Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

> Francesco
>Not everybody is fit to hold a buffalo-milk mozzarella >dripping whey.
>RT

   I'm glad you think so highly of your products, Michelangelo!
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
> >> I'm not about to start now.
> >> Michael Thames
> >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >
> > Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have
never
> > opened one of them? 8^)
> >
> > Francesco
> Not everybody is fit to hold a buffalo-milk mozzarella dripping whey.
> RT
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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
>> I'm not about to start now.
>> Michael Thames
>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> 
> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have never
> opened one of them? 8^)
> 
> Francesco
Not everybody is fit to hold a buffalo-milk mozzarella dripping whey.
RT
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Joseph Mayes]

On the contrary, like - but certainly not in the same league as - Pat
O'brian, Paul O'Dette, Ron Macfarlane, H. Smith, etc. etc. etc... I began on
the guitar.

JM


On 4/12/05 7:56 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What? You don't play guitar either?
> RT
>> 
>> We all have failing that we must rise above
>> 
>> JM
>> 
>>> Lynda Sayce never played guitar. Ditto yours truly.
>>> RT
>>> __
>>> Roman M. Turovsky
>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>>> 
>>>> I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with the
>>>> guitar. (Gateway drug?)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
>>>>> owes much to the guitar.
>>>>> Michael Thames
>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> about guitars & John Williams.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
>>>>>> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
>>>>>> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
>>>>> music
>>>>>> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
>>>>>> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Edward Martin
>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
>>>>>> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> voice:  (218) 728-1202
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Roman Turovsky]

What? You don't play guitar either?
RT
> 
> We all have failing that we must rise above
> 
> JM
> 
>> Lynda Sayce never played guitar. Ditto yours truly.
>> RT
>> __
>> Roman M. Turovsky
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>> 
>>> I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with the
>>> guitar. (Gateway drug?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
>>>> owes much to the guitar.
>>>> Michael Thames
>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked talking
>>>>> about guitars & John Williams.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to a
>>>>> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
>>>>> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
>>>>> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
>>>> music
>>>>> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
>>>>> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ed
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Edward Martin
>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
>>>>> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> voice:  (218) 728-1202
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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> 

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

>We all have failing that we must rise above

>JM
  I hear through the grapevine, he's secretly investigating Weiss
transcriptions for guitar.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> We all have failing that we must rise above
>
> JM
>
>
> On 4/7/05 9:35 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Lynda Sayce never played guitar. Ditto yours truly.
> > RT
> > __
> > Roman M. Turovsky
> > http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >
> >> I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with
the
> >> guitar. (Gateway drug?)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >>
> >>> In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
> >>> owes much to the guitar.
> >>> Michael Thames
> >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked
talking
> >>>> about guitars & John Williams.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated
to a
> >>>> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all
English
> >>>> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
> >>>> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
> >>> music
> >>>> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for
years.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
> >>>> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
> >>>>
> >>>> ed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Edward Martin
> >>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >>>> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
> >>>> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> voice:  (218) 728-1202
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Joseph Mayes]

We all have failing that we must rise above

JM


On 4/7/05 9:35 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lynda Sayce never played guitar. Ditto yours truly.
> RT
> __
> Roman M. Turovsky
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> 
>> I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with the
>> guitar. (Gateway drug?)
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
>>> owes much to the guitar.
>>> Michael Thames
>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked talking
>>>> about guitars & John Williams.
>>>> 
>>>> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to a
>>>> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
>>>> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
>>>> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
>>> music
>>>> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for years.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
>>>> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
>>>> 
>>>> ed
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Edward Martin
>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
>>>> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
>>>> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> voice:  (218) 728-1202
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Antwort: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Alain Veylit]

Hi all,
I think Thomas's point is more true of the guitar than the lute. Here is 
why I think this: it is difficult to hit the high frets on a double 
string course and have it sound in tune. In fact this took me quite a 
few years to achieve. On octaved courses this is even more difficult, 
and it seems that string wear-out makes it almost impossible.
On a Renaissance lute, a 7th fret on the second course is difficult to 
achieve, let alone a 9th fret on an octaved 5th-course. Weiss's music 
goes into the higher positions of course, but mostly on the first two 
courses that are single...
If you compare baroque lute and theorbo music for instance, you see the 
difference instantly: the theorbo uses high positions a lot more... One 
exception may be Gianoncelli, and this might perhaps indicate that his 
music may have been written for a single course archlute - This is just 
a thought that would have to be explored further...
Cheers,
Alain


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>
>
>
>Hi all!
>
>Baron explains a bit about this. One of the advantages of the lute over
>other instruments is that you have the same tone on different positions on
>the fretboard. Every position produces a slightly different tone. A good
>composer made use of that differences to produce a certain sound and mood.
>This combined with other rules of composition (chosing of the right key et
>altera, voice leading, harmonisation) makes a composition "tastefull".
>
>You know - the parameters are very different between a guitar and a
>(baroque) lute. Playing baroque lute music on guitar is as natural as
>playing sitar on the guitar. It's transcribing from a different culture
>with the effect of applying your own ideas of your culture to the original
>
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Antwort: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[thomas . schall]

Hi all!

Baron explains a bit about this. One of the advantages of the lute over
other instruments is that you have the same tone on different positions on
the fretboard. Every position produces a slightly different tone. A good
composer made use of that differences to produce a certain sound and mood.
This combined with other rules of composition (chosing of the right key et
altera, voice leading, harmonisation) makes a composition "tastefull".

You know - the parameters are very different between a guitar and a
(baroque) lute. Playing baroque lute music on guitar is as natural as
playing sitar on the guitar. It's transcribing from a different culture
with the effect of applying your own ideas of your culture to the original

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

Hi Markus,  Defiantly, Weiss uses the higher positions, but the left hand
it seems resides 75% of the time in first position, a percentage pulled off
the top of my head, but fairly accurate from what I've seen of Weiss.
  The exception being a suite such as the F# minor.  Cardin in his liner
notes says..."From the Allemande onward, the chosen key causes unusual left
hand positioning "
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Markus Lutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute" 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> Michael, there are other suites that show a totally different picture.
> Take e.g. the suite in f minor. Most music is playing in the high
positions ...
> The point might be to try to understand what's the reason for often using
the lower positions.
> I think, that the main reason might be the use of both of the chantarelles
for the melody.
> Because they are single courses it is much clearer than on the double
courses.
> But as the example of the f minor suite shows, he will use the positions
he thinks will fit the best for his purpose.
> And not too seldom he uses the 4th and 5th course where he also could have
used a higher course in a lower position.
>
> Best
> Markus
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:57:38 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
>
> MT> >In my eyes that isn't true for Weiss, but I should check >that once
again.
> MT> >He uses every possible position and his fingering is very
>thoughtful.
> MT> >Usually he therefore avoids unnecessary shifting of >positions, so
very
> MT> often notes are played in higher >positions, although they could have
been
> MT> played also in >the first positions.
> MT>
> MT> >Best
> MT> >Markus
> MT>
> MT> For instance, in the Sonata in D minor 8 Dresden within  the
> MT> courante, out of 56 measures of the first repeat, only 2 venture out
of
> MT> first position.  Of the remaining 79 measures in the last section 20
leave
> MT> first position.
> MT>   In the Allemande, same suite first section, out of 17 measures 3
leave
> MT> first position.  Second section, out of 25 measures 2 leave first
position.
> MT> Safe to say, I believe that this is the norm.
> MT>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert) (fwd)

[Mathias Rösel]

 "Michael Thames"  schrieb:
>> Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??

>> Come on

>  In Weiss this is true, but maybe not Bach, or other transcriptions.


Try Gallot

Cheers,

Mathias
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Markus Lutz]

Michael, there are other suites that show a totally different picture. 
Take e.g. the suite in f minor. Most music is playing in the high positions ... 
The point might be to try to understand what's the reason for often using the 
lower positions. 
I think, that the main reason might be the use of both of the chantarelles for 
the melody.
Because they are single courses it is much clearer than on the double courses. 
But as the example of the f minor suite shows, he will use the positions he 
thinks will fit the best for his purpose.
And not too seldom he uses the 4th and 5th course where he also could have used 
a higher course in a lower position.

Best
Markus
 

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:57:38 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:

MT> >In my eyes that isn't true for Weiss, but I should check >that once again.
MT> >He uses every possible position and his fingering is very >thoughtful.
MT> >Usually he therefore avoids unnecessary shifting of >positions, so very
MT> often notes are played in higher >positions, although they could have been
MT> played also in >the first positions.
MT>
MT> >Best
MT> >Markus
MT>
MT> For instance, in the Sonata in D minor 8 Dresden within  the
MT> courante, out of 56 measures of the first repeat, only 2 venture out of
MT> first position.  Of the remaining 79 measures in the last section 20 leave
MT> first position.
MT>   In the Allemande, same suite first section, out of 17 measures 3 leave
MT> first position.  Second section, out of 25 measures 2 leave first position.
MT> Safe to say, I believe that this is the norm.
MT>




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Antwort: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[thomas . schall]

I've read Alain's posting different: the positions on the lute do have a
musical meaning which is not easy to reproduce on a guitar.

Best wishes
Thomas





[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Lutz) am 07.04.2005 23:07:29

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Thema: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

In my eyes that isn't true for Weiss, but I should check that once again.
He uses every possible position and his fingering is very thoughtful.
Usually he therefore avoids unnecessary shifting of positions, so very
often notes are played in higher positions, although they could have been
played also in the first positions.

Best
Markus



On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:00:27 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:

MT> >Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
MT>
MT> >Come on
MT>  In Weiss this is true, but maybe not Bach, or other
transcriptions.
MT>
MT> Michael Thames
MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
MT> - Original Message -
MT> From: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MT> To: 
MT> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:51 AM
MT> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
MT>
MT>
MT> > >Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
MT> > >not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best
in
MT> > >the higher positions.
MT> >
MT> > Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
MT> >
MT> > Come on
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> > To get on or off this list see list information at
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MT> >
MT>
MT>
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

>In my eyes that isn't true for Weiss, but I should check >that once again.
>He uses every possible position and his fingering is very >thoughtful.
>Usually he therefore avoids unnecessary shifting of >positions, so very
often notes are played in higher >positions, although they could have been
played also in >the first positions.

>Best
>Markus

For instance, in the Sonata in D minor 8 Dresden within  the
courante, out of 56 measures of the first repeat, only 2 venture out of
first position.  Of the remaining 79 measures in the last section 20 leave
first position.
  In the Allemande, same suite first section, out of 17 measures 3 leave
first position.  Second section, out of 25 measures 2 leave first position.
Safe to say, I believe that this is the norm.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Markus Lutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> In my eyes that isn't true for Weiss, but I should check that once again.
> He uses every possible position and his fingering is very thoughtful.
> Usually he therefore avoids unnecessary shifting of positions, so very
often notes are played in higher positions, although they could have been
played also in the first positions.
>
> Best
> Markus
>
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:00:27 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
>
> MT> >Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
> MT>
> MT> >Come on
> MT>  In Weiss this is true, but maybe not Bach, or other
transcriptions.
> MT>
> MT> Michael Thames
> MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> - Original Message -
> MT> From: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> To: 
> MT> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:51 AM
> MT> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> MT>
> MT>
> MT> > >Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the
guitar
> MT> > >not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best
in
> MT> > >the higher positions.
> MT> >
> MT> > Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
> MT> >
> MT> > Come on
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Roman Turovsky]

Lynda Sayce never played guitar. Ditto yours truly.
RT
__
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http://polyhymnion.org/swv

> I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with the
> guitar. (Gateway drug?)
> 
> 
> On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
>> owes much to the guitar.
>> Michael Thames
>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked talking
>>> about guitars & John Williams.
>>> 
>>> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to a
>>> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
>>> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
>>> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
>> music
>>> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for years.
>>> 
>>> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
>>> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
>>> 
>>> ed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
>>> 
>>>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Edward Martin
>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
>>> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
>>> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> voice:  (218) 728-1202
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Markus Lutz]

In my eyes that isn't true for Weiss, but I should check that once again.
He uses every possible position and his fingering is very thoughtful.
Usually he therefore avoids unnecessary shifting of positions, so very often 
notes are played in higher positions, although they could have been played also 
in the first positions. 

Best
Markus



On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:00:27 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:

MT> >Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
MT>
MT> >Come on
MT>  In Weiss this is true, but maybe not Bach, or other transcriptions.
MT>
MT> Michael Thames
MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
MT> - Original Message -
MT> From: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MT> To: 
MT> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:51 AM
MT> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
MT>
MT>
MT> > >Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
MT> > >not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in
MT> > >the higher positions.
MT> >
MT> > Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
MT> >
MT> > Come on
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> > To get on or off this list see list information at
MT> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
MT> >
MT>
MT>
MT>
MT>

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

>I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin >with the
>guitar. (Gateway drug?)

  Reminds me last Dec.11th Paul Odette did a master class at UNM.  Out
of 8 performers ,I was the only lute player, the rest played guitars.
Actually, I was amazed at how well Paul, could belt out those lute suites on
guitar.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Mayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "G.R. Crona"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Edward Martin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with the
> guitar. (Gateway drug?)
>
>
> On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the
lute
> > owes much to the guitar.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> >
> >
> >> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked
talking
> >> about guitars & John Williams.
> >>
> >> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated
to a
> >> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
> >> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
> >> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
> > music
> >> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for
years.
> >>
> >> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
> >> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
> >>
> >> ed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
> >>
> >>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Edward Martin
> >> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
> >> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> voice:  (218) 728-1202
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To get on or off this list see list information at
> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Joseph Mayes]

I agree - It's difficult to find a lute player who didn't begin with the
guitar. (Gateway drug?)


On 4/7/05 12:07 PM, "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
> owes much to the guitar.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> 
> 
>> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked talking
>> about guitars & John Williams.
>> 
>> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to a
>> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
>> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
>> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
> music
>> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for years.
>> 
>> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
>> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
>> 
>> ed
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Edward Martin
>> 2817 East 2nd Street
>> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
>> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> voice:  (218) 728-1202
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

>Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??

>Come on
 In Weiss this is true, but maybe not Bach, or other transcriptions.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> >Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
> >not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in
> >the higher positions.
>
> Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??
>
> Come on
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

>-Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas >the guitar
>not only allows for high position fingerings but often >sounds best in
>the higher positions.
>Because of those two points, I personally tend to think >that the best
>arrangements of Weiss's music on the guitar would >involve transposing
>upward, maybe as much as a fifth sometimes.

 Alain, you may see this as an advantage, however this puts the
guitarist in a very uncomfortable situation.
 For me anyway, it comes down to how the music was written on the lute.
In most all Weiss's music, the use of un fretted open strings were used, as
much as possible.  Paul Odette said to me, on the baroque lute, one never
plucks the same string more than twice in a row.
 In transposing this music up, the open strings of the guitar can't be
utilized.  Resulting in very strained phrasing, very un lute like.

>The 8-string guitar  which has both an extra bass and an >extra treble
>could work very well in that model. But in this day of >revival of the
>lute, there is little point in transcribing for the sake of it, >without
>paying attention to what the guitar could actually  bring  in >terms of
>its own qualities.  At least at the professional level
Michael Thames

In the world of the lute, it seems some increase of awareness towards
the baroque lute is taking place,  But within the mainstream guitar world it
think you would find very little interest, sadly!

>I have two remarks on the Baroque lute to guitar >transcriptions:
>-One big problem is the sound of the basses on the guitar >that are
>relatively dull when compared to the lute. This is >aggravated by the
>fact that lute music naturally makes of the richness of its >bass
>register. So is it a good idea to take the best of one >instrument to
>replace it by the worst of another?

   I think this problem can be reminded, by using the same idea as a
swanneck lute. Most of the 11 string guitars I've seen all have the strings
stop at the first nut.  This setup requires thick un responsive bass's.  The
swanneck guitar would have longer basses so the diameters could be smaller
resulting in a better bass register.
  BTW, I've come up with a name for the design I'm working on.  "The Dresden
Model"
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> I have two remarks on the Baroque lute to guitar transcriptions:
> -One big problem is the sound of the basses on the guitar that are
> relatively dull when compared to the lute. This is aggravated by the
> fact that lute music naturally makes of the richness of its bass
> register. So is it a good idea to take the best of one instrument to
> replace it by the worst of another?
> -Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
> not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in
> the higher positions.
> Because of those two points, I personally tend to think that the best
> arrangements of Weiss's music on the guitar would involve transposing
> upward, maybe as much as a fifth sometimes.
> The 8-string guitar  which has both an extra bass and an extra treble
> could work very well in that model. But in this day of revival of the
> lute, there is little point in transcribing for the sake of it, without
> paying attention to what the guitar could actually  bring  in terms of
> its own qualities.  At least at the professional level.
> Alain
>
>
>
> G.R. Crona wrote:
>
> >I've always been a heretic in lute-matters, but am quite happy playing
Weiss
> >on a guitar tuned to D-minor while octavating the basses. Perfectly
viable.
> >
> >Also, the 11 string guitar is by no means a new invention. The swedish
> >guitarbuilder Bolin was making his "Altguitars" already in the 60's.
Listen
> >to Göran Söllscher being a fair exponent.
> >
> >BTW wasn't this a lute list?
> >
> >B.R.
> >G.
> >
> >
> >On Apr 7, 2005 8:03 AM, Markus Lutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Thank you, Ed, for giving this recording.
> >>Of course it is much easier to play Weiss (or baroque lute music in
general) if you have a  guitar with additional basses.
> >>A "normal" guitar has it restrictions, but anyway Weiss stays beautiful
music  even on such an instrument.
> >>I've begun to play Weiss and to estimate him through playing his music
on a concert guitar.
> >>Also I'm not a virtuoso on it, many of the Weiss suites worked v

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[G.R. Crona]

>Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
>not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in
>the higher positions.

Does lute music mostly rely on first positions??

Come on



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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[G.R. Crona]

Of Course,

but you can't deny the availability of accessing Weiss in an easy way, my way ;)


On Apr 7, 2005 7:38 PM, Thomas Schall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> exactly my point! Thanks for that, Alain!
> 
> Thomas
> 
> Am Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 19:30 schrieb Alain Veylit:
> > I have two remarks on the Baroque lute to guitar transcriptions:
> > -One big problem is the sound of the basses on the guitar that are
> > relatively dull when compared to the lute. This is aggravated by the
> > fact that lute music naturally makes of the richness of its bass
> > register. So is it a good idea to take the best of one instrument to
> > replace it by the worst of another?
> > -Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
> > not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in
> > the higher positions.
> > Because of those two points, I personally tend to think that the best
> > arrangements of Weiss's music on the guitar would involve transposing
> > upward, maybe as much as a fifth sometimes.
> > The 8-string guitar  which has both an extra bass and an extra treble
> > could work very well in that model. But in this day of revival of the
> > lute, there is little point in transcribing for the sake of it, without
> > paying attention to what the guitar could actually  bring  in terms of
> > its own qualities.  At least at the professional level.
> > Alain
> >
> 
> --
> Thomas Schall
> Niederhofheimer Weg 3
> D-65843 Sulzbach
> 06196/74519
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Thomas Schall]

exactly my point! Thanks for that, Alain!

Thomas

Am Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 19:30 schrieb Alain Veylit:
> I have two remarks on the Baroque lute to guitar transcriptions:
> -One big problem is the sound of the basses on the guitar that are
> relatively dull when compared to the lute. This is aggravated by the
> fact that lute music naturally makes of the richness of its bass
> register. So is it a good idea to take the best of one instrument to
> replace it by the worst of another?
> -Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar
> not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in
> the higher positions.
> Because of those two points, I personally tend to think that the best
> arrangements of Weiss's music on the guitar would involve transposing
> upward, maybe as much as a fifth sometimes.
> The 8-string guitar  which has both an extra bass and an extra treble
> could work very well in that model. But in this day of revival of the
> lute, there is little point in transcribing for the sake of it, without
> paying attention to what the guitar could actually  bring  in terms of
> its own qualities.  At least at the professional level.
> Alain
>

-- 
Thomas Schall
Niederhofheimer Weg 3
D-65843 Sulzbach
06196/74519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Alain Veylit]

I have two remarks on the Baroque lute to guitar transcriptions:
-One big problem is the sound of the basses on the guitar that are 
relatively dull when compared to the lute. This is aggravated by the 
fact that lute music naturally makes of the richness of its bass 
register. So is it a good idea to take the best of one instrument to 
replace it by the worst of another?
-Two: lute music relies mostly on first positions, whereas the guitar  
not only allows for high position fingerings but often sounds best in 
the higher positions.
Because of those two points, I personally tend to think that the best 
arrangements of Weiss's music on the guitar would involve transposing 
upward, maybe as much as a fifth sometimes.
The 8-string guitar  which has both an extra bass and an extra treble 
could work very well in that model. But in this day of revival of the 
lute, there is little point in transcribing for the sake of it, without 
paying attention to what the guitar could actually  bring  in terms of 
its own qualities.  At least at the professional level.
Alain



G.R. Crona wrote:

>I've always been a heretic in lute-matters, but am quite happy playing Weiss 
>on a guitar tuned to D-minor while octavating the basses. Perfectly viable.
>
>Also, the 11 string guitar is by no means a new invention. The swedish 
>guitarbuilder Bolin was making his "Altguitars" already in the 60's. Listen 
>to Göran Söllscher being a fair exponent.
>
>BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>
>B.R.
>G. 
>
>
>On Apr 7, 2005 8:03 AM, Markus Lutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Thank you, Ed, for giving this recording.
>>Of course it is much easier to play Weiss (or baroque lute music in general) 
>>if you have a  guitar with additional basses.
>>A "normal" guitar has it restrictions, but anyway Weiss stays beautiful music 
>> even on such an instrument.
>>I've begun to play Weiss and to estimate him through playing his music on a 
>>concert guitar.
>>Also I'm not a virtuoso on it, many of the Weiss suites worked very well on 
>>it.
>>In my eyes the main problem is how musically these adaptions are played and 
>>if they have the baroque spirit that Weiss has.
>>
>>Regarding Schneeweiss I can only add, that his paraphrases of Weissian music 
>>had been one of the main causes I have turned to the (baroque) lute.
>>I feeled that his recordings doesn't fit at all the spirit of this music and 
>>I wanted to learn how it sounded and how it should be played.
>>
>>Best
>>Markus
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>  
>

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

   In the past, the guitar owed much to the lute,  However today the lute
owes much to the guitar.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked talking
> about guitars & John Williams.
>
> Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to a
> concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English
> music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his
> performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the
music
> of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for years.
>
> On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St
> Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.
>
> ed
>
>
>
> At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:
>
> >BTW wasn't this a lute list?
>
>
>
> Edward Martin
> 2817 East 2nd Street
> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> voice:  (218) 728-1202
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Re: Willams Concert

[Robert Compton]

my old latin teacher had a saying, " 'tis better to remain silent and
thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."  ~~
robert
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'LUTE-LIST'" ; "Francesco Tribioli"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it.
> >> Michael Thames
> >But you listen to JWilliams, don't you?
> >RT
>   We have a saying in the old country... " An intelligent man can
> never win a debate with an idiot, the idiot will always win"  so I now
> concede to you, and admit JW is not a good guitarist or musician.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'"
> ; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>
>
> > >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section
of
> > > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
> > >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a
> > >> culturally sensitive individual.
> > >> RT
> > > Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am.
> > I hope your ostensibly European lutes don't reflect this mindset of
yours.
> >
> >
> >
> > >> ps.
> > >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that,
> > >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese
> > >
> > > I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it.
> > > Michael Thames
> > But you listen to JWilliams, don't you?
> > RT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
> > >>>>> I'm not about to start now.
> > >>>>> Michael Thames
> > >>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > >>>
> > >>>> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you
> have
> > >>> never
> > >>>> opened one of them? 8^)
> > >>>
> > >>>> Francesco
> > >>>
> > >>> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several
lutenist's,
> > > whom
> > >>> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all
> > >>> together, citing health concerns.
> > >>> Michael Thames
> > >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section
of
> > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
> > >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a
> > >> culturally sensitive individual.
> > >> RT
> > >> ps.
> > >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that,
> > >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese".
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> >
>
>
>

Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>> I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it.
>> Michael Thames
>But you listen to JWilliams, don't you?
>RT
  We have a saying in the old country... " An intelligent man can
never win a debate with an idiot, the idiot will always win"  so I now
concede to you, and admit JW is not a good guitarist or musician.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'"
; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of
> > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
> >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a
> >> culturally sensitive individual.
> >> RT
> > Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am.
> I hope your ostensibly European lutes don't reflect this mindset of yours.
>
>
>
> >> ps.
> >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that,
> >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese
> >
> > I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it.
> > Michael Thames
> But you listen to JWilliams, don't you?
> RT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>>>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
> >>>>> I'm not about to start now.
> >>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>>
> >>>> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you
have
> >>> never
> >>>> opened one of them? 8^)
> >>>
> >>>> Francesco
> >>>
> >>> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's,
> > whom
> >>> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all
> >>> together, citing health concerns.
> >>> Michael Thames
> >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of
> >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
> >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a
> >> culturally sensitive individual.
> >> RT
> >> ps.
> >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that,
> >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Edward Martin]

Yes, it is supposed to be, but it seems we have become sidetracked talking 
about guitars & John Williams.

Let's change the subject.  2 weeks ago, in Minnesota, we were treated to a 
concert by Nigel North.  It was an astonishing performance, all English 
music.  I can say that there were no weak or lacking aspects to  his 
performance, and it has given me incentives to want to re-explore the music 
of Dowland and company.  This is an area which I have neglected for years.

On 2 says, Paul O'Dette will perform the music of Weiss & Bach in St 
Paul.  I am very curious to see what he does with baroque lute.

ed



At 10:11 AM 4/7/2005 +0200, G.R. Crona wrote:

>BTW wasn't this a lute list?



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Duluth, Minnesota  55812
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[G.R. Crona]

I've always been a heretic in lute-matters, but am quite happy playing Weiss 
on a guitar tuned to D-minor while octavating the basses. Perfectly viable.

Also, the 11 string guitar is by no means a new invention. The swedish 
guitarbuilder Bolin was making his "Altguitars" already in the 60's. Listen 
to Göran Söllscher being a fair exponent.

BTW wasn't this a lute list?

B.R.
G. 


On Apr 7, 2005 8:03 AM, Markus Lutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you, Ed, for giving this recording.
> Of course it is much easier to play Weiss (or baroque lute music in general) 
> if you have a  guitar with additional basses.
> A "normal" guitar has it restrictions, but anyway Weiss stays beautiful music 
>  even on such an instrument.
> I've begun to play Weiss and to estimate him through playing his music on a 
> concert guitar.
> Also I'm not a virtuoso on it, many of the Weiss suites worked very well on 
> it.
> In my eyes the main problem is how musically these adaptions are played and 
> if they have the baroque spirit that Weiss has.
> 
> Regarding Schneeweiss I can only add, that his paraphrases of Weissian music 
> had been one of the main causes I have turned to the (baroque) lute.
> I feeled that his recordings doesn't fit at all the spirit of this music and 
> I wanted to learn how it sounded and how it should be played.
> 
> Best
> Markus



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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Markus Lutz]

Thank you, Ed, for giving this recording. 
Of course it is much easier to play Weiss (or baroque lute music in general) if 
you have a  guitar with additional basses.
A "normal" guitar has it restrictions, but anyway Weiss stays beautiful music  
even on such an instrument.
I've begun to play Weiss and to estimate him through playing his music on a 
concert guitar.
Also I'm not a virtuoso on it, many of the Weiss suites worked very well on it.
In my eyes the main problem is how musically these adaptions are played and if 
they have the baroque spirit that Weiss has.

Regarding Schneeweiss I can only add, that his paraphrases of Weissian music 
had been one of the main causes I have turned to the (baroque) lute.
I feeled that his recordings doesn't fit at all the spirit of this music and I 
wanted to learn how it sounded and how it should be played.

Best
Markus 


On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:13 -0500, Edward Martin wrote:

EM> In terms of Weiss on guitar, I would like to recommend a fine new recording
EM> of Weiss, on guitar, by my baroque lute duet partner, Paul Berget.  This
EM> new recording is on 11 course guitar, a new invention by Terry
EM> Schumacher.  It is a lightly strung classic guitar, 11 string.  It is the
EM> most convincing recording I have thus heard of Weiss, as it is played by a
EM> musician who understands both guitar and lute.   It is very stylish, and
EM> well done.
EM>
EM> The G major suite he recorded is the first ever of this piece.  Please give
EM> it a listen!
EM>
EM> It can be heard on Magnatune at:
EM> http://www.magnatune.com/artists/paul_berget
EM>
EM> ed
EM>
EM>
EM> At 05:44 PM 4/6/2005 +0200, Markus Lutz wrote:
EM> >Hello,
EM> >I'm really not sure if the guitar isn't able to play Weiss.
EM> >Of course you'll have to change the bass lines and maybe other things too,
EM> >but I think if someone takes care of the music and it's idiom, there is no
EM> >problem.
EM> >Schneeweiss doesn't count as any proof, as he really plays what he wants
EM> >to play. He kind of improvises on themes of Weiss - it has to do nothing
EM> >at all with baroque music.
EM> >
EM> >But I know of some guitarist that really care about the music and might
EM> >get some good results..
EM> >There is one CD by David Tannenbaum with Weiss - I don't know it -, and I
EM> >am in contact with a German guitarist who has found Weiss and  wants to
EM> >record three suites of it.
EM> >Even one of the most difficult late ones in d minor.
EM> >I hope to hear him end of April and then can tell more.
EM> >
EM> >Best
EM> >Markus
EM> >
EM> >On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:22:21 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
EM> >
EM> >MT> >Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too
EM> >idiomatic
EM> >MT> >to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a >certain
EM> >MT> >Schneeweiss
EM> >MT> 
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
EM> >MT> >who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..
EM> >MT>
EM> >MT> >Thomas
EM> >MT>
EM> >MT> Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit
EM> >well on
EM> >MT> the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of different
EM> >sonatas.
EM> >MT>   I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on assimilating Weiss
EM> >into
EM> >MT> the guitar repertoire at all costs, should perhaps look into the
EM> >possibility
EM> >MT> of a 13 string guitar.  If us lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses, 
is
EM> >MT> this too much to ask of guitarist's?
EM> >MT>I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in 
this
EM> >MT> repertoire he would have a career waiting.
EM> >MT> Michael Thames
EM> >MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
EM> >MT> - Original Message -
EM> >MT> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
EM> >MT> To: 
EM> >MT> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
EM> >MT> Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
EM> >MT>
EM> >MT>
EM> >MT> >
EM> >MT> >
EM> >MT> >
EM> >MT> >
EM> >MT> >
EM> >MT> > Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too
EM> >idiomatic
EM> >MT> > to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
EM> >MT> > Schneeweiss
EM> >MT> > 
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
EM> >MT> > who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("m

Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
>> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a
>> culturally sensitive individual.
>> RT
> Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am.
I hope your ostensibly European lutes don't reflect this mindset of yours.



>> ps.
>> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that,
>> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese
> 
> I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it.
> Michael Thames
But you listen to JWilliams, don't you?
RT







> 
> 
> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
> I'm not about to start now.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>> 
 Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have
>>> never
 opened one of them? 8^)
>>> 
 Francesco
>>> 
>>> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's,
> whom
>>> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all
>>> together, citing health concerns.
>>> Michael Thames
>> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
>> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a
>> culturally sensitive individual.
>> RT
>> ps.
>> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that,
>> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese".
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
>where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a
>culturally sensitive individual.
>RT
 Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am.
>ps.
>Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that,
>especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese

 I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'"
; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
> >>> I'm not about to start now.
> >>> Michael Thames
> >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >
> >> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have
> > never
> >> opened one of them? 8^)
> >
> >> Francesco
> >
> > Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's,
whom
> > I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all
> > together, citing health concerns.
> > Michael Thames
> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a
> culturally sensitive individual.
> RT
> ps.
> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that,
> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese".
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
>>> I'm not about to start now.
>>> Michael Thames
>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> 
>> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have
> never
>> opened one of them? 8^)
> 
>> Francesco
> 
> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, whom
> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all
> together, citing health concerns.
> Michael Thames
I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html
where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a
culturally sensitive individual.
RT
ps. 
Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that,
especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese".


 



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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Edward Martin]

In terms of Weiss on guitar, I would like to recommend a fine new recording 
of Weiss, on guitar, by my baroque lute duet partner, Paul Berget.  This 
new recording is on 11 course guitar, a new invention by Terry 
Schumacher.  It is a lightly strung classic guitar, 11 string.  It is the 
most convincing recording I have thus heard of Weiss, as it is played by a 
musician who understands both guitar and lute.   It is very stylish, and 
well done.

The G major suite he recorded is the first ever of this piece.  Please give 
it a listen!

It can be heard on Magnatune at:
http://www.magnatune.com/artists/paul_berget

ed


At 05:44 PM 4/6/2005 +0200, Markus Lutz wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm really not sure if the guitar isn't able to play Weiss.
>Of course you'll have to change the bass lines and maybe other things too, 
>but I think if someone takes care of the music and it's idiom, there is no 
>problem.
>Schneeweiss doesn't count as any proof, as he really plays what he wants 
>to play. He kind of improvises on themes of Weiss - it has to do nothing 
>at all with baroque music.
>
>But I know of some guitarist that really care about the music and might 
>get some good results..
>There is one CD by David Tannenbaum with Weiss - I don't know it -, and I 
>am in contact with a German guitarist who has found Weiss and  wants to 
>record three suites of it.
>Even one of the most difficult late ones in d minor.
>I hope to hear him end of April and then can tell more.
>
>Best
>Markus
>
>On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:22:21 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
>
>MT> >Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too 
>idiomatic
>MT> >to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a >certain
>MT> >Schneeweiss
>MT> (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
>MT> >who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..
>MT>
>MT> >Thomas
>MT>
>MT> Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit 
>well on
>MT> the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of different 
>sonatas.
>MT>   I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on assimilating Weiss 
>into
>MT> the guitar repertoire at all costs, should perhaps look into the 
>possibility
>MT> of a 13 string guitar.  If us lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses, is
>MT> this too much to ask of guitarist's?
>MT>I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in this
>MT> repertoire he would have a career waiting.
>MT> Michael Thames
>MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>MT> - Original Message -
>MT> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>MT> To: 
>MT> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
>MT> Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
>MT>
>MT>
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> > Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too 
>idiomatic
>MT> > to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
>MT> > Schneeweiss
>MT> > (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
>MT> > who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..
>MT> >
>MT> > Thomas
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> > "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 01:07:13
>MT> >
>MT> > An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
>MT> >
>MT> > Kopie:
>MT> >
>MT> > Thema: Re: Willams Concert
>MT> >
>MT> > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
>MT> > RT
>MT> >   It's called supply and demand.
>MT> > Michael Thames
>MT> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>MT> > - Original Message -
>MT> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>MT> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
>MT> > 
>MT> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
>MT> > Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>MT> >
>MT> >
>MT> > > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
>MT> > out
>MT> > > > what's the big deal about this dude
>MT> > > > RT
>MT> > > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
>MT> > > > Michael Thames
>MT> > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>MT> > > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
>MT> &g

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Thomas Schall]

Ok! let's go from the worst to the best.
Our friend Per Kjetil made marvelous transcriptions for the 8-string guitar 
and recorded them. Maybe he's still on the list and permits to put an example 
piece on the net. 
Hi Per Kjetil! Are you there?
It's really good work but still I am missing something  

BTW: His thesis is well worth reading and gives a good overview over the lute 
in the galant period.

Best wishes
Thomas

Am Mittwoch, 6. April 2005 17:44 schrieb Markus Lutz:
> Hello,
> I'm really not sure if the guitar isn't able to play Weiss.
> Of course you'll have to change the bass lines and maybe other things too,
> but I think if someone takes care of the music and it's idiom, there is no
> problem. Schneeweiss doesn't count as any proof, as he really plays what he
> wants to play. He kind of improvises on themes of Weiss - it has to do
> nothing at all with baroque music.
>
> But I know of some guitarist that really care about the music and might get
> some good results.. There is one CD by David Tannenbaum with Weiss - I
> don't know it -, and I am in contact with a German guitarist who has found
> Weiss and  wants to record three suites of it. Even one of the most
> difficult late ones in d minor.
> I hope to hear him end of April and then can tell more.
>
> Best
> Markus
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:22:21 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
>
> MT> >Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too
> idiomatic MT> >to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a
> >certain MT> >Schneeweiss
> MT>
> (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> MT> >who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..
> MT>
> MT> >Thomas
> MT>
> MT> Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit
> well on MT> the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of
> different sonatas. MT>   I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on
> assimilating Weiss into MT> the guitar repertoire at all costs, should
> perhaps look into the possibility MT> of a 13 string guitar.  If us
> lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses, is MT> this too much to ask of
> guitarist's?
> MT>I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in
> this MT> repertoire he would have a career waiting.
> MT> Michael Thames
> MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> - Original Message -
> MT> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> To: 
> MT> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
> MT> Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> MT>
> MT>
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too
> idiomatic MT> > to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a
> certain MT> > Schneeweiss
> MT> >
> (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> MT> > who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..
> MT> >
> MT> > Thomas
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 01:07:13
> MT> >
> MT> > An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
> MT> >
> MT> > Kopie:
> MT> >
> MT> > Thema: Re: Willams Concert
> MT> >
> MT> > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> MT> > RT
> MT> >   It's called supply and demand.
> MT> > Michael Thames
> MT> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> > - Original Message -
> MT> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
> MT> > 
> MT> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
> MT> > Subject: Re: Willams Concert
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot
> figure MT> > out
> MT> > > > what's the big deal about this dude
> MT> > > > RT
> MT> > > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> MT> > > > Michael Thames
> MT> > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> > > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> MT> > > RT
> MT> > >
> MT> > > --
> MT> > > http://polyhymnion.org/torban
> MT> >

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

I do think what Lorimar is doing is a good thing in general, as it might
expose the mainstream guitar world to more than just the greatest hits.
Perhaps some will even consider more strings, and we all know, bigger is
better.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Markus Lutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> Hello,
> I'm really not sure if the guitar isn't able to play Weiss.
> Of course you'll have to change the bass lines and maybe other things too,
but I think if someone takes care of the music and it's idiom, there is no
problem.
> Schneeweiss doesn't count as any proof, as he really plays what he wants
to play. He kind of improvises on themes of Weiss - it has to do nothing at
all with baroque music.
>
> But I know of some guitarist that really care about the music and might
get some good results..
> There is one CD by David Tannenbaum with Weiss - I don't know it -, and I
am in contact with a German guitarist who has found Weiss and  wants to
record three suites of it.
> Even one of the most difficult late ones in d minor.
> I hope to hear him end of April and then can tell more.
>
> Best
> Markus
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:22:21 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
>
> MT> >Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too
idiomatic
> MT> >to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a >certain
> MT> >Schneeweiss
> MT>
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> MT> >who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..
> MT>
> MT> >Thomas
> MT>
> MT> Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit
well on
> MT> the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of different
sonatas.
> MT>   I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on assimilating Weiss
into
> MT> the guitar repertoire at all costs, should perhaps look into the
possibility
> MT> of a 13 string guitar.  If us lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses,
is
> MT> this too much to ask of guitarist's?
> MT>I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in
this
> MT> repertoire he would have a career waiting.
> MT> Michael Thames
> MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> - Original Message -
> MT> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> To: 
> MT> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
> MT> Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> MT>
> MT>
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too
idiomatic
> MT> > to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
> MT> > Schneeweiss
> MT> >
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> MT> > who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..
> MT> >
> MT> > Thomas
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 01:07:13
> MT> >
> MT> > An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
> MT> >
> MT> > Kopie:
> MT> >
> MT> > Thema: Re: Willams Concert
> MT> >
> MT> > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> MT> > RT
> MT> >   It's called supply and demand.
> MT> > Michael Thames
> MT> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> > - Original Message -
> MT> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
> MT> > 
> MT> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
> MT> > Subject: Re: Willams Concert
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot
figure
> MT> > out
> MT> > > > what's the big deal about this dude
> MT> > > > RT
> MT> > > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> MT> > > > Michael Thames
> MT> > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> > > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> MT> > > RT
> MT> > >
> MT> > > --
> MT> > > http://polyhymnion.org/torban
> MT> > >
> MT> > >
> MT> > >
> 

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

Dear Markus,
  I do believe that guitarist's are  probably capable of hitting all the
notes, exception being the bass line.
   The difference seems to be the relaxed phrasing, and the ability to
sustain anything longer than a millisecond.
  The lute or 13 string guitar has a rich sympathetic overtone series that
lets one relax be bit.
Lorimar's transcriptions ( a least from what I saw, and was told by a
friend ) start in very un natural keys and positions for the guitar. In what
normally would start in the 1st position on guitar start's at the 5 the
fret, (Perhaps not all )As a result the simplest Weiss piece's, become
exhausting for most guitarist's, and audience's.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
- Original Message -
From: "Markus Lutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


> Hello,
> I'm really not sure if the guitar isn't able to play Weiss.
> Of course you'll have to change the bass lines and maybe other things too,
but I think if someone takes care of the music and it's idiom, there is no
problem.
> Schneeweiss doesn't count as any proof, as he really plays what he wants
to play. He kind of improvises on themes of Weiss - it has to do nothing at
all with baroque music.
>
> But I know of some guitarist that really care about the music and might
get some good results..
> There is one CD by David Tannenbaum with Weiss - I don't know it -, and I
am in contact with a German guitarist who has found Weiss and  wants to
record three suites of it.
> Even one of the most difficult late ones in d minor.
> I hope to hear him end of April and then can tell more.
>
> Best
> Markus
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:22:21 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
>
> MT> >Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too
idiomatic
> MT> >to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a >certain
> MT> >Schneeweiss
> MT>
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> MT> >who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..
> MT>
> MT> >Thomas
> MT>
> MT> Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit
well on
> MT> the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of different
sonatas.
> MT>   I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on assimilating Weiss
into
> MT> the guitar repertoire at all costs, should perhaps look into the
possibility
> MT> of a 13 string guitar.  If us lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses,
is
> MT> this too much to ask of guitarist's?
> MT>I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in
this
> MT> repertoire he would have a career waiting.
> MT> Michael Thames
> MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> - Original Message -
> MT> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> To: 
> MT> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
> MT> Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
> MT>
> MT>
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too
idiomatic
> MT> > to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
> MT> > Schneeweiss
> MT> >
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> MT> > who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..
> MT> >
> MT> > Thomas
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 01:07:13
> MT> >
> MT> > An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
> MT> >
> MT> > Kopie:
> MT> >
> MT> > Thema: Re: Willams Concert
> MT> >
> MT> > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> MT> > RT
> MT> >   It's called supply and demand.
> MT> > Michael Thames
> MT> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> MT> > - Original Message -
> MT> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MT> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
> MT> > 
> MT> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
> MT> > Subject: Re: Willams Concert
> MT> >
> MT> >
> MT> > > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot
figure
> MT> > out
> MT> > > > what's the big deal about this du

Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Markus Lutz]

Hello, 
I'm really not sure if the guitar isn't able to play Weiss.
Of course you'll have to change the bass lines and maybe other things too, but 
I think if someone takes care of the music and it's idiom, there is no problem.
Schneeweiss doesn't count as any proof, as he really plays what he wants to 
play. He kind of improvises on themes of Weiss - it has to do nothing at all 
with baroque music. 

But I know of some guitarist that really care about the music and might get 
some good results.. 
There is one CD by David Tannenbaum with Weiss - I don't know it -, and I am in 
contact with a German guitarist who has found Weiss and  wants to record three 
suites of it. 
Even one of the most difficult late ones in d minor. 
I hope to hear him end of April and then can tell more. 

Best
Markus

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:22:21 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:

MT> >Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too idiomatic
MT> >to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a >certain
MT> >Schneeweiss
MT> (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
MT> >who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..
MT>
MT> >Thomas
MT>
MT> Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit well on
MT> the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of different sonatas.
MT>   I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on assimilating Weiss into
MT> the guitar repertoire at all costs, should perhaps look into the possibility
MT> of a 13 string guitar.  If us lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses, is
MT> this too much to ask of guitarist's?
MT>I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in this
MT> repertoire he would have a career waiting.
MT> Michael Thames
MT> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
MT> - Original Message -
MT> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MT> To: 
MT> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
MT> Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)
MT>
MT>
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> > Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too idiomatic
MT> > to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
MT> > Schneeweiss
MT> > (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
MT> > who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..
MT> >
MT> > Thomas
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> >
MT> > "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 01:07:13
MT> >
MT> > An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
MT> >
MT> > Kopie:
MT> >
MT> > Thema: Re: Willams Concert
MT> >
MT> > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
MT> > RT
MT> >   It's called supply and demand.
MT> > Michael Thames
MT> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
MT> > - Original Message -
MT> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MT> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
MT> > 
MT> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
MT> > Subject: Re: Willams Concert
MT> >
MT> >
MT> > > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
MT> > out
MT> > > > what's the big deal about this dude
MT> > > > RT
MT> > > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
MT> > > > Michael Thames
MT> > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
MT> > > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
MT> > > RT
MT> > >
MT> > > --
MT> > > http://polyhymnion.org/torban
MT> > >
MT> > >
MT> > >
MT> > >
MT> > > >
MT> > > >
MT> > > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in
MT> > San
MT> > > >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end
MT> of
MT> > > >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing.
MT> > Two
MT> > > >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
MT> > > >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
MT> > out
MT> > > >> what's the big deal about this dude
MT> > > >> RT
MT> > > >>
MT> > > >> __
MT> > > >> Roman M. Turovsky
MT> > > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
MT> > > >>
MT> > > >>
MT> > > >>
MT> > > >>>
MT> > > >>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
MT> > > >>> Michael Thames
MT> > > >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
MT> > > >>> --
MT> > > >>>
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Re: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[Michael Thames]

>Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's >too idiomatic
>to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a >certain
>Schneeweiss
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
>who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar >("modified") ..

>Thomas

Thomas, I totally agree. However there are a few things that fit well on
the guitar,  it seems though these are only fragments of different sonatas.
  I think the solution for guitarist, who insist on assimilating Weiss into
the guitar repertoire at all costs, should perhaps look into the possibility
of a 13 string guitar.  If us lutenist's can go from 6 to 13 courses, is
this too much to ask of guitarist's?
   I think that if a virtuoso guitarist where to just specialize in this
repertoire he would have a career waiting.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:10 AM
Subject: Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)


>
>
>
>
>
> Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too idiomatic
> to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
> Schneeweiss
> (http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
> who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 01:07:13
>
> An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
>
> Kopie:
>
> Thema: Re: Willams Concert
>
> Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> RT
>   It's called supply and demand.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
> 
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>
>
> > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
> out
> > > what's the big deal about this dude
> > > RT
> > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> > > Michael Thames
> > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> > RT
> >
> > --
> > http://polyhymnion.org/torban
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in
> San
> > >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end
of
> > >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing.
> Two
> > >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
> > >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
> out
> > >> what's the big deal about this dude
> > >> RT
> > >>
> > >> __
> > >> Roman M. Turovsky
> > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
> > >>> Michael Thames
> > >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at
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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>>  I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
>> I'm not about to start now.
>> Michael Thames
>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com

>Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have
never
>opened one of them? 8^)

>Francesco

  Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, whom
I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all
together, citing health concerns.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'LUTE-LIST'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:45 AM
Subject: RE: Willams Concert


> >  I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,
> > I'm not about to start now.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>
> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have
never
> opened one of them? 8^)
>
> Francesco
>
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Re: Willams Concert

[Eugene C. Braig IV]

Since this has ventured into the realm of early guitar, I'm attaching the 
relevant address as well:

At 03:03 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote:
>Didn't JW also record on a period guitar? I think I have a record when he
>plays concerts for guitar and orchestra on a period guitar (and also saw
>this performance live).


Yes, I should not have said that John Williams makes "no effort" at period 
performance when the truth is he makes _almost_ no effort.  His recorded 
period-instrument output to date, as far as I'm aware, has been one half of 
one CD worth.  I do like the tasty recording he did of Giuliani's first 
concerto on that CD: un-truncated, which is rare (even Williams' earlier 
recordings of the Giuliani were of the truncated edition).  I like it very 
much...although I prefer Savino's on Koch.  I think the arrangement of 
Schubert's arpeggione sonata for modern guitar and strings, also on the 
Williams CD, was sadly misguided.  Yes, arpeggione is tuned like the modern 
guitar, but bowed tone color is nothing like plucked, fretted tone 
color.  The sonorities of accompaniment and soloist were functionally 
reversed from their original conception in this arrangement, and I don't 
think it really works.  It sounds somehow "mushy."  In arrangements of the 
Schubert, I think guitar in the accompaniment role to cello (e.g., by 
guitarist Dimitri Illarionov) or violin (e.g., by guitarist Göran 
Söllscher) as soloist sounds better.  Still, in general, I do like John 
Williams' work.

Best,
Eugene 




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Re: Antwort: Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> does the number of tones per second is similar to quality?
> I always thought this could only be quantity ... curious ...
> 
> Thomas
In some parts of the world, apparently. The Post-Colonial Cultural Theory
commands that such "opinions" be given equal consideration, but I, for one,
refuse to do that.
RT


> 
> "ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 16:30:51
> 
> An:"Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
> , "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Kopie:
> 
> Thema: Re: Willams Concert
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
>>> Eugene
>>> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV..
>>> RT
>> 
>> Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on
> when
>> I have problems falling asleep!
>> Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
>> notes he plays so slow.
>> 
> 
> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
> aa
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RE: Willams Concert

[Francesco Tribioli]

>  I have yet to open any of your cheesy products,  
> I'm not about to start now.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com

Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have never
opened one of them? 8^)

Francesco



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Antwort: Re: Willams Concert

[thomas . schall]

does the number of tones per second is similar to quality?
I always thought this could only be quantity ... curious ...

Thomas





"ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 16:30:51

An:"Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
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>
>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
>> Eugene
>>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
>>RT
>
>  Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on
when
> I have problems falling asleep!
>   Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
> notes he plays so slow.
>

Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
aa




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Weiss on guitar (was: Willams Concert)

[thomas . schall]

Better not! I don't think Weiss works well on a guitar. It's too idiomatic
to the lute. There is a peculiar series of recordings by a certain
Schneeweiss
(http://www.sozialprojekte.de/klassische-musik/artist-Kurt+Schneewei%DF)
who recorded much music of Weiss on guitar ("modified") ..

Thomas




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An:"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
   
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Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
RT
  It's called supply and demand.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
out
> > what's the big deal about this dude
> > RT
> > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> RT
>
> --
> http://polyhymnion.org/torban
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in
San
> >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
> >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing.
Two
> >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
> >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
out
> >> what's the big deal about this dude
> >> RT
> >>
> >> __
> >> Roman M. Turovsky
> >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
> >>> Michael Thames
> >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at
> >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Antwort: Re: Willams Concert

[thomas . schall]

Didn't JW also record on a period guitar? I think I have a record when he
plays concerts for guitar and orchestra on a period guitar (and also saw
this performance live).

Thomas




"Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 04.04.2005 23:22:56

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At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>what's the big deal about this dude...


I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I

think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost
mechanical...  However, he is magical in performance.  His tone from stage
is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is
logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when
playing outrageously difficult music.  He makes no more effort to appeal to

the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous
member) than Gould did.  That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern

world too.

Best,
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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
>>> Eugene
>>> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV..
>>> RT
>> 
>> Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on when
>> I have problems falling asleep!
>> Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
>> notes he plays so slow.
>> 
> 
> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
> aa 
I hope his lutes are not as quickly concocted as his sentences..
RT
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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up >drowned off the
>> Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica
> 
> I've found it's usually the slow drivers that cause all the problems, you
> know like driving to slow in the fast lane.
> Michael Thames
Slow works for me, especially in the intimate situations.
In any case holding up a nether orifice in a BMW in the fast lane is sheer
FUN.
RT



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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> I admit to have overdone on reverb here
> http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3
>> though.
>> RT
> I have yet to open any of your cheesey products,  I'm not about to
> start now.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
In fact, it was produced by friend in Limburg. So it is not for individuals
weaned on Velveeta.
RT


 > 
> 
>>>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>>>>> RT
>>>> And a hell of allot of reverb!
>>>> Michael Thames
>>>> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
>>>> RT
>>> 
>>> I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining ,
>>> or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound
>>> good.  Oldest trick in the book.
>>> Michael Thames
>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>> Daftness can reverberate briefly, but don't expect any sustain.
>> 
>> I admit to have overdone on reverb here
>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3
>> though.
>> RT
>> 
>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>>>>>> RT
>>>>> And a hell of allot of reverb!
>>>>> Michael Thames
>>>> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
>>>> RT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up >drowned off the
>Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica

   I've found it's usually the slow drivers that cause all the problems, you
know like driving to slow in the fast lane.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich"
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> >> I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
> >> I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me
in
> >> 1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
> >> Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like
watermelon
> >> rind.
> >> RT
> >
> > No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan.
> >
> > However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy!  If you've ever driven a
> > Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean.
> I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up drowned off the
> Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica...
>
>
> > Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver
> > syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand.
> That is not a NYC problem.
> RT
>
>
>
>
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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
>> I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me in
>> 1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
>> Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon
>> rind.
>> RT
> 
> No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan.
> 
> However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy!  If you've ever driven a
> Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean.
I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up drowned off the
Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica...


> Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver
> syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand.
That is not a NYC problem.
RT




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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>>Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like
watermelon
>>rind.
>>RT

   Back in the really old country, we say...  If a parrot keeps repeating
old sayings, he winds up in a cage.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
> >I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me
in
> >1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
> >Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like
watermelon
> >rind.
> >RT
>
> No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan.
>
>  However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy!  If you've ever driven a
> Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean.
>   Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat
driver
> syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>
>
> > >> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
> > >> aa
> > > One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone
> > > else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW.
> > > Michael Thames
> > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
> > I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat O'Brien told me
in
> > 1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
> > Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, some like
watermelon
> > rind.
> > RT
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>

Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>I admit to have overdone on reverb here
http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3
>though.
>RT
 I have yet to open any of your cheesey products,  I'm not about to
start now.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST"

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
> >>> RT
> >> And a hell of allot of reverb!
> >> Michael Thames
> >> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
> >> RT
> >
> > I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining ,
> > or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound
> > good.  Oldest trick in the book.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> Daftness can reverberate briefly, but don't expect any sustain.
>
> I admit to have overdone on reverb here
> http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3
> though.
> RT
>
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: Willams Concert
> >
> >
> >>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
> >>>> RT
> >>> And a hell of allot of reverb!
> >>> Michael Thames
> >> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
> >> RT
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
>I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me in
>1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
>Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon
>rind.
>RT

No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan.

 However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy!  If you've ever driven a
Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean.
  Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver
syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
> >> aa
> > One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone
> > else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
> I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat O'Brien told me in
> 1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
> Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon
> rind.
> RT
>
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>>> RT
>> And a hell of allot of reverb!
>> Michael Thames
>> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
>> RT
> 
> I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining ,
> or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound
> good.  Oldest trick in the book.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
Daftness can reverberate briefly, but don't expect any sustain.

I admit to have overdone on reverb here
http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3
though.
RT


> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
> 
> 
>>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>>>> RT
>>> And a hell of allot of reverb!
>>> Michael Thames
>> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
>> RT
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

Make us an MP3, and post it somewhere (fair use: Educational)
RT
__
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http://polyhymnion.org/swv

>> I used "blues" figuratively.
> 
> Actually, Williams does have a recording of "3 blues" by Charlie Byrd on a
> disc called "Spirit of the Guitar"
> You gotta hear it!
> Mark Delpriora
> Co-chair, guitar department,
> Manhattan School of Music



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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> You may, indeed, have that opinion. It may be shared with others. It is
> still only an opinion.
> JM
Like I said: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon rind.
RT


> 
> 
> On 4/5/05 8:28 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the councEl.
>>> 
>>> JM
>> You are welcome.
>> BTW, I am not disputing that JW is a great player; undoubtedly he is.
>> However he is not a musician.
>> RT
>> __
>> Roman M. Turovsky
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT
> JM
 In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.
 RT
 __
 Roman M. Turovsky
 http://polyhymnion.org/swv
 
 
 
 
> 
> 
> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
>>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
>>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
>>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>> what's the big deal about this dude
>> RT
>> 
>> __
>> Roman M. Turovsky
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
>>> Michael Thames
>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>> --
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
>> aa
> One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone
> else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well.
I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat O'Brien told me in
1987 that speed wasn't sexy.
Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon
rind.
RT



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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>> RT
> And a hell of allot of reverb!
> Michael Thames
>The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
>RT

   I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining ,
or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound
good.  Oldest trick in the book.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST"

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
> >> RT
> > And a hell of allot of reverb!
> > Michael Thames
> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
> RT
>
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Joseph Mayes]

You may, indeed, have that opinion. It may be shared with others. It is
still only an opinion.

JM


On 4/5/05 8:28 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the councEl.
>> 
>> JM
> You are welcome. 
> BTW, I am not disputing that JW is a great player; undoubtedly he is.
> However he is not a musician.
> RT
> __
> Roman M. Turovsky
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
 You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT
 JM
>>> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.
>>> RT
>>> __
>>> Roman M. Turovsky
>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 
 On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> what's the big deal about this dude
> RT
> 
> __
> Roman M. Turovsky
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
>> Michael Thames
>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>> --
>> 
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> 
> 
 
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>> RT
> And a hell of allot of reverb!
> Michael Thames
The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence.
RT



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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
>aa
  One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone
else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael
Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


>
>
>
> >
> >> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
> >> Eugene
> >>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
> >>RT
> >
> >  Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on
when
> > I have problems falling asleep!
> >   Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
> > notes he plays so slow.
> >
>
> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
> aa
>
>
>
>
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Re: Willams Concert

[Terlizzi]

In a message dated 04/05/05 7:04:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I used "blues" figuratively.
 
Actually, Williams does have a recording of "3 blues" by Charlie Byrd on a 
disc called "Spirit of the Guitar"
You gotta hear it!
Mark Delpriora
Co-chair, guitar department,
Manhattan School of Music



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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
>RT
 And a hell of allot of reverb!
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "LUTE-LIST" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
> >> Eugene
> >> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV..
> >> RT
> >
> > Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on
when
> > I have problems falling asleep!
> > Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
> > notes he plays so slow.
> >
> > Michael Thames
> Michael,
> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
> RT
> --
> http://polyhymnion.org/torban
>
>
>
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Re: Willams Concert

[ariel abramovich]

>
>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
>> Eugene
>>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
>>RT
>
>  Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on when
> I have problems falling asleep!
>   Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
> notes he plays so slow.
>

Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
aa 




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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
>> Eugene
>> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV..
>> RT
> 
> Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on when
> I have problems falling asleep!
> Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
> notes he plays so slow.
> 
> Michael Thames
Michael,
FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence.
RT
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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
> Eugene
>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
>RT

  Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well.  I usually put him on when
I have problems falling asleep!
   Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
notes he plays so slow.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> >> [Williams] arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but
just
> >> doesn't get
> >> the blues.
> >
> >
> > I certainly can't argue that.  That's why I enjoy Williams on Koshkin or
> > Domeniconi--i.e., newish music suited to technical interpretations--but
> > favor Lightnin' Hopkins, early Muddy Waters, or the ubiquitously cited
> > Robert Johnson for blues.  So this is a little closer to appropriate for
> I used "blues" figuratively.
> Lightnin' said once "Some people never get the blues, and some only get
then
> if they lose somebody in the family".
>
>
>
> > this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
> > Eugene
> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
> RT
>
>
>
>
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Re: Willams Concert...and de Visee on theorbe

[Eugene C. Braig IV]

At 10:26 AM 4/5/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:

>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..


I have, although my exposure is limited to a singular suite once heard on 
the radio. It's not on my personal shelves yet...but soon.  I like it 
too.  It struck me as being tastefully executed with a strong but fluid 
sense for the pulse.

Eugene 




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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> [Williams] arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just
>> doesn't get
>> the blues.
> 
> 
> I certainly can't argue that.  That's why I enjoy Williams on Koshkin or
> Domeniconi--i.e., newish music suited to technical interpretations--but
> favor Lightnin' Hopkins, early Muddy Waters, or the ubiquitously cited
> Robert Johnson for blues.  So this is a little closer to appropriate for
I used "blues" figuratively.
Lightnin' said once "Some people never get the blues, and some only get then
if they lose somebody in the family".


 
> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
> Eugene 
I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
RT




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Re: Willams Concert

[Eugene C. Braig IV]

At 10:05 AM 4/5/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>[Williams] arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just 
>doesn't get
>the blues.


I certainly can't argue that.  That's why I enjoy Williams on Koshkin or 
Domeniconi--i.e., newish music suited to technical interpretations--but 
favor Lightnin' Hopkins, early Muddy Waters, or the ubiquitously cited 
Robert Johnson for blues.  So this is a little closer to appropriate for 
this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.

Eugene 



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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

>> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.
> While he isn't my favorite guitarist, I occasionally do enjoy hearing John
> Williams.  I would rather hear him play guitar music than lute music, and
> his propensity to edit out variations from compositions in that form is
> slightly irritating.  I still like his work.  I hope to one day grow up to
> understand music.  Until then, I'm happy to enjoy music.
> Eugene 
That's fine. However any music that has any depth suffers horribly in JW's
hands.
He arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just doesn't get
the blues.
RT
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Re: Willams Concert

[Eugene C. Braig IV]

At 08:12 AM 4/5/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.


While he isn't my favorite guitarist, I occasionally do enjoy hearing John 
Williams.  I would rather hear him play guitar music than lute music, and 
his propensity to edit out variations from compositions in that form is 
slightly irritating.  I still like his work.  I hope to one day grow up to 
understand music.  Until then, I'm happy to enjoy music.

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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the councEl.
> 
> JM
You are welcome. 
BTW, I am not disputing that JW is a great player; undoubtedly he is.
However he is not a musician.
RT
__
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http://polyhymnion.org/swv



> 
> 
> On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT
>>> JM
>> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.
>> RT
>> __
>> Roman M. Turovsky
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
 I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
 what's the big deal about this dude
 RT
 
 __
 Roman M. Turovsky
 http://polyhymnion.org/swv
 
 
 
> 
> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> --
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Joseph Mayes]

I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the council.

JM


On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT
>> JM
> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.
> RT
> __
> Roman M. Turovsky
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
 I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
 Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
 your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
 sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
>>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>>> what's the big deal about this dude
>>> RT
>>> 
>>> __
>>> Roman M. Turovsky
>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
 Michael Thames
 www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT
> JM
In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable.
RT
__
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http://polyhymnion.org/swv




> 
> 
> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
>>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
>>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
>>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>> what's the big deal about this dude
>> RT
>> 
>> __
>> Roman M. Turovsky
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
>>> Michael Thames
>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Joseph Mayes]

You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT

JM


On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> what's the big deal about this dude
> RT
> 
> __
> Roman M. Turovsky
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
>> Michael Thames
>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>> --
>> 
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> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimar, yet >the forward spells
>it's Lorimar.  What's up?

>James

   I don't know the same thing happened to me, did you get a scolding from
Roman yet?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet the forward spells
> it's Lorimar.  What's up?
>
> James
>
>
> >  Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than
> Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar.  I believe
> Michael is transcribing them for six string.  >Your 13 string guitar
> sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning?
> Keep us posted.
>
> >James
>
> Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough,
> and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar.
>  I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss
> Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a
> lutenist.
>Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join
> the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the
> baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the
> core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any
> suggestions by you and others would be interesting.
> I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six
> to thirteen.  It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and
> Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire.
>  This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year.  As I
> said, build it and they will come.
> Michael Thames
>
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Re: Willams Concert

[JEdwardsMusic]

Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet the forward spells 
it's Lorimar.  What's up?

James


>  Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than 
Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar.  I believe 
Michael is transcribing them for six string.  >Your 13 string guitar 
sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning?  
Keep us posted.

>James

Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, 
and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. 
 I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss 
Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a 
lutenist. 
   Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join 
the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the 
baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the 
core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any 
suggestions by you and others would be interesting.
I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six 
to thirteen.  It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and 
Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire.
 This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year.  As I 
said, build it and they will come. 
Michael Thames

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RE: Willams Concert

[Stuart LeBlanc]

FYI, "Lorimar" is the name of the TV studio that produced Dallas, The Waltons,
Sybil, Helter Skelter, who knows what else.  You could make an argument that a
complete Weiss edition for guitar bears a relation to Sybil, but that's a whole
other kettle of fish.


-Original Message-
From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


>  Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than
Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar.  I believe
Michael is transcribing them for six string.  >Your 13 string guitar
sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning?
Keep us posted.

>James

Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough,
and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar.
 I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss
Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a
lutenist.
   Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join
the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the
baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the
core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any
suggestions by you and others would be interesting.
I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six
to thirteen.  It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and
Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire.
 This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year.  As I
said, build it and they will come.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Willams Concert


  In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and
working
on the rest. Soon to be published.

Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than
Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar.  I believe
Michael is transcribing them for six string.  Your 13 string guitar
sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning?
Keep us posted.

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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings?

>Best regards,
>Marion
   I believe 6, but probably with the octave indications I would
imagine. I'm looking forward to any additional info.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Lute net" 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> Michael,
>
> Bravo on your idea to make a 13-string guitar. We need more of
> them around.
>
> There are at least two luthiers in Europe who have made 13-string
> guitars. I will dig up the URLs and send them to you if you don't already
> have them. It certainly would make Weiss easier on the guitar. Even on
> an 11-string guitar, Weiss is not quite as much fun as with 13c.
>
> Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings?
>
> Best regards,
> Marion
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:32 PM
> To: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Lute net 
> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>
> >I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly
> >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string
> >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And
> >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips
> >on how to fret strings with the chin.
> >Alain
>
>  Alain,   I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string
> guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly
> realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute.
>I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With
some
> unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same
> time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the
six
> string guitar anymore.
>
> Build it and they will come!
>
>  My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
> Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and
working
> on the rest. Soon to be published.
>
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
> 
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Willams Concert
>
>
> > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly
> > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string
> > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And
> > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips
> > on how to fret strings with the chin.
> > Alain
> >
> > Roman Turovsky wrote:
> >
> > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
out
> > >>what's the big deal about this dude
> > >>RT
> > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> > >>Michael Thames
> > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> > >RT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>

Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>  Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than 
Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar.  I believe 
Michael is transcribing them for six string.  >Your 13 string guitar 
sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning?  
Keep us posted.

>James

Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, 
and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. 
 I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss 
Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a 
lutenist. 
   Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join 
the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the 
baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the 
core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any 
suggestions by you and others would be interesting.
I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six 
to thirteen.  It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and 
Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire.
 This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year.  As I 
said, build it and they will come. 
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Willams Concert


  In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and 
working
on the rest. Soon to be published.

Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than 
Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar.  I believe 
Michael is transcribing them for six string.  Your 13 string guitar 
sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning?  
Keep us posted.

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Re: Willams Concert

[JEdwardsMusic]

In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working
on the rest. Soon to be published.

  Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has 
always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar.  I believe Michael is 
transcribing them for six string.  Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to 
go; 
would you tune it to the d minor tuning?  Keep us posted.

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Re: Willams Concert

[Dr. Marion Ceruti]

Michael,

Bravo on your idea to make a 13-string guitar. We need more of 
them around.

There are at least two luthiers in Europe who have made 13-string
guitars. I will dig up the URLs and send them to you if you don't already
have them. It certainly would make Weiss easier on the guitar. Even on
an 11-string guitar, Weiss is not quite as much fun as with 13c.

Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings?

Best regards,
Marion

-Original Message-
From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:32 PM
To: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Lute net 
Subject: Re: Willams Concert

>I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly
>his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string
>guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And
>there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips
>on how to fret strings with the chin.
>Alain

 Alain,   I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string
guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly
realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute.
   I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some
unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same
time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six
string guitar anymore.

Build it and they will come!

 My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working
on the rest. Soon to be published.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly
> his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string
> guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And
> there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips
> on how to fret strings with the chin.
> Alain
>
> Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
> >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> >>what's the big deal about this dude
> >>RT
> >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> >>Michael Thames
> >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>
> >>
> >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> >RT
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: Willams Concert

[Stuart LeBlanc]

There are exceptions.  I haven't listened to any recent recordings of Aranjuez,
but I think Williams' performace with Eugene Ormandy & Philadelphia is truly
great.

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From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:57 PM
To: Eugene C. Braig IV; Lute net
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>> what's the big deal about this dude...
>
>
> I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I
> think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost
> mechanical...
That's the prevailing opinion in my circle, without the modifier "almost".
RT
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Re: Willams Concert

[Dr. Marion Ceruti]

Alain,

Thanks for the web site. The eight-string guitar has become so
popular now, you can buy 7th and 8th strings specially made for
the instrument. I use them for the 10th and 11th strings of my
11-string guitar and they make quite a difference in sound.

Best regards,
Marion

-Original Message-
From: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 4, 2005 3:02 PM
To: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Lute net 
Subject: Re: Willams Concert

I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly 
his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string 
guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And 
there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips 
on how to fret strings with the chin.
Alain

Roman Turovsky wrote:

>>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>>what's the big deal about this dude
>>RT
>>He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
>>Michael Thames
>>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>
>>
>Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
>RT
>
>  
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

FYI. his name is LorimEr.
RT
> My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
> Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working
> on the rest. Soon to be published.
> 
> Michael Thames



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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

I agree with everything you said.  Williams is a bit dry, on his recordings,
but as you've said great in concert.
  Dryness can be a good thing, at times.
  My guitars friends say if you want to here the un adulterated music listen
to Williams.
   He also play everything a notch faster than most anyone else. The forward
momentum is great.  Now we know where Barto got this from.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute net" 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> >I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> >what's the big deal about this dude...
>
>
> I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but
I
> think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost
> mechanical...  However, he is magical in performance.  His tone from stage
> is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is
> logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when
> playing outrageously difficult music.  He makes no more effort to appeal
to
> the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous
> member) than Gould did.  That's OK; old music needs advocates in the
modern
> world too.
>
> Best,
> Eugene
>
>
>
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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

>I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly
>his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string
>guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And
>there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips
>on how to fret strings with the chin.
>Alain

 Alain,   I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string
guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly
realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute.
   I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some
unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same
time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six
string guitar anymore.

Build it and they will come!

 My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael
Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working
on the rest. Soon to be published.

Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly
> his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string
> guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And
> there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips
> on how to fret strings with the chin.
> Alain
>
> Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
> >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> >>what's the big deal about this dude
> >>RT
> >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> >>Michael Thames
> >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>
> >>
> >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> >RT
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
RT
  It's called supply and demand.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> > what's the big deal about this dude
> > RT
> > He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
> RT
>
> --
> http://polyhymnion.org/torban
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
> >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
> >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing.
Two
> >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
> >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure
out
> >> what's the big deal about this dude
> >> RT
> >>
> >> __
> >> Roman M. Turovsky
> >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
> >>> Michael Thames
> >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>> --
> >>>
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>

Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>> what's the big deal about this dude...
> 
> 
> I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I
> think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost
> mechanical...  
That's the prevailing opinion in my circle, without the modifier "almost".
RT
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Re: Willams Concert

[Alain Veylit]

I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly 
his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string 
guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And 
there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips 
on how to fret strings with the chin.
Alain

Roman Turovsky wrote:

>>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>>what's the big deal about this dude
>>RT
>>He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
>>Michael Thames
>>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>
>>
>Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
>RT
>
>  
>




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Re: Willams Concert

[Eugene C. Braig IV]

At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>what's the big deal about this dude...


I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I 
think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost 
mechanical...  However, he is magical in performance.  His tone from stage 
is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is 
logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when 
playing outrageously difficult music.  He makes no more effort to appeal to 
the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous 
member) than Gould did.  That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern 
world too.

Best,
Eugene 



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Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> what's the big deal about this dude
> RT
> He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose
RT

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> 
> 
>>> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
>>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
>>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
>>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
>> what's the big deal about this dude
>> RT
>> 
>> __
>> Roman M. Turovsky
>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
>>> Michael Thames
>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
>>> --
>>> 
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
what's the big deal about this dude
RT
  He's a legend, kind of like the Who.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Willams Concert


> > I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
> > Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
> > your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
> > sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
> what's the big deal about this dude
> RT
>
> __
> Roman M. Turovsky
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
>
>
>
> >
> > PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > --
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>

Re: Willams Concert

[Roman Turovsky]

> I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San
> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of
> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two
> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?
I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out
what's the big deal about this dude
RT

__
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http://polyhymnion.org/swv



> 
> PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> --
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Willams Concert

[Michael Thames]

I here John Williams once again delivered  the goods last night in San 
Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of 
your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two 
sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one?

   PS  I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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