Re: recording wavs
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:20:08 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ In a cynical attempt to get back to the top of the list I'm replying too my own post. I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. Appolgies for my persistance. -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SUSE vs Knoppix
I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 06:52, Squabsy wrote: I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix I've used Suse 8.2 and find it to be a good distro, especially if you like a smooth gui, with lots of 'bells and whistles' I've not used Knoppix and therefore can't comment on it. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Monday 29 September 2003 6:41 am, someone claiming to be Squabsy wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:20:08 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ In a cynical attempt to get back to the top of the list I'm replying too my own post. I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. Appolgies for my persistance. $ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) 8192 cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 3071 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited You're limits don't look all that different from mine, 'cept you have unlimited stack size (lucky devil), so I don't think limits is your problem. I'd lean toward sound card driver issues. Do you have another sound card you could try? Regards, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-20.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 7:05am up 1 day, 23:29, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.24, 0.10 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
quoth Squabsy: | I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well | documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on | reasonably ok with it. | I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and | wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative | advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix knoppix is great as a bootable cd distribution, which is how many people use it. if you're running a distribution you like and you're running it for production purposes as opposed to fooling around, why consider switching? still, if you d/l and burn the knoppix cd, you can boot it and take a look and see what you think -- that way, you can have both, as well as a dandy way of demonstrating linux to others without having to install it on their machines. and if it turns out that you prefer it to suse, you can always install it after you've driven it around the block, kicked the tires, seen how many miles it gets per gallon, checked its nhtsa front- and side-impact crash test results, and seen if it's ever been in a wreck. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:20:08 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ In a cynical attempt to get back to the top of the list I'm replying too my own post. I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. They wouldn't. ulimit doesn't control max file size. That's basically a filesystem/glibc/kernel issue. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. It shouldn't. I still think something is either f00bar with your hardware, or SuSE. Unless you're really tied to your current install, you might want to try a different distro just to see if it makes a difference. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: linux network administration guide
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 18:53, zohar wrote: I want to know about various configuration files in Linux. I tried Linux network administration guide of Orally but that book was made in 2000 and also does not over many of the configuration files of system utilities. Can you please help me to go to correct web page . Thanx in advance. Zohar Have you tried looking at www.linux.org and cruising to documentation. I don't know if what you are looking for is there specifically but it should be a good jump point to finding some of the info you need. -- Tom Wilson McSwain Carpets Programming today is a race between software developers trying to build bigger, better, idiot proof programs and the Universe trying to build bigger, better idiots. So far the Universe is winning. --Robert Cringely signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Just curious. Has Redhat ever given up the philosophy it's a new version, it must be ready for prime time? I know they have released less than reliable versions in the past. Example, there is a new version of GCC that breaks a lot of packages. Is Redhat storming ahead with this like they did a couple of years ago? I'm pretty much isolated from this stuff on gentoo stable, but I read about lots of grief from the early adopters. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Big /proc problem
Somehow I've done some not-so-wonderous things to my RH9 installation: I have a Monsterous (348Mb) /proc/kcore file which I cannot remove or edit down. It is preventing me from using the system as it has filled the / partition to full. I can't change permissions (even as root), rm it, or vi it. Two questions - what can I do to get rid of it? and, - any idea what is the underlying cause of this file's creation and expansion? Any help will be appreciated. -- W3AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Downingtown, PA ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big /proc problem
On Monday 29 September 2003 9:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I've done some not-so-wonderous things to my RH9 installation: I have a Monsterous (348Mb) /proc/kcore file which I cannot remove or edit down. It is preventing me from using the system as it has filled the / partition to full. I can't change permissions (even as root), rm it, or vi it. Two questions - what can I do to get rid of it? and, - any idea what is the underlying cause of this file's creation and expansion? Any help will be appreciated. -- Be prepared to look embarrassed.. The kcore file is merely a map of memory and doesn't exist. In fact, all of the 'files' in /proc don't really exist but are created by the kernel to hold information about the system (only while the system is up and running). So /proc/kcore is not your problem. Something else is. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/29/03 09:40 + ++ This file will self-destruct in five minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big /proc problem
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I've done some not-so-wonderous things to my RH9 installation: I have a Monsterous (348Mb) /proc/kcore file which I cannot remove or edit down. It is preventing me from using the system as it has filled the / partition to full. I can't change permissions (even as root), rm it, or vi it. Two questions - what can I do to get rid of it? and, - any idea what is the underlying cause of this file's creation and expansion? Any help will be appreciated. Jut a general thought ... now would be a good time to have a KNOPPIX disk handy. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big /proc problem
Gulp, blushing, digging toe into dirt. Oops! Returning to very shaky system to find something else monsterous. Sorry 'bout that, folks. -- W3AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Downingtown, PA On Monday 29 September 2003 9:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I've done some not-so-wonderous things to my RH9 installation: I have a Monsterous (348Mb) /proc/kcore file which I cannot remove or edit down. It is preventing me from using the system as it has filled the / partition to full. I can't change permissions (even as root), rm it, or vi it. Two questions - what can I do to get rid of it? and, - any idea what is the underlying cause of this file's creation and expansion? Any help will be appreciated. -- Be prepared to look embarrassed.. The kcore file is merely a map of memory and doesn't exist. In fact, all of the 'files' in /proc don't really exist but are created by the kernel to hold information about the system (only while the system is up and running). So /proc/kcore is not your problem. Something else is. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/29/03 09:40 + ++ This file will self-destruct in five minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Squabsy wrote: I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I would propose a test: - Create or find a test file of about 1M bytes - Do this over and and over ... 'cat 1mfile bigfile.wav' and see if the problem can be reproduced as that file grows (and outside of sound card and recording software issues). Be sure to do it in the same user account, directory and partition as the recording. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. The wav file takes the same amount of space on Linux as it would on any other O/S - it's a relatively simple calculation of bits x channels x rate x time = file size. This will eventually turn out to be something simple (they always do) and you'll feel good for the experience of having persisted thru it ;-) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Just curious. Has Redhat ever given up the philosophy it's a new version, it must be ready for prime time? I know they have released less than reliable versions in the past. Example, there is a new version of GCC that breaks a lot of packages. Is Redhat storming ahead with this like they did a couple of years ago? No. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big /proc problem
On Monday 29 September 2003 10:26 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gulp, blushing, digging toe into dirt. Oops! Returning to very shaky system to find something else monsterous. Sorry 'bout that, folks. No problem KJ1B -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/29/03 10:48 + ++ Isn't it strange? The same people who laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously. - anonymous ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
from an sco press release today
SCO Says IBM's Amended Complaint, Based on GPL, is Built on a Shaky Foundation LINDON, Utah-September 29, 2003-The SCO Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: SCOX) today made the following announcement: On Friday, September 26, IBM filed an amendment to its legal complaint against The SCO Group. In this amended complaint IBM asserts that SCO has violated the GNU General Public License (GPL), and based on this violation has then violated certain IBM copyrights. IBM, not SCO, has brought the GPL into the legal controversy between the two companies. SCO believes that the GPL -- created by the Free Software Foundation to supplant current U.S. copyright laws -- is a shaky foundation on which to build a legal case. By contrast, SCO continues to base its legal claims on well-settled United States contract laws and United States copyright laws. The GPL has never faced a full legal test, and SCO believes that it will not stand up in court. We are confident that SCO will win the legal battle that IBM has now started over the GPL. By so strongly defending the controversial GPL, IBM is also defending a questionable licensing scheme through which it can avoid providing software indemnification for its customers. We continue to urge IBM to provide legal indemnification for its Linux customers. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:49:16 -0500 Squabsy wrote: I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I would propose a test: - Create or find a test file of about 1M bytes - Do this over and and over ... 'cat 1mfile bigfile.wav' and see if the problem can be reproduced as that file grows (and outside of sound card and recording software issues). Be sure to do it in the same user account, directory and partition as the recording. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. The wav file takes the same amount of space on Linux as it would on any other O/S - it's a relatively simple calculation of bits x channels x rate x time = file size. This will eventually turn out to be something simple (they always do) and you'll feel good for the experience of having persisted thru it ;-) I propose yet another test. Use knoppix and try recording again. I am not ready to retire my col or SuSE systems but I kinda like the way knoppix works. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Net Llama! wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix Knoppix is a great recovery system and a good linux demo. It can easily be installed to your hard drive. The hardware detection is very good. It's on one cd. It has access to debian archives, which contain huge amounts of software. KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) I just installed debian 3.0 to an old compaq with no cdrom (broken) using floppies and the internet install. Then did apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade a few times while interspersing apt-get -f install to correct dependencies, and it's functional. Wouldn't want to try it with dialup, but it worked. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Hi Squabsy- I also use SuSE 8.2pro and Knoppix 3.1/3.2 I would say that Knoppix is a great boot-distro and possibly something to install as a secondary distro on your hard drive, but I'm not sure I would replace SuSE with it. I like the way SuSE has packaged so much software and basically made it work together. While I've never been a big fan of Yast, I think that it's package-conflict/dependency resolution is very good. Furthermore, it was meant to be a full-time distro... Unfortunately I can't say what it is that SuSE has over Knoppix, except that SuSE feels more powerful and is supported on all the servers I use so Desktop experience transfers well. Also, while Knoppix has GREAT hw-autoconfig capabilities, I don't believe they support quite as much as SuSE or have permanent tools to configure them? (like my Video-In stuff?) APT-GET works with both deb and rpm packages, although if Knoppix can use the Debian software-stores perhaps it's a better bet? not sure. Let us know what you decide. If you install Knoppix, try it on a different partition and compare them side-by-side. I'd like to hear how they stack up against each other. Also, if you like Knoppix, check out http://www.knoppix-std.org It is a Security-focused distro which has stripped out the office functionality of Knoppix 3.2 and replaced it with every security/hacking tool known to Linux. On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix Knoppix is a great recovery system and a good linux demo. It can easily be installed to your hard drive. The hardware detection is very good. It's on one cd. It has access to debian archives, which contain huge amounts of software. KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Net Llama! wrote: Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. Hmm... you must mean the src.rpm's that are available on redhat, etc. There is an option to download src.debs using apt-get, also. I haven't tried it. When I want to use source, I just download the source gz file, unpack it, then: ./configure make checkinstall -D This makes a .deb file for easy uninstalling later. Note the second line (from /etc/apt/sources.list), if uncommented, enables source deb downloads. As I said, I haven't tried it. deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free #deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. Yes, agreed; odd requirement. I use Libranet, a debian based distro, which provides an excellent install, a good management tool, and a system that is more up to date than debian stable (quite stale), but not so bleeding edge as debian unstable. It just works, and updates are a breeze. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Related to cron.daily
Hi In our /etc directory I am seeing there are two directories 1. cron.daily 2. cron.daily2 Under cron.daily2 the *webalizer.pl* is mentioned. But in /etc/logrotate only cron.daily is mentioned to be executed. But somehow i am seeing *webalizer.pl* is also running... So howcome webalizer.pl is running when it is under cron.daily2? I have checked all the directories, no where this *webalizer.pl* is mentioned.. I have moved the webalizer.pl from this directory to my own directory. Today night i will check wheather it executes or not...As the corn.daily time is set to 4 am .. any pointer is appreciated Thanks -Swapna __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. Hmm... you must mean the src.rpm's that are available on redhat, etc. There is an option to download src.debs using apt-get, also. I haven't tried it. When I want to use source, I just download the source gz file, I'd be really curious on whether source Debs are as easy to deploy as binary. If they are then my concerns are unfounded. unpack it, then: ./configure make checkinstall -D This makes a .deb file for easy uninstalling later. Sure, but if you're going to go that route, then you're not really getting the 'advantage' of debian any longer. its just as simple to do that on a redhat box to give me the RPM at the end. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Related to cron.daily
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Swapana Ghosh wrote: Hi In our /etc directory I am seeing there are two directories 1. cron.daily 2. cron.daily2 Under cron.daily2 the *webalizer.pl* is mentioned. But in /etc/logrotate only cron.daily is mentioned to be executed. But somehow i am seeing *webalizer.pl* is also running... So howcome webalizer.pl is running when it is under cron.daily2? I have checked all the directories, no where this *webalizer.pl* is mentioned.. /etc/logrotate has nothing at all to do with cronjobs. All it does is rotate out your logs. cron.daily2 is something that someone hacked in. Its in no Redhat distro I've ever looked at, going back as far as RH-5.2. I have moved the webalizer.pl from this directory to my own directory. Today night i will check wheather it executes or not...As the corn.daily time is set to 4 am .. Pointer to what? You haven't said what the problem is. You did alude to something about webalizer.pl, but there's no information on what is wrong. Is webalizer.pl not running per a cronjob? If so, then say so. Of couse the fact that its sitting in cron.daily2 sounds like the reason why. cronjobs are called either from /etc/crontab or per each user's own crontab (crontab -l). If they're not in one of those two locations, then they do *NOT* exist. period. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Another dumb question about cablemodem and wireless network
--- Harry Giles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will this work? LInux box, using a standard wired NIC plugs in to the W.A.P. and the Windows boxes on the network use the wireless cards. The cable modem goes into the router, then plugged into the W.A.P. The W.A.P. shouldn't care about the wired box being Linux, should it? This will work. Linux works fine with Netgear and Linksys, no expenience with D-Link. I had a lot of problems the G band wireless and Linux, but that was last February and maybe things have improved by now. Wireless B band works flawlessly. The Linux box can use DHCP to get everything from your WAP, if you've set up DHCP. Gary __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Related to cron.daily
Hi Pointer to what? You haven't said what the problem is. You did alude to something about webalizer.pl, but there's no information on what is wrong. Is webalizer.pl not running per a cronjob? If so, then say so. Of couse the fact that its sitting in cron.daily2 sounds like the reason why. I want that webalizer.pl should not run...But i am seeing that at the time of logrotaion this program is running though after checking, it is found that *webalizer.pl* exists only under /etc/cron.daily2... We did not set cron.daily2 under /etc/crontab , so by logic says this program should not run My question is how come this program is running? Regards. -Swapna __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Net Llama! wrote: unpack it, then: ./configure make checkinstall -D This makes a .deb file for easy uninstalling later. Sure, but if you're going to go that route, then you're not really getting the 'advantage' of debian any longer. its just as simple to do that on a redhat box to give me the RPM at the end. True, but it does allow easy uninstall of packages compiled from source, unlike the rarely implemented 'make remove' or whatever. And the debian archive is available for most uses. I like the dependency checking built in to deb packages. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: duh
Net Llama! wrote: All you need to edit is a single file for each interface: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 Remaining determined to depend on a gui will always leave you stuck when the GUI isn't available. Amen, I have found that moving between distributions almost certainly means that someone with a penchant for insert gui scripting language here has created a gui based config editor. So instead of knowing which file to edit to change the settings via cli you need to remember what the hell they call the gui and also the quirks of the particular interface. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Related to cron.daily
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Swapana Ghosh wrote: Hi Pointer to what? You haven't said what the problem is. You did alude to something about webalizer.pl, but there's no information on what is wrong. Is webalizer.pl not running per a cronjob? If so, then say so. Of couse the fact that its sitting in cron.daily2 sounds like the reason why. I want that webalizer.pl should not run...But i am seeing that at the time of logrotaion this program is running though after checking, it is found that *webalizer.pl* exists only under /etc/cron.daily2... We did not set cron.daily2 under /etc/crontab , so by logic says this program should not run My question is how come this program is running? Its getting called from somewhere. Maybe /etc/crontab? Maybe root's crontab. Maybe from within a diferent cronjob. At this point the better question is how good is you security when you have foreign cronjobs running on the box that you can't track down? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:11, dep wrote: SCO Says IBM's Amended Complaint, Based on GPL, is Built on a Shaky Foundation LINDON, Utah-September 29, 2003-The SCO Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: SCOX) today made the following announcement: On Friday, September 26, IBM filed an amendment to its legal complaint against The SCO Group. In this amended complaint IBM asserts that SCO has violated the GNU General Public License (GPL), and based on this violation has then violated certain IBM copyrights. IBM, not SCO, has brought the GPL into the legal controversy between the two companies. SCO believes that the GPL -- created by the Free Software Foundation to supplant current U.S. copyright laws -- is a shaky foundation on which to build a legal case. By contrast, SCO continues to base its legal claims on well-settled United States contract laws and United States copyright laws. The GPL has never faced a full legal test, and SCO believes that it will not stand up in court. We are confident that SCO will win the legal battle that IBM has now started over the GPL. By so strongly defending the controversial GPL, IBM is also defending a questionable licensing scheme through which it can avoid providing software indemnification for its customers. We continue to urge IBM to provide legal indemnification for its Linux customers. Ballocks -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
quoth burns: | Ballocks i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, dep wrote: quoth burns: | Ballocks i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. And M$. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. Here's a typical example. I read a glowing review of Knoppix and it's offerings on pick-a-site (I can't remember). There were several dozen comments from various people with positive comments. About third in a row was a typical Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro when Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after registering for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his opinion. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Collins Richey wrote: Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro when Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after registering for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his opinion. There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Moffat wrote: | Collins Richey wrote: | | Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro | when | Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! | | I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after | registering | for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his | opinion. | | | | | There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) | 50% of the time I'm agreeing with Collins' method, the other 50% I'm the *other* guy. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:56pm up 16 days, 7:37, 13 users, load average: 1.00, 1.04, 1.08 - - 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/eORZidHQ0m/kEssRAmQmAJ9OJKVGXxHMS1Sl5OIfrVWuXa5mgwCdGaUN nwyG/67oKT/Ai9MSCpDdNX4= =ESd4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:13, dep wrote: i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Interesting that IBM's market cap is almost the same as that of SCO *except in Billions instead of millions*! There is no doubt that this is getting up the nose of the folks in Big Blue, big time. They could easily buy SCO with IBM lunch money, but at this point I'm pretty certain they don't want to give SCO the satisfaction. Instead they probably plan to drive them into the ground by litigating them all the way down into a Chapter 11. Good, they deserve it, the slime balls. IBM has basically bet the farm on Linux, they cannot afford to lose and will not allow Linux or Open Source to be emperilled by the Lunatics from Lindon. You know, it's impossible to see what's going on, understanding what has also probably put things in motion behind the scenes, and stay neutral. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:06 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Moffat wrote: | Collins Richey wrote: | | Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro | when | Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! | | I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after | registering | for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his | opinion. | | | | | There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) | 50% of the time I'm agreeing with Collins' method, the other 50% I'm the *other* guy. Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Quoth Collins Richey: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. That was the point. Kurt -- It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. -- Bertrand Russell ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Quoth Net Llama!: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, dep wrote: quoth burns: | Ballocks i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. And M$. Erm, I presume you meant for for the US Justice Department aginst MS. Kurt -- Any fool can paint a picture, but it takes a wise person to be able to sell it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Quoth Collins Richey: Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. So, I'm guessing this means you don't play with yourself? ;-) Kurt -- An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose. -- A. P. Herbert ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Actually, it was worse. It seems they asked for recounts without any clear criteria for recounting ballots. That was the famous hanging chad debate. That was what the Supremes declared unconstitutional. Which is surprising, because I would have thought a compelling need to elect a Democrat would have outweighed the concept of equal protection under the law, but, dear me, this is getting OT. Of course, many people forget that GB won every recount, machine and manual, including one done by the media after the election. How soon they forget. Joel On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:27:30PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Joel Hammer wrote: How soon they forget. Don't get me started! but, dear me, this is getting OT. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:27:30 -0600 On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. I think that was the point. This guy does for law what a frightened octopus does to water as far as clarity is concerned. He did get M$ labeled as a monopoly. That was effective. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:15:33 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. So, I'm guessing this means you don't play with yourself? ;-) Cute! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:45:53 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it was worse. Yep, time to retire this thread or move to general. The gentleman with the mustache will appear any time now! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
