Re: The Perl Color?
From: Luis Campos de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/5/03 12:36:31 PM Dave Cross wrote: From: Luis Campos de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/4/03 1:15:10 PM Maybe my perl brothers here have some comments on it. Luis, Is there any reason why you're not interested in the opinions of the women on this list? Dear Dave I've wrote just brothers because in my native tongue (pt_BR) when there are womans and mans toghether the masculine must be used. E.g.: Para todos os meus irmãos nesta lista (literally, For all my brothers in this list). This means that I'm talking for all my brothers and sisters in the list. Obviously a machist remanescent from the older (pt_PT) tongue. I apologi(z|s)e for any confusion this may cause. No problem. I suspected it might be something like that. I just wanted to make the point :) Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *I modify, say, WWW::CIA::Parser and call it version 0.02. * *Do I create a new tarball called WWW-CIA-0.02.tar.gz, including the *updated module, and upload that, or do I just upload the modified module *somehow? do a 'make manifest;make dist' in your build dir and it will create the tarball with the right name for you. You might also have a look at Module::Build. e.
Re: The Perl Color?
To answer the original question, surely blue as in the Blue Camel??? Gareth _ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile
Re: The Perl Color?
michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *monger - O.E. mangere, from L. mango (gen. mangonis) dealer, trader, *from Gk. manganon contrivance, means of enchantment. Used in comb. form *in Eng. since at least 12c.; since 16c. chiefly with overtones of petty *and disreputable. The modern verb is first recorded 1928, from the noun *(but there was a verb form in O.E.). * * Hmm good job were not Roman or we'd be perlmagno's In Portuguese, there is a word 'Monga' which sounds like Monger but is a slang word to describe mongoloids :) e.
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 01:47:31PM +0100, Steve Purkis wrote: I prefer (2) because I can use the CVS revision number in each file: our $VERSION = (split(/ /, '$Revision: 1.6 $'))[1]; I think both 1 and 2 cause more pain than it's worth when you're releasing one distribution with many files, so I go with 3) 3) Only put a version number in the file/package which you intend to be the handle for your distribution. package WWW::CIA; our $VERSION = 0.03; package WWW::CIA::Parser; Put the rcs header in the others if you must, but I'd advocate not using it to derive a version number, since that tesnd you bit your ass in many ways. * You may want to move across VCS systems. * You have a disaster which results in your number reverting to 1.1 when you check in the CPAN release it being the only known copy. If you really want to make it programatically available I'd suggest you take a page from Andy Wardleys book and put that in a variable called $REVISION Other things you should do: * set VERSION_FROM and ABSTRACT_FROM = 'lib/WWW/CIA.pm' in Makefile.PL * create a MANIFEST with 'make manifest' * read http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html#How_contribute_modules * Throw ExtUtils::MakeMaker away, and rejoice in the cleanliness of Module::Build (create_makefile_pl if you must, just to keep the CPAN.pm users from lynching you.) -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #1402 - 7 msgs
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are hard-coding passwords in source code (don't do that), then you're not using [Open]SSH properly. See the docs at: snipped away context as reformatting was too difficult I think that Jonathan was referring to Net::SSH::Perl which has no relation to OpenSSH, being a reimplementation in (near) pure Perl. /J\
Re: The Perl Color?
Gareth Morris wrote: To answer the original question, surely blue as in the Blue Camel??? Well, the first Camel book I saw was pink... I don't think that's a good pick... =-] Paul Makepeace wrote: Perlple? Nice shot. What kind? Its interesting to note that blue + pink = purple. =-] Mark Fowler wrote: So the Perl Mounger colour is Mango orange? Leon, I blame you. Oh, well, I don't think this is a good idea (except for Leon). I blame you too, Leon. ;-) Any other suggestions? Where are the list girls and their good-taste for decoration? =-] Elaine? Ali? Please throw in your opinions. After all, this thread stills here only because Dave Cross defended the Perl Sisters... Thank you all. =-] Have a nice day. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Analista de sistemas Intergal Sistemas http://www.integral.com.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ian Malpass wrote: As I mentioned before, I'm making a module called WWW::CIA (an interface to the CIA World Factbook) which I want to put up on CPAN. My question is how I should clump it all up. (I'm afraid I'm suffering the Fear of Breaking Things.) Makefiles and the like are all a bit of a mystery, and I'd like to do it properly I've read CPAN FAQs and things and I can't quite find the answers. As the perlmod manpage says (with my emphasis) : START WITH H2XS! /J\
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
do a 'make manifest;make dist' in your build dir and it will create the
tarball with the right name for you. You might also have a look at
Module::Build.
Be warned that unless you've configured MANIFEST.SKIP right, it's going to
stick a whole bunch of files in your manifest that you don't want (blib,
Makefile, possibly Makefile.old, pm_to_blib, etc.)
Maybe there's an article in this somewhere (and yes, it should mention
Module::Build.) I'll probably get round to writing one at some point
(after YAPC::Europe.)
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Re: The Perl Color?
Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *monger - O.E. mangere, from L. mango (gen. mangonis) dealer, trader, *from Gk. manganon contrivance, means of enchantment. Used in comb. form *in Eng. since at least 12c.; since 16c. chiefly with overtones of petty *and disreputable. The modern verb is first recorded 1928, from the noun *(but there was a verb form in O.E.). * * Hmm good job were not Roman or we'd be perlmagno's In Portuguese, there is a word 'Monga' which sounds like Monger but is a slang word to describe mongoloids :) Well, this is a rare, almost-technical word. Normally, folks use to say debilóide to design the poor little brothers and sisters hit by this disfuncion... I think the equivalent english word is debiloid (is such word exists). My E$0,02. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Analista de sistemas Intergal Sistemas http://www.integral.com.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: The Perl Color?
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: So the Perl Mounger colour is Mango orange? Leon, I blame you. Unfortunately I am currently in Portugal having fights with Haskell and .NET people. Otherwise I would clearly have brought up the fact that orange is clearly the One True Colour. Honest. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... Famous last words - You and what army?
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:25:53PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: As the perlmod manpage says (with my emphasis) : START WITH H2XS! And as I often find myself saying Urgh, the little swine created a whole pile of junk, riddled with 5.6ism that just don't reflect the rest of my code. It's worth doing it once, to see what files you're expected to ship with a CPAN dist, but personally, I don't have the right attachments for my bargepole. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Jonathan Stowe wrote: As the perlmod manpage says (with my emphasis) : START WITH H2XS! Oh, I did. I'm just not entirely certain I did it *right* :( And I did read manpages and FAQs and stuff. Honest. I just couldn't quite work out how to implement their suggestions :( (Quite possibly I panicked) Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *As the perlmod manpage says (with my emphasis) : * * * START WITH H2XS! Actually, it stole it from the ExtUtils::MakeMaker man page :) How To Write A Makefile.PL The short answer is: Don't. Always begin with h2xs. Always begin with h2xs! ALWAYS BEGIN WITH H2XS! If the Paris people seem interested enough, I'll be updating my CPAN talk from TPC 2 years ago which is up in my directory but noone ever seems to read...right along with the FAQ and all the other documentation :) e.
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 05:29:29AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Friar Tuck, as I recall :) You might be amused to know the original name for search.cpan was TUCS which I believe was to be accompanied by a picture of Friar Tuck. What did TUCS stand for? Walt pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Perl Color?
Walt Mankowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: *On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 05:29:29AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: * Friar Tuck, as I recall :) You might be amused to know the original name * for search.cpan was TUCS which I believe was to be accompanied by a * picture of Friar Tuck. * *What did TUCS stand for? If I recall correctly, The Ultimate CPAN Search. :) e.
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:40:20PM +0100, Ali Young wrote: OK, lets solve this: Take a large quantity of psychotropic drugs. Look at some Perl code. Curse you! I'm working this weekend Ben
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ali Young wrote: Or find someone with synaesthesia. The word 'perl' - it's a pale yellow in my brane. Lighter than a lemon-yellow, and with less green - almost with a hint of orange. The colour the code is? Probably depends on the code. I'm not sure I *give* code as a whole a colour, although I could tell you the colours of the bits of it. Marna
Re: international beer summit
On Thu 05 Jun 2003, Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now all we need is a venue. Now where did I put that pub minion? The Jerusalem Tavern's definitely too small. How about the Fullers Ale Pie pub on High Holborn? http://www.fancyapint.com/pda/pdafiles/colour/pdathepubs/pdapub71.htm http://streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=531215y=181558 Kake
Re: The Perl Color?
Luis Campos de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * * Where are the list girls and their good-taste for decoration? =-] Well, to be honest, gay men know far more about decorating than I do as I only use white or beige paint on the walls of my house and my clothes are mostly all black so I can be sure they all match. I lament that adult furnishings and clothing don't come with the 'garanimal' tags for matching like they did when I was a kid. :) Besides...you haven't even picked which season Perl is so how can you pick a colour scheme? :) I would guess Perl is an autumn and would look rather good in a nice maroon. e.
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:36:31AM -0300, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: I apologi(z|s)e for any confusion this may cause. Ah! I just finished reading trought the entire list, and noted that no one here even remembered to mention a color for perl... =-] Maybe What is this word color that you keep using? Is it like colour? :-) I've you'd asked about colour the answer is orange because Leon has us all brainwashed. What is the Perl sex? is a better question to ask for the London Monks... Well, last month I think the answer was mainly hetro (if confused see http://marna.org/comic.gif) Not sure what the answer will be tonight. Nicholas Clark
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Marna Gilligan wrote:
The word 'perl' - it's a pale yellow in my brane. Lighter than a
lemon-yellow, and with less green - almost with a hint of orange.
Who cares what colour perl is, I've still got this darn bikeshed that
needs painting[1] ;-)
(or, this could turn into a really long thread if we're not careful)
Mark
[1] http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/16.19.shtml
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Re: international beer summit
From: Kate L Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/5/03 2:03:56 PM On Thu 05 Jun 2003, Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now all we need is a venue. Now where did I put that pub minion? The Jerusalem Tavern's definitely too small. How about the Fullers Ale Pie pub on High Holborn? http://www.fancyapint.com/pda/pdafiles/colour/pdathepubs/pdapub71.htm http://streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=531215y=181558 The Melton Mowbray. That's where I get my agent to take me for lunch as it's right over the road from where I work. It's pretty good. Can get a bit full of suits in the evening. Dave... [ currently a suit ] -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: The Perl Color?
* Elaine -HFB- Ashton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: furnishings and clothing don't come with the 'garanimal' tags for matching like they did when I was a kid. :) what are garanimal tags, i'm sure google would tell me where is the social interaction in that. as for the colour of perl shurely its octarine wheter you are a pratchett fan or not. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Perl Color?
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *what are garanimal tags, i'm sure google would tell me where is the social *interaction in that. http://www.garanimals.com/garanimals_history.htm Because fashion retardation starts early in life and, for many, never leaves :) *as for the colour of perl shurely its octarine wheter you are a pratchett *fan or not. Mr. Jark would approve, I'm sure. :) e.
Re: The Perl Color?
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:36:31AM -0300, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Ah! I just finished reading trought the entire list, and noted that no one here even remembered to mention a color for perl... =-] Maybe What is this word color that you keep using? Is it like colour? :-) I've you'd asked about colour the answer is orange because Leon has us all brainwashed. The word 'color' (at least, in my pocket en = pt_BR dictionary) have the same meaning as colour. As a non-native speaker maybe you should give me some handicap... =-] About the Leon Brocard's perl list folks massive brainwash: I blame you again, Leon =-P Orange looks like the habit used by Budist Monks... not a really appropriated colour (nice accent) for Perl, I think so... What is the Perl sex? is a better question to ask for the London Monks... Well, last month I think the answer was mainly hetro (if confused see http://marna.org/comic.gif) Well, I'm really impressed. Nice gif. Nice night. Maybe I should go to a social meeting someday. =-] Not sure what the answer will be tonight. funny Well if I made the right combination possibilities count there is aproximatelly 30% of chance that everything goes ok. Good luck to you. I feel you will need this. ;-) /funny []'z! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Analista de sistemas Intergal Sistemas http://www.integral.com.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 02:38 pm, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *As the perlmod manpage says (with my emphasis) : * * * START WITH H2XS! Actually, it stole it from the ExtUtils::MakeMaker man page :) How To Write A Makefile.PL The short answer is: Don't. That's horribly out-dated though. The fact of the matter is that Makefile.PL's aren't that difficult to write. It's writing customized make targets that's the hard bit, and you only need to do that for more complicated projects (ie: not for pure-perl extensions). Always begin with h2xs. Always begin with h2xs! ALWAYS BEGIN WITH H2XS! That should read: *Don't* begin with H2XS (at least, not unless you're writing a perl wrapper around a C library). It only confuses the issue. If the Paris people seem interested enough, I'll be updating my CPAN talk from TPC 2 years ago which is up in my directory but noone ever seems to read...right along with the FAQ and all the other documentation :) Can't read it if we don't know about it :) Will check it out... -Steve
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: What is the Perl sex? is a better question to ask for the London Monks... Well, last month I think the answer was mainly hetro (if confused see http://marna.org/comic.gif) Not entirely hetero, by any stretch. I think I kissed as many girls as I did boys. Not sure what the answer will be tonight. This time I have a camera! Marna
Re: The Perl Color?
This time I have a camera! This time I will be talking to people about Perl. Failing that I'll sit in the corner and kill more braincells with beer and the EE Perl book. Besides, Leon is in Portugal and Matthew is partying in Cambridge *mope*. Ali
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 15:13, Greg McCarroll wrote: as for the colour of perl shurely its octarine wheter you are a pratchett fan or not. Which I suppose brings us back to the subject of sexing perl mongers. Perhaps a leaf out of the dwarves' method? Ie: very carefully and circumspectly. -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
Re: The Perl Color?
Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Well, to be honest, gay men know far more about decorating than I do as I only use white or beige paint on the walls of my house and my clothes are mostly all black so I can be sure they all match. Perl is black. That's how it always appears when I type it. :-) -J
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Joshua Keroes wrote: Perl is black. Not so. It is multicoloured: shebang is purple; directives/function calls are orange variables are light blue quoted strings are red comments are navy blue Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign up now
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
Steve Purkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *That's horribly out-dated though. The fact of the matter is that *Makefile.PL's aren't that difficult to write. It's writing customized *make targets that's the hard bit, and you only need to do that for more *complicated projects (ie: not for pure-perl extensions). You'd think that but considering how few people manage to write proper pod, add a $VERSION or even a correct version, a synopsis, or bundle their distributions up right I encourage people to use whatever tool, outdated or not, that will help PAUSE, CPAN and the search engines index stuff properly. Also, if you read the man page for h2xs you'll see that there are flags to remove the XS bits from the framework. Far too many people who either think they are too clever to use h2xs or simply don't know the tools exist are a large part of CPAN pollution. Of course, I won't mention the Acme:: namespace which seems to be very well represented by the London.pm :) *Can't read it if we don't know about it :) *Will check it out... It's a bit outdated since a few things have come down the pike in 2 years but much of it still holds. e.
Re: The Perl Color?
On Thursday, June 5, 2003, 4:53:35 PM, Jason Clifford wrote:
JC On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Joshua Keroes wrote:
Perl is black.
JC Not so.
JC It is multicoloured:
Close, but no cigar.
JC shebang is purple;
s/purple/green/
JC directives/function calls are orange
s/orange/red/
JC variables are light blue
s/light blue/ref($)eq'hash'?brown
:ref($)eq'array'?light green
:light blue/e
JC quoted strings are red
s/red/pink/
JC comments are navy blue
s/navy blue/green/
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Re: The Perl Color?
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:43:48AM -0700, Joshua Keroes wrote: Perl is black. That's how it always appears when I type it. :-) Cure colourblindness by typing: :syntax on Toby. -- Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
Re: The Perl Color?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 08:58:09AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: [vi screendump] The syntax command is unknown. You didn't show the highlighting! That bit comes up as rev video on my screen. Lusercop identifies /J\ as using nvi. Lusercop's original post was with sun vi. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc.
Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:10:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I'm sending you this message is two. As the people I talked to at the last meeting know I'm a Perl n0obie I wonder if you can with Perl make an URL entered with the bleeping www. entered. e.g. enter www.domainname.org redirects to domainname.org Try something like this in your apache config, VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com RedirectPermanent / http://paulm.com/ TransferLog /dev/null /VirtualHost Even easier, forget the redirect: VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com ServerAlias paulm.com /VirtualHost the DNS entry still applies, of course. Make sure you have an A record for your domain. (If you don't know how to do that, ask your DNS admin or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html) $ host paulm.com paulm.com A 195.82.114.220 $ HTH, Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If I sat on a monkey, then your a virgin. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/ -- Eric Cholet
Re: The Perl Color?
Lusercop wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 08:58:09AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: [vi screendump] The syntax command is unknown. You didn't show the highlighting! That bit comes up as rev video on my screen. Lusercop identifies /J\ as using nvi. Lusercop's original post was with sun vi. M-x identify-self-in-third-person-mode -- Ti'
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
praise for h2xs
How about looking at ExtUtils::ModuleMaker?
http://search.cpan.org/author/RGEOFFREY/ExtUtils-ModuleMaker/lib/ExtUtils/ModuleMaker.pm
Mark.
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Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc.
At 10:36 +0200 6/6/03, Eric Cholet wrote: Even easier, forget the redirect: VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com ServerAlias paulm.com /VirtualHost the DNS entry still applies, of course. This basically creates two websites with the same content: www.paulm.com and paulm.com. Most crawlers nowadays realize they're the same site, but there used to be a time when both would get indexed always. That may or may not be what you want. Also: many browsers nowadays prefix www. to a domain name if there is no A record for the domain name itself. So unless you really want the URL of the website to be without the www., you don't really have to do anything really for most Internet users. Liz
Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc.
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 10:36:02AM +0200, Eric Cholet wrote: Even easier, forget the redirect: VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com ServerAlias paulm.com /VirtualHost The one downside to this is that the browser caches these separately so links might appear in an unexpected colou?r. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If I dance with you, would you dance with me next time. I am too old to wait for the last dance, then set your head on fire. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: The Perl Color?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 09:48:19AM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote: Lusercop wrote: Lusercop identifies /J\ as using nvi. Lusercop's original post was with sun vi. M-x identify-self-in-third-person-mode What's this M-x rubbish? :-) -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: *On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: * * praise for h2xs * *How about looking at ExtUtils::ModuleMaker? I'm aware of ModuleMaker and even stuck a blurb about it in the CPAN talk at TPC when he was just releasing it. I have no tool bias but would really like it if people would use them more often and more consistently. Far too many modules are missing the most basic of details on CPAN, many by people who should know better and even gripe about how bad CPAN is. e.
Re: The Perl Color?
Lusercop wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 09:48:19AM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote: Lusercop wrote: Lusercop identifies /J\ as using nvi. Lusercop's original post was with sun vi. M-x identify-self-in-third-person-mode What's this M-x rubbish? Just take this red pill, labelled emacs.rpm. You'll soon find out how deep the elisp hole really goes. -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc.
Alex Hudson wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 10:04:30AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com ServerAlias paulm.com /VirtualHost The one downside to this is that the browser caches these separately so links might appear in an unexpected colou?r. And makes adding an https:// site 'interesting'. And potentially makes cookie stuff on the site not work properly :/ Sure, adding extra requirements (cookies, SSL, ...) indeed modifies the solution, that's no surprise. -- Eric Cholet
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Re: The Perl Color?
Dominic Mitchell wrote: Lusercop wrote: What's this M-x rubbish? Just take this red pill, labelled emacs.rpm. You'll soon find out how deep the elisp hole really goes. What's that .rpm rubbish ?
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Re: MS Office, Klingon Edition
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Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc.
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 11:32:15AM +0200, Eric Cholet wrote: VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com ServerAlias paulm.com /VirtualHost The one downside to this is that the browser caches these separately so links might appear in an unexpected colou?r. And makes adding an https:// site 'interesting'. And potentially makes cookie stuff on the site not work properly :/ Sure, adding extra requirements (cookies, SSL, ...) indeed modifies the solution, that's no surprise. It probably is to someone asking the question in the first place :) P -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If I wash my car tomorrow, then you can count on me! -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Last-ish call for YAPC::EU travel/accomodation
Many thanks to everyone who has replied requesting various combinations of travel and accomodation. I will be submitting the list to the travel agent on Monday morning. After this time I can't guarantee that we'll be able to get extra people into the hotel so make sure I get your details before Monday. More details here : http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-May/56.html Simon. -- Bambleweeny 57 Submeson Brain
Sushi at Gonbei - 20th June
In between the beer and the other interesting happenings of last night we seemed to have hatched a plan to ensure that Red leaves the country by going out for *fine* Japanese food before he goes. I'm sure there's logic in that. So, who's up for a gathering at the Gonbei on Friday the 20th of June? I think we'll be opting for a sit-down because the feed-me tactics I've heard of could end up dangerous and expensive, with such a large gathering. I don't mind taking on the herding duties and doing the booking, unless someone who eats there more frequently would rather book? Sushi, then? Marna
Re: Last-ish call for YAPC::EU travel/accomodation
could you just comfirm that im on the list? * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Many thanks to everyone who has replied requesting various combinations of travel and accomodation. I will be submitting the list to the travel agent on Monday morning. After this time I can't guarantee that we'll be able to get extra people into the hotel so make sure I get your details before Monday. More details here : http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-May/56.html Simon. -- Bambleweeny 57 Submeson Brain -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sushi at Gonbei - 20th June
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 13:16, Marna Gilligan wrote: In between the beer and the other interesting happenings of last night we seemed to have hatched a plan to ensure that Red leaves the country by going out for *fine* Japanese food before he goes. I'm sure there's logic in that. So, who's up for a gathering at the Gonbei on Friday the 20th of June? I think we'll be opting for a sit-down because the feed-me tactics I've heard of could end up dangerous and expensive, with such a large gathering. I don't mind taking on the herding duties and doing the booking, unless someone who eats there more frequently would rather book? Sushi, then? At what sort of time? I have an evensong to sing in the city during the afternoon. Dirk -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
Re: Sushi at Gonbei - 20th June
On 6 Jun 2003, Dirk Koopman wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 13:16, Marna Gilligan wrote: [amazing plans involving food] Sushi, then? At what sort of time? I have an evensong to sing in the city during the afternoon. Sorry - was being a bit dim there. Evening, I would imagine. Seven or afterwards, depending on who wants to come adn when they can be there for. Marna
Re: Sushi at Gonbei - 20th June
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 13:30, Marna Gilligan wrote: On 6 Jun 2003, Dirk Koopman wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 13:16, Marna Gilligan wrote: [amazing plans involving food] Sushi, then? At what sort of time? I have an evensong to sing in the city during the afternoon. Sorry - was being a bit dim there. Evening, I would imagine. Seven or afterwards, depending on who wants to come adn when they can be there for. Count me in ... Dirk -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc.
Original Message: - From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:56:35 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: www. KICK! DOWN! orwhatevershouldonecallit plus misc. On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 11:32:15AM +0200, Eric Cholet wrote: VirtualHost 195.82.114.220 ServerName www.paulm.com ServerAlias paulm.com /VirtualHost The one downside to this is that the browser caches these separately so links might appear in an unexpected colou?r. And makes adding an https:// site 'interesting'. And potentially makes cookie stuff on the site not work properly :/ Sure, adding extra requirements (cookies, SSL, ...) indeed modifies the solution, that's no surprise. It probably is to someone asking the question in the first place :) P - Thanks to you all for the info and the data I can actupon. I've visted Makepeace site and he actually got the www. KICK! DOWN! (credit to him for that) Have you or any one else experienced any actual probs? Or any other for that matter. With risk of writing rubbish since tired and confused. Yes, https:// I want. What would be the potential possible cookie problems then. The page expired issue: I hate that. That is to do with cookies I think. Lets say you complete a form. Is cookie required to remember what was entered if going backwards!? What is the need of a cookie if it just gonna expire to fast or to late!? When filling in a secure order form. Is a cookie maybe required if you would link back to the form would a cookie not be required if you Javascripted backwards in history instead of a link!? These are som random thought at the moment. Marcus mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: The Perl Color?
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: Dominic Mitchell wrote: Lusercop wrote: What's this M-x rubbish? Just take this red pill, labelled emacs.rpm. You'll soon find out how deep the elisp hole really goes. What's that .rpm rubbish ? Just take this red Hat, labelled rpm.rpm. You'll soon find out how deep the python hole really goes. -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]grasping but amused drag queen, n. A move in GUI chess. -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
Re: The Perl Color?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 08:43:33AM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: What's that .rpm rubbish ? Just take this red Hat, labelled rpm.rpm. You'll soon find out how deep the python hole really goes. What I'd like is debian.rpm In my dreams rpm -i debian.rpm would upgrade your system to Debian. I suppose I better make it clear that I don't actually dream about this, or more accurately I rarely remember my dreams, and none have involved Linux distributions. Nicholas Clark
Re: Last-ish call for YAPC::EU travel/accomodation
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 01:00:52PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: Many thanks to everyone who has replied requesting various combinations of travel and accomodation. http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-May/56.html You don't have an option for travel only - is it going to be possible to do that? Much that I love london.pm, I suspect that I may be sharing with someone from another PM group. And generally I find that in the company of london.pm I sometimes drink too much. I blame the beer. It's the beer's fault. Must be. And given that hotels don't have closing time ... Nicholas Clark
Re: Last-ish call for YAPC::EU travel/accomodation
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: You don't have an option for travel only - is it going to be possible to do that? Probably, I'll talk to you offlist about it. Much that I love london.pm, I suspect that I may be sharing with someone from another PM group. And generally I find that in the company of london.pm I sometimes drink too much. I blame the beer. It's the beer's fault. Must be. And given that hotels don't have closing time ... Only sometimes. You have better willpower than me :-( Simon. -- They hung in the air exactly the same way bricks don't.
Re: The Perl Color?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:06:01PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: What I'd like is debian.rpm In my dreams rpm -i debian.rpm would upgrade your system to Debian. I suppose I better make it clear that I don't actually dream about this, or more accurately I rarely remember my dreams, and none have involved Linux distributions. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. I once did so much ML before exams I had waking auditory hallucinations. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If you believe it works, then a good vindaloo resolves you of all responsibility. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: The Perl Color?
Nicholas Clark wrote: I suppose I better make it clear that I don't actually dream about this, or more accurately I rarely remember my dreams, and none have involved Linux distributions. I once dreamt of two of my tech coworkers. They were in a bookshop, putting copies of one of the dilbert books in the dust jackets of copies of a sensible-looking management textbook, and of them them was explaining how this was a good example of why from unreliable sources, such as DNS, couldn't be trusted, and why data should be authenticated etc to prevent that sort of attack. Then I woke up. Ti
Re: The Perl Color?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:39:25PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote: I once dreamt of two of my tech coworkers. They were in a bookshop, putting copies of one of the dilbert books in the dust jackets of copies of a sensible-looking management textbook, and of them them was explaining how this was a good example of why from unreliable sources, such as DNS, couldn't be trusted, and why data should be authenticated etc to prevent that sort of attack. DNS can't, and this is a good examp Q$(%(K:LL^()^(:KLL:KJSB(_^)@@'#~)(^NO CARRIER -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
At 04:58 AM 6/6/2003, you wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: praise for h2xs How about looking at ExtUtils::ModuleMaker? http://search.cpan.org/author/RGEOFFREY/ExtUtils-ModuleMaker/lib/ExtUtils/ModuleMaker.pm And after being lazy for many months, a new version of ModuleMaker will be out before I say a few words about it at YAPC::Boca_Raton. You can read the YAPC::Munich version of the talk http://www.platypiventures.com/perl/present/yapcNA2002/yapcEU2002/001.html now or wait for the new and improved version coming soon. I have a small wish list of comments/suggestions that I have received and am building into the next release. If you want to add to the list this would be a good time. - Geoff
Re: The Perl Color [and weird dreams]?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:39:25PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: I suppose I better make it clear that I don't actually dream about this, or more accurately I rarely remember my dreams, and none have involved Linux distributions. I once dreamt of two of my tech coworkers. They were in a bookshop, putting copies of one of the dilbert books in the dust jackets of copies of a sensible-looking management textbook, and of them them was explaining how this was a good example of why from unreliable sources, such as DNS, couldn't be trusted, and why data should be authenticated etc to prevent that sort of attack. Then I woke up. ... to discover that your mate did not anymore reply to her proper name? -- stef Ti
Re: Sushi at Gonbei - 20th June
On Fri 06 Jun 2003, Marna Gilligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, who's up for a gathering at the Gonbei on Friday the 20th of June? Me. Kake
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, R. Geoffrey Avery wrote:
I have a small wish list of comments/suggestions that I have received and
am building into the next release. If you want to add to the list this
would be a good time.
Module::Build support.
Numerous other small features.
Any chance you could put this into some form of publically accessable VCS
so we could help you out a lot more?
Mark.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 05:31 pm, Mark Fowler wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, R. Geoffrey Avery wrote: I have a small wish list of comments/suggestions that I have received and am building into the next release. If you want to add to the list this would be a good time. Module::Build support. Numerous other small features. Here's a related (but slightly OT) request: updated perl documentation that points to alternative utilities like these. For example, it would be nice to see mention in: man pages: perlnewmod perlmodstyle, 'Packaging' section online resources: http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html And perhaps even in h2xs itself. -Steve
Re: international beer summit
On Thursday, June 5, 2003 10:43 +0100 Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/06/2003 at 10:22 +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: I smell a trip to the Jerusalem Tavern. Well, yes, it's close to where Perrin is staying, and it's a nice pub. However, for a meeting involving more than about four people, it's too small, unless you're able to nab the large table at the back. (Even then, there's a lot of shuffling about as people go to the bar, and so on). The Yorkshire Grey isn't that far up the road, and is much larger, if you're going to force me to pick a pub around there. I'm sure other people could suggest something better, though. Three Cups, Cowcross St. There's a couple of pubs whose names I forget up at the top end of Cowcross St, opposite Smithfield market. There's an *excellent* curry house on Cowcross St too, right opposite Farringdon tube. -- David Cantrell Beekeeping is like being a lion tamer, but with smaller lions, and more of them. -- arp
Re: Making perl modules for CPAN
On Thursday, June 5, 2003 13:14 +0100 Shevek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upload the lot. It's only 10Kb. We are no longer running at 14.4; management overhead costs more than bandwidth. Yes bandwidth is cheap, so we shouldn't care about efficiency. Same applies to memory and CPU too. I will in future insist that rather than using CVS, we store all previous versions of our code in an Oracle database. To be fair though, in this particular case you're right, he should re-upload the whole package. In the general case though, for those that say bandwidth is cheap I give you the counter-example of myself. When not connected via ethernet and DSL or better, I usually use a 9.6kbps modem. It may be cheap in terms of the phone bill (the call is free) but it's bloody irritating when thoughtless people expect me to download more than is necesary. -- David Cantrell
reading other people's lexicals
I have a little problem. There is another module which has something interesting in a file scope lexical variable. Bah. I can hook into a call from a subroutine in that module, so I've looked at PadWalker as a way of getting at it, but it seems that it can only see lexicals defined within the subroutine. I'm not sure if this is an unintended limitation of PadWalker. Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions on how to sneak in and look? It's for something in Acme::*, so the hackier the better. Nicholas Clark
