Re: Tutorial sample files
On Dec 29, 2013, at 3:13 AM, Richard Talley wrote: > That's true for most OS X users, but not all. > > If you want to use multi-platform programs, you have to put up with a certain > amount of non-Mac behavior. (As do Windows and Linux users, when using > programs primarily written to run on a different system.) > > I'm just glad that LyX is available on OS X, even though it doesn't quite fit > into the system the way only for OS X programs do. > > -- Rich The package builder can and should put auxiliary files next to the app bundle, not inside it. This does not complicate user-level installation since all files/folders that exist on the .dmg can be dragged and dropped as easily as a single file. Of course, this would in some cases require minor code changes but if the code is looking inside an app bundle (which does not exist on other platforms, or if so, not in the OS X form), then it has already been specialized for OS X and might as well be specialized differently. The vast majority of OS X users do not know that there is anything in the app bundle. LyX is intended for use by writers, not by hackers. Yes, I'm glad LyX is available to OS X too—really glad. I hope these comments (and others by me) are taken in the spirit in which they are intended, that is, helpful suggestions. And most of my suggestions are and will be on the user interface which might or might not be OS X-specific. Jerry > > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jerry wrote: > > > The OS X user should __never__ be required to look inside an app bundle from > the Finder (by right-clicking or Control-clicking). This is anathema to the > OS X user. > > Jerry >
Re: Tutorial sample files
That's true for most OS X users, but not all. If you want to use multi-platform programs, you have to put up with a certain amount of non-Mac behavior. (As do Windows and Linux users, when using programs primarily written to run on a different system.) I'm just glad that LyX is available on OS X, even though it doesn't quite fit into the system the way only for OS X programs do. -- Rich On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jerry wrote: > > > The OS X user should __never__ be required to look inside an app bundle > from the Finder (by right-clicking or Control-clicking). This is anathema > to the OS X user. > > Jerry > >
Re: Tutorial sample files
On Dec 26, 2013, at 4:29 PM, justin wrote: > >> On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package. >> >> Find LyX.app in your applications folder >> Right click on it and select "show package contents"The go to Contents -> > Resources -> examples >> It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient > outside of the app if you are going to use them often. [Sorry, I don't seem to have the entire thread for this.] The OS X user should __never__ be required to look inside an app bundle from the Finder (by right-clicking or Control-clicking). This is anathema to the OS X user. Jerry >> >> hope that helps >> Steve >> >> >> > > I am using Mac OS 10.9 and this trick does not work. Doing "show package > contents" shows an empty folder! Help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > > >
Re: Tutorial sample files
Happy New Year to you too. Glad you were able to find the LyX example files you were looking for. Spotlight doesn't index inside application bundles, so the Finder search behavior you describe is normal on OS X. Users normally wouldn't need to be searching inside bundles; the situation with the LyX example files is an unusual exception. -- Rich On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM, justin wrote: > Richard Talley gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so > fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see > Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue. > > > > Try this instead: > > > > > > > > Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to > Folder...' command. > > > > > > > > Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that > this > is case sensitive): > > > > > > > > /Applications/LyX.app/Contents > > > > > > > > Thank you Richard, your method worked! Also, I discovered something else > strange so will report it to you in case it helps you guys to > repair/improve > the software. With your method I go the folder and contents to display. IN > that finder window, I can also search for 'example' to fine the file > example_raw.lyx since there are so many files and folders inside. I can do > that by choosing to search within that folder. HOWEVER, if I just open a > usual finder window, and choose to search my whole computer for > 'example_raw.lyx' or even just 'example', it will not show the file. It > seems all the contents of the lyx app or folder or whatever it is, are > somehow invisible to searching, except by the method Richard has detailed. > > Anyway, many thanks to you RIchard and all you nice people who have tried > to > help. Very much appreciated :-) May you all have a lovely New Year :-) > > > >
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Richard Talley gmail.com> writes: > > > > I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue. > > Try this instead: > > > > Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to Folder...' command. > > > > Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that this is case sensitive): > > > > /Applications/LyX.app/Contents > > > Thank you Richard, your method worked! Also, I discovered something else strange so will report it to you in case it helps you guys to repair/improve the software. With your method I go the folder and contents to display. IN that finder window, I can also search for 'example' to fine the file example_raw.lyx since there are so many files and folders inside. I can do that by choosing to search within that folder. HOWEVER, if I just open a usual finder window, and choose to search my whole computer for 'example_raw.lyx' or even just 'example', it will not show the file. It seems all the contents of the lyx app or folder or whatever it is, are somehow invisible to searching, except by the method Richard has detailed. Anyway, many thanks to you RIchard and all you nice people who have tried to help. Very much appreciated :-) May you all have a lovely New Year :-)
Re: Tutorial sample files
On 2013-12-27 04:37, "Steve Litt" wrote: >If you know the filename, why don't you access a command prompt and >type: > >locate filename | more > >I guess theoretically you might have to install some stuff to do that, >but it's a wise investment. Works out of the box on Mac OSX 10.9.1 and gives $ locate LyX.app | more /Applications/LyX.app /Applications/LyX.app/Contents /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Frameworks /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Frameworks/Aspell.framework etc You can also start LyX and choose LyX > About LyX. That will give you the location of the LyX library (which should be in the LyX.app bundle) On my Mavericks, right-clicking LyX.app gives a new window with the folder Contents. As said, if that folder doesn¹t exist the program shouldn¹t work. You can also check from the Terminal: $ ls /Applications/LyX.app/ (provided that LyX is in the Application folder and named LyX.app) Hope this helps. /@nders
Re: Tutorial sample files
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:48:41 + (UTC) justin wrote: > Richard Talley gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named > > 'Contents'? > > > > > > > Thanks for coming back so quickly! Completely empty. Nothing in it > whatsoever. That's what it shows using that method anyway. I would > really love to find it, so I can learn to use lyx! Justin, If you know the filename, why don't you access a command prompt and type: locate filename | more I guess theoretically you might have to install some stuff to do that, but it's a wise investment. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: Tutorial sample files
I'm not quite ready to upgrade to Mavericks, but this technique is so fundamental to how OS X has worked since the very beginning I can't see Apple removing it. My search also came up empty on your issue. Try this instead: Open a Finder window, pull down the 'Go' menu and choose the 'Go to Folder...' command. Enter this in the resulting 'Go to the folder:' dialog box (note that this is case sensitive): /Applications/LyX.app/Contents -- Rich On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 7:04 PM, justin wrote: > > > > > That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX > actually > runs, then the app can't possibly be empty. > > > > > > > > In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually > an > application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the > case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its > contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified > previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago. > (And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.) > > > > I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your > installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to > find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a > Genius > Bar appointment at your local Apple Store. > > > > -- Rich > > > Do you know anyone who has had this method work on the new Mac OS? I have > been searching the internet for a solution, but I have not found anyone > reporting if it works or not on OX 10.9. Perhaps they changed things with > this new OS? The app itself is working, so maybe it is just keeping > everything invisible. I am not technically proficient, so I do not know > what > else to do. > > Or is there anywhere we can just download the files which will help us > learn > to use lyx? > > Thank you! > > >
Re: Tutorial sample files
> > That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX actually runs, then the app can't possibly be empty. > > > > In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually an application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago. (And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.) > > I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a Genius Bar appointment at your local Apple Store. > > -- Rich Do you know anyone who has had this method work on the new Mac OS? I have been searching the internet for a solution, but I have not found anyone reporting if it works or not on OX 10.9. Perhaps they changed things with this new OS? The app itself is working, so maybe it is just keeping everything invisible. I am not technically proficient, so I do not know what else to do. Or is there anywhere we can just download the files which will help us learn to use lyx? Thank you!
Re: Tutorial sample files
That's a stumper - an empty app would have nothing to run. If LyX actually runs, then the app can't possibly be empty. In OS X, the Finder presents an app as a single file, but it's actually an application bundle that contains the executable and other resources (in the case of LyX the other resources include the example files). You access its contents using the 'show package contents' command as Stephen specified previously. That's been true since OS X 10.0, more than a dozen years ago. (And well before that, in NeXTSTEP, from which OS X is derived.) I would suggest having a technically adept friend look at your installation, or asking at your local Apple User Group (use this site to find your local AUG: http://appleusergroupresources.com), or making a Genius Bar appointment at your local Apple Store. -- Rich On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM, justin wrote: > Richard Talley gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named > 'Contents'? > > > > > > > Thanks for coming back so quickly! Completely empty. Nothing in it > whatsoever. That's what it shows using that method anyway. I would really > love to find it, so I can learn to use lyx! > >
Re: Tutorial sample files
Richard Talley gmail.com> writes: > > > > A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named 'Contents'? > > Thanks for coming back so quickly! Completely empty. Nothing in it whatsoever. That's what it shows using that method anyway. I would really love to find it, so I can learn to use lyx!
Re: Tutorial sample files
A completely empty folder? Or a folder containing a folder named 'Contents'? On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM, justin wrote: > > > On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package. > > > > Find LyX.app in your applications folder > > Right click on it and select "show package contents"The go to Contents -> > Resources -> examples > > It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient > outside of the app if you are going to use them often. > > > > hope that helps > > Steve > > > > > > > > I am using Mac OS 10.9 and this trick does not work. Doing "show package > contents" shows an empty folder! Help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > > > >
Re: Tutorial sample files
> On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package. > > Find LyX.app in your applications folder > Right click on it and select "show package contents"The go to Contents -> Resources -> examples > It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient outside of the app if you are going to use them often. > > hope that helps > Steve > > > I am using Mac OS 10.9 and this trick does not work. Doing "show package contents" shows an empty folder! Help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Re: Tutorial sample files
On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Paul Meehl wrote: > I am new to LyX and cannot find the sample files described in the > Tutorial.pdf: > >Finally, we have written a file called example_raw.lyx to let you practice > your LYX skills. Imagine that it was typed by someone who did not know > about any of LYX’s great features. As you learn new LYX functions, we will > suggest that you fix those parts of example_raw.lyx. It also contains ‘subtle’ > hints about how to fix things.2 If you want to cheat, or check what you have > done, there is also a file called example_lyxified.lyx which contains the > same text written and typeset by a LYX master. >The example files can be found in the examples directory of LYX’s > installation folder. ... > > > I am using OS X 10.8.5. I first installed MacTex, then LyX, merely moving L > yX.app into the Applications folder, as prompted. LyX seems to work fine > ,just do not have these files on my machine. Thanks for any help to find > them. On the Mac installation, they get buried inside of the app package. Find LyX.app in your applications folder Right click on it and select "show package contents" The go to Contents -> Resources -> examples It might be a good idea to copy the folder to somewhere more convenient outside of the app if you are going to use them often. hope that helps Steve
Tutorial sample files
I am new to LyX and cannot find the sample files described in the Tutorial.pdf: Finally, we have written a file called example_raw.lyx to let you practice your LYX skills. Imagine that it was typed by someone who did not know about any of LYX’s great features. As you learn new LYX functions, we will suggest that you fix those parts of example_raw.lyx. It also contains ‘subtle’ hints about how to fix things.2 If you want to cheat, or check what you have done, there is also a file called example_lyxified.lyx which contains the same text written and typeset by a LYX master. The example files can be found in the examples directory of LYX’s installation folder. ... I am using OS X 10.8.5. I first installed MacTex, then LyX, merely moving L y X .app into the Applications folder, as prompted. LyX seems to work fine , just do not have these files on my machine. Thanks for any help to find them. Leslie J. Yonce-Meehl http://www.tc.umn.edu/~pemeehl/