[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-17 Thread Gernot Hilger
He already did so, only in Croatian.

See http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sprite/mhifoe.html


Zitat von Peter Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Next you'll be telling us it's full of eels, I suppose...

 P

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  Hovercraft :)
 
 
 
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  what's lebdjelica  ??



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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread David Tayler

Daniel,
Don't retire before your production of
Litho Terpsichore

I live for the stone scene.
dt



At 05:09 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:
That's twice now my name has appeared in the same sentence as Barto
and O'Dette. Time to frame the post and retire, I've accomplished all
I could hope for in the lute world!!



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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread igor .
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:16 AM, David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote:



 If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to
 spell proper English.  ;-)


   # i know David , but i fear i never will ! I am Serbian living in
Kroatia ,
   so forgive me if you can.Also,i don't play Lute,  i am an amateur
Cellist with almost every single Lute album up to date (even having rare
Hans Neeman Berlin broadcast recordings) in my discotheque. But i promise to
learn to spell proper English once David Tayler learn to spell proper 
affekte,rhetorique,musical ideas and dynamic  on his single-strung
arch-lute in Cello Prelude by Bach.
Or, if O'Dette does Complete Dowland again but caring not to play again all
dances and fantasies so uninformed . I am sure you have heard that Alman
differs from Corranto or Fantaisie in so many things. #


 I wsn't talking about their racial diversity, or their tempi.  I was
 referring to the variety of playing styles they represent.


wow, that's true :variety is the key word ! Shoskes is really
somewhere else than Bartoso is my beloved Valery so far from O'dette.
   btw: will you translate word  wsn't   to me please ?


 David R
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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread David Tayler
Ma zezash me.
Moja je lebdjelica puna jegulja :)
You can correct my spelling anytime, I don't mind!
Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe 
it or not.
dt



  But i promise to
learn to spell proper English once David Tayler learn to spell proper 
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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread igor .
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From: igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray
To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]




 Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe
 it or not


  here we go David : it is clear that  affect,rhetoric etc  are
just  WORDS for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every
intelligent music lover can see that.  in the end : music is an art for
everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move
from zero point where  you are right now.
it may make you look happier while performing.

p.s.
what's lebdjelica  ??






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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread gary digman
...believe it or not...? Shouldn't it be, ...believe it or don't..?

Sister Mary Diesel (ruler in hand).

PS: I'm not quite sure why this thread is becoming so acrimonious.

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 Ma zezash me.
 Moja je lebdjelica puna jegulja :)
 You can correct my spelling anytime, I don't mind!
 Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe
 it or not.
 dt



   But i promise to
 learn to spell proper English once David Tayler learn to spell proper 
 affekte,rhetorique,musical ideas and dynamic 



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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread igor .
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From: igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray
To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]




 Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe
 it or not


  here we go David : it is clear that  affect,rhetoric etc  are
just  WORDS for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every
intelligent music lover can see that.  in the end : music is an art for
everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move
from zero point where  you are right now.
it may make you look happier while performing.

p.s.
what's lebdjelica  ??






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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread Andreas Schlegel

There is no historical evidence for Swiss as a
lutenist


Wrong!

Hans Jacob Wecker's duet book, printed in Basel 1552; Rodolf  
Wyssenbach's print of Zürich; the not surviving print of Wydenhuober  
(cited in Gesner's bibliograyphy) and the whole manuscript collection  
around the university of Basel... (including Samedan) Theer exist  
also other interesting sources like the Bern ms. with French music in  
accords nouveaux, written by a Swiss soldier in Paris).


By the way: I made once (around 1990) a CD with the title Schweizer  
Lautenmusik - Lautenmusik aus Schweizer Handschriften for the Swiss  
radio.


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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread Orphenica

   May be we should create another list, suggest: the inpolite lute list or
   simple the insult list,
   exclusively reserved to people bashing comments. That would it make much
   easier for those to
   follow who are interested in more lute related discussions. ;-)
   we
   igor . schrieb:

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Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM
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To: David Tayler [2][EMAIL PROTECTED]






Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe


it or not



  here we go David : it is clear that  affect,rhetoric etc  are
just  WORDS for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every
intelligent music lover can see that.  in the end : music is an art for
everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move
from zero point where  you are right now.
it may make you look happier while performing.

p.s.
what's lebdjelica  ??







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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread vance wood
On the base of it I would agree, but I find the delete button works as well 
when a posting subject  starts, then deteriorates to the point that I have 
no interest in it.  Occasionally I will look in, as I did here, and thus my 
comment.  Flame wars do nothing to advance our understanding of a subject, 
just color and diminish our opinion/opinions of those involved.
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  May be we should create another list, suggest: the inpolite lute list or
  simple the insult list,
  exclusively reserved to people bashing comments. That would it make much
  easier for those to
  follow who are interested in more lute related discussions. ;-)
  we
  igor . schrieb:

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To: David Tayler [2][EMAIL PROTECTED]






Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe


it or not



 here we go David : it is clear that  affect,rhetoric etc  are
just  WORDS for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every
intelligent music lover can see that.  in the end : music is an art for
everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to 
move

from zero point where  you are right now.
it may make you look happier while performing.

p.s.
what's lebdjelica  ??







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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-16 Thread David Tayler
Hovercraft :)


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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Mathias Rösel
Daniel F Heiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 Antoine Forqueray La Couperin on viol + archlute.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/v/Av20FgeJIokhl
 
 Passionate playing.  Looks like it may be copyrighted material, so catch
 it quick before it disappears.

Thank you so much. I'd love to save movies like this, but alas... no
such possibilty. Luca Pianco e Vittorio Ghielmi are matching partners,
indeed, and I love their passionately playing together.
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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
uurgghhh : N A I L S !
nur barto soll die laute spilelen
valery co auch

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Tayler
Very ineresting performance
I think I would choose the theorbo over the archlute because of the 
desire to keep the accompaniment a bit lower.
Also there are an awful lot of doublings of the harmony. I can't see 
doing that.

But mainly, if I played this on the archlute, I would play the whole 
piece, as a lute solo.
Why not?

There is  evidence for single strings historicallly, just not guitarry strings.
And of course double strings were much more common.
dt

  sinAt 10:09 AM 3/15/2008, you wrote:
igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
  uurgghhh : N A I L S !

Well, yes, and single strings, too. No HIP evidence for that, and I
wouldn't do it that way myself, but what the heck. What counts IMO is
the musical output.

Oh, and it's Luca Pianca (my fault, sorry). Seems to be taken from their
programme Bagpipes from Hell.

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
 Very ineresting performance
 I think I would choose the theorbo over the archlute because of the
 desire to keep the accompaniment a bit lower.
 Also there are an awful lot of doublings of the harmony. I can't see
 doing that.

 But mainly, if I played this on the archlute, I would play the whole
 piece, as a lute solo.

Great idea! Maybe I will do that myself...

 There is  evidence for single strings historicallly,

What are the sources for single archlute strings? To me, an archlute just 
sounds dead without double strings...


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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Shaun Ng
Anyone else notice how the continuo part sounds redundant at times as the
viol is almost always playing it's own accompaniment? The archlute is rarely
playing the bass either. Yes, theorbo would have been nicer. Historically
more accurate and would definitely sound better.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Daniel F Heiman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Antoine Forqueray La Couperin on viol + archlute.

 http://www.youtube.com/v/Av20FgeJIokhl

 Passionate playing.  Looks like it may be copyrighted material, so catch
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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Tayler

I think this is a great video to look at to study continuo.
Because the lute often is doubling the leading tones and other notes, 
you can see and develop a hearing sense for this sound, then you can 
decide if you like it.
I want to make it clear that this is not a criticism, it just is 
unusual and I'm sure an artistic choice, like doubling the parts in 
Dowland's Lachrimae.
Then you can decide when playing figures if these are figures to 
play, or figures not to play--not double. Warning figures, or figures 
just fyi.
Also there are some figures in the bass that are not in the viol 
part, you can listen and see if the missing harmonies are filled in 
by either the lute or the viol, it is a
good challenge. You can also compare it to the harpsichord solo 
version if making a solo lute arrangement.

The youtube synch problems have been fixed, I believe, I think the 
problem is on the other end.
If you use the H264 codec you should not have synch problems.
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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
i agree !
please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do
better and historically more accurate.

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread wikla

On 3/15/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i agree !
 please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do
 better and historically more accurate.

I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay:

1) show to the italians you can do better: To me this sounds
nationalistic, there is a sound of  ethnic cleansing.
2) historically more accurate: Sounds to me as authenticity - as
used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later...

I totally agree with David T's comments on the mistakes and better
alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's early music
(nearly) facism(?).

All the best,

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Tayler
I'm not saying there are mistakes, I think it is interesting on a 
number of levels, these are good players, so they are making artistic choices.
I think it is totally OK to learn from the video, beacause it raises 
such interesting issues.
I'm going to recommend it as a continuo study, and of course everyone 
should have their own interpretation.
Some might find the theorbo too muddy with the low notes of the viol, 
for example, and prefer the higher sound of the archlute.
And two viols is a nice instrumentation.

One thing the players do really well, is they don't slow down at the hard bits!

dt


At 02:30 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:

On 3/15/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i agree !
  please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do
  better and historically more accurate.

I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay:

1) show to the italians you can do better: To me this sounds
nationalistic, there is a sound of  ethnic cleansing.
2) historically more accurate: Sounds to me as authenticity - as
used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later...

I totally agree with David T's comments on the mistakes and better
alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's early music
(nearly) facism(?).

All the best,

Arto



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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ?
Except  for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog !
One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way !
Barto, Valery ,  O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails
watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the italians

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
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To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ?
Except  for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog !
One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way !
Barto, Valery ,  O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails
watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the italians

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Shaun Ng
Let's not read too deep into Igor's comments. I think this was directed to
me, at my audacity in suggesting that I may know better. While I am well
capable of performing Forqueray, I think to record a version of my
own online with the sole purpose to prove that I can interpret Forqueray
better is a bit too much effort!

The current early music movement has created itself certain national styles,
which I think many of us can detect. I think Igor statement is a very casual
one.

There are certain things that are make our musical decisions
more historically accurate. While the interpretation of the information we
have from the past can change, the facts cannot. The viol community of late
17th/early 18th century was dominated by a group viol/lute/theorbo/guitar
players that we have enough information about to make pretty OK guesses when
it comes to instrumentation. I'm sure that many will agree that an archlute
is not the best instrument to use to accompany these works.

From the duo's decision, we can safely conclude that these historical
issues didn't really matter to them. That's fine by me. But I think some of
us would like to know the music would change if the choice of continuo
instrument was different.

David: While you might find the theorbo too muddy on the low notes of the
viol, the aesthetic of the day points towards low, low, low! Two viols would
be even more redundant. The solo viol part doubles the bass line more than
half the time.

I hope we are all free criticize on this list!

Shaun

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 3/15/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i agree !
  please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do
  better and historically more accurate.

 I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay:

 1) show to the italians you can do better: To me this sounds
 nationalistic, there is a sound of  ethnic cleansing.
 2) historically more accurate: Sounds to me as authenticity - as
 used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later...

 I totally agree with David T's comments on the mistakes and better
 alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's early music
 (nearly) facism(?).

 All the best,

 Arto


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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Tayler
In my group we often play french music at A=370. 370 is a good pitch 
for french music, higher than 340 anyway.  392 is the max., and at 
this pitch muddiness can creep in.
Another way to look at it is the strange situation that the 465 
theorbo the top string (the second course) is is 349 HZ
and at 392 the top string of the archlute is 349 hz.
Hey so they really are the same!
Unless my math is wrong
Also with two viols the other viol supplies the missing figures, 
making more of a duet.

BTW, many of the Forqueray pieces sound great on the Theorbo
Single reentrant in G tune the F to E
Tune the seventh course Fretted to D

Viola!
400 more solo pieces!

dt



David: While you might find the theorbo too muddy on the low notes of the
viol, the aesthetic of the day points towards low, low, low! Two viols would
be even more redundant. The solo viol part doubles the bass line more than
half the time.

I hope we are all free criticize on this list!

Shaun

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  On 3/15/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   i agree !
   please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do
   better and historically more accurate.
 
  I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay:
 
  1) show to the italians you can do better: To me this sounds
  nationalistic, there is a sound of  ethnic cleansing.
  2) historically more accurate: Sounds to me as authenticity - as
  used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later...
 
  I totally agree with David T's comments on the mistakes and better
  alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's early music
  (nearly) facism(?).
 
  All the best,
 
  Arto
 

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread wikla

On 3/16/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ?
 Except  for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog !
 One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way !
 Barto, Valery ,  O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails
 watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the italians

Thanks Igor! I am really in a good company there!  :-)  Thanks really!
And really no nails.

But what do you think of our Banchieri:
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7054543506483973843hl=en

In this project I had strung my archlute by single strings. Now it has
double courses. To me there are only practical differences between the
two, no no other ways. I do not feel like cheating... What works is
best?

And what is your comment of me using only the synthetic string
materials? Nylgut, carbon, even nylon and even sometimes old Pyramid
wounds? Shouldn't it be only guts?

All the best,

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
 Banchieri is fail because your continuo sounds much alla Mauro Giuliani.

 that's what i think Arto.

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread wikla

On 3/16/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Banchieri is fail because your continuo sounds much alla Mauro Giuliani.
 
  that's what i think Arto.

And what is your comment of me using only the synthetic string
materials? Nylgut, carbon, even nylon and even sometimes old Pyramid
wounds? Shouldn't it be only guts? And what type and kind of gut on each
course? There really are lots of alternatives...

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
Well, apart from your Giuliani  style continuo, i can see you distaste for
good, quality instruments : so , any stringing you use fits your poor
technique and bad instruments you play.

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread wikla

On 3/16/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, apart from your Giuliani  style continuo, i can see you distaste for
 good, quality instruments : so , any stringing you use fits your poor
 technique and bad instruments you play.

Well, tell that to Stephen Barber...  :-)

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 15, 2008, at 6:01 PM, igor . wrote:

 They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ?
 Except  for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog !

That's a bit strong isn't it?  Enough to discourage anyone from  
wanting to share his/her music with the rest of the lute world.

 One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way !

Does that include theorbo?

 Barto, Valery ,  O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails

Interesting mix of names...

 watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the  
 italians

Isn't there historical evidence that some Italian lutenists played  
with nails?

David Rastall
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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread igor .
thanks Diego !
Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss as a
lutenist
David don't be rasist : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes together ,
why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives
we all also know that theorbo was double strung.
we also know that Weiss used fingernails

p.s.
valery ( and that big italian women ) are  still my favorite

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Sean Smith



On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:58 PM, igor . wrote:


thanks Diego !
Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss as 
a

lutenist


Ha! No historical evidence that Americans played ren lute either. Let's 
not start any Paul is dead rumors, ok?


Sean



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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Daniel Shoskes
That's twice now my name has appeared in the same sentence as Barto  
and O'Dette. Time to frame the post and retire, I've accomplished all  
I could hope for in the lute world!!


On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote:


thanks Diego !
Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss  
as a

lutenist
David don't be rasist : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes  
together ,

why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives
we all also know that theorbo was double strung.
we also know that Weiss used fingernails

p.s.
valery ( and that big italian women ) are  still my favorite

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Edward Martin
Congratulations, Danny!

ed


At 08:09 PM 3/15/2008 -0400, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
That's twice now my name has appeared in the same sentence as Barto
and O'Dette. Time to frame the post and retire, I've accomplished all
I could hope for in the lute world!!

On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote:

thanks Diego !
Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss
as a
lutenist
David don't be rasist : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes
together ,
why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives
we all also know that theorbo was double strung.
we also know that Weiss used fingernails

p.s.
valery ( and that big italian women ) are  still my favorite

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote:

 David don't be rasist

If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to  
spell proper English.  ;-)

 : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes together ,
 why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives

I wsn't talking about their racial diversity, or their tempi.  I was  
referring to the variety of playing styles they represent.

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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread Roman Turovsky

On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote:


David don't be rasist


If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to  
spell proper English.  ;-)

Michael Thames never could, and never will.
RT


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[LUTE] Re: Forqueray

2008-03-15 Thread David Rastall
On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:

 On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote:
 David don't be rasist
 If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn  
 to  spell proper English.  ;-)
 Michael Thames never could, and never will.
 RT

Roman,

Michael Thames???  Roman, this is turning into a very bizarre  
conversation, but what on Earth has Michael Thames got to do with it?

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