[LUTE] Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving David... About Yt, thanks for pointitng, I had not noticed... (I was too busy on my ukulele channel...) Anyway, perhaps I'm an ambassador of the lute in the virtual world... ;-) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de David Tayler Envoyé : jeudi 22 novembre 2012 19:35 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Happy Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving from Voices of Music In between the Turkey and the football game, here is Dominique Labelle singing Vivaldi "In turbato mare" http://youtu.be/ZjAooY2vj0I?hd=1 And also a special shout out to Luthval, who has cruised past the 2,000,000 mark on his YouTube channel Awesome! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New! -
My try on CII http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/ Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de r.turov...@gmail.com Envoyé : jeudi 18 octobre 2012 18:15 À : Martyn Hodgson Cc : Roman Turovsky; Lutelist Objet : [LUTE] New! - Two new Cantiones: CII - [1]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/406.mp3 [2]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/406.pdf CI - [3]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/405.mp3 [4]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/405.pdf Enjoy, RT -- References 1. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/405.mp3 2. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/405.pdf 3. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/405.mp3 4. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/405.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mechanical Pegs
You need the mechanical "peg" arms like "inspector gadget" (child cartoon)... -Message d'origine- .now, if somebody could double the length of my left arm, it might be possible to tune my theorbo diapasons on the fly! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: fret gut
My new vihuela (by Didier Jarny) have same diameter frets on all neck (0.7) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Ariel Abramovich Envoyé : mercredi 15 août 2012 12:43 À : Sam Chapman Cc : Martyn Hodgson; Lute List; Stuart Walsh Objet : [LUTE] Re: fret gut Hi Sam, That's pretty much it. That's what Bermudo says. I can transcribe the full quote, but you've got it right anyway! Best, Ariel > Dear all, > > Some time ago I read something about fretting vihuelas, probably > Bermudo: as I remember, the "best" vihuelas can be fretted with the > same thickness of gut all the way up the neck. Can somebody quote this > source more accurately? > > Best, > > Sam > On 15 August 2012 11:46, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >Dear Stuart, >Many people nowadays use a quite large diameter first fret >(around 1.00mm or even more on a relatively small [60cm] lute) > but, as >Martin points out, the best record of actual historic fret sizes > is >John Dowland (in Varietie) which suggests significantly thinner > frets - >these allow a lute to be 'set fine' ie minimum distance between > string >and fingerboard at the higher frets, so easing higher fret > fingering. >I try to aim for first fret at 0.90mm on this size of instrument > but, >again as Martin points out, this depends on the set of your > particular >instrument. So that if the neck has pulled up a bit, or even >incorrectly set from the start, you can use almost same diameter > frets >right up the fingerboard (around 0.70mm) - like a modern > 'classical' >guitar. But if the neck set is in the same plane as the belly (at > the >bridge) you may well need graduated frets. As said, I aim for a >setting on this size lute which allows from 0.90 (first) down to > around >0.50mm (8th fret). >Thomas Mace also gives some info (again, hurrah Thos.!): 'with a > fine >smooth File, cut the Notches to a convenient depth so that all > your >Strings may lye at an even and equal height, from the > Finger-Board, >which would be about the thickness of a Half-Crown, or a little >more;'. So if you know the thickness of a halfcrown in 1676 you > know >the distance from the underside of the strings to the fingerboard > at >the nut he's advocating and hence you may judge the diameter of > his >ideal first fret. >Finally, Martin raises the matter of double v single loop frets: > in >fact there is no early evidence for the use of single loop frets > with >the noticeable exception, again, of the all-inclusive Thos Mace > who, it >should be noted, when it comes down to describing how to tie a > fret >desribes the usual double loop. You may care to see my paper on > this >very subject in the forthcoming issue of FoMRHI Quarterly. >regards >Martyn > From: Martin Shepherd <[2]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: fret gut > To: "Lute List" <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Tuesday, 14 August, 2012, 21:14 > > Hi Stuart, > It depends on the height of the nut. The first fret has to be as > high > as it can be without buzzing (in normal play, and this is > surprisingly > high), and so on up the neck. This may involve reducing fret sizes > as > one goes "up" the neck, it may not. > Historically Dowland suggested using a fourth course string (about > .75mm?) for the first fret, but he was talking about double frets. > Best wishes, > Martin > 14/08/2012 21:01, WALSH STUART wrote: >>Is there a set of standard gauges of fret gut for a typical G > lute, >>60cms string length? >>And, if so, what are they? >>Stuart >>-- >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >-- > References >1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > Sam Chapman > Oetlingerstrasse 65 > 4057 Basel > (0041) 79 530 39 91 > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk > 2. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk > 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] TRe: YouTube going too far?
I had often the same problem (Dowland, Narvaez, Milan, Bach...). I just disput the claim and usually they automatically withdrawn. Last one was about "la Cancion del Emperador"... I disput the claim (by Harry Fox Cie) but they maintain it, I had to delete the video, then to post it again, they again claim on it and I argue in the disput with the fact it was published in Spain in 1538 (so public domain), that I played myself, from the original source and I add the following text : "Music and lyrics published in 1922 or earlier are in the Public Domain in the United States. No one can claim ownership of a song in the public domain. Public Domain music and songs may be used by anyone . . . without permission, without royalties, and without any limitations whatsoever." And sayed that the Harry fox claim was an abuse of the copyright laws. (I find the text quoted here : http://www.pdinfo.com/ ) I think it is important to write : "Public domain", "original source", and to mention the date of publication of the music played (and country too). Valéry -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de David van Ooijen Envoyé : jeudi 5 juillet 2012 16:15 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: YouTube going too far? On 5 July 2012 16:05, Ron Andrico wrote: > To make a long story short, the only words Youtube needs to see in > response is that the music is in the Public Domain, or the person > posting the music is the verified copyright holder. The challenge is > then automatically withdrawn. It is not. Because this is the second time YouTube challenges this particular (and not at all popular) video. I'm not in it for the money, but coorperation claiming Greensleeves simply feels wrong. I also post 'fingerstyle covers' of pop songs (I've just recorded Paradise by Sade, early music of sorts. I will upload later today). Obviously these are far more popular, and obviously there are copyright holders involved who claim their share. Fair enough. But Greensleeves ... David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
Im afraid attachment are not allowed here... Ask me if interested...
V.
-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de Sauvage Valéry
Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2012 20:19
À : 'Lute List'
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Calatas
Yes you're right, there is a note in "Le Luth et sa Musique" from 1957 (CNRS
editions) by G. Thibault about an early italian ms (from around 1501-1505 ?)
with a very short Calata f. 52-53.
It is said it is probably the earliest lute Ms, before Capirola...
Here is the modern transcription included in the book...
Valéry
-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de Rockford Mjos Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2012 17:05 À : Monica Hall Cc :
Lutelist Objet : [LUTE] Re: Calatas
I believe there is also a Calata in the Thibault Ms.
-- R
On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
> That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the
> 16th century?
>
> MOnica
>
> - Original Message - From: "A. J. Ness"
>
> To: "Monica Hall"
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas
>
>
>> Marco dall'Aquila #24 ("D'una cosa spagnuola")/Francesco #45
>> (Ricercar) has
>> the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps
>> it's a basse danse. See
>>
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html
>>
>> The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has
>> the Marco Motive.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall"
>>
>> To: "Lutelist"
>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM
>> Subject: [LUTE] Calatas
>>
>>
>>> Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title "Calata".
>>> Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the
>>> formula
>>> I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as "di Fiorenza"
>>> and is
>>> 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a
>>> major
>>> key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in
>>> D
>>> major and 3/4 time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata
>>> is a
>>> 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the
>>> intervening
>>> period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced
>>> after such a long period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
--
[LUTE] Re: Calatas
Yes you're right, there is a note in "Le Luth et sa Musique" from 1957 (CNRS
editions) by G. Thibault about an early italian ms (from around 1501-1505 ?)
with a very short Calata f. 52-53.
It is said it is probably the earliest lute Ms, before Capirola...
Here is the modern transcription included in the book...
Valéry
-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de Rockford Mjos
Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2012 17:05
À : Monica Hall
Cc : Lutelist
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Calatas
I believe there is also a Calata in the Thibault Ms.
-- R
On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
> That is useful, but are there any later example from the end of the
> 16th century?
>
> MOnica
>
> - Original Message - From: "A. J. Ness"
>
> To: "Monica Hall"
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Calatas
>
>
>> Marco dall'Aquila #24 ("D'una cosa spagnuola")/Francesco #45
>> (Ricercar) has
>> the calata cantus firmus running though it. It's so early perhaps
>> it's a basse danse. See
>>
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/lapptr.html
>>
>> The piece is probably by Marco, since even the Francesco version has
>> the Marco Motive.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall"
>>
>> To: "Lutelist"
>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:34 PM
>> Subject: [LUTE] Calatas
>>
>>
>>> Montesardo and Costanza include pieces with the title "Calata".
>>> Montesardo's seems to be in common time and just repeats the
>>> formula
>>> I IV V. Costanza's is actually described as "di Fiorenza"
>>> and is
>>> 6/4 time and has a rather odd harmonic scheme - it starts in a
>>> major
>>> key and ends in a minor key. Millioni (1627) also has a Calata in
>>> D
>>> major and 3/4 time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to my rather out of date Harvard dictionary the Calata
>>> is a
>>> 16th century dance and Dalza is the only source of examples.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of any other sources of Calatas in the
>>> intervening
>>> period. It seems strange that it should suddenly have resurfaced
>>> after such a long period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: Dürer
The Durer's lute looks like the Ambassador's one (look at the pegs...) Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Sean Smith Envoyé : vendredi 4 mai 2012 21:39 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Dürer Oh my God! It's full of stars! And now I know how to divide a circle in 5, 15 or 17 sections. Thank you, Andreas! Sean On May 4, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Have a look at this: http://www.e-rara.ch/zuz/misc/content/titleinfo/2475220 Page 178 is "our" picture, but here's also the context! Enjoy! Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] New vihuela
Hello, I'm happy to present my new vihuela, made by Didier Jarny... Rosewood and maple back and sides, maple neck and head, snakewood fretboard. Probably not an historical model (but iconographical inspiration), we choose, with Didier the woods and decoration and he did a fantastic job, and the instrument is nice looking, nice sounding, and very well set up, so easy to play. So here it is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHj3pACSKc Valéry ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Paul O'Dette interview
-Message d'origine- De la part de Edward Mast Objet : [LUTE] Re: Paul O'Dette interview I hope Val exaggerates when he says "many on the list will be glad. . .". Of course, it was some kind of joke... ;-) V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A couple of lutenists?
I won't say he is a lutenist, he is a guitarist playing a lute shaped guitar... (IMO) (oups, can of worms ???) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de hera caius Envoyé : samedi 7 avril 2012 20:38 À : Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: A couple of lutenists? The lutenist of Giardino Armonico is Luca Pianca (from Italian Switzerland). He is an amazing lutenist and more interesting he is an declared non-historical (his archlute is constructed more like a guitar and he use huge tensions to strings). 1. http://ohjelma.yle.fi/ohjelmat/1421774 2. http://ohjelma.yle.fi/ohjelmat/1421775 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
I agree with this post... -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de A.J. Padilla MD Objet : [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute? In medicine, we have a saying, "The most important part of the stethoscope lies between the earpieces." It's in the fingers (or rather, the corpus striatum in the brain). Al To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
-Message d'origine- Objet : [LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity I love watching the Good the Bad and the Ugly. Love this song too, by the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain... Lol !!! V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
Oh, here the case is clear... Make money... (with advertising) ;-) V; -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de hera caius Envoyé : dimanche 25 mars 2012 17:23 À : Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity Example: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSbnTIRxqY As I watch it several times...more and more it became strange and I try to understand... P.S.This is one of my favorites -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSbnTIRxqY To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
Perhaps the question is why people are posting music on YT (and other). You are waiting only for top quality , like CD (oh I also know some bad CDs...) or is YT a place were people can express themselves, what ever is their level or abilities ? It is the same for all instruments, not just lute and early gutiars, look for videos of amateur pianist or classical guitarist, mandolin and so... Some people play for their friend and family, for their own pleasure, for making themselves friends, for their ego (principal reason I guess). Where is the problem ? Should it be a "censure" ? Should only graduate people from the best school be authorized to post ? Or is it a free place ? And you can choose to listen, like, favorite some and not others. In fact for my sake I'm quite happy many people take the lute, because then more people heard about, come to the concerts, buy the CDs, buy a lute, take lessons. And from time to time I find a new lutenist playing so well that I'm inspired by (last one for me was Philippe Cuny and I'm very glad he start posting). Ok there is good and bad, lets take the good and ignore the bad. ;-) Val (I'm afraid many would send me on the bad side, but in fact, I don't care...) -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de hera caius Envoyé : dimanche 25 mars 2012 16:16 À : Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Quality vs Quantity It's already a few years I watch videos on youtube of lutenists (and early guitarists). I must say the number of recordings tripled in just a few years but to be honest and not wanting to hurt anybody, some of the recordings are very wrong if not moronic at all... In between there are the "real" recordings which doesn't has a subtitle like: "I was first reading the piece..." or "I just started to play the lute a few minutes ago and I thought to record it..." or "I was tired and the lute was miraculously out of tune..." or my favorite: "I tried a different interpretation..." What do you think, is it helpful to fill the YT with this things or: lesser is better? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Videos YT
Some videos on YT by french lutenist Philippe Cuny, enjoy ! (Da Milano N51 & N81) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReGjRnUz-QY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwj9KZMFG9U Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pakistani "Selas"
Look on the early guitar ning group, there is a topic about this, with Rob McKillop testing the instrument for a student. Valéry -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de hera caius Envoyé : jeudi 2 février 2012 20:30 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Pakistani "Selas" Has anyone tried this guitars what you can find on almost every sites for instruments? I am very curious how it sounds and how it really looks. [1]http://www.ethnicmusicalinstruments.com/Roosebeck-5-Course-Sellas-Ba roque-Guitar-Hard-Case-.html [2]http://www.thomann.de/ro/thomann_baroque_guitar.htm [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/BAROQUE-GUITAR-SELLAS-5-COURSE-TAYLOR-/25098 6031110?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6feee806 (look at this guy's price...exactly the same guitar) [4]http://www.fernandezmusic.com/BaroqueGuitar.html [5]http://www.amazon.com/Baroque-Guitar-Sellas-5-course-Taylor/dp/B003I LW6ZU (a funny one...) [6]http://www.bytheswordinc.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=10323&SEName =baroque-guitar-sellas-5-course-taylor-47-gbslazt etc. -- References 1. http://www.ethnicmusicalinstruments.com/Roosebeck-5-Course-Sellas-Baroque-Gu itar-Hard-Case-.html 2. http://www.thomann.de/ro/thomann_baroque_guitar.htm 3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BAROQUE-GUITAR-SELLAS-5-COURSE-TAYLOR-/250986031110? pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6feee806 4. http://www.fernandezmusic.com/BaroqueGuitar.html 5. http://www.amazon.com/Baroque-Guitar-Sellas-5-course-Taylor/dp/B003ILW6ZU 6. http://www.bytheswordinc.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=10323&SEName=baroque -guitar-sellas-5-course-taylor-47-gbslazt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: who is this guy?
-Message d'origine- As far as the Glute goes, does it sound significantly different from an 8 string guitar? Probably some kind of cheap liuto forte ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String material and inharmonicity
Hi Bill, on my lute I have KF (Savarez) strings from 2 to 7 courses (and octave of the 8th), including basses, the only wounded I'm using is the bass of 8th. For the first I'm using nylon, as KF is really too thin. The KF for basses are harp strings I think (KFG ?), and the result is much better than copper or silver wounded strings, and close to gut basses. The info about those strings was given to me by Carlos Gonzales, Spanish luthier. You can hear how it sounds on my last videos. For example this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvy8J82ChLg Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de William Samson Envoyé : samedi 26 novembre 2011 17:41 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] String material and inharmonicity Dear Collective Wisdom, Up until now I've mostly used nylon for my lute strings and it seems to be the case that nylon can't be used below the third course because fretted notes will not be true due to the material being too stiff. I have successfully used ordinary gut for a 4th course without problems. I am also aware that high-twist gut, roped gut and loaded gut work well on lower courses, but cost a lot. Does anybody know how nylgut, 'new' nylgut and fluorocarbon behave as 4th course strings? Are any of them satisfactory? Or would wound strings be needed? Any insights will be gratefully received, as I am planning to re-string my 10c lute - I'd like to stick with synthetics for cost reasons, but would also like to minimise the use of wound strings as far as possible. Thanks in advance! Bill PS I have also posted this discussion on lutegroup.ning.com - apologies for cross posting -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras
This is a very sad day... A most beautiful woman, voice and soul. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras Sad indeed - an exciting performer. On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: > Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. > > Bruno Cognyl-Fournier > Montreal > > > > > > > > > > > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Any vestigial Renaissance spots left?
And also Cordes sur Ciel, in Tarn, with a mid summer festival. Of course the "Chateaux de la Loire" : Chambord, Chenonceaux and Azay le Rideau, for the most famous ones... And "Le Clos Lucé", in Amboise, the Leonardo da Vinci's last residence, a must see... V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Alain Envoyé : mercredi 26 octobre 2011 17:35 À : 'Lute List' Objet : [LUTE] Re: Any vestigial Renaissance spots left? Sarlat in South West France is very well preserved and has extremely good preserves. Alain On 10/26/2011 12:54 AM, William Samson wrote: > Lots of places in Europe - Florence in particular is outstanding, as is > Venice, but many ancient cities have their old part, such as > Edinburgh's High Street and the area around it. > Bill > From: Herbert Ward > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011, 1:58 > Subject: [LUTE] Any vestigial Renaissance spots left? > Laboring under the idea that the Renaissance musicians were a product > of their times, I wonder to what extent it might be possible to visit, > as a tourist, spots in the world with Renaissance-like attributes in > their culture (cities, neighborhoods, music schools, etc). > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Video
A nice video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORFXci2pz0 ;-) Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Galilei lute works
What about the Fronimo Dialogo : Fac simile here : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k582176 Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de be...@interlog.com Envoyé : vendredi 5 août 2011 18:41 À : LuteNet list Objet : [LUTE] Galilei lute works Hi, folks - a couple questions about Galilei lute works: Is the Primo Libro D'intavolatura di Liuto the only collection of his stuff, or did he write more? I've got the Edizioni Suvini Zerboni of this book - found it in the Toronto library. Would anyone know how where I might go to find my own copy? Thank - hope everyone is enjoying the summer - BCS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Scottish viol and guitar
Tonight in my little village, a concert of viols (Jonathan Dunford and Sylvia Abramovicz, playing Marais and Sainte Colombe, beautiful music and musicians !) At the end of the concert I bought a CD of Scottish viol and baroque guitar, "Love is the Cause" played by Jonathan Dunford and Rob MacKillop. Réf Alpha 530 (to be realesed in June) Highly recommended... ;-) All the best, Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] TRe: Foscarini Experience again
I think there was some Foscarini in the Alfabeto CD by Lislevand... (with fancy vocal improvisations by Ariana Savall...) Not his best recording... V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Peter Martin Envoyé : vendredi 1 avril 2011 10:50 À : Lutelist Objet : [LUTE] Re: Foscarini Experience again The presence of the soprano sax in this photo suggests that "historically informed" isn't their top priority... [1]http://www.myspace.com/thefoscariniexperience/photos/490584#%7B%22Im ageId%22%3A490584%7D However ... do the printed versions of this music tell the whole story? I was looking recently at the Corbetta 1639 book, kindly made available by Daniel Shoskes on the ning early guitar forum. [2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/corbetta-first-book-1639 Although all the pieces are for solo guitar, in the introduction he gives instructions 'per accordar quattro Chitarre di Concerto', or how to tune four different sized guitars together. Counting up from the largest, the guitars are a major third, a fourth and a fifth higher. What was the purpose of this instruction? A merry band of guitars all thrashing away together, in what must have been quite a departure from the printed versions. By the way, this book uses alfabeto for a delicious musical acrostic on page 60, spelling out the name of patron CONTE ODOARDO in chord symbols. P On 1 April 2011 09:14, Monica Hall <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Well - I've got this CD. The Fosco and Brizeno pieces are their own elaborations of minimal material and the way in which the Corbetta in particular and Bartolotti to some extent are played departs quite a bit from the printed versions. I don't think really these people really make any attempt to play the music in a "historically informed way"..or have any relevant knowledge at all. Everyone is just fooled by their virtuosity. Cynically Monica - Original Message - From: "Stuart Walsh" <[4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> Cc: "Lutelist" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 9:06 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Foscarini Experience again On 31/03/2011 22:08, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 31/03/2011 19:53, Monica Hall wrote: I came across this CD by the group Foscarini Experience with the title "Bon voyage" some time ago. I looked around to see if I could hear some of the tracks as samples. Couldn't find anything but I did find an album by 'Private Musicke' (who played at Edinburgh last year with an opera singer) and there are some samples from this album, Echo de Paris: [6]http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Accent/ACC24173#listen It's interesting that the one solo of Corbetta's and the several of Bartolotti are played actually as solos - very fluently (but perhaps, at the gushing rather than the pinched, end of the spectrum) whereas Foscarini (and Briceno) get a complete makeover. Actually playing through Foscarini you struggle to find anything musically coherent at all - but on this album, his (ahem) music bursts forth as colourful, radiant and beguilingly tuneful. (i.e. this is all rather curious...where did all these arrangements come from - and arrangements of what in the first place?) Stuart In the liner notes it mentions an illustration which features Foscarini on a wagon playing the lute together with a girl with a triangle and a violone player which apparently dates from 1615 and is part of an illustration of a feast held for the Archduchess Isabella Clara Eugenia, the wife of the Archduke Albert. Does anyone know anything about this illustration and whether the lutenist is clearly identified as Foscarini. I have done a bit of surfing the net but haven't found any trace of it. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Peter Martin 24 The Mount St Georges Second Avenue Newcastle under Lyme ST5 8RB tel: 0044 (0)1782 662089 mob: 0044 (0)7971 232614 [8]peter.l...@gmail.com -- References 1. http://www.myspace.com/thefoscariniexperience/photos/490584#%7B%22ImageId%22 %3A490584%7D 2. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/corbetta-first-book-1639 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Accent/ACC24173#listen 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
[LUTE] Re: Losy facsimiles
Thanks all for all the infos... ;-) I hope to get the fac simile of the Prag Ms one day... I'll look at this aria, thanks Stuart ;-) Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Stuart Walsh Envoyé : samedi 26 mars 2011 23:02 À : Monica Hall Cc : Lutelist Objet : [LUTE] Re: Losy facsimiles On 26/03/2011 21:48, Monica Hall wrote: > That's from the Czech ms. I think I sent it to you - is the previous > pieces something to do with bells? You have cut off the page number > so I can't check. > > Monica No. I've got the Bells (Carillon de Paris and 'double') piece and I've been working on it recently. I think you said that it was from a French MS. This Aria (just a single-page hand-out), I'm fairly sure, I got from Harvey Hope...a very, very long time ago. Stuart > > - Original Message - From: "Stuart Walsh" > To: "Monica Hall" > Cc: "Martyn Hodgson" ; "Lutelist" > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:41 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Losy facsimiles > > >> I thought I had a photocopy of a Losy piece somewhere. I found this - >> but I >> don't think it is Losy (Logy). I don't know what it is: >> >> http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Aria.jpg >> >> >> I used to have a Baroque lute and I had a go at quite a few Losy pieces >> (mainly suites in a Brussels MS published by Alamire? and also a 1970s >> Czech (?) collection of lute music - in all, quite a lot of music). >> Anyway, I don't recall any of them matching the guitar pieces that >> Michael >> Treder transcribed. >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Fac similes
About fac-similes, I wonder if there is a place I can find the baroque guitar suites by Logy. I have the intabulations by Michael Treder (http://www.tabulatura.de/), but I'm interested by the original sources, and if there is more guitar music. In fact is this music just a modern intabulation of lute stuff ? Michael Treder gave the information of the Prag National Library. ( but no digitalized files on their website) Thanks for your help. Valery -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: German tablature
Oh I thought the father was Oldsidler, and the son Newsidler... ;-))) Objet : [LUTE] Re: German tablature Bothe father and son write it NEW on their frontpages To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
-Message d'origine- I didn't know that KF went thicker than about .85 or .90, at .95 and thicker I only have KFG (carbon fiber gut) which I use on the vihuela 5th & 6th course, and diapasons on the archlute. Is your KF clear, or somewhat off-white, almost beige in color and cloudy? Have fun with the new strings. Dan 84 is clear, 116 and 127 are cloudy (usually used for harps, but very nice as bourdons on lutes !!!) I'll try .42 and .40 and will tell here ;-) Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
-Message d'origine- Could you tell us your string length, string diameters & tension, pitch standard? Thank you, Dan Here are the infos : Strings : NNG (new nylgut Aquila) KF (Savarez KF) Lute string length 60 cm, A 440 The references of the KF are from luthier Carlos Gonzales (Spain) and for the NNG, calcul made by luthier Wolfgang Früh, in Paris. 1: NNG 38 (too thin I think I'll try 40 next time) tension = 3.33kg 2: NNG 48 t = 2.98 kg 3: NNG 64 t = 2.97 kg 4: NNG 79 t = 2.85 5 : KF 84, NNG 52 t = 2.43 , 2.77 (I'll try to change the 84 KF by the NNG next time) 6: KF 116, NNG 70 t = 2.60, 2.82 7: KF 127, NNG 79 t = 2.47, 2.85 8: Kurchner copper KN 5185, NNG 94 t = 2.76, 2.86 (will try to change the KN by a Savarez KF, but I'm afraid it will be too big fot the bridge and peg holes ???) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses
I think you're true about the chanterelle, I'll try another one later, this one its too thin I think. I'll give the references later in the evening (I'm busy preparing the meal now...) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Daniel Winheld Envoyé : jeudi 17 février 2011 17:20 À : Sauvage Valéry Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: New nylgut and KF basses One other obvious point I should have remembered; the recording process and what I hear on my computer may be distorting the true sound- maybe I'm all wrong about that 1st course- perhaps it must be heard in person. Too bad I can't pop over to your place anytime soon. I will be trying the NewNylgut on all courses if I ever get any. D -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] New nylgut and KF basses
As an alternative to gut, I try new nylgut and basses Savarez KF on 5-6-7th courses, (for the basses, as Carlos Gonzales told us on the french lute list.) So the only wounded string left here is the 8th course bass (not used on this recording) I keep the old string, as it is now not to bright. Here for a try on two short pieces : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRmYvxgMMvg Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] TRe: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy
-Message d'origine- Is it possible that this lute, with its string height and particular fret setting might have been recognizable as typically French, taking account of what Val points out. Some of those French dance pieces (dating from just before the painting, see Pierre Attaignant, Paris 1529-30) les Basses Dances, the Branles, etc, might have sounded quite good with such a bray harp buzz. -- I guess this high and important person, ambassador of Francis the 1st to the court of England was more playing his King favorit lutenist Alberto di Mantova's music than popular tunes (Painting is from 1533, coming of Alberto to the French court in 1528, both could have met, as the ambassador was painted here for his installation, so he was newly in England in 1533. Another point he probably bring his own lute (as said before he his painted twice by Holbein with this instrument, and that means probably he was a good player, at least a regular one...) is the lute case on the floor under the furniture. All guesses... V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Google Art project
Not the same edition... obviously ;-) Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Peter Martin Envoyé : mercredi 2 février 2011 14:41 À : Lute list Objet : [LUTE] Re: Google Art project What fabulous detail! Have a look at the actual music at: [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00027050/image_12 P 2011/2/2 Sauvage Valery <[2]sauvag...@orange.fr> --=_NextPart_001_000C_01CBC2E3.7BC71340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Avec le nouvel outil Google, on peut zoomer sur des toiles celebres... Voir pieces jointes... With the new Google Art project, nice zoom on famous painting... (see attached) Ou sinon, allez zoomer vous-meme ;-))) Or try by yourself : [3]http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-ambas sadors V. --=_NextPart_001_000C_01CBC2E3.7BC71340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"; xmlns="[5]http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40";> Avec le nouvel outil Google, on peut zoomer sur des toiles celebres… Voir pieces jointes… With the new Google Art project, nice zoom on famous painting… (see attached) Ou sinon, allez zoomer vous-meme ;-))) Or try by yourself : http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the -ambassadors">[7]http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgal lery/the-ambassadors V. --=_NextPart_001_000C_01CBC2E3.7BC71340-- -- To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Peter Martin 24 The Mount St Georges Second Avenue Newcastle under Lyme ST5 8RB tel: 0044 (0)1782 662089 mob: 0044 (0)7971 232614 [9]peter.l...@gmail.com -- References 1. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00027050/image_12 2. mailto:sauvag...@orange.fr 3. http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-ambassadors 4. http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml 5. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40 6. http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-ambassadors 7. http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-ambassadors 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19
My version of Ballo Sarmatico XVII http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33yNPtpGszQ Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Roman Turovsky Envoyé : vendredi 21 janvier 2011 15:34 À : Sauvage Valéry; 'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu' Objet : [LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 Different tessitura yields different things, and I never play anything the same way twice anyway!... RT - Original Message - From: "Sauvage Valéry" To: "'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu'" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 > Very nice, with this oriental smell. Why bar 10 is different from one > version to the other ? > I'll record it too soon... > Val > > -Message d'origine- > De : le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr [mailto:le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr] De la part > de > Roman Turovsky > Envoyé : vendredi 21 janvier 2011 14:45 > À : le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr > Objet : Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 > > Fascinating! > Stuart Walsh has already recorded it - > http://www.torban.org/balli/images/swXVII.mp3 > RT > > - Original Message - > From: "Dimitri Goldobine" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 > > >> Impressionnant! >> It's funny but several "pas" are similar to those of some french >> "branles" >> of the XVI-XVII siècles - as, for example, the lateral double step with >> the >> foot up at the end (Arbeau calls it "greve") >> DG >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Roman Turovsky" >> To: "Lutelist" ; >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:26 PM >> Subject: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 >> >> >>> >>> Ballo Sarmatico XVII ans XIX for your perusal and decectation: >>> Arkan, a dance from the Carpathian mountains - >>> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanC.pdf >>> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanC.mp3 >>> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanD.pdf >>> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanD.mp3 >>> Should be repeated lots of times, progressively faster. >>> >>> For those who might be inclined to dance, do not try this at home. >>> Staged version - >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GeudyMy3w >>> Unstaged version - >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dMLSt36e0 >>> I did that on December 30, and was out of breath >>> for an hour afterwards. >>> Enjoy. >>> Amitiés, >>> RT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Liens Yahoo! Groupes >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Liens Yahoo! Groupes >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Liens Yahoo! Groupes > > <*> Pour consulter votre groupe en ligne, accédez à : >http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/ > > <*> Vos options mail : >Mail individuel | Traditionnel > > <*> Pour modifier vos options avec le Web, allez sur : >http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/join >((Compte Yahoo! requis) > > <*> Pour modifier vos options par mail : >le_luth-dig...@yahoogroupes.fr >le_luth-fullfeatu...@yahoogroupes.fr > > <*> Pour vous désincrire de ce groupe, envoyez un mail à : >le_luth-desabonnem...@yahoogroupes.fr > > <*> L'utilisation de Yahoo! Groupes est soumise à l'acceptation des : >http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/utos.html > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19
Very nice, with this oriental smell. Why bar 10 is different from one version to the other ? I'll record it too soon... Val -Message d'origine- De : le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr [mailto:le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr] De la part de Roman Turovsky Envoyé : vendredi 21 janvier 2011 14:45 À : le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr Objet : Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 Fascinating! Stuart Walsh has already recorded it - http://www.torban.org/balli/images/swXVII.mp3 RT - Original Message - From: "Dimitri Goldobine" To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 > Impressionnant! > It's funny but several "pas" are similar to those of some french "branles" > of the XVI-XVII siècles - as, for example, the lateral double step with > the > foot up at the end (Arbeau calls it "greve") > DG > > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" > To: "Lutelist" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:26 PM > Subject: [Le_luth] Mikrokosmos IV. ##17-19 > > >> >> Ballo Sarmatico XVII ans XIX for your perusal and decectation: >> Arkan, a dance from the Carpathian mountains - >> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanC.pdf >> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanC.mp3 >> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanD.pdf >> http://www.torban.org/balli/images/arkanD.mp3 >> Should be repeated lots of times, progressively faster. >> >> For those who might be inclined to dance, do not try this at home. >> Staged version - >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GeudyMy3w >> Unstaged version - >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dMLSt36e0 >> I did that on December 30, and was out of breath >> for an hour afterwards. >> Enjoy. >> Amitiés, >> RT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Liens Yahoo! Groupes >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Liens Yahoo! Groupes > > > > Liens Yahoo! Groupes <*> Pour consulter votre groupe en ligne, accédez à : http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/ <*> Vos options mail : Mail individuel | Traditionnel <*> Pour modifier vos options avec le Web, allez sur : http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/join ((Compte Yahoo! requis) <*> Pour modifier vos options par mail : le_luth-dig...@yahoogroupes.fr le_luth-fullfeatu...@yahoogroupes.fr <*> Pour vous désincrire de ce groupe, envoyez un mail à : le_luth-desabonnem...@yahoogroupes.fr <*> L'utilisation de Yahoo! Groupes est soumise à l'acceptation des : http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/utos.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?
On 6 January 2011 14:53, Christopher Wilke wrote: >> Vivaldi used a Gibson ET440 archtop model lute with Ernie Ball strings. You mean the thing my friend Michiel had made for him, although I'm not sure about the strings you mention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHJ7OF1NDS8 David This is a REAL "liuto forte" ;- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fortune My Foe as duet, aria jacta est
-Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de David Tayler When I was working on Dowland in the late '80s, I theorized that that this piece was evidence of Dowland's ensemble pieces, which could be for a variety of different instruments, including consort. You theorized well in the late 80.. I read this in the Poulton-Lam edition (around 74 for the first edition...) See notes at the end of the book, piece n° 62. V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Just have a look at Pavel Steidl on Youtube... A great romantic guitar player. Perhaps as Karamazov you can like or not his gesture but he is a great player. The problem with Karamazov is he made some very good job (Bach on a gibson like electric guitar is really great), and some awful (I think about his version with candles of the Forlorn hope fancy...) V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Hoppy in Basel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HniKE9i7tEQ (he is playing with nylgut... ) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for a forgotten name
Maybe it is Renzo Salvador ? http://www.renzosalvador.be/fr/index.html V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Alexandros Tzimeros Envoyé : samedi 6 novembre 2010 18:48 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Looking for a forgotten name Hello everybody! I'm looking for a lute maker whose webpage I had stored in my old PC. Now I can't remember his name. The only clues I have: He must be Italian or at least his name seems to be. He is NOT appearing in the lists of makers you find typing "lute maker" in google. His web page as well as his lutes are of a very high aesthetic. He is using very beautiful textiles as a background for the photos of his instruments. He also has photos of his workshop. Any ideas? Thanks to all. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ning Lutegroup
I don't think it is too new (and I'm a member of course) I was just joking !!! ;-))) Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de ceth...@gmail.com Envoyé : lundi 25 octobre 2010 09:13 À : Sauvage Valéry Cc : 'lute' Objet : [LUTE] Re: Ning Lutegroup Val, If you think the Lute group is too "new", you should check out the Cittern Group, where we happily mix early citterns and their music with waldzithers, Corsican ceteras, modern "celtic" instruments and other citterns from all over the place. There are builders, players, plus videos, tabs. I love it. http://cittern.ning.com/ Doc On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: > May I dare... > Lutenist prefer their "good ole gut" Darthmouth mailing list than all this > new synthetic Ning groups ??? > Just joking !!! > Valéry > > > -Message d'origine- > De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part > de Daniel Shoskes > Envoyé : lundi 25 octobre 2010 01:24 > À : lute > Objet : [LUTE] Ning Lutegroup > > > Dear Lutelisters: The ning lutegroup at [1]http://lutegroup.ning.com > now has over 900 members. There is a MODERATED discussion group that > can accept uploaded files, a photo section with over 1,500 uploaded > photos, a video section with over 625 lute videos and an events > section. Registration is required for access but is free (just answer > the sign up questions in a way that I know you are a real person and > interested in the lute and not a bot or spammer). Contributions are > welcome to help offset the $500 per year it now costs to have a ning > group with all the fixins' but not required. What are you waiting for?! > > Danny > > -- > > References > > 1. http://lutegroup.ning.com/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Ning Lutegroup
May I dare... Lutenist prefer their "good ole gut" Darthmouth mailing list than all this new synthetic Ning groups ??? Just joking !!! Valéry -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Daniel Shoskes Envoyé : lundi 25 octobre 2010 01:24 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Ning Lutegroup Dear Lutelisters: The ning lutegroup at [1]http://lutegroup.ning.com now has over 900 members. There is a MODERATED discussion group that can accept uploaded files, a photo section with over 1,500 uploaded photos, a video section with over 625 lute videos and an events section. Registration is required for access but is free (just answer the sign up questions in a way that I know you are a real person and interested in the lute and not a bot or spammer). Contributions are welcome to help offset the $500 per year it now costs to have a ning group with all the fixins' but not required. What are you waiting for?! Danny -- References 1. http://lutegroup.ning.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute volume
Is it an HIP position to play with amplification ? Not sure it is coherent with what was said about gut strings... If you want to search for the lost sound... gut strings, no amps. Same conditions as yesteryears... No ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Peter Martin Envoyé : mardi 19 octobre 2010 11:11 À : Lute list Objet : [LUTE] Re: Lute volume Ah, amplification... I remember that David T and others made some recommendations a couple of years ago about contact mikes suitable for lutes. Any fresh updates? I fear my lute and saxophone combo won't ever get started without a little electronic help. Peter On 19 October 2010 09:44, Stewart McCoy <[1]lu...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Dear Howard, I think you are right to say that it is the overall sound which counts with an ensemble. When choosing voices for a choir, a conductor may choose not to invite a soloist with a strong, distinct voice, because it will stick out like a sore thumb. So it is with instruments. There has to be a balance, and it is up to the conductor (if there is one) to get it right. One of the strengths of the theorbo is that it enhances the other instruments of the group, as a catalyst may do in a mixing of chemicals. For example, it covers up mechanical clatter from a harpsichord, reinforcing the bass, and letting the audience hear the sweet, silvery tones of the harpsichord's treble notes. It is often the case that people in the audience do not recognise the sound of the theorbo in a group, because they are unfamiliar with it, but they would notice the difference if it wasn't there. There are times when a conductor may want the audience to hear the theorbo clearly, in which case he asks players of other continuo instruments to sit out. I sympathise with Chris's frustration at playing an instrument which cannot be heard, or at least cannot easily be distinguished. That is one reason why I gave up playing the double bass in orchestras years ago - why bother turning up, if there are five other bass players playing the same notes? The trouble is, if everyone thought that, there would be no orchestra. However, there are circumstances (playing background music while people talk, playing outside in the open air or in too big a room, playing alongside six trombones in a large, modern orchestra) when plucked instruments, particularly lutes, simply cannot be heard at all, and it is futile trying to thrash the instrument into audibility. If that is the case, there is little point playing without amplification. It is sad if one is reduced to contributing only to the visual aspect of a performance, merely for the sake of the cheque afterwards. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of howard posner Sent: 19 October 2010 05:15 To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute volume On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: > Howard, Huh? Wait, that's me! > Alright, so next time I'll should ask people if they did not hear me as a discrete component, but rather as a subconsciously perceivable part of the composite tonal aggregate? Subconscious, no; part of the tonal aggregate, yes. There's no reason to think the concept was any stranger in 1700 than it was in 1850 or is now. Lots of instruments have the job of combining with other instruments to form a homogenized sound. Listen to a Schumann symphony for an extreme example in its time. BTW, if the violinist sharing the stand with the concertmaster at your concert had asked someone in the audience "Could you hear me?" the answer would have been, "Never. I couldn't distinguish your sound from the other first violinists'". The same is true of the organist in most ensembles, including rock bands, or the rhythm guitarist in a jazz big band (or lots of rock bands, for that matter). The issue in these cases is not whether you can hear the instrument, but how much better the group sounds with it than without it. 35 years ago Rick Kemp, then the Steeleye Span bass player, told me how fascinated he was watching Neil Young's bass player staring at the drummer's foot so he'd play together with the bass drum, making one percussive bass instrument. "I don't know whether it's good or bad," Kemp said. > Frankly, I'm not a believer in this way of thinking for baroque music. There's no evidence that baroque composers thought of blending t
[LUTE] Re: Lute volume
The thing is that with a large orchestra you don't need only one theorbo but 5 or more... But today no orchestra try this solution... (or a very few...) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Christopher Wilke Envoyé : lundi 18 octobre 2010 14:53 À : wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; Anthony Hind Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Lute volume Anthony, --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Anthony Hind wrote: > I was told > by a lutenist and theorbist that in a > recent rehearsal with a rather > large Baroque group accompanied by a > relatively large number of > singers, the director told my friend to > hold back a little as he was > projecting too well. The theorbo was gut > strung. I've been told this by several different directors, too. (Theorbo: toy class. Stringing: synthetic and gut). Never believe them! After every concert where I've been asked to hold back, I've asked people from the audience whether they could hear me. Comments ranged from "in a few spots" to "not at all." Really, have you ever been to an ensemble concert where you've thought "that lute is too loud"? The problem rises from the fact that, despite my early comment about the lute's sound traveling better than the classical guitar's, it still doesn't compare with strings, voices or even harpsichord. While the ensemble may have a dynamic range from 1-10, a plucker is going to have maybe 1-4 - with "4" being your most aggressive, string-ripping . In reality, it means that you've got to play fff (3.5 or so) in normal passages, and ff in pianos. To the director and fellow musicians it can sound like you're massively overplaying. For the person in row two or 32, it will sound just right. I've never wanted to argue with a director. I've also been tempted to lay back in rehearsals, then simply disregard orders and amp it up in performance, but I've never had the guts to do it. Unprofessional behavior and all that jazz. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com > Anthony > > Message d'origine > >De : wi...@cs.helsinki.fi > >A : "Thomas Schall" > >Objet : [LUTE] Re: Lute volume > >Date : 18/10/2010 11:29:38 CEST > >Copie `a : "Gary Digman" ; > > lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > > >I second Thomas' comment: I've seen > and heard Bream play lute, I've > seen > > and with some trouble heard > something of Hoppy's playing, and I have > > only _seen_ Rooley accompanying his > song ensemble, not heard the lute > > (it was in 70's...) > > > > Arto > > > > > > On 18/10/10 11:26, Thomas Schall > wrote: > > > I can follow your comment about > Hoppy because he is playing at a > > > *very* low volume. I have heard > him both in a large church playing > as > > > well as in a small salon. The > first has been disappointing - the > > > second has been a nice > experience. > > > I've heard Julian Bream in a > larger room - volume has not been a > > > problem at all . > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > Am 18.10.2010 10:06, schrieb > Gary Digman: > > >> Two of the lute players I > was referring to were Julian Bream and > > >> Hopkinson Smith. Both > playing to audiences of over 250 people and > > >> neither could be heard past > the seventh row no matter how much > focus > > >> one brought to the event. > Fortunately in the Julian Bream concert > I > > >> was able to sneak down to > an empty seat in the first row. Not so > in > > >> the Hoppy concert, the > first eight rows were reserved for season > > >> ticket holders. However, I > was able to hear Hoppy play in a > library > > >> concert later where the > conditions were ideal for the lute. The > > >> audience was limited to > eighty people and the stage was an > elevated > > >> platform affording everyone > in the room the opportunity to both > hear > > >> and see Hoppy play. > > >> > > >> Gary > > >> > > >> - Original Message > - From: "Christopher Wilke" > > >> > > >> To: ; > "Gary Digman" > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, > 2010 7:51 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: > Lute volume > > >> > > >> > > >>> Gary, > > >>> > > >>> --- On Sun, 10/17/10, > Gary Digman > wrote: > > > > That being said, I > have to admit that I have attended lute > > concerts given by > some of the leading lights of the lute > > world for audiences > numbering in the hundreds where the lute > > literally could not > be heard at all past the seventh or > > eighth row. Very > frustating to pay $35-$80 for a ticket only > > to find out you > will not be able to hear the lute no matter > > how focused you > are. I think if we're going to play for > > audiences this > large, some sound reinforcement may become > > necessary even > th
[LUTE] Re: modern lute (Gift To The Fall)
Most of the music for G lute by Roman TV.. is playable at an amateur level, and nice music too ! V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Stuart Walsh Envoyé : samedi 9 octobre 2010 17:52 À : Lute Net Objet : [LUTE] modern lute (Gift To The Fall) There is an interesting discussion on the Baroque lutelist about modern compositions for D-minor lute. Gilbert Isbin has written some pieces for lute in G tuning. Jerzy Zak writes: "Unfortunately, modern music needs playing on the highest level, including a well tuned instrument." So that counts almost all, if not all, amateurs out. I think that is bit sad! Here's a (flawed) amateur stab at a modern (or contemporary, not sure of the difference) piece by Gilbert Isbin. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhDq0q8yGzc Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?
Seeking the sound of "old ones" is a lost battle in my opinion... Even with "modern" gut strings... For my sake I'm just trying to play some music. Not making musical archeology. And many "amateurs" I think don't need to waste time and money playing gut strings, they should just try to play and have a good sound on their lutes as much as they are able to. I would only play with gut strings (perhaps) If I have to record in a studio with good hygrometric conditions. But for a daily work... Gut is too fragile. The best recital I ever heard was Paul O'Dette in Gijon (Spain) playing on his two Thomson's lutes, 6 and 8 courses, with Nylgut strings... What I would like to say is that if some people want to spend their money and time playing gut, it's fine for me. What makes my reaction is that I often heard: "whithout Gut, no salvation" and that is intolerance. In Gut I don't believe, let me be a gut atheist... And don't be too sectarist. V. Did someone try the new Nylgut ? -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Martyn Hodgson Envoyé : mercredi 6 octobre 2010 17:38 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry Objet : [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? But they didn't have such strings. If we are trying to seek the sounds heard by the Old Ones it's necessary to start from what we do know ie they generally used gut trebles. MH --- On Wed, 6/10/10, Sauvage Valery wrote: From: Sauvage Valery Subject: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 14:47 Can we imagine at the renaissance-baroque time if they had choice to play with nice sounding strings, but so expensive, fragile and difficult to stay in tune, or less expensive strings, staying in tune and lasting longer, (and even sounding louder and not so bad) what would have been their choice ? I don't know for them, I know for me (and I know some have different opinion...) Don't forget the quality of sound is also very much the way we pluck the strings (perhaps more than the material and quality of strings...) So much talk about this subject. Lets just spend this time playing, than cutting hairs (or strings) in four (in the longer side) ;-) Valery -Message d'origine- De : [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Martyn Hodgson Envoye : mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:06 A : Edward Martin; Anthony Hind; JosephMayes Cc : [3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? Well, we don't know absolutely - but it would surely be incorrect to say we don't have any idea whatsover. Certainly we know gut trebles were used and 'titanium nylon' were not, which is the point at issue. MH From: Mayes, Joseph <[4]ma...@rowan.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? To: "Edward Martin" <[5...@gamutstrings.com>, "Martyn Hodgson" <[6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "Anthony Hind" <[7]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> Cc: "[8]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[9]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 13:04 Just to be contrary, I should point out that we have no idea how lutes sounded. Admittedly, carbon fiber was not all that prevalent in the renaissance. Joseph Mayes On 10/6/10 7:37 AM, "Edward Martin" <[1][10...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: > Thanks for the note, Marytn. I agree with you, totally. For the > most part, I have played gut exclusively for the past 18 years or so, > as the sound is so beautiful, not to mention that it _is_ the way > lutes sounded. > > > ed > > > > > At 02:01 AM 10/6/2010, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > > >>Dear Anthony, >> >>This seems a very retrograde step. Surely if we are wishing to hear >>something even approaching how the Old Ones sounded we ought to >>eschew treble strings which are so very different from what they had. >>Clearly gut was generally used for trebles and there's no reason to >>suppose their density has changed significantly since then - in short a >>material close to gut, if not gut, ought to be our goal for these >>strings rather than significantly lower density, and hence thicker (and >>plummier sounding), strings. >> >>O
[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?
Can we imagine at the renaissance-baroque time if they had choice to play with nice sounding strings, but so expensive, fragile and difficult to stay in tune, or less expensive strings, staying in tune and lasting longer, (and even sounding louder and not so bad) what would have been their choice ? I don't know for them, I know for me (and I know some have different opinion...) Don't forget the quality of sound is also very much the way we pluck the strings (perhaps more than the material and quality of strings...) So much talk about this subject. Lets just spend this time playing, than cutting hairs (or strings) in four (in the longer side) ;-) Valéry -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Martyn Hodgson Envoyé : mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:06 À : Edward Martin; Anthony Hind; JosephMayes Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? Well, we don't know absolutely - but it would surely be incorrect to say we don't have any idea whatsover. Certainly we know gut trebles were used and 'titanium nylon' were not, which is the point at issue. MH From: Mayes, Joseph Subject: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? To: "Edward Martin" , "Martyn Hodgson" , "Anthony Hind" Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 13:04 Just to be contrary, I should point out that we have no idea how lutes sounded. Admittedly, carbon fiber was not all that prevalent in the renaissance. Joseph Mayes On 10/6/10 7:37 AM, "Edward Martin" <[1...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: > Thanks for the note, Marytn. I agree with you, totally. For the > most part, I have played gut exclusively for the past 18 years or so, > as the sound is so beautiful, not to mention that it _is_ the way > lutes sounded. > > > ed > > > > > At 02:01 AM 10/6/2010, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > > >>Dear Anthony, >> >>This seems a very retrograde step. Surely if we are wishing to hear >>something even approaching how the Old Ones sounded we ought to >>eschew treble strings which are so very different from what they had. >>Clearly gut was generally used for trebles and there's no reason to >>suppose their density has changed significantly since then - in short a >>material close to gut, if not gut, ought to be our goal for these >>strings rather than significantly lower density, and hence thicker (and >>plummier sounding), strings. >> >>Of course it's quite possible these particular players to which you >>refer don't wish to try and achieve this sort of sound and quite like >>the modern guitar type tone.. >> >>regards >> >>M. >>--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Anthony Hind <[2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> From: Anthony Hind <[3]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? >> To: "Edward Martin" <[4...@gamutstrings.com> >> Cc: [5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 14:24 >> >> Dear Ed and All >> For the reason you state below : >> % >>> The density of carbon is so much >>> more than gut, therefore a smaller size is appropriate, around a >>0.38 >>> or so. Because of the need for a smaller diameter, the sound is >>> certainly more sharp sounding. >>> >>> ed >> % >> two lutenists on the French list, who have adopted synthetic strings >> for their stability, (rather than just for their low cost), and who >>are >> ready to experiment to achieve the sound they are looking for, have >> adopted very low density Titanium Nylon fishing lines for their top >> strings, which they claim give a thicker, and therefore, sweeter >>warmer >> sounding top string for the same tension, compared to high density >>KF >> carbon (which they use for their Meanes) or even compared to >>slightly >> higher density nylon. >> % >> They liked the sound of the old nylgut (with its density close to >>gut), >> but claimed that it tended to break too easilly (which presumably >>has >> been resolved with the latest version).. >> % >> In fact, they were looking for a sound similar to that which is >> achieved with titanium nylon guitar strings, but these do not exist >>in >> diameters suitable for the lute. >> It would seem that such a string can be found in a suitable diameter >> (0,35 to 0,50) in fishing line, under the name, Nylon Powerline >> Titanium; but there is also Asari Falcon titanium G2, which might be >> su
[LUTE] Re: mac
Just sells the mac and buy a PC... (just joking) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Ed Durbrow Envoyé : dimanche 19 septembre 2010 02:40 À : Sal Salvaggio; LuteNet list Objet : [LUTE] Re: mac Not that reads them, but you could run the PC program on a Mac. Boot Camp? Parallels? Virtual PC? On Sep 19, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Sal Salvaggio wrote: Anyone out there who might be a fronimo user know of a mac program that reads fronimo files - just got a mac = any suggestions -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ [3]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 3. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/
[LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila / O'Dette
-Message d'origine- À : LuteNet list Objet : [LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila / O'Dette > and the sound is very likely what you would have heard 15 feet from the lute (or what one of Marco's contemporaries would have heard him playing > from down the banquet table). I'm not sure about what you said above, because halls at that time had tapestry (and most are not here today) and people during banquet were making much noise... so I believe the result of reverb would have been very different... ;-))) It is the same with churches recording... Was lute played in churches ? (perhaps in temple for psalms sometimes...) What we hear today is the dream we have of period music... what a disappointment for many of us if the time machine of Wells was available. Valéry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [english 91%] Re: Online facsimiles - Paladin, Rippe, Waissel
Troisième and tiers are the same in french, it means third... V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Karl L. Eggert Envoyé : vendredi 27 août 2010 21:49 À : Lute List Objet : [LUTE] Re: [english 91%] Re: Online facsimiles - Paladin, Rippe, Waissel Hi Reinier and Luca, De Rippe´s Tiers livre is not online, but the Troisième Livre 1554/7 : http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/sources/rippe/book_3_1554/ 1573/3 Waissel, Tabulatura (http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/sources/waissel/) plus: München BSB 2 Mus.pr. 106#Beibd.2 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00033916/images/ Complete-download of pdf possible Best wishes Karl -- From: "Luca Manassero" Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:27 PM To: Subject: [english 91%] [LUTE] Re: Online facsimiles - Paladin, Rippe, Waissel > Apparently I made a few mistakes. This is an updated version of what I > could find: > > >Reinier de Valk on 26/08/10 16.07 wrote: > >Dear all, > > > >Does anybody know which of the following prints can be found in >facsimile online?I need one or two pieces from each of them, and >finding them online would save me a lot of traveling. I've already >checked my regular library, but none of them are there. > > > >1529/3 Attaingnant, Tres breve introduction > >1530/3 Attaingnant, Dixhuit basses dances > >1536/3 Francesco, Intabolatura di liuto de diversi > >1544/2 Newsidler, Das ander Buch. Ein new kuenstlich Lautten Buch > >1545/3 Phalese, Des chansons reduictz en tabulature de lut . . . > livre premier > >1546/6 Francesco, Intabolatura de lauto . . . libro primo > >1546/7 Francesco, Intabolatura de lauto . . . libro segondo > >1546/8 Francesco & Borrono, Intabulatura di lauto . . . libro > secondo > >1546/13 Del Pifaro, Intablolatura de lauto . . . libro primo > >1547/11 Phalese, Des Chansons Gaillardes, Paduanes & Motetz, > reduitz en tabulature de luc . . . Livre Cinquiesme > >154?/5 Paladino, Tabulature de lutz > (http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00045521/images/) > >1550/4 Wyssenbach, Tabulaturbuech uff die Lutten > >1552/4 Morlaye, Premier livre de tabulature de leut > >1552/8 De Rippe, Premier livre de tabulature de leut > (http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/sources/rippe/) > >1553/1 Bakfark, Intabulatura Valentini Bacfarc . . . Liber primus > >1554/6 De Rippe, Second livre de tabulature de leut > >1560/3 Paladino, Premier livre de tablature de luth > >1562/3 Heckel, Discant. Lautten Buch > >1562/4 Heckel, Tenor. Lautten Buch > >1562/10 De Rippe, Tiers livre de tabelature de luth > (http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/sources/rippe/book_3_1554/) > >1563/12 Phalese. Theatrum musicum > >1564/1 Bakfark, Premier livre de tabelature de luth > >1568/1 Becchi, libro primo dintabulatura da leuto > >1568/7 Phalese, Luculentum theatrum musicum > >1571/6 Phalese, Theatrum musicum longe amplissimum > >1573/3 Waissel, Tabulatura > (http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/sources/waissel/) > >1574/7 Phalese and Bellere, Thesaurus musicus > >1582/1 Barbetta, Nova tabulae musicae > > > >Any help or pointers will be greatly appreciated! > > > >Thanks, > >Reinier > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
"From the point of view of a renaissance lutenist"... The must have number one is the "Folger", the first lute "Best of" of English music (from Mrs Winter's jump to Lachrimae, with some Johnson, and many nice accessible anonymous pieces) Casteliono for Italian music (and tab... A student should learn italian tab as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...) Attaingnant fo nice easy early french music and Francisque for nice and easy late french music... (It is very important for students to have easy music to learn, not to be discouraged by heavy stuff you "should" play...) Narvaez for fine and beautiful Spanish works. (Or Milan in case you prefer, but my personnal choice is Narvaez...) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Sean Smith Envoyé : mardi 10 août 2010 03:19 À : lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Facsimiles Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say "have access to" but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Vice Nisee
"Recipe for a great solo lute sound: one good mic, a pair of good ears, a brain in your head and just a touch of reverb for seasoning. Chris Christopher Wilke" Why the touch of reverb ? A tribute to the old recordings your speaking of ? ;-))) About Youtube, I don't think it is a media for quality (even not Vimeo or other) but a media for promotion of the instrument, then people can know it exists (many don't, except in video games of fantasy or Tudor's series...), then they can look for recordings (and about recording CD, I agree with the discussion, a lot can be done...) and then they look for an instrument, and the EMS lutes, even their poor quality, is the gate for many to start playing. (many whitnesses on the comments and private messages I receive) Val ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute sighting
Very funny Howard! I'm sure Jean-Marie Poirier will laugh a lot when reading this message. (he is of course on this list) He is now in Shanghaï, playing theorbo at the French pavillion for the Universal exposition... Val -Message d'origine- De la part de howard posner Envoyé : samedi 12 juin 2010 19:44 À : lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: lute sighting And onscreen, some guy with the ridiculous name of Jean-Marie Poirier (must be one of those French types) played Monsieur de Bures. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String tension - HIP
Dear Monica, I think you have the very right definition of HIP ! ;-))) Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Monica Hall Objet : [LUTE] Re: String tension - HIP I say hear! hear! to this. Or Here! here!. As Richard Taruskin has said "The problem with the idea of an authentic performance is that we will never know whether we have got it right." I am afraid "HIP" often means "The way I want to do it myself - and everyone who disagrees is wrong". Cynically yours Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach on Theorbo
There is the edition by Stefan Lundgren (you can order on his website) http://www.luteonline.se/lundgren-edition/bach_cello.htm Val. - Original Message - From: "Graham Freeman" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: [LUTE] Bach on Theorbo Wise Luters, Does anyone know of a good edition of the Bach Cello Suites for theorbo? They've been recorded a number of times. Ideally, I'd make my own, but I'd like to see a good transcription of them first. With thanks, Graham Freeman -- Dr. Graham Freeman Ph. D Musicology University of Toronto [1]freeman.gra...@gmail.com -- References 1. mailto:freeman.gra...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings
About pro recording what I would like to hear is the same as in a concert
when I'm at the first row (what I try to do when I go listen to lute
music...)
I don't want to have my ears too close to the lute (as if I was myself
playing because in this case I'm not...) Too often we hear lute as if we are
10 cm close to the rose, then with much reverb... cathedral effect, not lute
sound.
Last CD of lute duets by Jean-Marie Poirier (LeftyJM) and Thierry Meunier is
really nice because it is a very natural sound, with just the room reverb.
V.
- Original Message -
From:
To: "Daniel Shoskes" ; "Arto Wikla"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings
(Back to commercial recordings, not folks' 'tube submissions)
In my view, if you notice the reverb, its too much.
I'm also a big advocate of close miking. This is another thing that is
especially appropriate for a soft instrument like the lute, but is rarely
done. Its funny, I've done a fair amount of recording with LOUD rock
bands where the philosophy is to get the cleanest example from each
instrument by putting the mics right on the amps or drums.
Name the last movie you've seen that featured a scene with characters
whispering in which the sound engineer decided it would be a good idea to
record in a warehouse with mics on the other side of the room.
("Hhhhere's thh seecccret-t-t-t
iiiorrrmatio yyyoouuu annnt-t-t-ed-ed-ed."
"Wwwwat-t-t-t?") How ridiculous would that sound?
--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Arto Wikla wrote:
From: Arto Wikla
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings
To: "Daniel Shoskes"
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:23 AM
Hi Danny and the List,
The sound of that "tubing is really very natural, and I
cannot hear any extra reverb, either. And very nice and
relaxed playing, too!
All the best,
Arto
Daniel Shoskes wrote:
> I've posted several times the processing
I use, based on the
> recommendation of my sound engineer
uncle. I apply an "inverted smile"
> EQ and if I am recording in my small
office, I add a small amount of
> reverb (if I am alone in the house and
can record in the big living
> room the reverb is not necessary). The
"inverted smile" corrects for
> inadequacies in the response of the mic.
I was once recorded with a
> $15,000 mic and that led me to believe
that cheaper mic+EQ is very
> close to the reality captured by the
expensive mic and therefore that
> the EQ isn't "cheating". In my most
recent recording, using a superior
> mic (but not in the thousands of dollars)
I thought the sound was much
> better and only the tiniest adjustment
(taking down the highest and
> lowest bands in the EQ) was needed:
>
> [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2w15WCzoWY
> Danny
> (not a "lute hero" but a regular
"y-tuber")
>
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[LUTE] Re: Modern lute recordings
I'm using the zoom H2, and add no reverb or anything, just the sound as it came out the box (but sometimes I think I should try a little bit of reverb... Or record in a church, even not HIP, but I'm not really HIP myself ;-)) Roman, one day you send me a file were you add reverb (3 different halls), what is the software you use for it, it was a great result ;-) Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tempos in Francesco Fantasias
The only thing I have in mind when I play a fantasia is my own fantasy... No rules for tempo for such pieces (apart a few based on vocal models, where you can follow the original song tempo) My 2 cts... Val - Original Message - From: "Suzanne Angevine" To: "Lute List" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] tempos in Francesco Fantasias Yesterday I got out a Francesco Fantasia I hadn't played in awhile. Its one of the easier ones, since I'm not that advanced a player. But I thoroughly enjoyed playing it - the counterpoint, the expressiveness of it. Later in the day I listened to a CD of a big name player doing Francesco pieces. What struck me most was the utter contrast between what I had enjoyed about playing the music, and what I heard. Not just on the same Fantasia, but almost the entire CD was BRIGHT, and very PERKY sounding. In thinking about it, I felt that this effect was due almost entirely to the fast tempos chosen. Now this player has exceptional technique, and can play fast and cleanly. And it is to be admitted that the CD is rather old, and may no longer represent the player's point of view on Francesco exactly. But it got me thinking about tempos. Someone on this list recently commented that folks generally try to play too fast. Is there some actual musicological evidence somewhere that says what tempos should be used? Or do moderns just play fast because we live in a fast paced world, and playing well fast shows off our skill? A moderate tempo on the Fantasia in question allows some time and space for expression of the music to bloom, but a fast, perky tempo just makes it sound like pyrotechnic display, not what would earn a player the name of "il divino". So, any musicological evidence for proper tempos in Francesco's music? Suzanne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Weiss by Mauricio Buraglia
New CD presented by the French Lute Society, Weiss played by Mauricio Buraglia, is now available, on the web site of the SFL : http://www.sf-luth.org/ A video of Mauricio Live : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpYLdb0hiaA Val. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lachrimae pavan
You're right ! don't ! ;-) V. - Original Message - From: "Antonio Corona" To: "Sauvage Valéry" Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lachrimae pavan All right, I will not ... ----- Original Message From: Sauvage Valéry To: Lute List Sent: Sat, 6 March, 2010 4:13:40 Subject: [LUTE] Lachrimae pavan I commit a non-orthodox and non-hip version of Lachrimae Pavan, using the arrangement by Jamie Holding. Purists, please, don't watch... [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scbY0toLxy0 Val ;-) -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scbY0toLxy0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lachrimae pavan
I commit a non-orthodox and non-hip version of Lachrimae Pavan, using the arrangement by Jamie Holding. Purists, please, don't watch... [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scbY0toLxy0 Val ;-) -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scbY0toLxy0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
Of course you can say for sure Francesco, Dowland and Weiss would have used gut living today ??? They would have jump on synth string saying I dreamed my all life about this LOL Val (follows himself too ;-) -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de David van Ooijen Envoyé : jeudi 28 janvier 2010 23:29 À : lutelist Net Objet : [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics? > There's no reason to use the synthetics just because Ronn > McFarlane, Paul O'Dette, and Nigel North use them Indeed, and Francesco, Dowland and Weiss used gut. Who would you like to follow? David - follows himself -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thumb rest stroke
Why don't baroque lutenists today use what is an unquestionably obvious historical technique? My idea about this is : they study how it should be done, then they do how it is easyer for them... (I'm speaking about pros...) For me, I'm not sure how it should be done, and I'm doing how I'm able to do... ;-))) I still have many question about what is an "unquestionably obvious historical technique" (certainties are often changing...) V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Where Arthur Ness?
He had problems with a : "computer crashed, and so I have been off-line for quite a while. I need to re-subscribe to Wayne's list. " As he said on the Ning group... Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Rainer Envoyé : mardi 19 janvier 2010 00:26 À : Lute net Objet : [LUTE] Where Arthur Ness? Dear lute netters, has anybody heard from Arthur recently? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] My new theorbo
Let me introduce my new theorbo made by Didier Jarny. I got it on last sunday, and I'm really happy with it ;-) Here it is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-X_chDkDos Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Reasons to "tube" videos
Haïku for Arto ;-) Narcissus, What a lovely flower, Waiting for it to retrun when the snow will be gone ! Valéry - Original Message - From: "wikla" And a certain "Narcissos" factor cannot be denied... ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] constructive critical commentary
About constructive critical commentary, as a "multi" Youtube recording luteninst, I know very well what's wrong in my videos, I'm working very hard to try do do better, and of course I accept criticism but very often I know the "could be better" points before being told by someone, and what I would need in fact is a (or many...) good master class(es) with some of the lute gods as Paul, Bob, Ron or Nigel (sorry I miss some other names but... List is long) So I don't wait any technical comment, but I'm always glad to answer to kind words people would spend time to write, even if it is not "useful" for my lute technic... And I'm afraid critical commentary sometimes posted are often not constructive, but acerb (then I'm sorry but I remove them at once ! Lol) So I'm not sure Youtube is the place for constructive commentary, but more for sharing music we love without pretention (I hope for my sake) I just got today a beautiful theorbo made by Didier Jarny, a small instrument for solo music (70cm/120cm) so now working on some Kapsberger's Canarios, and it is great fun ! V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de nedma...@aol.com Envoyé : dimanche 10 janvier 2010 22:55 À : franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk; edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp; kidneykut...@gmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Conradi Sonata To repeat my comments to the group (since I replied privately inadvertently), I thought the music quite lovely, and very nicely played. Franz's point concerning the absence of constructive critical commentary may be pertinent. Since I'm working on Renaissance lute only, and am not familiar with Baroque lute literature or technique, I'll leave it to other Baroque players to consider Franz's point. Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
Seems attachment aren't allowed, so here is a link to the file : http://www.mediafire.com/i/?thmzukyyjjz Val - Original Message - From: "Sauvage Valéry" To: "'Stephen Fryer'" ; "'Lute Net'" ; "Eugene C. Braig IV" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ... Here is a copy of the original piece... (hope you can open attachments) Val. - Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" To: "'Stephen Fryer'" ; "'Lute Net'" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ... I'm not certain, but I believe it is contained in this publication: http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute I can check my own copy when home. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Fryer Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:26 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Looking for ... Tablature to "I Kissed Her While She Blushed" (Straloch). I haven't been able to find it anywhere. And a Happy New Year to everyone! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
Here is a copy of the original piece... (hope you can open attachments) Val. - Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" To: "'Stephen Fryer'" ; "'Lute Net'" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ... > > I'm not certain, but I believe it is contained in this publication: > http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute > > I can check my own copy when home. > > Eugene > > >> -Original Message- >> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On >> Behalf Of Stephen Fryer >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:26 PM >> To: Lute Net >> Subject: [LUTE] Looking for ... >> >> Tablature to "I Kissed Her While She Blushed" (Straloch). I haven't >> been able to find it anywhere. >> >> And a Happy New Year to everyone! >> >> Stephen Fryer >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > --
[LUTE] Bach
There is a paper in the "Joueur de Luth" (French Lute Society, décember 2008) were Eric Bellocq advocate his theories about Bach, the Angelique and the new tuning of single strungs lutes. It is in french and I can't translate the all thing, but to give an idea of the tuning : he is using third tuning as : 3m - 3M - 3m - 3M- 3m And on a 15th strings lute fro treble to bass : D B G E C A / G F E D C B A G F V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I'm not against guitar and guitar players (as a guitar player myself, on romantic intrument ;-) but I don't understand why play a guitar in form of a lute saying it is a lute, as I find my normal lute "forte" enough in itself, that's all. And after, eveyone makes whatever he wants... V. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte -Original Message- From: terli...@aol.com To: chriswi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22 am Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate lutenists: I don't know what kind of guitars and guitar playing lutenists here have been exposed to here but there is a wide variety of types of guitars and playing styles. Hauser style guitar guitars are very good for playing some lute music. Smallman type guitars are less good for playing most lute music. To play lute music decently on guitar takes a certain touch...there are players that can do it. The guitar (unamplified) works great great in ensemble playing e.g Boulez: Le marteau sans maître: Webern op.18, Takemitsu: Ring for Lute,flute and guitar... Best, Mark Delpriora -Original Message- From: chriswi...@yahoo.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte Valery, --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry wrote: Ok forte, we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for the one he used). So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you can play with nails... Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really awful ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other classical guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming from it may be technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize the lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its charm in other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even then it doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument amplified in even small ensembles. If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of guitar (unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre itself, a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any of my ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very well unamplified in a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all. Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments and modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as alternate versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often perceive them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world. I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well. Play close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been thinking of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time to investigate the project. Chris - Original Message - From: "wolfgang wiehe" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on "Burg Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-) Greetings W. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von terli...@aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41 An: r.turov...@verizon.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar repertoire! . and is happy with finger nails. Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto forte hat occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago? I missed it. Mark Delpriora -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky To: Lutelist Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by Andre Burguete, that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the volume of the guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and has some interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and soundboard construction. Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the sound (negligibly). This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. But one really misses the overtone palette of double strings. It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is sick of the guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his nails. http://www.liuto-forte.com/ There are a number of notable converts t
[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
Hello Chris, my message was a little bit of humour... Here the ensemble iwas vocal (5 men voices) and one lute (or so called), so you can hear it even a "normal" lute ( I mean, non "forte"...) if well played. When I said play guitar is because during the concert, liuto forte sounds really like a guitar... Of course the image for the public was better with the form of a lute. But the two lutenists in the public, M. Forget (well known for his Weiss intabulations...) and myself, were really not happy with this lute, even the musician is a good one, but the sound of the instrument was really not satisfying. my opinion... V. - Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Sauvage Valéry" Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte Valery, --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry wrote: Ok forte, we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for the one he used). So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you can play with nails... Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really awful ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other classical guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming from it may be technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize the lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its charm in other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even then it doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument amplified in even small ensembles. If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of guitar (unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre itself, a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any of my ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very well unamplified in a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all. Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments and modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as alternate versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often perceive them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world. I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well. Play close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been thinking of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time to investigate the project. Chris - Original Message - From: "wolfgang wiehe" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on "Burg Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-) Greetings W. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von terli...@aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41 An: r.turov...@verizon.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar repertoire! . and is happy with finger nails. Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto forte hat occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago? I missed it. Mark Delpriora -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky To: Lutelist Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by Andre Burguete, that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the volume of the guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and has some interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and soundboard construction. Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the sound (negligibly). This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. But one really misses the overtone palette of double strings. It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is sick of the guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his nails. http://www.liuto-forte.com/ There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver Holzenburg, Luciano Contini et al. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Winheld" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte > Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto Forte? (I must have > been out of the office for this one) > thanks, Dan > -- > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I went this year to a concert with Ensemble Clément Janequin (Dominique Visse, counter tenor) and with Eric Bellocq, lute, or Liuto forte now. Ok forte, we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for the one he used). So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you can play with nails... V. - Original Message - From: "wolfgang wiehe" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on "Burg Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-) Greetings W. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von terli...@aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41 An: r.turov...@verizon.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar repertoire! . and is happy with finger nails. Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto forte hat occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago? I missed it. Mark Delpriora -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky To: Lutelist Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by Andre Burguete, that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the volume of the guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and has some interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and soundboard construction. Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the sound (negligibly). This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. But one really misses the overtone palette of double strings. It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is sick of the guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his nails. http://www.liuto-forte.com/ There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver Holzenburg, Luciano Contini et al. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Winheld" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto Forte? (I must have been out of the office for this one) thanks, Dan -- > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] another day at the office
Reading all this debate, I better understand why "God" (any kind of...) is the main reason why people are making wars... Wish you a merry end of the year, whatever religion you beleive or not ;-) V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] De Rippe
I dare post one fantaisie by De Rippe... (XVIII) [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xLwwM67okc ;-) Val -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xLwwM67okc To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: cantio ruthenica CII
My try of Roman's song : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mPvcwmnsZw Val. - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Lutelist" ; Cc: Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] cantio ruthenica CII http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/259.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/259H.mp3 Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] cantio ruthenica CII
i>>? Very nice one Roman... Thanks Val - Original Message - From: [1]Roman Turovsky To: [2]Lutelist ; [3]del...@yahoogroups.com Cc: [4]le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [Le_luth] cantio ruthenica CII [5]http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/259.pdf [6]http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/259H.mp3 Enjoy. Amities, RT __._,_.___ [7]Toute la discussion (1) [8]Repondre (en mode Web) | [9]Nouvelle discussion [10]Messages | [11]Fichiers | [12]Photos | [13]Liens | [14]Base de donnees | [15]Sondages | [16]Membres | [17]Agenda [18]Yahoo! Groupes [19]Modifier vos options par le Web ((Compte Yahoo! requis) Modifier vos options par mail : [20]Activer lenvoi groupe | [21]Activer le format Traditionnel [22]Aller sur votre groupe | [23]Conditions dutilisation de Yahoo! Groupes | [24]Desinscription Activites recentes * 2 [25]Nouveaux membres [26]Aller sur votre groupe Yahoo! 360-o [27]Partagez l'essentiel Blog et photos avec vos proches. Yahoo! Groupes [28]Creez votre groupe Partagez vos gouts avec les autres. Y! Toolbar [29]100% gratuit ! En 1 clic, accedez `a vos groupes. . [nc3=3] __,_._,___ -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:del...@yahoogroups.com 4. mailto:le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr 5. http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/259.pdf 6. http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/259H.mp3 7. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/10448;_ylc=X3oDMTM3NzQybmtnBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARtc2dJZAMxMDQ0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODYEdHBjSWQDMTA0NDg- 8. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJydm10OTBvBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARtc2dJZAMxMDQ0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODY-?act=reply&messageNum=10448 9. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbjk4azJiBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODY- 10. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJma241MjRvBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODU- 11. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNWUwOWpsBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMjU2NTczNTg1 12. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMWwxdW05BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODU- 13. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJndGhxdmViBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwRzdGltZQMxMjU2NTczNTg1 14. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY2MxbmYyBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNkYgRzdGltZQMxMjU2NTczNTg1 15. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJnYzRqcjQwBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwb2xscwRzdGltZQMxMjU2NTczNTg1 16. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbHNocXE4BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODU- 17. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZWYwamNpBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNjYWwEc3RpbWUDMTI1NjU3MzU4NQ-- 18. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNjN2bHJvBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTI1NjU3MzU4Ng-- 19. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJncmVjZzZiBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjU2NTczNTg2 20. mailto:le_luth-dig...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=envoi%20de%20mails%c2%a0:%20S%C3%A9lection 21. mailto:le_luth-traditio...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=activer%20le%20format:%20Traditionnel 22. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth;_ylc=X3oDMTJlY3YyY2hiBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTI1NjU3MzU4Ng-- 23. http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/utos.html 24. mailto:le_luth-desabonnem...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject= 25. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJndWUyajR2BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjU2NTczNTg1 26. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYmpmajRxBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNTY1NzM1ODU- 27. http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJsbHE1bW5sBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMTYxODkzMTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMyMTIz
[LUTE] 400th
Dear all, This is my video #400... [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7tCouzlj4 Hope you'll enjoy ! Val -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7tCouzlj4 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: million hits
Million is not what is important, a milestone, yes, but what is touching me is more the private messages (or comments) I have from various, and unexpected people, many teens from all around the world, coming from heavy metal or video games and having a "revelation" about lute music, most saying "were could I get one ???" and most of them not having enough money to buy a serious lute... : back to the thread about cheap lute making... so many buying Pakistan lutes... But I'm sure if I was back 35 years and have the opportunity, I would have bought one too, and start with... Yes Greensleeves is an entry (in fact when I first came to Youtube, I decide to do a video with Greensleeves, as there were no lute version at that time, but so many folk versions or "What Child" ones...) But then I saw what attract people too is Scottish lute music, then Dowland (most by guitar players, or Sting fans...) Baroque music is not so attractive for most people, but more for musicians and melomanes (again guitar players, and classical musicians, keyboards...) Val ;-) - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" To: "David van Ooijen" Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: million hits I would brag about my 350,000 hits, except that 1/3 of those are for Barto's videos on my site! Danny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: million hits
I just see on "account" option on my channel, it says videos views : 966927, not a million yet... for 393 videos. (I working to get the 400th... then to the ones who want to visit me I'll offer the Champagne ;-) Val - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: [LUTE] million hits V.-- where are you getting a million hits? Inquiring minds want to know--I'll click on all of them! d To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age
I agree with Rob's point of view, Being alone far from people and cities, videos are may way to share music with others, and an open window on the world (so many people I "virtually" met since I post) and of course not a professional promo, as I've nothing to sale... ;-) Sharing passion... (I'm near one million views now... I never believe it could be possible one day, but so little regarding some rock and roll vids...) Golden age ? over ? why... For my sake I will go one as long as I can do it. and I don't see so many "professional" edited videos of lute music. Yes a few... But I would love to have more and more of Jacob Herringman, Paul O'Dette, Robert Barto (some already, thanks Danny, and for Ronn too) but not enough... V. - Original Message - From: "Rob MacKillop" I always viewed the video phenomenon as a meeting in the park or in the bar, where a few of us share a few tunes and chat about our passion for music. I never saw it as a professional promo. Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age
I'm recording sound on separate device (zoom H2) as integrated mics on the camera aren't good enough, but I'm using wave files coming out the zoom without any treatment, no reverb or any ehancement. The only editing I'm doing is to cut edges and add titles, and have a fade out at the end on sound file (but often sound is already over) All my vids are "one shot" (not the first one, I make some takes (many...) and keep the one I think is the best (or the not worst... ) So what you hear is what you see and vice versa. Perhaps I should add some reverb to make my vids more "pro" but it is not my aim, neither my taste. The only reverb I like is when recording in a natural reverbing place (church...) Val ;-) - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The End of the Golden Age On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM, wikla wrote: I think from the start people tweaked the audio-bit. What you see is not what you hear. How can you do that? My tiny digital camera doesn't have a very good .. steep to me; I cannot imagine how to replace the sound track. Perhaps better so? In a way, yes. What I do, and others too, is record the audio track on a seperate device, and only synchronise it with the video after editing/adding reverb/whatever. Another option is to seperate the audio from the video, treat it and then reconnect it. All those bedrooms that sound like churches, never wondered about that? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type?
I can add some names to the list of makers making students lutes Didier Jarny http://www.luths-et-luthier.com/ (1400 Euros) James Marriage http://www.jminstruments.com/studentLutes.aspx (705 £) .. Val - Original Message - From: "Christian Aretz" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type? Joe, I dealt with the same problem - as many of these people here did once. The difference is: My search began just 1 year ago - and a lot of things have changed :-) First of all I began with that Pakistan lute which is about 400 EUR but not worth anything indeed. ;-) What I found in the meantime is the following: Renaissance lute (by Renatus Lechner) for 999 EUR -> www.lautenbau.de (see "Einfache Modelle") I ordered a 7c. lute last year and will recieve it on friday :-) And there are many more luthiers that build "student lutes": www.apizzico.de (1300 EUR) http://www.renzosalvador.be/en/lutetu.html (1600 EUR) http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de (1600 EUR) This is the situation in Europe... Best wishes, Christian -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gesendet: 30.09.09 00:52:14 An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Betreff: [LUTE] Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type? Hi all: First of all, thanks for all the advice on finding a lute teacher I received so many helpful replies that I can't reply individually right now...but again much thanks and I am pursuing your advice. Secondly: I don't have a lute, and am a senior living on social security, new lutes, and used lutes are expensive, thousands of dollars.. what is your advice on buying a lute for a newbie like me? My interests are renaissance and baroque music, and there are so many different types of lutes out there. thanks again for your help and advice Nebraska Joe To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Imbalance
There is probably as much women playing lute as men but they don't spend so many time on the net ? Val ;- (in France many woman players, and teachers ! perhaps more than men) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] New duet CD
I just receive the new cd of lute duets by Jean-Marie Poirier and Thierry Meunier (french lutenists) and I would like to recommand to you as it is a fresh and very nice recording, no editing or artificial reverb (just natural sound take with the reverb of the place where recorded). Classical program with Dowland Willoughby duet, Johnson Flat Pavin, Galileo Cuntrapunti, Da Milano Terza and Canone, some Robinson, but also some pieces not often listened, as Hume duets, or Morlaye guiterne pieces with a lute conterpart, fresh and lively. Well, to me, some very good job. Here is the link : [1]http://adueliuti.free.fr/cd Valery -- References 1. http://adueliuti.free.fr/cd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lion
There is a medieval song : Ja nuns hons pris , by King Richard "Lion Heart"... Could be arranged for lute... V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The Galliard
There is also the version I made. I don't know if tempo is right for dancing, but it is the way I feel it... Val http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGY0Y_i_xU -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de nedma...@aol.com Envoyé : dimanche 26 juillet 2009 00:25 À : vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: The Galliard Thank you Ron and David, Oddly, though they take a few minutes to buffer, I was able to view two other vimeos of Dowland works (but still not Can She Excuse). Lovely playing! The archlute used for these works sounds gorgeous. The larger body with so many bass strings must add resonance and richness that would be less on a smaller instrument. I'll download the file for Can She Excuse, David, and view it that way. Again, thanks for the help and for the exquisite playing! Ned __ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Io Vorrei pur Fuggir" lyrics?
I found another earlier source : 49: PRIMI TONI. «Io vorrei pur fuggir crudel amore» Io vorrei pur fuggir crudel amore dal tuo giog'aspr'e grave e sciorr'il cor da l'empie tue catene ma sì dolc'e soave inganno ordisc'a quella speme ogn'ora ch'a forza nel tuo impir legato il tiene così nel foll'errore mi vivo e parmi ch'ogni picciol bene mi paghi di mill'onte e mille pene Source : Girolamo Scotto, Il primo libro de i madrigali a doi voci (Girolamo Scotto, Venice 1541) Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Sauvage Valéry Envoyé : mercredi 22 juillet 2009 22:20 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: "Io Vorrei pur Fuggir" lyrics? I had a comment on my video about this tune giving : Vocal model : Gasparo Costa 1594 . I'll ask for more to the person who made the comment. Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Christopher Stetson Envoyé : mercredi 22 juillet 2009 21:23 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] "Io Vorrei pur Fuggir" lyrics? Hi, all, I know I'm probably just being lazy, but I'm wondering if anyone has lyrics to the song in the subject line. I've known the intabulation for so long I don't think I can even put my hand on the sheet music, and can only hope I've got the title right. It was very popular 'round about '75, and I believe it was recorded a decade earlier by either Walter Gerwig or Michael Schaffer (or both!), but even those LPs aren't accessible to me. The accepted wisdom at the time was that the original 4-part (I assume) setting was no longer extant, but there's been a lot of water over the dam since then. For my present purpose, all I need is a set of lyrics. Thanks to all, and keep playing. Chris. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Io Vorrei pur Fuggir" lyrics?
I had a comment on my video about this tune giving : Vocal model : Gasparo Costa 1594 .. I'll ask for more to the person who made the comment. Val -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Christopher Stetson Envoyé : mercredi 22 juillet 2009 21:23 À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] "Io Vorrei pur Fuggir" lyrics? Hi, all, I know I'm probably just being lazy, but I'm wondering if anyone has lyrics to the song in the subject line. I've known the intabulation for so long I don't think I can even put my hand on the sheet music, and can only hope I've got the title right. It was very popular 'round about '75, and I believe it was recorded a decade earlier by either Walter Gerwig or Michael Schaffer (or both!), but even those LPs aren't accessible to me. The accepted wisdom at the time was that the original 4-part (I assume) setting was no longer extant, but there's been a lot of water over the dam since then. For my present purpose, all I need is a set of lyrics. Thanks to all, and keep playing. Chris. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar
Hi Stuart, very nice one ! ;-) Hope you get one soon, nice to play ren. Guit ! Val -Message d'origine- De : Stuart Walsh [mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com] Envoyé : dimanche 19 juillet 2009 23:00 À : Sauvage Valéry Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Vihuelalist Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar Sauvage Valéry wrote: > Yes, nice book, I like very much the Playford pieces, and the > arrangement upon The Three Ravens (I recorded it on YT... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG5yp7jFL0c with a few others) Val > I recorded a video response to your recording of 'The Three Ravens' - just using a modern half-size classical guitar. It's an arrangement of a Gervaise Pavane by Pascale Boquet. I hope to get a four-course guitar some day... It hasn't appeared yet as a response on your page (?) so it's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOg3hl4yqZM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar
Yes, nice book, I like very much the Playford pieces, and the arrangement upon The Three Ravens (I recorded it on YT... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG5yp7jFL0c with a few others) Val - Original Message - From: "Stuart Walsh" I've just spent a few days away and wanted to take a small instrument which was not too precious. I've just got "108 pieces pour renaissance guitare" arranged by Pascale Boquet (Vol 18 of Le Secret des Muses) published by the French Lute Society. I haven't got a four-course guitar. I tried a uke (well a cavaquinho) - 33cms string length, and what feels like a very wide string spacing and a little 6-string guitar (half size?) with a string length of 47.5 cms and, even ignoring the lower two strings and widening the spaces a bit between the top four strings, still is very closely spaced. I find the little 6-string guitar, much more satisfactory than the uke/cavaquinho - which is just too small. I'd go for a baritone uke or a half-size guitar (I got mine in an auction for £5 but they are really cheap anyway). I hired the Lute Society's good-quality Renaissance guitar recently and I realise that modern ukes/guitars are very different - but still well worth a go. It was fun looking at the Boquet arrangements (including some originals from Phalese). The pieces are arranged according to country of origin, beginning with France and ending with 'Angleterre' (which includes O'Neill arrangements!). Some of the arrangements (including many familiar pieces) work better than others but it's a delightful book and must have taken a lot of work. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Daza, fac simile on line
Daza : Daza, Estebán: "Libro de musica en cifras para vihuela, intitulado el Parnasso." [Valladolid], 1576. [243] pp. Available from Nacional de Portugal. http://purl.pt/765 Subject: [LUTE] Fuellana, fac simile on line I don't know if you know this site but could interest some of you : Fuenllana, Miguel de: "Libro de Mvsica para Vihuela. Enl ql se cotienen muchas y diuersas obras ..." Sevilla, 1554. 366 pp. Available from Biblioteca de Andalucía. http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/cultura/bibliotecavirtualandalucia/aprende/obra.cmd?control=BVA20070002100 Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fuellana, fac simile on line
I don't know if you know this site but could interest some of you : Fuenllana, Miguel de: "Libro de Mvsica para Vihuela. Enl ql se cotienen muchas y diuersas obras ..." Sevilla, 1554. 366 pp. Available from Biblioteca de Andalucía. http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/cultura/bibliotecavirtualandalucia/aprende/obra.cmd?control=BVA20070002100 Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute for Sale
You mean an eight course lute (seven double and one single, so total of 15 strings) V. - Original Message - From: "Alan Barnosky" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute for Sale Hello Everyone, After much hesitation, I am finally selling my Renaissance lute. It was a custom build by a very good local luthier, there is a page up on ebay if you are interested. I believe the link below should work, if not do an ebay search for "15-course Renaissance Lute." You can also do a search for the bid number, 360159985195. If you know somebody who is interested, please pass this along. It is a very nice instrument that needs to be in hands of someone that want to use it. The link: [1]http://cgi.ebay.com/15-course-Renaissance-Lute-with-case_W0QQcmdZVie wItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a570Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c30 1Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem53db353e 2bQQitemZ360159985195QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported Thanks, please let me know if you have any questions. ARB -- References 1. http://cgi.ebay.com/15-course-Renaissance-Lute-with-case_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a570Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem53db353e2bQQitemZ360159985195QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Old recording
On french on-line library, old recording from 1936 voice and lute http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1274228 Airs de cours, chansons au Luth, musique pour luth au 16e s. - Disque 1 : Airs de cours, chansons au Luth, musique pour luth au 16e s. - Face A : Airs de cours, chansons au Luth, musique pour luth au 16e s / Nicolas de La Grotte, Clémens non Papa., comp. ; H. Vhita, contralto ; H. Leeb, luth - Plage 1 : duree= 00:04:06 p. 1 - Face B : Vilanelle / A. Dlugoraj, comp. ; Branlay Gay ; Les Cloches de Paris / Anonyme ; Danses anglaises : Anthologie du luth publié en 1603 / Dowland ; Jean-Baptiste Besard, comp. ; H. Leeb, luth Val ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dowland
Another "strange" version of flow my tears... [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm_uXJjuarw v. ;-) -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm_uXJjuarw To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Elias Mertel
The shop is already closed now. Val. Subject: [LUTE] Re: Elias Mertel As you perphaps read on the website they are closing - with a sale at the end (july). Perhaps they already didn't pay the ISP ;-)) Try to phone, perhaps. B. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Arndt" To: ; "Bernd Haegemann" Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Elias Mertel Yes, I'm sorry. I did try i...@musiqueancienne.com twice, and it bounced back both times. - Original Message - From: "Bernd Haegemann" To: ; "Stephen Arndt" Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Elias Mertel Dear Stephen, I have written to inquire about this edition, but my e-mails to the address given on their website (i...@musiqueancienne) keep bouncing back. Does anyone have a working e-mail address for them? That is not a valid mail adress, the top level domain is missing. Or did you try i...@musiqueancienne.com ? best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2080 - Release Date: 04/25/09 08:29:00
[LUTE] Bach
Some time ago I post a link to the allemande of BWV 1008, transcribed for the baroque lute. Here is the complete suite... [1]http://www.vimeo.com/4258680 Prelude, Allemande, Courante, Sarabande, Minuetts 1 & 2, Gigue. this is the transcription to the Baroque lute made by Rob McKillop (again great thanks to him !) This is an amateur recording, so forgive the few buzz here or there... Sorry... I tried my best. Lute made by Didier Jarny. Rob's site : [2]http://www.rmguitar.info/ Didier's site : [3]http://www.luths-et-luthier.com/ ;-) Val -- References 1. http://www.vimeo.com/4258680 2. http://www.rmguitar.info/ 3. http://www.luths-et-luthier.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Luthomania
I don't have the same feeling, I have so many messages on Youtube by people starting lute (often with ems instruments...) And I also see here in France many lute classes with childrens* (more than past years) and see the young composers joining recently... Val (optimistic) * PS see picts of the French lute days, with the class of Claire Antonini : http://www.sf-luth.org/Album_SFL/Journees_du_luth_Paris_2009/slides/IMG_2556.html - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Luthomania Gee the lute is the slow one :) There is a shortage of lute students. You see it everywhere, very sad. Probably we will see cuts in the programs. d At 01:30 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: Philippe Malfeyt (B) is lute teacher at the conservatoria of Brussel/Bruxelles, Gent/Gand and Leuven/Louvain Unfortunately there is only one lute pupil this year. Greet -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sauvage Valéry [mailto:sauvag...@orange.fr] Verzonden: zondag 12 april 2009 7:58 Aan: LuteNet list Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: Luthomania Hello Ed, I just made regular search with keyword "lute" (also liuto, laute, luth etc...) on YT, asking for more recent posts... Val ;-) - Original Message - From: [1]Ed Durbrow To: [2]Sauvage Valery ; [3]LuteNet list Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Luthomania Very much enjoyed that. Where are you finding all these people Valery? On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Sauvage Valery wrote: To see... [1][4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI8sbyY-kvU Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [5]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp [6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. mailto:sauvag...@orange.fr 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI8sbyY-kvU 5. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
