Re: Compare and Contrast
On 18/12/2000 at 10:19 +, Simon Wistow wrote: >Jonathan Stowe wrote: > >> I am beginning to wonder if it is possible to reconstruct this exchange >> from the beginning - there are obviously things being crossposted out of >> (void) that I never saw. Maybe we ought to get this all in one big >> archive. > >We'd need someone with complete archives of (void), London.pm, >yapc::europe and possibly YAS mailing lists from around July 10th >(although tehre are mails from July 7th which is weird 'cos I hadn't >posted the announcement by then). Yeah, but then some people know not the wonder of NTP. I do have archives of the first three (but not YAS), as Simon knows (for we looked through them at the last meeting). Mind you, I'm not entirely sure how good an idea it would be to drag them all out into the open again. Is anyone that interested? -- :: paul :: oven :: lndn :: in the long run, we're :: all dead - jm keynes
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
On 24/12/2000 at 15:05 +, Dean S Wilson wrote: >From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>CPAN.pm and the Makefiles do it all for me. It doesn't matter if I'm >>not happy compiling stuff. > >Which is fine if your a Nix person, those idioms don't hold in the >Windows world. /me does the Mac equivalent of Dean... Mac OS X Public Beta doesn't ship with development tools either (although it does have Perl 5.6). Sure, you can download them for free from Apple, but you have to register (sigh) and it's 65MB (which is fine for us in 2MB leased line land, but for John 56k it's a bit of a pisser). Maybe ActiveState should make PPMs work with OS X... -- :: paul :: oven :: lndn :: gratuitous drum solo
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
On 02/01/2001 at 16:44 +, Mark Fowler wrote: >> > Simon >> > [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot >> >> Frighteningly, this film was actually fairly funny. > >Right, that's it. I'm going to have to compile a list of films that >are crap (or have been reviewed as crap) but are worth seeing, if only so >you get the in-jokes. Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigolo gets my vote. Best if you start about 1/3 of the way in, then watching the beginning, so you see the gags get set up after they've happened. Does Mallrats fit into the same category as Empire Records (ie got crap reviews, actually quite good) -- :: paul :: oven :: lndn :: gratuitous drum solo
Re: FOOD
On 04/01/2001 at 11:10 +, David Hodgkinson wrote: >Chris Heathcote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> on 4/1/01 11:03 am, David Hodgkinson wrote: >> >> > Anyone fancy dim sum shortly? >> >> What, when McDonalds are doing 2-for-1? ;) > >Barf. Yeah, everyone knows Burger King are better :O) -- :: paul :: oven :: lndn :: gratuitous drum solo
Re: Books
On 04/01/2001 at 13:59 +, David Hodgkinson wrote: >Struan Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> er, what's wrong with foyles if it's not a silly question? > >Insane filing system > >Legendarily unhelpful staff > >It smells funny No built in coffee shop. Not that that's really that important of course, although I would like to go the the 5th floor bar in Waterstones Piccadilly sometime. -- :: paul :: oven :: lndn :: gratuitous drum solo
RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
On 05/01/2001 at 09:34 +, Matthew Jones wrote: >Why would anyopne need more than kung fu to enjoy a fillum? I dunno. Plot? >"Crouching Tiger - Hidden Dragon" is best film of 2000 for my money. >Breasts >are an optional bonus. Am I going to get slapped down for saying that? Hey, it's that fun American release/UK release argument again (since CTHD isn't out here until... well, actually it's today. The Guardian like it too, fwiw. No-one mentioned Titus (they dropped the Andronicus bit for some reason for the film version). I liked it. I thought they'd added the grim bits and was a bit shocked to find that they were all Will's fault. Wins the Romeo And Juliet Production Design award too. -- :: paul :: and if you refuse to believe :: you will be cast into the void
RE: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary
On 08/01/2001 at 11:03 +, dcross - David Cross wrote: >Somewhere between 20 and 30 if recent meetings are any guide. The presence >of MJD might bump that up a bit I suppose. > >Can you wait until tomorrow before calling them to give people a chance to >object to coming south of the river. The East London posse (well, me anyway :O) isn't likely to object. There's those shiny JLE station to use, lovely tiny Jubilee trains to carry us come, then hopefully the Magic Pixies can carry me through East Ham like they usually do once I succumb to the TVRs. It's scary how I've never overslept on the Tube. Obviously one day I'll end up in Upminster after the last train's gone; then I'll blame the Pixies. Nasty things. Did I mention how nifty the JLE is? Oh. Sorry. -- :: paul :: and if you refuse to believe :: you will be cast into the void
Re: blibble
On 05/01/2001 at 07:54 +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: >On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > >> You know you're drunk when, faced with the problem of getting through >> an underground ticket gate, you get out your house keys and start >>fiddling >> with them looking for the right one. > >Look you can operate a computer and type coherently, it can't be all that >bad :) > >And fuck me I'm at work Me too. Doing the happy unsub/resub thing (and, cough, posting test messages to mailing lists as a result. Hmm. Need some content now...) Oh yes, just to remind the other members of the t-shirt subcommitee that the colours have been decided on and the relevant people need the relevant bits and pieces, notably Dave, but then he's about to collect the machine with the image files on anyway (and I can let you know the locations in a private mail.) Yeah, that's content. It'll do. -- :: paul :: and if you refuse to believe :: you will be cast into the void
Re: OT : DVD
On 15/01/2001 at 21:12 +, mallum wrote: ^ Your clock's wrong... -- :: paul :: and if you refuse to believe :: you will be cast into the void
Re: Amazon Sales Rank
On 01/02/2001 at 13:44 +, Struan Donald wrote:
>* at 01/02 08:35 -0500 Dave Cross said:
>> Data Munging with Perl
>> by David Cross
>>
>> Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760
>>
>> Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867!
>
>a day in the life of a famous perl author:
>
>goto: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930110006/
>
>while (1){
> look at sales rank
Didn't the case of 'A Fist In the Bush' prove that Amazon's "Sales"
rankings are actually down to how many people look at things?
hoping *this* email has the right From: headers;
--
:: paul
:: they don't come at you with guns
:: they come at you with smiles
Re: Perl Books
On 01/02/2001 at 10:03 +, Robert Shiels wrote: >Just had a look at the PC Bookshops website (www.pcbooks.co.uk). >Didn't they >used to have a way of finding out whether the book was actually on the >shelf >or not - I may drop in there today on my way south of the river (Oh, the >shame) and wanted to plan my potential purchase. I was in there yesterday (working in Central London)++ and there was one copy in the Holborn shop. They didn't seem to have Programming Internet Email or DMP though. (When does Foyles close in the evenings anyway? I was pleasantly surprised when I went in there last week. Lots of tube books too.) -- :: paul :: they don't come at you with guns :: they come at you with smiles
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On 12/02/2001 at 18:55 +, David H. Adler wrote: >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:44:04PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: >> >> talking of organisational skills, dave (ad) how would you fancy >> being a london.pm organiser for the london.pm trip to ny.pm? >> >> we seem to have problems getting anyone to take this to >> completion > >Well, what dates do you want to look at? That's probably the best >starting point. After that, we can start talking about options. Ok, this is me semi-formally being stupid and taking this on. Although if Simon wants to stand by >If not I'll have a crack at doing it. Or doing it jointly. Or whatever. >[who has a vested interest in getting this done fast] I'll welcome the help. My ideal for dates would be either side of Easter, but fairly obviously not Easter itself. Leon suggested in the pub [0] 5 days is the optimum length, and I gather that would be over a Saturday for airfare reasons, so how about (rummage, cal) Wed 25 April - Mon 30 April? Either that, or the same days a week later. We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments? Greg, if you send me the list of names and addresses I'd be chuffed. (Anyone who didn't email Greg, let me know). Given that sort of info, how much is this likely to cost? Dave? Dave? Dave? Bueller? [0] Where else? (Oh yeah, drugs are bad, m'kay?) -- :: paul :: blech on rhizomatic.net (heh heh heh) :: promised a trip to NY by a client who went bust :: while working for an agency that went bust
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying >> in motion... >> >> About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? > >i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). -- :: paul :: they don't come at you with guns :: they come at you with smiles
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On 12/02/2001 at 19:59 +, David H. Adler wrote: >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:37:14PM +0000, Paul Mison wrote: >> On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: >> > David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> > >> >> Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the >>querying >> >> in motion... >> >> >> >> About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? >> > >> >i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) >> >> Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their >> minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). > >FWIW, 10 is commonly the minimum for a "group". A group rate isn't the >only way to go, but it's one option... Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. Well, of the list, I'd be surprised if that many dropped out, and I had stupidly forgotten Grep's interest, so that takes us up to 12. Which may be enough to guarantee a group. Aah, tricksy. How much work is it to look at both options? -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: t-shirts
On 21/02/2001 at 12:26 +, Michael Stevens wrote: >ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US Yeah, this would have been OK if you'd printed them on Friday morning, and they were disposable. This sort of meme just does the rounds too rapidly. I mean, how much would you laugh at someone wearing a 'I am Mahir, Kiss Me Now' or whatever it was tshirt now? (For the uninitiated, AYBABTU: http://linux.nextdimensioninc.com/AYB2.swf http://www.toaplan.com/zerowing/ http://www.classicgaming.com/vault/roms/arcaderoms.ZeroWing34735.shtml http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~diehlr/base.jpg http://members.nbci.com/finagler/base/ ) -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third >level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) Full list, courtesy Robin and IRC: perform dig @ns1.nic.uk uk axfr on your Unix box of choice. >Silly registrars. Silly rules. Some registrars are sillier than others. -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: Overheard on IRC
On 27/02/2001 at 10:46 +, Simon Wistow wrote: >ALL YOUR DCONWAY ARE BELONG TO US My more idiomatic expression of Aaron's 'All your Damien Conway are belong to us'. (Using the CPAN ID was natural; hmm, maybe in the next weekly summary...) >yet another t-shirt idea methinks as is Jonathon Stowe's ALL YOUR BASE CLASSES ARE BELONG TO US (although I'd s/ES\b//; to make it sound more Engrish.) Also, after seeing Fight Club again on Friday: Front: You are not your email address Back : You are not your irc nick Alternative: You are not your login (doesn't work as well, I reckon; maybe 'you are not your shell accounts'?). -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: if we can make it there, we can make it anywhere
On 04/03/2001 at 15:20 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: >After I cunningly (as cunning as a bear who had just graduated from >the school of obviousness) passed off the organisation of the NY.pm >invasion there was yet again another burst of enthusiasm for it, and >now it appears to have once again fallen off, where are we on this? Calm down, calm down, it's all in hand. I've still got a list of interested parties; I emailled everyone about a fortnight ago to get some idea of what was wanted. Once I'd got the replies sorted, I emailled dha's mum Lucille, who has sadly been knocked down for the last week or so because of pneumonia. Apparently she'll be OK and has mentioned the trip, so I should hear something by the heretics meeting. If not, I'll have to go to a travel agents here and try to organise something myself. >I ask because I quite fancy a trip to NY soon and would hate to go >myself only to find that London.pm en masse had organised themselves >into going. Indeed. Don't worry. The date now seems fixed-ish at 25 April - 30 April, so if you can keep those dates free it'd be cool. Anyone else who wants to join in should email me offlist so I can keep you posted. -- :: paul :: you are not your email address
[social] London Walk
As you may be aware, some members of (void) are doing a London Walk on Sunday. If you'd like to join the 12 comitted nutters already taking part, we congregate at Alexandra Palace rail station, North London, at 6.00 am, and proceed southwards along a single column of the A-Z until sunset (with, probably, a lot of breaks for food and drink). Note that the tubes and overground won't be working at this time in the morning, so you're reliant on taxis or night buses to get there. We'll cross the river at Vauxhall Bridge and continue southwards to Streatham or Morden, finishing at sunset, 18:00. Yes, that's right, this is a 12 hour walk. I said committed nutters. If you want to join in or meet us along the way, get in touch offlist before Saturday. -- :: paul :: this world's crazy, give me the gun
Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On 20/03/2001 at 16:40 +, Michael Stevens wrote: >On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: >> At 16:29 20/03/2001 +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: >> > > a) a two reasons why this module should never have been written, and >> >2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in >>favour of DD >> >MM YY which is more sensible. >> Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. > >And sorts more nicely too. and is a dessert topping *and* a floor wax. Or -MM-DD, for those who've forgotten the media panic 18 months ago. ISO dates all the way, baby! -- :: paul :: this world's crazy, give me the gun
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On 28/03/2001 at 13:23 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: >At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:09:37 +0100, Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >[London phone codes] > >> It was origially 01 ne c'est pas? Then it changed to 071 (Inner >> London) and 081 (Greater London) then it changed to 0171 and 0181 and >> then finally to 020 7xxx and 020 8xxx > >And all of those changes have happened in the last 10 >(12? I'm guessing here) years. > >And each time we've been told that the changes will cope with the >demand for phone numbers for many years. Which has been a lie. It would have done if Oftel had done things properly; instead they somehow managed to create between 10 and 20 times more numbers and still fuck things up. The US approach (longer local numbers- everywhere is 7 digits now, prepended by a three digit 'city' code) combined with the fact there was room to expand the three digit codes (Microserfs buffs will note that this is because they used to all be \d[01]\d, and now they're \d\d\d) seems to have worked well, as new numbers in, say, outer New York just have different area codes. There must have been *some* way Oftel could have made something similar work here. -- :: paul :: this world's crazy, give me the gun
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: >Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape < >3.0? Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I *think* IE3 also did Java, about May '96. anyway, most client side interaction seems to be done with Flash anyway -- :: paul :: this world's crazy, give me the gun
Re: Social Meeting
On 29/03/2001 at 14:14 +0100, Natalie Ford wrote: >At 11:27 29/03/01, Greg McCarroll wrote: >>the one -ive point is that foods expensive there, if it had the >>cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub >>food (hot pies etc.) > >I haven't been to the Anchor but cheeep foood goood! Anchor food nice, but 30 quid and sitting upstairs is perhaps a once a year thing. They didn't do any bar food at all last heretic's meeting. Yeah, I'll go to almost anything organised by a mailing list. Even if it involves getting up at 5.30 in the morning. -- :: paul :: this world's crazy, give me the gun
Re: CPAN Logo
On 29/03/2001 at 16:12 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: >when did CPAN get a funky new logo ... > >http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg When all the #perl regulars got TiPBs [0] and got infected by the Make Things Look Nice (Macintosh Sub Version) meme? [0] TiPB =is= a Titanium Powerbook and writing it like that's a lot better than calling them Tits (and we've done all the jokes already ta) -- :: paul :: this world's crazy, give me the gun
Re: Crazy Idea
On 03/04/2001 at 16:40 +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: >On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Dean wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: >> > How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out >> >> I'll come if we can have marshmallows ;) > >Mmm. I shall bring Mr Pointy. All subject to FMD of course. 'Britain is open for business. That means you can visit cities, towns, villages and thousands of places all over the country just as you have always done, and more places are opening each day. A day out, or a weekend break, or a longer holiday can still be enormous fun, and just as relaxing as it ever was.' http://www.openbritain.gov.uk/ Anyway, this fails on the 'crazy' test unless dawn til dusk walks are included as part of a healthy regime. -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: >From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one. > >There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of >them :) > >Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone? Yes, but I'm keeping them hidden for the grand unveiling. Of course, if anyone else stumbles across the location and/or IRC logs and feels like posting them, I can hardly stop them, but maybe we should use the fact people have forgotten to build up a sense of mystique? Neil mentioned the colours- I'm just about to trawl my archive and send them directly to Simon (as I've been doing for bits and bats all morning... no need to make the list far too busy). -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: >From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one. > >There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of >them :) > >Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone? Yes, but I'm keeping them hidden for the grand unveiling. Of course, if anyone else stumbles across the location and/or IRC logs and feels like posting them, I can hardly stop them, but maybe we should use the fact people have forgotten to build up a sense of mystique? Neil mentioned the colours- I'm just about to trawl my archive and send them directly to Simon (as I've been doing for bits and bats all morning... no need to make the list far too busy). -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
RE: TPJ Reborn
On 11/04/2001 at 16:50 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >++ > >:p If you're going to do IRC style karma-ing, at least make sure there's a bot present. (I'm not even going to mention the smiley. Damn.) And in other news, davorg himself gets a mention on use.perl.org for finding (linking? sending in?) the article on Simon Cozen's Parrot groundwork. Nice one, nominal leader. -- :: paul :: despair.com
RE: Komodo
On 18/04/2001 at 15:58 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: >I mean how the hell do you install CPAN packges on EPOC perl or >Mac Perl or any other platform that doesn't smell of Unix? On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac. XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is possible to do it if you know enough Mac-oriented C programming. Apparently it's all changing with MacPerl 5.6.1 which is much closer to Perl 5.6.1, as p5p people may be noticing. OS X just uses CPAN like any other *nix, more or less. -- :: paul :: becoming the Mac OS 9 recidivist on yet another list
Re: Komodo
On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote: >On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: >> On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac. >> XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can > >> deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is >> possible to do it if you know enough Mac-oriented C programming. > >Whats MPW? Macintosh Programmer's Workshop: in the full version, includes a shell (yes, on a Mac OS before X!), C and C++ compiler, and various other shellish things. It's free too. (Free as in beer, anyway.) http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ >> OS X just uses CPAN like any other *nix, more or less. > >Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then? Yes, but they're not installed by default. (I can't remember if the 'BSD subsystem' is installed by default either though.) It comes on a seperate CD within the OS X shrinkwrap box- you also get OS 9 and OS X base install. You also get ProjectBuilder IDE. http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/ -- :: paul :: fairly clueless with Windows these days
Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)
On 19/04/2001 at 13:04 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: >On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: >> This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. > >Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a lot. Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too... -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month
On 20/04/2001 at 16:47 +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: > >> 5/2/2001 Pizza Express London, England > >Which Pizza Express ? As far as I know the only one that does live jazz is the one on Dean Street. Um, just to make this not a one-liner: davorg, are you going to post the decision of the emergency meeting meeting? -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
On 03/05/2001 at 13:56 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote parenthetically: >some of London.pm were over in NYC - is anyone going to write a report? Yes, eventually; I sent a message about this earlier but forgot to mung the sender address so it'll need approving (Mr Stowe?) but the plan is photos and some text at some point. -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
RE: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this
On 03/05/2001 at 09:14 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: >> On the subject of C.C., let me just say that last night's Angel had >> her in a bikini for an exploitative commercial she was in. > >For those of you following on Sky One, remember that you're only ten days >behind the US right now - so that episode will be shown a week on Friday. Yes, I finally found out that new Buffy and Angel are shown on Tuesday nights in the US, the one day of the week we weren't there. (On that subject, thanks to David Adler for the hospitality, and to Lucille for all the organisation, and to NY for being big and not too scary, and to the other London.pm-ers who made it over so I wasn't freaked out by exploring something on my own.) I'll try to sort out photos (although I didn't take any at NY.pm) and some sort of documentary web page, for anyone who cares, at some point in the next, sigh, four weeks? Unlike celia, who's got some up anyway (and they're probably better too: http://shadowgirl.net/photos/NYC-apr-2001/). -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
(OT) constrained walk
As was discussed (after Greg and the steak posse had left last night), there may be a second constrained walk (following on from the epic London Walk, somewhat documented on http://husk.org/lndn/walk/), probably around the stations above the Circle Line, sometime in the next two or three weeks. I estimate it'd be between six and eight hours of walking, but as we've now done one walk starting at sunrise, I thought it'd be fine to start it a little later in the day; there's probably going to be debate about where to start and which direction to walk in too. To save London.pm from this distraction, I've (finally, cheers Evil) set up the long threatened crisps mailing list for potential walkers; email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body subscribe crisps to join, if you're interested in taking part in this or other walks. -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: (OT) constrained walk
On 11/05/2001 at 15:55 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: >Paul Mison wrote: >> email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >invalid MX record My DNS service provider (waves at the happy people, they know who they are) are endevouring to fix this at the moment. Try again on Monday when I'll put a bit more effort into fixing this. I see you managed to subscribe anyway; I ph34r y0ur l33t 5M7P sk1llz. -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: (OT) constrained walk
On 11/05/2001 at 16:17 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: >Paul Mison wrote: >> there may be a second constrained walk > >What's a "constrained walk"? This is covered in London Walking by Simon Pope (which is where celia read about it, which prompted me and Robin to organise it); his idea was to walk from sunrise to sunset, east to west, along a single row of the A-Z (the proper edition, with the expanded map of Central London in the middle). We [0] took his idea, moved the time of year (he did it in December, so it was only about 9 hours; we did it in March, so it was more like 12), turned it around so it was north to south, and managed to get a lot more people involved. Amazingly, it seemed to be fun, so we're doing it again. This time, the constraint is the route; we'll be trying to walk around the Circle line, either trying to follow it as closely as possible or just walking between the stations. (We're deciding that on crisps, when it works.) -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: (OT) constrained walk
On 11/05/2001 at 16:46 +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: >On Fri, 11 May 2001, Chris Heathcote wrote: >> Has anyone got a proper lundun map with tube lines indicated... that >>would >> be just chops. > >There are machines in the tube that sell them. Ah, yes, I remember now; I think I have two (someone abandoned one at an old workplace, so I nicked it). Slightly better resolution would be nice, though- I might try the Transport Museum at some point, as it's near where I work. Hmm, wonder how much a 'get in as many times you like for a year' ticket is? Only fifteen pounds? Hmm. http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/news/friindiv.html # bit poo but eventually says -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: pc components
On 17/05/2001 at 10:57 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: >Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components, >i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+). Simply? Dabs? Although the former spam you a bit, and have atrocious site design, and the latter have a ridiculously involved online buying procedure- 'specify address', 'specify alternate address', 'specify payment options'... http://www.simply.co.uk/ http://www.dabs.com/ You could also try *warehouse, but I've not used them recently. http://www.computerwarehouse.co.uk/ Thinking of big hard drives... http://www.dabs.com/products/compare.asp?action=selected&prodtype=14 Nice feature. -- :: paul :: 'it's time to take a swim in Lake You'
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-14
On 18/05/2001 at 12:21 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: >Paul Mison posted about organising a second constrained walk: >http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05221.html Oops, just noticed the dangling footnote. Is the length of time between post and footnote a record? [0] Me, Simon Wistow, Jo Walsh and Robin Houston all took part, as did some (void) people (who may also be lurking here). -- :: paul :: sigs take time
Re: Long shot
On 21/05/2001 at 14:15 +0100, Mike Wyer wrote: >On Mon, 21 May 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: >>I use Outlook Express, I like it a lot. It works for me. > >Much badness. We are withdrawing Outlook and associates from all our >Windows machines as soon as we have weaned the secretaries off it. It is >an administrative nightmare, and the source of more viri than any other >component on our systems (NT and Linux). > >In a networked environment, it is the Devil incarnate. > >Standalone, you might be ok. The interface may be nice, but the code has >more design flaws and vulnerabilities than a very buggy thing. Isn't there a lot of difference between Outlook- big, bloaty, part of Office, designed for Exchange- and Outlook Express- biggish, bloatish, but doesn't talk so many non-standard protocols, and can even do IMAP over SSH? There definitely is a difference on the Mac, because you can't get Outlook, only something quite like it called Entourage, and OE doesn't talk to Exchange servers. As to the security holes, well, if you're conenecting to decent SMTP and IMAP/POP servers, rather than Exchange, and you don't go around randomly doubleclicking stuff, and switch off the autoexecute options, surely there's not that much difference between OE and Netscape? Hmm, that seems like a bit of work, really. Mind you, I'm still using Eudora 3 Light for the Mac, so I wouldn't trust my opinion. Maybe part of the problem Eudora has on Windows is, like Photoshop, it's sacrificed too much to the Windows interface guidelines, whereas it just looks (and works) right on Mac OS, where you can scatter windows about with much more abandon under an all-embracing menu bar. (Sorry, getting all flowery.) -- :: paul :: sigs take time
Re: Election Manifestos
On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: >the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of >parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang >on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK >.. perhaps someting more subtle then ;) For whom? Guy Fawkes and co came off badly, and the next 85 years were hardly a bundle of laughs (rising discontent, civil war, puritan dictatorship, baudy restoration, tension) but it ended in a Bill of Rights that led to what's arguably the first constituitonal monarchy in the modern world. Um, sorry, had a minor burst of 17th century history. Won't happen again. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
On 25/05/2001 at 15:08 +0100, will wrote: >> In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate >> at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short >> period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses >> that may infect the animals. > >Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with >countries when you have vaccinated the animals. Vaccinated animals can >still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to >get it. >Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling >infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated >againsed the >infection. The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP last year. Tourism makes billions. The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
On 25/05/2001 at 15:40 +0100, will wrote: >> The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP >> last year. Tourism makes billions. >> >> The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat. > >So a program of vaccination and slaughter to erradicate the disease will >firstly benefit the tourist industry and then also the meat market. Not >that I am a big fan of farmers or the countryside alliance types (and that >is being generous) but I think it would be the best solution all >round. Ooo >ar. No, because the sheer amount of fuss made over F&M clobbered the tourist industry- possibly for years, although this is admittely anecdotal and predictive- whereas if we'd quietly vaccinated, accepted no meat exports for a year, and then let the farming industry get back on its feet, we'd not have had to kill *three million* animals, and poison water, and close footpaths, and the tourist industry wouldn't have suffered the way it has over the last couple of months. So, why insist on the 'slaughter' bit? -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: geek movie _Center of the World_ (was Re: Sara Cox - wasRe: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women
On 29/05/2001 at 18:04 +0100, Yeoh Yiu wrote: >So have you seen _Center of the World_ yet ? Nah, 'cos it's not out here yet. No release date is listed on IMDB. Salon didn't like it, though: http://www.salon.com/tech/review/2001/04/19/center_of_the_world/index.html which I read as I Fear Not the Spoiler, and I was in NY at the time, heinously disconnected from the Web and the ability to AvantGo sync, and other nettish goodness. Of course, I could have gone to see it then, but the dazzling skyscrapers and lure of beer tempted me. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: Slow disks under linux
On 31/05/2001 at 17:41 +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: >You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors >around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one >monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor >to the right.) > >You can't do that in Windows. Ha. Are you sure? Anyway, you've been able to do multiple monitors in Mac OS since 6 point something tiny. With as many monitors as you can get cards for (theoretically, I think there are ways of doing about 20.) And all with an idiotproof pointy clicky interface. Ha ha. And it copes when you make a laptop go from dual-head back to running on the internal screen- all the windows just move back. (Under OS 9, anyway.) Aha ha ha! Sorry. I'll drink some more Unix kool aid in a minute. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: crazy golf
On 01/06/2001 at 13:03 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: >so when is the next bang holiday weekend? 2001-08-27. Hence the crazy golf must be on 2001-08-25. (Palm Desktop)++ The next one after that is in December. (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.) -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
RE: crazy golf
On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: >From: Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM > >> (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? >> I'd buy that for a dollar.) > >Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday >on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day >wasn't it? Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point, coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka Whitsun) Bank Holiday. (Thankfully the same arguments tend to work against St George's Day as a bank holiday- far too jingoistic). Unfortunately it's the only one of those three I care about. Anyway, Trafalgar Day would be in October- that's a shite idea, the weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US Independence Day? We've imported plenty of other ideas from them. Hmm. Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry. (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) (Wondering if this shouldn't cross the (void)/london-lists osmosis barrier) [0] Well, I, but I'm probably not alone here. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1LAST NIGHT
On 02/06/2001 at 19:27 +0100, Mike Jarvis wrote: >Saturday, June 02, 2001, 5:58:44 AM, Greg McCarroll wrote: > >GM> * James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:19:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: >>> > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll >>>([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* >>> > > *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* >>> > > *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she >>> > > will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show >>>credits/ >>> > > theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there >>>would of been >>> > > a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the >>>wife she >>> > > used the phrase ``clutching at straws'' >>> > >>> > Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more >>>series? >>> > >>> >>> BAH! >>> > >GM> The main bummer after last nights episode is that glory is dead, >and i was >GM> just starting to warm to her, only she wasn't quite psychotic >enough. ;-) > > >from salon.com >http://www.salon.com/ent/col/mill/2001/05/29/finales_2001/index3.html Interesting article, that. So's the one from earlier in the year when Buffy's Mom [0] died. [snip stuff as Eudora didn't wrap it right...] >in an interview with TV Guide Online. http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/010524a.asp if you're interested. >Did you know that Giles is getting a BBC spinoff? Yeah, it was in NTK and everything. Although the URL is coming up 404 now. (Leon also put it in the weekly summary, and stuff.) (The great thing about not watching TV is you don't have to worry about spoilers. I mean, from what I've heard, the ending of Voyager) [0] Honoring [1] American spellings here [1] and here -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: Religion
On 06/06/2001 at 10:47 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: >On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:54:04 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: >> however Sir Arnold Bax [1] got slightly closer to the truth: >> >> "One should try everything once, except incest and folk dancing" >Bah, I had it in my sig file (now amended) as Sir Thomas Beecham. However, >see the bottom of http://www.paston.co.uk/ukppg/kempsmen.html for a bit of >investigation. Argh! Paston Chase! Norwich! Make the memories stop, Daddy! On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people, considering how early in the morning it was.) >Incidentally, why won't AltaVista find any pages containing "arnold bax"? >(or "arnold", or "bax", for that matter) I think you'll find everyone's using Google these days, cos it's not shit. AV looks borked to me. -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Re: Religion
On 06/06/2001 at 11:27 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: >On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Paul Mison wrote: >> On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men >> outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out >> it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people, >> considering how early in the morning it was.) > >why do you find it strange .. Morrismen are odd to start with, the fact >that they get up early in the morning too should comea s no surprise ... I meant the crowd watching them. Didn't they have better things to do? (My excuse is that work was locked and they didn't give me a key. Which is silly, since if you have people who want to come in and work over the weekend, early in the morning or late at night, you should encourage them, right? No wonder the company has now died.) -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: >Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. >Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good >shop, >or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there. Mind you, I'm no good at the haggling thing, so YMMV. -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On 07/06/2001 at 11:12 +0100, Tony Kennick wrote: >2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of >zoom, >just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real >want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life. Morgans? http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/default.asp?Category=11 It's on New Oxford Street, so possibly you can have a look before the meet tonight. They have second hand and refurb laptops of various vintages (right back to bogstandard Pentiums, iirc.) -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
On 08/06/2001 at 12:30 +0100, David Cantrell wrote: >... and some not so pretty pictures. > >http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/london.pm/2001-06-07/ Bah. Too many of me. And not enough of you here: http://husk.org/perl/pics/ Warning: dislike of flash may lead to fuzzyness and light trails. -- :: paul :: 'aggressive is a big M - and the misses generally :: don't survive aeroplane crashes.' dadadodo
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
On 11/06/2001 at 11:10 +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: >Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> http://husk.org/perl/pics/ >http://www.well.com/user/pdcawley/misc_images/ > >But I may be biased. Nah, they are nice. But you've been selective, I'm assuming (unless you've just taken seven photos in your entire life) whereas I just upload all of my photos (except the ones in NY), so they're all available for ridicule. -- :: paul :: 'aggressive is a big M - and the misses generally :: don't survive aeroplane crashes.' dadadodo
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
On 11/06/2001 at 12:46 +0100, Ian Brayshaw wrote: >Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Not very perlish I'm afraid. > >a) I'm sure that will change in time (any camel shots?). http://husk.org/lndn/circ/compat/DSCF0102.jpg See, the advantages of posting everything. -- :: paul :: 'aggressive is a big M - and the misses generally :: don't survive aeroplane crashes.' dadadodo
Re: YAPC::Europe
On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, Dean wrote: >Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together >or is >the whole thing going to be ad hoc? Not yet, no. (Oh, and what are the cheapest flights from London City? Living in skanky East London's got to be good for *something*.) >I know i asked this before but with the success of the NY trip i was >hoping >someone would be feeling ambitious and volenter... (Although i worked at >Oven and hence can't organize a pissup in a brewery :)) Organising anything for London.pm once a year is enough. (Oh, did the pub evaluation sessions happen this week, or did I miss something?) Anyway, I thought Oven's pissup/brewery exercise went very well, although it could be no-one remembers because of absinthe poisoning. On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, David Cantrell wrote: >That's odd, I'm sure I remember Oven doing at least that one thing well! See, that absinthe's powerful stuff. -- :: paul :: 'aggressive is a big M - and the misses generally :: don't survive aeroplane crashes.' dadadodo
RE: early peek at a bit of fun
On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: >> (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was >> he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.) > >Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in >Australia. > >Leon, how about a london.pm world map :) Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd be easy. -- :: paul :: 'aggressive is a big M - and the misses generally :: don't survive aeroplane crashes.' dadadodo
