[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
He already did so, only in Croatian. See http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sprite/mhifoe.html Zitat von Peter Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Next you'll be telling us it's full of eels, I suppose... > > P > > On 16/03/2008, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hovercraft :) > > > > > > > > >p.s. > > >what's "lebdjelica " ?? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Hovercraft :) >p.s. >what's "lebdjelica " ?? > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On the base of it I would agree, but I find the delete button works as well when a posting subject starts, then deteriorates to the point that I have no interest in it. Occasionally I will look in, as I did here, and thus my comment. Flame wars do nothing to advance our understanding of a subject, just color and diminish our opinion/opinions of those involved. - Original Message - From: "Orphenica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute-cs. dartmouth. edu" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray May be we should create another list, suggest: the inpolite lute list or simple the insult list, exclusively reserved to people bashing comments. That would it make much easier for those to follow who are interested in more lute related discussions. ;-) we igor . schrieb: -- Forwarded message -- From: igor . [1]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray To: David Tayler [2]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe it or not< here we go David : it is clear that " affect,rhetoric etc " are just " WORDS" for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every intelligent music lover can see that. in the end : music is an art for everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move from zero point where you are right now. it may make you look happier while performing. p.s. what's "lebdjelica " ?? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
May be we should create another list, suggest: the inpolite lute list or simple the insult list, exclusively reserved to people bashing comments. That would it make much easier for those to follow who are interested in more lute related discussions. ;-) we igor . schrieb: -- Forwarded message -- From: igor . [1]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray To: David Tayler [2]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe it or not< here we go David : it is clear that " affect,rhetoric etc " are just " WORDS" for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every intelligent music lover can see that. in the end : music is an art for everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move from zero point where you are right now. it may make you look happier while performing. p.s. what's "lebdjelica " ?? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
There is no historical evidence for Swiss as a lutenist Wrong! Hans Jacob Wecker's duet book, printed in Basel 1552; Rodolf Wyssenbach's print of Zürich; the not surviving print of Wydenhuober (cited in Gesner's bibliograyphy) and the whole manuscript collection around the university of Basel... (including Samedan) Theer exist also other interesting sources like the Bern ms. with French music in accords nouveaux, written by a Swiss soldier in Paris). By the way: I made once (around 1990) a CD with the title "Schweizer Lautenmusik - Lautenmusik aus Schweizer Handschriften" for the Swiss radio. Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Roman Turovsky wrote: On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: David don't be rasist If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to spell proper English. ;-) Michael Thames never could, and never will. RT Possibly...or do you know more? I remember his last visit. Perhaps it's in the archives somewhere. (On his website or somewhere I heard Michael Thames playing Weiss on a ten-string guitar. It sounded very accomplished.) == http://polyhymnion.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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"...believe it or not..."? Shouldn't it be, "...believe it or don't.."? Sister Mary Diesel (ruler in hand). PS: I'm not quite sure why this thread is becoming so acrimonious. - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray > Ma zezash me. > Moja je lebdjelica puna jegulja :) > You can correct my spelling anytime, I don't mind! > Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe > it or not. > dt > > > > But i promise to > >learn to spell proper English once David Tayler learn to spell proper " > >affekte,rhetorique,musical ideas and dynamic " > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM > >
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-- Forwarded message -- From: igor . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray To: David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe > it or not< here we go David : it is clear that " affect,rhetoric etc " are just " WORDS" for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every intelligent music lover can see that. in the end : music is an art for everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move from zero point where you are right now. it may make you look happier while performing. p.s. what's "lebdjelica " ?? > > > > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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-- Forwarded message -- From: igor . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray To: David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe > it or not< here we go David : it is clear that " affect,rhetoric etc " are just " WORDS" for you ! i mean , listening to your youtube clips every intelligent music lover can see that. in the end : music is an art for everyone to share , including you ( me, as well ) but, at least try to move from zero point where you are right now. it may make you look happier while performing. p.s. what's "lebdjelica " ?? > > > > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Ma zezash me. Moja je lebdjelica puna jegulja :) You can correct my spelling anytime, I don't mind! Some of these words like affect, rhetoric are actually right, believe it or not. dt But i promise to >learn to spell proper English once David Tayler learn to spell proper " >affekte,rhetorique,musical ideas and dynamic " To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:16 AM, David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: > > > > If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to > spell proper English. ;-) > # i know David , but i fear i never will ! I am Serbian living in Kroatia , so forgive me if you can.Also,i don't play Lute, i am an amateur Cellist with almost every single Lute album up to date (even having rare Hans Neeman Berlin broadcast recordings) in my discotheque. But i promise to learn to spell proper English once David Tayler learn to spell proper " affekte,rhetorique,musical ideas and dynamic " on his single-strung arch-lute in Cello Prelude by Bach. Or, if O'Dette does Complete Dowland again but caring not to play again all dances and fantasies so uninformed . I am sure you have heard that Alman differs from Corranto or Fantaisie in so many things. # > > >I wsn't talking about their racial diversity, or their tempi. I was > referring to the variety of playing styles they represent.< > wow, that's true :variety is the key word ! Shoskes is really somewhere else than Bartoso is my beloved Valery so far from O'dette. btw: will you translate word " wsn't " to me please ? > > David R > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Daniel, Don't retire before your production of "Litho Terpsichore" I live for the stone scene. dt At 05:09 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: >That's twice now my name has appeared in the same sentence as Barto >and O'Dette. Time to frame the post and retire, I've accomplished all >I could hope for in the lute world!! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: >>> David don't be rasist >> If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn >> to spell proper English. ;-) > Michael Thames never could, and never will. > RT Roman, Michael Thames??? Roman, this is turning into a very bizarre conversation, but what on Earth has Michael Thames got to do with it? DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: David don't be rasist If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to spell proper English. ;-) Michael Thames never could, and never will. RT == http://polyhymnion.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: > David don't be rasist If you're going to accuse me of being racist, Igor, at least learn to spell proper English. ;-) > : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes together , > why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives I wsn't talking about their racial diversity, or their tempi. I was referring to the variety of playing styles they represent. David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Congratulations, Danny! ed At 08:09 PM 3/15/2008 -0400, Daniel Shoskes wrote: >That's twice now my name has appeared in the same sentence as Barto >and O'Dette. Time to frame the post and retire, I've accomplished all >I could hope for in the lute world!! > >On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: > >>thanks Diego ! >>Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss >>as a >>lutenist >>David don't be rasist : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes >>together , >>why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives >>we all also know that theorbo was double strung. >>we also know that Weiss used fingernails >> >>p.s. >>valery ( and that big italian women ) are still my favorite >> >>-- >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release >Date: 3/14/2008 12:33 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
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That's twice now my name has appeared in the same sentence as Barto and O'Dette. Time to frame the post and retire, I've accomplished all I could hope for in the lute world!! On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM, igor . wrote: thanks Diego ! Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss as a lutenist David don't be rasist : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes together , why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives we all also know that theorbo was double strung. we also know that Weiss used fingernails p.s. valery ( and that big italian women ) are still my favorite -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:58 PM, igor . wrote: thanks Diego ! Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss as a lutenist Ha! No historical evidence that Americans played ren lute either. Let's not start any "Paul is dead" rumors, ok? Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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thanks Diego ! Pianca is now dead for me.There is no historical evidence for Swiss as a lutenist David don't be rasist : Schall and Barto or O'dette ans Shoskes together , why not ? they all play tempo moderato and mezzo piano all their lives we all also know that theorbo was double strung. we also know that Weiss used fingernails p.s. valery ( and that big italian women ) are still my favorite -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Mar 15, 2008, at 6:01 PM, igor . wrote: > They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ? > Except for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog ! That's a bit strong isn't it? Enough to discourage anyone from wanting to share his/her music with the rest of the lute world. > One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way ! Does that include theorbo? > Barto, Valery , O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails Interesting mix of names... > watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the > "italians" Isn't there historical evidence that some Italian lutenists played with nails? David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 3/16/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, apart from your "Giuliani " style continuo, i can see you distaste for > good, quality instruments : so , any stringing you use fits your poor > technique and bad instruments you play. Well, tell that to Stephen Barber... :-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Well, apart from your "Giuliani " style continuo, i can see you distaste for good, quality instruments : so , any stringing you use fits your poor technique and bad instruments you play. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 3/16/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Banchieri is fail because your continuo sounds much "alla Mauro Giuliani". > > that's what i think Arto. And what is your comment of me using only the "synthetic" string materials? Nylgut, "carbon", even nylon and even sometimes old Pyramid wounds? Shouldn't it be only guts? And what type and kind of gut on each course? There really are lots of alternatives... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Banchieri is fail because your continuo sounds much "alla Mauro Giuliani". that's what i think Arto. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 3/16/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ? > Except for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog ! > One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way ! > Barto, Valery , O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails > watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the "italians" Thanks Igor! I am really in a good company there! :-) Thanks really! And really no nails. But what do you think of our Banchieri: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7054543506483973843&hl=en In this project I had strung my archlute by single strings. Now it has double courses. To me there are only practical differences between the two, no "no other ways". I do not feel like cheating... What works is best? And what is your comment of me using only the "synthetic" string materials? Nylgut, "carbon", even nylon and even sometimes old Pyramid wounds? Shouldn't it be only guts? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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In my group we often play french music at A=370. 370 is a good pitch for french music, higher than 340 anyway. 392 is the max., and at this pitch muddiness can creep in. Another way to look at it is the strange situation that the 465 theorbo the top string (the second course) is is 349 HZ and at 392 the top string of the archlute is 349 hz. Hey so they really are the same! Unless my math is wrong Also with two viols the other viol supplies the missing figures, making more of a duet. BTW, many of the Forqueray pieces sound great on the Theorbo Single reentrant in G tune the F to E Tune the seventh course Fretted to D Viola! 400 more solo pieces! dt >David: While you might find the theorbo too muddy on the low notes of the >viol, the aesthetic of the day points towards low, low, low! Two viols would >be even more redundant. The solo viol part doubles the bass line more than >half the time. > >I hope we are all free criticize on this list! > >Shaun > >On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On 3/15/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i agree ! > > > please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do > > > better and historically more accurate. > > > > I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay: > > > > 1) "show to the italians you can do better": To me this sounds > > nationalistic, there is a sound of "ethnic cleansing". > > 2) "historically more accurate": Sounds to me as "authenticity" - as > > used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later... > > > > I totally agree with David T's comments on the "mistakes" and better > > alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's "early music > > (nearly) facism(?)". > > > > All the best, > > > > Arto > > > >-- > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Let's not read too deep into Igor's comments. I think this was directed to me, at my audacity in suggesting that I may know better. While I am well capable of performing Forqueray, I think to record a version of my own online with the sole purpose to prove that I can interpret Forqueray "better" is a bit too much effort! The current early music movement has created itself certain national styles, which I think many of us can detect. I think Igor statement is a very casual one. There are certain things that are make our musical decisions more historically accurate. While the interpretation of the information we have from the past can change, the facts cannot. The viol community of late 17th/early 18th century was dominated by a group viol/lute/theorbo/guitar players that we have enough information about to make pretty OK guesses when it comes to instrumentation. I'm sure that many will agree that an archlute is not the best instrument to use to accompany these works. >From the duo's decision, we can safely conclude that these historical issues didn't really matter to them. That's fine by me. But I think some of us would like to know the music would change if the choice of continuo instrument was different. David: While you might find the theorbo too muddy on the low notes of the viol, the aesthetic of the day points towards low, low, low! Two viols would be even more redundant. The solo viol part doubles the bass line more than half the time. I hope we are all free criticize on this list! Shaun On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/15/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i agree ! > > please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do > > better and historically more accurate. > > I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay: > > 1) "show to the italians you can do better": To me this sounds > nationalistic, there is a sound of "ethnic cleansing". > 2) "historically more accurate": Sounds to me as "authenticity" - as > used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later... > > I totally agree with David T's comments on the "mistakes" and better > alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's "early music > (nearly) facism(?)". > > All the best, > > Arto > -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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-- Forwarded message -- From: igor . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Forqueray To: David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "lute-cs. dartmouth. edu" They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ? Except for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog ! One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way ! Barto, Valery , O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the "italians" -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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They are Italians indeed ! What's wrong with that ? Except for lute player who is as bad as my dead dog ! One should play lute with no nails and double strung ! No other way ! Barto, Valery , O'Dette , Shoskes,Tyler , Schall, Wikla use no nails watch their great performances on youtube and compare with the "italians" -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 3/15/2008, "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not saying there are mistakes, I think it is interesting on a > number of levels, these are good players, so they are making artistic choices. Well, yes, I just wrote "mistakes" in parentheses... Your analysis (better word?) was good. And btw the performance was excellent - and also seem to have induced an interesting thread of comments: to double or not to double, to resolve or not to, etc. Interesting and also useful in practice. I really liked your comment on numbering of the bass; also I have many times thought, weather the number (especially in French stuff) is a warning "do not play this". Very often (in French numbering) I have came to that interpretation... All the best , Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I'm not saying there are mistakes, I think it is interesting on a number of levels, these are good players, so they are making artistic choices. I think it is totally OK to learn from the video, beacause it raises such interesting issues. I'm going to recommend it as a continuo study, and of course everyone should have their own interpretation. Some might find the theorbo too muddy with the low notes of the viol, for example, and prefer the higher sound of the archlute. And two viols is a nice instrumentation. One thing the players do really well, is they don't slow down at the hard bits! dt At 02:30 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: >On 3/15/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i agree ! > > please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do > > better and historically more accurate. > >I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay: > >1) "show to the italians you can do better": To me this sounds >nationalistic, there is a sound of "ethnic cleansing". >2) "historically more accurate": Sounds to me as "authenticity" - as >used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later... > >I totally agree with David T's comments on the "mistakes" and better >alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's "early music >(nearly) facism(?)". > >All the best, > >Arto > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 3/15/2008, "igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i agree ! > please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do > better and historically more accurate. I am kind of allergic only of two points in this longish essay: 1) "show to the italians you can do better": To me this sounds nationalistic, there is a sound of "ethnic cleansing". 2) "historically more accurate": Sounds to me as "authenticity" - as used some decades ago, and rejected one decade later... I totally agree with David T's comments on the "mistakes" and better alternatives, but I shudder when reading igor721's "early music (nearly) facism(?)". All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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i agree ! please do that, record your version and show to the italians you can do better and historically more accurate. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I think this is a great video to look at to study continuo. Because the lute often is doubling the leading tones and other notes, you can see and develop a hearing sense for this sound, then you can decide if you like it. I want to make it clear that this is not a criticism, it just is unusual and I'm sure an artistic choice, like doubling the parts in Dowland's Lachrimae. Then you can decide when playing figures if these are figures to play, or figures not to play--not double. Warning figures, or figures just "fyi". Also there are some figures in the bass that are not in the viol part, you can listen and see if the missing harmonies are filled in by either the lute or the viol, it is a good challenge. You can also compare it to the harpsichord solo version if making a solo lute arrangement. The youtube synch problems have been fixed, I believe, I think the problem is on the other end. If you use the H264 codec you should not have synch problems. dt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Anyone else notice how the continuo part sounds redundant at times as the viol is almost always playing it's own accompaniment? The archlute is rarely playing the bass either. Yes, theorbo would have been nicer. Historically more accurate and would definitely sound better. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Daniel F Heiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antoine Forqueray "La Couperin" on viol + archlute. > > http://www.youtube.com/v/Av20FgeJIok&hl > > Passionate playing. Looks like it may be copyrighted material, so catch > it quick before it disappears. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
> Very ineresting performance > I think I would choose the theorbo over the archlute because of the > desire to keep the accompaniment a bit lower. > Also there are an awful lot of doublings of the harmony. I can't see > doing that. > > But mainly, if I played this on the archlute, I would play the whole > piece, as a lute solo. Great idea! Maybe I will do that myself... > There is evidence for single strings historicallly, What are the sources for single archlute strings? To me, an archlute just sounds dead without double strings... Are To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
Very ineresting performance I think I would choose the theorbo over the archlute because of the desire to keep the accompaniment a bit lower. Also there are an awful lot of doublings of the harmony. I can't see doing that. But mainly, if I played this on the archlute, I would play the whole piece, as a lute solo. Why not? There is evidence for single strings historicallly, just not guitarry strings. And of course double strings were much more common. dt sinAt 10:09 AM 3/15/2008, you wrote: >"igor ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > uurgghhh : N A I L S ! > >Well, yes, and single strings, too. No HIP evidence for that, and I >wouldn't do it that way myself, but what the heck. What counts IMO is >the musical output. > >Oh, and it's Luca Pianca (my fault, sorry). Seems to be taken from their >programme Bagpipes from Hell. > >Mathias > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
uurgghhh : N A I L S ! "nur barto soll die laute spilelen" valery &co auch -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
"Daniel F Heiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Antoine Forqueray "La Couperin" on viol + archlute. > > http://www.youtube.com/v/Av20FgeJIok&hl > > Passionate playing. Looks like it may be copyrighted material, so catch > it quick before it disappears. Thank you so much. I'd love to save movies like this, but alas... no such possibilty. Luca Pianco e Vittorio Ghielmi are matching partners, indeed, and I love their passionately playing together. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
