Re: Evangelism (dep style)

2001-09-07 Thread Glenn Williams

Hi, Tim:

What is a "mozilla nightly?"

Thanks.

Regards,

Glenn

On Thursday 06 September 2001 19:41, you wrote:
> My son has succumb to pressure from the old man to use linux full
> time (that and he couldn't get windows to install for some reason and
> I refused to help him...). So taking in the advice of dep's latest
> .comment on linuxplanet, I'm trying to be a good guru. Unfortunately,
> he's asked a question that I don't know the answer to.
> He's downloaded a couple of mozilla nightlies and has liked what he's
> seen. His initial comment was something like, "wow, that's fast". Of
> course, the last time he tried Mozilla was probly two months ago.
> Anyway, I walked him thru downloading a nightly tar binary and
> extracting it to a local folder to run and he seemed happy with that.
> Now, though, he wants to automate the process.
> So he asked me if it could be done and how. I told him that I'm sure
> it could be done, but I don't know how. SO the task at hand is to
> downoad the latest mozilla nightly and untar it to a local folder
> autmatically every night. Any scripting gurus out there wanna share
> their expertise with a budding 13-year old linux geek?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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Re: Evangelism (dep style)

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Glenn Williams wrote:

> Hi, Tim:
> 
> What is a "mozilla nightly?"
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Glenn
> 


Mozilla - the open source development project for Netscape 6 (and some other, 
lesser known, companies) - builds versions of the browser package every day 
with the latest changes and calls them nightlies. It's quite different using a 
nightly than a point release. You get additional bug fixes *and* bugs. 
Sometimes the thing won't even run (which is what my son found out this morning).

Typically, I'll pull a nightly down every couple of days to see how things are 
coming along.

More info can be found at http://www.mozilla.org.

Regards,
Tim


> On Thursday 06 September 2001 19:41, you wrote:
> 
>>My son has succumb to pressure from the old man to use linux full
>>time (that and he couldn't get windows to install for some reason and
>>I refused to help him...). So taking in the advice of dep's latest
>>.comment on linuxplanet, I'm trying to be a good guru. Unfortunately,
>>he's asked a question that I don't know the answer to.
>>He's downloaded a couple of mozilla nightlies and has liked what he's
>>seen. His initial comment was something like, "wow, that's fast". Of
>>course, the last time he tried Mozilla was probly two months ago.
>>Anyway, I walked him thru downloading a nightly tar binary and
>>extracting it to a local folder to run and he seemed happy with that.
>>Now, though, he wants to automate the process.
>>So he asked me if it could be done and how. I told him that I'm sure
>>it could be done, but I don't know how. SO the task at hand is to
>>downoad the latest mozilla nightly and untar it to a local folder
>>autmatically every night. Any scripting gurus out there wanna share
>>their expertise with a budding 13-year old linux geek?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tim
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Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Hi folks,
It seems, at least from a response on the kde-linux list I'm on, that gcc 2.95, 
which eW31 has, does not contain optimization code for athlon. This is claimed 
to be the cause of my system architecture being i686 despite checking Athlon in 
the kernel make xconfig (a post on the Caldera list that I didn't cross-post 
here). So the task at hand now is to upgrade gcc to a version that supports 
athlon optimizations.
It appears that the SxS doesn't have anything listed for updating gcc. So 
before I download the latest 3.01 gcc, I'm looking for caveats from the bright 
folks on this list. Should I use 3.01, or another version (or just use the one 
i have and live with i686 optimizations)? What, other than gcc, should get 
updated in the process? Should I update glibc, too?
As always, your assistance is greatly appreciated,
Tim

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Re: Evangelism (dep style)

2001-09-07 Thread Glenn Williams

Hi, Tim:

Very informative reply.  Mucho gracias.

Regards,

Glenn

On Friday 07 September 2001 06:22, you wrote:
> Glenn Williams wrote:
> > Hi, Tim:
> >
> > What is a "mozilla nightly?"
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Glenn
>
> Mozilla - the open source development project for Netscape 6 (and
> some other, lesser known, companies) - builds versions of the browser
> package every day with the latest changes and calls them nightlies.
> It's quite different using a nightly than a point release. You get
> additional bug fixes *and* bugs. Sometimes the thing won't even run
> (which is what my son found out this morning).
>
> Typically, I'll pull a nightly down every couple of days to see how
> things are coming along.
>
> More info can be found at http://www.mozilla.org.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> > On Thursday 06 September 2001 19:41, you wrote:
> >>My son has succumb to pressure from the old man to use linux full
> >>time (that and he couldn't get windows to install for some reason
> >> and I refused to help him...). So taking in the advice of dep's
> >> latest .comment on linuxplanet, I'm trying to be a good guru.
> >> Unfortunately, he's asked a question that I don't know the answer
> >> to.
> >>He's downloaded a couple of mozilla nightlies and has liked what
> >> he's seen. His initial comment was something like, "wow, that's
> >> fast". Of course, the last time he tried Mozilla was probly two
> >> months ago. Anyway, I walked him thru downloading a nightly tar
> >> binary and extracting it to a local folder to run and he seemed
> >> happy with that. Now, though, he wants to automate the process.
> >>So he asked me if it could be done and how. I told him that I'm
> >> sure it could be done, but I don't know how. SO the task at hand
> >> is to downoad the latest mozilla nightly and untar it to a local
> >> folder autmatically every night. Any scripting gurus out there
> >> wanna share their expertise with a budding 13-year old linux geek?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Tim
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hey skippy

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

another application that might be of use to you...


[057] - PyEXIF 0.9
  by Martin Blais (http://freshmeat.net/users/blais/)
  Thursday, September 6th 2001 14:07

Categories: Multimedia :: Graphics :: Capture, Multimedia :: Graphics ::
Capture :: Digital Camera

About: PyEXIF is a Python module that can read the JPEG  or TIFF EXIF tags
containing digital imaging device  parameters. This is useful for use with
images from  digital cameras which includes lots of useful  information
about the image acquisition (e.g.  shutter speed, aperture, etc.). 

License: GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)

URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/pyexif/
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Re: M$ gets a free 'get out of jail card' Re: New SxS ?

2001-09-07 Thread Lee

dep wrote:

> On Thursday 06 September 2001 15:53, Zoki (News) wrote:
> | Today Net Llama was heard saying:
> |
> | 
> |
> | ->Wonderful how my tax dollars were used on a case that just got
> | thrown ->away.
> |
> |
> | *** It's ridiculous! Not only are they making a fool of them selves
> | but also of the American public and the rest of the World
> | population. Further more they've given M'$oft an incredible push in
> | the back to go on with what they were doing and certainly even

>If you want see a real hosing of the taxpayers wait until the government shifts to XP 
>and
replaces all of its computers that are over two years old to accommodate it. Not to 
mention the
lease payments. Bush with another busted budget to blame on the dumocrats.

>
> | more.
>

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Re: tar troubles

2001-09-07 Thread Net Llama


--- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 06 September 2001 11:05 pm, Net Llama dropped these
> nuggets 
> of information:
> > --- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snips]
> 
> Hi Lonni
> 
> > > tar cvf mail.tar mail
> >
> > Ummm...is 'mail' a file or a directory?  If its a standard UNIX mail
> > file, then its, well, a file.  tar is for creating archives of
> > multiple files.  tar has no effect whatsoever on a single file. 
> Have
> > you tried just viewing the contents of mail.tar with a random text
> > editor, or even less (or more) ?
> 
> Mail was a directory for kmail.  It had the drafts, inbox, outbox, 
> trash, and my custom folders under it.  
> 
> Viewing it with less and vi filled the screen with @'s and ^'s.  Same 
> with xedit too.

Oh, well.  I was hoping.  When you created the archive, did you see it
add all the files?  Is it possible that you used a much newer version of
tar to create the archive than you're using to extract it?


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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Net Llama

I'd be a bit hesitant to upgrade to gcc-3.x, as i've heard it still has
some issues compiling certain types of binaries.  Do you know if a
slightly higher or slightly lower 2.9x version has athlon support?

--- Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> It seems, at least from a response on the kde-linux list I'm on, that
> gcc 2.95, 
> which eW31 has, does not contain optimization code for athlon. This is
> claimed 
> to be the cause of my system architecture being i686 despite checking
> Athlon in 
> the kernel make xconfig (a post on the Caldera list that I didn't
> cross-post 
> here). So the task at hand now is to upgrade gcc to a version that
> supports 
> athlon optimizations.
> It appears that the SxS doesn't have anything listed for updating gcc.
> So 
> before I download the latest 3.01 gcc, I'm looking for caveats from
> the bright 
> folks on this list. Should I use 3.01, or another version (or just use
> the one 
> i have and live with i686 optimizations)? What, other than gcc, should
> get 
> updated in the process? Should I update glibc, too?
> As always, your assistance is greatly appreciated,


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Fwd: [linux-elitists] Share-in, Billion Seconds

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley



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http://www.eff.org/events/share-in/

Saturday the 8th in Golden Gate Park by Haight and Stanyan.

"Billion Seconds of Unix" celebratory dinner to follow, for

Sat Sep  8 18:46:40 PDT 2001

which is 10^9 seconds past the epoch.

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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Friday 07 September 2001 09:01, Tim Wunder babbled:
> Hi folks,
> It seems, at least from a response on the kde-linux list I'm on, that gcc
> 2.95, which eW31 has, does not contain optimization code for athlon. This
> is claimed to be the cause of my system architecture being i686 despite
> checking Athlon in the kernel make xconfig (a post on the Caldera list that
> I didn't cross-post here). So the task at hand now is to upgrade gcc to a
> version that supports athlon optimizations.
> It appears that the SxS doesn't have anything listed for updating gcc. So
> before I download the latest 3.01 gcc, I'm looking for caveats from the
> bright folks on this list. Should I use 3.01, or another version (or just
> use the one i have and live with i686 optimizations)? What, other than gcc,
> should get updated in the process? Should I update glibc, too?
> As always, your assistance is greatly appreciated,
> Tim

I (like Llama) wouldn't use a 3.x release yet. In theory, 2.95.4 will have 
Athlon support. Upgrading gcc is painless.. see 
http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/utils/gcc_notes

on another note.. you can compile code that is optimized for athlons without 
upgrading gcc... simply use the following as both CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS when 
compiling stuff:
-O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -march=i686 -mcpu=i686 
-fno-strength-reduce -pipe -malign-functions=4 -funroll-loops 
-fexpensive-optimizations -fschedule-insns2 -mwide-multiply

(you might want to omit the -O6 though as some stuff gets flaky with it)
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Linux friendly ISP's in the UK

2001-09-07 Thread Gordon McCrae

Anyone out there got details of Linux Friendly ISP's in the UK?

I'm returning from my brief (2 year) sojourn in the US and need some details.

Also, how are DSL / Cable doing in the UK?

I heard that BT had actually done some DSL, but wasn't offering dedicated bandwidth, 
and that coverage was intermittent.

Any info is appreciated.

Gordon

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Re: M$ gets a free 'get out of jail card' Re: New SxS ?

2001-09-07 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Friday 07 September 2001 08:34 am, you wrote:
> dep wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 September 2001 15:53, Zoki (News) wrote:
> > | Today Net Llama was heard saying:
> > |
> > | 
> > |
> > | ->Wonderful how my tax dollars were used on a case that just got
> > | thrown ->away.
> > |
> > |
> > | *** It's ridiculous! Not only are they making a fool of them selves
> > | but also of the American public and the rest of the World
> > | population. Further more they've given M'$oft an incredible push in
> > | the back to go on with what they were doing and certainly even
> >
> >If you want see a real hosing of the taxpayers wait until the government
> > shifts to XP and
>
> replaces all of its computers that are over two years old to accommodate
> it. Not to mention the lease payments. Bush with another busted budget to
> blame on the dumocrats.
>
This is not Bush's doing, this was started in Clinton's time and we all know 
that he screwed everything up includeing himself.
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Re: M$ gets a free 'get out of jail card' Re: New SxS ?

2001-09-07 Thread dep

On Friday 07 September 2001 10:46, Rick Sivernell wrote:

| This is not Bush's doing, this was started in Clinton's time and we
| all know that he screwed everything up includeing himself.

you're right, of course, though i think that the most important thing 
to remember is that clinton's justice department had msft over the 
barrel in 1994, when it could have prevented much of what has taken 
place, but then inexplicably backed off.

i have a little piece today on linuxtoday in which i offer the 
appraisal that this route is far better for linux than the breakup 
would have been -- a breakup would have maintained an operating 
system monopoly while (perhaps) making life a little easier for 
non-microsoft developers of applications software, that's all.

i wrote my piece last night and was amused this morning to see that 
in its analysis piece the washington post came to much the same 
conclusion, though of course their piece was not written with linux 
in mind.
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Life with DEPendencies

2001-09-07 Thread Matt . Carpenter


hey Dennis-

just wanted to drop a note and check up on you.  How is life treating you?
Did you get some good sailing in this year?  How has writing been lately?
I'm sure that there has been plenty going on to keep you hoppin'.  How do
you get to choose what you write about?  Is is your choice or are
assignments handed to you from someone above?

Well, Julie, Rachel (15 mo) and I leave for camping this Sunday.  We'll
attempt what I am certain will be an exciting and painful 4 days of tent
camping.  This is kind of a trial run for the little chickie.  We need to
see how she likes camping, and hopefully start the hopefully short process
of getting her used to it.  It IS in the long-term plans, and since Rachel
is as well, she'd better adapt  ;)

Well, I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Sincerely Yours,,
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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Douglas J. Hunley wrote:

> On Friday 07 September 2001 09:01, Tim Wunder babbled:
> 
>>Hi folks,
>>It seems, at least from a response on the kde-linux list I'm on, that gcc
>>2.95, which eW31 has, does not contain optimization code for athlon. This
>>is claimed to be the cause of my system architecture being i686 despite
>>checking Athlon in the kernel make xconfig (a post on the Caldera list that
>>I didn't cross-post here). So the task at hand now is to upgrade gcc to a
>>version that supports athlon optimizations.
>>It appears that the SxS doesn't have anything listed for updating gcc. So
>>before I download the latest 3.01 gcc, I'm looking for caveats from the
>>bright folks on this list. Should I use 3.01, or another version (or just
>>use the one i have and live with i686 optimizations)? What, other than gcc,
>>should get updated in the process? Should I update glibc, too?
>>As always, your assistance is greatly appreciated,
>>Tim
>>
> 
> I (like Llama) wouldn't use a 3.x release yet. In theory, 2.95.4 will have 
> Athlon support. Upgrading gcc is painless.. see 
> http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/utils/gcc_notes
> 
> on another note.. you can compile code that is optimized for athlons without 
> upgrading gcc... simply use the following as both CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS when 
> compiling stuff:
> -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -march=i686 -mcpu=i686 
> -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -malign-functions=4 -funroll-loops 
> -fexpensive-optimizations -fschedule-insns2 -mwide-multiply
> 
> (you might want to omit the -O6 though as some stuff gets flaky with it)
> !
> 
> 

On the KDE list, I asked: "Why 2.96? Current version seems to be 3.01. Why not 
that?"

And got this response from someone other than the guy recommending 2.96:


If you go to http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/gcc-2.95/gcc-2.95.3.html
you will read

"The whole suite has been extensively regression tested and package tested. It
should bereliable and suitable for widespread use."

 and

If you go to http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/gcc-3.0/
you will not find any such indorsment.

Meaning 2.95.3 is latest stable release

In fact I don't even see any mention of 2.96.r.




If 2.95.3 is the "latest stable release" and it's been around since March of 
this year and Caldera chose not to inlude it in their distro, perhaps it's best 
that I leave well enough alone and live with i686 optimization. Of course, I'll 
be trying your CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS recommendation, too.

Regards,
Tim



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KDE 2.2 and eD2.4

2001-09-07 Thread Mark Heinrich

I couldn't find any KDE 2.2 rpms for eDesktop 2.4 at kde.org.  Does Caldera
have these rpms?  TIA

Mark

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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 12:00:37 -0400
Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
| On the KDE list, I asked: "Why 2.96? Current version seems to be 3.01. Why not 
| that?"

For kde2.2beta1, there was a note that gcc3 needed to be used. Have the KDE
folk changed this in the kde2.2 release?

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SuSE Automatic Updates

2001-09-07 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


Folks,

Douglas Hunley wrote an update script for Caldera that worked rather well to
keep the security updates installed as soon as they were released.  Has
anyone written an equivalent for SuSE?


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Re: SuSE Automatic Updates

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Friday 07 September 2001 12:16, Condon Thomas A KPWA babbled:
> Folks,
>
> Douglas Hunley wrote an update script for Caldera that worked rather well
> to keep the security updates installed as soon as they were released.  Has
> anyone written an equivalent for SuSE?
>

thanks! you can use YaST to keep your system up to date. In fact, SuSE 7.2 
even has an 'online update' feature in YaST somewhere..

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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Friday 07 September 2001 12:00, Tim Wunder babbled:
> On the KDE list, I asked: "Why 2.96? Current version seems to be 3.01. Why
> not that?"

I saw that..

> Meaning 2.95.3 is latest stable release
>
> In fact I don't even see any mention of 2.96.r.

2.96 is a bastard child of RedHat's... it never offically existed. It was a 
snapshot of the 3.x development tree that they chose to ship. avoid it at all 
costs...

you really should make the move to 2.95.3... it has some fixes that will be 
necessary should you later choose to use later versions of other things 
(glibc 2.2.4 comes to mind from a discussion on LFS lists...)
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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Friday 07 September 2001 12:02, Roger Oberholtzer babbled:

> For kde2.2beta1, there was a note that gcc3 needed to be used. Have the KDE
> folk changed this in the kde2.2 release?

are you sure you parsed that right? the release notes and the lists say NOT 
to use 3.x for 2.2 final..
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Best Linux CD burners?

2001-09-07 Thread Susan Macchia

Hi all,

I am in the market for a RW CD for my pc and was wondering what burners
are most compatible with Linux.  My current distro (most often used) is
RH 7.0.  But within the next few months I plan to add the latest Suse
or RH on another partition.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

TIA

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Re: Best Linux CD burners?

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Friday 07 September 2001 12:57, Susan Macchia babbled:
> Hi all,
>
> I am in the market for a RW CD for my pc and was wondering what burners
> are most compatible with Linux.  My current distro (most often used) is
> RH 7.0.  But within the next few months I plan to add the latest Suse
> or RH on another partition.
>
> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

this can of worms again? 

I recommend Yamaha EIDE burners. Every once in a while you get one that 
flakes out after a little use, but you can just take it back and exchange it. 
I've had mine for almost 2 years now and it still rocks. I got the 4x 
re-write, 8x write, 16x read model w/ 4Mb of cache (who needs burnproof with 
that kind of cache?). I've updated the firmware once (ridiculously easy 
procedure). It was $200 bucks at the time, but that price will get you double 
the performance nowadays..
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Re: Best Linux CD burners?

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Susan Macchia wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am in the market for a RW CD for my pc and was wondering what burners
> are most compatible with Linux.  My current distro (most often used) is
> RH 7.0.  But within the next few months I plan to add the latest Suse
> or RH on another partition.
> 
> Any advice is greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 


I've heard very good things about Plextor and Yamaha. I've got what now is an 
old SCSI Yamaha 6416, it's performed admirably under linux. Look for burnproof 
technology as well.

HTH,
Tim



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Re: Best Linux CD burners?

2001-09-07 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Friday 07 September 2001 13:13, Tim Wunder babbled:
>Look for
> burnproof technology as well.

have you actually gotten Linux software to use the BurnProof technology? I 
never could... but I didn't need it either, so it never really mattered
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Re: Best Linux CD burners?

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Douglas J. Hunley wrote:

> On Friday 07 September 2001 13:13, Tim Wunder babbled:
> 
>>Look for
>>burnproof technology as well.
>>
> 
> have you actually gotten Linux software to use the BurnProof technology? I 
> never could... but I didn't need it either, so it never really mattered
> 

No. My drive doesn't support it, I got it about 3 or 4 months before it became 
all the rage. I've got a buddy who swears by it (and Plextor), but he's a 
winders user. The latest versions of xcdroast, gcombust, and koncd seem to 
support it. I haven't really run into problems burning without it, but I tend 
to burn at 4x even though the drive is supposed to support 6x, so I've never 
really stressed the drive.


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MS Error message Haikus

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Subject: FW: Microsloth Error Message Haikus

In Japan, they have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft Error
messages with Haiku poetry messages.

Haiku poetry has strict construction rules. Each poem has only three lines,
17 syllables: five syllables in the first line, seven in the second, five in
the third.

Haikus are used to communicate a timeless message often achieving a wistful,
yearning and powerful insight through extreme brevity - the essence of Zen:



Your file was so big.
It might be very useful.
But now it is gone.

The Web site you seek
Cannot be located,
but Countless more exist.

Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.

Program aborting:
Close all that you have worked on.
You ask far too much.

Windows NT crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.

Yesterday it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that.

First snow, then silence.
This thousand-dollar screen dies
So beautifully.

The Tao that is seen
Is not the true Tao-until
You bring fresh toner.


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RE: SuSE Automatic Updates

2001-09-07 Thread Alan Bryant

SuSE 7.1 also had this...

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On Friday 07 September 2001 12:16, Condon Thomas A KPWA babbled:
> Folks,
>
> Douglas Hunley wrote an update script for Caldera that worked rather well
> to keep the security updates installed as soon as they were released.  Has
> anyone written an equivalent for SuSE?
>

thanks! you can use YaST to keep your system up to date. In fact, SuSE 7.2
even has an 'online update' feature in YaST somewhere..

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Re: M$ gets a free 'get out of jail card' Re: New SxS ?

2001-09-07 Thread Rick Sivernell

ennis

  I agree with you, but I think, & my opinion only, that a break up of M$ 
would do more harm to Unix/Linux. That Apps-DEV sw being free from the OS, 
would allow for the migration of apps to Unix/Linux OS's. Yes Linux would 
boom as Winders people came over to use M$ apps that would work & run the 
same as Winders. The problem would be the quality of the sw would ruin 
Linux/Unix. The winders OS would evently die just like OS2.

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Re: MS Error message Haikus

2001-09-07 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Friday 07 September 2001 13:52 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Subject: FW: Microsloth Error Message Haikus
>
> In Japan, they have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft Error
> messages with Haiku poetry messages.
>
> Haiku poetry has strict construction rules. Each poem has only three lines,
> 17 syllables: five syllables in the first line, seven in the second, five
> in the third.
>
> Haikus are used to communicate a timeless message often achieving a
> wistful, yearning and powerful insight through extreme brevity - the
> essence of Zen:
>
> ---
>-
>
> Your file was so big.
> It might be very useful.
> But now it is gone.
>
> The Web site you seek
> Cannot be located,
> but Countless more exist.
>
> Chaos reigns within.
> Reflect, repent, and reboot.
> Order shall return.
>
> Program aborting:
> Close all that you have worked on.
> You ask far too much.
>
> Windows NT crashed.
> I am the Blue Screen of Death.
> No one hears your screams.
>
> Yesterday it worked.
> Today it is not working.
> Windows is like that.
>
> First snow, then silence.
> This thousand-dollar screen dies
> So beautifully.
>
> The Tao that is seen
> Is not the true Tao-until
> You bring fresh toner.

And More:

Three things are certain: 
Death, taxes, and lost data.
Guess which has occurred.

Everything is gone; 
Your life's work has been destroyed.
   Squeeze trigger (yes/no)?

The code was willing, 
It considered your request,
But the chips were weak.

Printer not ready. 
Could be a fatal error.
Have a pen handy?

Errors have occurred. 
We won't tell you where or why.
Lazy programmers.

Server's poor response.  
Not quick enough for browser.
Timed out, plum blossom.

This site has been moved. 
We'd tell you where, but then we'd
have to delete you.

wind catches lily, 
scattering petals to the wind:
segmentation fault

ABORTED effort: 
Close all that you have.
You ask way too much.

Stay the patient course 
Of little worth is your ire
The network is down

You step in the stream, 
but the water has moved on.
This page is not here.

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Re: Linux friendly ISP's in the UK

2001-09-07 Thread Pam R

On Friday 07 September 2001 3:38 pm, Gordon McCrae wrote:
> Anyone out there got details of Linux Friendly ISP's in the UK?
>
> I'm returning from my brief (2 year) sojourn in the US and need some
> details.
>

Take a look at the 'from' address above and you will see that I am using 
uklinux.net ,take a look at the url in my sig below and you will see that I 
am also using btinternet.com. How's that for versatility 


> Also, how are DSL / Cable doing in the UK?
>
> I heard that BT had actually done some DSL, but wasn't offering dedicated
> bandwidth, and that coverage was intermittent.
>
True, BT is not exactly the fastest operator in the world. A couple of the 
cable TV companies, NTL and Telewest, are now offering high speed connections 
under the name Blueyonder IIRC, but I don't know how Linux friendly they are 
and again it does depend on where you live.

HTH
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Re: KDE 2.2 and eD2.4

2001-09-07 Thread Pam R

On Friday 07 September 2001 4:59 pm, Mark Heinrich wrote:
> I couldn't find any KDE 2.2 rpms for eDesktop 2.4 at kde.org.  Does Caldera
> have these rpms?  TIA
>
'Fraid not

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Re: Linux friendly ISP's in the UK

2001-09-07 Thread Gordon McCrae

Thanks, I'll have a look.

Gordon

Pam R wrote:

> On Friday 07 September 2001 3:38 pm, Gordon McCrae wrote:
> > Anyone out there got details of Linux Friendly ISP's in the UK?
> >
> > I'm returning from my brief (2 year) sojourn in the US and need some
> > details.
> >
>
> Take a look at the 'from' address above and you will see that I am using
> uklinux.net ,take a look at the url in my sig below and you will see that I
> am also using btinternet.com. How's that for versatility 
>
> > Also, how are DSL / Cable doing in the UK?
> >
> > I heard that BT had actually done some DSL, but wasn't offering dedicated
> > bandwidth, and that coverage was intermittent.
> >
> True, BT is not exactly the fastest operator in the world. A couple of the
> cable TV companies, NTL and Telewest, are now offering high speed connections
> under the name Blueyonder IIRC, but I don't know how Linux friendly they are
> and again it does depend on where you live.
>
> HTH
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Re: Evangelism (dep style)

2001-09-07 Thread Matt . Carpenter


Sorry  Wrong address.

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Re: MS Error message Haikus

2001-09-07 Thread Ron White

I love it!
Ron

- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: Re:  MS Error message Haikus


> On Friday 07 September 2001 13:52 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
> > Subject: FW: Microsloth Error Message Haikus
> >
> > In Japan, they have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft
Error
> > messages with Haiku poetry messages.
> >
> > Haiku poetry has strict construction rules. Each poem has only three
lines,
> > 17 syllables: five syllables in the first line, seven in the second,
five
> > in the third.
> >
> > Haikus are used to communicate a timeless message often achieving a
> > wistful, yearning and powerful insight through extreme brevity - the
> > essence of Zen:
> >
>
> --
-
> >-
> >
> > Your file was so big.
> > It might be very useful.
> > But now it is gone.
> >
> > The Web site you seek
> > Cannot be located,
> > but Countless more exist.
> >
> > Chaos reigns within.
> > Reflect, repent, and reboot.
> > Order shall return.
> >
> > Program aborting:
> > Close all that you have worked on.
> > You ask far too much.
> >
> > Windows NT crashed.
> > I am the Blue Screen of Death.
> > No one hears your screams.
> >
> > Yesterday it worked.
> > Today it is not working.
> > Windows is like that.
> >
> > First snow, then silence.
> > This thousand-dollar screen dies
> > So beautifully.
> >
> > The Tao that is seen
> > Is not the true Tao-until
> > You bring fresh toner.
>
> And More:
>
> Three things are certain:
> Death, taxes, and lost data.
> Guess which has occurred.
>
> Everything is gone;
> Your life's work has been destroyed.
>Squeeze trigger (yes/no)?
>
> The code was willing,
> It considered your request,
> But the chips were weak.
>
> Printer not ready.
> Could be a fatal error.
> Have a pen handy?
>
> Errors have occurred.
> We won't tell you where or why.
> Lazy programmers.
>
> Server's poor response.
> Not quick enough for browser.
> Timed out, plum blossom.
>
> This site has been moved.
> We'd tell you where, but then we'd
> have to delete you.
>
> wind catches lily,
> scattering petals to the wind:
> segmentation fault
>
> ABORTED effort:
> Close all that you have.
> You ask way too much.
>
> Stay the patient course
> Of little worth is your ire
> The network is down
>
> You step in the stream,
> but the water has moved on.
> This page is not here.
>
>
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ftp user restrictions

2001-09-07 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

To restrict virtual website owners to their own folders in proftp can I use 
the defaultroot directive globally, like this? Can I follow this with the 
VirtualHost directives like so, to change the setup for accounts on an 
individual basis?
I think this is OK but want to make sure as it is a production box.


AllowChmodon
# Report localtime, not GMT
TimesGMToff
DefaultRoot~
 


DefaultRoot / administrator
DefaultRoot ~/../.. site-adm
DefaultRoot ~ !site-adm
AllowOverwrite  on
DisplayLogin.ftphelp


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Re: MS Error message Haikus

2001-09-07 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Friday 07 September 2001 16:28 pm, Ron White wrote:
> Subject: Re:  MS Error message Haikus

Then all the cat lovers should love this:

CAT HAIKU


Negotiating
No-man's land: carpet alive,
Flea season again

I need a new toy.
tail of black dog keeps good time.
pounce! good dog! good dog!

The rule for today
Touch my tail, I shred your hand
New rule tomorrow

In deep sleep hear sound
cat vomit hairball somewhere
will find in morning

Cat, fearless hunter
leaves 'presents' for me near door
next time I'll wear shoes

Grace personified,
I leap into the window.
I meant to do that.

Night. Now come night-mice.
I chase them 'round on loud feet.
You can't see them too?

Blur of motion, then --
silence, me, a paper bag.
What is so funny?

You never feed me.
Perhaps I'll sleep on your face.
That will sure show you.

The mighty hunter
Returns with gifts of plump birds --
Your foot just squashed one

You must scratch me there!
Yes, above my tail! Behold,
elevator butt.

You're always typing.
Well, let's see you ignore my
sitting on your hands.

My small cardboard box.
You cannot see me if I
can just hide my head.

Terrible battle.
I fought for hours. Come and see!
What's a 'term paper'?

Kitty likes plastic
Confuses for litter box
Don't leave tarp around

Small brave carnivores
Kill pine cones and mosquitoes
Fear vacuum cleaner

Want to trim my claws?
Don't even think about it!
My yelps will wake dead.

I want to be close
To you. Can I fit my head
inside your armpit?

Wanna go outside.
Oh, s***! Help! I got outside!
Let me back inside!

Oh no! Big One
has been trapped by newspaper!
Cat to the rescue!

Humans are so strange.
Mine lies still in bed, then screams!
My claws aren't that sharp ...

Cats meow out of angst
"Thumbs! If only we had thumbs!
We could break so much!"

Litter box not here
You must have moved it again
I'll  in the sink.

The Big Ones snore now
Every room is dark and cold
Time for "Cup Hockey"

We're almost equals
I purr to show I love you
Want to smell my butt?






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Re: MS Error message Haikus

2001-09-07 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Friday 07 September 2001 16:28 pm, Ron White wrote:
> Subject: Re:  MS Error message Haikus

And for Dog lovers

"Dog Haiku"

I love my master;
Thus I perfume myself with
This long-rotten squirrel.

I lie belly-up
In the sunshine, happier than
You ever will be

Today I sniffed
Many dog butts - I celebrate
By kissing your face.

I sound the alarm!
Paperboy - come to kill us all -
Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!   Look!

I sound the alarm!
Mailman Fiend - come to kill us all -
Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!

I sound the alarm!
Meter reader - come to kill all -
Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!

I sound the alarm!
Garbage man - come to kill all -
Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!

I sound the alarm!
Neighbor's cat - come to kill all!
Look!   Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!

I lift my leg and
Wiz on each bush.  Hello, Spot -
Sniff this and weep.

How do I love thee?
The ways are numberless as
My hairs on the rug.

My human is home!
I am so ecstatic I have
Made a puddle.

I hate my choke chain -
Look, world, they strangle me!  Ack
Ack Ack Ack Ack Ack!

Sleeping here, my chin
On your foot - no greater bliss - well,
Maybe catching cats.

Look in my eyes and
Deny it.  No human could
Love you as much I do.

Dig under fence - why?
Because it's there.  Because it's
There.  Because it's there.

I am your best friend,
Now, always, and especially
When you are eating.

You may call them fleas,
But they are far more - I call
Them a vocation.

My owners' mood is
Romantic - I lie near their
Feet.  I blow a big one.






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Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Share-in, Billion Seconds

2001-09-07 Thread Net Llama

Damn, i'd go if i didn't already have plans.

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Re: tar troubles

2001-09-07 Thread Tom Wilson

On Thursday 06 September 2001 11:58 pm, Kurt Wall dropped these nuggets 
of information:
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> > I asked:
> > > What is the output of:
> > >
> > > $ file mail.tar
> >
> > mail.tar: ASCII text, with no line terminators
>
> It's not a tar file, then. Here's the output for a tarball:
>
> $ file test.tar
> test.tar: GNU tar archive
>
> > Thanks.  I appreciate the help.
>
> Try
>
> $ vi -b mail.tar
>
> and see what you can see.
>
> Kurt

The vi -b mail.tar produced the same results as with plain vi.  @'s and 
^'s.  

I beginning to think that last time I did this I bonered it some how.  


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Re: tar troubles

2001-09-07 Thread Tom Wilson

On Friday 07 September 2001 09:36 am, Net Llama dropped these nuggets 
of information:
[snippage]

>
> Oh, well.  I was hoping.  When you created the archive, did you see
> it add all the files?  Is it possible that you used a much newer
> version of tar to create the archive than you're using to extract it?

I thought that too but I changed from eD2.4 to RH7.1 so I figured that 
it would have a newer, or at least the same, version of tar on it that 
eD2.4 does.

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Re: ftp user restrictions - fixed

2001-09-07 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

I added a virtualhost for each domain to the proftpd.conf file.


DefaultRoot ~


Seems to work OK. 
Slap me for wasting bandwidth on a foolish Q.

On Friday 07 September 2001 15:22, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> To restrict virtual website owners to their own folders in proftp can I use
> the defaultroot directive globally, like this? Can I follow this with the
> VirtualHost directives like so, to change the setup for accounts on an
> individual basis?
> I think this is OK but want to make sure as it is a production box.
>
> 
>   AllowChmodon
>   # Report localtime, not GMT
>   TimesGMToff
>   DefaultRoot~
>  
>
> 
>   DefaultRoot / administrator
>   DefaultRoot ~/../.. site-adm
>   DefaultRoot ~ !site-adm
>   AllowOverwrite  on
>   DisplayLogin.ftphelp
> 
>
> thanks

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Re: KDE 2.2 and eD2.4

2001-09-07 Thread Tim Wunder

Previously, Mark Heinrich chose to write:
> I couldn't find any KDE 2.2 rpms for eDesktop 2.4 at kde.org.  Does Caldera
> have these rpms?  TIA
>
> Mark
>
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I'd gotten all but kdemultimedia, kdeaddons, kdeadmin and kdoc compiled from 
eW3.1 SRPMs (still have the RPMs that were made) before I decided to migrate 
to my eW3.1 test (now production) installation. The rpm rebuild process 
crapped out after that. I'm not quite sure why, probably because I had pieces 
of KDE2.1 hanging around mucking things up. You could try rebuilding the 
SRPMs yourself.

HTH, 
Tim


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Re: Updating gcc, et all

2001-09-07 Thread Shawn Tayler

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:38:46 -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote:

>you really should make the move to 2.95.3... it has some fixes that will be 
>necessary should you later choose to use later versions of other things 
>(glibc 2.2.4 comes to mind from a discussion on LFS lists...)

How tough is the move?

stayler

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Re: SuSE Automatic Updates

2001-09-07 Thread Lourens Steenkamp

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:16:04 -0700
Hello Condon from Lourens:

YOU
is the update util used by 7.2


"  Folks,
"  
"  Douglas Hunley wrote an update script for Caldera that worked rather
"  well to
"  keep the security updates installed as soon as they were released. 
"  Has
"  anyone written an equivalent for SuSE?
"  
"  
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