[LUTE] de los alamos vengo madre

[bill kilpatrick]

by juan vasquez (1500-60).  played on a mandolin ... but i hope it's
   acceptable as i treat the instrument as a plectrum lute:
   http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRghdXyBKc
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[LUTE] la folia witchcraft

[bill kilpatrick]

been la-la-la-la-ling it in mandolin land these days - hope you won't
   mind the following.
   there's a video on youtube in which a minister in gov. palin's church
   blesses her with protection against witchcraft - absolutely beggars
   belief ... prompted me to write the following - using the traditional
   "la folia" progression:
   http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9HIQhsY4F-0
   collusion with a priest
   in protection from the witch
   presupposes belief that they exist
   if we all give the power to palin
   will we get the horror of salem?
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[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make? baldasarre article

[bill kilpatrick]

lute pickers:-! joseph baldassare wrote a two part article in "lute news" 
(april/july - 2004) called "playing the lute in medieval europe" - filled with 
information and iconography.

- bill 

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--- On Sat, 28/6/08, bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?
To: "LuteNet list" 
Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 9:26 AM

why go to strangers? ...

everything you need to know is located here:

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/

oudists call the plectrum a "risha" - put that in the site's
search engine.

raptor feathers are preferred to the domestic variety (tougher) but the best,
imho, comes from horn.-! you can find cow horn on ebay at wildly varying
prices.

the other ESSENTIAL ingredient is olive oil - a good soak in olive oil will
keep anything cuticular in good condition.

- bill

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--- On Sat, 28/6/08, Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?
To: "Stuart Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "LuteNet
list" 
Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 8:59 AM

On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote:

> Ed Durbrow wrote:
>> Crawford Young uses a guitar string as a plectrum.
> Any more details on this?
> Stuart

Not too much to add. You just take the feathers off of the part on  
the end that hits the strings. He leaves a little bit of feather on  
the other end so that he can find it if it drops on the floor. The  
important point is that he uses the opposite end of the feather from  
what most folks do and he doesn't split it. I forget if he sands it  
or not to make it perfectly round.

I tried gluing or taping a bit of guitar G string to the side of a  
guitar pick so it protudes past the tip. This works well. It gives  
you a round bit that sounds well from any angle and something to hold  
on to that is wider than a string. You can adjust the flexibility by  
how close to the end you hold it.



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[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

[bill kilpatrick]

why go to strangers? ...

everything you need to know is located here:

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/

oudists call the plectrum a "risha" - put that in the site's search engine.

raptor feathers are preferred to the domestic variety (tougher) but the best, 
imho, comes from horn.-! you can find cow horn on ebay at wildly varying prices.

the other ESSENTIAL ingredient is olive oil - a good soak in olive oil will 
keep anything cuticular in good condition.

- bill

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--- On Sat, 28/6/08, Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?
To: "Stuart Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "LuteNet list" 
Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 8:59 AM

On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote:

> Ed Durbrow wrote:
>> Crawford Young uses a guitar string as a plectrum.
> Any more details on this?
> Stuart

Not too much to add. You just take the feathers off of the part on  
the end that hits the strings. He leaves a little bit of feather on  
the other end so that he can find it if it drops on the floor. The  
important point is that he uses the opposite end of the feather from  
what most folks do and he doesn't split it. I forget if he sands it  
or not to make it perfectly round.

I tried gluing or taping a bit of guitar G string to the side of a  
guitar pick so it protudes past the tip. This works well. It gives  
you a round bit that sounds well from any angle and something to hold  
on to that is wider than a string. You can adjust the flexibility by  
how close to the end you hold it.



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[LUTE] reply from SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH

[bill kilpatrick]

just received a reply from the legal and copyright department of 
 SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH that states the music in some "tempus est iocundum" 
 videos on youtube - mine included - was composed by carl orff and is 
 copyright protected. 
 how they came to this conclusion eludes me. -!i do not read music - i 
 play by ear. -!in some degree it's flattering that my warbling and 
 wizardry on the oud should conform to a composer of orff's renown. 
 as stated previously, i learned the tune from someone who learned it 
 from the ex-director of our group ... who subsequently writes that he 
 transcribed the music from the codex catalog buranus CB 179, using 
 modern notation. 
 i've subsequently learned that in the original manuscript, the tunes - 
 as such - were indicated by neumes or "breaths" - with the melody 
 being merely suggested. i don't know if neumes are present for the 
 "tempus" folio but i understand that orff is believed to have composed 
 the music for his "carmina burana" all by himself - without any 
 reference (i would assume) to these original neumes. 
 you've no-doubt played this piece a thousand times. i've not been able 
 to hear any other transcription of the piece (binkley's in particular) 
 but i wonder how different these versions can be? 
 whether the melody i used is accidentally orff's or not is beside the 
 point (imho) as the copyright will expire in 30-something years and as 
 a 60-something optimist ... i WILL be there! 
 more than anything else i think it's sad that SCHOTT has stooped to 
 snooping on the amateurs of youtube for big league copyright 
 infringement. 

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[LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody

[bill kilpatrick]

i could do with - Pounds 14,756 a week ... what's the deal?

you'll find the plectrum on ebay - seen here:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-Pyramid-Oud-Plektren-Ud-Laute-Saz_W0QQitemZ230263910016QQihZ013

.. but you can easily make your own (laundry detergent containers; cow's horn 
... a tusk, perhaps?)

- bill

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--- On Tue, 24/6/08, Stuart Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Stuart Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody
To: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Lute Net" 
Date: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008, 11:30 PM

LGS-Europe wrote:
> Jolly, indeed.
>
> Btw, what's all the advertisement on the right hand got to do with it,

> who thinks these companies, or what they sell, have anything to do 
> with mandolins?
>
> Trendy tankini of bikini
>
> Extreme Micro Bikinis
>
> Hot Celeb Girl Pics
>
> Badkleding Salty Dog
>
> Free Weekly Horoscope
>
> David - bemused
>


Is this the Youtube or the Ning (via Youtube) ? It's the ads that pay 
for it all. On Ning I get ads  for:

10 rules for a fat stomach
Smartphones
How to earn - Pounds 14,756 a week
and hot singles!

Nice tune, Bill. What's the plectrum thing you are using?


Stuart
>
> 
> David van Ooijen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.davidvanooijen.nl
> 
>
> - Original Message - From: "Stewart McCoy"
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:29 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Tempus est iocundum - original melody
>
>
>> Thanks, Bill. That's very jolly, and much appreciated.
>>
>> Stewart McCoy.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 24 June 2008 16:04
>> To: lute list
>>
>>
>> Subject: [LUTE] tempus est iocundum - original melody
>>
>> here's mine:
>>
>>
http://earlymusicmandolin.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2167739%3AVideo%3
>> A22
>>
>> . where's yours?
>>
>> - bill
>>
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[LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody

[bill kilpatrick]

on the right hand of my page - here in italy - the adverts are as follows: 

"free sms messages"

"loose belly fat"

download microsoft's "messenger"

"high school musical"

"free music, photos and videos"

.. mammon up north seems much more beguiling.
-!
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody
To: "Lute Net" 
Date: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008, 11:09 PM

Jolly, indeed.

Btw, what's all the advertisement on the right hand got to do with it, who 
thinks these companies, or what they sell, have anything to do with 
mandolins?

Trendy tankini of bikini

Extreme Micro Bikinis

Hot Celeb Girl Pics

Badkleding Salty Dog

Free Weekly Horoscope

David - bemused



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Subject: [LUTE] Tempus est iocundum - original melody


> Thanks, Bill. That's very jolly, and much appreciated.
>
> Stewart McCoy.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 June 2008 16:04
> To: lute list
>
>
> Subject: [LUTE] tempus est iocundum - original melody
>
> here's mine:
>
> http://earlymusicmandolin.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2167739%3AVideo%3
> A22
>
> . where's yours?
>
> - bill
>
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick
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[LUTE] tempus est iocundum - original melody

[bill kilpatrick]

here's mine:

http://earlymusicmandolin.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2167739%3AVideo%3A22

.. where's yours?

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[LUTE] Re: dun bin orff-ed - the end

[bill kilpatrick]

screw 'em ... haven't heard from SCHOTT or youtube with an explanation and i 
don't expect i will.-! i dislike the idea of repetitive "covers" in any case. 
not everyone agrees, but to me - this is early folk music and i qualify! i'm 
working on a variation of the melody - a process i'm sure my "early music" 
predecessors engaged in with copyrightless abandon.

not that i'll use any of them ... but "tempus est iocundum" can be sung to "old 
macdonald had a farm" ... "100 bottles of beer on the wall" ... "fr=C3=A8re 
jacques" ... and at a pinch, "the star spangled banner" ...

.. cd available soon.


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[LUTE] dun bin orff-ed - reading neumes

[bill kilpatrick]

in relation to a possible copyright infringement on "tempus est iocundum" 
performances - past and future - is anyone in a position to compare the orff 
composition with any other treatment of the original manuscript?-! ... are 
there neumes in the collection that relate specifically to this song?

any help would be greatly appreciated - bill
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[LUTE] copyright infringement for "tempus est iocundum"

[bill kilpatrick]

greetings -



i recorded a video on youtube of my performance of "tempus est iocundum" from 
the 13th
cent. carmina burana collection of songs.-! as i understand it, all songs in the
collection are anonymous - some of which were used by carl orff for his
orchestration.-! 





the video has been removed at the request of SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH & Co. for an 
infringement of copyright.




i've written to youtube questioning whether SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH & Co.
has genuine copyrights on an anonymously composed 13th cent. tune.



has anyone here been similarly censored?




shocked and more than a little pissed-off - bill

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[LUTE] Re: Hopkinson Smith on silence and lute playing

[bill kilpatrick]

http://www.hopkinsonsmith.com/

--- vance wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> - Original Message - 
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> 
> 
> > Dear Sirs,
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> > I got a newsletter (#3) from the homepage of
> Hopkinson Smith the other
> > day. He has writtern such a beautiful text on
> silence and lute
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[LUTE] Re: Xmas ensemble

[bill kilpatrick]

will there be two of you, swopping instruments or are
there four of you?

shame about the costume - what's that wire running up
your arm for?!?

- bill
 
--- Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Any recommendations for Xmas music for violin/ viola
> da gamba and Ren  
> lute/B. guit? Gig coming up in a department store in
> December that  
> calls for a few Christmas tunes.
> 
> Ed Durbrow
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[LUTE] Re: Tweaking youtube video sound

[bill kilpatrick]

as one not-much-enamored with the technique of sound,
i appreciated your playing in every case ... but of
the three, i liked the sound quality of the 3rd piece
(the bourree) best.

garage band on my mac has a facility for bagpipe ...
the mind boggles - if ever there was instrument less
suited for recording, the pipe - any pipe - is it.

long live alan lomax and whatever it was he used to
make his wonderful recordings - bill 
 
--- Daniel Shoskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For streaming video on the net, there are usually
> sacrifices in video  
> and sound quality, esp on Youtube. I've posted 3
> videos today (A  
> major Weiss pieces). For the first 2 (prelude and
> Allemande) I used  
> my video camera for the video but used my linear PCM
> recorder for the  
> sound. Then imported sound into iTunes, applied
> graphic equalizer to  
> reduce highest treble channel, then re-recorded
> using Audio Hijack  
> (because I'm too cheap to buy a fancy remixing
> software package) then  
> sent audio and video to Garageband (there IS a Mac
> theme here) then  
> played around with both tracks to get them
> synchronized, then  
> exported as a .mov file.
> 
> For the last piece (Bourree) I just used the video
> camera and applied  
> a bit of noise reduction in iMovie (reduces the
> camera's rumble).
> 
> The extra audio quality did take a lot of time and
> work. For most  
> people's viewing on the web, does it make much of a
> difference?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut9rHOpiht8
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[LUTE] Re: pictures

[bill kilpatrick]

is that you in the mrs. twiggy-winkle outfit? ... do
you - you know - want to talk about it? ... 

--- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Way off topic, but some people know what I've been
> up to last weekend and 
> have been nagging me for pictures. Understandably,
> once you see've seen 
> them. I like the Vermeer guitar player, couldn't
> quite match the curly hair, 
> though. ;-)
> 
> 
> http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/david/pics_f.html
> 
> David - safely back in jeans
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: humidifier+hang 'em high

[bill kilpatrick]

if, on that great day of reckoning and final
judgement, god turns out to be arboreal in nature, i,
for one, am in a lot of trouble.  driving a tractor
has been a learning experience ... the brunt of which,
alas, has been borne by the lower branches of our
bruised and addled olive trees.

dryads don't exist ... right? (knock wood)

- bill (ex-owner of an arthur godfrey, plastic
ukulele) 
 
--- Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "There is a professional tree-torturer on this list.
> I'm sure he will appear
> 
> soon.
> RT"
> 
> Does this count as 'appearing out of the woodwork'?
> 
> In the 30 years, where I have lived at my present
> address, I have cut down
> and removed from my garden...
> 
> 6 x Lombardy Poplar trees
> 1 x Willow Tree
> 1 x Weeping Willow
> 2 x Flowering Cherry trees
> 4 x Leylandii conifer trees
> 1 x Pear tree
> 1 x Apple tree
> 1 x Sycamore tree
> Several bushes...etc.
> 
> All of these were mature and in good health and have
> now been replaced with
> other, more sensibly sized, indigenous species.  -
> We now have half-hour
> extra daylight!
> 
> I may even glean some home-grown material for
> lute-building.
> 
> I plan to remove a big Bramley apple-tree soon, as I
> have saplings to set.
> 
> But hey, I'm no professional woodsman...and they
> didn't suffer...much.
> 
> 
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> 
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[LUTE] Re: humidifier+hang 'em high

[bill kilpatrick]

--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a professional tree-torturer on this list.
> I'm sure he will appear 
> soon.
> RT


.. you mean as in "chop-chop?"

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[LUTE] Re: hang 'em high

[bill kilpatrick]

every now and then you see an oud up for auction on
ebay with holes in the back which indicate that it had
been screwed to the wall of some resturant with a
middle-eastern theme - (gasp) - what a horrible thing
to do to an instrument.

i know people sometimes hang their guitars on the wall
with purpose-built, prong-like things but ...

.. please don't do it to your lute: it will absorb
more dust; be more susceptable to changes in heat and
humidity and ... assuming you've spent some money on
the gorgeous thing ... be a highly visable object of
desire to a whole host of mainly invisable and highly
undesireable people of a less than honest disposition.



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> Does anyone suspend his or her lute from a wall?  Is
> there a good, safe way
> to do this?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> 
> Stephen
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[LUTE] Re: [AMS-announce] CFP: Harmonia mundi: Musical instruments in Latin America, Guadalajara, Mar 2008

[bill kilpatrick]

yes ...

arthur - if you do go or are in the loop for any
publications relating to the findings of the
conference, please let us know - should be
interesting.

how about "vihuelas are everywhere" for a conference
button?

- bill

--- Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:54 AM
> Subject: [AMS-announce] CFP: Harmonia mundi: Musical
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> 
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> > Dear Colleagues:
> >
> > I am pleased to announce the 4th annual
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> > The theme of the conference is "Harmonia mundi:
> > Musical instruments in Latin America,
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> > representation of musical instruments; 2)
> > Traditions in playing, teaching, and learning
> musical
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> > conservation of musical instruments.
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[LUTE] basso continuo rustico

[bill kilpatrick]

.. of a sort - como poden - from the cantigas di
santa maria:

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[LUTE] Re: Import duty for instrument shipped to US

[bill kilpatrick]

eugene's baroque mandolino came from luciano faria but
(i think) he's gone fishin' up in ontario.
 
--- Kevin Kishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Check out the US trade commission website:
> 
> 
> 
> It's got most info you need, although digging
> through everything to find what's applicable can
> take a little time.  Anyway, if I'm reading this
> correctly, you will have to pay 4.6% on the declared
> value.  (Hopefully the maker didn't describe it on
> the paperwork as a "guitar" because that would make
> it 8.7%.)  I'm not sure what kind of duty there is
> on a case, but if you bought it as a package deal,
> then I think it's all included.  Here's a link for
> the chapter on musical instruments.
> 
>

> 
> You can also read the "general notes" section for
> more info on how to read this chart:
> 
>

> 
> Good luck.
> Kevin
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Jim Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LUTE-LIST 
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:06:27 AM
> Subject: [LUTE] Import duty for instrument shipped
> to US
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have been informed by Luciano Faria, my luthier in
> Brazil, that my lute
> shipped yesterday. Does anyone know if I will have
> to pay import duty? Does
> it just show up on my doorstep?
> 
> Jim
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Import duty for instrument shipped to US

[bill kilpatrick]

--- Robert Clair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are weirdnesses - bagpipes are free (or double

really?  so far, the pipes i've been getting from
bulgaria are delivered here in europe w/o duty but
anything from the US (including xmas presents from my
dear old mum') are absolutely hammered with duty.

if italian customs practices are anything to go by
(imh-experience) the left hand doesn't even know it
has a right. 

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[LUTE] Re: Import duty for instrument shipped to US

[bill kilpatrick]

i know charangos arrive in the us without import
duties - depends on whether your lute gets classed as
a "luxury" item, i suppose.
 
--- Jim Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have been informed by Luciano Faria, my luthier in
> Brazil, that my lute
> shipped yesterday. Does anyone know if I will have
> to pay import duty? Does
> it just show up on my doorstep?
> 
> Jim
> 
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[LUTE] Re: lute song sighting, almost

[bill kilpatrick]

here in italy too - i was once startled (frankly) to
see an illustrated t-shirt on very young girl - 10 or
12 years old maybe - that had the coquettish image of
a female dog, tail up, wiggling her rear-end around
while disappearing under the right arm and the image
of an aroused male dog, thundering after her in hot
pursuit from under the left arm, saying "sniff!
sniff!"

my favorite was a toddler's baseball hat i saw once
with a typical baseball and cross bats motif along
with the words (in english) "ball buster!"

- bill

  
--- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bill
> 
> > what's it say on the packet of cheese spread? ...
> 
> In Japan you'll have many close encounters with what
> I'd like to call 'mood 
> poetry'. It doesn't have to make sense, so any
> combination of 
> emotion-evoking words in a foreign language will do.
> In advertisements, on 
> packaging and on clothes, T-shirts as well as
> underwear. On the latter 
> you'll find some philosopically bewildering
> statements that will shed a 
> whole new light on the relation between packaging
> and content. Can't think 
> of any off-hand, but I have been shocked, once or
> twice, in rather intimate 
> situations.
> 
> David
> 
> >
> >
> > --- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Familiar with Dowland's My thoughts are wing'd
> with
> >> hopes, my hopes with
> >> love?
> >>
> >> This is what's printed on the package of Japanese
> >> rice crackers in front of
> >> me (spelling and interpunction original):
> >>
> >> My thoughts is wings of hope, My wish is wings of
> >> love, Flying away into the
> >> azure sky. Talking to the sun, The sunlight
> shining
> >> on all over the ground,
> >> That is just love ...
> >>
> >> Food for thought.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> David van Ooijen
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[LUTE] Re: lute song sighting, almost

[bill kilpatrick]

what's it say on the packet of cheese spread? ...


--- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Familiar with Dowland's My thoughts are wing'd with
> hopes, my hopes with 
> love?
> 
> This is what's printed on the package of Japanese
> rice crackers in front of 
> me (spelling and interpunction original):
> 
> My thoughts is wings of hope, My wish is wings of
> love, Flying away into the 
> azure sky. Talking to the sun, The sunlight shining
> on all over the ground, 
> That is just love ...
> 
> Food for thought.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> David van Ooijen
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> www.davidvanooijen.nl
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[LUTE] Re: richard III and the charango

[bill kilpatrick]

late at night ... the sandman is insistent ... but the
short answer to your question is:

.. not a lot - they're all (i maintain) in the
vihuela family - jaranas, medianas, charangos, vihuela
de golpe, tiple, timple etc., etc..

zzz - bill
 
--- David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 2007, at 6:33 PM, bill kilpatrick wrote:
> 
> > if kinship is acknowledged between a "vihuela" and
> a
> > "charango" - at what point in history did one
> become
> > the other? ... and why?
> 
> Bill, as long as we're distinguishing instruments,
> clearly in an  
> effort to eschew obfuscation :-), what about the
> tiple?  I understand  
> that is also a descencent of the vihuela.  How is it
> different to a  
> charango?
> 
> David R
> 
> 
> 


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[LUTE] cobza

[bill kilpatrick]

a million miles from what you're probably into but
very close to what lute-related "folks" were into, not
that long ago:

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[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute request warning!

[bill kilpatrick]

.. could it have been your wake-up call?

goodtothelastdrop - bill

--- Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear all
>   I just received a garbled mail tittled
> "Baroque-lute-request anthony- 
> hind" and
> with some references to nescafé that I can see.
> I knowingly sent no such mail. I don't know what the
> origin of this  
> might be.
> I can only think that you should not click on any
> links in that message
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[LUTE] Re: carbon strings

[bill kilpatrick]

chat concerning carbon strings does nothing to
diminish our carbon foot ... er ... finger print(s) -
cooking oil strings?

just found out that one of the lunatics in our village
(lunatic in the genuine sense of the word) caused some
concern with the local health officials some time ago
when it was discovered she was cooking cats -
alternate string users take note.

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[LUTE] Re: cedric, and mercy and pity

[bill kilpatrick]

manolo - far-far from music but interesting from the
point of view of an american living in europe, is "the
europeans."  it's a short novel, less dense than some
of his monster novels - the best of which (imho) is
"the portrait of a lady."

david - i've read most of his novels but "the
ambassadors" (about a quarter way though) represents
my high water mark ... i simply could not go on -
ditto "the golden bowl."

i have a book of his plays that i can recommend to
anyone suffering from insomnia.
 
- bill

--- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > mmhh, reading Henry James: in spanish yes, I did
> it many years ago. What
> > (short) story would you advice to me?
> 
> I'm enjoying The Ambassadors at the moment. It's at
> a different pace than my 
> life, which is perfect to slow me down from time to
> time.
> 
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> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: cedric, and mercy and pity

[bill kilpatrick]

my dear friend - please excuse me.  you have expressed
yourself so well and so clearly in the past - i never
suspected that anyone's use of english here would
present problems.

simply put, i think the early music we enjoy today had
a more varied audience centuries ago.  i think part of
that audience would have had opinions similar to my
own regarding the formal vs. informal appreciation of
it and would have let their feelings be known from
time to time.

these opinions are expressed in good humour - i hope
they are received in same - and do nothing to diminish
my respect for you all.

try reading henry james - bill  


--- Manolo Laguillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I really would like to have a deeper knowledge of
> the english language 
> when one of your messages arrive, dear Bill, because
> sometimes (for 
> instance in the thread 'vihuela black swan') I only
> understand about 30% 
> of them: they are filled with difficult words,
> slang, and so on, and for 
> me it's terribly difficult, so that, finally, I give
> up.
> 
> That does not happen to me with other messages
> written by english, 
> american, australian, etc, people in this list, it
> happens to me only 
> with your messages.
> 
> So this is a message in which I beg for mercy and
> pity, dear Bill: I do 
> really have interest in what you say.
> 
> I am perfectly aware that what you say is deeply
> connected with how you 
> say it, and that it is perhaps impossible to
> simplify the how, but, 
> anyway, I wanted to express my frustration...
> 
> Saludos from Barcelona,
> Manolo Laguillo
> 
> bill kilpatrick wrote:
> 
> >i know you'll say it's none of my business - and
> quite
> >right too - but i can't help feeling just that
> little
> >bit anxious for the welfare of your poor little,
> >etiolated vihuelas and baroque guitars and their
> >future development as well rounded chordaphones in
> an
> >ever diversifying contemporary music scene.
> >
> >i mean ... it's a wuff' life.  
> >
> >instead of being zipped-up in the cheap n' cheerful
> >confines of a chinese-made, nylon "gig" bag and
> >whisked round - simply as "one of the gang" - to a
> >wide variety of light-hearted venues ... road
> houses;
> >smoke-filled taverns; rowdy bar-b-ques; raucous
> clam
> >bakes; hale n' hearty sing-a-longs, etc., etc. (as
> >their progenitors were, lo' those many, many years
> >ago) ... cedric - as i learn lord fauntleroy's
> >american christian name to have been - is usually
> >cosseted in a purpose built case, costing many
> >hundreds of dollars and carried forth to an
> >oak-paneled, university chamber, of an evening, to
> >perform before a select circle of stern-faced
> HIP-ese.
> >
> >.. pop open a brew! ... show him how to "walk the
> >dog!"
> >
> >to this end, i've been thinking of a suitable
> >composition for the boy, to increase the chances of
> >his being accepted by all the other cheeky little
> >chappies on the block ...
> >
> >how about "goodbye ruby tuesday" by the railing
> >staines?
> >
> >.. a little bossa nova might not be a'miss, either.
> >
> >dreadfully concerned - bill
> >
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> >
> >
> > 
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[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

[bill kilpatrick]

it's a recurring nighmare/fantasy of mine that i
stumble into a huntin'fishin'-type shop with only a
few pennies in my pocket, trying to replace a busted
string on my charango - my only means of support.

i don't know what sort of lute you have or if the
following has any relevance ... but in the treble
range of the charango (apropos fishing line) here are
the diameters listed:

E 0.4 mm 0.016 inch 
A 0.6mm 0.024 inch 
E 0.7 mm 0.028 inch
e 0.4 mm 
C 0.5 mm 0.02 inch
G 0.7 mm

E 0.4mm
A 1st string of a guitar
E 2nd string of a guitar
e 0.4 mm
C 0.5mm
G 1st string of a guitar

ping - bill

--- Charles Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Dear colleagues,
> I have three carbon strings, at least I had three,
> marked No.6, No.8 and No,
> 10. Presumably these were from reels of fishing
> line. Is there a standard
> relationship between this type of numbering and
> string diameter?
> thanks
> Charles
> 
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[LUTE] Re: awad ahmodi

[bill kilpatrick]

according to what i read at mike's ... he's playing in
the "khomasi scale."  google didn't provide an
explanation for this but yes, i agree, whatever he's
playing is very accessible to my western ears.  it's
difficult to imagine a more unfomfortable position for
holding the risha, however.

- bill
  
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> > At 06:22 PM 6/8/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote:
> > >toe tapping stuff from this blind sudanese oud
> > player
> > >- interesting way of holding a risha:
> > >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjgozomLcLs
> > >
> > >(from mike's ouds)
> > 
> 
> Good stuff.  There's a lot of Western influence
> there,
> though.  Chords aren't a traditional part of Arabic
> music.  Are they typical of modern oud playing?  
> (Maybe just in Sudan?)
> 
> Chris
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Women in Art

[bill kilpatrick]

you're already loaded with options ... but uploading
the video to your blog site (if you have one) is also
an option.

- bill

--- Leonard Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know how to save a YouTube
> video? Women in Art (not to
> mention the many lute videos) is great, but my slow
> internet connection
> makes later repeat viewings a time consuming chore. 
> Any way to get them to
> my hard drive permanently?
> Thanks!
> 
> Leonard Williams
> 
> On 6/7/07 5:08 PM, "Tony Chalkley"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > If the music were entitled Morpheus... but then it
> would make you fall
> > asleep.
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:34 AM
> > Subject: [LUTE] Women in Art
> > 
> > 
> >> This is slightly off topic, but a friend sent
> this to me today, and it
> >> really left me with a placid, satisfying feeling:
> >> 
> >>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs
> >> 
> >> Turn on the volume, and take time to observe the
> beauty, & relax.
> >> 
> >> ed
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Edward Martin
> >> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
> >> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> voice:  (218) 728-1202
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[LUTE] awad ahmodi

[bill kilpatrick]

toe tapping stuff from this blind sudanese oud player
- interesting way of holding a risha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjgozomLcLs

(from mike's ouds)

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[LUTE] Re: Et tu, Edo?

[bill kilpatrick]

ed - 

i can't say i was actually looking forward to seeing
you in your smalls ... but i was just that little bit
curious.  alas, all that was revealed from your lute
posting on my computer was an enormous "q" for
"quicktime" and nothing else.  

go-on ... post your video to "youtube" and let's 'ave
you ...

mega respect - bill
 
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> That's right, I too have added my cyberspace debut
> lute video - in  
> casual dress (very).
> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/2007message.html
> Just click Fantasia in underwear.
> 
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[LUTE] modern troubadour II

[bill kilpatrick]

"reluctance" - by robert frost - from "a boy's will"
collection of poems(1913):

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[LUTE] Re: who invented the guitar

[bill kilpatrick]

--- Alexander Batov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> I would be tempted to use it as a racket though ...

batter-up batov  
badminton bean-boppin' 
bowl-back berater

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[LUTE] Re: who invented the guitar

[bill kilpatrick]

a simple experiment, to prove that a combined,
two-bout, figure "8"-style sound chamber is better -
more resonate ... different (at any rate) - than one
is to drop a ping-pong ball into the sound chamber of
your instrument.  i realize that for those with fixed
roses this is an impossibility but it's easy enough
for those with an open sound hole.

the ping-pong ball forms a mini-sound chamber within a
larger sound chamber.  it's why people wearing cowboy
boots and improbable stetsons drop rattlesnake rattles
into their instruments.   

bet you'awl wish you had a friendly little charango
'bout now so as to perform this-here ex-pear-i-ment.

plucky - bill
 


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[LUTE] Re: Workshop video

[bill kilpatrick]

fabulous - thank you. 

- bill
 
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[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?

[bill kilpatrick]

absolutely -

to those who can look at a manuscript and read it
effortlessly w/o strum und drum, this inability to
read music must seem like someone who is incapable of
tieing his own shoe laces ... but i assure you - five
wavering
lines and wildly wiggly dots have little to do with
what me and my charango can produce.

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[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?

[bill kilpatrick]

absolutely -

to those who can look at a manuscript and read it
effortlessly w/o strum und drum, this inability to
read music must seem like someone who is incapable of
tieing his own shoe laces ... but i assure you - five
lines and wildly wiggly dots have little to do with
what me and my charango can produce.

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[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?

[bill kilpatrick]

you'awl may laugh and joke but i've got dyslexia big
time and i simply can not - not WILL not - but CAN not
.. read music - in both tabs and notation.  i can
forge through a melody, note by note but it's a long
and painful process.  i only really "know" a piece
when i hear it.  (godbless midi and mp3.)

i happened to hear an interview once with joanna
lumley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Lumley) in
which she said she'd tried many times to do it but
simply couldn't - even with encouragement from her
conductor husband, stephen barlow
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barlow).

i play better now, aged 60, than i ever did when i was
kid but i still can't read a note.

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[LUTE] youtubeouddebuttwo

[bill kilpatrick]

how's'zat for alliteration! ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTqGMvPTig

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[LUTE] yootube deboo two

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gnMR0ZZbH0#GU5U2spHI_4

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[LUTE] youtube debut

[bill kilpatrick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyvrCMmt8k

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[LUTE] Re: food & drink songs?

[bill kilpatrick]

vinum bonum et suave

bache bene venies

tourdion

make it one for my baby and one more for the road

copper kettle  

cigarettes and whiskey and wild-wild women

.. and who could forget:

what made milwaukee famous has made a fool out of me

um-umm!

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[LUTE] Re: pc early music pin-up (cont.)

[bill kilpatrick]

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn940

long of tooth - bill

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[LUTE] Re: pc early music pin-up (cont.)

[bill kilpatrick]

another timid soul has brought his pin-up to my
attention:

http://www.hillenet.net/downloads/default.shtml

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[LUTE] pc early music pin-up (cont.)

[bill kilpatrick]

bella fancuilla with lute has been brought to my
attention:

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[LUTE] Re: pc early music pin-up

[bill kilpatrick]

bo' ... she and catherine bott take turns hosting a
wonderful early music program on the bbc: 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/presenters/lucie_skeaping.shtml

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[LUTE] pc early music pin-up

[bill kilpatrick]

pc for all the right reasons, rest assured ... but
gracing the inside of my locker would be a photo of
lucie skeaping:  

http://www.lucieskeaping.co.uk/  

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[LUTE] the sun's music

[bill kilpatrick]

arto!  nothing new under the sun ... or so they say:

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[LUTE] Re: Contemporary Music and the Lute

[bill kilpatrick]

odd you should say that as i'm on the case for
anything classic - contemporary or other wise - that's
been written for - or adaptable to - the charango. 
contemporary music for the lute might present problems
as the instrument is largely considered to be a period
instrument, associated almost exclusively with the
early music repertoire.

i think it has a special dynamic; calm, reflective,
very low-key - don't know if those qualities carry
much truck with melodophobic bang contemporary crash
classic wallop composers.

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[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.

[bill kilpatrick]

20-plus years ago i saw nigel kennedy do the same
thing in a pedestrian passageway under hammersmith
circle in london.  he was dressed up to look like the
character on the cover of the "aqualung" album by
jethro tull.  i put some money in his hat and listened
for while but i'm sure very few others did.

reading a book about pius II (piccolomini) which
states that as a student in rome, the 15th cent.
humanist antonio beccadelli (1394—1471) called il
panormita, used to busk with his lyre while his
boyfriend, ergotele, sang.

i always give money to buskers - especially those
reserved enough to play on a take-it or leave-it
basis.

thanks for that - great article.

--- Chris Bolton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of
> the same phenomenon as
> described in the following article, but I've decided
> to keep listening and
> plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing
> state of affairs.
> Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute
> player would have been
> easier under the patronage of the Medici?
> 
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[LUTE] Re: No Humour please, were (at the) BRITish (awards)

[bill kilpatrick]

mark ... what are you on about? - even in 15-whatever,
it was still rock n' roll.

respectfully (but at a distance) - bill

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> 
> Classical Brits Old Man Face-Off: Sting Vs Paul
> McCartney
> 
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old hobb is dead as well.

darwin wins ... a double header! - bill

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[LUTE] venues

[bill kilpatrick]

in talking to some early musicians in california i
hear that ren-faire type venues for early music are
not what they used to be.  i've noticed recently that
more lutes are being put up for auction with a
three-figure asking price - as opposed to 4 - and
today's check of "altro strumenti musicali" on italian
ebay reveals that a pricey, medieval viella (bowed), 4
gironde and 2 salterio are on the block.

rough winter was it, generally?  dipping into the seed
corn?

subsequently see that the viella was put up for
auction by the luthier who made it - which is
indicative in itself as it's ... ebay.

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[LUTE] Re: Stung again

[bill kilpatrick]

--- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> Because you play "that thing that Sting plays."  Ho!
>  Ho!  Just  
> kidding.  Seriously, we're all "mystified" by
> Sting's success.

i'm mystified as well but more for the "baggage" that
a talented, soulful, so-called "pop" artist is obliged
to carry with him from one venue to another.

if those who berate "sting" for singing and playing
early music were to be suddenly transported back in
time to elizabethian london and hear, per chance,
someone other than dowland performing one of his
compositions in any way different from what we now -
in our time - perceive to be "pukkah" ... i wonder
what would they say say?

i'm sure - absolutely, positively sure - that hank
williams "purists" would consider anything i might do
to his compositions to be nothing less than a complete
travesty.  but there are nights - even here in tuscany
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[LUTE] Re: Stung again

[bill kilpatrick]

empress of all flowers ...
 
i fear david may be right in that the preconcieved
notions people carry with them can sometimes make it
.. the thing itself - seem unrecognizable.
 
can too much information be just as "dangerous" (in a
"tree for the forest" situation) as too little?  
 
> --- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> > 
> > > Which empress???
> > 
> > You mean there's more than one?
> > 
> > > Yesterday I taught 2 classes of 19-year olds at
> > NYU, invited by a
> > > poet-friend who teaches a History of Culture
> > course which touches  
> > > on the
> > > "mystification as a literary vehicle".
> > 
> > Interesting.  When I was in graduate school it was
> > de-mystification.   
> > Still, that was a long time ago...
> > 
> > > So I was asked to do a presentation
> > > on Sautscheckerei, my humble self in the context
> > of literary  
> > > mystification
> > > from Descartes, Chatterton, Macpherson, Merimee,
> > Musin-Pushkin and  
> > > other
> > > fine individuals
> > > Dan Swenberg (of the Rebel Baroque Orchestra et
> > al.) helped out  
> > > with a dozen
> > > and a half Sarmaticae et Ruthenicae on the
> > Renaissance lute. I  
> > > played the
> > > sautscheckerei myself in the second half-
> baroque
> > lute settings of and
> > > variations on Ukrainian songs, with some
> originals
> > interspersed, nach
> > > Haydnisches Manier, naturlich, as a musical
> > equivalent of Merimee's  
> > > GUZLA.
> > > The picaresque aspect of the event also was
> > certainly useful.
> > 
> > Very impressive!
> > 
> > > But before
> > > Sting came along we would drawn blank stares.
> > These kids were  
> > > genuinely
> > > interested.
> > 
> > Because you play "that thing that Sting plays." 
> Ho!
> >  Ho!  Just  
> > kidding.  Seriously, we're all "mystified" by
> > Sting's success.
> > 
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[LUTE] Re: Stung again

[bill kilpatrick]

empress of all flowers ...

i fear david may be right in that the preconcieved
notions people carry with them can sometimes make it
.. the thing itself - seem unrecognizable.

can too much information be just as "dangerous" (in a
"tree for the forest" situation) as too little?  

--- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> 
> > Which empress???
> 
> You mean there's more than one?
> 
> > Yesterday I taught 2 classes of 19-year olds at
> NYU, invited by a
> > poet-friend who teaches a History of Culture
> course which touches  
> > on the
> > "mystification as a literary vehicle".
> 
> Interesting.  When I was in graduate school it was
> de-mystification.   
> Still, that was a long time ago...
> 
> > So I was asked to do a presentation
> > on Sautscheckerei, my humble self in the context
> of literary  
> > mystification
> > from Descartes, Chatterton, Macpherson, Merimee,
> Musin-Pushkin and  
> > other
> > fine individuals
> > Dan Swenberg (of the Rebel Baroque Orchestra et
> al.) helped out  
> > with a dozen
> > and a half Sarmaticae et Ruthenicae on the
> Renaissance lute. I  
> > played the
> > sautscheckerei myself in the second half- baroque
> lute settings of and
> > variations on Ukrainian songs, with some originals
> interspersed, nach
> > Haydnisches Manier, naturlich, as a musical
> equivalent of Merimee's  
> > GUZLA.
> > The picaresque aspect of the event also was
> certainly useful.
> 
> Very impressive!
> 
> > But before
> > Sting came along we would drawn blank stares.
> These kids were  
> > genuinely
> > interested.
> 
> Because you play "that thing that Sting plays."  Ho!
>  Ho!  Just  
> kidding.  Seriously, we're all "mystified" by
> Sting's success.
> 
> David Rastall
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.rastallmusic.com
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[LUTE] Re: been there

[bill kilpatrick]

i think it translates as " ... should have studied
archaeology."

- bill


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> poveri noi
> 
> ( I can't translate...)
> 
> Donatella
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bill kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:14 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] been there
> 
> 
> > 'yep:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByB9H1ZiuYc
> >
> > .. followed by:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLIjujIUU0
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[LUTE] been there

[bill kilpatrick]

'yep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByB9H1ZiuYc

.. followed by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLIjujIUU0



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[LUTE] Re: YouTube - Folk chorus

[bill kilpatrick]

i'm currently embroiled in a dust-up over on the
rec.early.music site - although i hope everything has
settled down now - over just how old this sort of folk
music is - did folks sing like this in the
medieval/renaissance periods ... did they sing or even
play instruments at all?  incredibly prickly, pedantic
and difficult exchange.

to me, this style of performance sounds ancient and
original and can rightly be considered as a of source
of authentic, HIP-related information.

guidelines on just how lute - or whatever -
accompaniment should be played with this sort of music
is all i'm really interested in.

joy - bill
 
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> before they get intabulated:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaEyoScz9AI
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[LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello"

[bill kilpatrick]

there's also the vihuela de penola - played with
plectrum - but a rose by any other name is ... thorny.

--- gary digman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is not the Italian term "viola" the equivalent of
> the Spanish "vihuela' and
> the Portugese "violao"? And, as I understand it,
> these terms were origially
> applied to any stringed instrument. Hence, in Spain
> a plucked instrument was
> a "vihuela de mano" and a bowed instrument was a
> "vihuela de arco". Thus, we
> must be clear that the term viola is not refering to
> the modern instrument
> known as the viola.
> 
> Gary
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Alice Renken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Fred Chandler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Viols] "cello"
> 
> 
> > Nope, sorry, Fred. The root word here is "viola".
> The diminutive
> > ending is "ino", giving "violino", "little viola".
> "ello" is an
> > aggrandizing ending, so "violoncello" is "big
> viola". The ending
> > "one" is super-aggrandizing, so "violone" means
> "super-big viola".
> > Which is exactly what the cello and double bass
> are.
> > On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Fred Chandler wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Re""Many words that are common usage derive from
> parts of the
> > > original,
> > > like "cellist" for "violincellist." The suffix
> "cello" is a
> > > significator
> > > meaning large, so, cellist really has no
> meaning.
> > >
> > > "Gambist" is certainly the most recognizable
> title for a person who
> > > plays the viola da gamba. I don't have any
> problem with "violist da
> > > gamba" except for its awkwardness--but over the
> years have moved
> > > towards
> > > using "gambist" (just as have moved towards
> using "gamba" for the
> > > instrument), especially for an audience
> unfamiliar with the instrument
> > > that is likely to confuse it with a viola.
> > >
> > > Virginia Kaycoff ""
> > >
> > > Hi Virginia,
> > >
> > > Surely violoncello means little violone. I have
> always believed that
> > > Botticelli the artist's name meant little
> barrel. But I agree with you
> > > on using the word gambist.
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[LUTE] Re: Clatterford lute sighting

[bill kilpatrick]

boo ...  hiss ...  not absolutely bril' wit from la
saunders.

i wonder if her script called for (laughter) after.  

--- Daniel Shoskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In today's NY Times there is an article about
> "Clatterford" a BBC  
> comedy created by Jennifer Saunders (of Absolutely
> Fabulous fame).  
> She plays a name dropping rich socialite and they
> gave as an example  
> the following quote: "We had a lovely evening. Until
> Sting played the  
> lute".
> 
> Priceless.
> 
> The series begins airing in the US this Friday on
> BBC America.
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[LUTE] Re: harmosis

[bill kilpatrick]

don't know if this of interest to anyone but a
knowledgeable contributor to mike's ouds posted this:

http://members.aol.com/ricdum/lute.htm

i've always thought that bowlback instruments of any
sort were a relatively recent invention.  with images
of recent visit to egypt still fresh in my mind - and
in my dreams ... - i find the idea of a prehistoric
lute to be something of a marvel.   


--- bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> an item posted to mike's oud site concerns an
> egyptian
> musician named harmosis, 1500 bc, who (according to
> drawings in his tomb) played a guembri-like
> instrument.  anyone know anything about this man?
> 
> regards - bill
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[LUTE] harmosis

[bill kilpatrick]

an item posted to mike's oud site concerns an egyptian
musician named harmosis, 1500 bc, who (according to
drawings in his tomb) played a guembri-like
instrument.  anyone know anything about this man?

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[LUTE] stradivarius preservation technique

[bill kilpatrick]

picked this up on mike's oud site:

http://www.newscientisttech.com/article.ns?id=dn10686&feedId=online-news_rss20

.. says that a unique method of wood preservation
might be responsible for the tone of his instruments -
not the denser wood, produced by an unusually cold
winter theory, previously proposed.



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[LUTE] bagpipes - believe it or not this has relevance

[bill kilpatrick]

found the following on this wonderful site:

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Main_Page

"...Of course we do not mean that it has all the
intervals necessary to form scales in all those keys,
but that we find it playing tunes that are in one or
other of them." 4 Mr Ellis considers that the natural
scale of the chaunter of the bag-pipe corresponds most
nearly with the Arab scale of Zalzal, a celebrated
lutist who died C. A.D. Boo."

would just love to know what calendar corresponds to
"C. A.D. Boo" - maybe time will tell.

here's what they had on musical instruments in 1911:

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Category:Musical_instruments



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[LUTE] Re: VERY OFF TOPIC! (political?)

[bill kilpatrick]

i'm an american and an oud player and i resent like
hell the collective  blanket of guilt that arto is
attempting to cast over everyone else from the good
ol' usa with his (admittedly) very off topic post.

arto - finland sided with the nazis during the second
world war.  i know there were reasons for this and i
imagine (i hope!) that the vast majority of your
countrymen - even if they had wanted to - were
powerless to influence events.

but if the metaphorical chickens contained in your
posting below were to come home to roost, then ...

yes or no, arto: have you (the collective, finnish
"you") stopped being nazis?

the only place i have any real influence on this
planet is in the confines of my own vegetable garden
(to borrow a reference from voltaire) and arto ...
talented musician and generous contributor that you
are ... i would humbly and respectfully suggest that
you - and anyone else of a similar,
"fundamentalistist" persuasion - stop searching for
"great satan" in the united states of america and
start hoeing your own god-damned row.
  
--- Arto Wikla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Dear all,
> 
> it is going bad! Mr. Bush - the winner of the USA
> elections, the man 
> chosen by (nearly) half of the Amercians, has
> managed to produce a 
> civilian war in a country, where he sent his
> military. Tens if not 
> hundreds of people are killed EVERY day! Human
> beings like you or me.
> This is one the very rare cases of a superpover
> sending its military to 
> occupy a state after the second world war...
> 
> The guy and his country is bound to that mess for a
> long, LONG time. And 
> the same guy took care of taking the USA out of the
> so called "western 
> values" by his concentration camps and accepting the
> torture. Even in the 
> legistlation of the USA there seems to be something
> like "light 
> torture" nowadays... Horrible! 
> 
> To me the modern USA represents a new historical
> period of gettig out of
> the the times of the so called Enlightment, the time
> where human rights
> were taken seriously. And now we have come back to
> the Dark Ages again?
> Or?
> 
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[LUTE] Re: for bill kilpatrick

[bill kilpatrick]

.. keeps popping up:

http://hitchcock.tv/mov/trouble_with_harry/harry.html

--- Stuart LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>  ...separated at birth?
>  
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bates
> 
> 
> 
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> > RT
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[LUTE] Re: for bill kilpatrick

[bill kilpatrick]

well played - very delicate.  with him in the shadows
and you serenading in the soft light of an adjacent
street lamp ... how could she refuse.

that's microphone he's got ...

--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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[LUTE] Re: For ambitious lutenists - iTunes

[bill kilpatrick]

that is to say ... "consensus view" - sorry - ed.

--- bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> a worth contributor to the list contacted me
> privately
> to say that "feelings" is actually a braziian song
> called "dime" and takes on a different character
> when
> played in a "... HIP manner and placed in the 
> context
> of Jobim and Charlie  Byrd."
> 
> couldn't agree more with him about the latter but
> not
> so sure about the stringency of HIP.  taken as one
> of
> many influences it's wonderful but as an end in and
> of
> itself it's just plain dull (imho).  sting's success
> with his dowland recordings suggests that any artist
> who acknowledges HIP but not be burdened with it -
> takes something other than a concensus view of it -
> can bring new life to the material.   
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > All,
> > 
> >  With the possible exception of jazz,
> classical
> > music is confronted with a uniquely problematic
> > practice right now that prevents it from becoming
> a
> > successful commercial item: its made up of the
> same
> > _exact_ stuff over and over.  To use Pachelbel as
> an
> > example - outside of specialists, who knows any
> > other
> > piece of music by JP other than the infamous
> > "Variations Over a Ground Bass in D Major?"  Yet
> > there
> > is a whole body of work by this guy including
> organ
> > works, choral music, etc.  Why is it that we don't
> > hear more?  There are a number of complex issues
> > such
> > as audience expectations and promotional issues,
> but
> > the core responsibility lies with the fact that
> > performers themselves just don't play JP's other
> > stuff
> > very often.
> >  Look at pop music (I use it in a very broad
> > sense
> > of "not classical") on the other hand.  Covers
> exist
> > but most acts are always presenting _new_ music. 
> > (This music is, of course, not new stylistically -
> > it
> > consistently follows rather narrow formulae.)  If
> > our
> > genre is going to survive, classical musicians
> need
> > to
> > at least delve into some of the great unknown
> > repertoire out there more often.
> >  Discovering neglected gems was the operative
> > philosophy of the Early Music movement when it
> first
> > began, but now we too have largely ossified into
> > predictable patterns of the same pieces by the
> same
> > composers again and again.  Just look to see how
> > many
> > different recordings of Dowland are out there. 
> Now
> > look to see how many recordings of the music of,
> > say,
> > Buddy Holly, you'll find by people other than
> Buddy
> > Holly himself.  Undoubtedly you'll find folks
> > recording a Holly song here or there, but when its
> > done it is rather like an added spice that makes
> up
> > the meal of one's career built on other,
> previously
> > unheard, songs.
> > Yes, all of this concentration on a few items
> > was
> > at the urging of record companies who saw that it
> > was
> > easier to package, market, and sell classical
> albums
> > to the consumer if they were classified by
> > recognizable-name composers and "greatest hit"
> > repertoire.  That was in the past.  But now - look
> > at
> > the serious trouble that record companies are in
> > today
> > because of this narrow corporate mindset! 
> > Performers
> > need to lead the charge into other modes.
> > Here, I'm mainly talking about what already
> > exists
> > in the back-catalog.  I haven't even mentioned the
> > utterly unholy option of performers championing
> > newly
> > composed music.
> > 
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Ho!  Ho!
> > > 
> > > Here comes the voice of the big elitist:  the
> > worst
> > > possible thing  
> > > for classical music is for it to become
> > popularized.
> > >  In the world of  
> > > pop culture, to loosely paraphrase Oscar Wilde,
> > the
> > > only thing worse  
> > > for classical music than *not* being talked
> about
> > is
> > > for it to *be*  
> > > talked about.  ;-)
> > > 
> > > David R
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Jan 20, 2007,

[LUTE] Re: For ambitious lutenists - iTunes

[bill kilpatrick]

a worth contributor to the list contacted me privately
to say that "feelings" is actually a braziian song
called "dime" and takes on a different character when
played in a "... HIP manner and placed in the  context
of Jobim and Charlie  Byrd."

couldn't agree more with him about the latter but not
so sure about the stringency of HIP.  taken as one of
many influences it's wonderful but as an end in and of
itself it's just plain dull (imho).  sting's success
with his dowland recordings suggests that any artist
who acknowledges HIP but not be burdened with it -
takes something other than a concensus view of it -
can bring new life to the material.   

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> All,
> 
>  With the possible exception of jazz, classical
> music is confronted with a uniquely problematic
> practice right now that prevents it from becoming a
> successful commercial item: its made up of the same
> _exact_ stuff over and over.  To use Pachelbel as an
> example - outside of specialists, who knows any
> other
> piece of music by JP other than the infamous
> "Variations Over a Ground Bass in D Major?"  Yet
> there
> is a whole body of work by this guy including organ
> works, choral music, etc.  Why is it that we don't
> hear more?  There are a number of complex issues
> such
> as audience expectations and promotional issues, but
> the core responsibility lies with the fact that
> performers themselves just don't play JP's other
> stuff
> very often.
>  Look at pop music (I use it in a very broad
> sense
> of "not classical") on the other hand.  Covers exist
> but most acts are always presenting _new_ music. 
> (This music is, of course, not new stylistically -
> it
> consistently follows rather narrow formulae.)  If
> our
> genre is going to survive, classical musicians need
> to
> at least delve into some of the great unknown
> repertoire out there more often.
>  Discovering neglected gems was the operative
> philosophy of the Early Music movement when it first
> began, but now we too have largely ossified into
> predictable patterns of the same pieces by the same
> composers again and again.  Just look to see how
> many
> different recordings of Dowland are out there.  Now
> look to see how many recordings of the music of,
> say,
> Buddy Holly, you'll find by people other than Buddy
> Holly himself.  Undoubtedly you'll find folks
> recording a Holly song here or there, but when its
> done it is rather like an added spice that makes up
> the meal of one's career built on other, previously
> unheard, songs.
> Yes, all of this concentration on a few items
> was
> at the urging of record companies who saw that it
> was
> easier to package, market, and sell classical albums
> to the consumer if they were classified by
> recognizable-name composers and "greatest hit"
> repertoire.  That was in the past.  But now - look
> at
> the serious trouble that record companies are in
> today
> because of this narrow corporate mindset! 
> Performers
> need to lead the charge into other modes.
> Here, I'm mainly talking about what already
> exists
> in the back-catalog.  I haven't even mentioned the
> utterly unholy option of performers championing
> newly
> composed music.
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> --- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Ho!  Ho!
> > 
> > Here comes the voice of the big elitist:  the
> worst
> > possible thing  
> > for classical music is for it to become
> popularized.
> >  In the world of  
> > pop culture, to loosely paraphrase Oscar Wilde,
> the
> > only thing worse  
> > for classical music than *not* being talked about
> is
> > for it to *be*  
> > talked about.  ;-)
> > 
> > David R
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:39 AM, EUGENE BRAIG IV
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  lushly lifeless interpretation of Pachelbel's
> > Canon directly into
> > >> their brains.
> > >
> > > With the Canon's new fame??
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To get on or off this list see list information
> at
> > >
> >
>
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> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.rastallmusic.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[LUTE] Re: For ambitious lutenists - iTunes

[bill kilpatrick]

--- EUGENE BRAIG IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ... lushly lifeless
> interpretation of Pachelbel's Canon directly into
> their brains.  Beware ye who gig weddings!

could be worse ...

"FEE-LINGS ... NOTHING MORE THAN FEE-LINGS! ..."

(whoa-a-whoa)




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[LUTE] Re: lute videos

[bill kilpatrick]

.. gedda'mac ... 

(smile sign) - bill

--- Tony Chalkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm replying to myself to ask a question.  In the
> words of Hagrid, "I 
> shouldna said tha' "
> 
> It looks great (all I did yesterday was look at
> what's on offer), but today 
> I tried to look at the videos and I can't actually
> see them.  They're on an 
> rtps server, and Windows tells me it can't read
> them.  There's some stuff 
> I'd really like to look at - can anyone out there
> tell me what I need to 
> install?
> 
> Please?
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tony Chalkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ; "magnus andersson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:49 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute videos
> 
> 
> > Not a lot of lute, but what an amazing resource! 
> Thanks
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
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> >
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[LUTE] paper on how vihuela became charango

[bill kilpatrick]

not one of your favorite topics - i know - but it's an
interesting paper and well researched ... besides,
it's been such a long time ... 

http://www.sibetrans.com/trans/trans8/baumann.htm

posted by martyn, here:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Charango/

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[LUTE] Re: Burns Night

[bill kilpatrick]

yes - "Scots Wha' Hae" ... and if you haven't already
contacted him (or her), ask one of the many pipers you
admire to join in.  it can be sung, dirge like - as
burns intended it - but carried on, up-tempo, into a
rather rousing, toe-tapping ditty.

- bill

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> encore for Soprano+lute at a
> Burns night Supper. ?
> thanks
> Charles
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[LUTE] ot in extremis

[bill kilpatrick]

anyone seen the news programs on aljazeera.english
yet?

it's a new day.  

- bill





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[LUTE] xmas goodies

[bill kilpatrick]

while i work out arto's wonderful xmas present on my
charango, i though you might like to try this for some
absolutely delicious holiday nosh:

walnuts - whole or half - tossed lightly in olive oil
with a sprinkling of salt, pepper and - wait for it! -
cinnamon! (secret ingredient ... ) toasted in medium
oven, shaken every so often and watched closely so
they don't burn.

buon natale a tutti - bill



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[LUTE] Re: lute sighting

[bill kilpatrick]

painful ...

eyemake-up was essential however.

--- Doc Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> this one leaves me speechless, but check out the
> right hand towards  
> the end.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56WO5ctL8E
> 
> Actually, I've been trying to find the videos of
> Hopkinson Smith  
> playing Bach.  Does anyone know where they are?
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Sting!

[bill kilpatrick]

just out of curiosity, does any negative, contemporary
criticism exist for the way dowland performed?  did
anyone record the comments of others or personally put
pen to paper, accusing him of arrogance or being a
poseur - piqued commentary borne of envy, perhaps?

- bill

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[LUTE] Re: Sting!

[bill kilpatrick]

i'm thinking of singing a few dowland songs myself -
probably with charango accompaniment.  who do i have
to check with?  haven't paid my dues - ever - but i'm
with the union!

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In einer eMail vom 23.11.2006 01:38:23
> Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
> 
> > If he ever
> > comes to Montreal to perform this stuff, I really
> hope the lutenists
> > around me are going to tell him what we think.
> > 
> 
> I wouldn't get so worked up about it. Everything of
> course you say is 
> probably true, but in the music buisness at the
> level that Sting works the truth is 
> not always the best way to sell records. I just
> wanted to offer you some comic 
> relief not dig that whole Sting thing up again, that
> is way over, on all 
> accounts.
> 
> A couple of days ago a German rock magazine
> published an article about my 
> ensemble pantagruel's new CD "Elizium". . The
> magazine sells about 50,000, so at 
> least a few younger listeners get an idea of what a
> HIP performance can be 
> about.
> 
> You can read an English translation here...
> 
>
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID"928060&;
>
blogID=196138740&MyToken=c848abc2-f8b7-4bd6-9c86-3797c3dde9fc
> 
> I expect the usual candidates will all get up about
> black nail varnish etc, 
> but all I can say to them is  I am still practising
> my 'watch me, because I'm 
> really good' thang:)
> 
> best wishes
> Mark
>   
> 
> 
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[LUTE] genuine, verifiable, historically informed performance

[bill kilpatrick]

the adam and eve music festival ... 

i invision a two-part program consisting of contented
(if aimless) humming followed by sighs of the ol'
ennui in the first half, leading to gasps of
consternation and gnashing of teeth in the second. 
identifiable tunes - snatches of, or in total - from
any period subsequent to this earliest of early
musical epochs will be severely frowned upon but
wailing - particularly towards the end of the
second-half of the program - will be given the HIP
nod.  while it's possible that HE put his hands
together, as he dusted them off on the evening of the
6th day, we can not be 100% certain that rhythmic
elements formed part of a & e's original repertoire. 
therefore, finger-popping, hand-clapping or any other
wildly uncorroborated, later-day, hand-jiving flights
of fancy must be viewed as decidedly un-HIP ...
whistlers will be expelled from the venue immediately.


costumes (wedding tackle - either/or) may vary and
while pukkah, primogenitor gear is preferred,
HIP-approved, latex/silicone re-enacter kits will be
available for a less-than-modest price from hank and
monique in the dupont courtesy tent.

no snakes.

documentation for this exclusively vocal period in
musical development is impressive - to say the least. 
while commentators in any of the subsequent musical
periods were restricted to only that which could be
experienced in, of, or by themselves, with adam and
eve we have  authorative, manifestly supreme, HIP from
HIM.

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[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question

[bill kilpatrick]

in days of old ... wasn't the majority of musical
knowledge passed from one to another in a "show me how
you did that ..." situation - where one person played
and another one copied?  tabs or notation - either/or
- was simply for those unfortunates without the prime
benefit of someone "better" to play with.
 
--- Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wouldn't a small advantage for the tabulature be
> that a specific  
> position for obtaining a note can be made explicit?
> The tone could be different according to the way it
> is acheived (e.g;  
> open strings or not), or am I completely mistaken,
> here?
> It is late and I might be becoming a little
> confused.
> Anthony
> Le 14 nov. 06 à 19:50, Are Vidar Boye Hansen a écrit
> :
> 
> > I hope Stewart will explain it himself!
> >
> >
> > Are
> >
> >> I'm a novice, which explains why I don't
> understand Mr. McCoy's  
> >> assertion.
> >> Can you explain it?
> >>
> >> On 11/14/06, Are Vidar Boye Hansen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  Well, if that's the case, why use tablature?
> Really. Is there  
>  any other
>  reason?
> >>>
> >>> I think Stewart McCoy claimed that tabulature is
> an excellent way of
> >>> notating polyphonic music for a plucked
> instrument.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, lutenists did play from score, just
> think of continuo  
> >>> playing.
> >>> I am certain that you will find that its not
> difficult to play  
> >>> from score
> >>> if you practice a little.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> mvh
> >>> Are
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[LUTE] Re: The Muscat Oud Festival - The Non-Pop Side of Arabic Music

[bill kilpatrick]

thank you mathais for that.  before "sky" replaced
whatever there was before it here in italy, we used to
be able to get tv stations from all over north africa
and the middle east - oman was always a treat for
ouds.  

ciao - bill 
  
--- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-310/_nr-356/i.html
> 
> -- 
> Best,
> 
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[LUTE] Re: cleaning

[bill kilpatrick]

seek purity of mind ...

--- Edward Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do I clean my mouth?
> 
> ed
> 
> At 05:48 PM 11/1/2006 -0500, Arthur Ness wrote:
> >Hi Bill,
> >
> >Kenneth claims enzymes break down the built-up
> dirt.  He
> >also says the mouth should be clean.
> >
> >ajn
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "bill kilpatrick"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:38 PM
> >Subject: [LUTE] Re: cleaning
> >
> >
> > > thank you arthur - perhaps "spit" is just a tad
> too
> > > cryptic.
> > >
> > > as i understand it, moisture of any sort is
> > > detrimental to wood IF it stays long enough to
> do any
> > > damage.  if you simply dab a piece of cotton
> cloth on
> > > your tongue and then rub it gently over the
> stain, it
> > > should be enough to remove it.
> > >
> > > --- Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> That suggestion usually shocks some people. 
> But it
> > >> was
> > >> from Kenneth Bé, a conservator at the Cleveland
> > >> Museum
> > >> of Fine Arts.  They actually use spit to clean
> the
> > >> grime
> > >> of centuries from paintings by the old masters.
>  So
> > >> he
> > >> uses spit also to clean his lutes.  But perhaps
> he
> > >> can
> > >> explain more.
> > >>
> > >> ==ajn
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: "Alan Barnosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > >> 
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:51 PM
> > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: cleaning
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Spit!
> > >> > - Original Message -
> > >> > From: "Alan Barnosky"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > To: 
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:15 PM
> > >> > Subject: [LUTE] cleaning
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>I am brand new to this list, if this question
> has
> > >> come
> > >> >> up before, I apoligize, but I don't know of
> a way
> > >> to
> > >> >> search old messages.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have a 8 course rennasiance lute - the
> > >> soundboard
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> only lightly finished.  I've had it for
> about 2
> > >> years
> > >> >> and where I have placed the pinky is really
> > >> dirty.
> > >> >> Anyone know how I should go about cleaning
> this?
> > >> >> Not exactly sure what the wood is.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks!
> > >> >> Alan
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > > 
> >
>

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[LUTE] Re: cleaning

[bill kilpatrick]

thank you arthur - perhaps "spit" is just a tad too
cryptic.

as i understand it, moisture of any sort is
detrimental to wood IF it stays long enough to do any
damage.  if you simply dab a piece of cotton cloth on
your tongue and then rub it gently over the stain, it
should be enough to remove it.
   
--- Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That suggestion usually shocks some people.  But it
> was 
> from Kenneth Bé, a conservator at the Cleveland
> Museum 
> of Fine Arts.  They actually use spit to clean the
> grime 
> of centuries from paintings by the old masters.  So
> he 
> uses spit also to clean his lutes.  But perhaps he
> can 
> explain more.
> 
> ==ajn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Alan Barnosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:51 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: cleaning
> 
> 
> > Spit!
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Alan Barnosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:15 PM
> > Subject: [LUTE] cleaning
> >
> >
> >>I am brand new to this list, if this question has
> come
> >> up before, I apoligize, but I don't know of a way
> to
> >> search old messages.
> >>
> >> I have a 8 course rennasiance lute - the
> soundboard 
> >> is
> >> only lightly finished.  I've had it for about 2
> years
> >> and where I have placed the pinky is really
> dirty.
> >> Anyone know how I should go about cleaning this?
> >> Not exactly sure what the wood is.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

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[LUTE] Re: A "normal" voyce ?

[bill kilpatrick]

"operatic tenors" to me sounds like he's making a
distinction between those who are trained to project
their voices with the aid of their diaphragm - a
brisk, penetrating, back-of-the-hall-reaching, royal
shakespeare company voice - as opposed to someone
speaking (singing) normally.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In einer eMail vom 24.10.2006 14:05:31
> Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
> 
> > Mark
> >   I would personally doubt whether some Irish folk
> singers are  
> > completely untrained. Perhaps it is not a
> scholarly training, but  
> > some (not of course the present singer) that I
> have heard make such  
> > extraordinary vocalizations I can't think this is
> just the result of  
> > a spontaneous breaking into song, as it were.
> > 
> 
> I totally agree, with what you are saying. It also
> totally destroys Stings 
> simplistic "normal voice" comments. Today I heard
> Sting say on radio that most 
> Dowland recordings were by operatic tenors. Maybe I
> am wrong, but when someone 
> says operatic tenor then I start thinking of Domingo
> etc. I don't think of a 
> singer such as Paul Agnew as an operatic tenor.
> 
> He is trying to give the illusion that there is the
> Sting style and then 
> Pavarotti sings Dowland I think there are a lot of
> performances betweeen these 
> extremes and even more extreme than Sting.
> 
> best wishes
> Mark
> 
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[LUTE] Re: A "normal" voyce ?

[bill kilpatrick]

shocking! ... someone aught to send round the
hip-constabulary and ruff (geddit?) her up.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> without opening all that Sting thing again, I found
> something that may be of 
> interest in the what is a normal voice discussion. 
> 
> Today Pantagruel got an add request on myspace from
> a folk singer who is 
> recording a CD of John Dowland songs.
> 
> Have a listen to her flow my tears at...
> 
> http://www.myspace.com/suzannesear-
> 
> Clearly infleunced by English folk singers, it is
> interesting to hear an 
> approach that is even less trained than Stings.
> 
> No judgement here, just wanted to share this with
> the list...
> 
> all the best 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Sting and his CD

[bill kilpatrick]

i bought it and i like it.  sting has made an enormous
gift to the early music community with these
recordings.  hipster listers may feel compelled to
kick its tires and gape in its mouth (shock of the
new, i guess) but when all's said, everybody's going
to win.

i even bought it while shopping for groceries - not
technically "in" the supermarket but in the little
music shop very close by.

via! - bill  

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[LUTE] Re: list of great performers

[bill kilpatrick]

.. and the great eduardo paniagua

--- Andreas Schlegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear all
> 
> I'm writing a book on the European lute for non
> specialists. It's one  
> with many colour photos of historic instruments, in
> two languages  
> (german - english).
> Now I'm looking for a list with famous lutenists of
> our days, because  
> I hope that a reader like also to hear the lute
> instruments. So the  
> goal of this list is to offer the internet search
> possibility for  
> easily available recordings - also in 10 years. The
> recordings should  
> be available in nearly all countries.
> 
> Please add your favorit who is not mentioned in my
> first list. Thank  
> you!
> 
> Anthony Bailes
> Robert Barto
> Paul Beier
> Timothy Burris
> Michel Cardin
> Björn Colell
> Michael Dücker
> Eduardo Egüez
> Pierre Gross
> Jan Grüter
> Oswald Hebermehl
> Joachim Held
> Yasunori Imamura
> Konrad Junghänel
> Lutz Kirchhof
> Jakob Lindberg
> Rolf Lislevand
> Viggo Mangor
> Evangelina Mascardi
> Ron McFarlane
> José Miguel Moreno
> Nigel North
> Paul O'Dette
> Toyohiko Satoh
> Miguel Sedura
> John Schneiderman
> Karl-Ernst Schröder
> Hopkinson Smith
> Terrell Stone
> Stephen Stubbs
> Crawford Young
> Yerzi Zak
> Christian Zimmermann
> 
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: list of great performers

[bill kilpatrick]

.. and the great eduardo paniagua

--- Andreas Schlegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear all
> 
> I'm writing a book on the European lute for non
> specialists. It's one  
> with many colour photos of historic instruments, in
> two languages  
> (german - english).
> Now I'm looking for a list with famous lutenists of
> our days, because  
> I hope that a reader like also to hear the lute
> instruments. So the  
> goal of this list is to offer the internet search
> possibility for  
> easily available recordings - also in 10 years. The
> recordings should  
> be available in nearly all countries.
> 
> Please add your favorit who is not mentioned in my
> first list. Thank  
> you!
> 
> Anthony Bailes
> Robert Barto
> Paul Beier
> Timothy Burris
> Michel Cardin
> Björn Colell
> Michael Dücker
> Eduardo Egüez
> Pierre Gross
> Jan Grüter
> Oswald Hebermehl
> Joachim Held
> Yasunori Imamura
> Konrad Junghänel
> Lutz Kirchhof
> Jakob Lindberg
> Rolf Lislevand
> Viggo Mangor
> Evangelina Mascardi
> Ron McFarlane
> José Miguel Moreno
> Nigel North
> Paul O'Dette
> Toyohiko Satoh
> Miguel Sedura
> John Schneiderman
> Karl-Ernst Schröder
> Hopkinson Smith
> Terrell Stone
> Stephen Stubbs
> Crawford Young
> Yerzi Zak
> Christian Zimmermann
> 
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: list of great performers

[bill kilpatrick]

luis delgado
marc loopuy
jorge milchberg

--- Andreas Schlegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear all
> 
> I'm writing a book on the European lute for non
> specialists. It's one  
> with many colour photos of historic instruments, in
> two languages  
> (german - english).
> Now I'm looking for a list with famous lutenists of
> our days, because  
> I hope that a reader like also to hear the lute
> instruments. So the  
> goal of this list is to offer the internet search
> possibility for  
> easily available recordings - also in 10 years. The
> recordings should  
> be available in nearly all countries.
> 
> Please add your favorit who is not mentioned in my
> first list. Thank  
> you!
> 
> Anthony Bailes
> Robert Barto
> Paul Beier
> Timothy Burris
> Michel Cardin
> Björn Colell
> Michael Dücker
> Eduardo Egüez
> Pierre Gross
> Jan Grüter
> Oswald Hebermehl
> Joachim Held
> Yasunori Imamura
> Konrad Junghänel
> Lutz Kirchhof
> Jakob Lindberg
> Rolf Lislevand
> Viggo Mangor
> Evangelina Mascardi
> Ron McFarlane
> José Miguel Moreno
> Nigel North
> Paul O'Dette
> Toyohiko Satoh
> Miguel Sedura
> John Schneiderman
> Karl-Ernst Schröder
> Hopkinson Smith
> Terrell Stone
> Stephen Stubbs
> Crawford Young
> Yerzi Zak
> Christian Zimmermann
> 
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] sting gossip

[bill kilpatrick]

background information - not vitriol. 

the following was posted to the rec.music.early site
by francis biggi in response to a negative comment,
belittleing karamazov's playing and lamenting sting's
financial gain from the recordings:

" ... Edin is not a 3d class player. just think of his
work with Andreas Scholl or Hesperion. 
After all, why not Edin? The man knows his place. He
is an excellent "accompagnatore:" very versatile. 
Could you imagine Paul O'Dette 
accompanying another star, AND staying in the
background?  And, after all, Sting lives in Europe,
spending most of his time in Italy: so why not
Hopkinson, Eugène Ferré or one of the good Italian
players, like Damiani, Marincola, or Pavan? The
connection between Sting and Edin was made, i presume,
by Richard Levitt who taught Sting how to deal with
Elizabethan songs.  Levitt lives in Basel and Edin was
one of the students at the Schola Cantorum and was
close to Richard in his last teaching years (I was
there too.)"

olè - bill

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[LUTE] sig. sumner and dowland

[bill kilpatrick]

publicity for sting's dowland recordings just kicked
into gear here in italy.

italian announcers are going to have an awful time
pronouncing "th" in "labyrnth" - a deep, gutsy,
testosterone enriched italian voice touting eric
clapton's "from the cradle" cd made it "from the
craddle." 

those of you who have a dowland program already
prepared are going to be very busy ... and i dare say
that very soon we shall all be singing his (sting's)
praises, all the way to the bank.

olè - bill

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[LUTE] Re: O Sting, where is thy death?

[bill kilpatrick]

thanks david -

"la rossignol" was a treat as well but i had to put
"sting dowland" in the you tube search engine to
up-load them both.

in all the kerfluffle over this recording i don't
remember seeing the names of the luthiers who made
their instruments.  anyone know?  both look and sound
beautiful but i wish the rose in karamazov's lute
didn't remind me a little of one of those circular
"visitors from outer space" type designs they find
sometimes in kansas corn fields.

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> For those who still haven't had the pleasure: 
> www.youtube.com/watch? 
> v=jNzK28eCdc8
> 
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[LUTE] Re: There is thy Sting

[bill kilpatrick]

saw a program about noise on the bbc, featuring the
rock band "status quo."  i can't remember at what
decibel level endorphins kick-in but it was discovered
that amplified music just before that level became
much more "pleasureable" to the those listening when
the volume was cranked up to reach it.

i would suggest that singing dowland's songs in a
non-stagey tone of voice to a room filled with
attentive listeners and having it amplified -
incidently, as it were - is much different than
belting it out into a microphone to get a stadium
crowded with screaming kids leaping out of their
seats.

i wonder what you (plural) would say if sting called
to ask you to play on his follow-up campion album?

olè - bill
 
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> Hi Roman,
> 
> I understand you are frustrated.
> 
> But listen playing with amplification is just a way
> to hide the weakness of 
> Stings voice. Admit it.
> 
> It was amusing seeing you get so worked up.
> 
> I think you are even going to get more worked up in
> the near future.
> I'd would watch your blood pressure.
> 
> best wishes
> Mark
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[LUTE] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

[bill kilpatrick]

you're absolutely right ... i was looking at my 5c.
charango, thinking 4 string uke.

have you tried paraphrasing the lyrics?  i've taken a
rather stilted translation of an 8th cent. arab ditty
and come up with this:

one hour with you
will last a lìfetime 
although i live to be
old as old noah.

looses something in print alone but works ok as an
olde worlde warble.

ciao - bill

--- Doctor Oakroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeah, I understand how you're getting e on the 7th
> fret of the 1st
> string... but on the 4th string:
> 
> open - g
> 1st - g#
> 2 - a
> 3 - a#
> 4 - b (not e)
> ..
> 9 - e
> 
> I've tried doing melancholy ren songs as blues and
> haven't gotten it to
> work yet, lol.
> 
> > doc -
> >
> > i get "e" on the 7th fret by counting cosi:
> >
> > open - a
> > 1st - a#
> > 2nd -b
> > 3rd -c
> > 4th - c#
> > 5th - d
> > 6th - d#
> > 7th - e
> >
> > given the ruckus caused by sting and his dowland
> > recordings and the decidedly "woe is me" content
> of
> > his (dowland's) tunes, how about a
> > carolina/baroque/piedmont-ie/blues-type rendition
> of
> > same?
> >
> > "woahahwoahcomeheavysleep!" da-dada-dah ...
> >
> > olè - bill
> >
> > --- Doctor Oakroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> How are you tuning your uke? On my (standard) uke
> >> (g-c-e-a), that e is on
> >> the 9th fret of the 4th string.
> >>
> >> > "the star spangled banner," for example, played
> on
> >> a
> >> > ukulele (g-c-e-a) - starting with "g" (2nd
> string,
> >> 3rd
> >> > fret) leaves you with the option of climbing up
> >> the
> >> > neck to "e" (1st string, 7th fret) to reach
> "...
> >> by
> >> > the dawn's early light" or switching to the 4th
> >> > string, 4th fret for the same.  my point was
> that
> >> the
> >> > former - imho - leaves you up there with the
> >> > "tinky-tinks" while the latter has more
> vibrating
> >> > length and a fuller sound.
> >> >
> >> > re-entrant tuning with bourdon is something of
> a
> >> plus
> >> > and the charango's 5th course is just icing on
> the
> >> > cake.
> >> >
> >> > - bill
> >> >
> >> > --- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Oct 13, 2006, at 10:00 AM, bill kilpatrick
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > ...my own take on re-entrant tuning is:
> >> >> > ...you can pursue the high reaches of
> >> >> > the melody without climbing up the neck
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't follow you.  Doesn't it work the other
> >> way?
> >> >> The highest
> >> >> pitched string in re-entrant tuning would be
> >> either
> >> >> the second or the
> >> >> third string.  If you wanted to get above that
> >> >> pitch, into the higher
> >> >> reaches, you would have to move up the neck to
> do
> >> >> so.
> >> >>
> >> >> David R
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> www.rastallmusic.com
> >> >>
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