[PUB] Report on the Calthorpe Arms

[Kate L Pugh]

Some of us went to the Calthorpe Arms last Thursday, to see if it
would be suitable for a future social meet.

Good points:

- Good beer (it's a Young's pub).  We were mostly drinking Waggledance,
  at GBP2.30/pint. They also had bottles of Chocolate Stout, Winter Warmer
  and Special London Ale.

- Function room is big enough; it's certainly at least the size of the
  area we generally squeeze ourselves into at the CoY, though it doesn't
  have the advantage of quieter sections to retreat to.  It's also not
  underground.  And we can have it for free.

- Food is served till 9pm and is cheap (most expensive thing I remember is
  the "specials" at GBP4.50).

Bad points:

- The food's not great.  The omnivore food seemed to be all deep-fried,
  including Leon's "steak".  The veggie option (stuffed roast marrow)
  wasn't bad, though.

- The loos are on the ground floor, whereas the function room is upstairs,
  but there is a handrail on the staircase and the loos are practically at
  the bottom of it.


Comments?

Kake

[ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Paul Mison]

There will be a technical meeting this Thursday (the 18th) at the
Angel, a pub near Old Street (note that this is a change from the
previous venue). We'll meet at 6.30 for a 7pm start.

Talks planned are:

Leon Brocard: "CPAN Modules I Hate and CPAN Modules I Like"
Chris Ball:   "Magicpoint: A meta-presentation"
Dave Cross:   "Idiomatic Perl" (another extract)
Jo Walsh: "Why bots and the semantic web will change the world.
Paul Mison:   "The One Where I Bore You To Death About Scribot"
Pierre Denis: "A Talk About Vx"

The Angel is on the corner of City Road and Leonard Street:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532783&Y=182390&A=Y&Z=1

The nearest tube station is Old Street, on the City branch of the
Northern line. (At the time of writing, a tube strike is planned for
8pm Wednesday to 8pm Thursday:
http://thetube.com/content/pressreleases/0207/10.asp)

Nearest buses are the number 55 and 243 from the West End, 76 from
Waterloo and 43 from London Bridge/Islington.

Hope to see you there.

--
:: paul
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Taylor James]

>From: Paul Mison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>The nearest tube station is Old Street,

Is there not still a tube strike planned for Thursday?

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Re: [PUB] Report on the Calthorpe Arms

[Paul Mison]

On 15/07/2002 at 12:32 +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote:
>Some of us went to the Calthorpe Arms last Thursday, to see if it
>would be suitable for a future social meet.

Wasn't it Wednesday? Not that it's important, though.

>- Function room is big enough; it's certainly at least the size of the
>  area we generally squeeze ourselves into at the CoY, though it doesn't
>  have the advantage of quieter sections to retreat to.  It's also not
>  underground.  And we can have it for free.

I thought it smelt a bit funny, but it's probably just pubbish.

>- The food's not great.  The omnivore food seemed to be all deep-fried,
>  including Leon's "steak".  The veggie option (stuffed roast marrow)
>  wasn't bad, though.

I quite liked my food, but I'm not particularly worried about food quality.

>Comments?

Thanks for writing this up.

I'm minded to go here for the next social, on the 8th of August,
despite the beer festival going on, because I think more people will go
to a pub social than to a pay-to-get-in event.

Speak now, or hold your peace.

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Re: [PUB] Report on the Calthorpe Arms

[Nicholas Clark]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:28:53PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
> I'm minded to go here for the next social, on the 8th of August,
> despite the beer festival going on, because I think more people will go
> to a pub social than to a pay-to-get-in event.
> 
> Speak now, or hold your peace.

I am more likely to go to a pub social than a pay-to-get-in event.
Even if the beer is better at the event.

However, there is only one of me and I don't speak for the silent majority
on this list.

I must comment the intrepid pub explorers for their noble sacrifices made
in the quest for finding a better social meeting location. But I'm not going
to sponsor them :-)

Nicholas Clark

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:58:38PM +0100, Mark Fowler typed:

>I've had it up to here[1] with tube strikes and trying to work round them.  
>Are we ever going to solve these matters, or are tube strikes going to 
>become something we're all going to have to start living with?  In which 
>case we'd better just get used to living with them

Tube drivers have been technically obsolete for about twenty years now;
they're only there to reassure passengers that there's a Real Human in
the control loop. It's not entirely surprising that they get a bit
narked at times.

Roger

RE: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Taylor James wrote:

> Is there not still a tube strike planned for Thursday?

Is there?  Crap.

I've had it up to here[1] with tube strikes and trying to work round them.  
Are we ever going to solve these matters, or are tube strikes going to 
become something we're all going to have to start living with?  In which 
case we'd better just get used to living with them

Anyway, don't they:

 a) always get cancled at the last moment

 b) go ahead by not make that much difference?

 c) not drastically effect turnout anyway - those people who are 
determined to come will come anyway, those that arn't won't.

But then again, I shall catch the bus or walk to the the pub, so ignore 
what I have to say.

Mark.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Chris Ball]

> "Paul" == Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Paul> There will be a technical meeting this Thursday (the 18th) at
Paul> the Angel, a pub near Old Street (note that this is a change
Paul> from the previous venue). We'll meet at 6.30 for a 7pm start.

For anyone planning to be annoyed with me for a venue change so close to
the date of the meet, I didn't know the old venue had pulled out.  Or
that we'd found a new one.  Etc.  I don't even know who's organised
the new venue, but it wasn't me.

Regardless, hope to see you all there.

- Chris.
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Re: [PUB] Report on the Calthorpe Arms

[Ali]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
> I'm minded to go here for the next social, on the 8th of August,
> despite the beer festival going on, because I think more people will go
> to a pub social than to a pay-to-get-in event.
> 
> Speak now, or hold your peace.
> 
> --
> :: paul
> :: dave staugas loves bea hablig
> 
> 
> 

I would go to the beer festival, but I'm happy to stick with the
majority. We don't need Yet Another Heretics Group ;)

Ali

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Jonathan Peterson]

> Tube drivers have been technically obsolete for about twenty years now;
> they're only there to reassure passengers that there's a Real Human in
> the control loop. It's not entirely surprising that they get a bit
> narked at times.

I think some lines still need them, but not many. Anyway, without the 
tube drivers who would give us sarcastic updates about delays caused by 
signal failures?

Instead of a tube driver on the train there should be a policeman. That 
would almost certainly improve the safety of the system as a whole.

-- 
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Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Barbie]

In the event that I actually make it down on Thursday, is there a direct bus
route from Euston to The Angel, or is a taxi a better option. If the latter,
any ideas as to how much I can expect to be charged?

Hopefully the tubes are still running as it's only 2 stops from Euston :)

Barbie.

Re: Proposed Vote on Social Meeting

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Mark Fowler wrote:

> The choices are:
> 
>  a) Meeting at the beer festival
>  b) Meeting at a pub.  Paul, what was the other pub again?

c) abstention.

It'd be also helpful if you voted with "I don't care, I'll turn up to 
either" if you don't have a preference

Mark.

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Proposed Vote on Social Meeting

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Ali wrote:

> I would go to the beer festival, but I'm happy to stick with the
> majority. We don't need Yet Another Heretics Group ;)

Okay, let's go with the majority, and have a vote.  Votes to be in by
midnight Thursday/Friday, with an announcement on Friday.
 
We'll count hands at the technical meeting or you can email me (off list 
- repeat OFF LIST, reply-to munging is set, so don't just hit reply 
blindly) for a 'proxy' vote if you don't want to/can't turn up.

The choices are:

 a) Meeting at the beer festival
 b) Meeting at a pub.  Paul, what was the other pub again?

Remember, there will be a 'heretics' meeting in the pub (as explained by 
davorg previously in this thread) on Thursday 1st August too.

Later.

Mark.

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Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:33:22PM +0100, Barbie typed:
>In the event that I actually make it down on Thursday, is there a direct bus
>route from Euston to The Angel,

No single bus will do it. Best bet is to get a 30 or 73 eastbound from
Euston past King's Cross, then change to a 214 before the sharp left
turn for Angel.

>Hopefully the tubes are still running as it's only 2 stops from Euston :)

Old Street station is closer.

R

Re: [PUB] Report on the Calthorpe Arms

[pdcawley-london . 0dd185]

Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm minded to go here for the next social, on the 8th of August,
> despite the beer festival going on, because I think more people will go
> to a pub social than to a pay-to-get-in event.
> 
> Speak now, or hold your peace.

/me will definitely not be going to a beer festival.

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Re: Proposed Vote on Social Meeting

[Dave Cross]

From: Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 7/15/02 3:44:01 PM

> Remember, there will be a 'heretics' meeting in the pub 
> (as explained by davorg previously in this thread) on 
> Thursday 1st August too.

I don't remember explaining anything, but I believe the heretics
meeting on the 1st August will be at the Pillars of Hercules.

Dave...

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mysql autoincs

[Mark Fowler]

Without starting a massive database war, is there anyway to get mysql to 
forget about autoincremented values.

For example, my test routine creates fake data (known) data in the 
database to see if it works.  Is there anyway to "roll back"[1] to before 
I did this after my tests have completed.

Yes, I understand that I'd have to take down anything else that could 
access the database at the same time.

Mark.

[1] I know, I know. 

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Re: mysql autoincs

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:03:41PM +0100, Mark Fowler typed:
>Without starting a massive database war, is there anyway to get mysql to 
>forget about autoincremented values.

IME the way MySQL generates an auto-increment value is to
SELECT MAX(value)+1. So deleting the values should be enough.

R

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Simon Batistoni]

On 15/07/02 15:46 +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:33:22PM +0100, Barbie typed:
> >In the event that I actually make it down on Thursday, is there a direct bus
> >route from Euston to The Angel,

Hmm, forgive me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a mix-up.

The venue is a pub which is called The Angel, but is just off Old
Street roundabout, at the top of the City.

The meeting is not at the lower part of Islington, commonly known as
Angel, which is the better part of a mile northeast of there...

It is quite easy to get buses between the two, but most people would
probably be happier turning up at the right venue to start with.

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Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Steve Keay]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:46:40PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:33:22PM +0100, Barbie typed:
> >In the event that I actually make it down on Thursday, is there a direct bus
> >route from Euston to The Angel,
> 
> No single bus will do it. Best bet is to get a 30 or 73 eastbound from
> Euston past King's Cross, then change to a 214 before the sharp left
> turn for Angel.

A point of order: the 73 does go direct from Euston to Angel, albeit
rather slowly and infrequently.

Re: mysql autoincs

[tony kennick]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:03:41 +0100 (BST)
Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Without starting a massive database war, is there anyway to get mysql to 
> forget about autoincremented values.
> 
> For example, my test routine creates fake data (known) data in the 
> database to see if it works.  Is there anyway to "roll back"[1] to before 
> I did this after my tests have completed.

I generally do this by doing a dump of the database with mysqldump or phpmyadmin, to
a file of the database in it's un-tampered state. Then once I have run
the tests, nuke it and then put back up the version from the file/last
know good version.


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Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:14:57PM +0100, Steve Keay typed:
>A point of order: the 73 does go direct from Euston to Angel, albeit
>rather slowly and infrequently.

Yes, but I was talking about getting to The Angel, i.e. by Old Street
station. And yes, the Underground is a much better bet if available.
Another good option would be the 63 down to Clerkenwell Road and the 55
or 243 from there to Old Street.

R

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Steve Keay]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:20:00PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:14:57PM +0100, Steve Keay typed:
> >A point of order: the 73 does go direct from Euston to Angel, albeit
> >rather slowly and infrequently.
> 
> Yes, but I was talking about getting to The Angel, i.e. by Old Street
> station. And yes, the Underground is a much better bet if available.
> Another good option would be the 63 down to Clerkenwell Road and the 55
> or 243 from there to Old Street.

"The Angel" is a silly name for a pub :)

Meets and barcodes

[the hatter]

I'm still undecided what meets I'll be at this month, but if anyone's
still after a barcode reader, I've got another batch fresh off the lorry.
If either you've asked for one before, and are still lacking, or feel the
need for more toys, drop me a mail with details of what ones you plan on
attending.

ta


the hatter

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Barbie]

From: "Roger Burton West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >Hopefully the tubes are still running as it's only 2 stops from Euston :)
>
> Old Street station is closer.

The pub is The Angel, the tube is Old Street, which happens to be 2 stops
from Euston :)

Barbie.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Barbie]

From: "Simon Batistoni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hmm, forgive me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a mix-up.

> The meeting is not at the lower part of Islington, commonly known as
> Angel, which is the better part of a mile northeast of there...

Seeing as Paul never mentioned Angel, Islington, but the pub The Angel by
Old Street station, I think it's safe to assume I was refering to the pub ;)

> It is quite easy to get buses between the two, but most people would
> probably be happier turning up at the right venue to start with.

or is there more than pub called The Angel near Old Street station?

Barbie.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Chris Benson]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:58:38PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> 
> I've had it up to here[1] with tube strikes and trying to work round them.  
> Are we ever going to solve these matters, or are tube strikes going to 
> become something we're all going to have to start living with?  In which 
> case we'd better just get used to living with them

Next time I'm in London this's what I'll be using:

http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/
-- 
Chris Benson

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Barbie]

Gawd what have I started.

Apologises I see the map I was looking at did actually have Kings Cross as a
stop, but my slightly overheated excuse for a brain missed it. There are in
fact 3 stops between Euston and Old Street, and the second stop is Angel

Personally I think this is just a ruse to stop us out-of-towners finding the
venue in the first place.

Barbie.

PS: Let's hope I fair better finding my way around Munich in September :)

Re: ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:01:13PM +0100, Barbie typed:

>PS: Let's hope I fair better finding my way around Munich in September :)

If you use a PalmOS or WinCE machine, take a look at
http://nanika.net/Metro/ .

Roger

Re: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Dominic Mitchell]

Chris Benson wrote:
> Next time I'm in London this's what I'll be using:
> 
>   http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/

They're very good and I wouldn't part with mine, but go easy with them. 
  I'd been riding mine for less than a year before my first spoke popped 
out of the back wheel.  That turned into an annoying habit, culminating 
in the need for a new wheel.

-Dom

Re: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Struan Donald]

* at 15/07 17:17 +0100 Dominic Mitchell said:
> Chris Benson wrote:
> >Next time I'm in London this's what I'll be using:
> >
> > http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/
> 
> They're very good and I wouldn't part with mine, but go easy with them. 
>  I'd been riding mine for less than a year before my first spoke popped 
> out of the back wheel.  That turned into an annoying habit, culminating 
> in the need for a new wheel.

I always thought these:

http://www.strida.com/

looked kinda nice. certainly a nice elegant design.

s

Re: [ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCE: Technical meeting, Thurs 18 July

[Chris Benson]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:54:04PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
> * at 15/07 17:17 +0100 Dominic Mitchell said:
> > Chris Benson wrote:
> > >Next time I'm in London this's what I'll be using:
> > >
> > >   http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/
> > 
> > They're very good and I wouldn't part with mine, but go easy with them. 
> >  I'd been riding mine for less than a year before my first spoke popped 
> > out of the back wheel.  That turned into an annoying habit, culminating 
> > in the need for a new wheel.
> 
> I always thought these:
> 
> http://www.strida.com/
> 
> looked kinda nice. certainly a nice elegant design.

Look nice, but crap to ride. 

-- 
Chris Benson

Re: Proposed Vote on Social Meeting

[Kate L Pugh]

On Mon 15 Jul 2002, Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, let's go with the majority, and have a vote.  Votes to be in by
> midnight Thursday/Friday, with an announcement on Friday.

This might be leaving it a little late for pub-booking, so should I
try to provisionally book the Calthorpe Arms today?  (If they'll *let*
me do a provisional booking, and aren't already booked, that is.)

Reminders:
http://www.fancyapint.com/thepubs/pub342.htm
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=530786&Y=182355&A=Y&Z=1
Tubes: Chancery Lane, Russell Square, King's Cross
Beer: Young's

Kake