (Nice!)

http://www.novell.com/products/server/eval.html
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nix, Robert P.]

Since it's a single image, you shouldn't have a need for something like 
mksles9root. Mount the iso image loop-back, and point the install there. It 
should be that simple. (To be tested today...)


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I would find it most interesting to see what the differences are between the 
previous round of SLES10/SLED10 that was pre-release.

Also, what might be the complications for mksles9root when dealing with a DVD 
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I got an email from the new CEO of Novell today (I didn't even know we
were acquainted) telling me that SLES10 and SLED10 are now GA.  They're
offering no cost evaluation downloads with 60 days of maintenance.

You can download either 4 CD images (5 CDs for midrange systems), or 1
DVD image.  (Nice!)

http://www.novell.com/products/server/eval.html
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html


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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for 
SLES-10/z?



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I got an email from the new CEO of Novell today (I didn't even know we
were acquainted) telling me that SLES10 and SLED10 are now GA.  They're
offering no cost evaluation downloads with 60 days of maintenance.

You can download either 4 CD images (5 CDs for midrange systems), or 1
DVD image.  (Nice!)

http://www.novell.com/products/server/eval.html
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html


Mark Post

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Michael MacIsaac]

> Also, what might be the complications for mksles9root when dealing with
a DVD Image?
No complications, no script needed!

It was good news to hear that SuSE has a DVD ISO image for SLES10.  Having
one should allow you to mount the ISO image loopback, point to it and
install.  There should not be a need for *any* directory structure.

The question is what will happen when SLES10 Service Pack 1 comes out.
When Red Hat puts out an "update" (service pack), you mount the new ISO
image(s) and they replace the old ones. However, SuSE has a different
approach: when a service pack is released, a directory structure must be
created so there is a tree of RPMs. Also the yast/order and yast/instorder
files have to be correct and the install process will choose the right
RPMs to install.  The SuSE approach allows for more possibilities, but the
Red Hat approach "keeps things as simple as possible".

I know a lot of people have complained to SuSE about the complexity of the
service pack structure and the number of ISO images. The DVD ISO image
should address the latter (if in fact one exists). Hopefully the former
will be addressed when SP1 comes out. With a DVD ISO image (max 9.1GB?),
perhaps the entire install tree/order/instorder structure can be in place.
Then you could just replace the SLES10 vanilla with the SLES10+SP1 ISO
image and the yast code that traverses the install tree could be left the
same. Just a thought ...

"Mike MacIsaac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   (845) 433-7061

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Leland Lucius]

Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a try
tonight for the heck of it.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Leland Lucius]

Anyone have a rough guess on how long vendors like IBM and Oracle will take to
certify their software on the new release?  Think they'll just wait until their
next releases to "declare" that it works?

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nix, Robert P.]

I'm talking to Novell right now. They may have the wrong file posted. I'll keep 
the list informed...


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I got an email from the new CEO of Novell today (I didn't even know we
were acquainted) telling me that SLES10 and SLED10 are now GA.  They're
offering no cost evaluation downloads with 60 days of maintenance.

You can download either 4 CD images (5 CDs for midrange systems), or 1
DVD image.  (Nice!)

http://www.novell.com/products/server/eval.html
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html


Mark Post

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nix, Robert P.]

The word from Novell is that they are now checking to see what the problem is, 
and will be placing a new ISO for the DVD on the site shortly. The gentleman I 
was speaking to said to wait about two hours and then try to download the file 
again, and to call him directly if there were still issues.


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I got an email from the new CEO of Novell today (I didn't even know we
were acquainted) telling me that SLES10 and SLED10 are now GA.  They're
offering no cost evaluation downloads with 60 days of maintenance.

You can download either 4 CD images (5 CDs for midrange systems), or 1
DVD image.  (Nice!)

http://www.novell.com/products/server/eval.html
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html


Mark Post

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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

Sadly the 'sanctioned' and 'approved' browser here is IE 6. Fortunately being 
in a technical position we're admins on our own machines, and I can
install things like Firefox. Which I did. Download proceeding normally.




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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[David Boyes]

ISVs have had the pre-GA release for several weeks, so it's probably a
matter of testing. 

(BTW, OpenAFS and our other goodies are supported on SLES10. You saw it
here first. 8-)) 


David Boyes
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> 
> Anyone have a rough guess on how long vendors like IBM and Oracle will
> take to
> certify their software on the new release?  Think they'll just wait
until
> their
> next releases to "declare" that it works?

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Little, Chris]

At the Oracle on z/Series SIG, they asked if it would be worthwhile for them
to begin certification.  The majority said they wouldn't be moving to SLES
10 at release.

We have a policy in our shop of waiting until the first service pack before
putting an OS into production.

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> Anyone have a rough guess on how long vendors like IBM and
> Oracle will take to certify their software on the new
> release?  Think they'll just wait until their next releases
> to "declare" that it works?
>
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Ihno Krumreich]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:22:38AM -0400, Michael MacIsaac wrote:
> > Also, what might be the complications for mksles9root when dealing with
> a DVD Image?
> No complications, no script needed!
> 
> It was good news to hear that SuSE has a DVD ISO image for SLES10.  Having
> one should allow you to mount the ISO image loopback, point to it and
> install.  There should not be a need for *any* directory structure.
> 

There is no need.

If you take the CDs just copy or loopback mount them to CD1 to CD4
and install.

> The question is what will happen when SLES10 Service Pack 1 comes out.
> When Red Hat puts out an "update" (service pack), you mount the new ISO
> image(s) and they replace the old ones. However, SuSE has a different
> approach: when a service pack is released, a directory structure must be
> created so there is a tree of RPMs. Also the yast/order and yast/instorder
> files have to be correct and the install process will choose the right
> RPMs to install.  The SuSE approach allows for more possibilities, but the
> Red Hat approach "keeps things as simple as possible".

The service pack is an additional installation source. So it is
a different path with CD1 to CDx.

> 
> I know a lot of people have complained to SuSE about the complexity of the
> service pack structure and the number of ISO images. The DVD ISO image
> should address the latter (if in fact one exists). Hopefully the former
> will be addressed when SP1 comes out. With a DVD ISO image (max 9.1GB?),
> perhaps the entire install tree/order/instorder structure can be in place.
> Then you could just replace the SLES10 vanilla with the SLES10+SP1 ISO
> image and the yast code that traverses the install tree could be left the
> same. Just a thought ...

I will keep this in mind. Its basicly a problem how big SP1 will be.

Best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Michael MacIsaac]

Inho,

> The service pack is an additional installation source. So it is
> a different path with CD1 to CDx.
OK, so I assume there will be a need for a similar tree structure as with
SLES9.  Could SuSE supply a script to build the tree and the yast/order
and yast/instorder files?  That would be very useful for the community,
and it will be written better than I could do.  Thanks for considering
this request.

> I will keep this in mind.
Thanks for that too.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

IF anyone has that list of browser warnings, could you posit it to the list? I 
could not make it re-appear.

Granted IE is not the worlds greatest browser, but it IS what a lot of folken 
are stuck with in the enterprise environment.





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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Marcy Cortes]

I was just there:

 You may have difficulty downloading large files including DVD ISOs,
depending upon your browser or download manager. For best results, you
should use Mozilla Firefox 1.5 or later. If you use a download manager,
your browser version will not be a factor. Make sure you're using the
latest version of your download manager and that it supports large
files. For example, if you use wget, it must be version 1.10 or later.

Note: The following browsers are some of those that are unable to
download files that are larger than 2GB-

* Firefox versions earlier than 1.5 (downloads 2GB then quits)
* Internet Explorer 6 or earlier (fails to start download)
* Internet Explorer 7 Beta (fails to start download)
* wget version earlier than 1.10 (downloads 2GB then quits)


Love it!  Finally someone is saying don't use IE instead of must use IE.

Cool.



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IF anyone has that list of browser warnings, could you posit it to the
list? I could not make it re-appear.

Granted IE is not the worlds greatest browser, but it IS what a lot of
folken are stuck with in the enterprise environment.





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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image
for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be
hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a
try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Marcy Cortes]

Since they mention wget, it there a direct link anyone has figure out
for the download?  I'd rather go straight to my Linux server than down
to my PC and back up. 


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I was just there:

 You may have difficulty downloading large files including DVD ISOs,
depending upon your browser or download manager. For best results, you
should use Mozilla Firefox 1.5 or later. If you use a download manager,
your browser version will not be a factor. Make sure you're using the
latest version of your download manager and that it supports large
files. For example, if you use wget, it must be version 1.10 or later.

Note: The following browsers are some of those that are unable to
download files that are larger than 2GB-

* Firefox versions earlier than 1.5 (downloads 2GB then quits)
* Internet Explorer 6 or earlier (fails to start download)
* Internet Explorer 7 Beta (fails to start download)
* wget version earlier than 1.10 (downloads 2GB then quits)


Love it!  Finally someone is saying don't use IE instead of must use IE.

Cool.



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IF anyone has that list of browser warnings, could you posit it to the
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Granted IE is not the worlds greatest browser, but it IS what a lot of
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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image
for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be
hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a
try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

Hmm.  IE 6 started it fine but stopped at 208 MB. Firefox 1.5.0.4 started it 
but crapped out at 2 gigs.

I have cygwin installed so I'll try a WGET.




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I was just there:

 You may have difficulty downloading large files including DVD ISOs,
depending upon your browser or download manager. For best results, you
should use Mozilla Firefox 1.5 or later. If you use a download manager,
your browser version will not be a factor. Make sure you're using the
latest version of your download manager and that it supports large
files. For example, if you use wget, it must be version 1.10 or later.

Note: The following browsers are some of those that are unable to
download files that are larger than 2GB-

* Firefox versions earlier than 1.5 (downloads 2GB then quits)
* Internet Explorer 6 or earlier (fails to start download)
* Internet Explorer 7 Beta (fails to start download)
* wget version earlier than 1.10 (downloads 2GB then quits)


Love it!  Finally someone is saying don't use IE instead of must use IE.

Cool.



Marcy Cortes


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IF anyone has that list of browser warnings, could you posit it to the
list? I could not make it re-appear.

Granted IE is not the worlds greatest browser, but it IS what a lot of
folken are stuck with in the enterprise environment.





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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image
for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be
hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a
try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Dominic Coulombe]

On 7/18/06, Marcy Cortes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Since they mention wget, it there a direct link anyone has figure out
for the download?





SLES-10-IBM zSeries-DVD1.iso
http://xlfiles.novell.com/prot/0SF2mutIxKc~/SLES-10-IBM%20zSeries-DVD1.iso

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

I've been having very mixed results with wget and curl.  Most of the
time, I get a 401 error (authentication failed).  But, not all the time,
which is making me a little crazier than usual.  If you click on the
"how to use a download manager" link (which doesn't _look_ like a link)
below the list of files to download, it will open up a window with
instructions on how to use wget:
To download a single file:

* From the download site, right click the file you wish to download
and select copy link location. ( URL example :
http://download.novell.com/sendredirect?target=%2Fprot%2FrBCpI6NeYdo%7E%
2FSUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso&buildid=rBCpI6NeYdo~&fileid=5zkJctTtHwY~&mi
rror=ProvoHost )
* Depending on the download type, a login may be required. Most file
downloads will require a Novell Account but free files like the Novell
Client will not.
* In the terminal window enter the following substituting your
Novell Account username and password and the URL you copied :
* wget --http-user=username --http-pass=password 'DownloadURL'
* Please note that the download URL must be wrapped in single quotes
* Press enter
* The file will begin to download.


Mark Post 

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Since they mention wget, it there a direct link anyone has figure out
for the download?  I'd rather go straight to my Linux server than down
to my PC and back up. 


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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

Also, download via LYNX fails at the 2 gig marker also.




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I was just there:

 You may have difficulty downloading large files including DVD ISOs,
depending upon your browser or download manager. For best results, you
should use Mozilla Firefox 1.5 or later. If you use a download manager,
your browser version will not be a factor. Make sure you're using the
latest version of your download manager and that it supports large
files. For example, if you use wget, it must be version 1.10 or later.

Note: The following browsers are some of those that are unable to
download files that are larger than 2GB-

* Firefox versions earlier than 1.5 (downloads 2GB then quits)
* Internet Explorer 6 or earlier (fails to start download)
* Internet Explorer 7 Beta (fails to start download)
* wget version earlier than 1.10 (downloads 2GB then quits)


Love it!  Finally someone is saying don't use IE instead of must use IE.

Cool.



Marcy Cortes


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Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SLES10 GA

IF anyone has that list of browser warnings, could you posit it to the
list? I could not make it re-appear.

Granted IE is not the worlds greatest browser, but it IS what a lot of
folken are stuck with in the enterprise environment.





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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image
for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be
hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a
try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: WBEM-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: apparmor-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: apparmor-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: base-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: base-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: ccb-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: ccb-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: default-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: dhcp_dns_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: dhcp_dns_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: directory_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: directory_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: file_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: file_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: gateway_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: gateway_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: gnome-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: gnome-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: ha_sles-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: ha_sles-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: kde-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: kde-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: lamp_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: lamp_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: mail_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: mail_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: print_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: print_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: sap_server-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: sap_server-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: x11-10-51.20.s390x.pat
suse/setup/descr: x11-32bit-10-51.20.s390x.pat


Mark Post

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I would find it most interesting to see what the differences are between
the previous round of SLES10/SLED10 that was pre-release.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Levy, Alan]

Does s390x mean that they only have a GA for the 64 bit version of sles
10 ? What about the 32 bit version ?


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The following files were updated (among others).  The ChangeLog might
give you more real information.

ARCHIVES.gz
ChangeLog
INDEX.gz
NEWS
README
boot/s390x/cd.ikr
boot/s390x/initrd
boot/s390x/initrd.siz
boot/s390x/rescue
boot/s390x/root
boot/s390x/root.fonts
boot/s390x/tapeipl.ikr
boot/s390x/vmrdr.ikr
content
content.asc
docu/RELEASE-NOTES.en.html
docu/RELEASE-NOTES.en.rtf
docu/RELEASE-NOTES.en.txt
ls-lR.gz
suse/noarch: autoyast2-2.13.69-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: autoyast2-installation-2.13.69-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: autoyast2-utils-2.13.69-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: desktop-data-NLD-10.1-31.10.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: suseRegister-1.0-63.6.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: susehelp-2006.06.20-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: susehelp_de-2006.06.20-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: susehelp_en-2006.06.20-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-installation-2.13.132.4-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-ldap-client-2.13.17-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-online-update-2.13.43-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-online-update-frontend-2.13.43-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-repair-2.13.7-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-samba-client-2.13.22-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-cs-2.13.32-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-de-2.13.28-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-es-2.13.24-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-fi-2.13.20-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-fr-2.13.24-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-hu-2.13.36-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-it-2.13.20-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-ja-2.13.20-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-ko-2.13.11-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-pa-2.13.5-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-pt_BR-2.13.14-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-sk-2.13.12-0.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-zh_CN-2.13.20-1.2.noarch.rpm
suse/noarch: yast2-trans-zh_TW-2.13.18-1.2.noarch.rpm

suse/s390x: CheckHardware-0.1-988.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: MozillaFirefox-1.5.0.4-1.9.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: MozillaFirefox-translations-1.5.0.4-1.9.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: NetworkManager-0.6.2-32.36.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: NetworkManager-devel-0.6.2-32.36.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: NetworkManager-glib-0.6.2-32.36.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: NetworkManager-gnome-0.6.2-32.36.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: atftp-0.7.0-1.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: bootsplash-theme-SuSE-SLES-3.1-69.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: cloop-kmp-default-2.01_2.6.16.21_0.8-22.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: control-center2-2.12.2-62.14.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: control-center2-devel-2.12.2-62.14.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: cpint-kmp-default-2.5.3_2.6.16.21_0.8-3.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: drbd-kmp-default-0.7.18_2.6.16.21_0.8-3.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: evolution-data-server-1.6.0-43.20.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: evolution-data-server-32bit-1.6.0-43.20.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: evolution-data-server-devel-1.6.0-43.20.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: gedit-2.12.1-28.10.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: gnome-main-menu-0.6.1-0.6.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: gnome-power-manager-2.14.0-25.10.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: kdebase3-NLD-10.1-51.18.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: kernel-default-2.6.16.21-0.8.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: kernel-source-2.6.16.21-0.8.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: kernel-syms-2.6.16.21-0.8.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: kexec-tools-1.101-32.14.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: ksh-93r-12.9.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: ksh-devel-93r-12.9.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: libbeagle-0.2.3-40.30.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: libbeagle-32bit-0.2.3-40.30.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: libzypp-1.2.0-1.21.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: libzypp-devel-1.2.0-1.21.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.45.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: linuxrc-2.0.46-0.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: majordomo-1.94.5-324.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: mc-4.6.1-34.5.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: multipath-tools-0.4.6-25.8.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: mutt-1.5.9i-27.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: nautilus-share-0.6.4-31.8.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: nfs-utils-1.0.7-36.10.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: perl-Bootloader-0.2.25-0.6.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: release-notes-sles-10-43.24.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: rug-7.1.1.0-18.23.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: sapinit-1.1-9.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: tcsh-6.14.00-23.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: util-linux-2.12r-35.6.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: wget-1.10.2-15.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: xntp-4.2.0a-70.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: xntp-doc-4.2.0a-70.4.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-2.13.64.1-0.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-bootfloppy-2.13.75-0.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-bootloader-2.13.75-0.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-devel-2.13.64.1-0.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-ncurses-2.13.40-1.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-packager-2.13.139-1.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: yast2-pkg-bindings-2.13.88-1.2.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: zen-updater-7.1.0-51.28.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: zmd-7.1.1.0-39.49.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: zmd-devel-7.1.1.0-39.49.s390x.rpm
suse/s390x: zmd

Re: SLES10 GA

[Tom Duerbusch]

There are many filesystems out there, that have a 2 GB limit for a
file.

If you are planning on using the DVD version, make sure the file system
you are loading to, doesn't have this limit.

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
Been there, done that.  tar files and 2 GB limit.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2006 12:54 PM >>>
Also, download via LYNX fails at the 2 gig marker also.




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I was just there:

 You may have difficulty downloading large files including DVD ISOs,
depending upon your browser or download manager. For best results, you
should use Mozilla Firefox 1.5 or later. If you use a download
manager,
your browser version will not be a factor. Make sure you're using the
latest version of your download manager and that it supports large
files. For example, if you use wget, it must be version 1.10 or later.

Note: The following browsers are some of those that are unable to
download files that are larger than 2GB-

* Firefox versions earlier than 1.5 (downloads 2GB then quits)
* Internet Explorer 6 or earlier (fails to start download)
* Internet Explorer 7 Beta (fails to start download)
* wget version earlier than 1.10 (downloads 2GB then quits)


Love it!  Finally someone is saying don't use IE instead of must use
IE.

Cool.



Marcy Cortes


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Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SLES10 GA

IF anyone has that list of browser warnings, could you posit it to the
list? I could not make it re-appear.

Granted IE is not the worlds greatest browser, but it IS what a lot of
folken are stuck with in the enterprise environment.





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Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image
for
> SLES-10/z?
>
Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be
hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a
try
tonight for the heck of it.

Leland

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

There isn't going to be one.  Just s390x.


Mark Post 

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Does s390x mean that they only have a GA for the 64 bit version of sles
10 ? What about the 32 bit version ?

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Re: SLES10 GA

[David Boyes]

There isn't one. SLES10 is 64-bit only. 

David Boyes
Sine Nomine Associates

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> Does s390x mean that they only have a GA for the 64 bit version of
sles
> 10 ? What about the 32 bit version ?

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Paul Giordano]

Another interesting thing that shows up is the statement on the download
page:

"SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Evaluation version requires an Activation Code
for access to product updates. The Activation Code is valid for 180 days,
and does not include access to Novell Support services. Click the
following button to receive your activation code. Make note of the code,
then click the link under Download Media to return to the download site."

However, the email that is delivered after the activation button is
clicked states:

"Thank you for trying SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 from Novell. Your
free evaluation software comes complete with 60 days of online updates."

I have sent a request for clarification back to Novell.

Paul Giordano
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Dominic Coulombe]

If I'm right, the evaluation period is the time you can download patches
from the Novell site.  The Linux machine will continue to run / boot past
the timeout, but without updates.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Marcy Cortes]

Did you find a wget 1.10 or later somewhere?  My sles9x seems to have
1.9. 


Marcy Cortes

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I've been having very mixed results with wget and curl.  Most of the
time, I get a 401 error (authentication failed).  But, not all the time,
which is making me a little crazier than usual.  If you click on the
"how to use a download manager" link (which doesn't _look_ like a link)
below the list of files to download, it will open up a window with
instructions on how to use wget:
To download a single file:

* From the download site, right click the file you wish to download
and select copy link location. ( URL example :
http://download.novell.com/sendredirect?target=%2Fprot%2FrBCpI6NeYdo%7E%
2FSUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso&buildid=rBCpI6NeYdo~&fileid=5zkJctTtHwY~&mi
rror=ProvoHost )
* Depending on the download type, a login may be required. Most file
downloads will require a Novell Account but free files like the Novell
Client will not.
* In the terminal window enter the following substituting your
Novell Account username and password and the URL you copied :
* wget --http-user=username --http-pass=password 'DownloadURL'
* Please note that the download URL must be wrapped in single quotes
* Press enter
* The file will begin to download.


Mark Post 

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Since they mention wget, it there a direct link anyone has figure out
for the download?  I'd rather go straight to my Linux server than down
to my PC and back up. 


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


Mark Post 

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Did you find a wget 1.10 or later somewhere?  My sles9x seems to have
1.9. 


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

Yes, that is correct.  But, with all the security updates I've been
seeing coming out this year, having maintenance is getting more and more
important all the time.


Mark Post 

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If I'm right, the evaluation period is the time you can download patches
from the Novell site.  The Linux machine will continue to run / boot
past
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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file system limit.




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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


Mark Post

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Did you find a wget 1.10 or later somewhere?  My sles9x seems to have
1.9.


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Re: SLES10 GA

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Then you must be running a fairly old version of Windows.  Win2k and
WinXP both have large file support.  My problems with wget have been
getting HTTP 401 errors, not file size limits.


Mark Post 

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I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file
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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

From: "Levy, Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Does s390x mean that they only have a GA for the 64 bit version
> of sles 10 ? What about the 32 bit version ?

Alan:

There will be NO further 31-bit (32-bit) distros (the s390
versions) for the mainframe. IBM announced months ago that from
now on only "patches" for the s390x (64-bit) would be made
available for new Linux kernel levels. Thus, both SLES10 and
RHEL5 will be 64-bit only, but they will support 31-bit
applications.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Adam Thornton]

On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Jim Elliott wrote:


From: "Levy, Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Does s390x mean that they only have a GA for the 64 bit version
of sles 10 ? What about the 32 bit version ?


Alan:

There will be NO further 31-bit (32-bit) distros (the s390
versions) for the mainframe. IBM announced months ago that from
now on only "patches" for the s390x (64-bit) would be made
available for new Linux kernel levels. Thus, both SLES10 and
RHEL5 will be 64-bit only, but they will support 31-bit
applications.


Debian will continue to support 31-bit.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

As will Slack/390, as long as 31-bit kernels will continue to build.


Mark Post 

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On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Jim Elliott wrote:

> From: "Levy, Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Does s390x mean that they only have a GA for the 64 bit version
>> of sles 10 ? What about the 32 bit version ?
>
> Alan:
>
> There will be NO further 31-bit (32-bit) distros (the s390
> versions) for the mainframe. IBM announced months ago that from
> now on only "patches" for the s390x (64-bit) would be made
> available for new Linux kernel levels. Thus, both SLES10 and
> RHEL5 will be 64-bit only, but they will support 31-bit
> applications.

Debian will continue to support 31-bit.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Dominic Coulombe]

Of course, you don't want to put an unmaintained server on the net...


On 18-Jul-2006, at 17:19, Post, Mark K wrote:


Yes, that is correct.  But, with all the security updates I've been
seeing coming out this year, having maintenance is getting more and
more
important all the time.


Mark Post


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Rob van der Heij]

On 7/18/06, Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There will be NO further 31-bit (32-bit) distros (the s390
versions) for the mainframe. IBM announced months ago that from
now on only "patches" for the s390x (64-bit) would be made


I believe you were corrected on this already before? The patches from
IBM are already for quite some time against a single source tree that
produces both the s390 and s390x kernels depending on your config
options. When the folks in Boeblingen don't try compilation for s390
and don't test it on 32-bit anymore, we can expect some more problems
in that area. I have seen such things already with dependencies on new
hardware that can not be fully configured out.

As long as you have modern hardware, running the 64-bit distribution
will only cost you some extra memory, CPU cycles and disk space. That
does make it a bit harder to get a business case for a solution that
exploits Linux virtualization on z/VM. And it allows for bigger
mistakes to be made. With z/VM 5.2 several of the restrictions for
Linux in 64-bit mode have been removed. The way SuSE were shipping
their 32-bit packages for the 64-bit distribution was a royal PITA but
they may be able to fix that when they only have 64-bit for SLES10.

IMHO this is similar to the decision not to test non-SMP kernels
(although I am convinced the majority of Linux servers on the
mainframe will have only one virtual CPU). Since some time you cannot
compile SMP=n anymore without patching things yourself, and it's not
obvious to me that kernel would take fully advantage of the fact. No
surprise the distributors only provide SMP kernels.

Rob

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Cornelia Huck]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:36:22 +0200,
Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When the folks in Boeblingen don't try compilation for s390
> and don't test it on 32-bit anymore, we can expect some more problems
> in that area. I have seen such things already with dependencies on new
> hardware that can not be fully configured out.

Please holler if you see something like that. We usually don't want to
break older hardware on purpose :)

> Since some time you cannot
> compile SMP=n anymore without patching things yourself,

Could you please elaborate? Current git just compiled fine with SMP=n
for me.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Carsten Otte]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:36:22 +0200,
Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When the folks in Boeblingen don't try compilation for s390
> and don't test it on 32-bit anymore, we can expect some more problems
> in that area. I have seen such things already with dependencies on new
> hardware that can not be fully configured out.
Where do you get your information from? In fact, we do build 31bit
code every night and that we do regression test on 31bit for every
single item and feature at every single code drop to developerworks.
G5 and up are supported, as has always been.

Would you point to your source of information?
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Rob van der Heij]

On 7/19/06, Carsten Otte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> When the folks in Boeblingen don't try compilation for s390
> and don't test it on 32-bit anymore, we can expect some more problems
> in that area. I have seen such things already with dependencies on new
> hardware that can not be fully configured out.



Where do you get your information from? In fact, we do build 31bit
code every night and that we do regression test on 31bit for every
single item and feature at every single code drop to developerworks.
G5 and up are supported, as has always been.

Would you point to your source of information?


It's probably even warmer in Germany than here to make you jump up like that ;-)

My paragraph started with "when" ...   If professional demand for
other than 64-bit becomes less because software vendors have no
distribution to certify against, then there will be less pressure to
assure the 31-bit still works. At some point that becomes less
important than other things.

I am pleased to hear that the current source does compile with
CONFIG_SMP=n. I like to be corrected on bad news. There have been
times where it did not compile. I had similar trouble with the
CONFIG_CHSC=n and I have little other means than you and your
colleagues to tell me that is undocumented part of the G5 level.

We've been hearing this "why care about 31-bit now that 64-bit works"
for some time now, including less clear announcements from IBM SWG. If
Jim is getting the message that IBM does not do 31-bit Linux for
zSeries, then others are probably getting that same message. It would
be helpful to get that right somewhere near the source.

Rob

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nico Potgieter]

HI All

Any idea or reason why the DVD is so big .. in total over 4 Gig and the
total of the cd's is just over 2 GIG ..

Nico Potgieter
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Neale Ferguson]

It has the bonus features: commentary by the developers. The bloopers
section is hysterical! The XXX section is worth looking at too: loved seeing
Torvalds examining the SRDL instruction and getting a bit on the side.

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Any idea or reason why the DVD is so big .. in total over 4 Gig and the
total of the cd's is just over 2 GIG ..

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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

I'm running XP, so the behavioir - cutting out at 2 GB. I'm using wget under 
cygwin - version 1.10.2 halted on the DVD image at 2 GB. As for the
reason? Unclear. 14.6 GB free on that drive. I'm not aware of our network folk 
halting data transfers above a certain size but I will look into that.




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Then you must be running a fairly old version of Windows.  Win2k and
WinXP both have large file support.  My problems with wget have been
getting HTTP 401 errors, not file size limits.


Mark Post

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I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file
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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Dave Jones]

Hi, gang.

I have successfully downloaded the 4Gb DVD *iso file, using Windows XP
("Media Center Edition, SP2", whatever that really means...) and the new
beta version of Mozilla FireFox, 2.0b. It took awhile for the file to
come down the line, but it appears to be complete and intact.

DJ

James Melin wrote:

I'm running XP, so the behavioir - cutting out at 2 GB. I'm using wget under 
cygwin - version 1.10.2 halted on the DVD image at 2 GB. As for the
reason? Unclear. 14.6 GB free on that drive. I'm not aware of our network folk 
halting data transfers above a certain size but I will look into that.




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Then you must be running a fairly old version of Windows.  Win2k and
WinXP both have large file support.  My problems with wget have been
getting HTTP 401 errors, not file size limits.


Mark Post

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I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file
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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[David Boyes]

> It has the bonus features: commentary by the developers. The bloopers
> section is hysterical! The XXX section is worth looking at too: loved
> seeing
> Torvalds examining the SRDL instruction and getting a bit on the side.

With soundtrack cameos by Philip Glass, Arnold Schoenberg, and Bix
Biederbecke. 

A classic. Joe Bob Phillips sez check it out. 

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Fargusson.Alan]

There are a couple of things that might have gone wrong.  If anyone would cares 
to check this out I would like to know a couple of things.

1. Does cygwin support large files?  Note that this requires support in the 
runtime libraries and include files.  It might be that cygwin does not support 
large files even though Windows does.

2. Did the configure step recognize that cywin supports large files?  It might 
be that the config script for wget didn't recognize that cygwin supported large 
files and didn't compile with large file support.

3. It might be that the source for wget needs ifdefs for cygwin.  I don't know 
the build process for wget.

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I'm running XP, so the behavioir - cutting out at 2 GB. I'm using wget under 
cygwin - version 1.10.2 halted on the DVD image at 2 GB. As for the
reason? Unclear. 14.6 GB free on that drive. I'm not aware of our network folk 
halting data transfers above a certain size but I will look into that.




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Then you must be running a fairly old version of Windows.  Win2k and
WinXP both have large file support.  My problems with wget have been
getting HTTP 401 errors, not file size limits.


Mark Post

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I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file
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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Adam Thornton]

On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Neale Ferguson wrote:


It has the bonus features: commentary by the developers. The bloopers
section is hysterical! The XXX section is worth looking at too:
loved seeing
Torvalds examining the SRDL instruction and getting a bit on the side.


Someone needs to submit *this* to the guy who writes "Everybody Loves
Eric Raymond."

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Jay Maynard]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 08:31:57AM -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Neale Ferguson wrote:
> >It has the bonus features: commentary by the developers. The bloopers
> >section is hysterical! The XXX section is worth looking at too:
> >loved seeing
> >Torvalds examining the SRDL instruction and getting a bit on the side.
> Someone needs to submit *this* to the guy who writes "Everybody Loves
> Eric Raymond."

There's a wiki, and he gets ideas from it.
http://johnleach.co.uk/wiki/EverybodyLovesEricRaymond
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

The DVD has all the source RPMs on it.  The CD images do not.


Mark Post 

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HI All

Any idea or reason why the DVD is so big .. in total over 4 Gig and the
total of the cd's is just over 2 GIG ..

Nico Potgieter
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Fuzzy Logic]

Inline.

On 7/19/06, Fargusson.Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There are a couple of things that might have gone wrong.  If anyone would cares 
to check this out I would like to know a couple of things.

1. Does cygwin support large files?  Note that this requires support in the 
runtime libraries and include files.  It might be that cygwin does not support 
large files even though Windows does.


Yes. I wrote a little snippet which used fwrite to write a 6 GB file
with no problems.


2. Did the configure step recognize that cywin supports large files?  It might 
be that the config script for wget didn't recognize that cygwin supported large 
files and didn't compile with large file support.


Yes, it did recognize the large file support. The configure script
assumes you want large file support if possible and discovers:

checking for special C compiler options needed for large files... no
checking for _FILE_OFFSET_BITS value needed for large files... no
checking for _LARGE_FILES value needed for large files... no
...
checking for _LARGEFILE_SOURCE value needed for large files... no

and it appears the wget code does then allow for large files.


3. It might be that the source for wget needs ifdefs for cygwin.  I don't know 
the build process for wget.


It detected it was running under Cygwin from the get-go and was happy
to compile there.

Fuzzy

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Re: SLES10 GA

[O'Brien, Dennis L]

The FAT32 file system has a limit of either 2GB or 4GB per file.  I
forget which.  The NTFS file system has a much higher limit.  I don't
know how high it goes, but I've used 60GB on NTFS partitions with no
trouble.  Check your partition to see which file system it's formatted
for.


Dennis

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and those that don't.


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I'm running XP, so the behavioir - cutting out at 2 GB. I'm using wget
under cygwin - version 1.10.2 halted on the DVD image at 2 GB. As for
the
reason? Unclear. 14.6 GB free on that drive. I'm not aware of our
network folk halting data transfers above a certain size but I will look
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Then you must be running a fairly old version of Windows.  Win2k and
WinXP both have large file support.  My problems with wget have been
getting HTTP 401 errors, not file size limits.


Mark Post

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I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file
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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

NTFS is what the machine says it has. Again watching Firefox 2 beta, 2 gig 
line, transfer stops




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The FAT32 file system has a limit of either 2GB or 4GB per file.  I
forget which.  The NTFS file system has a much higher limit.  I don't
know how high it goes, but I've used 60GB on NTFS partitions with no
trouble.  Check your partition to see which file system it's formatted
for.


Dennis

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and those that don't.


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I'm running XP, so the behavioir - cutting out at 2 GB. I'm using wget
under cygwin - version 1.10.2 halted on the DVD image at 2 GB. As for
the
reason? Unclear. 14.6 GB free on that drive. I'm not aware of our
network folk halting data transfers above a certain size but I will look
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Then you must be running a fairly old version of Windows.  Win2k and
WinXP both have large file support.  My problems with wget have been
getting HTTP 401 errors, not file size limits.


Mark Post

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I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file
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I was trying to download from one of my Slackware machines, or from my
Windows system with Cygwin on it.  They all have 1.10.2 installed.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[John Summerfield]

James Melin wrote:

I was using cygwin on windex as well and hit the 2 GB windoze file system limit.


What filesystem are you using? I thought NTFS to be fine, but I've not
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Re: SLES10 GA

[John Summerfield]

Ihno Krumreich wrote:

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:22:38AM -0400, Michael MacIsaac wrote:


Also, what might be the complications for mksles9root when dealing with


a DVD Image?
No complications, no script needed!

It was good news to hear that SuSE has a DVD ISO image for SLES10.  Having
one should allow you to mount the ISO image loopback, point to it and
install.  There should not be a need for *any* directory structure.




There is no need.

If you take the CDs just copy or loopback mount them to CD1 to CD4
and install.



I didn't think it quite that simple, but SUSE has a script (bare and as
an rpm) that one can use to create a DVD-sized image from CDs.

As for size, I'm not sure there _is_ a size limit, except when you want
to burn it. Neither does one have to use and ISO filesystem, EXT2 on CD
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Re: SLES10 GA

[John Summerfield]

Leland Lucius wrote:

Quoting James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for
SLES-10/z?



Did ya catch the warnings about the browser versions?  You might be hitting that
I reckon.  They didn't mention Safari, so I'm going to give that one a try
tonight for the heck of it.


seamoney should work, see mozilla.org/projects.

I set to with Konqueror, but I don't know yet whether it worked. At
least i's not known bad.


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Dominic Coulombe]

Maximum single file size are the following :
FAT16: 2GiB
FAT32: 4GiB
NTFS: 16EiB

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Limits for more
of them.



On 7/19/06, O'Brien, Dennis L  wrote:


The FAT32 file system has a limit of either 2GB or 4GB per file.  I
forget which.  The NTFS file system has a much higher limit.  I don't
know how high it goes, but I've used 60GB on NTFS partitions with no
trouble.  Check your partition to see which file system it's formatted
for.



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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

I've pretty much decided that the culprit is my company's firewalls.  I
can use my browser to transfer files larger than 2GB from other systems
inside the firewall, but if I try to pull anything that large from the
internet, the transfer dies at 2GB.


Mark Post 

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NTFS is what the machine says it has. Again watching Firefox 2 beta, 2
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Re: SLES10 GA

[John Summerfield]

Marcy Cortes wrote:

I was just there:

 You may have difficulty downloading large files including DVD ISOs,
depending upon your browser or download manager. For best results, you
should use Mozilla Firefox 1.5 or later. If you use a download manager,
your browser version will not be a factor. Make sure you're using the
latest version of your download manager and that it supports large
files. For example, if you use wget, it must be version 1.10 or later.



I couldn't get an URL for wget (to download IA32).


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Dennis Andrews]

Yes, three times on a win/xp system with Firefox 1.5. Finally
succeeded on a win2k system with Firefox 1.5. Both systems were
downloading to an NTFS file system.

Dennis Andrews
Velocity Software.


Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for =
SLES-10/z?

Domenico Fofi


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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

I am arriving at a similar conclusion. Firewall goddess is out until tomorrow 
so I will confirm then. There was a known large file issue before but
specifically was addressed as an ftp issue. If I find anything useful, I will 
let you know.




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I've pretty much decided that the culprit is my company's firewalls.  I
can use my browser to transfer files larger than 2GB from other systems
inside the firewall, but if I try to pull anything that large from the
internet, the transfer dies at 2GB.


Mark Post

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NTFS is what the machine says it has. Again watching Firefox 2 beta, 2
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Re: SLES10 GA

[John Summerfield]

Nico Potgieter wrote:

HI All

Any idea or reason why the DVD is so big .. in total over 4 Gig and the
total of the cd's is just over 2 GIG ..


Perhaps it has source?


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Re: SLES10 GA

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Post, Mark K wrote:

I've pretty much decided that the culprit is my company's firewalls.  I
can use my browser to transfer files larger than 2GB from other systems
inside the firewall, but if I try to pull anything that large from the
internet, the transfer dies at 2GB.


Is there a transparent proxy in the line?

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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

Finally got the thing to download using Konqueror on a SLES-9 Intel server I 
have in the data center. The problem appears to be our IP phones. Phone
goes in the wall, computer net cable plugs into the phone.  According to the 
network folks, our IP phones act like  switches with a quality of service
control. Sustained data transfer of an hour or so is frowned upon. That's the 
story they're trying to sell me. I'm going to transfer the image to this
machine now to see what happens.

Now to find some DVD media so I can have a backup.





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> I've pretty much decided that the culprit is my company's firewalls.  I
> can use my browser to transfer files larger than 2GB from other systems
> inside the firewall, but if I try to pull anything that large from the
> internet, the transfer dies at 2GB.

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[Little, Chris]

Or is after you have conversed 2gigs worth it hangs up?

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> Finally got the thing to download using Konqueror on a SLES-9
> Intel server I have in the data center. The problem appears
> to be our IP phones. Phone goes in the wall, computer net
> cable plugs into the phone.  According to the network folks,
> our IP phones act like  switches with a quality of service
> control. Sustained data transfer of an hour or so is frowned
> upon. That's the story they're trying to sell me. I'm going
> to transfer the image to this machine now to see what happens.
>
> Now to find some DVD media so I can have a backup.
>
>
>
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> > I can use my browser to transfer files larger than 2GB from other
> > systems inside the firewall, but if I try to pull anything
> that large
> > from the internet, the transfer dies at 2GB.
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Re: SLES10 GA

[James Melin]

I'm not sure, nor am I sure I believe them. I think it's a time-out in the 
firewall. The SLES 9 server I used is on a gigabit backbone. It will pull
data as fast as our outbound firewall will allow. (I was getting 917 K/sec) Vs 
80-90 K/sec to desktop (they throttle out desk connections in favor of
the IP phone quality of service levels)



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Or is after you have conversed 2gigs worth it hangs up?

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>
> Finally got the thing to download using Konqueror on a SLES-9
> Intel server I have in the data center. The problem appears
> to be our IP phones. Phone goes in the wall, computer net
> cable plugs into the phone.  According to the network folks,
> our IP phones act like  switches with a quality of service
> control. Sustained data transfer of an hour or so is frowned
> upon. That's the story they're trying to sell me. I'm going
> to transfer the image to this machine now to see what happens.
>
> Now to find some DVD media so I can have a backup.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Post, Mark K wrote:
> > I've pretty much decided that the culprit is my company's
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> > I can use my browser to transfer files larger than 2GB from other
> > systems inside the firewall, but if I try to pull anything
> that large
> > from the internet, the transfer dies at 2GB.
>
> Is there a transparent proxy in the line?
>
> --
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Ihno Krumreich]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 02:04:18PM +0200, Nico Potgieter wrote:
> HI All
> 
> Any idea or reason why the DVD is so big .. in total over 4 Gig and the
> total of the cd's is just over 2 GIG ..

Thd DVD contains the source. Ths CD-Version not.

Ihno

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nix, Robert P.]

openSuSE 10.1 has wget 1.10.2. SuSE SLES 10 also has wget 1.10.2.


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-Original Message-
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Did you find a wget 1.10 or later somewhere?  My sles9x seems to have
1.9.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nico Potgieter]

Hi All

I have a problem installing SLES10 under Hercules ..

I use Hercules 3.02 and when I need to specify the partitioning and software
selection I get a message that say
No *catalog found at
http://x.x.x.x/xx/DVD1/"
and "ERROR: No** proposal".

Same problem occurs using Windows or SLED10 as driver system ..

I initially downloaded the 4 cd's and also had the problem .. I then
downloaded the DVD version but alas still the same problem

Any ideas how to bypass this . ??

Thanks

Nico
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

It looks like you're specifying the installation server incorrectly.
The error message shows an http:// string in the middle of the directory
tree.  When you specify the installation server, you don't want/need to
say http://ip.address, you just need to provide the IP address.


Mark Post 

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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Nico Potgieter
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:30 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: SLES10 GA

Hi All

I have a problem installing SLES10 under Hercules ..

I use Hercules 3.02 and when I need to specify the partitioning and
software
selection I get a message that say
No *catalog found at
http://x.x.x.x/xx/DVD1/<http://x.x.x.x/autoyast/sles10-rc2/>"
and "ERROR: No** proposal".

Same problem occurs using Windows or SLED10 as driver system ..

I initially downloaded the 4 cd's and also had the problem .. I then
downloaded the DVD version but alas still the same problem

Any ideas how to bypass this . ??

Thanks

Nico
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Rick Troth]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Carsten Otte wrote:
> We do build 31bit every night, and that we do regression test as
> described. Linux _runs_ on G5 and up. We _support_ GA distributions
> from SuSE and RedHat.

This is good.  And this is good to know.

Just keep building those 31-bit critters,  Carsten.

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Nico Potgieter]

Hi

The message shows the http in front of the ip address  .. I just specify the
ip address in the panel when going through the Yast install


Nico

On 7/24/06, Post, Mark K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It looks like you're specifying the installation server incorrectly.
The error message shows an http:// string in the middle of the directory
tree.  When you specify the installation server, you don't want/need to
say http://ip.address, you just need to provide the IP address.


Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Nico Potgieter
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:30 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: SLES10 GA

Hi All

I have a problem installing SLES10 under Hercules ..

I use Hercules 3.02 and when I need to specify the partitioning and
software
selection I get a message that say
No *catalog found at
http://x.x.x.x/xx/DVD1/<http://x.x.x.x/autoyast/sles10-rc2/>"
and "ERROR: No** proposal".

Same problem occurs using Windows or SLED10 as driver system ..

I initially downloaded the 4 cd's and also had the problem .. I then
downloaded the DVD version but alas still the same problem

Any ideas how to bypass this . ??

Thanks

Nico
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Re: SLES10 GA

[Post, Mark K]

Then that looks like a bug in the YaST installer, and should be reported
to Novell/SUSE.


Mark Post 

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Nico Potgieter
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:44 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: SLES10 GA

Hi

The message shows the http in front of the ip address  .. I just specify
the
ip address in the panel when going through the Yast install


Nico

On 7/24/06, Post, Mark K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It looks like you're specifying the installation server incorrectly.
> The error message shows an http:// string in the middle of the
directory
> tree.  When you specify the installation server, you don't want/need
to
> say http://ip.address, you just need to provide the IP address.
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Nico Potgieter
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:30 AM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: SLES10 GA
>
> Hi All
>
> I have a problem installing SLES10 under Hercules ..
>
> I use Hercules 3.02 and when I need to specify the partitioning and
> software
> selection I get a message that say
> No *catalog found at
> http://x.x.x.x/xx/DVD1/<http://x.x.x.x/autoyast/sles10-rc2/>"
> and "ERROR: No** proposal".
>
> Same problem occurs using Windows or SLED10 as driver system ..
>
> I initially downloaded the 4 cd's and also had the problem .. I then
> downloaded the DVD version but alas still the same problem
>
> Any ideas how to bypass this . ??
>
> Thanks
>
> Nico

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Re: SLES10 GA

[Yakov Dekel]

Look like you are using windows+MSIE. I had the same symptom. Firefox, on
the other hand, dies after exactly 4GB. I guess the best option (yet) is
Linux. Haven't tried it yet.

Jacob Dekel
www.mvsdasd.org

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DOMENICO
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:22 PM
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Subject: R: SLES10 GA

Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for
SLES-10/z?

Anyone has successfully downloaded  (4.2 GB) the DVD ISO image for
SLES-10/z?


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Marcy Cortes]

I got it with Firefox 1.5.0.4 to my windows 2K pc.  Took all day.
Then another day to upload to Linux virtual server with FTP.

Byte counts match but the md5sums do not.  I haven't gotten any farther
than that.



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Look like you are using windows+MSIE. I had the same symptom. Firefox,
on
the other hand, dies after exactly 4GB. I guess the best option (yet) is
Linux. Haven't tried it yet.

Jacob Dekel
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Anyone else getting a 208 Mb file when downloading the DVD ISO image for
SLES-10/z?

Anyone has successfully downloaded  (4.2 GB) the DVD ISO image for
SLES-10/z?


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Re: SLES10 GA

[Phil Smith III]

"Little, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Or is after you have conversed 2gigs worth it hangs up?

I gotta get that for home...my daughter will get bitten by it daily!!!

...phsiii

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[Fwd: Re: SLES10 GA]

[Carsten Otte]

Looks like I need to correct my statement, after some learning curve:
> In fact, we do build 31bit
> code every night and that we do regression test on 31bit for every
> single  item and feature at every single code drop to developerworks.
> G5 and up are supported, as has always been.
We do build 31bit every night, and that we do regression test as
described. Linux _runs_ on G5 and up. We _support_ GA distributions
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