what does these mean?
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 554 cm61-10-50-59.hkcable.com.hk[61.10.50.59]: Client host rejected: Host rejected because of spam it sent.) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to kiezmar.lodz.tpsa.pl.: DATA 554 cm61-10-50-59.hkcable.com.hk[61.10.50.59]: Client host rejected: Host rejected because of spam it sent. 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 554 Error: no valid recipients BTW, I have set up my sendmail as a mail server and my ISP hkcable didn't block outgoing traffic from port 25. How could it intercept and reject this message sent from my sendmail directly? -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^1:00am up 5 days, 13:53, 0 users, load average: 0.99, 0.97, 0.98 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mozilla Font Uglies - Any Idea what I am doing wrong?
Looks like a funky charset, like UTF8 or something. I don't know that this is a build issue as much as a configuration issue. On 09/12/03 21:27, James McDonald wrote: Folks, This link is to a display error I am getting with some web pages and emails in mozilla. http://www.jamesmcdonald.id.au/gallery/Tech-Stuff/mozilla_mail_error Looking at the mozconfig options below can anyone see what options I need to turn off/on to stop this? Or is it something with my system? I am running redhat 9.0 with a standard xfs / xft / freetype2 etc install with the exception of adding Windows fonts to X using the wine ./font_convert.sh script to convert the *.fon files to a *.pcf format and the usual ttmkfdir mkfontdir /usr/sbin/chkfontpath -a for the ttf's Any insight would be very welcome. # sh # Build configuration script # # See http://www.mozilla.org/build/unix.html for build instructions. # # Options for 'configure' (same as command-line options). ac_add_options --with-pthreads ac_add_options --with-system-nspr ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg=/usr ac_add_options --with-system-zlib=/usr ac_add_options --with-system-png=/usr ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2 ac_add_options --enable-calendar ac_add_options --enable-xft ac_add_options --enable-crypto ac_add_options --enable-native-uconv ac_add_options --enable-ldap-experimental ac_add_options --enable-svg ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --enable-reorder ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-xterm-updates ac_add_options --with-default-mozilla-five-home=/usr/lib/mozilla #ac_add_options --disable-shared #ac_add_options --enable-static ac_add_options --enable-optimize mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=/home/james/downloads/mozilla/mozilla-obj export MOZ_INTERNAL_LIBART_LGPL=1 mk_add_options MOZ_INTERNAL_LIBART_LGPL=1 MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1 export MOZILLA_OFFICIAL BUILD_OFFICIAL=1 export BUILD_OFFICIAL -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:55am up 13:24, 2 users, load average: 0.48, 0.20, 0.06 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Mozilla Font Uglies - Any Idea what I am doing wrong?
Folks, This link is to a display error I am getting with some web pages and emails in mozilla. http://www.jamesmcdonald.id.au/gallery/Tech-Stuff/mozilla_mail_error Looking at the mozconfig options below can anyone see what options I need to turn off/on to stop this? Or is it something with my system? I am running redhat 9.0 with a standard xfs / xft / freetype2 etc install with the exception of adding Windows fonts to X using the wine ./font_convert.sh script to convert the *.fon files to a *.pcf format and the usual ttmkfdir mkfontdir /usr/sbin/chkfontpath -a for the ttf's Any insight would be very welcome. # sh # Build configuration script # # See http://www.mozilla.org/build/unix.html for build instructions. # # Options for 'configure' (same as command-line options). ac_add_options --with-pthreads ac_add_options --with-system-nspr ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg=/usr ac_add_options --with-system-zlib=/usr ac_add_options --with-system-png=/usr ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2 ac_add_options --enable-calendar ac_add_options --enable-xft ac_add_options --enable-crypto ac_add_options --enable-native-uconv ac_add_options --enable-ldap-experimental ac_add_options --enable-svg ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --enable-reorder ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-xterm-updates ac_add_options --with-default-mozilla-five-home=/usr/lib/mozilla #ac_add_options --disable-shared #ac_add_options --enable-static ac_add_options --enable-optimize mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=/home/james/downloads/mozilla/mozilla-obj export MOZ_INTERNAL_LIBART_LGPL=1 mk_add_options MOZ_INTERNAL_LIBART_LGPL=1 MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1 export MOZILLA_OFFICIAL BUILD_OFFICIAL=1 export BUILD_OFFICIAL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[OT] What are they afraid of?
Microsoft sent me a notice of a security update for Win2K, with the usual dire warnings (update or some hacker will rip you off). OK, the warning was valid, the implication that it won't happen if you update may not be. For a change, I decided to spend the time to read the EULA, just for kicks. I found some interesting paragraphs. I had to type it in by hand, because I don't know how to extract it from a .prn file (the only thing it could be saved as), and it couldn't be cut and paste. --- * You may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsoft's prior written approval. --- Translation: We are so certain that this pig is glacial that we only allow disclosure of rigged tests. An additional paragraph (fairly long) specified that under no conditions could Microsoft be held responsible for damages ...ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE OS COMPONENTS OR THE SUPPORT SERVICES, ... EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY SUPPLIER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. Translation: Whether you can or can't use it isn't our problem, we've got your money now. And finally, they limit their liability to ...THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00. Translation: The true value of our software is $5.00. Give me the GPL any day! Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Plain Text Emails Don't Spread Virii! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] What are they afraid of?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:34:52 -0700 Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And finally, they limit their liability to ...THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00. Translation: The true value of our software is $5.00. I'd say it's overvalued at that price. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT Anyone know what posting says MS can't get exchange up to50,000 users
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? If he's serious about Exchange with 50k+ users, I suggest you find a new job (the recent posting to this list comes to mind). Not even M$ can get this to work. You'll need one exchange server per 500 users (so 100+ Win2k systems running Exchange should work) -- or, one Linux box using something like PowerMail (and PostgreSQL), although I'd suggest 3 systems for good failover capability. Also, the PowerMail solution will cost you about half a million $$$ less and not have nearly the headaches. BTW, to run 100+ Win2k servers, you'll need at least 10 more Windoze admins too (not included in above cost savings estimate, so estimate over $1,000,000 in savings per year). OTOH, if this guys importance is measured in terms of the size of his budget and not his successful accomplishments, only M$ will do. M$, the empire builders' dream. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone know what posting this refers to and where I can find it, If he's serious about Exchange with 50k+ users, I suggest you find a new job (the recent posting to this list comes to mind). Not even M$ can get this to work.? Thanks, Jason === ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Gerry Doris [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: I even tried scanning my quarantine directory and ClamAV still misses the virus. Yes. I'm using the latest ClamAV signatures. I suspect these virii are coming through the list. I could be wrong since Sobig forges the headers but I think they're slipping through. Yes, ClamAV is definitely missing some variants of the SoBig. I have 5 examples here that it fails to ID but rav gets them each time ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 05:37 am, Gerry Doris wrote: Well, I guess if no one else has been seeing all these virii then the infected system(s) picked up my email address and is using the list as the source. No you are NOT the only one as i am inundated with UMCx messages from this list plus uUndelivered mail notices. I also got 3 SOBIG-F virii as well and I am also slightly pissed off that the list is letting over 24 messages slip by. If I was and could be in windows I would be infected, maybe! It has only happened with the Sobig virus and i am guessing that the virus scanner being used is not doing its job. I also am seeing messages to other people that the list seems to n be letting through. VACATION Kaycy Martin in particular. It just seems that things have gone haywire over the past few days. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
I have received several emails infected with Sobig.F supposedly from the list as well a pile of notices from various list members that they received infected messages. 1. isn't the list screening for virii? 2. can't you screen out all these damn virus received notification? They're worse than the Nigerian scams I get each day! -- Gerry The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Gerry Doris wrote: I have received several emails infected with Sobig.F supposedly from the list as well a pile of notices from various list members that they received infected messages. Most of the e-mail worms that attack the Microsoft virus, Windows forge the headers so they appear to some somebody other than the real sender. I'm getting a fairly large number of virus notices from brain-dead virus scanners addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not the capitilzation) saying that I sent them a virus. The only place my e-mail address appears capitalized like that is in the signature block of my e-mails or perhaps in some rather ancient usenet news postings (at least 10 years old). I don't do e-mail on any Windows machines, and never have. The only times I've ever run OutLook has been to go through the menus to figure out how to specify server addresses, and once to see how Caldera's Volution Messaging System's one-click configuration worked. My guess is that the volume of mail messages from the so-called virus scanning software to the forged sender addresses probably is greater than the volume of actual worms. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``I don't make jokes, I just watch the Government and report the facts...'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Bill Campbell wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Gerry Doris wrote: I have received several emails infected with Sobig.F supposedly from the list as well a pile of notices from various list members that they received infected messages. Most of the e-mail worms that attack the Microsoft virus, Windows forge the headers so they appear to some somebody other than the real sender. I'm getting a fairly large number of virus notices from brain-dead virus scanners addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not the capitilzation) saying that I sent them a virus. The only place my e-mail address appears capitalized like that is in the signature block of my e-mails or perhaps in some rather ancient usenet news postings (at least 10 years old). I don't do e-mail on any Windows machines, and never have. The only times I've ever run OutLook has been to go through the menus to figure out how to specify server addresses, and once to see how Caldera's Volution Messaging System's one-click configuration worked. My guess is that the volume of mail messages from the so-called virus scanning software to the forged sender addresses probably is greater than the volume of actual worms. Bill I believe that Doug is using ClamAV to scan the list messages. I'm using ClamAV as well as F-Prot and TrendMicro. Only F-Prot and Trend are picking up this variant of Sobig.F for me. ClamAV seems to be missing them. I even tried scanning my quarantine directory and ClamAV still misses the virus. Yes. I'm using the latest ClamAV signatures. I suspect these virii are coming through the list. I could be wrong since Sobig forges the headers but I think they're slipping through. -- Gerry The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Sunday 31 August 2003 1:32 pm, someone claiming to be Bill Campbell wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Gerry Doris wrote: I have received several emails infected with Sobig.F supposedly from the list as well a pile of notices from various list members that they received infected messages. Most of the e-mail worms that attack the Microsoft virus, Windows forge the headers so they appear to some somebody other than the real sender. AFAICT, it's only forging the From: address. The Received From headers seem to be unaffected, unless it's changed since it first came out... I don't suspect you are infected, but I believe someone who uses an smtp server connected to your network is (or was). Case in point an e-mail sent to the list on 8/22 containing the subject RE: Thank You (one of the tell-tail subject lines) had the following in the header: header quote Received: from JOJO (grdsl-94.dsl.utk.edu [160.36.224.95]) by kumerik.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387D828885 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:07:10 -0500 (CDT) /header quote I tried sending a message directly to you at the time, but recieved a failure notice: Permanent Failure: 554_Service_unavailable;_[216.148.227.85]_blocked_using_rbl.celestial.net,_reason:_Blocked_for_spamming_from_IP=216.148.227.85 Delivery last attempted at Sat, 23 Aug 2003 03:13:11 - I was able to determine the source of an infection at work by using the Received From header. It allowed me to trace the infection to a specific machine, one that, for some reason, had it's anti-virus software turned off :-( snip My guess is that the volume of mail messages from the so-called virus scanning software to the forged sender addresses probably is greater than the volume of actual worms. I doubt it, but it sure seems that way sometimes :-( Regards, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 3:10pm up 8 days, 21:07, 2 users, load average: 0.21, 0.22, 0.15 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: On Sunday 31 August 2003 1:32 pm, someone claiming to be Bill Campbell wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Gerry Doris wrote: I have received several emails infected with Sobig.F supposedly from the list as well a pile of notices from various list members that they received infected messages. Most of the e-mail worms that attack the Microsoft virus, Windows forge the headers so they appear to some somebody other than the real sender. AFAICT, it's only forging the From: address. The Received From headers seem to be unaffected, unless it's changed since it first came out... snip... Well, I guess if no one else has been seeing all these virii then the infected system(s) picked up my email address and is using the list as the source. The messages claim to have originated at three separate sites unmc.edu (University of Nebraska) rackshack.net (?) zusket.net (?) I'm now dumping any messages from these three locations directly to /dev/null and things have quieted down! This is on my home system and I'm only using four boxes. Three of these are running linux and the other is turned off. The infection is not on my network. -- Gerry The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What the hell is going on - SOBIG.F
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Tim Wunder wrote:
On Sunday 31 August 2003 1:32 pm, someone claiming to be Bill Campbell wrote:
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Gerry Doris wrote:
I have received several emails infected with Sobig.F supposedly from
the list as well a pile of notices from various list members that they
received infected messages.
Most of the e-mail worms that attack the Microsoft virus, Windows forge the
headers so they appear to some somebody other than the real sender.
AFAICT, it's only forging the From: address. The Received From headers seem
to be unaffected, unless it's changed since it first came out...
I don't suspect you are infected, but I believe someone who uses an
smtp server connected to your network is (or was). Case in point an e-mail
sent to the list on 8/22 containing the subject RE: Thank You (one of the
tell-tail subject lines) had the following in the header:
header quote
Received: from JOJO (grdsl-94.dsl.utk.edu [160.36.224.95])
by kumerik.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387D828885
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:07:10 -0500 (CDT)
/header quote
That machine is an MX forwarder for linux-sxs-org, and properly receives
mail destined for that domain when the primary MX server isn't available
for whatever reason. The three MX servers for linux-sxs.org are here (the
two servers here have less restrictive anti-spam filters than our main mx1
and mx2 servers which rejected your mail as noted below):
0 hunley.homeip.net
110 mx3.celestial.com
100 mx4.celestial.com
I tried sending a message directly to you at the time, but recieved a failure
notice:
Permanent Failure:
554_Service_unavailable;_[216.148.227.85]_blocked_using_rbl.celestial.net,_reason:_Blocked_for_spamming_from_IP=216.148.227.85
Delivery last attempted at Sat, 23 Aug 2003 03:13:11 -
That particular address is blocked as the result of spam from that system
(in this case a weight loss and other meds send to a spamtrap address from
a ``millions of clean e-mail address'' CD). Mail to role accounts
{postmaster,abuse,security,[EMAIL PROTECTED] is always accepted before
any RBLs are checked.
Bill
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URL: http://www.celestial.com/
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Re: What is a staging environment?
James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:41:39 +1000 burns wrote: After a short break, on the 8th day the Lord invented staging environments. And verily they were wise that used them, even if the scribes and elders knew not. What is a staging environment? I haven't heard of it before in relation to IT. It goes by many names. It is where you have a smaller version of the production system with test data where all changes can be proven to work before they are put into the actual production environment. Sometimes management provides direct support for getting the hardware to set one of these things up. Other times you need to scrounge parts from wherever. Running without one could be BAD. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What is a staging environment?
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Alma J Wetzker wrote: James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:41:39 +1000 burns wrote: After a short break, on the 8th day the Lord invented staging environments. And verily they were wise that used them, even if the scribes and elders knew not. What is a staging environment? I haven't heard of it before in relation to IT. It goes by many names. It is where you have a smaller version of the production system with test data where all changes can be proven to work before they are put into the actual production environment. Sometimes management provides direct support for getting the hardware to set one of these things up. Other times you need to scrounge parts from wherever. Running without one could be BAD. Or more simply put, any mature development enterprise has three environments: Development Staging Production Staging is what you use to remove any issues that could impact uptime in production. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What is a staging environment?
Development Staging Production Staging is what you use to remove any issues that could impact uptime in production. Oh we call it dev test prod or a sandbox -- James McDonald Systems Engineer Singleton NSW Australia 61+ (0)2 6570 1556 (bh) 61+ (0)2 6571 2401 (ah) 61+ 0428 320 219 (mob) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What is a staging environment?
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 03:41, James McDonald wrote: What is a staging environment? I haven't heard of it before in relation to IT. Proper, enterprise class infrastructures don't do everything on their main (live) systems. Believe it or not, industry 'best practices' call for several duplicate (or near duplicate) environments. These are: 1) Development - a limited scale and scope environment sufficient to allow developers to develop and do preliminary code testing on new releases and patches. Development environment have broad (not detailed) similarity to portions of the end-state build/architecture. 2) Test - An environment for formal testing along specific lines as part of the software release cycle (e.g. Test Cases, User Acceptance Testing, etc.) Test environments are expected to be able to replicate certain specified architectural conditions related to the end-state build. 3) Staging - Staging environments should be exact replicas, down to and including software releases and patches, of the production (end-state) build. In the staging environment, all proposed changes, patches new releases, etc. are loaded and run under operating conditions to determine optimal configurations and to see what, if anything, will break or glitch. Often, staging environments also can serve a dual purpose as an emergency cold backup system. 4) Production - this is the live, running end-state system. On enterprise architectures, each of these environments will consists of numerous servers, routers, switches, storage arrays, etc. System service time means dollars and IT managers hate to have a production system taken down for any reason. Thus, having multiple environments such as those described above can actually make sense in certain large scale enterprises. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:51:05 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: snippage Speaking of roasts, how 'bout the ``I can eat hotter food than you'' contest between Evan, Calamity, et al. == hehehe I joined the list just about that time and I remember being confused thinking I had joined the wrong list. Was fun though!! Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On 08/02/03 06:20, Michael Hipp wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:50am up 18 days, 9:32, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:20:35 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Amen, brother. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Net Llama! wrote: Mike Andrew Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. Maybe we should organize a Skippy-esque manhunt. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Michael Hipp: Net Llama! wrote: Mike Andrew Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. Maybe we should organize a Skippy-esque manhunt. No, I don't think so. Mikey left the list for reasons he alone can explain. He's alive and well and gainfully occupied. Kurt -- Mr. Cole's Axiom: The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:20 pm, Michael Hipp wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Michael Being a Norfolk islander, thats where he will still be. His address will be hard to get though. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:54 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/02/03 06:20, Michael Hipp wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. They are a special sort of people, one cannot live there unless you have a Norfolk hereitage or kin. They have there own languauge, its rare for them to leave the island except on business etc. Colleen McCullough lives there as she married an islander, loves the isolation. Its 2 hrs North on NZ and 2 Hrs East of Sydney in the Sth Pacific and it ain't big. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:34 am, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Mike Andrew Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. Maybe we should organize a Skippy-esque manhunt. As I said he is isolated and frankly all the islanders want it that way. They govern themselves although they are still uner Oz Govt umbrella. Its a beautiful place very small and its popular here as a short holiday destination. However they restrict the number of visitors to the available accomodation also its not cheap. Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth dep: quoth Keith Antoine: | As I said he is isolated and frankly all the islanders want it that | way. They govern themselves although they are still uner Oz Govt | umbrella. Its a beautiful place very small and its popular here as a | short holiday destination. However they restrict the number of | visitors to the available accomodation also its not cheap. and they have a great national slogan: we don't smoke. we don't drink. norfolk, norfolk, norfolk! Which likely explains the population problem... Kurt -- Valerie: Aww, Tom, you're going maudlin on me ... Tom: I reserve the right to wax maudlin as I wane eloquent ... -- Tom Chapin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:47:36 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: quoth Keith Antoine: | As I said he is isolated and frankly all the islanders want it that | way. They govern themselves although they are still uner Oz Govt | umbrella. Its a beautiful place very small and its popular here as a | short holiday destination. However they restrict the number of | visitors to the available accomodation also its not cheap. and they have a great national slogan: we don't smoke. we don't drink. norfolk, norfolk, norfolk! === Gee, dep, Keith made it sound rather intriguing. No drinking?? sigh I just lost interest ;o) Mike (not Andrew) -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
:) Oh, I can imagine that I got a well-deserved roasting... begin On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:08:36 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can tell you've been talking to my ex-wives. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
I think it was Doug, too, that fixed the script I needed fixed... I think it was DHCP screwing with the hosts file or somethingorother :) begin On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:45:20 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List All have said a lot about ed, but when I was fairly new then I tried 4 or 5 distros, they all had some problem to get them up and going. ED, put in the cd make a few slections in about 45 minutes to an hour you were syrfing the net. No muss, no fuss. Easy to learn, easier to maintain. and with Dougs fix of checkinstall, I think it was Doug, if wrong I 'm sorry, we had another tool to build our programs. My $0.02. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
What about his email address? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something like that? begin On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:21:05 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a Norfolk islander, thats where he will still be. His address will be hard to get though. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
chkconfig smb on chkconfig nmb on They separated the file service from the name service so they both need to be started... The chkconfig utility is quite nice. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:33:43 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am testing out SuSE and I still can't get samba to startup automagically on reboot. (Something about xinetd that I still need to chase down..., or maybe figure out how to start webmin...) -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Caldera made a nice cake, but D.B. and friends put on the 'fine' icing! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:05:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. In my case the ratio was: 10% - Caldera was the first distro that would actually install on my old hardware (K6/II with a SIS video chip). I did not get tremendous support directly from Caldera. 90% - the best mailing list (still is) on the planet. The list solved my ppp problem (Caldera struck out) in short order. eD 2.4 was ok, but I never had a love affair with it. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: No offense, but what's with the critique of answers? I didn't realize that this had do be an essay with well thought out replies. just trying to get to the 'meat-and-potatos' part of it all. hard to make a 'what do we need to accomplish to create a competitor to eD?' list from sentiment. that's all. didn't mean anything by it anyone - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org PROGRAM - n. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. v. tr.- To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KpPD2MO5UukaubkRAnnfAJ44PyS37euFyM2eUi7V7c6awE2tvACfWVQU qBy3R2FTcRD+aDri3FvlGZ0= =HGcX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:43:23 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | :) Glad to know we can still joke around. I still remember the first time you and I spoke... it was not necessarily pleasant, in fact I believe Kurt had to step in :) | Great to still be seeing you, mate! Time does odd things. | | On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0600 | Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: |score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 |blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] |G | | | I can't remember having an unpleasant conversation, so I guess it wasn't too serious. Of course my memory is about half of what Skippy says his is now. g ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. I can't remember having an unpleasant conversation, so I guess it wasn't too serious. Of course my memory is about half of what Skippy says his is now. g ;-) Kurt -- It's so stupid of modern civilization to have given up believing in the Devil when he is the only explanation of it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. And sadly, little to no waving of chicken's feet. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Keith Morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. And sadly, little to no waving of chicken's feet. Actually, I stopped waving chicken's feet and sacrificing goat parts when I moved up to gentoo grin. Most of the mysteries for which I needed the appropriate incantations are now solved by a world-wide team. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:59:10PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. Speaking of roasts, how 'bout the ``I can eat hotter food than you'' contest between Evan, Calamity, et al. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The cry has been that when war is declared, all opposition should therefore be hushed. A sentiment more unworthy of a free country could hardly be propagated. If the doctrine be admitted, rulers have only to declare war and they are screened at once from scrutiny ... In war, then, as in peace, assert the freedom of speech and of the press. Cling to this as the bulwark of all our rights and privileges. -- William Ellery Channing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:59:10PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. Speaking of roasts, how 'bout the ``I can eat hotter food than you'' contest between Evan, Calamity, et al. I thought they tried to settle that at LinuxWorld. In any event, Evan won (as far as I'm concerned) when he claimed that he used Wasabi as crotch wash... Just thinking about that makes my eyes water. Kurt -- Now this is a totally brain damaged algorithm. Gag me with a smurfette. -- P. Buhr, Computer Science 354 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of | showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. | snip Mine came from David Bandel back in '98 or '99 when I posted to the Caldera list a forgettable M$ quip without using an OT tag. Although the list archives have disappeared from the mail-archive.com site, I remember the statement was I don't know what's worse, the fact that this wasn't marked OT or that I've already seen it 100 times. I tried not to make the same mistake twice. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 8:19pm up 20 days, 38 min, 9 users, load average: 2.09, 1.32, 1.13 - - Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/KyJcidHQ0m/kEssRAiiAAJ93mLmqdOeqUXsdcT9ocEXTAQuCiwCeJaW/ l9h12ejGdj9YWerIRi9x28o= =HVvu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Actually, Kurt, you were the one loaning me some asbestos undergarments, protecting me from the (so I thought at that time) evil Andrew Mathews... Still, watching you still humbled me. It reminded me of the Mudding days of old, when I was a newbie and some uberMudder allowed me to join him on killing sprees... that same kind of awe. Humility can be taught in many ways... On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:59:10 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
List All have said a lot about ed, but when I was fairly new then I tried 4 or 5 distros, they all had some problem to get them up and going. ED, put in the cd make a few slections in about 45 minutes to an hour you were syrfing the net. No muss, no fuss. Easy to learn, easier to maintain. and with Dougs fix of checkinstall, I think it was Doug, if wrong I 'm sorry, we had another tool to build our programs. My $0.02. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | Actually, Kurt, you were the one loaning me some asbestos undergarments, protecting me from the (so I thought at that time) evil Andrew Mathews... snip I can tell you've been talking to my ex-wives. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 9:01pm up 20 days, 1:20, 9 users, load average: 1.08, 1.05, 1.05 - - HTTPD Error 666 : BOFH was here - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Kys0idHQ0m/kEssRAnz3AJsFXWOmX06hQl8AY1l6xLq1Bx4EYQCeO1BG daFzqsUpWyZ5AwSFoyBvwZw= =yRGl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What was it about eD 2.4?
Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? -- Tina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn L Johnston shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org I have plenty of talent and vision, I just don't give a damn. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWay2MO5UukaubkRAoc1AJ9bu++piEprRLGjfm9i1A3OX3ffoQCdFi4C lp9LRvHz7FVWG3P/IqE30NE= =OBMr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection these days. *very* nice 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. agreed - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWeF2MO5UukaubkRAsPxAKCc93BPM/edLRh5pOXnpcBVrRVCwwCfT6iB unx2FV0RDXnaB+7qJtRww4c= =n0n9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas J Hunley shocked and awed us all by speaking: whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? damn! s/objectively/subjectively/ - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Always try to do things in chronological order; it's less confusing that way. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWei2MO5UukaubkRAt6wAJwPHBeZp7EfXUixVIzSKXeZpZXLwACfWP7k lEJAjya1UhYxvBO4GI7fB7A= =wOSS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? It seemed to me that they picked a set of categories and installed the most straightforward app per category by default. Others might ship on the CD, but there was no '20 text editors' syndrome. Also (in blinding contrast to RH) the menus made sense. 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? Either installation from source or binary was pretty easy, of course back then they and RH were on roughly the same library sets, so the major binary incompatibilites were few. Now if only they had added an 'of course I want the devel packages' option it would have been perfect. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
At 01:49 PM 7/31/03 -0400, you wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD snip From my perspective eD was great simply because it worked. It worked each time I installed it, it continued to work, and it, in fact, still works on at least one machine. The installer worked, the combination of executables and libraries and such worked on any piece of hardware I threw at it ... in short, it all worked, all the time. I'm currently using RH9 for production stuff, but have used TurboLinux and SuSE. eD was never bleeding edge and perhaps that is part of the it worked, but I'd rather have it worked any day than it works, but I need to fiddle, or deal with this or that, or muck about with a dependency issue, etc. on a fairly regular basis as I do with RH9. YMMV - Rich Thompson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tina M Berendt wrote: | Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old | Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify | what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? | The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it | hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness | has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on | OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my | 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' | SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do | when talking about eD | | It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current | base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was | about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading | it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right | around the corner). | | So, what *specifically* made eD so great? | I think that at least 50% of it was attributable to the caldera-users mailing list. There were quite a few people there who helped make it what it was, and luckily enough, they made the transition to this list. We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. The other 50% was the fact that it was painless as far as supported hardware close to the cutting edge for the time, there were few incompatibility issues with the software, and it began appearing on retail shelves where anyone could pick it up and try it. It didn't cost $129, it started at a reasonable price ($39 was the highest I ever saw) and their support was pretty good. They participated (some employees) in the community and their support group which earned them some points too. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 2:15pm up 110 days, 22:57, 16 users, load average: 1.38, 1.39, 1.40 - - Someone whom you reject today, will reject you tomorrow. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/KXxuejAu2RVHwF4RAsc8AJ4u/4asOd202XtlFcYBuMEZrCM4dQCfXyLK 5Bomjcm7BckeD+rNziG2iKQ= =VJDn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - It was solid. It worked. It was stable. Gave the impression that some real QA had gone into it. - Webmin and Caldera's extensions to the KDE control center were great. - They focused on 1 GUI and made that one work really well. - Their manual was quite good (for a newbie anyway). - It was not a kitchen sink distro (sensible choices for all apps, not just a shrink wrapped CD dump of FreshMeat/Sourceforge) - Lizard. Still the best installer. Red Hat's Anaconda is only now beginning to approach it (some 3+ years later). - It was reasonably priced. - People like Marcus Meissner (sp?) that participated on the list, and even released packages for users to try. - In that same vein, the release was not frozen in time. Updated packages were released by the company. KDE 2 is the one I remember best. Things that were terrible about eD: - The installer would sometimes just barf and refuse to install without the slightest hint of why. They never did fix that one. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
* Things generally worked. * Install was beautiful and intelligent (found my network settings and installed while I finished supplying config info) * Packages were used AS IS. Any config or comealong tools worked with the original config files (which allowed you to manually edit the conf files and still have the GUI tools work as well :) * Menuing system wasn't dorked around with. * Simple design allowed a full install to come from one CD and give you a great base system which you could then install apps on. * Integration with KDE (KControl integration) * Stable and solid as a rock. * Good package selection didn't give too many options for the same thing, but generally the best one. * Caldera developed the little fine-toothed-comb items like the GUI config which let you configure how KDE treated a CD when it was first inserted. Little pieces that just made the whole thing seem cohesive. Even SuSE, my latest love, can't pull that one off. They still take the Hitler approach: Usen meinen konfigurator toolen und leik it. Things I would have liked to see: * Repository for packages specifically designed for, but not included with, the distro. I like RPM's. I like the cleanliness included. * Installer which did not inform me that it could not install on my system (which it should have) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:49:11 -0400 Tina M Berendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? -- Tina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? Well, I cut my teeth on eD2.4. I found the install very good for a newbie. It's hardware detection was very good. After install, the admin tools(COAS) were the best. Also, the way it used /etc was very straightforward. If you wanted to change something you went to /etc/somewhere/configfile and changed it. The file was usually commented quite well and COAS reflected the changes and didn't change it back to some default. COAS was both ncurses and X Windows based. You could also use webmin and do the same thing that COAS did and they both agreed and worked together quite well. The menus were very easy to understand. One thing I liked was that it shipped with KDE 1.1.2 and when KDE 2.x came out, Caldera provided rpms that worked. Also, you could compile just about any tarball on it and it worked. They used /opt which made sense to me(personal preference). It was very upgradable and customizable. Once W3.1 was released, over a year and a half after eD2.4, most people had upgraded eD2.4 to where W3.1 was or past and saw no need to install W3.1 and start over. I'm not sure if you could take Lycoris and rework the menu, update/include some packages and include COAS(proprietary code?) and it would be what most people would want. I don't know if a LFS(ish) build would be the answer. Here are some things that would be needed: - A Lizard type installer that detected most all hardware(like Knoppix's detection). - You'd have to have good admin tool like COAS. - Straightforward use of /etc for those that liked to edit files by hand. - Changes by hand to config files would be reflected in the admin tool and the admin tool wouldn't overwrite them. - Webmin(for those that didn't like the admin tool or remote configuration) - Menus that made sense(very subjective for each person) - Very good multimedia coverage. It could handle most any multimedia file in or out of the browser. - Includes OpenOffice.org for an office suite - A rpm repository that would be maintained and reflect updated/new software packages as they were released. - The ability to customize and upgrade with tarballs with relative ease as the user deemed needed. - Use of /opt (again my personal preference) - Had at least one and no more than two programs installed for every task needed. Other packages available for user from rpm repository. - It would be stable and up-to-date, but not bleeding edge, to satisfy most users. I'm sure others could add to this list. Those that want to work on such product(I'm not a developer), kudos to them. They should be saving this list and other such e-mails to refer to while developing the distro. I've since moved to mandrake and like it, but again no 'warm fuzzies'. It's admin tools are decent, but it's menus can be confusing. Also, msec can change somethings back that you don't want it to change. One thing that irks me is that they don't have a KDE package maintainer. When KDE has a new release, you have to rely on texstar or somebody else to package KDE for you or you can try to compile it yourself. This can lead to a unusable desktop if you break too many things. Also, mandrake doesn't use /opt (my preference again). Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration for a product well done. I think since I'm not the only one, it's the latter. Jim -- 3:01pm up 16 days, 1:34, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.05, 0.07 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or tarball it went up and worked. The lousy rpm dependency issue I have these days was not around or very minor. In fact one could abuse thesystem and get away with it within reason. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still keep eDesk 2.4 on an old P 233 box. It is a word processing station. I installed WordPerfect Office 2000/linux on it and it runs flawlessly. Performance is quite satisfactory, since KDE 1.1 imposes so little system overhead. My only gripe is that I could never get a Netscape 4.7x upgrade to work on it. My eDesk 2.4 system will be doing my correspondence for me indefinitely. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 01:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. --snip-- - It cleanly installed on just about everything I tried. Yes, I had a few bad installs, but nothing like the other distros of the time. - It shipped with a perfect mix of applications - It all worked. PERIOD. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 5:42pm up 21 days, 3:40, 4 users, load average: 1.08, 1.24, 1.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
No offense, but what's with the critique of answers? I didn't realize that this had do be an essay with well thought out replies. On 07/31/03 12:01, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection these days. *very* nice 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. agreed -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:10pm up 16 days, 18:53, 1 user, load average: 0.26, 0.24, 0.11 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth James Conner: On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: [clip] So, what *specifically* made eD so great? [snip] Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration for a product well done. I think since I'm not the only one, it's the latter. A product well done. Kurt -- Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. -- W. C. Fields ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: snip So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm not linux learned. I got POed at M$ and not knowing much stumbled upon Indiot's Guide to Linux and started with 1.3. I migrated to 2.2, 2.3 and finally to eD2.4. Everything worked on my box. When it didn't I called and got a straight answer. Then I became aware of the List. Almost all of what I know came from that list (pretty much the same core bunch that is this list) and this list. All of the releases of Caldera worked out of the box for every thing I needed and EXPECTED. I never had a You have performed an illegal operation and at the time that was about all I was interested in. I've tried Mandrake 8.2 and my CDrom/Burner freezes up the whole system (oops, I had to get the sxs steps to make the burner work on Caldera). I Am using RH7.3 now. I tried 8.0, but get the same problem with the CDROM. Caldera was comfortable, easy to use, easy to make something work and seemed to like me. Maybe that's what is important? Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What was it about eD 2.4?
Speaking for myself, I liked the fact that I could configure everything from the GUI either with an app or the web. The configuration tools left the comments in the config files so that you could edit those manually. If you edited the config files, you could still use the GUI tools to configure other things later WITHOUT losing manual updates. For instance, in caldera I could use webmin or an extension of the kde to configure what services to start or stop and when. I am testing out SuSE and I still can't get samba to startup automagically on reboot. (Something about xinetd that I still need to chase down..., or maybe figure out how to start webmin...) I liked the binaries being compiled from the sources shipped. (Not as big an issue as it used to be.) And the testing that went into the whole package being stable running the apps that shipped with the product. I even liked the comercial apps that shipped with the product. And I still need a novell client. (That disappeared after eD 2.4) FWIW -- Alma What was it about eD 2.4? Tina M Berendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:49:11 -0400 Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gee. what a surprise.
Quoth dep: i could have sworn i read something like this on linux and main awhile back . . . Ayup. IBM's been reading LM to find out what the party line is this week, I see. :-) http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5057840.html?tag=fd_top An IBM executive has claimed that a set of forces is attempting to derail Linux, and hinted that Microsoft and SCO Group are among those responsible. Kurt -- Maternity pay? Now every Tom, Dick and Harry will get pregnant. -- Malcolm Smith ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) | | On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 | Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |We may bicker, roll our |eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a |list worth listening to. | | Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] G - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:04pm up 18 days, 23:28, 9 users, load average: 1.07, 1.14, 1.14 - - Among the lucky, you are the chosen one. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Kb2SidHQ0m/kEssRAgtQAJ97vNU0mwOBzI/H1L73ckHSwvTIRQCfUHGD D4CIi5kxK3s1mBIcSR0kJcg= =uOhz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Tina M Berendt: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD I've never had the warm fuzzy for any distro the way I had it for eDesktop 2.3 and, even more, eDesktop 2.4 - 'course, maybe because I helped build 2.4, I'm biased. I liked OpenLinux 1.3, too. Vis-a-vis eDesktop 2.4, though, a lot of time and effort went into to making it, in large part because we (at what was then Caldera) knew we had to offer a compelling alternative to Red Hat, which, even in 1999 and 2000, had already captured considerable mind share. That extra polish showed. These days, the extra effort that went into eDesktop 2.4 isn't necessary because there is no real competitor on the desktop to Red Hat. Red Hat have won the branding wars (in the U.S., anyway), so they no longer are trying quite as hard to produce a polished, seamless, trouble-free product. Why should they, when there's no one left with whom to compete for desktop space and mind share? It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - The installation worked 95% of the time (the other 5%, though, bag it) - A terrific set of applications - Almost everything worked; almost everything worked together - Solidly engineered -- some might say solidly _over_-engineered - Good tradeoffs between features and stability, with a tendency to prefer stability to features - Reasonably attractive - *Great* mailing list - Pretty decent company behind it - Self-hosted build system - the binaries shipped were built from the sources shipped - No library conflicts Kurt -- Who's on first? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:05:05 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or tarball it went up and worked. The lousy rpm dependency issue I have these days was not around or very minor. In fact one could abuse thesystem and get away with it within reason. AND.., a superlative user mail list; many are now here, but also Les, Mike Andrews and others. Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Keith Antoine wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > Lots of people wrote too much to quote. > > Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming > another eDesk 2.4 wake. > Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past > command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. I'd say significantly. If you like statistics, the contribution was 50%. Of course, the engineers and programmers contributed the other 50% What good is a superbly engineered product nobody likes? Like the "anatomically perfect" car seats Daimler Benz used to make. The users were happy and enthusiastic and wanted to wring the maximum performance out of eDesk 2.4. I remember when Erik Ratcliffe and Marcus Meissner were active list members. I would like to think that they participated because of the professional pride they had in their "baby" and enjoyed talking to the people who used, and appreciated, their work. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
:) Glad to know we can still joke around. I still remember the first time you and I spoke... it was not necessarily pleasant, in fact I believe Kurt had to step in :) Great to still be seeing you, mate! Time does odd things. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] G -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
gee. what a surprise.
i could have sworn i read something like this on linux and main awhile back . . . http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5057840.html?tag=fd_top An IBM executive has claimed that a set of forces is attempting to derail Linux, and hinted that Microsoft and SCO Group are among those responsible. Al Zollar, a general manager of sales for IBM eServer iSeries, told delegates attending the company's Asia Pacific Strategic Planning Conference in Queensland, Australia, on Tuesday that a set of forces was attempting to stymie adoption of the open-source operating system. They're mostly located in Redmond, although they have recruited a few allies, said Zollar. Microsoft has its headquarters in Redmond, Wash. Zollar then indicated that SCO was part of the alliance. The company, based in Lindon, Utah, has made intellectual property claims to certain code contained in some versions of Linux and is maneuvering to gather license fees from commercial applications of the operating system. . . . -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Using XFCE 4... What can I turn off to make it faster
Hi James. I use XFCE 4 on a number of laptops and what has helped me most is running prelink over the install. What is prelink? Umm never mind -- http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml This is done on GENTOO, but I would assume that prelink can be found on the net somewhere and used on your Mandrake as well. Cheers. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Using XFCE 4... What can I turn off to make it faster
Quoth James McDonald: Actually can anyone point me to a book on performance tuning. _Linux Performance Tuning and Capacity Planning_ (Sams, 2001) Kurt -- If two wrongs don't make a right, try three. -- Laurence J. Peter ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Using XFCE 4... What can I turn off to make it faster
Kurt Wall wrote: _Linux Performance Tuning and Capacity Planning_ (Sams, 2001) Kurt Fantastic thanks Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Using XFCE 4... What can I turn off to make it faster
Hi All, I have just moved to using XFCE4 since I was getting tired of waiting for KDE apps to launch on my PIII 600 Box. It has sped things up considerably but I would like to know if anyone has any pointers on improving performance on Linux boxes... I have Mandrake 9.1 2.4.21 kernel XFCE4 PIII 600/512MB RAM it is running Apache 2.x and Postfix and squirrel mail. Actually can anyone point me to a book on performance tuning. Also I noticed that Keith(Antoine) is back online what was the story behind your disappearence?.. everyone was worried about you. James McDonald Systems Engineer Singleton NSW Australia ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Using XFCE 4... What can I turn off to make it faster
Hi James. I use XFCE 4 on a number of laptops and what has helped me most is running prelink over the install. This is done on GENTOO, but I would assume that prelink can be found on the net somewhere and used on your Mandrake as well. Cheers. On Monday 28 July 2003 12:34 am, James McDonald wrote: Hi All, I have just moved to using XFCE4 since I was getting tired of waiting for KDE apps to launch on my PIII 600 Box. It has sped things up considerably but I would like to know if anyone has any pointers on improving performance on Linux boxes... I have Mandrake 9.1 2.4.21 kernel XFCE4 PIII 600/512MB RAM it is running Apache 2.x and Postfix and squirrel mail. Actually can anyone point me to a book on performance tuning. Also I noticed that Keith(Antoine) is back online what was the story behind your disappearence?.. everyone was worried about you. James McDonald Systems Engineer Singleton NSW Australia ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 12:17am up 17 days, 10:15, 4 users, load average: 1.97, 1.34, 1.13 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What are 'Nice' values in relation to processes
Folks, I have been noticing words such as 'nice values' and 're-nicing' and am wondering what it means. Anyone explain it for me? James McDonald ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What are 'Nice' values in relation to processes
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:45:59 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: Folks, I have been noticing words such as 'nice values' and 're-nicing' and am wondering what it means. Anyone explain it for me? James McDonald = nice has to do with the priority assigned to a running process. -20 gets the highest priority, 19 gets the lowest. A process with a lower priority will yield processor activity to one with a higher value. For fuller info, check man nice (w/o quotes) in a terminal app. HTH, Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Windows to linux... What was that app?
As a true linux follower I'm always looking for ways to get potential linux users to jump the Microsoft bandwagon. Whenever I get a chance. Until tonight I was only able to draw from my own experience and that of others that have gone before me. As of tonight, I've got a really good resource that goes beyond what I've experienced in migrating from windows (I never used it, honest) to linux. Freshly plucked from c.o.l.a. I submit the following url to anyone that needs a tip as to what linux application can be used to replace windows apps. http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en It's worth a bookmark. Cheers. P.S. Not that anyone will cheer or boo... but I'll be on vacation in Mexico for the next two weeks. Save your off-list emails till then, please. Adios! -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 11:22pm up 173 days, 3:56, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:57:03 -0500 Klaus-Peter Schrage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a bignuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won'trun under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it rununder the new glibc. do you know why it won't run? i use wine occasionally, so this might be an issue. See http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=155 Too bad this is a private server: Forbidden You don't have permission .. it was working fine yesterday. i read the article, and it was mostly Marcus Meissner debating how to fix wine horkage as a result of glibc-2.3.x. a favorite function, or function abc() is now deprecated, and everyone needs to use abc_d(), etc. It matters not whether it's glibc, XFree, KDE, or GNOME - they always reinvent the wheel and change the rules. they're not reinventing the wheel at all. that's a M$ tactic. they're making the wheel better, which unfortunately tends to leave older technologies behind in some cases. I've been spoiled working in the IBM mainframe software arena for most of my adult life. When you upgrade from one IBM OS release to another, most of the time you don't even need to recompile/reassemble unless you want to exploit some new functionality. sure, when a single company controls the entire development environment, everythihng is wonderful. i hear M$ is great with that. :P /a little rant ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Collins Richey wrote: See http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=155 Too bad this is a private server: Forbidden You don't have permission .. it was working fine yesterday. i read the article, and it was mostly Marcus Meissner debating how to fix wine horkage as a result of glibc-2.3.x. Believe it or not: winehq.org totally reorganized their site just yesterday, so the given link got lost. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
Tim Wunder wrote: FWIW, Red Hat Linux 9 will have 2.3.1 Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a big nuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won't run under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it run under the new glibc. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Tim Wunder wrote: FWIW, Red Hat Linux 9 will have 2.3.1 Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a big nuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won't run under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it run under the new glibc. do you know why it won't run? i use wine occasionally, so this might be an issue. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
Net Llama! wrote: Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a big nuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won't run under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it run under the new glibc. do you know why it won't run? i use wine occasionally, so this might be an issue. See http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=155 There have been more discussions in several threads on the wine-devel list. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:57:03 -0500 Klaus-Peter Schrage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a bignuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won'trun under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it rununder the new glibc. do you know why it won't run? i use wine occasionally, so this might be an issue. See http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=155 Too bad this is a private server: Forbidden You don't have permission .. There have been more discussions in several threads on the wine-devel list. Klaus a little rant This is one of the reasons that progress is so slow in the free software environment. Every other time they upgrade pick a major gnu or linux software function, it renders everything (or large portions) obsolete and unusable for a while. Changing the calling sequence or returns from a favorite function, or function abc() is now deprecated, and everyone needs to use abc_d(), etc. It matters not whether it's glibc, XFree, KDE, or GNOME - they always reinvent the wheel and change the rules. I've been spoiled working in the IBM mainframe software arena for most of my adult life. When you upgrade from one IBM OS release to another, most of the time you don't even need to recompile/reassemble unless you want to exploit some new functionality. /a little rant ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:57:03 -0500 Klaus-Peter Schrage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a bignuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won'trun under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it rununder the new glibc. do you know why it won't run? i use wine occasionally, so this might be an issue. See http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=155 Too bad this is a private server: Forbidden You don't have permission ... Oh, sorry - this one should work (at least, here and now): http://www.winehq.org/index.php?issue=155 It's the 155th issue of the weekly newsletter on winehq.org, containing Threading Problems with glibc 2.3. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
glibc - what is the stable release?
I'm trying to figure out what the latest stable release of glibc is. I see a 2.2.5 and i see a 2.3.1. According to the (g)libc website: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ 2.3.1 is the latest release, but they neglect to comment on whether its considered to be a devel or stable release. anyone know for sure? i've been running 2.2.5 on several of my boxes, but i'm at the point where i'm considering upgrading a few more and would prefer to jump right to 2.3.1, if its considered to be stable. thanks. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On 3/24/2003 4:48 PM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: I'm trying to figure out what the latest stable release of glibc is. I see a 2.2.5 and i see a 2.3.1. According to the (g)libc website: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ 2.3.1 is the latest release, but they neglect to comment on whether its considered to be a devel or stable release. anyone know for sure? i've been running 2.2.5 on several of my boxes, but i'm at the point where i'm considering upgrading a few more and would prefer to jump right to 2.3.1, if its considered to be stable. thanks. AFAIK, they don't follow the same stable/unstable convention that the kernel follows, so 2.3.1 is s'posed to be the latest stable release. FWIW, Red Hat Linux 9 will have 2.3.1 Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:20:29PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote: ... AFAIK, they don't follow the same stable/unstable convention that the kernel follows, so 2.3.1 is s'posed to be the latest stable release. ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? IHMO, changing glibc is just asking for trouble since almost everything on the system depends on it. Only slightly less dangerous is updating the Berkeley database libraries. FWIW, Red Hat Linux 9 will have 2.3.1 yea, i've heard the same, but i don't assume that Redhat is including what is deemed stable by the rest of the world ;) Ain't that the truth. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer (1891) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bill Campbell wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:20:29PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote: ... AFAIK, they don't follow the same stable/unstable convention that the kernel follows, so 2.3.1 is s'posed to be the latest stable release. ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? IHMO, changing glibc is just asking for trouble since almost everything on the system depends on it. Only slightly less dangerous is updating the Berkeley database libraries. not neccesarily. i've built upgraded newer 2.2.x versions of glibc before, and survived without a scratch. i've also heard nighmare stories of people trashing their systems by performing the upgrade incorrectly. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
begin Net Llama!'s quote: | ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x | version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the | procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? didn't suse 8.1 go to 2.3.0 or 2.3.1? whatever they went to, it broke every binary in sight. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
I second THAT !!! Downgraded to SuSe 8.0 after the system went totally down the toilet on SuSe 8.1 Same for Redhack 8.0 .. dep wrote: begin Net Llama!'s quote: | ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x | version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the | procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? didn't suse 8.1 go to 2.3.0 or 2.3.1? whatever they went to, it broke every binary in sight. -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Some apps, such as XMMS depend on the audio coming from the CD to the sound card through the cable. I found that out when my XMMS did not work on CDs - I had the CD in the drive with no cable! Right you are, I pulled the cover off my box and found the cable had done the insert your favourite extinct animal species here on me. Dug one up and now it's fine. I just assumed that it would do a software transfer doh!! Thanks for all the help folks Go linux-users team!! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
You're welcome. At least you had a good excuse - I had only stupidity G. James McDonald wrote: Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Some apps, such as XMMS depend on the audio coming from the CD to the sound card through the cable. I found that out when my XMMS did not work on CDs - I had the CD in the drive with no cable! Right you are, I pulled the cover off my box and found the cable had done the insert your favourite extinct animal species here on me. Dug one up and now it's fine. I just assumed that it would do a software transfer doh!! Thanks for all the help folks Go linux-users team!! -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
begin James McDonald's quote: | I have mandrake 9.0 on a Via main board | | /etc/modules.conf has alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx_audio in it | | and I can play mp3 using the default xmms install fine | | My problem is I can't put a music cd in and play it. | | I have tried playing cd's in xine, grip, kscd, xmms etc. and they | all play the cd but no sound comes out. | | Can anyone point me in the right direction... Is it something to do | with the soundservers or a device the players can't find? what happens if you try to do it as root? -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
On Saturday 15 March 2003 11:46 pm, someone claiming to be James McDonald wrote: Folks I have mandrake 9.0 on a Via main board /etc/modules.conf has alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx_audio in it and I can play mp3 using the default xmms install fine My problem is I can't put a music cd in and play it. I have tried playing cd's in xine, grip, kscd, xmms etc. and they all play the cd but no sound comes out. Can anyone point me in the right direction... Is it something to do with the soundservers or a device the players can't find? The most obvious question is, do you have a cable connecting the CD player to the sound card? -- RedHat Psyche 8.0, stock kernel, KDE 3.1.CVS, Xfree86 4.2.1 7:35am up 7 days, 14:52, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
Tim Wunder wrote: The most obvious question is, do you have a cable connecting the CD player to the sound card? Don't disregard this. Windows will play cd's without the cable for some reason, so just because it works in windows . -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:57:26 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Wunder wrote: The most obvious question is, do you have a cable connecting the CD player to the sound card? Don't disregard this. Windows will play cd's without the cable for some reason, so just because it works in windows . -- And the other common problem: do you have the CD setting unmuted in the mixer? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
