Adjust your locked iPhone's volume

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami


I would be very very careful when doing this trick!

Adjust your locked iPhone's volume

 You can change the volume of your locked iPhone with a simple trick.


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Re: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server.

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello SArah

No problem whatsoever. ;-)

Lynne

On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:55, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Ah oops? sorry about that. I misread the subject line lol!
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Re: AppleCare; is It Worth the money?

2011-08-03 Thread Matthew Chao
I highly recommend it.  In my case, having extended 
contracts/warranties was worth it, as I replaced a lot of equipment this way.


Matthew Chao

At 08:28 AM 8/2/2011, you wrote:

Hello everybody

I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server 
machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are 
these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was 
convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a 
server machine.


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Re: downloads window

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Will

This has been discussed at length recently on list. May I suggest that in order 
to avoid a repeat discussion you check the list archive?

Of course it's absolutely no problem discussing it again; I just thought that 
might help you get answers more quickly.

Lynne

On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote:

hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari?

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Re: Linda's Point Regarding Subject Lines

2011-08-03 Thread Gordon Lynne Smith
Linda

You are correct, but despite numerous reminder we can't get people to cooperate 
all the time.

We are trying, I assure you, but we have lives to live and a lot going on just 
now. But yet; it would be hugely helpful if people observe this request.

Lynne

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Hello everyone,

Will someone please clarify this for me? I thought their was a list rule that 
the subject heading had to identify what the email message was about- not only  
for archiving purposes  but also  so that the list members could determine if 
the message might be of interest to them without having to open up the email to 
see what it was about. Yet, in the space of only a few days, I am finding 
subject headings that leave me clueless about the contents of the email.: 
Specifically, the following subject headings confuse me:
Today: Well; that didn't take much breaking!
On July 30: Humble Pie
On July 29: Okay, it's official! Lynn is and idiot!

So,have the list rules changed? 


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Re: AppleCare; is It Worth the money?

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Matthew

This seems to be the general consensus; so it looks as though I have spent 
money well on this occasion.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 10:31, Matthew Chao wrote:

I highly recommend it.  In my case, having extended contracts/warranties was 
worth it, as I replaced a lot of equipment this way.

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Re: downloads window

2011-08-03 Thread Sean Murphy
What is the name of the RSS you get information on apple tips and scripts? 

Sean 
On 03/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script 
 on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy 
 have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol!
 On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 It is now incorporated into the toolbar.  Interact with the tool bar, you 
 will find it to the right of the google search field.
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote:
 
 hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari?
 
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Re: FTP Server software.

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Lynne:

Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank.

Thanks.


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Subject: Re: FTP Server software.



hello Jim

Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial?

Lynne


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Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover?

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Re: FTP Server software.

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Lynne:

Thanks much for the offer.

I had a look at Wing FTP and It seems quite pricey to me; especially for the 
secure version.


Thanks.

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Hello Jim

Firstly, and feel free to reply off list if you prefer. What constitutes 
Break the bank? Actually Chris beat me to it. But I asked because I'll 
gladly do some searching for you if it would help? Is it only an FTP 
server you're looking for?


Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 11:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Lynne:

Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank.

Thanks.


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Subject: Re: FTP Server software.



hello Jim

Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial?

Lynne


On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover?

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Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

This is something which we here use all the time, but others may not be aware 
of it. So I thought I would bring it to the attention of the group as it could 
save some work later if, like ours, your dock is heavily populated.

Did you know that there is an operating system shortcut for rearranging the 
sequence of items in your dock? We prefer to keep everything arranged 
alphabetically; just, I guess, because we're fussy about organisation and that 
goes for everything in our lives including our house. Anyway, I digress. The 
key combination Option+Left/Right-Arrow will allow you to move items in your 
dock into a sequence that you prefer. For example, if you have two items which 
both begin with the letters S A, you can use either the VoiceOver shortcut 
Control+Option+D or the OS shortcut Control+F3 to bring up the dock, then 
type in the first two letters of your item. But if the first one in sequence 
isn't the one you most frequently use, it can be annoying to have to move to 
the second one. So why not just move the item using the above shortcut, so that 
it;s first in your list?

To do this, highlight the item you want to move and, to move it up the list, 
use Option+Left Arrow. To move the item down the list, use Option+Right 
Arrow. We prefer to store the dock in alphabetical sequence, so that we know 
exactly where to look. Just as we know where everything is on our hard drive 
because we store things in logical places with logical names.

I just thought I'd share that, since it's something which we use a lot and 
which others may not know about. It's one of the most useful OS shortcuts in 
our opinion. Sure; i personally could drag and drop the items using the 
trackpad; but that's not the point. I always try to use Voiceover as frequently 
as I can so that I'm reasonably up on accessibility issues.

Lynne


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Re: FTP Server software.

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
hello Jim

How much does it cost?

On 3 Aug 2011, at 12:27, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Lynne:

Thanks much for the offer.

I had a look at Wing FTP and It seems quite pricey to me; especially for the 
secure version.

Thanks.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: FTP Server software.


 Hello Jim
 
 Firstly, and feel free to reply off list if you prefer. What constitutes 
 Break the bank? Actually Chris beat me to it. But I asked because I'll 
 gladly do some searching for you if it would help? Is it only an FTP server 
 you're looking for?
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 11:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Lynne:
 
 Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
 ly...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:33 AM
 Subject: Re: FTP Server software.
 
 
 hello Jim
 
 Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial?
 
 Lynne
 
 
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover?
 
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Garage band 6 help.

2011-08-03 Thread Sean Murphy
Hi All.

I have been playing with Garage Band 6. I have come to a road block and cannot 
work out what I am doing wrong.

1.  I create a new project and select piano as the instrument.
2. Turn on music typing.
3. Press 'r' to start the recording.
4. type in some notes.
5. Press r to turn off recording.
6. Press space bar to play what I have recorded and nothing comes out.

Ideas?

Sean 
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Re: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route!

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Outch! Youch! That is pricy! Woof! Woof! Wait till I get up off the floor.

That's not atypical though of Windows-based stuff and I guess that's the excuse 
for the high price. Heavens above; you could buy a computer for that, running 
OS X Server!

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:43, Chris G wrote:

$699.00 USD for the enterprise version.

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Re: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route!

2011-08-03 Thread Chris G
He did ask for accessible, he didn't say cheep.
Next time we should say  accessible and cheep.  (smile)




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Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Outch! Youch! That is pricy! Woof! Woof! Wait till I get up off the floor.
 
 That's not atypical though of Windows-based stuff and I guess that's the 
 excuse for the high price. Heavens above; you could buy a computer for that, 
 running OS X Server!
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:43, Chris G wrote:
 
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Re: Mac Access Support; Administration And List Policy, [Response]

2011-08-03 Thread Linda Mumford
You have my blessing to remove me from this list. As a retired veterinarian, 
emeritus professor, deaf-blind individual, rower, cross-county skier, and guide 
dog owner, I have in the past, and continue  do do so today, belonged to 
numerous lists. And and I have never encountered such rude list owners in my 
life. Obviously, you don't like your hypocritical boat . being rocked, because 
it was YOU Lynn. YES, YOU Lynn who posted those nonsense subject  headings!  
Finally, before you terminate me forever from this list,  I would like to point 
out that one of your  list controllers (James Austin) answered this query of 
mine on-list and posted the same question to you and Gordon!
Linda Mumford

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 I am taking the liberty of replying off list, and also carbon copying this to 
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 It has come to our notice Linda, that you have recently made a couple of list 
 administration related comments on list. Whilst Gordon and I welcome your 
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 them, (list policy, as we prefer to phrase it), not that it really matters, I 
 would point out to you that it is also stipulated in list policy that, should 
 you have any questions or comments regarding list policy, you should not post 
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Re: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route!

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Chris

On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:55, Chris G wrote:

• He did ask for accessible, he didn't say cheep.

Jim said something which won't break the bank. Does not that imply reasonably 
priced?:)

Just out of interest, is Win only an FTP server? We haven't and, now that I've 
seen the price, won't bother to try it. But I'm curious.

Lynne

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Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Dane Trethowan
Subject line asks the question smile, I now can't get this to work.

Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc.

If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, 
has anyone else had this sort of problem?


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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi Dane,

Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has 
been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, 
in which case I haven't received the update.

Regards,
Nic
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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Dane Trethowan
Right so I'm not the only one experiencing that problem so I'll have a dig 
around and perhaps write to the author if I can find contact details to see if 
there's a solution.


On 03/08/2011, at 11:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

 Hello Dane
 
 yes, it just won't run here; so we've deleted it for now.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Nic

Not Dane; but thanks for this info. I will check it out.

Lynne

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• Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling 
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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Dane Trethowan
I can't remember what version I'm running, all I know is that I updated it 
before installing OSX Lion a fortnight ago and of course! their may have been 
updates since so it will be worth my while pointing my browser to the web site 
I think.


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 Hi Dane,
 
 Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling 
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 now, in which case I haven't received the update.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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Re: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route!

2011-08-03 Thread Chris G



On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:22:18 +0100
Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hello Chris
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:55, Chris G wrote:
 
 • He did ask for accessible, he didn't say cheep.
 
 Jim said something which won't break the bank. Does not that imply 
 reasonably priced?:)
 
 Just out of interest, is Win only an FTP server? We haven't and, now that 
 I've seen the price, won't bother to try it. But I'm curious.
http://www.wftpserver.com

See Jims original message below, doesn't say anything about breaking the
bank and that is the message I responded to.

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:30:50 -0300
Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote:

 Hi Gang:
 
 Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover?
 
 Thanks.
 

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Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hello Folks:

Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to 
whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today.

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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Chris Moore
I am running Onyx here which is a similar free tool, they have updated it for 
Lion and it works a treat.
On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi Dane,
 
 Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling 
 has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 
 now, in which case I haven't received the update.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
 Subject line asks the question smile, I now can't get this to work.
 
 Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc.
 
 If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application 
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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi!

After using Cocktail for a few times, I got the issue Dane is experiencing. 
However, grabbing the file and replacing it seems to fix it again, and not 
exactly sure why.

Regards,
Nic
On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I am running Onyx here which is a similar free tool, they have updated it for 
 Lion and it works a treat.
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi Dane,
 
 Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling 
 has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 
 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 Subject line asks the question smile, I now can't get this to work.
 
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Re: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route!

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Chris

In his response to my message, that's what Jim said. :) I really don't want to 
argue, I think there's been enough of that lately. I'm not in any way having 
a go at you Chris, I was just very surprised at the price. It seems extreme in 
my view; but that's only me.

On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Chris G wrote:
See Jims original message below, doesn't say anything about breaking the
bank and that is the message I responded to.

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Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Dane Trethowan
Thanks! just downloaded the public beta and its working like a charm.


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 Hi Dane,
 
 Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling 
 has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 
 now, in which case I haven't received the update.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Jim

Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :)

You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic 
installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware.

It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional resources; 
but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan ends 3 years 
from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means they give you 2 
years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what others have said 
about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive replacement hardware 
so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to 
whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today.

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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Lynne:

I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty 
and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty.


Thanks.


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To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
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Hello Jim

Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. 
:)


You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes 
basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your 
hardware.


It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional 
resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan 
ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only 
means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't 
dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed 
them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile 
expenditure.


Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as 
to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my 
hardware today.


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ogg plugins for quicktime,

2011-08-03 Thread Travis Siegel
I was hunting for something else when I came across these quicktime  
plugins to allow ogg files to be played in quicktime, which means  
itunes will play them natively as well.
They're from the maker of the ogg format directly, so you know they  
work well. :)

So, without further ado, the url is:
ogg plugins for quicktime,
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How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?

2011-08-03 Thread Desi Noller
Hi Everyone,

I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to 
delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the finder, and 
though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be 
emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still 
are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I 
just updated it on Sunday.  Any help with this would be most appreciated!

Desi
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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Jim

That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they 
cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you 
jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Lynne:

I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty and 
whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty.

Thanks.


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 Hello Jim
 
 Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :)
 
 You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic 
 installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware.
 
 It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional 
 resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan 
 ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means 
 they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what 
 others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive 
 replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to 
 whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware 
 today.
 
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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi Lynn,
I imagine that if you are sensible about handling your machine and don't do 
things like spill coffee on it or drop it from great heights the odds are good 
they'll cover you.  Again, I've had no experience with this personally, but it 
makes sense.
Best,
Zack.
On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

 Hello Jim
 
 That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they 
 cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you 
 jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Lynne:
 
 I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty 
 and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
 ly...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple Care Question.
 
 
 Hello Jim
 
 Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :)
 
 You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic 
 installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware.
 
 It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional 
 resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan 
 ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means 
 they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute 
 what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to 
 receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to 
 whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware 
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Flaming

2011-08-03 Thread Gordon Lynne Smith
Hello everybody

This is one of those messages I wish I never had had to write. But this needs 
to be reaffirmed so I'd best get it over with now.

The list policy document located at 
http://www.tft-bbs.co.uk/mac-access-welcome.html makes it very clear that 
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bit of flaming on this list.

That, as of now, is a situation which will be rectified. As per her request, 
for instance, Linda Mumford has been removed from this group. Frankly she was 
nothing but trouble from the day she joined; and I shouldn't have tolerated it 
for as long as I did. However, she is the first member I have had to remove 
because of unacceptable behaviour. I went out of my way, on and off list, to be 
courteous and polite to that lady; so I really don't know where she gets her 
views of what constitutes Rude from. However, she's gone now and hopefully 
she might eventually see the error of her ways.

OK, so she's history; but we have to think of the future of the group. Gordon 
and I are currently having to deal with a very difficult personal situation 
whereby 2 members of our joint family are being treated for cancer. Those 
situations are obviously at the forefront of our minds; and we are devoting 
most of our time towards aiding their recovery.

Earlier this week we came very close to announcing the closure of this group, 
owing to the persistent trouble-causing which has gone on here recently. But we 
opted not to do that because it would be to the detriment of the very large 
majority of members who have behaved absolutely impeccably and totally in the 
spirit of the group's aims. However, from this point on, we will be enforcing 
the rules to the letter with regards flaming. Any member who does it will be 
moderated and, if necessary, removed; end of story. I sincerely hope it won't 
be necessary.

Gordon and I totally acknowledge that we aren't above making mistakes; and 
we've made a few recently. We too need to take more care in how we say what we 
say, and that we will do. But those who are determined, like Linda, to twist 
what others say to suit their own purposes won't be pacified in future; I will 
simply do what's necessary for the good of the group. As Leonard Nimoy (alias 
Mr. Spock) so famously said, The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the 
few; or the one. That is how it will be.

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Re: ogg plugins for quicktime,

2011-08-03 Thread Tracy Duffy
How does one install plug-ins on the Mac? Thanks.

Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape.
tracydu...@nc.rr.com




On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

 I was hunting for something else when I came across these quicktime plugins 
 to allow ogg files to be played in quicktime, which means itunes will play 
 them natively as well.
 They're from the maker of the ogg format directly, so you know they work 
 well. :)
 So, without further ado, the url is:
 ogg plugins for quicktime,
 Enjoy.
 
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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hi Zachary

I think you're absolutely right. Why should Apple replace something which is 
broken due to wilful neglect? That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:41, Zachary Kline wrote:

Hi Lynn,
I imagine that if you are sensible about handling your machine and don't do 
things like spill coffee on it or drop it from great heights the odds are good 
they'll cover you.  Again, I've had no experience with this personally, but it 
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Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?

2011-08-03 Thread Marcy Weinberg
Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the 
backspace/delete key.  The track will be gone.

You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well.

You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete.

On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to 
 delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the finder, and 
 though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to 
 be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they 
 still are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is 
 as I just updated it on Sunday.  Any help with this would be most appreciated!
 
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Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?

2011-08-03 Thread Desi Noller
Hi Marcy,

Thanks so much!  It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo 
hard!  LOL!  I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly 
questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish!

Desi



On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

 Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the 
 backspace/delete key.  The track will be gone.
 
 You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well.
 
 You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete.
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to 
 delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the finder, and 
 though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to 
 be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they 
 still are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is 
 as I just updated it on Sunday.  Any help with this would be most 
 appreciated!
 
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Re: copy path?

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
Oh I'a v heard o fit. I used to make a list of files that way via the context 
menu. If you can maybe contact the devs there might the a way to make it ac 
cessibil as I miss that little jem.

Take care.
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 hello Tracy
 
 Right, I see; you're saying it can copy the contents of a file rather than 
 the file itself into, for instance, an iTunes window?
 
 I've had a brief look at it and so far I don't seem to be able to get 
 anywhere with it with VoiceOver. So you might want to contact the developers.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:41, Tracy Duffy wrote:
 
 • I use it just to copy the text of the track list of any CD or audio file. 
 If you do a straight copy from a folder, it wants to copy the files. I just 
 need the list when posting music. In windows, this ap could do this and I 
 imagine it may do it on the Mac, but as yet we believe it is not accessible 
 with VO.
 
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Re: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think 
is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that 
shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it 
 lol!
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 Hello everybody
 
 This is something which we here use all the time, but others may not be aware 
 of it. So I thought I would bring it to the attention of the group as it 
 could save some work later if, like ours, your dock is heavily populated.
 
 Did you know that there is an operating system shortcut for rearranging the 
 sequence of items in your dock? We prefer to keep everything arranged 
 alphabetically; just, I guess, because we're fussy about organisation and 
 that goes for everything in our lives including our house. Anyway, I digress. 
 The key combination Option+Left/Right-Arrow will allow you to move items in 
 your dock into a sequence that you prefer. For example, if you have two items 
 which both begin with the letters S A, you can use either the VoiceOver 
 shortcut Control+Option+D or the OS shortcut Control+F3 to bring up the 
 dock, then type in the first two letters of your item. But if the first one 
 in sequence isn't the one you most frequently use, it can be annoying to have 
 to move to the second one. So why not just move the item using the above 
 shortcut, so that it;s first in your list?
 
 To do this, highlight the item you want to move and, to move it up the list, 
 use Option+Left Arrow. To move the item down the list, use Option+Right 
 Arrow. We prefer to store the dock in alphabetical sequence, so that we know 
 exactly where to look. Just as we know where everything is on our hard drive 
 because we store things in logical places with logical names.
 
 I just thought I'd share that, since it's something which we use a lot and 
 which others may not know about. It's one of the most useful OS shortcuts in 
 our opinion. Sure; i personally could drag and drop the items using the 
 trackpad; but that's not the point. I always try to use Voiceover as 
 frequently as I can so that I'm reasonably up on accessibility issues.
 
 Lynne
 
 
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Re: downloads window

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
mac 911 is one of them. I'll have to look again as I'm rebuilding my crap lol!
On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:

 What is the name of the RSS you get information on apple tips and scripts? 
 
 Sean 
 On 03/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script 
 on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy 
 have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol!
 On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 It is now incorporated into the toolbar.  Interact with the tool bar, you 
 will find it to the right of the google search field.
 On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote:
 
hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari?
 
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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Jon Cohn
Apple Care has been good to me over the years.

1.  The largest number of refusals has been water drops .  All the smaller 
Apple devices have a sensor that changes color with too much moisture, and if 
the sensor is marked then you are pretty much out of luck.

My daughter has a Mac Book Pro that she dropped and then the hard disk started 
to fail. We brought the system into the Apple Store told them the computer 
started acting bad after being dropped.  The Genius examined the exterior case 
and decided to replace the hard disk for free.  I expect that if the case had 
more then the occasional scratches they would have charged us.

Jonathan

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 Hello Jim
 
 That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they 
 cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you 
 jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Lynne:
 
 I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty 
 and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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 Subject: Re: Apple Care Question.
 
 
 Hello Jim
 
 Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :)
 
 You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic 
 installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware.
 
 It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional 
 resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan 
 ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means 
 they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute 
 what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to 
 receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to 
 whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware 
 today.
 
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Re: Apple Care Question.

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
Yeah they replaced my sister's macbook case for free even though her apple care 
was done in june of last year.
On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:

 Apple Care has been good to me over the years.
 
 1.  The largest number of refusals has been water drops .  All the smaller 
 Apple devices have a sensor that changes color with too much moisture, and if 
 the sensor is marked then you are pretty much out of luck.
 
 My daughter has a Mac Book Pro that she dropped and then the hard disk 
 started to fail. We brought the system into the Apple Store told them the 
 computer started acting bad after being dropped.  The Genius examined the 
 exterior case and decided to replace the hard disk for free.  I expect that 
 if the case had more then the occasional scratches they would have charged us.
 
 Jonathan
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
 
 Hello Jim
 
 That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't 
 they cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that 
 you jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Lynne:
 
 I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty 
 and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple Care Question.
 
 
 Hello Jim
 
 Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :)
 
 You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes 
 basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your 
 hardware.
 
 It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional 
 resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan 
 ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means 
 they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute 
 what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to 
 receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure.
 
 Lynne
 
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Moving files and folders on Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello All, 
I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and 
folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to 
the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also 
recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a 
Lion restart. 

Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? 

If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion?

Many thanks. 

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Re: Moving files and folders on Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi Paul,
I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files disappear after a Lion reboot.  
THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed 
Move Addict as unnecessary myself.
Best,
Zack.
On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

 Hello All, 
 I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and 
 folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to 
 the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also 
 recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a 
 Lion restart. 
 
 Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? 
 
 If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion?
 
 Many thanks. 
 
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Re: Moving files and folders on Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
 yeah really! i've had strange things happen as you all know in the ted world 
and on this list but I guess it's something to look out fore.

Take care all.

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On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:04 PM, John Panarese wrote:

  I must concur.  I've never had anything disappear that I've moved either.  
 I'm, not sure where that info came from, though in the tech world, anything 
 can happen.
 
 Take Care
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@mac-access.net
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
 
 Hi Paul,
 I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files disappear after a Lion reboot.  
 THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed 
 Move Addict as unnecessary myself.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
 
 Hello All, 
 I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and 
 folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders 
 to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I 
 also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared 
 after a Lion restart. 
 
 Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? 
 
 If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion?
 
 Many thanks. 
 
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WQuestion about 1 password on Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
I believe some of you use 1 password on Lion. 

On Snow Leopard I used to start 1 password, enter my master password, go to the 
Logins table to locate a web site of interest, and press Command+Option+Return. 
this started Safari, opened the required web page and automatically input my 
user name and password so that I am ready to do secure things. 

If I do the above on Lion Safari automatically starts and opens the correct web 
page but does not automatically fill in the name and password. If while Safari 
is open I tab back to my 1 password window and press Command+Option+Return 
again then my user name and password are usually automatically entered. However 
this is all more difficult than it was on Snow Leopard. 

I believe I am using the latest beta version of 1 password. 

Any hints on the easiest way to login to a web site using 1 password on Lion?

Sorry if this has already been discussed and I have missed it. 

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Is it possible to Move and Merge Folders in Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Zack, John, Paul and All,

I'm starting this as a new thread because I have a related question but didn't 
want to hijack Paul's original thread.

Has anyone tried merging 2 folders using just the commands in Lion? One of the 
things I like most about MoveAddict is it's intelligent and flexible behavior 
when merging folders that contain files and subfolders with duplicate names. I 
gave this a quick test using Lion's Command+C and Command+Option+V to attempt 
to merge two folders of the same name that contained a mix of different and 
same-named files. While Lion presented a warning dialog telling me a folder of 
the same name already exists, when I chose to continue it did not merge, just 
seems to have blown away the target folder and files and replaced it with the 
source. I did the usual digging for answers but didn't yet find any Lion 
command that would perform a move and merge in one stroke as MoveAddict does so 
well.

Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bryan

On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:04 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
 I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files disappear after a Lion reboot.  
 THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed 
 Move Addict as unnecessary myself.

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Re: Is it possible to Move and Merge Folders in Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread John Panarese
  Please correct me if I am entirely wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that 
if you drag a folder onto another, you have the option to merge those folders.  
Of course, now that I need the info, I can't find where I thought I had read 
it, but I am fairly certain this was a new feature in Lion.

Take Care
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On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Hi Zack, John, Paul and All,
 
 I'm starting this as a new thread because I have a related question but 
 didn't want to hijack Paul's original thread.
 
 Has anyone tried merging 2 folders using just the commands in Lion? One of 
 the things I like most about MoveAddict is it's intelligent and flexible 
 behavior when merging folders that contain files and subfolders with 
 duplicate names. I gave this a quick test using Lion's Command+C and 
 Command+Option+V to attempt to merge two folders of the same name that 
 contained a mix of different and same-named files. While Lion presented a 
 warning dialog telling me a folder of the same name already exists, when I 
 chose to continue it did not merge, just seems to have blown away the target 
 folder and files and replaced it with the source. I did the usual digging for 
 answers but didn't yet find any Lion command that would perform a move and 
 merge in one stroke as MoveAddict does so well.
 
 Any thoughts?
 Thanks,
 Bryan
 
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 On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
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 Move Addict as unnecessary myself.
 
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Re: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Esther
Hi Sarah,

Just a word of warning about migrating Time Machine backups in Lion.  You might 
want to read through the current reader reports discussions about Time Machine 
under Lion at the macintouch web site:
http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/lion/
The issue is that if you have been using a third-party NAS device for Time 
Machine backups, it may not support Time Machine under Lion due to enforcement 
of AFP authentication. Even though the standards for Time Machine support have 
been previously published, in the past many devices could support Time Machine 
without being fully compliant with the specifications, that are now required 
for Lion.  So you should check whether your NAS devices (other than Time 
Capsule) have firmware updates or other notes about support with Lion.  

Also, I recall that nearly two years ago on this list, Dane asked about USB 
modem support for dial-up and FAX, and I pointed him to Macintouch discussions 
about using a Zoom USB modem (or other device that had 64-bit support) in favor 
of the Apple (32-bit) modems that were then being discontinued.  This was also 
discussed in the above Lion related pages:

begin quote
Benoit Evans
David Charlap asked:
Is it the modem or dial-up connectivity [that Apple dropped]?
Apple dropped its USB add-on 32-bit modem from their hardware product line.
Everything else related to using the modem (e.g., dial-up connectivity and file 
faxing) still works if you have a suitable third-party USB 64-bit modem. One 
that works is the USRobotics USR 5627 (available from Amazon and other vendors).
end quote

Here are a few representative excerpted quotes on the subject of Lion Time 
Machine backup on other devices from the last few days:
begin quote
Thomas Armbrüster
There are two problems with Lion and 3rd-party NAS devices. First is the new 
authentication method, which in some cases prohibit to mount the NAS. Second is 
Time Machine, which is a completely different case. Since 2009 Apple had made 
public its Time Machine Network Interface Specification, which you can get in 
the developer documentation. And no NAS I have seen and tested in the last year 
did comply with this specification except Time Capsule. So, even if, in the 
past, Time Machine worked with the 3rd-party NAS devices, it was not supported 
by Apple, but tolerated. And Lion now takes it seriously.
end quote

begin quote
Aaron Pressman
So in regards to all kinds of server connections, especially NAS and non-Mac 
servers, Apple has really fallen down in the customer communication department. 
With little publicity, Apple has disabled many of the popular and long-used 
authentication methods that non-Mac servers rely such as Cleartxt Passwrd, 
MS2.0, 2-Way Randnum exchange, and DHCAST128. Lion Macs will only, by default, 
out of the box, authenticate via DHX2.
Good news: you can restore some of the other methods by mucking with the 
terminal. See:
  Lion Server: Connecting to legacy AFP services 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4700
Also, NAS makers are updating their software.
But this seems like a change affecting an awful lot of people and Apple should 
have been more up-front about it.
More background can be read here
 http://macwindows.com/TIP-Workaround-Lion-AFP-NAS.html
and here
 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388928,00.asp
end quote

begin quote
Meta Sienkiewicz
I will affirm that the manufacturer of my NAS hardware is working on firmware 
updates to make their equipment compatible with Lion and Time Machine. Today my 
Buffalo Tech LinkStation Live let me know there was a new firmware update. I 
went to the website to see what that was about and found that besides the 
current update there was also a Beta firmware that said it Fixed the problem 
that Time Machine backup could not be performed on Mac OS X v10.7 Lion. I am 
still running Leopard and Snow Leopard so will not need this right away but it 
is good to know Buffalo Tech is working to make things compatible for when I do 
update/upgrade my Macs.
end quote

begin quote
MacInTouch
Upgrading to Mac OS X Lion (OS X 10.7) FAQ [Drobo Technical Support]
http://support.drobo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/602

Comment
Richard Barrett
I have a DataRobotics Drobo FS NAS bought, in part, because I wanted to use it 
as a LAN Time Machine backup repository.
I was initially concerned about reports of Time Machine incompatibility with 
various NAS devices due to AFP.
The Drobo firmware update 1.2.0 described here resolved the problem:
http://www.drobo.com/support/updates/firmware/Release_Notes_Drobo_FS_Firmware_1.2.0.pdf
I now have a machine running Lion and others running Snow Leopard coexisting on 
my LAN and sharing the Time Machine partition on the Drobo FS.
end quote

This is only meant to be a representative selection to outline some of the 
issues.  Anyone who is really interested in the details of support for NAS 
devices should go read the full discussion pages.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 2, 2011, at 19:57, 

iTunes behaves differently in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Kristeen Hughes
Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering 
how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through 
my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also 
used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that 
song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to 
revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I 
just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out!

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Mac Mini Server question

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hi Gang:

I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a way 
to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen.  I nead to press 
command-f5 every time I boot the computer.

Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Sarah

I don't think this is a VO shortcut.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think 
is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that 
shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it 
 lol!
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Re: Moving files and folders on Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Paul

I lost a file like this once, and I am glad you reminded me about MoveAddict as 
I've been meaning to try it. I will go and get the latest version and let you 
know.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello All, 
I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and 
folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to 
the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also 
recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a 
Lion restart. 

Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? 

If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion?

Many thanks. 

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Re: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems

2011-08-03 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi!

No, it is not. However, if you use Vommand-Option right and left, VoiceOver for 
some reason announces the movement. Not sure why this is, exactly, since it 
seems strange to me that two commands that seemingly do the same thing act 
differently.

Regards,
Nic
On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

 Hello Sarah
 
 I don't think this is a VO shortcut.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think 
 is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that 
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Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?]

2011-08-03 Thread Esther
Hi Desi and Others,

A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can find 
answers.  First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database program, so 
when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this through the iTunes 
program, as Marcy explained.  It's like working with phone numbers or the post 
office -- the record for where to find a track or whether it's in your library 
depends on the directory that's maintained by iTunes, and not simply whether 
the track is somewhere on your computer.  If you move your track to a different 
location or delete it without telling iTunes, all it knows is that there's a 
broken link.  At best it can offer to search through you Music library location 
to try to find it, but that's very inefficient.

For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for 
VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages.  Here's the link to the one 
for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard):
http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html

For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information are 
the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, but I'll 
point to general articles.

The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, 
because there are many graphics and ads.   Here is the link to the list of 
tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to 
your iPod:

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/

For those who want to start with The Beginner's Guide to iTunes.  Here's the 
link to the mobile version of the article:
• The Beginner’s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 2009):
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/

That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and your 
device.  The mobile version of
• Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 14, 
2008) is at:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote:

 Hi Marcy,
 
 Thanks so much!  It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo 
 hard!  LOL!  I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly 
 questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
 
 Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the 
 backspace/delete key.  The track will be gone.
 
 You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well.
 
 You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete.
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to 
 delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the finder, 
 and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash 
 seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, 
 there they still are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the 
 latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday.  Any help with this would 
 be most appreciated!
 
 Desi
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Take Contro;; Free Update

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

If you bought Take Control of your iPad Basics from us, let us know. You're 
entitled to a free update.

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Re: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?]

2011-08-03 Thread Desi Noller
Hi Esther,

Thank you so much!  This is extremely helpful!  I noticed that after I deleted 
some items according to Marcy's information, the items did indeed disappear 
from my iTunes music table, but later, I still found some of them listed in a 
downloads window?  So when you delete them from the iTunes table, how then do 
you make sure they're truly deleted from your system?

Desi



On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Desi and Others,
 
 A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can 
 find answers.  First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database 
 program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this through 
 the iTunes program, as Marcy explained.  It's like working with phone numbers 
 or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or whether it's in 
 your library depends on the directory that's maintained by iTunes, and not 
 simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer.  If you move your 
 track to a different location or delete it without telling iTunes, all it 
 knows is that there's a broken link.  At best it can offer to search through 
 you Music library location to try to find it, but that's very inefficient.
 
 For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for 
 VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages.  Here's the link to the 
 one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard):
 http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html
 
 For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information 
 are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, but 
 I'll point to general articles.
 
 The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, 
 because there are many graphics and ads.   Here is the link to the list of 
 tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to 
 your iPod:
 
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/
 
 For those who want to start with The Beginner's Guide to iTunes.  Here's 
 the link to the mobile version of the article:
 • The Beginner’s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 
 2009):
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/
 
 That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and 
 your device.  The mobile version of
 • Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 
 14, 2008) is at:
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/
 
 HTH. Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Marcy,
 
 Thanks so much!  It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo 
 hard!  LOL!  I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly 
 questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
 
 Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the 
 backspace/delete key.  The track will be gone.
 
 You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well.
 
 You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete.
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to 
 delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the finder, 
 and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash 
 seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, 
 there they still are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the 
 latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday.  Any help with this 
 would be most appreciated!
 
 Desi
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Re: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?]

2011-08-03 Thread Marcy Weinberg
When you press delete, you should be presented with a dialogue asking if you 
want to send the track to the trash or keep it in the itunes library.  Sending 
it to the trash will do just that, and it will disappear forever when you empty 
the trash.

On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Desi Noller wrote:

 Hi Esther,
 
 Thank you so much!  This is extremely helpful!  I noticed that after I 
 deleted some items according to Marcy's information, the items did indeed 
 disappear from my iTunes music table, but later, I still found some of them 
 listed in a downloads window?  So when you delete them from the iTunes table, 
 how then do you make sure they're truly deleted from your system?
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Desi and Others,
 
 A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can 
 find answers.  First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database 
 program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this 
 through the iTunes program, as Marcy explained.  It's like working with 
 phone numbers or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or 
 whether it's in your library depends on the directory that's maintained by 
 iTunes, and not simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer.  If 
 you move your track to a different location or delete it without telling 
 iTunes, all it knows is that there's a broken link.  At best it can offer to 
 search through you Music library location to try to find it, but that's very 
 inefficient.
 
 For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for 
 VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages.  Here's the link to the 
 one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard):
 http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html
 
 For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information 
 are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, 
 but I'll point to general articles.
 
 The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, 
 because there are many graphics and ads.   Here is the link to the list of 
 tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to 
 your iPod:
 
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/
 
 For those who want to start with The Beginner's Guide to iTunes.  Here's 
 the link to the mobile version of the article:
 • The Beginner’s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 
 2009):
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/
 
 That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and 
 your device.  The mobile version of
 • Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 
 14, 2008) is at:
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/
 
 HTH. Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Marcy,
 
 Thanks so much!  It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo 
 hard!  LOL!  I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly 
 questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
 
 Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the 
 backspace/delete key.  The track will be gone.
 
 You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well.
 
 You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete.
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to 
 delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the finder, 
 and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash 
 seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, 
 there they still are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the 
 latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday.  Any help with this 
 would be most appreciated!
 
 Desi
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Re: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Esther
Hi Dónal,

I think that these are only issues for NAS storage devices, but I always keep 
bootable clones handy.  The post was more directed on migrating time machine 
backups.  The server authentication protocol problems are related to Paul's 
query about 1Password having to rewrite it's interfaces.  I'm meaning to answer 
that separately :)  I'd check by taking a read through the (updated) Take 
Control Guides for (Upgrading to and Running) Lion.

Cheers,

Esther


On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:59, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 Hello Esther,
 
 I presume the problems with nas storage devices don't extend to 
 bog-standard USB/Firewire external HDs?
 
 Dónal
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:12, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 Just a word of warning about migrating Time Machine backups in Lion.  You 
 might want to read through the current reader reports discussions about Time 
 Machine under Lion at the macintouch web site:
 http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/lion/
 The issue is that if you have been using a third-party NAS device for Time 
 Machine backups, it may not support Time Machine under Lion due to 
 enforcement of AFP authentication. Even though the standards for Time 
 Machine support have been previously published, in the past many devices 
 could support Time Machine without being fully compliant with the 
 specifications, that are now required for Lion.  So you should check whether 
 your NAS devices (other than Time Capsule) have firmware updates or other 
 notes about support with Lion.  
 
 Also, I recall that nearly two years ago on this list, Dane asked about USB 
 modem support for dial-up and FAX, and I pointed him to Macintouch 
 discussions about using a Zoom USB modem (or other device that had 64-bit 
 support) in favor of the Apple (32-bit) modems that were then being 
 discontinued.  This was also discussed in the above Lion related pages:
 
 begin quote
 Benoit Evans
 David Charlap asked:
 Is it the modem or dial-up connectivity [that Apple dropped]?
 Apple dropped its USB add-on 32-bit modem from their hardware product line.
 Everything else related to using the modem (e.g., dial-up connectivity and 
 file faxing) still works if you have a suitable third-party USB 64-bit 
 modem. One that works is the USRobotics USR 5627 (available from Amazon and 
 other vendors).
 end quote
 
 Here are a few representative excerpted quotes on the subject of Lion Time 
 Machine backup on other devices from the last few days:
 begin quote
 Thomas Armbrüster
 There are two problems with Lion and 3rd-party NAS devices. First is the new 
 authentication method, which in some cases prohibit to mount the NAS. Second 
 is Time Machine, which is a completely different case. Since 2009 Apple had 
 made public its Time Machine Network Interface Specification, which you can 
 get in the developer documentation. And no NAS I have seen and tested in the 
 last year did comply with this specification except Time Capsule. So, even 
 if, in the past, Time Machine worked with the 3rd-party NAS devices, it was 
 not supported by Apple, but tolerated. And Lion now takes it seriously.
 end quote
 
 begin quote
 Aaron Pressman
 So in regards to all kinds of server connections, especially NAS and non-Mac 
 servers, Apple has really fallen down in the customer communication 
 department. With little publicity, Apple has disabled many of the popular 
 and long-used authentication methods that non-Mac servers rely such as 
 Cleartxt Passwrd, MS2.0, 2-Way Randnum exchange, and DHCAST128. Lion Macs 
 will only, by default, out of the box, authenticate via DHX2.
 Good news: you can restore some of the other methods by mucking with the 
 terminal. See:
 Lion Server: Connecting to legacy AFP services 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4700
 Also, NAS makers are updating their software.
 But this seems like a change affecting an awful lot of people and Apple 
 should have been more up-front about it.
 More background can be read here
 http://macwindows.com/TIP-Workaround-Lion-AFP-NAS.html
 and here
 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388928,00.asp
 end quote
 
 begin quote
 Meta Sienkiewicz
 I will affirm that the manufacturer of my NAS hardware is working on 
 firmware updates to make their equipment compatible with Lion and Time 
 Machine. Today my Buffalo Tech LinkStation Live let me know there was a new 
 firmware update. I went to the website to see what that was about and found 
 that besides the current update there was also a Beta firmware that said it 
 Fixed the problem that Time Machine backup could not be performed on Mac OS 
 X v10.7 Lion. I am still running Leopard and Snow Leopard so will not need 
 this right away but it is good to know Buffalo Tech is working to make 
 things compatible for when I do update/upgrade my Macs.
 end quote
 
 begin quote
 MacInTouch
 Upgrading to Mac OS X Lion (OS X 10.7) FAQ [Drobo Technical Support]
 http://support.drobo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/602
 
 Comment
 Richard Barrett
 I have a 

Re: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Sarah This was exactly what I was trying to do the other night, and about which 
I posted.  I hadn't had the opportunity to attempt to play with the time 
machine from my old mac, so thanks for posting this.

Dónal
On 3 Aug 2011, at 06:57, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I could have used this! but here ya go!
 
 Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion
 
 One of the unsung features of Lion is the ability to migrate a Time Machine 
 backup from an old Mac to a new one.
 
 http://macw.us/nw8d7I
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Re: Mac Mini Server question

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Lynne:

Am I to find that option in
SERVER.APP?

Thanks.


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Go to User  Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver 
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On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is 
a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen.  I nead to 
press command-f5 every time I boot the computer.


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Re: Flaming

2011-08-03 Thread Mark Townsend
You will habe been aware today that I have requested to be removed from this 
group and that decision remains.
I am subscribed to many groups and frankly have never experienced the content 
management that has been undergoing on this group.
Yur personal situation should be kept seperate from this group and I would 
expect a higher lebel of professionalism.
Please have me removed from this group immediately and I would strongly suggest 
you reconsider and  adopt am appraoch more appropriate.
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On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:48, Gordon  Lynne Smith wrote:

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Re: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?]

2011-08-03 Thread Desi Noller
Hi Marcy,

The dialog I got was something on the order of a message telling me that if I 
chose to delete the item, it would be removed from iTunes permanently, and 
would no longer be able to sync with other devices.  I apologize for the very 
poor representation of the dialog, but I was not asked if I wanted to send the 
item(s) to the trash.  I wonder what is causing this discrepancy?  Any thoughts 
would be most appreciated!

Desi



On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

 When you press delete, you should be presented with a dialogue asking if you 
 want to send the track to the trash or keep it in the itunes library.  
 Sending it to the trash will do just that, and it will disappear forever when 
 you empty the trash.
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Esther,
 
 Thank you so much!  This is extremely helpful!  I noticed that after I 
 deleted some items according to Marcy's information, the items did indeed 
 disappear from my iTunes music table, but later, I still found some of them 
 listed in a downloads window?  So when you delete them from the iTunes 
 table, how then do you make sure they're truly deleted from your system?
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Desi and Others,
 
 A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can 
 find answers.  First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database 
 program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this 
 through the iTunes program, as Marcy explained.  It's like working with 
 phone numbers or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or 
 whether it's in your library depends on the directory that's maintained by 
 iTunes, and not simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer.  If 
 you move your track to a different location or delete it without telling 
 iTunes, all it knows is that there's a broken link.  At best it can offer 
 to search through you Music library location to try to find it, but that's 
 very inefficient.
 
 For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) 
 for VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages.  Here's the link to 
 the one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard):
 http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html
 
 For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information 
 are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, 
 but I'll point to general articles.
 
 The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the 
 site, because there are many graphics and ads.   Here is the link to the 
 list of tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying 
 content to your iPod:
 
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/
 
 For those who want to start with The Beginner's Guide to iTunes.  Here's 
 the link to the mobile version of the article:
 • The Beginner’s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 
 2009):
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/
 
 That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and 
 your device.  The mobile version of
 • Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 
 14, 2008) is at:
 http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/
 
 HTH. Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Marcy,
 
 Thanks so much!  It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem 
 sooo hard!  LOL!  I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such 
 silly questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
 
 Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the 
 backspace/delete key.  The track will be gone.
 
 You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well.
 
 You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete.
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want 
 to delete from my iTunes music table.  I tried deleting them in the 
 finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied 
 trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in 
 iTunes, there they still are.  I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or 
 whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday.  Any help 
 with this would be most appreciated!
 
 Desi
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Re: Mac Mini Server question

2011-08-03 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Hey Lynne:

Sorry to be such a pain but though I found where I can turn on Voiceover at 
the logon screen or log in automaticly, those items are unavailable to me.


Any ideas?  I must have something turned on or off.

Thanks.


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Jim

Go to User  Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver 
at the Log-in window option.


Lynne

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Hi Gang:

I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is 
a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen.  I nead to 
press command-f5 every time I boot the computer.


Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Mac Mini Server question

2011-08-03 Thread Esther
Hi Jim,

I'm not on Lion, but usually your login options are kept locked.  Is there a 
button that might be labeled something like Click the lock to make changes? 
that you can navigate to and click?  An authentication window should appear 
prompting you for your Admin password.  Then try setting up the login options 
for your account.  The pop up button for Automatic login and the check box 
for Use VoiceOver in the login window should be undimmed.  When you're 
finished, you can VO-Space on the Click the lock to prevent further changes 
button to lock things again.

Hope things are working well now for you.  Incidentally, it seems that with the 
newer Mac Mini servers that come with both Lion server and Lion preloaded, you 
don't have to go through the complicated upgrade path you faced in order to 
just use the new Man Mini with Lion.


Cheers,

Esther

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 Hey Lynne:
 
 Sorry to be such a pain but though I found where I can turn on Voiceover at 
 the logon screen or log in automaticly, those items are unavailable to me.
 
 Any ideas?  I must have something turned on or off.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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 Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question
 
 
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 Go to User  Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver at 
 the Log-in window option.
 
 Lynne
 
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 Hi Gang:
 
 I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a 
 way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen.  I nead to press 
 command-f5 every time I boot the computer.
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 
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Re: Is it possible to Move and Merge Folders in Lion?

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
It is, but I can't get it to work, or Im not doing it right.

Take care all.
On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, John Panarese wrote:

  Please correct me if I am entirely wrong, but I recall reading somewhere 
 that if you drag a folder onto another, you have the option to merge those 
 folders.  Of course, now that I need the info, I can't find where I thought I 
 had read it, but I am fairly certain this was a new feature in Lion.
 
 Take Care
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@mac-access.net
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Hi Zack, John, Paul and All,
 
 I'm starting this as a new thread because I have a related question but 
 didn't want to hijack Paul's original thread.
 
 Has anyone tried merging 2 folders using just the commands in Lion? One of 
 the things I like most about MoveAddict is it's intelligent and flexible 
 behavior when merging folders that contain files and subfolders with 
 duplicate names. I gave this a quick test using Lion's Command+C and 
 Command+Option+V to attempt to merge two folders of the same name that 
 contained a mix of different and same-named files. While Lion presented a 
 warning dialog telling me a folder of the same name already exists, when I 
 chose to continue it did not merge, just seems to have blown away the target 
 folder and files and replaced it with the source. I did the usual digging 
 for answers but didn't yet find any Lion command that would perform a move 
 and merge in one stroke as MoveAddict does so well.
 
 Any thoughts?
 Thanks,
 Bryan
 
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 On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
 I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files disappear after a Lion reboot. 
  THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually 
 removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself.
 
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Re: iTunes behaves differently in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi there!
As far as I know this is a Itunes thing!
If I'm reading some of the post's right those people who've gone to Itunes 10.4 
even in snowlepard get these issue's!
Unless someone say's different!
Colin
PS I'm still on the previous Itunes!

On 4 Aug 2011, at 01:05, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at 
 http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload 
 any logs you might think might help as well
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:
 
 Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering 
 how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow 
 through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with 
 them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it 
 would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in 
 Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or 
 is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out!
 
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Re: iTunes behaves differently in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Esther
Hi Kristeen and Sarah,

I believe this is the iTunes 10.4 update, which is separate from the update to 
OS X 10.7 Lion. It's true that this version of iTunes is supposed to be 
optimized for Lion, but I think the issues may be with iTunes rather than Lion.

Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 3, 2011, at 14:05, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at 
 http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload 
 any logs you might think might help as well
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:
 
 Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering 
 how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow 
 through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with 
 them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it 
 would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in 
 Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or 
 is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out!
 
 Kristeen Hughes
 khwi...@gmail.com
 
 

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Re: iTunes behaves differently in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Sarah Alawami
I also think so. I would still bug it. I think there's an iTunes section there. 
I could be wrong but I would also email accessibility@apple.comwith a detailed 
bug report if possible..

Take care all.
On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Kristeen and Sarah,
 
 I believe this is the iTunes 10.4 update, which is separate from the update 
 to OS X 10.7 Lion. It's true that this version of iTunes is supposed to be 
 optimized for Lion, but I think the issues may be with iTunes rather than 
 Lion.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 14:05, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at 
 http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to 
 upload any logs you might think might help as well
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:
 
 Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm 
 wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to 
 arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO 
 with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song 
 and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that 
 everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to 
 change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out!
 
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Re: WQuestion about 1 password on Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Esther
Hi Paul,

I've been reading some of the feedback comments of users of 1Password under 
Lion, and there have been many people who have been asking for revisions.  
There seem to be a number of updates being distributed.  The most recent 
official one is 1Password 3.7.1 posted yesterday.  I think this is currently a 
bit of a moving target, and the conclusion that operations are more difficult 
under Lion is not a VoiceOver only complaint.  So I don't think this has been 
discussed yet on list, and it certainly hasn't come to a resolution.

HTH.  Cheers,

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On Aug 3, 2011, at 09:56, Paul Hopewell wrote:

 Hello, 
 I believe some of you use 1 password on Lion. 
 
 On Snow Leopard I used to start 1 password, enter my master password, go to 
 the Logins table to locate a web site of interest, and press 
 Command+Option+Return. this started Safari, opened the required web page and 
 automatically input my user name and password so that I am ready to do secure 
 things. 
 
 If I do the above on Lion Safari automatically starts and opens the correct 
 web page but does not automatically fill in the name and password. If while 
 Safari is open I tab back to my 1 password window and press 
 Command+Option+Return again then my user name and password are usually 
 automatically entered. However this is all more difficult than it was on Snow 
 Leopard. 
 
 I believe I am using the latest beta version of 1 password. 
 
 Any hints on the easiest way to login to a web site using 1 password on Lion?
 
 Sorry if this has already been discussed and I have missed it. 
 
 Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Mac Mini Server question

2011-08-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Jim

No, it's in system preferences.

Lynne

On 3 Aug 2011, at 23:22, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Lynne:

Am I to find that option in
SERVER.APP?

Thanks.


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 Jim
 
 Go to User  Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver at 
 the Log-in window option.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Hi Gang:
 
 I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a 
 way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen.  I nead to press 
 command-f5 every time I boot the computer.
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 
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Crucial Website

2011-08-03 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi all

Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and 
Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I 
can't use their scanner).  So I select my machine type and model. But from 
there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts?

Gordon

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Re: iTunes behaves differently in Lion

2011-08-03 Thread Geoff Waaler
Hi Kristeen and list,

It's like swatting a fly with a hammer, but Lion installs with iTunes 10.3.  
Therefore you have the option of doing a clean reinstall of lion and decline 
the iTunes update.

Best regards.
Geoff

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  Can one go back to a previous iTunes, or is this not possible?

  Kristeen
  On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

   Hi there!
   As far as I know this is a Itunes thing!
   If I'm reading some of the post's right those people who've gone to Itunes 
10.4 even in snowlepard get these issue's!
   Unless someone say's different!
   Colin
   PS I'm still on the previous Itunes!
   
   On 4 Aug 2011, at 01:05, Sarah Alawami wrote:
   
   I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at 
http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload 
any logs you might think might help as well
   On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:
   
   Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm 
wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow 
through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. 
I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go 
to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems 
to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I 
just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out!
   
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