Re: webmail
On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:52:03AM +0100, nemesis wrote: > I quite like big soft MUAs like mozilla mail so I run an IMAP server on > the machine that gets the mail and use stunnel[0] to provide an > encrypted connection. It took about 10 minutes to set up and works like > a dream. The problem with stunnel is auditing. You see a nice, logged, connection from J.Random.IP.Address to the stunnel, and then the IMAP server sees a connection from localhost. Far better if you can integrate the TLS system into the IMAP server. It's a good stopgap, though. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: Orange website...
Shevek sent the following bits through the ether: > It's wrong all down the LHS in Moz 1.0. I presume Moz is supported? There's a weird mozilla bug where it won't refresh the background images of some cells. See if clearing your browser cache helps. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... this is a sigfile | there are many like it but | this sigfile is mine
Re: Orange website...
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:22:35PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: > I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website > (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. I love it! I even prefer it to the last one - well done, money well spent! If you drop the blackish top and bottom a little more into the brown zone I'm sure you could probably get Terry's (of Chocolate Orange fame) to sponsor you :-) Paul PS The link and vlink colours are still way too close, IMO. I dunno if it's a Mac gamma thing or someone's got bionic eyesight... -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ "If dinosaurs are extinct, then unending happiness will prevail." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: One Year Ago...
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 06:29:51PM +0100, James Duncan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Roughly one year ago an event happened that penetrated the mists of time > that swirl through my head just a moment ago. This event was the > usurping of the Meeting Date, and the initiation of what was to become > the New Heretics. > > I seem to remember (although it 'tis not written in the ancient > scrolls[0]) that this was to occur for a period of one year. > > Has that time run out? Are we to remove the shackles of the McCarroll > heresy? Is the Date still the Thursday after the first Wednesday of the > month? Interested readers want to know! Actually it was well over a year ago - YAPC::Europe was much earlier last year. I don't remember there being a one year rule. Dave... > [0] http://use.perl.org/~davorg/journal/1191 -- .sig missing...
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:31:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: > On 24/09/2002 at 19:26 +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > >On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Earle Martin wrote: > > > >> > Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a > >> > Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024. > >> Count me in. Meet at Shoreditch station perhaps? > > > > Sounds sensible. > > Except of course for the facts that: > > a) getting to the East London Line is usually Hard > b) it doesn't run at all on Saturdays > > Although if you meant 'we should meet at it having walked there from > Liverpool Street, a station that is usually open, even if it is a > glorified Sock Shop emporium' that would be fine. How about simply meeting at the Vibe Bar practically right across the street from the Atlantis Gallery (where Bodyworlds is) on Brick Lane. They open at 11am so those arriving late simply miss out on a swift half. That way it's also not discriminating against those wishing to use more environmentally friendly transport (or cars, heh)... http://www.itchylondon.co.uk/venues/82.html Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ "If you really want it, then you are the Uncarved Block." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Orange website...
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
> I've taken the opportunity to change the style sheet, too, which should
> fix a couple of things people have (rightly) complained about
> accessibility-wise.
It's wrong all down the LHS in Moz 1.0. I presume Moz is supported?
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); }
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
> On 24/09/2002 at 19:26 +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
> >On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Earle Martin wrote:
> >
> >> > Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a
> >> > Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024.
> >> Count me in. Meet at Shoreditch station perhaps?
> >
> > Sounds sensible.
>
> Except of course for the facts that:
>
> a) getting to the East London Line is usually Hard
Only Hard if you want to achieve it in the shortest possible time.
Otherwise it's a pain in the arse but merely hard.
> b) it doesn't run at all on Saturdays
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); }
Re: BodyWorlds
On 24/09/02 20:48 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: > This was a useful reminder. Please also remember that Jubilee and Bakerloo > trains are not stopping northbound at Baker Street until early summer next > year. And that pretty much bugger all is going anywhere on the Underground > tomorrow (before 8pm) Or probably after 8pm, given that they don't really have the time to get everything moving from where it got stuck this evening, before it's time to close down again for the night. :( On the other hand, I'll be being one of those smug cycling bastards weaving through the lanes of snarled up traffic and swearing under my breath at drivers who seem unable to comprehend basic road markings and signage...
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 02:15:51PM +, Earle Martin wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:48:31AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > snogweb.com ;) > > Sounds like http://www.attrition.org.hosted/sexchart/ http://www.attrition.org/hosted/sexchart/ I've done graphviz's of that too :-) For various reasons if you're interested it'll have to be offline. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ "What is a lesson from the Three Little Pigs? Only the Shadow knows." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: webmail
Paul Johnson wrote: > My mail is sitting on my machine at home, in mbox format. I'm sitting > at work, behind a firewall. My machine at home is running Debian Woody. > > I want to read and send mail, securely. > > I tried http://jwebmail.sourceforge.net/, but it's in Java and it > doesn't "just work". And it needs tomcat, and that's a lot of overhead > for something relatively simnple. > > So what's the answer, acmemail? I quite like big soft MUAs like mozilla mail so I run an IMAP server on the machine that gets the mail and use stunnel[0] to provide an encrypted connection. It took about 10 minutes to set up and works like a dream. Will. [0] http://www.stunnel.org
Re: Orange website...
On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 21:48, Lusercop wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:22:35PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: > > I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website > > (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. > > WE HAVE NOT BEEN HACKED! > > This makes a change! :-) robin's the only one to have hacked root on london.pm.org afaik, and that's from a shell account while we were still on redhat 7.0 (although i haven't looked since the debian install, being scared of real distributions). if anyone knows any different i'd like to know about it please... alex
Re: Orange website...
On 24/09/2002 at 17:57 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: >On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:22:35PM +0100, Leo Lapworth said: >> I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website >> (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. > >OH GOD! MY EYES! IT BUURNS! http://london.pm.org/about/faq.html - bottom question. I think I might get into trouble about that one... I've taken the opportunity to change the style sheet, too, which should fix a couple of things people have (rightly) complained about accessibility-wise. Blame Simon. He told me to. -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: webmail
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:55:12PM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: > My mail is sitting on my machine at home, in mbox format. I'm sitting > at work, behind a firewall. My machine at home is running Debian Woody. > > I want to read and send mail, securely. > > So what's the answer, acmemail? No, ssh and $MUA_of_choice. If you're not allowed to ssh, then run it through an http tunnel. -- David Cantrell | Member of the Brute Squad | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david With ... the fact that Linux has become so easy to install that certain species of bacteria are now being hired by MIS departments, what was once the domain of rigorously trained, highly specialized professionals has devolved into the Dark Land of the Monkeys. -- Greg Knauss
Re: webmail
On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 22:55, Paul Johnson wrote: > My mail is sitting on my machine at home, in mbox format. I'm sitting > at work, behind a firewall. My machine at home is running Debian Woody. I use mailreader (apt-get install mailreader :-) ), which wants to talk to a POP server. So you run a pop server on the server, allow only ocnnections from the local machine, and put mailreader, which is web-based, on apache-ssl. Won't do IMAP, or clever folders, or any of that stuff. But good grief, beyond a certain point, use ssh+mutt... Tom -- 'Home-based meat service with a pneumatic delivery system and metered usage' 'There's no business model for faucet-based meat' 'Central meat isn't a valid business model, but psychic advice lines are?' -- Neil and Bob lament capitalism, goats.com 2001/10/15
webmail
My mail is sitting on my machine at home, in mbox format. I'm sitting at work, behind a firewall. My machine at home is running Debian Woody. I want to read and send mail, securely. I tried http://jwebmail.sourceforge.net/, but it's in Java and it doesn't "just work". And it needs tomcat, and that's a lot of overhead for something relatively simnple. So what's the answer, acmemail? PS. Nice to eventually meet some of you at YAPC:Europe. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
Re: [Job] The beeb are hiring
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:09:37PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: > now the BBC require 5 years experience of databases to be a Software > Enginner and experience of cgi and perl to be a Database Architect. > > how hard is it to do something simple like put together a job ad? HR positions require 5 years experience of marketing. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
Re: Orange website...
>From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Orange website... >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:57:35 +0100 > >On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:22:35PM +0100, Leo Lapworth said: > > I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website > > (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. > >OH GOD! MY EYES! IT BUURNS! Just wait until someone makes dayglo/luminescent/flourescent (delete as applicable) colours work on a monitor _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: [Job] The beeb are hiring
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e57318.shtml > http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e57319.shtml previously sift required you to register to see the positions on their website.. now the BBC require 5 years experience of databases to be a Software Enginner and experience of cgi and perl to be a Database Architect. how hard is it to do something simple like put together a job ad? A. -- Aaron J Trevena - Perl Hacker, Kung Fu Geek, Internet Consultant AutoDia --- Automatic UML and HTML Specifications from Perl, C++ and Any Datasource with a Handler. http://droogs.org/autodia
Re: Orange website...
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:22:35PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: > I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website > (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. > WE HAVE NOT BEEN HACKED! This makes a change! :-) *ducks and runs very fast* -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: [cam.pm] BodyWorlds
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:23:27PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a > Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024. It isn't too early, because you want to be in Embankment not long after: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://colondot.net/
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:31:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: > Oh, other handy hint: there are no trains on the Circle, H&C or > Metropolitan Lines through King's Cross most weekends at the moment > because of engineering works (to make it shiny and new for the Channel > Tunnel rail link). People coming to London from, say, Cambridge might > want to see if they can get to Liverpool Street rather than the usual > express to King's Cross. I suspect that they may find that going to King's Cross then taking the Northern Line to Bank, and changing to the Central would still be faster than enjoying a leisurely ride through Essex and E postcodes into Liverpool Street. [Postcode pedants may care to note that I make no comment about the speed of travel through EN postcodes or N17 or N18. Yes, I checked. Else someone was bound to say "but, you don't go direct from Essex to E17"] > This has been a public transport geeking moment. Thank you for your > patience. This was a useful reminder. Please also remember that Jubilee and Bakerloo trains are not stopping northbound at Baker Street until early summer next year. And that pretty much bugger all is going anywhere on the Underground tomorrow (before 8pm) Nicholas Clark -- Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:17:29PM +0100, Shevek wrote: > How about adding > functionality to the software to work out who "that bloke I met in the pub > last week with the beard and the funny shoes" was? That was Richard. He has been known to wear sandals. -- David Cantrell|Degenerate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david The voices said it's a good day to clean my weapons
Re: BodyWorlds
On 24/09/2002 at 19:26 +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: >On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Earle Martin wrote: > >> > Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a >> > Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024. >> Count me in. Meet at Shoreditch station perhaps? > > Sounds sensible. Except of course for the facts that: a) getting to the East London Line is usually Hard b) it doesn't run at all on Saturdays Although if you meant 'we should meet at it having walked there from Liverpool Street, a station that is usually open, even if it is a glorified Sock Shop emporium' that would be fine. Oh, other handy hint: there are no trains on the Circle, H&C or Metropolitan Lines through King's Cross most weekends at the moment because of engineering works (to make it shiny and new for the Channel Tunnel rail link). People coming to London from, say, Cambridge might want to see if they can get to Liverpool Street rather than the usual express to King's Cross. This has been a public transport geeking moment. Thank you for your patience. -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:24:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still > haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? Possibly. Announce a time and I might turn up. -- David Cantrell|Degenerate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david While researching this email, I was forced to carry out some investigative work which unfortunately involved a bucket of puppies and a belt sander -- after JoeB, in the Monastery
One Year Ago...
Roughly one year ago an event happened that penetrated the mists of time that swirl through my head just a moment ago. This event was the usurping of the Meeting Date, and the initiation of what was to become the New Heretics. I seem to remember (although it 'tis not written in the ancient scrolls[0]) that this was to occur for a period of one year. Has that time run out? Are we to remove the shackles of the McCarroll heresy? Is the Date still the Thursday after the first Wednesday of the month? Interested readers want to know! Regards, James. [0] http://use.perl.org/~davorg/journal/1191
Re: BodyWorlds
At 13:24 24/09/2002, you wrote: >So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still >haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? > > >L. >BSc Anatomical Sciences > >[0] http://www.bodyworlds.com/ thanks for the reminder ... I work almost round the corner, I'm going to take a look one lunchtime this week Patrick
Re: DBD::mysql installation problems redux
Nicholas Clark wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:06:59AM -0700, jonah wrote: > >>On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Nicholas Clark wrote: >> >> >>>Did you download a binary perl, or build it yourself from source? >> >>Apparently it was a binary perl. Was it a binary or source installation of mysql? I seem to remember having similar problems with a DBD::mysql installation and I think installing a source version of mysql cured the problem. It was a long time ago though so my memory is pretty hazy, I don't know if this will solve the problem. Will.
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Earle Martin wrote: > > Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a > > Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024. > Count me in. Meet at Shoreditch station perhaps? Sounds sensible. L. I want to date a gynaecologist. I wanna *know* I'm special.
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:48:31AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > snogweb.com ;) Sounds like http://www.attrition.org.hosted/sexchart/
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:23:27PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > > So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still > > > haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? > > > > Yes. I'd love to. We can do curry afterwards too. Pick a day. > > Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a > Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024. Count me in. Meet at Shoreditch station perhaps?
Re: Time to declare war on Paris.pm
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:56:12PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:34:37AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:04:10PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Depends on whether they let Brother Stowe speak or not. If they don't, > > > > > then we will have to boycott their inadequate conference and hold our > > > > > own, in the nearest cafe or pub we can find to their venue. Which will > > > > > consist of All Stowe, All The Time. > > > > > > > > Are you sure the world is ready for that? > > > > > > > > > > I think it should be viewed as the ultimate deterrent. ;-) > > > > I think you need to watch Dr. Strangelove (again?) :-) > > > > Your not suggesting YAPC::Europe::Paris::2003 are likely to build their > own Stowe and cause a Stowe race? I find the possibility too terrifying to contemplate. :-) -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ I'm already not yet convinced. - Larry Wall
Re: Orange website...
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website > (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. > > WE HAVE NOT BEEN HACKED! > > For those of you who did not hear... > > The colour of the website was put up for auction at > this years YAPC::Europe. This will last for 1 year. > it truly is horrible! well done folks. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Orange website...
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:22:35PM +0100, Leo Lapworth said: > I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website > (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. OH GOD! MY EYES! IT BUURNS!
Re: Time to declare war on Paris.pm
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:34:37AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:04:10PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > > > > > > > Depends on whether they let Brother Stowe speak or not. If they don't, > > > > then we will have to boycott their inadequate conference and hold our > > > > own, in the nearest cafe or pub we can find to their venue. Which will > > > > consist of All Stowe, All The Time. > > > > > > Are you sure the world is ready for that? > > > > > > > I think it should be viewed as the ultimate deterrent. ;-) > > I think you need to watch Dr. Strangelove (again?) :-) > Your not suggesting YAPC::Europe::Paris::2003 are likely to build their own Stowe and cause a Stowe race? Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DBD::mysql installation problems redux
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:06:59AM -0700, jonah wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Nicholas Clark wrote:
>
> > Did you download a binary perl, or build it yourself from source?
>
> Apparently it was a binary perl.
>
> > perl -V:cc
> cc='gcc -B/usr/ccs/bin/';
>
> > could you send a copy of line 714 of dbdimp.c please? [to see if that guess
> > is correct]
>
> Well, I have three of those, so here they are:
>
> from Mysql-modules/DBD-mysql/dbdimp.c
> FreeParam(imp_sth->params, DBIc_NUM_PARAMS(imp_sth));
>
> from Mysql-modules/dbd/dbdimp.c
> if (dbis->debug >= 2) {
>
>(I imagine that's not the dbdimp.c you were looking for)
>
> from Mysql-modules/DBD-mSQL/dbdimp.c
> FreeParam(imp_sth->params, DBIc_NUM_PARAMS(imp_sth));
Well, which was in the directory where the C compiler's error was generated
from? (Your make output with the error messages doesn't make it clear which
if any of these directories was the current directory at the time of the
errors)
But even if I know that, nothing obvious springs out, and I'm now stuck.
I'd suggest that you send the make output and the output of perl -V
(capital V - it's verbose but useful) to whatever the "official" DBD mysql
list is, as they may have seen this sort of build problem before.
Sorry I can't help further
Nicholas Clark
Orange website...
I'm sorry (or happy) to announce the London.pm website (http://london.pm.org/) has now changed colour. WE HAVE NOT BEEN HACKED! For those of you who did not hear... The colour of the website was put up for auction at this years YAPC::Europe. This will last for 1 year. Leon, Red, Gellyfish and my self spent 450 EUR to change the colour of the website to Orange, with all money going to YAPC::Europe (and then excess to YAS). I would like to take this chance to say sorry... :) Once again, I stress.. this is intentional.. it is not a bug... Thanks Leo
Re: Good Training London?
Derek Revill sent the following bits through the ether: > Can anyone recomend a good all-round Perl training course or company > in London? Would this be a good time to plug http://www.perltraining.org/ ? I think it needs some sort of recommendation system, but it may be useful. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... Useless invention no. 404: Dehydrated water
Re: Time to declare war on Paris.pm
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:34:37AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:04:10PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > > > > > Depends on whether they let Brother Stowe speak or not. If they don't, > > > then we will have to boycott their inadequate conference and hold our > > > own, in the nearest cafe or pub we can find to their venue. Which will > > > consist of All Stowe, All The Time. > > > > Are you sure the world is ready for that? > > > > I think it should be viewed as the ultimate deterrent. ;-) I think you need to watch Dr. Strangelove (again?) :-) -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ I expect my version of ESP::Psychic will be ready sometime last week. More likely, yesterday (you know how schedules tend to slip). - Eric The Read in comp.lang.perl.misc
Re: Dim sum, Thursday
Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is anyone else likely to turn up if I suggest going to dim sum at the > New World on Thursday 26th at 1pm? > > http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/new-world.html Prob'ly. -- Piers "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite." -- Jane Austen?
Re: Good Training London?
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 05:20:28PM +0200, Derek Revill wrote: > > Can anyone recomend a good all-round Perl training course or company in > London? I live in Amsterdam but want to come to london for training in > english. I'm pretty much at beginner level (or a bit beyond) and would like > to broaden my knowledge in all the basic areas (I do a lot of data > transformation and work with XML). I found some courses by 'gbdirect' - > anyone know them or of others? Recommendations appreciated. I've done some work for Learning Tree, and the instructors I'm aware of over there are very good in and of themselves. However they are very tied to a course structure and syllabus they have almost no control over. The material tends to be geared to the requirements of large corporates and mediocre students. If the 2000 quid price tag for a week doesn't seem like a lot of money, or if someone else is paying, I'd recommend them for a basic grounding. I may also know a small firm which might be interested - if you'd like to mail me some detailed requirements offlist. Ben
Good Training London?
Hello, Can anyone recomend a good all-round Perl training course or company in London? I live in Amsterdam but want to come to london for training in english. I'm pretty much at beginner level (or a bit beyond) and would like to broaden my knowledge in all the basic areas (I do a lot of data transformation and work with XML). I found some courses by 'gbdirect' - anyone know them or of others? Recommendations appreciated. Derek
Re: networks and scalability
On 24 Sep 2002, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I think you should probably have both. I know how to get in touch with
> > everyone who posts to this list; but I don't know, say, Shevek, from
> > anything beyond his list posts, whereas I know Nick Cleaton because I
> > used to work with him... and the ex-Torrington people I keep up with are
> > no longer "ex-Torrington" in my mind but just "people I know".
>
> Ah, but you know me from interviewing and beerage, and I know Shevek
> from Bath.pm. So we do have linkage.
I know lots of people who smile and back away from me when I talk about
code, and I know Magnus who took my crack off me. How about adding
functionality to the software to work out who "that bloke I met in the pub
last week with the beard and the funny shoes" was?
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); }
Re: DBD::mysql installation problems redux
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Did you download a binary perl, or build it yourself from source?
Apparently it was a binary perl.
> perl -V:cc
cc='gcc -B/usr/ccs/bin/';
> could you send a copy of line 714 of dbdimp.c please? [to see if that guess
> is correct]
Well, I have three of those, so here they are:
from Mysql-modules/DBD-mysql/dbdimp.c
FreeParam(imp_sth->params, DBIc_NUM_PARAMS(imp_sth));
from Mysql-modules/dbd/dbdimp.c
if (dbis->debug >= 2) {
(I imagine that's not the dbdimp.c you were looking for)
from Mysql-modules/DBD-mSQL/dbdimp.c
FreeParam(imp_sth->params, DBIc_NUM_PARAMS(imp_sth));
Gratitude.
--
matt
I fucking hate pie.
Re: DBD::mysql installation problems redux
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:40:30AM -0700, jonah wrote: > perl -v returns This is perl, v5.8.0 built for sun4-solaris > Solaris version 5.6 > mysqld is definitely running on localhost since we can connect to it fine > with the mysql command line client and from elsewhere, too. Did you download a binary perl, or build it yourself from source? What does perl -V:cc say? > dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_dr_connect': > dbdimp.c:632: `MYSQL_OPT_COMPRESS' undeclared (first use in this function) > dbdimp.c:632: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > dbdimp.c:632: for each function it appears in.) > dbdimp.c:641: `MYSQL_OPT_CONNECT_TIMEOUT' undeclared (first use in this > function) > dbdimp.c:652: `MYSQL_READ_DEFAULT_FILE' undeclared (first use in this > function) > dbdimp.c:662: `MYSQL_READ_DEFAULT_GROUP' undeclared (first use in this > function) > dbdimp.c:714: warning: passing arg 5 of `mysql_real_connect' makes integer > from pointer without a cast > dbdimp.c:714: warning: passing arg 6 of `mysql_real_connect' makes pointer > from integer without a cast > dbdimp.c:714: warning: passing arg 7 of `mysql_real_connect' makes integer > from pointer without a cast > dbdimp.c:714: too many arguments to function `mysql_real_connect' > dbdimp.c: At top level: > dbdimp.c:1102: parse error before `val' > dbdimp.c: In function `my_ulonglong2str': > dbdimp.c:1103: `val' undeclared (first use in this function) > dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_st_fetch': > dbdimp.c:1508: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type > gcc: file path prefix `/usr/ccs/bin/' never used > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dbdimp.o' This all looks consistent with a single header file failing to be included. That would explain both the missing macro definitions, and what appears to be an error relating to prototypes (probably return types from functions defaulting to int) could you send a copy of line 714 of dbdimp.c please? [to see if that guess is correct] Nicholas Clark
DBD::mysql installation problems redux
Hello everyone, sorry to bother you all with this, I try to keep my head down most of the time, but I'm in a bit of a pinch here. My chum Graham is trying to install DBD::mysql on his Solaris 5.6 box at my request, but is having trouble. It's failing at the make stage, and he can't figure out why. I'm none the wiser since he's a lot cleverer than I am (that's not saying much) and I don't do a lot of make-ing anyway, preferring to let CPAN do all that. Anybody got any suggestions? Many heartfelt thanks in advance. Here's some Info: perl -v returns This is perl, v5.8.0 built for sun4-solaris Solaris version 5.6 mysqld is definitely running on localhost since we can connect to it fine with the mysql command line client and from elsewhere, too. Here's our problem: # perl Makefile.PL --cflags=-I'/usr/local/mysql/include' "--libs=-L/usr/local/my qlclient -lz -lcrypt -lgen -lsocket -lnsl -lm" --testdb=test --testuser=dummy I will use the following settings for compiling and testing: cflags(Users choice) = -I/usr/local/mysql/include libs (Users choice) = -L/usr/local/myqlclient -lz -lcrypt -lgen -lsocket -lnsl -lm nocatchstderr (default ) = 0 ssl (guessed ) = 0 testdb(Users choice) = test testhost (default ) = testpassword (default ) = testuser (Users choice) = dummy To change these settings, see 'perl Makefile.PL --help' and 'perldoc INSTALL'. Using DBI 1.30 installed in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/sun4-solaris/auto/DBI Writing Makefile for DBD::mysql # make cp lib/DBD/mysql.pm blib/lib/DBD/mysql.pm cp lib/DBD/mysql/INSTALL.pod blib/lib/DBD/mysql/INSTALL.pod cp lib/Mysql.pm blib/lib/Mysql.pm cp lib/Mysql/Statement.pm blib/lib/Mysql/Statement.pm cp lib/DBD/mysql.pod blib/lib/DBD/mysql.pod cp lib/Bundle/DBD/mysql.pm blib/lib/Bundle/DBD/mysql.pm gcc -B/usr/ccs/bin/ -c -I/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/sun4-solaris/auto /DBI -I/usr/local/mysql/include -fno-strict-aliasing -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O-DVERSION=\"2.1019\" -DXS_VERSION=\"2.1019\" -fPIC "-I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/sun4-solaris/CORE" dbdimp.c dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_dr_connect': dbdimp.c:632: `MYSQL_OPT_COMPRESS' undeclared (first use in this function) dbdimp.c:632: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once dbdimp.c:632: for each function it appears in.) dbdimp.c:641: `MYSQL_OPT_CONNECT_TIMEOUT' undeclared (first use in this function) dbdimp.c:652: `MYSQL_READ_DEFAULT_FILE' undeclared (first use in this function) dbdimp.c:662: `MYSQL_READ_DEFAULT_GROUP' undeclared (first use in this function) dbdimp.c:714: warning: passing arg 5 of `mysql_real_connect' makes integer from pointer without a cast dbdimp.c:714: warning: passing arg 6 of `mysql_real_connect' makes pointer from integer without a cast dbdimp.c:714: warning: passing arg 7 of `mysql_real_connect' makes integer from pointer without a cast dbdimp.c:714: too many arguments to function `mysql_real_connect' dbdimp.c: At top level: dbdimp.c:1102: parse error before `val' dbdimp.c: In function `my_ulonglong2str': dbdimp.c:1103: `val' undeclared (first use in this function) dbdimp.c: In function `mysql_st_fetch': dbdimp.c:1508: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type gcc: file path p
Re: BodyWorlds
[Warning, cross-posted] On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Leon Brocard wrote: > > So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still > > haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? > > Yes. I'd love to. We can do curry afterwards too. Pick a day. Mmm, curry. I'm guessing it'll be busy. Is 11am too early for a Saturday? In case of emergency phone 07939 476024. L. "I like films with lesbians in them because it's nice to think there are attractive women out there who can't find a boyfriend."
Re: BodyWorlds
Lucy McWilliam sent the following bits through the ether: > So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still > haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? Yes. I'd love to. We can do curry afterwards too. Pick a day. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... Oh, the Pope warned me never to trust the CIA!
Re: Casey West
En op 22 september 2002 sprak Piers Cawley: > http://use.perl.org/~cwest/journal/7895 > > What did you do to him? I noticed in Casey's journal that he played a card game called "hearts" which Greg won and Fowler lost. Just curious: do you call this game "hearts" at london.pm and is this the most popular london.pm card game? I love playing this card game, but here in strayer we call it Rickety Kate or Black Bitch. /-\ndrew
Re: BodyWorlds
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:24:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still > haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? No, but only because I've already been. But do go. It's fab. Dave... > [0] http://www.bodyworlds.com/ -- .sig missing...
Re: Dim sum, Thursday
Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is anyone else likely to turn up if I suggest going to dim sum at the > New World on Thursday 26th at 1pm? Yes. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
BodyWorlds
So the infamous anatomy/art exhibition[0] shuts on Sunday, and I still haven't been *slap wrist*. Anyone interested in a field trip? L. BSc Anatomical Sciences [0] http://www.bodyworlds.com/
Dim sum, Thursday
Is anyone else likely to turn up if I suggest going to dim sum at the New World on Thursday 26th at 1pm? http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/new-world.html -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:48:31AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Simon Wistow wrote: > > I've been working on this http://thegestalt.org/simon/remove this bit > > between these two slashes/gestalt/ > snogweb.com ;) With the added advantage that snogweb is also written by a well-known Perl person. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: networks and scalability
>I don't think a per-piece model works for content. Take a look at the way >The Economist web site handles premium content. The per piece model they >have is pretty clearly designed to drive people towards a subscription. it depends on the content i guess. i mean id not pay "per-piece" for mobile access to void or london.pm, but i would do for ntk (although ntk is a bad example because most of the content is off the email). ntk is long, regular and reliable - so there wouldnt be any "surprises" - no huge bill increases one week and huge reductions the next. i would however pay a flat fee for access to things like void and london.pm. ive used email on my mobile before and it was just prohibitivly expensive for the way i use email. so i guess the only way to do it properly would be to have a contract with the owner of the mailing list and the mobile provider to agree on a monthly price based on the "average load" and review it every 6 months or so. so for example i'd be paying 10p a week for NTK and 5 ukp a month for london.pm to be sent to my mobile. ignore the fact that most phones right now wont send email longer than 160 characters and all that crap. duncan
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:49:48AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > > This is something I've been looking at for some freelance consultancy > work on mobile communities. > > There are 4 interlinked problems : > > 2) Too much traffic and people get swamped and kind of just zone out and > skim read a lot of stuff. On a mobile device this swamping can happen > very quickly. People also don't like paying to download content they're > not going to read. > > 4) If you don't then people might get narked about paying to download > Arsenal gossip and getting Buffy spoilers. Plus it can act as an > inhibitor to people joining - they get there, take one look and scarper I don't think a per-piece model works for content. Take a look at the way The Economist web site handles premium content. The per piece model they have is pretty clearly designed to drive people towards a subscription. I would almost consider buying a subscription if their pro-war stance wasn't quite so repugnant. I'll settle for scarfing the free content off their website. Ben
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:43:56AM +0100, Leon Brocard said: > Interesting idea. The problem is that once you start you increase the > number of nodes, not only GraphViz completely fail to lay everything > out properly, but actually displaying any data will be challenging, > unless you pick a node as a root and route out from there. Hmmm. I seem to remember Graphviz being able to cluster and group - one idea I had was to try and see who the prime movers and shakers (defined by the nodes with the most arcs connected to them) and make things cluster round them. Some how. Probably using the ever useful Handwave.pm [0] Simon [0] Location might actually be a good one for this. For some values of good.
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:16:01AM +0100, Ben Evans said: > [De jargonised version of (2): The more traffic there is on a group, the more > people will drop out. Under certain circumstances - probably most circumstances - > we can find out how many people are likely to drop out at certain traffic rates. > There might well be a maximum effective size for online groups, which we could > determine by measuring things. The downside is, in practice, online groups which > have been around for a while might always *be* at their optimal size] This is something I've been looking at for some freelance consultancy work on mobile communities. There are 4 interlinked problems : 1) Not enough traffic means no momentum in the community and it tends to die out (c.f ::scr) 2) Too much traffic and people get swamped and kind of just zone out and skim read a lot of stuff. On a mobile device this swamping can happen very quickly. People also don't like paying to download content they're not going to read. 3) If you force people to stay on topic then you have problems with momentum. 4) If you don't then people might get narked about paying to download Arsenal gossip and getting Buffy spoilers. Plus it can act as an inhibitor to people joining - they get there, take one look and scarper (the corrollary is that people join, see no traffic in a couple of days and *then* scarper) Anyway, I'm in danger of rambling. Simon
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Simon Wistow wrote: > I've been working on this http://thegestalt.org/simon/remove this bit > between these two slashes/gestalt/ snogweb.com ;) L. "I'm thirty-three, single, with neat hair. Even I think I'm gay."
Re: networks and scalability
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:
> Had an interesting conversation tonight night.
Interesting idea. The problem is that once you start you increase the
number of nodes, not only GraphViz completely fail to lay everything
out properly, but actually displaying any data will be challenging,
unless you pick a node as a root and route out from there. Hmmm.
Leon
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Re: networks and scalability
[Warning: Long and possibly overly techie at the end] On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:51:22AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > > I've been working on this http://thegestalt.org/simon/remove this bit > between these two slashes/gestalt/ > > The basic idea is to try and map the topology of the London > nu-media-and-related-industries community. > > Anyway, one of the (non enforced) rules is that you don't link from > yourself to another person unless you play the 'bodily fluid' get out > rule - if you're blood relatives or seeing somebody. Instead you link > through other entities such as houses, workplaces, universities and > online cabals (such as, err, this mailing list). The reasoning behind > this is that I thought that it would be more scaleable - if I had a link > to all my friends and all my friends had a link to all my other friends > then it could get very messy, very quickly. > > However a friend of mine argued that having everyone you knew listed > explicitly would be better since you met everybody you know from a > situation and so its only going to create extra links by linking through > the situation as a third party. > > Does that make sense (in a purely semantic sense)? You already know that I think the hierarchical system is a better approach. Not least because the linkages which are possible have some kind of semantic meaning. Eg, it is meaningless to say that a place attends another place, or an online cabal dated a university. This provides an incredibly large amount of constraint on the system and will make it easier to analyse. Ben's First Obvious-to-me Claim: (1) In a sufficiently large, close community [s/close/(insular|incestuous|insectoid)/] the %age of person-person links which do *not* share any links via a third (non-person?) entity is zero. The interesting thing is what 'large' and 'close' mean here. My guess is 'bloody small' and 'actually quite sparse'. Ben's Second Obvious-to-me Claim: (2) The optimal size of an online cabal is an inverse power-law of the download size of the cabal (in some suitable units). The thing which interests me is that, if (2) is true (for some vaguely interesting groups), can we calculate the power involved (the critical exponent). If all of that is true, then whether a cabal has a maximal size or not depends on the value of the exponent. If it's > 1, then it does, but it might be hugely large. If it's > 2, then the cabal probably won't ever be found in the wild at a size very far from its maximal size. [If people want to see my reasoning, then asking me offline might be a good idea. Some keywords: "Universality", "scaling", "Kenneth Wilson", "criticality"] [De jargonised version of (2): The more traffic there is on a group, the more people will drop out. Under certain circumstances - probably most circumstances - we can find out how many people are likely to drop out at certain traffic rates. There might well be a maximum effective size for online groups, which we could determine by measuring things. The downside is, in practice, online groups which have been around for a while might always *be* at their optimal size] Ben
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:25:41AM +0100, Tom Insam said: > Woah, now you're being inconsistent. Why shouldn't I link to family > members through the 'Insam Family' entity? Umm, feel free.
Re: [Job] The beeb are hiring
On 24/9/02 9:05 am, "David Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:58:03AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: >> On 24/9/02 7:49 am, "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e57318.shtml >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e57319.shtml >> Doesn't say where you'd be based... One wonders if these are positions >> previously based at Kingswood Warren :-( > > Errm, they both say London, and because they're both BBCi "web development" > jobs, then I'd guess that they're both in Bush House. Missed the London mention (though one of my former employers considered Maidenhead to be London!). BTW - I have heard that bits of BBCi *might* be moving to White City. Neil. -- Neil Ford neil[at]smudgypixels[dot]net
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 00:51, Simon Wistow wrote: > Anyway, one of the (non enforced) rules is that you don't link from > yourself to another person unless you play the 'bodily fluid' get out > rule - if you're blood relatives or seeing somebody. Instead you link > through other entities such as houses, workplaces, universities and > online cabals (such as, err, this mailing list). The reasoning behind > this is that I thought that it would be more scaleable - if I had a link > to all my friends and all my friends had a link to all my other friends > then it could get very messy, very quickly. Woah, now you're being inconsistent. Why shouldn't I link to family members through the 'Insam Family' entity? -- My belief is that there is a central motivation in the Bush Cabinet. It doesn't get much press play, but this is the enlightening, analytical key to most of the vagaries of their behavior. The key is that the Bush Cabinet does not want to get killed. -- Bruce Sterling
Re: [Job] The beeb are hiring
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:58:03AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: > On 24/9/02 7:49 am, "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e57318.shtml > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e57319.shtml > Doesn't say where you'd be based... One wonders if these are positions > previously based at Kingswood Warren :-( Errm, they both say London, and because they're both BBCi "web development" jobs, then I'd guess that they're both in Bush House. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Us Germans take our humour very seriously -- German cultural attache talking to the Today Programme, about the German supposed lack of a sense of humour, 29 Aug 2001
Re: networks and scalability
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:59:35AM +0100, Paul Makepeace said:
> Probably worth putting in an expiry thing - if you ("one")'ve lived in
> a place, that'll never change but you could easily break up with your
> current squeeze and invalidate a link.
I've been meaning to put in something that allows you to put a time span
on a relationship and allows you to expire one later if you'd put it in
as 09/00->present or something.
The neat thing about this would be that you could generate a new graph
snapshot for every month since the first date in the system and watch as
new sub nodes and clusters spring up and little tendrels (sp?) creep out
to each other.
I'm also wondering if I should make it so that you have to log in and
can only add a link between your entity (possibly making it so that non
people entities are created by someone who becomes responsible for it)
and someone else who is emailed when a link is added to to them.
> This gets into the whole vast topic of trust and reputation metrics. How
> well do you know someone? Are links bidirectional or should it be
> consensual? What meaning to assign to an unreciprocated link?
I did think about having something like that but just figured that was
too complicated, would put people off adding new links and was basically
unnecessary, for my purposes anyway. I just want to see the nebulous
links that there are out there and see if there are any patterns. The
problem with the patterns, as far as I can tell is that their emergence
is subjective to the algorithm that graph drawing program uses. Graphviz
seems to favour trying to stick everything in a flat line and then
looping everything round the outside which isn't quite what I had in
mind. I kind of want clustering.
> http://paulm.com/friends/ecademy/ was a frenzied hack mapping a (mostly)
> London business network a while back. Lots of resources at the end.
> Definitely would be open to chatting offline if people get bored here...
Oooh, shiny. I actually did a prototype of what I was trying to do about 5
or 6 years ago but it crashed a commercial graphing program even then. I've
been meaning to finish the code off for ages. I'm going to read through
your list o' resources and I'd love to talk about this, I'm happy yo take
it off list if people think it might get a bit dolphin noisey.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:05:49PM +, Earle Martin said:
> /me wonders if the kind of information people put in their FOAF
> files[0] could come in handy (works for, etc.) or if perhaps I
> shouldn't be thinking about this after beer at 2am.
This is kind of what sparked the conversation last night. This and FOAF,
I think, are trying to solve similarish problems but they're not *that*
overlapping - FOAF is kind of a resource indicator and trust network
thingy wheras what I'm trying to do is graphically map the networks and
clusters that people have built up over the years - nothing more,
nothing less. A FOAF export thing would probably be a better idea than a
FOAF import.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:53:29AM +0100, Roger Burton West said:
> I think you should probably have both. I know how to get in touch with
> everyone who posts to this list; but I don't know, say, Shevek, from
> anything beyond his list posts, whereas I know Nick Cleaton because I
> used to work with him... and the ex-Torrington people I keep up with
> are no longer "ex-Torrington" in my mind but just "people I know".
I could have intensities or strengths on the arcs but, again, this is
complicated and also a bit subjective.
> I suspect I'd have a description field on the link, which might be
> "common workplace" or "shared house"...
What, you mean, kind of like the 'worked' and 'lived' link types and the
ability to add new link types? :)
Simon
Using Perl with MS SQL Server
Hi, Is there anybody out there that has experience of using ActiveState Perl to administer MS SQL Server 2000. What I'm looking for is an idea of where to look for example scripts, information etc... or (god forbid) reasons why I should use something else. No sarcastic suggestions about not using SQL 2000 please I've just been landed (happily) with DBA tasks and believe that Perl would be more useful to me than VB. In addition, I find the more I use VB, the more I forget how to actually program Kevin Gurney
