Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Peter Vollan]

My buddy in Portland is snowed in with crap from his wife, it has
forced him out of his bedroom into his living room.

On 12 July 2017 at 20:03, Gary Weber  wrote:
> LOL!   My "junk pile" resides in my "Man Cave / Music studio / Computer Room
> / Hobby Room / Office" and if it ever starts to spill out, I hear about it
> pretty quickly..  ;-)
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:24 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:
>>>
>>> One correction.
>>>
>>> Step One.  Tell wife you will be using the dining room table for the next
>>> 7 months to display your new vintage computer system!  "Isn't it amazing and
>>> beautiful, honey?"
>>>
>>
>> Haha. Yeah that wouldn't fly at my house. My junk pile needs to be kept
>> separate.
>>
>> But she also intends to throw it all out, likely before I've cooled to
>> room temp
>>
>> -- John.
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

LOL!   My "junk pile" resides in my "Man Cave / Music studio / Computer
Room / Hobby Room / Office" and if it ever starts to spill out, I hear
about it pretty quickly..  ;-)

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:24 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:
>
>> One correction.
>>
>> Step One.  Tell wife you will be using the dining room table for the next
>> 7 months to display your new vintage computer system!  "Isn't it amazing
>> and beautiful, honey?"
>>
>>
> Haha. Yeah that wouldn't fly at my house. My junk pile needs to be kept
> separate.
>
> But she also intends to throw it all out, likely before I've cooled to
> room temp
>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:

> One correction.
>
> Step One.  Tell wife you will be using the dining room table for the next
> 7 months to display your new vintage computer system!  "Isn't it amazing
> and beautiful, honey?"
>
>
Haha. Yeah that wouldn't fly at my house. My junk pile needs to be kept
separate.

But she also intends to throw it all out, likely before I've cooled to room
temp

-- John.

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Chris Fezzler]

One correction.
Step One.  Tell wife you will be using the dining room table for the next 7 
months to display your new vintage computer system!  "Isn't it amazing and 
beautiful, honey?"
I tell my wife where all my toys are and that they are worth money if I go.  
She says, "that junk is in the dumpster the day after your funeral!"
LOL!



On Wed Jul 12 2017 17:05:08 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber 
 wrote:

Kurt,
The system disk must be in the drive at the time when you reset the NEC.   
Sequence is this:1. Insert the system disk into the drive2. Make sure the 
PC-8231A is connected to the SIO1 port (RJ-45 jack) on the back of the NEC3. 
Power on the PC-8231A4. On the NEC, either Either powering off and on, or hit 
the reset button, or perform a full cold start 5. The drive light comes on and 
"DISK Basic 2.0" gets loaded in a couple of seconds.
Perform these steps without the system disk in the drive and instead the drive 
light just comes on and the NEC hangs and has to be reset, so it is definitely 
reading the code from disk.
So there must be system BIOS code on both the 8201 and 8300 system ROMs that 
does some type of initialization sequence with the SIO1 port and spits out some 
command sequence and starts reading bytes after you do a system a reset.  I've 
never traced this code out in the NEC system ROM disassembly, but now I'm 
curious..
Gary


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

Gary,
Does the NEC load software from the drive on reset, or does it need a system 
disk? I'm curious as to how those additional basic features are loaded.
Kurt
 

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:49 PM, Gary Weber  
wrote:
 

 Even better news.  I got the PC-8231A drive to format a new disk.  Had to buy 
a pack of 10 new DSDD floppies.   So now this thing is fully functional and I 
feel even better about the auction which included now both a working CRT 
adapter and a drive.  The drive fully supports the reserved DSKI$ / DSKO$ 
keywords in BASIC as well, not that there would be any software out there that 
uses that these days though...
So now I have to ask myself, is it worth using?  Probably not.  Hardware this 
old that has moving parts will inevitably fail at some point and the last thing 
I need is to be heavily invested in it.  :)   Well, maybe if I could get a 
flavor of CP/M working with it...  *snicker*
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:



Thanks for the update!
If anyone can restore that drive it will be you!

On Mon Jul 03 2017 01:04:58 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber 
 wrote:

To Chris,
Good news and bad news.  
The good news:  The CRT adapter works great.
The bad news:  The NEC disk drive that shipped as part of this auction lacks 
the system disk, and therefore there is nothing to boot.   Within my archives I 
have a PC-8231A system disk *somewhere*, and hopefully I can locate it.   
Unfortunately part of the case for this drive is broken as well, so I'm hoping 
the drive itself would even still function given the abuse.   As this was an 
"as is" auction I of course accept all of this risk.  Happy to have a working 
CRT adapter again regardless..
Gary

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:

> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or 
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this... Well, there are SPI BT/BLE 
> modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't be too bad, either using the 
> bus or the parallel port... Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA 
> colour display and FAT-compatible SD card storage): 
> https://www.4dsystems.com.au/ product/uVGA_III/ Of course before long you'd 
> have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT again... FWIW, here's what an M100 
> in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture of 8x40 on a big screen TV at 
> the moment): 





   

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

Kurt,

The system disk must be in the drive at the time when you reset the NEC.

Sequence is this:
1. Insert the system disk into the drive
2. Make sure the PC-8231A is connected to the SIO1 port (RJ-45 jack) on the
back of the NEC
3. Power on the PC-8231A
4. On the NEC, either Either powering off and on, or hit the reset button,
or perform a full cold start
5. The drive light comes on and "DISK Basic 2.0" gets loaded in a couple of
seconds.

Perform these steps without the system disk in the drive and instead the
drive light just comes on and the NEC hangs and has to be reset, so it is
definitely reading the code from disk.

So there must be system BIOS code on both the 8201 and 8300 system ROMs
that does some type of initialization sequence with the SIO1 port and spits
out some command sequence and starts reading bytes after you do a system a
reset.  I've never traced this code out in the NEC system ROM disassembly,
but now I'm curious..

Gary



On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Kurt McCullum 
wrote:

> Gary,
>
> Does the NEC load software from the drive on reset, or does it need a
> system disk? I'm curious as to how those additional basic features are
> loaded.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:49 PM, Gary Weber 
> wrote:
>
>
> Even better news.  I got the PC-8231A drive to format a new disk.  Had to
> buy a pack of 10 new DSDD floppies.   So now this thing is fully functional
> and I feel even better about the auction which included now both a working
> CRT adapter and a drive.  The drive fully supports the reserved DSKI$ /
> DSKO$ keywords in BASIC as well, not that there would be any software out
> there that uses that these days though...
>
> So now I have to ask myself, is it worth using?  Probably not.  Hardware
> this old that has moving parts will inevitably fail at some point and the
> last thing I need is to be heavily invested in it.  :)   Well, maybe if I
> could get a flavor of CP/M working with it...  *snicker*
>
> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks for the update!
>
> If anyone can restore that drive it will be you!
>
>
> --
> On Mon Jul 03 2017 01:04:58 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber <
> m100l...@gweber.org> wrote:
>
>
> To Chris,
>
> Good news and bad news.
>
> The good news:  The CRT adapter works great.
>
> The bad news:  The NEC disk drive that shipped as part of this auction
> lacks the system disk, and therefore there is nothing to boot.   Within my
> archives I have a PC-8231A system disk *somewhere*, and hopefully I can
> locate it.   Unfortunately part of the case for this drive is broken as
> well, so I'm hoping the drive itself would even still function given the
> abuse.   As this was an "as is" auction I of course accept all of this
> risk.  Happy to have a working CRT adapter again regardless..
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:
>
> *> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this...*
>
> Well, there are SPI BT/BLE modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't
> be too bad, either using the bus or the parallel port...
>
> Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA colour display *and*
> FAT-compatible SD card storage):
>
> https://www.4dsystems.com.au/ product/uVGA_III/
> 
>
> Of course before long you'd have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT
> again...
>
> FWIW, here's what an M100 in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture
> of 8x40 on a big screen TV at the moment):
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Kurt McCullum]

Gary,
Does the NEC load software from the drive on reset, or does it need a system 
disk? I'm curious as to how those additional basic features are loaded.
Kurt
 

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:49 PM, Gary Weber  
wrote:
 

 Even better news.  I got the PC-8231A drive to format a new disk.  Had to buy 
a pack of 10 new DSDD floppies.   So now this thing is fully functional and I 
feel even better about the auction which included now both a working CRT 
adapter and a drive.  The drive fully supports the reserved DSKI$ / DSKO$ 
keywords in BASIC as well, not that there would be any software out there that 
uses that these days though...
So now I have to ask myself, is it worth using?  Probably not.  Hardware this 
old that has moving parts will inevitably fail at some point and the last thing 
I need is to be heavily invested in it.  :)   Well, maybe if I could get a 
flavor of CP/M working with it...  *snicker*
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:



Thanks for the update!
If anyone can restore that drive it will be you!

On Mon Jul 03 2017 01:04:58 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber 
 wrote:

To Chris,
Good news and bad news.  
The good news:  The CRT adapter works great.
The bad news:  The NEC disk drive that shipped as part of this auction lacks 
the system disk, and therefore there is nothing to boot.   Within my archives I 
have a PC-8231A system disk *somewhere*, and hopefully I can locate it.   
Unfortunately part of the case for this drive is broken as well, so I'm hoping 
the drive itself would even still function given the abuse.   As this was an 
"as is" auction I of course accept all of this risk.  Happy to have a working 
CRT adapter again regardless..
Gary

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:

> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or 
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this... Well, there are SPI BT/BLE 
> modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't be too bad, either using the 
> bus or the parallel port... Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA 
> colour display and FAT-compatible SD card storage): 
> https://www.4dsystems.com.au/ product/uVGA_III/ Of course before long you'd 
> have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT again... FWIW, here's what an M100 
> in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture of 8x40 on a big screen TV at 
> the moment): 





   

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

Even better news.  I got the PC-8231A drive to format a new disk.  Had to
buy a pack of 10 new DSDD floppies.   So now this thing is fully functional
and I feel even better about the auction which included now both a working
CRT adapter and a drive.  The drive fully supports the reserved DSKI$ /
DSKO$ keywords in BASIC as well, not that there would be any software out
there that uses that these days though...

So now I have to ask myself, is it worth using?  Probably not.  Hardware
this old that has moving parts will inevitably fail at some point and the
last thing I need is to be heavily invested in it.  :)   Well, maybe if I
could get a flavor of CP/M working with it...  *snicker*

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the update!
>
> If anyone can restore that drive it will be you!
>
>
> --
> On Mon Jul 03 2017 01:04:58 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber <
> m100l...@gweber.org> wrote:
>
>
> To Chris,
>
> Good news and bad news.
>
> The good news:  The CRT adapter works great.
>
> The bad news:  The NEC disk drive that shipped as part of this auction
> lacks the system disk, and therefore there is nothing to boot.   Within my
> archives I have a PC-8231A system disk *somewhere*, and hopefully I can
> locate it.   Unfortunately part of the case for this drive is broken as
> well, so I'm hoping the drive itself would even still function given the
> abuse.   As this was an "as is" auction I of course accept all of this
> risk.  Happy to have a working CRT adapter again regardless..
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:
>
> *> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this...*
>
> Well, there are SPI BT/BLE modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't
> be too bad, either using the bus or the parallel port...
>
> Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA colour display *and*
> FAT-compatible SD card storage):
>
> https://www.4dsystems.com.au/ product/uVGA_III/
> 
>
> Of course before long you'd have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT
> again...
>
> FWIW, here's what an M100 in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture
> of 8x40 on a big screen TV at the moment):
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Chris Fezzler]

Thanks for the update!
If anyone can restore that drive it will be you!

On Mon Jul 03 2017 01:04:58 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber 
 wrote:

To Chris,
Good news and bad news.  
The good news:  The CRT adapter works great.
The bad news:  The NEC disk drive that shipped as part of this auction lacks 
the system disk, and therefore there is nothing to boot.   Within my archives I 
have a PC-8231A system disk *somewhere*, and hopefully I can locate it.   
Unfortunately part of the case for this drive is broken as well, so I'm hoping 
the drive itself would even still function given the abuse.   As this was an 
"as is" auction I of course accept all of this risk.  Happy to have a working 
CRT adapter again regardless..
Gary

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:

> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or 
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this... Well, there are SPI BT/BLE 
> modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't be too bad, either using the 
> bus or the parallel port... Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA 
> colour display and FAT-compatible SD card storage): 
> https://www.4dsystems.com.au/ product/uVGA_III/ Of course before long you'd 
> have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT again... FWIW, here's what an M100 
> in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture of 8x40 on a big screen TV at 
> the moment): 

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

To Chris,

Good news and bad news.

The good news:  The CRT adapter works great.

The bad news:  The NEC disk drive that shipped as part of this auction
lacks the system disk, and therefore there is nothing to boot.   Within my
archives I have a PC-8231A system disk *somewhere*, and hopefully I can
locate it.   Unfortunately part of the case for this drive is broken as
well, so I'm hoping the drive itself would even still function given the
abuse.   As this was an "as is" auction I of course accept all of this
risk.  Happy to have a working CRT adapter again regardless..

Gary


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:

> *> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this...*
>
> Well, there are SPI BT/BLE modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't
> be too bad, either using the bus or the parallel port...
>
> Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA colour display *and*
> FAT-compatible SD card storage):
>
> https://www.4dsystems.com.au/product/uVGA_III/
>
> Of course before long you'd have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT
> again...
>
> FWIW, here's what an M100 in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture
> of 8x40 on a big screen TV at the moment):
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Mike Stein]

> ...it would likely be slow and limited to text only. The system bus or 
> parallel port would be MUCH faster for this...

Well, there are SPI BT/BLE modules so speed to the ModelT side shouldn't be too 
bad, either using the bus or the parallel port...

Alternatively, there are modules like this (VGA colour display and 
FAT-compatible SD card storage):

https://www.4dsystems.com.au/product/uVGA_III/

Of course before long you'd have lots of stuff hanging off the ModelT again...

FWIW, here's what an M100 in 80x24 mode looks like (can't find a picture of 
8x40 on a big screen TV at the moment):

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Kurt McCullum 
wrote:

> I hadn't even considered using a TPDD server (Android, WIndows, whatever)
> for such a purpose. I suppose it's possible to create a window that
> displays data sent over the serial port in a new display packet format.
> Though it would likely be slow and limited to text only.
>
> The system bus or parallel port would be MUCH faster for this. I think Ken
> was working on something that attached to the parallel port not too long
> ago.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
I don't think it would be that slow.

I've thought about adding that to LaddieCon before.

And FWIW, I've proven that we can get up to 38400bps on the 100 and T102
serial port.

We put up with the equivalent of a 600baud display on the Model 100 itself
:-)


Speaking of display speed, if anyone wants a fun assembly project, I think
it would be cool to modify the BASIC ROM to implement the hardware
scrolling feature of the 100 and 102. It would be a massive improvement,
based on Phillip Avery's demo

http://club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Philip%20Avery/Hardware%20Scroll

-- John.

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Kurt McCullum]

I hadn't even considered using a TPDD server (Android, WIndows, whatever) for 
such a purpose. I suppose it's possible to create a window that displays data 
sent over the serial port in a new display packet format. Though it would 
likely be slow and limited to text only.
The system bus or parallel port would be MUCH faster for this. I think Ken was 
working on something that attached to the parallel port not too long ago.

Kurt 

On Friday, June 30, 2017 9:51 AM, Mike Stein  wrote:
 

 Well, you're going to be tethered to some kind of display anyway, so another 
cable for power won't make much difference... Personally I'd still go for just 
a Bluetooth or WiFi module in the ModelT talking to a separate receiver 
connected to the display; minimal power drawn from the ModelT. As I've 
mentioned a few times that's easily done using an old headless laptop running a 
simple terminal program. We'd also need some firmware addons to handle colour, 
80x24 screen size etc., not to mention the interface to the module and of 
course the external receiver module... I wonder if the Android version of mComm 
could be used/modified; a cheap tablet with Bluetooth and HDMI could presumably 
do the job... While we're at it, maybe a $20 Android TV box would be even more 
flexible; in theory it could be both a NADSbox replacement as well as the 
display interface (not to mention watching your favourite movies and TV 
shows...) m
 - Original Message -  From: Stephen Adolph  To: m...@bitchin100.com  
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A 
+ NEC 8241A=WOW 
 I personally value not dragging another power supply around.  Something 
designed to fit inside the power capability of the M100 - hence taking power 
from the system bus - is more appealing for me personally.
 
 On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Brian White  wrote:
 
  That would get the job done, but wouldn't be as interesting or fun IMO. If 
all we wanted was a computer with a better display, then we already have that 
way way way better, and it doesn't incorporate a Model 100 at all. 
 --  bkw 
  
   On Jun 30, 2017 3:32 AM, "VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN"  
wrote:
 
 You mean : Color ? ;-)   My 2 cents: (About rebuilding a (D)VI)   As 
hardware is often a stumbling stone, would it not be easier to use a 
RaspberryPi-like or other sbc to act as a DVI ? Or an Arduino-like controller? 
In that case, development would be limited to software and some hardware 
connections. It's a single task this hardware has to perform, so it doesn't 
have to be powerful. Furthermore, it could be more flexible and adaptable to 
both Nec and Model T.   Because if you start to develop everything from 
scratch, it might turn out to be a very lengthy process…  Greetings from the 
TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80     """""
@ work( - @ )
--.ooo--(_)--ooo.- --   From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bit 
chin100.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fezzler
Sent: donderdag 29 juni 2017 23:44 
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW   Color       
   On Thu Jun 29 2017 13:51:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), John R. 
Hogerhuis  wrote:       Is the nec interface color or 
monochrome?     -- John.                                                    
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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Mike Stein]

Well, you're going to be tethered to some kind of display anyway, so another 
cable for power won't make much difference...

Personally I'd still go for just a Bluetooth or WiFi module in the ModelT 
talking to a separate receiver connected to the display; minimal power drawn 
from the ModelT. As I've mentioned a few times that's easily done using an old 
headless laptop running a simple terminal program.

We'd also need some firmware addons to handle colour, 80x24 screen size etc., 
not to mention the interface to the module and of course the external receiver 
module...

I wonder if the Android version of mComm could be used/modified; a cheap tablet 
with Bluetooth and HDMI could presumably do the job...

While we're at it, maybe a $20 Android TV box would be even more flexible; in 
theory it could be both a NADSbox replacement as well as the display interface 
(not to mention watching your favourite movies and TV shows...)

m
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stephen Adolph 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW


  I personally value not dragging another power supply around.  Something 
designed to fit inside the power capability of the M100 - hence taking power 
from the system bus - is more appealing for me personally.



  On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Brian White  wrote:

That would get the job done, but wouldn't be as interesting or fun IMO. If 
all we wanted was a computer with a better display, then we already have that 
way way way better, and it doesn't incorporate a Model 100 at all.


-- 
bkw




On Jun 30, 2017 3:32 AM, "VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN" 
 wrote:

  You mean : Color ? ;-)



  My 2 cents: (About rebuilding a (D)VI)



  As hardware is often a stumbling stone, would it not be easier to use a 
RaspberryPi-like or other sbc to act as a DVI ? Or an Arduino-like controller? 
In that case, development would be limited to software and some hardware 
connections. It's a single task this hardware has to perform, so it doesn't 
have to be powerful. Furthermore, it could be more flexible and adaptable to 
both Nec and Model T.



  Because if you start to develop everything from scratch, it might turn 
out to be a very lengthy process…

  Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
  Jan-80 """""
  @ work( - @ )
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Fezzler
      Sent: donderdag 29 juni 2017 23:44


      To: m...@bitchin100.com
  Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW



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  On Thu Jun 29 2017 13:51:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), John R. 
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  Is the nec interface color or monochrome?



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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Stephen Adolph]

I personally value not dragging another power supply around.  Something
designed to fit inside the power capability of the M100 - hence taking
power from the system bus - is more appealing for me personally.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Brian White  wrote:

> That would get the job done, but wouldn't be as interesting or fun IMO. If
> all we wanted was a computer with a better display, then we already have
> that way way way better, and it doesn't incorporate a Model 100 at all.
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> On Jun 30, 2017 3:32 AM, "VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN" <
> jan.vandenboss...@vivaqua.be> wrote:
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> As hardware is often a stumbling stone, would it not be easier to use a
> RaspberryPi-like or other sbc to act as a DVI ? Or an Arduino-like
> controller? In that case, development would be limited to software and some
> hardware connections. It's a single task this hardware has to perform, so
> it doesn't have to be powerful. Furthermore, it could be more flexible and
> adaptable to both Nec and Model T.
>
>
>
> Because if you start to develop everything from scratch, it might turn out
> to be a very lengthy process…
>
> Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
> Jan-80 """""
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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Brian White]

That would get the job done, but wouldn't be as interesting or fun IMO. If
all we wanted was a computer with a better display, then we already have
that way way way better, and it doesn't incorporate a Model 100 at all.

-- 
bkw


On Jun 30, 2017 3:32 AM, "VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN" 
wrote:

You mean : Color ? ;-)



My 2 cents: (About rebuilding a (D)VI)



As hardware is often a stumbling stone, would it not be easier to use a
RaspberryPi-like or other sbc to act as a DVI ? Or an Arduino-like
controller? In that case, development would be limited to software and some
hardware connections. It's a single task this hardware has to perform, so
it doesn't have to be powerful. Furthermore, it could be more flexible and
adaptable to both Nec and Model T.



Because if you start to develop everything from scratch, it might turn out
to be a very lengthy process…

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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Stephen Adolph]

The video adapter for the 8201 is superior to the dvi.  it has color, and
it runs of the m100 power supply.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:32 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN <
jan.vandenboss...@vivaqua.be> wrote:

> You mean : Color ? ;-)
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> RaspberryPi-like or other sbc to act as a DVI ? Or an Arduino-like
> controller? In that case, development would be limited to software and some
> hardware connections. It's a single task this hardware has to perform, so
> it doesn't have to be powerful. Furthermore, it could be more flexible and
> adaptable to both Nec and Model T.
>
>
>
> Because if you start to develop everything from scratch, it might turn out
> to be a very lengthy process…
>
> Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
> Jan-80 """""
> @ work( - @ )
> --.ooo--(_)--ooo.---
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> Fezzler
> *Sent:* donderdag 29 juni 2017 23:44
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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN]

You mean : Color ? ;-)

My 2 cents: (About rebuilding a (D)VI)

As hardware is often a stumbling stone, would it not be easier to use a 
RaspberryPi-like or other sbc to act as a DVI ? Or an Arduino-like controller? 
In that case, development would be limited to software and some hardware 
connections. It's a single task this hardware has to perform, so it doesn't 
have to be powerful. Furthermore, it could be more flexible and adaptable to 
both Nec and Model T.

Because if you start to develop everything from scratch, it might turn out to 
be a very lengthy process...
Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80 """""
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From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fezzler
Sent: donderdag 29 juni 2017 23:44
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

Color



On Thu Jun 29 2017 13:51:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), John R. Hogerhuis 
mailto:jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:


Is the nec interface color or monochrome?

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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Chris Fezzler]

Color


On Thu Jun 29 2017 13:51:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), John R. Hogerhuis 
 wrote:

Is the nec interface color or monochrome?
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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Is the nec interface color or monochrome?

-- John.

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Stephen Adolph]

yes, possibly.  the VI portion of the DVI is all you'd want, and it is
based on a Z80.   good point.  I guess both have a composite output
signal.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:59 AM, you got me  wrote:
>  "reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would even be
> possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it"
>
> The schematic for the m100's version, the Disk Video Interface, is
> available. Would it not be possible to make just the CRT adapter from that
> schematic?
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> From: M100  on behalf of Stephen Adolph
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:00:21 PM
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW
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> reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
> even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.
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> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
>> Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.   I do intend, however,
>> to
>> try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I
>> can
>> do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.
>> I
>> don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
>>
>> In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a
>> simple
>> board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..   I
>> *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on
>> it
>> and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>>>
>>> http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480
>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>
>>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[you got me]

 "reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would even be 
possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it"

The schematic for the m100's version, the Disk Video Interface, is available. 
Would it not be possible to make just the CRT adapter from that schematic?


From: M100  on behalf of Stephen Adolph 

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:00:21 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.   I do intend, however, to
> try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I can
> do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.  I
> don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
>
> In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a simple
> board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..   I
> *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on it
> and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
>
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>
>> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>>
>> http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480
>>
>> --
>> bkw
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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Kurt McCullum]

Is the NEC disk unit similar to the TPDD as far as command set goes? I guess 
another way of asking that is whether or not TS-DOS will talk to it. I know the 
NEC has a higher capacity per disk but I wasn't sure if there were more 
differences.
Kurt
 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:22 PM, Chris Fezzler  
wrote:
 

 Can't tell you how many hours and dollars I've spent researching, buying, 
restoring and collecting vintage computer to get them to look and work as 
designed.  Once I do, I kinda put them to use for a month and move on.  LOL.
I moved away from vintage computing has a hobby to music and restoring 70s era 
motorcycles.  But I still have some vintage stuff and must resist urge to 
collect and find urge to purge.  


On Wed Jun 28 2017 22:13:32 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber 
 wrote:

Hi Chris, yes I remember when you did that!  Yes I'll definitely let you know 
if the drive works.  I do also have another drive in my possession which 
probably works, but I haven't turned it on in years.  I got away from using 
magnetic media for Model T's years ago personally...
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:

I think I opened one up and took photos of one and posted them in my personal 
space on Club100 if someone wants a closer look at components. 


On Wed Jun 28 2017 16:00:33 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Stephen Adolph 
 wrote:

reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.  I do intend, however, to
> try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I can
> do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.  I
> don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
>
> In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a simple
> board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..  I
> *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on it
> and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
>
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>
>> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>>
>> http://ebay.com/itm/ 272729056480
>>
>> --
>> bkw
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Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Chris Fezzler]

Can't tell you how many hours and dollars I've spent researching, buying, 
restoring and collecting vintage computer to get them to look and work as 
designed.  Once I do, I kinda put them to use for a month and move on.  LOL.
I moved away from vintage computing has a hobby to music and restoring 70s era 
motorcycles.  But I still have some vintage stuff and must resist urge to 
collect and find urge to purge.  


On Wed Jun 28 2017 22:13:32 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Gary Weber 
 wrote:

Hi Chris, yes I remember when you did that!  Yes I'll definitely let you know 
if the drive works.  I do also have another drive in my possession which 
probably works, but I haven't turned it on in years.  I got away from using 
magnetic media for Model T's years ago personally...
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:

I think I opened one up and took photos of one and posted them in my personal 
space on Club100 if someone wants a closer look at components. 


On Wed Jun 28 2017 16:00:33 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Stephen Adolph 
 wrote:

reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.  I do intend, however, to
> try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I can
> do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.  I
> don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
>
> In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a simple
> board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..  I
> *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on it
> and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
>
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>
>> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>>
>> http://ebay.com/itm/ 272729056480
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

Hi Chris, yes I remember when you did that!  Yes I'll definitely let you
know if the drive works.  I do also have another drive in my possession
which probably works, but I haven't turned it on in years.  I got away from
using magnetic media for Model T's years ago personally...

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Chris Fezzler  wrote:

> I think I opened one up and took photos of one and posted them in my
> personal space on Club100 if someone wants a closer look at components.
>
>
> --
> On Wed Jun 28 2017 16:00:33 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Stephen
> Adolph  wrote:
>
>
> reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
> even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> > Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.  I do intend, however,
> to
> > try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I
> can
> > do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone
> here.  I
> > don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
> >
> > In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a
> simple
> > board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..  I
> > *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on
> it
> > and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
> >>
> >> http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480
> >>
> >> --
> >> bkw
> >
> >
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Chris Fezzler]

I think I opened one up and took photos of one and posted them in my personal 
space on Club100 if someone wants a closer look at components. 


On Wed Jun 28 2017 16:00:33 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Stephen Adolph 
 wrote:

reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.  I do intend, however, to
> try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I can
> do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.  I
> don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
>
> In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a simple
> board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..  I
> *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on it
> and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
>
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>
>> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>>
>> http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Stephen Adolph]

reverse engineering that device would be useful.  I think it would
even be possible to figure out how to patch the Model T to use it.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gary Weber  wrote:
> Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.   I do intend, however, to
> try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I can
> do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.  I
> don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)
>
> In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a simple
> board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..   I
> *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are on it
> and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.
>
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:
>>
>> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>>
>> http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

Just to let you all know, I did win the auction.   I do intend, however, to
try to resolve the issues with my other NEC CRT adapter if I can.  If I can
do so, I certainly would like to make that one available to someone here.
I don't want to hoard NEC CRT adapters!  :)

In fact we may want to even try to figure how to replicate it. It's a
simple board inside the thing with what I believe is fairly simple parts..
  I *think* the biggest challenge would be replicating any PROMs that are
on it and then trying to find a source for the bus connector itself.

Gary

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Brian White  wrote:

> This is the auction they're talking about I think.
>
> http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480
>
> --
> bkw
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Brian White]

This is the auction they're talking about I think.

http://ebay.com/itm/272729056480

-- 
bkw

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Mike Stein]

Displaying M10x video on a big screen is no problem if you don't mind giving up 
the RS-232 port; there are lots of display/terminal modules out there and it's 
trivial to redirect the LCD text (no graphics of course). Shouldn't be a big 
deal to hook into the system bus; I think it's been discussed but never got 
very far...

I've used a Bluetooth link to an old laptop; neat to lie on the couch playing, 
programming or puzzle-solving on the big screen across the room.

But what would really be nice is having the 24 x 80 display mode; the DVI's 
BASIC extension does this and I tried to figure out where and how it's done but 
never did get very far.

m

- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen Adolph" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW


> the CRT adapter is a very interesting device.  would love to have one..
> 
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans  wrote:
>> I used to have one of each when I had a PC-8201a. I never was able to get
>> the disk drive to work and I had no documentation for it. I happened to
>> figure out the BASIC commands necessary to use some of the functionality of
>> the video adapter, which was pretty cool. Back to the drive though, my 8201a
>> had some issues where it would occasionally lock up, so I don't know if my
>> issues were related to it or the drive.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Kurt McCullum 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had my eye out for the CRT adapter for a long time. But with three
>>> kids in college, the funds are being used elsewhere. Hope you are able to
>>> get it.
>>>
>>> The Disk drive is interesting. As I have read, the NEC units test to see
>>> if the drive is attached on boot and if it is, they load the extended basic.
>>> Has anyone ever documented this process or captured the extended disk basic?
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2017 4:45 AM, Gary Weber  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I
>>> don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement
>>> replacement out of this bundle.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Stephen Adolph]

the CRT adapter is a very interesting device.  would love to have one..

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans  wrote:
> I used to have one of each when I had a PC-8201a. I never was able to get
> the disk drive to work and I had no documentation for it. I happened to
> figure out the BASIC commands necessary to use some of the functionality of
> the video adapter, which was pretty cool. Back to the drive though, my 8201a
> had some issues where it would occasionally lock up, so I don't know if my
> issues were related to it or the drive.
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Kurt McCullum 
> wrote:
>>
>> I've had my eye out for the CRT adapter for a long time. But with three
>> kids in college, the funds are being used elsewhere. Hope you are able to
>> get it.
>>
>> The Disk drive is interesting. As I have read, the NEC units test to see
>> if the drive is attached on boot and if it is, they load the extended basic.
>> Has anyone ever documented this process or captured the extended disk basic?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 23, 2017 4:45 AM, Gary Weber  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I
>> don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement
>> replacement out of this bundle.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Kurt McCullum]

Yes it's on eBay right now. The price is already quite high. Search for the NEC 
and it will come up.
The CRT unit is really the key item. Although the drive is intriguing to me. I 
have been tempted to try and emulate it with mComm but I suspect there are two 
things that I would run into.1) I suspect there is a special boot disk that has 
the code that gets loaded.
2) Not having a drive unit, it would likely be impossible to reverse engineer 
how the NEC and the drive communicate on boot up.3) Even if items 1 and 2 could 
be solved, TS-DOS in ROM kind of makes it pointless. 

About the only advantage would be to have the drive connected to the RJ45 port 
and still have the serial port for other activities. I'm not sure how that 
would work out if there were two connections at the same time since there is 
really only 1 serial port that can switch between three ports on the back. 
 

On Friday, June 23, 2017 7:57 AM, Josh Malone  wrote:
 

 Is this an auction? I'm missing the link to whatever it is that's being talked 
about.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

I've had my eye out for the CRT adapter for a long time. But with three kids in 
college, the funds are being used elsewhere. Hope you are able to get it.
The Disk drive is interesting. As I have read, the NEC units test to see if the 
drive is attached on boot and if it is, they load the extended basic. Has 
anyone ever documented this process or captured the extended disk basic?
Kurt
 

On Friday, June 23, 2017 4:45 AM, Gary Weber  wrote:
 

 Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I 
don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement 
replacement out of this bundle.
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.





   



   

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Geoffrey Oltmans]

I used to have one of each when I had a PC-8201a. I never was able to get
the disk drive to work and I had no documentation for it. I happened to
figure out the BASIC commands necessary to use some of the functionality of
the video adapter, which was pretty cool. Back to the drive though, my
8201a had some issues where it would occasionally lock up, so I don't know
if my issues were related to it or the drive.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Kurt McCullum 
wrote:

> I've had my eye out for the CRT adapter for a long time. But with three
> kids in college, the funds are being used elsewhere. Hope you are able to
> get it.
>
> The Disk drive is interesting. As I have read, the NEC units test to see
> if the drive is attached on boot and if it is, they load the extended
> basic. Has anyone ever documented this process or captured the extended
> disk basic?
>
> Kurt
>
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2017 4:45 AM, Gary Weber  wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I
> don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement
> replacement out of this bundle.
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum 
> wrote:
>
> Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Josh Malone]

Is this an auction? I'm missing the link to whatever it is that's being
talked about.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Kurt McCullum 
wrote:

> I've had my eye out for the CRT adapter for a long time. But with three
> kids in college, the funds are being used elsewhere. Hope you are able to
> get it.
>
> The Disk drive is interesting. As I have read, the NEC units test to see
> if the drive is attached on boot and if it is, they load the extended
> basic. Has anyone ever documented this process or captured the extended
> disk basic?
>
> Kurt
>
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2017 4:45 AM, Gary Weber  wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I
> don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement
> replacement out of this bundle.
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum 
> wrote:
>
> Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Kurt McCullum]

I've had my eye out for the CRT adapter for a long time. But with three kids in 
college, the funds are being used elsewhere. Hope you are able to get it.
The Disk drive is interesting. As I have read, the NEC units test to see if the 
drive is attached on boot and if it is, they load the extended basic. Has 
anyone ever documented this process or captured the extended disk basic?
Kurt
 

On Friday, June 23, 2017 4:45 AM, Gary Weber  wrote:
 

 Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I 
don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement 
replacement out of this bundle.
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.





   

Re: [M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Gary Weber]

Thanks for the head's up, Kurt.  My CRT adapter has become defective and I
don't know how to repair it; I will hopefully get a functional replacement
replacement out of this bundle.

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Kurt McCullum 
wrote:

> Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.
>
>

[M100] NEC 8201A + NEC 8231A + NEC 8241A=WOW

[Kurt McCullum]

Already above when I have on hand but someone will score on this auction.