Re: Ipad: external keyboard and jumping to different parts of the UI

[Donal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,

That’s an excellent suggestion. Containers are not something I use often.  The 
mail app was just an example, but I take your point that this would work very 
well.

Cheers,

Dónal


On 20 Jan 2014, at 19:10, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:

> Hi Donal. I find that if you have the rota set to containers, it cuts down on 
> the number of keystrokes needed to get to the message area. Hope this helps?
> 
> Cheers
> Thuy
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2014, at 16:05, Donal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m using the iPad air with the Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard cover.  I’ll 
>> digress for a second to say that this is a lovely accessory for the iPad air.
>> 
>> I have a situation where I have a long long list of emails in one of my 
>> folders.  There are several hundred in there.  Is there a way to move to the 
>> message content (using the keyboard) once a message has been selected?
>> 
>> At present I find myself using VO-right arrow to simply move from element to 
>> element.  I can, of course, simply tap the screen at the location where the 
>> message is displayed but if possible I’d rather not take my hands off the 
>> keyboard.  I’m lazy, what can I say.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> 
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Re: Ipad: external keyboard and jumping to different parts of the UI

[Thuy Mallalieu]

Hi Donal. I find that if you have the rota set to containers, it cuts down on 
the number of keystrokes needed to get to the message area. Hope this helps?

Cheers
Thuy


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> On 20 Jan 2014, at 16:05, Donal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m using the iPad air with the Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard cover.  I’ll 
> digress for a second to say that this is a lovely accessory for the iPad air.
> 
> I have a situation where I have a long long list of emails in one of my 
> folders.  There are several hundred in there.  Is there a way to move to the 
> message content (using the keyboard) once a message has been selected?
> 
> At present I find myself using VO-right arrow to simply move from element to 
> element.  I can, of course, simply tap the screen at the location where the 
> message is displayed but if possible I’d rather not take my hands off the 
> keyboard.  I’m lazy, what can I say.
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
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Re: iPad

[Matthew Carello]

Me and my wife recently upgraded to the iPhone 5s. We each got a Mophie air 
juice pack\. These are awesome. They do not make the phone to big and I 
actually like the style. With my normal use I started it on the charging part 
at 5:30 yesterday morning. After the charger part died it went to phone battery 
and is still going as I write this email. I used some gps, read, and did some 
social stuff on it. So far this battery pack looks really worth it.
On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> An extra battery pack on the phone is still much smaller than lugging an 
> iPad.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:43 PM
> Subject: Re: iPad
> 
> 
> Not Phil but ok, I currently use my phone every day, therefore only
> getting two to three days battery life at a push. With the pad and this
> is just an example I could receive a notification on the phone but
> actually deal with it on the pad, therefore saving battery life on the
> phone.
> 
> On 06/12/2013 01:12, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>> Aside from the different layout that you get on the iPad with some apps, 
>> which some folks like and others don't, there are advantages to having 
>> more than one device. It's sort of depends on how much you use your phone 
>> every day. I know that I could not do everything on my phone that I do on 
>> my phone plus my iPad, simply because the battery would run out. And I do 
>> like the sound of the larger speaker or bigger cabinet or whatever it is 
>> on the iPad. So I do most of my reading an radio listening on the pad.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over 
>>> an iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does 
>>> that isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone
>>>> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear 
>>>> it too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 
>>>> inches, and the sound quality is great.
>>>> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
>>>> go.
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Chris.
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Re: iPad

[Glenn]

I used it on an iPod, which has the same camera specs as an iPad, and it was 
slow when it did recognize the bills.
My wife is sighted and  even pointing her camera directly at a barcode does 
not get recognized, but it works well with her iPhone.
I haven't tried an iPad with TapTapSee, I only know that the resolution is 
poor on the iPads.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: iPad


Not particularly bothered about that as I hardly use the camera.
However, does Looktel Money Reader and Tap Tap See work on the iPad and
if so how well?

On 06/12/2013 02:27, Glenn wrote:
> Keep in mind that the cameras on the iPads and the iPods don't come close 
> to
> the resolution of the cameras on iPhones.
> This means you will have trouble scanning for OCR and scanning barcodes.
> My wife has an iPad, and it cannot read barcodes, but she has no problem
> with her iPhone.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:10 PM
> Subject: iPad
>
>
> Hello everyone
> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear
> it too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8
> inches, and the sound quality is great.
> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
> go.
> Kind regards
> Chris.
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Re: iPad

[Glenn]

An extra battery pack on the phone is still much smaller than lugging an 
iPad.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: iPad


Not Phil but ok, I currently use my phone every day, therefore only
getting two to three days battery life at a push. With the pad and this
is just an example I could receive a notification on the phone but
actually deal with it on the pad, therefore saving battery life on the
phone.

On 06/12/2013 01:12, Mary Otten wrote:
> Hi Phil,
> Aside from the different layout that you get on the iPad with some apps, 
> which some folks like and others don't, there are advantages to having 
> more than one device. It's sort of depends on how much you use your phone 
> every day. I know that I could not do everything on my phone that I do on 
> my phone plus my iPad, simply because the battery would run out. And I do 
> like the sound of the larger speaker or bigger cabinet or whatever it is 
> on the iPad. So I do most of my reading an radio listening on the pad.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
>> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over 
>> an iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does 
>> that isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone
>>> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear 
>>> it too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 
>>> inches, and the sound quality is great.
>>> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
>>> go.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Chris.
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Re: iPad

[Chris H]

Not Phil but ok, I currently use my phone every day, therefore only 
getting two to three days battery life at a push. With the pad and this 
is just an example I could receive a notification on the phone but 
actually deal with it on the pad, therefore saving battery life on the 
phone.


On 06/12/2013 01:12, Mary Otten wrote:

Hi Phil,
Aside from the different layout that you get on the iPad with some apps, which 
some folks like and others don't, there are advantages to having more than one 
device. It's sort of depends on how much you use your phone every day. I know 
that I could not do everything on my phone that I do on my phone plus my iPad, 
simply because the battery would run out. And I do like the sound of the larger 
speaker or bigger cabinet or whatever it is on the iPad. So I do most of my 
reading an radio listening on the pad.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:


I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that isn't 
available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?


On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:


Hello everyone
thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it too. 
She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, and the 
sound quality is great.
So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
Kind regards
Chris.
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Re: iPad

[Chris H]

Not particularly bothered about that as I hardly use the camera. 
However, does Looktel Money Reader and Tap Tap See work on the iPad and 
if so how well?


On 06/12/2013 02:27, Glenn wrote:

Keep in mind that the cameras on the iPads and the iPods don't come close to
the resolution of the cameras on iPhones.
This means you will have trouble scanning for OCR and scanning barcodes.
My wife has an iPad, and it cannot read barcodes, but she has no problem
with her iPhone.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Chris H" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: iPad


Hello everyone
thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear
it too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8
inches, and the sound quality is great.
So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
Kind regards
Chris.
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Re: iPad

[Mary Otten]

Glenn, the new iPad has the exact same processor as the newest iPhone. Same for 
the new mini. So how can you say it's processor is any worse? Plus it gets 
excellent battery life, better than the iPhone. Yes it is larger. But 
especially for the mini, it's not that big a deal. If you use your device a lot 
a single iPhone won't cut it. That is, unless you want to carry around some 
kind of external battery. Talk about the hassle. I love the iPhone. But since I 
use my iOS devices for so much, I'm very grateful to have the iPad mini. If I 
didn't want a phone, I would probably just have a mini if I can only have one 
device.
Mary


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On Dec 5, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> Its processor is not as good, and camera is significantly lesser, and it is 
> bulky in comparison.  And I don't know if they have GPS in them.
> The speakers are much better, but heck, with decent bluetooth speakers that 
> are affordable, I see its speaker as a non-issue.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Halton" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: iPad
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
> iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that 
> isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone
>> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it 
>> too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, 
>> and the sound quality is great.
>> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
>> go.
>> Kind regards
>> Chris.
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Re: iPad

[Glenn]

Keep in mind that the cameras on the iPads and the iPods don't come close to 
the resolution of the cameras on iPhones.
This means you will have trouble scanning for OCR and scanning barcodes.
My wife has an iPad, and it cannot read barcodes, but she has no problem 
with her iPhone.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: iPad


Hello everyone
thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear
it too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8
inches, and the sound quality is great.
So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
Kind regards
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Re: iPad

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Its processor is not as good, and camera is significantly lesser, and it is 
bulky in comparison.  And I don't know if they have GPS in them.
The speakers are much better, but heck, with decent bluetooth speakers that 
are affordable, I see its speaker as a non-issue.
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: iPad


I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that 
isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?


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> and the sound quality is great.
> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
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Re: iPad

[Mary Otten]

Hi Phil,
Aside from the different layout that you get on the iPad with some apps, which 
some folks like and others don't, there are advantages to having more than one 
device. It's sort of depends on how much you use your phone every day. I know 
that I could not do everything on my phone that I do on my phone plus my iPad, 
simply because the battery would run out. And I do like the sound of the larger 
speaker or bigger cabinet or whatever it is on the iPad. So I do most of my 
reading an radio listening on the pad.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
> iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that 
> isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone
>> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it 
>> too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, 
>> and the sound quality is great.
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>> Kind regards
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RE: iPad and pages

[Linda C. Knight]

Hi all,

I also have the iPad 3 and the iPhone.

I use the iPad for music as I am deafblind and the larger speaker sounds so
much basier.

I also use the iPad for reading and I am thinking of putting pages on it.
Does anyone know if the pages will work on the iPad and I can do documents
and send via dropbox to computer to print? Would this be possible?


Hugs and 73
Linda C. Knight & shirley
CallSign: kk4hrg
Please note email:
l...@tampabay.rr.com


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Re: ipad air: syncing non apple mail accounts.

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Gurrrh, as they say.  Oh well manual it is then.

Cheers Zack.
On 5 Dec 2013, at 23:15, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I think manual is your only option, I'm afraid. I'm not sure why they 
> eliminated the options from iTunes, but they appear to have done so.
> Best,
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Re: ipad air: syncing non apple mail accounts.

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I think manual is your only option, I'm afraid. I'm not sure why they 
eliminated the options from iTunes, but they appear to have done so.
Best,
Zack.

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Re: iPad

[Dane Trethowan]

I use my iPad as there are situations where an iPhone is inpractical to 
use with some Apps because of its small screen.


Mostly I use the iPad as an Internet radio or music player as the 
speaker in my iPad III sounded damn good, I also prefer this device for 
when I'm reading iBooks.


I just sold my iPad III and will be upgrading to an iPad Air shortly 
where the sound is supposed to be better again, the iPad Air has stereo 
speakers, is 30% lighter than the iPad III so it will be even more 
comfortable to use etc.



On 6/12/2013 10:03 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie wrote:

Hi,
I have both an i phone and an i pad 2.

I love the portability of the i phone, obviously.

I mainly use the i pad at home or in places like Starbuck’s.  for longer 
sessions of reading and writing, it’s more comfortable for me, ergonomically.  
I am totally blind, so screen size doesn’t mean anything visually, but the 
larger real estate does make a difference for typing and gestures.

It really does come down to personal preference and also, of course, finances.  
Also, with the i pad, of course, you can only make calls from a wifi spot, with 
things like Skype.

hth,
Cait

On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that isn't 
available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?


On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:


Hello everyone
thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it too. 
She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, and the 
sound quality is great.
So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
Kind regards
Chris.
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Hi,
I have both an i phone and an i pad 2.

I love the portability of the i phone, obviously.

I mainly use the i pad at home or in places like Starbuck’s.  for longer 
sessions of reading and writing, it’s more comfortable for me, ergonomically.  
I am totally blind, so screen size doesn’t mean anything visually, but the 
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It really does come down to personal preference and also, of course, finances.  
Also, with the i pad, of course, you can only make calls from a wifi spot, with 
things like Skype.

hth,
Cait

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> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
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> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
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>> and the sound quality is great.
>> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
>> Kind regards
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Re: iPad

[Phil Halton]

I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that isn't 
available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?


On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> Hello everyone
> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it 
> too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, and 
> the sound quality is great.
> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
> Kind regards
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Re: iPad mini

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Speaking of media content I currently use headphones which I plug into 
my laptop for listening to music as I do not like the sound of music, no 
pung intended, using the internal speakers. On the mac it's really good. 
Is it the same on the iPad?


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On 15/11/2013 12:37, William Lomas wrote:

i'd get one for yourself too; if you like media content, podcasts etc. it is a 
great little tablet to use. i don't like the web navigation much now on safari

On 15 Nov 2013, at 12:26, Chris H  wrote:


Hello everyone
just a quick message to say there might be an iPad mini owner in the family at 
Christmas as I'm hoping my half brothers get one for Christmas from our 
parents. Father rung me and asked what one can do with a wifi tablet and tole 
them. I then gave a sort of a hint to consider the iPad or iPad mini for two 
reasons.
1. They have an iPod Touch already so makes sense to get a tablet running on 
the same platform.
2. Since I am a devoted Apple user and helper I will be able to offer help for 
an iPad or iPad mini instead of what they liked the look of; a Samsung tablet. 
Sorry to sneak that in there grin.
Keep you posted as if they do get the mini I am hoping to feel and have a brief 
play with it. Note they are not VoiceOver users but I am.
Any comments welcome.

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Re: iPad mini

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i'd get one for yourself too; if you like media content, podcasts etc. it is a 
great little tablet to use. i don't like the web navigation much now on safari 

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> Hello everyone
> just a quick message to say there might be an iPad mini owner in the family 
> at Christmas as I'm hoping my half brothers get one for Christmas from our 
> parents. Father rung me and asked what one can do with a wifi tablet and tole 
> them. I then gave a sort of a hint to consider the iPad or iPad mini for two 
> reasons.
> 1. They have an iPod Touch already so makes sense to get a tablet running on 
> the same platform.
> 2. Since I am a devoted Apple user and helper I will be able to offer help 
> for an iPad or iPad mini instead of what they liked the look of; a Samsung 
> tablet. Sorry to sneak that in there grin.
> Keep you posted as if they do get the mini I am hoping to feel and have a 
> brief play with it. Note they are not VoiceOver users but I am.
> Any comments welcome.
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Re: ipad Mini setup question.

[Matthew Carello]

Hello Jim. The iPad is set up quite different than the IPhone. For instance in 
settings there are containers. You have the main settings screen and say you 
double tap on something like accessibility it will put those items under the 
main one. www.applevis.com has a very well done podcast on setting up an IPad 
mini. I also know you can set up gestures for it and that podcast goes into 
that also.
On Sep 4, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

> Hi Folks:
> 
> I have a persons iPad Mini here to set up for accessibility. My question is, 
> is there any options that I can change on the iPad that are not found in the 
> iPhone setup? For example, while in the iPad Mini setup menu, one can go in 
> and out of the setup catagory without meaning to.  Is there a way to prevent 
> that  from happening?
> 
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Re: iPad; A Grand New Experiment

[Sarah k Alawami]

Yeah. the setting ints section is actually decided in to sections. thats what I 
don't like but over all it is a pretty good experience. Tru I don't care for it 
but th ereason I'm practicing on one is because I might have to teach or demo 
on one one day.

Take care.
On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> I hate the iPad, I have used one that a Blind friend uses, and my sighted 
> wife's.
> It seems that they don't react to the touch as well as an iPhone or iPod.
> I also don't like the way separate windows, like in settings, don't give you 
> a back button, and it is hard to get back down to a nested button.
> I wonder how an iPad Mini compares.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: iPad; A Grand New Experiment
> 
> 
> to read continues text it is the same gesture as the iPhone, I think. it's a 
> 2 finger swipe up.
> 
> I'm glad you are enjoying the iPad. I don't know how to use one that well 
> but I have to learn on my mom's in case she needs help lol!
> 
> Take care.
> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Martin G. McCormick 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Saturday, my wife and I walked in to a local business
>> that sells computers and entertainment electronics and I bought
>> a shiny new iPad, a protective case and a second router to act
>> as a WiFi repeater as the signal in the room I use for amateur
>> radio and general tinkering only shows around 50% signal if you
>> hold your mouth just right.
>> 
>> I haven't set up the new router yet, but I did get
>> started on the iPad. It is an iPad 4 and I already made one
>> major mistake when going through the setup. Somehow, I set the
>> language to what was probably a form of Chinese. Chinese is
>> Greek to me as I don't understand a word of either one.
>> 
>> I wasn't sure what to do so I did a google search for
>> iPad and wrong language and I found out that some other poor
>> bloaks have done the same thing. One had set his to Portuguese and
>> some of the answers were not terribly reassuring such as getting
>> in to iTunes, doing some sort of monster restore and then, let's
>> see; the egg rolls down the shoot, hits the little man who falls
>> in to a basket of ping-pong balls and one of them hits a switch
>> which rings the bell.
>> 
>> Just kidding about all that, but not about the iTunes
>> interaction and the huge restore. The fellow with the Portuguese
>> iPad had actually tried this and the download took several hours
>> on his connection and been interrupted several times.
>> 
>> One person suggested that he get back in to the language
>> selection screen, find his language again and tap the blue icon
>> in the upper right corner.
>> 
>> Basically, keep trying that until the iPad starts
>> speaking your language again.
>> 
>> I wasn't sure which way the iPad is supposed to face the
>> user so I started looking for something that might help on line.
>> I ran across something that discussed changing your screen
>> layout and it accidentally mentioned the speaker at the bottom.
>> 
>> This was an aha moment and I realized that mine was
>> upside down. Voiceover sounds the same when you read it upside
>> down, especially in Chinese.
>> 
>> I turned it right side up, found a link which said
>> something in Chinese followed by American-sounding English and
>> then double-tapped the upper-right corner.
>> 
>> It was a miracle!! English began emerging once again and
>> I was able to finish setup.
>> 
>> One of the things I bought was a bluetooth keyboard. I
>> really wasn't able to get to the settings screen to use it,
>> however, until I had finished Setup. I even used the on-screen
>> keyboard to enter the password for our WiFi network and I think
>> it took ten tries. I am not sure if it was due to a weak
>> wireless signal or what but I sure wished for that keyboard at
>> the time.
>> 
>> Sometime after I selected to use location services, the
>> clock at the top of the screen switched to Central Standard Time
>> indicating that the GPS receiver had locked on to enough
>> information to work properly.
>> 
>> I turned on the siri application and asked "What time is
>> it?" It told me the time and said I was in Stillwater. That is
>> kind of interesting in that it is perfectly true but there are
>> several Stillwaters in the United States. One is Stillwa

Re: iPad; A Grand New Experiment

[Glenn]

I hate the iPad, I have used one that a Blind friend uses, and my sighted 
wife's.
It seems that they don't react to the touch as well as an iPhone or iPod.
I also don't like the way separate windows, like in settings, don't give you 
a back button, and it is hard to get back down to a nested button.
I wonder how an iPad Mini compares.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: iPad; A Grand New Experiment


to read continues text it is the same gesture as the iPhone, I think. it's a 
2 finger swipe up.

I'm glad you are enjoying the iPad. I don't know how to use one that well 
but I have to learn on my mom's in case she needs help lol!

Take care.
On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Martin G. McCormick 
 wrote:

> Saturday, my wife and I walked in to a local business
> that sells computers and entertainment electronics and I bought
> a shiny new iPad, a protective case and a second router to act
> as a WiFi repeater as the signal in the room I use for amateur
> radio and general tinkering only shows around 50% signal if you
> hold your mouth just right.
>
> I haven't set up the new router yet, but I did get
> started on the iPad. It is an iPad 4 and I already made one
> major mistake when going through the setup. Somehow, I set the
> language to what was probably a form of Chinese. Chinese is
> Greek to me as I don't understand a word of either one.
>
> I wasn't sure what to do so I did a google search for
> iPad and wrong language and I found out that some other poor
> bloaks have done the same thing. One had set his to Portuguese and
> some of the answers were not terribly reassuring such as getting
> in to iTunes, doing some sort of monster restore and then, let's
> see; the egg rolls down the shoot, hits the little man who falls
> in to a basket of ping-pong balls and one of them hits a switch
> which rings the bell.
>
> Just kidding about all that, but not about the iTunes
> interaction and the huge restore. The fellow with the Portuguese
> iPad had actually tried this and the download took several hours
> on his connection and been interrupted several times.
>
> One person suggested that he get back in to the language
> selection screen, find his language again and tap the blue icon
> in the upper right corner.
>
> Basically, keep trying that until the iPad starts
> speaking your language again.
>
> I wasn't sure which way the iPad is supposed to face the
> user so I started looking for something that might help on line.
> I ran across something that discussed changing your screen
> layout and it accidentally mentioned the speaker at the bottom.
>
> This was an aha moment and I realized that mine was
> upside down. Voiceover sounds the same when you read it upside
> down, especially in Chinese.
>
> I turned it right side up, found a link which said
> something in Chinese followed by American-sounding English and
> then double-tapped the upper-right corner.
>
> It was a miracle!! English began emerging once again and
> I was able to finish setup.
>
> One of the things I bought was a bluetooth keyboard. I
> really wasn't able to get to the settings screen to use it,
> however, until I had finished Setup. I even used the on-screen
> keyboard to enter the password for our WiFi network and I think
> it took ten tries. I am not sure if it was due to a weak
> wireless signal or what but I sure wished for that keyboard at
> the time.
>
> Sometime after I selected to use location services, the
> clock at the top of the screen switched to Central Standard Time
> indicating that the GPS receiver had locked on to enough
> information to work properly.
>
> I turned on the siri application and asked "What time is
> it?" It told me the time and said I was in Stillwater. That is
> kind of interesting in that it is perfectly true but there are
> several Stillwaters in the United States. One is Stillwater,
> Minnesota which is also in our time zone.
>
> A few voiceover observations;
>
> Voiceover in IOS is great sounding but even with the
> keyboard, it is not as comfortable to use as it is on the Mac.
> Is there a way to make it read at least a screen full of text
> at a time as continuously typing the right arrow for each line
> is kind of old-school.
>
> Also, how does one make major moves about the system? I
> remember adjusting voiceover but am not sure where that screen
> went.
>
> One neat thing about the touch screen is that it
> certainly gives a person a good idea of the layout. I also
> noticed another very nice thing. I expected to have to pair the
> blue

Re: iPad; A Grand New Experiment

[Sarah k Alawami]

to read continues text it is the same gesture as the iPhone, I think. it's a 2 
finger swipe up.

I'm glad you are enjoying the iPad. I don't know how to use one that well but I 
have to learn on my mom's in case she needs help lol!

Take care.
On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Martin G. McCormick 
 wrote:

>   Saturday, my wife and I walked in to a local business
> that sells computers and entertainment electronics and I bought
> a shiny new iPad, a protective case and a second router to act
> as a WiFi repeater as the signal in the room I use for amateur
> radio and general tinkering only shows around 50% signal if you
> hold your mouth just right.
> 
>   I haven't set up the new router yet, but I did get
> started on the iPad. It is an iPad 4 and I already made one
> major mistake when going through the setup. Somehow, I set the
> language to what was probably a form of Chinese. Chinese is
> Greek to me as I don't understand a word of either one.
> 
>   I wasn't sure what to do so I did a google search for
> iPad and wrong language and I found out that some other poor
> bloaks have done the same thing. One had set his to Portuguese and
> some of the answers were not terribly reassuring such as getting
> in to iTunes, doing some sort of monster restore and then, let's
> see; the egg rolls down the shoot, hits the little man who falls
> in to a basket of ping-pong balls and one of them hits a switch
> which rings the bell.
> 
>   Just kidding about all that, but not about the iTunes
> interaction and the huge restore. The fellow with the Portuguese
> iPad had actually tried this and the download took several hours
> on his connection and been interrupted several times.
> 
>   One person suggested that he get back in to the language
> selection screen, find his language again and tap the blue icon
> in the upper right corner.
> 
>   Basically, keep trying that until the iPad starts
> speaking your language again.
> 
>   I wasn't sure which way the iPad is supposed to face the
> user so I started looking for something that might help on line.
> I ran across something that discussed changing your screen
> layout and it accidentally mentioned the speaker at the bottom.
> 
>   This was an aha moment and I realized that mine was
> upside down. Voiceover sounds the same when you read it upside
> down, especially in Chinese.
> 
>   I turned it right side up, found a link which said
> something in Chinese followed by American-sounding English and
> then double-tapped the upper-right corner.
> 
>   It was a miracle!! English began emerging once again and
> I was able to finish setup.
> 
>   One of the things I bought was a bluetooth keyboard. I
> really wasn't able to get to the settings screen to use it,
> however, until I had finished Setup. I even used the on-screen
> keyboard to enter the password for our WiFi network and I think
> it took ten tries. I am not sure if it was due to a weak
> wireless signal or what but I sure wished for that keyboard at
> the time.
> 
>   Sometime after I selected to use location services, the
> clock at the top of the screen switched to Central Standard Time
> indicating that the GPS receiver had locked on to enough
> information to work properly.
> 
>   I turned on the siri application and asked "What time is
> it?" It told me the time and said I was in Stillwater. That is
> kind of interesting in that it is perfectly true but there are
> several Stillwaters in the United States. One is Stillwater,
> Minnesota which is also in our time zone.
> 
>   A few voiceover observations;
> 
>   Voiceover in IOS is great sounding but even with the
> keyboard, it is not as comfortable to use as it is on the Mac.
> Is there a way to make it read at least a screen full of text
> at a time as continuously typing the right arrow for each line
> is kind of old-school.
> 
>   Also, how does one make major moves about the system? I
> remember adjusting voiceover but am not sure where that screen
> went.
> 
>   One neat thing about the touch screen is that it
> certainly gives a person a good idea of the layout. I also
> noticed another very nice thing. I expected to have to pair the
> bluetooth keyboard with the ipad each time I powered them down
> and back up but they seem to remember the pairing when I turn
> everything back on.
> 
>   I think I am going to really like the iPad especially
> when I know my way around it better.
> 
>   It is a true technological marvel when you consider that
> not so many years ago, one could spend over a thousand US
> Dollars to buy a hardware synthesizer that only spoke one
> language and only did that when you hooked it up to a computer
> with the right software.
> 
>   I had an Apple II in 1979 that had 1 millionth of the
> memory this ipad has and it cost about 15-hundred 1979 Dollars.
> It is amazing.
> 
> Martin
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RE: iPad help

[Matthew C]

Hello Glenn. This is normal behavior. I believe I remember hearing it is
called containers. There is no back button. It just opens the folder you
want under the main settings list. There should be something in the roter
that says containers that can help in switching. I usually just flick into
it like you have been.

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: iPad help

Hi All,
I have been working with a client on using his iPad, a new model, based on 
my use of my iPhone 5 with VoiceOver.
Something strange that I have found while in "settings", is when I open an 
area like "general", and I swipe right-to-left, to move up the screen, I 
cannot find any "back" buttons.  So for example, in general, I should be 
able to swipe back until I hear:
"settings back button"
And that will close out that section and place me in the main settings 
window.
Also, another strange thing I have found is that when I open something like 
general, I have to swipe ahead for the actual general options, it seems to 
have elements of the main window between "general" and any of the items that

are within that area.
So far, the iPad does not seem as easy to use as my iPhone or the iPod.
Glenn

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Re: iPad mini questions

[Gordon Smith]

I've seen the Mini and I would say, if you have the iPad second generation, 
it's probably worth the upgrade.  Personally I have the third generation iPad 
which is almost the same technically as the fourth.  I'm not so sure about the 
mini, I think I'd go for the full sized version given the choice.  That said, 
the new iPads use the Lightning connectors I believe, which are supposed to 
give you better performance.  But I found the Mini very usable, it's just like 
the iPhone screen, only a little larger.

On 3 Dec 2012, at 09:58, Debbie April Yuille  wrote:

Hi All

I'm thinking of getting an iPad mini and I'd like to know, can the external
speaker produce as louder audio as the iPad 2? Also is the overall
performance as good?

Thanks
Debbie


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Re: iPad Help Required

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As I understand it, although I could be wrong, this little boy has vision, just 
dexterity problems.  I still believe that his age group is too young for this 
type of technology.  But I'm not employed in their department so I cannot 
really comment much further.  As I said, I do not want to turn this thread into 
a morality discussion.  People have a perfect right to decide upon what's best 
for the children in their care and assuming the parents or guardians of this 
child have been consulted which, given the experience of the teacher in charge, 
I am sure they will have been, then that ends the issue of whether he should be 
using one because adults in charge of his welfare have clearly made that 
decision.

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On 1 Dec 2012, at 14:45, Glenn  wrote:

I wonder if they see technology as the answer to their difficulties.
Is the child multiple-handicapped?
Glenn
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I agree actually.  But this child is in primary care and it isn't really my 
call.  I'm just answering questions.  I don't want to turn this thread into 
a morality discussion.  But for the record, if it were me I would be saying 
wait till you grow up.  I actually think this is more the problem of the 
teachers than the child.  The child is too young to decide.

Gordon

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I would not give a computer to a 4-year old period.
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I wonder if they see technology as the answer to their difficulties.
Is the child multiple-handicapped?
Glenn
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I agree actually.  But this child is in primary care and it isn't really my 
call.  I'm just answering questions.  I don't want to turn this thread into 
a morality discussion.  But for the record, if it were me I would be saying 
wait till you grow up.  I actually think this is more the problem of the 
teachers than the child.  The child is too young to decide.

Gordon

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Re: iPad Help Required

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I agree actually.  But this child is in primary care and it isn't really my 
call.  I'm just answering questions.  I don't want to turn this thread into a 
morality discussion.  But for the record, if it were me I would be saying wait 
till you grow up.  I actually think this is more the problem of the teachers 
than the child.  The child is too young to decide.

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I would not give a computer to a 4-year old period.
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it does.

On 1 Dec 2012, at 14:31, Glenn  wrote:

Does the iPad have GPS?
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I would not give a computer to a 4-year old period.
Glenn
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Hi Chris

I actually suggested this type of scenario to her.  But remember that we are 
dealing with a four-year-old boy here, and his speech is doubtless not yet 
fully developed.

Gordon

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You could also use Siri to open apps and perhaps consider guided access to 
lock some buttons in certain apps.

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Gordon,
Does the iPad have GPS?
Glenn
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Subject: Re: iPad Help Required


Hi Colin

The individual concerned isn't blind, so VoiceOver doesn't really matter in 
this case.  I'll try the assistive touch setting and see how it goes down 
with the teacher.

I still believe that a four-year-old would struggle with an iPad, as it is 
basically not a child's tool.
Gordon

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Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is 
assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation!
I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with 
motor problems!
It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well!
Might be worth a look!
And maybe good to use along side dictation!
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Hi Chris

I actually suggested this type of scenario to her.  But remember that we are 
dealing with a four-year-old boy here, and his speech is doubtless not yet 
fully developed.

Gordon

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Hi Colin

The individual concerned isn't blind, so VoiceOver doesn't really matter in 
this case.  I'll try the assistive touch setting and see how it goes down with 
the teacher.

I still believe that a four-year-old would struggle with an iPad, as it is 
basically not a child's tool.
Gordon

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Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is 
assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation!
I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with motor 
problems!
It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well!
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Re: iPad Help Required

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I know there are some apps that help with these issues as well. Iv'e heard 
about them, but I'm not a disability specialist so am of no help here.  I can 
ask around though and see what I can come up with.


Good luck.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:

> Plus there is the new setting where you can do just how quickly the home 
> button response to a keypress. Think I'll love these new settings would make 
> the iPad very usable.
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> You could also use Siri to open apps and perhaps consider guided access to 
>> lock some buttons in certain apps.
>> 
>> On 30 Nov 2012, at 11:35, Red.Falcon  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gordon!
>>> Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is 
>>> assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation!
>>> I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with 
>>> motor problems!
>>> It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well!
>>> Might be worth a look!
>>> And maybe good to use along side dictation!
>>> Hth Colin
>>> 
>>> On 30 Nov 2012, at 08:46, Gordon Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all
 
 OK, this one might be a bit of a challenge.  I've been enlisted to assist 
 a teacher who has a pupil aged four, with dexterity issues, who she wants 
 to try and educate in the use of the iPad.  Does anybody happen to know 
 whether this kind of accessibility is supported at all?  This child's 
 fingers, for instance, are apparently not very easily controlled and I'm 
 not optimistic about his use of the touch screen.  However, I wondered 
 whether perhaps he might be able to make more headway with dictation, 
 rather than actually using his hands, which are not exactly functional as 
 most people would understand it.  Any thoughts very welcome.
 
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Plus there is the new setting where you can do just how quickly the home button 
response to a keypress. Think I'll love these new settings would make the iPad 
very usable.

On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> You could also use Siri to open apps and perhaps consider guided access to 
> lock some buttons in certain apps.
> 
> On 30 Nov 2012, at 11:35, Red.Falcon  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gordon!
>> Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is 
>> assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation!
>> I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with 
>> motor problems!
>> It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well!
>> Might be worth a look!
>> And maybe good to use along side dictation!
>> Hth Colin
>> 
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>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> OK, this one might be a bit of a challenge.  I've been enlisted to assist a 
>>> teacher who has a pupil aged four, with dexterity issues, who she wants to 
>>> try and educate in the use of the iPad.  Does anybody happen to know 
>>> whether this kind of accessibility is supported at all?  This child's 
>>> fingers, for instance, are apparently not very easily controlled and I'm 
>>> not optimistic about his use of the touch screen.  However, I wondered 
>>> whether perhaps he might be able to make more headway with dictation, 
>>> rather than actually using his hands, which are not exactly functional as 
>>> most people would understand it.  Any thoughts very welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
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On 30 Nov 2012, at 11:35, Red.Falcon  wrote:

> Hi Gordon!
> Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is 
> assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation!
> I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with 
> motor problems!
> It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well!
> Might be worth a look!
> And maybe good to use along side dictation!
> Hth Colin
> 
> On 30 Nov 2012, at 08:46, Gordon Smith  wrote:
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>> Hi all
>> 
>> OK, this one might be a bit of a challenge.  I've been enlisted to assist a 
>> teacher who has a pupil aged four, with dexterity issues, who she wants to 
>> try and educate in the use of the iPad.  Does anybody happen to know whether 
>> this kind of accessibility is supported at all?  This child's fingers, for 
>> instance, are apparently not very easily controlled and I'm not optimistic 
>> about his use of the touch screen.  However, I wondered whether perhaps he 
>> might be able to make more headway with dictation, rather than actually 
>> using his hands, which are not exactly functional as most people would 
>> understand it.  Any thoughts very welcome.
>> 
>> Gordon
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Re: iPad Help Required

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Hi Gordon!
Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is 
assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation!
I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with motor 
problems!
It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well!
Might be worth a look!
And maybe good to use along side dictation!
Hth Colin

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> Hi all
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> OK, this one might be a bit of a challenge.  I've been enlisted to assist a 
> teacher who has a pupil aged four, with dexterity issues, who she wants to 
> try and educate in the use of the iPad.  Does anybody happen to know whether 
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> instance, are apparently not very easily controlled and I'm not optimistic 
> about his use of the touch screen.  However, I wondered whether perhaps he 
> might be able to make more headway with dictation, rather than actually using 
> his hands, which are not exactly functional as most people would understand 
> it.  Any thoughts very welcome.
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Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Danny

I've actually noticed a difference in the way our 3rd generation iPad behaves, 
as opposed to our first.  We use a 7-port powered USB hug on our Mac, and we 
never actually get an accurate reading of the battery status from iTunes of our 
third generation iPad.  However, it is actually charging, just the reading is 
different.  Also Apple does advertise that you can charge an iPad (regardless 
of generation) via the USB port of a Mac or a PC.  What would happen if you 
were to put 2 of them on the same machine without an externally powered hub is 
anybody's guess.  But I have heard of situations where a Mac will detect too 
much pull on its USB bus and it will shut down the USB buss totally until the 
drain is removed.  Sometimes, if a lead sustains damage and there is a short 
circuit on the lead, that too can result in drain and the Mac's USB bus being 
shut down.

Gordon

On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:33, Danny Noonan  wrote:

It isn't always a matter of a bad USB port. The iPad requires substantially 
more punch to charge than a phone or other standard usb charging device. 
Unfortunately, people can have trouble charging from some computers.

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Re: USB ports on recent Macs can supply more than the USB standard power[was Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!]

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Aa, ok, that definitely does explain a lot.

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:25 PM
Subject: USB ports on recent Macs can supply more than the USB standard 
power[was Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!]



Hi Chris,

You wrote:

• So I wonder then why the macbook would charge it but not any windows 
machine?  Do macs tend to put out more vultage on their u s b ports?  Wonder 
what the amount of ampiers is it outputs.


The answer is that the standard USB port specification doesn't provide 
enough power to charge iPads.  That's one of the reasons that all the early 
generations of iPods (way back before the iPhone or iPod Nanos) used 
FireWire connectors.  But they moved to USB connectors when iPods became 
popular on PCs, and the lower power draw of these devices made that 
possible.


Recent model Macs are designed to detect when iPods and iOS devices are 
connected that require more power draw to charge than the default USB 
standard adopted by most PCs.  Depending on the load of what else you have 
plugged in, they will attempt to provide it.  Macs made before 2007 do not 
have this capability.  Here's a quote excerpted from an iLounge article:
• "Charging your iOS Devices on a Mac or PC" by Charles Starrett, September 
1, 2011

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/tips/comments/charging-your-ios-devices-on-a-mac-or-pc/


On Macs newer than 2007, all your USB ports should supply at least 1100 mA 
of charging power to any device—such as an iPhone or iPad—that needs it. The 
extra power is doled out on a first come, first served basis, so the first 
device you plug in is virtually guaranteed to receive the maximum amount of 
power, while later devices are less likely. If you have a Mac that was built 
this year, it might even support full 2.1 Amp fast charging of the iPad. Mac 
users also have a very simple way to check how much juice each device is 
receiving. Simply go the the Apple menu, select About This Mac, and hit the 
More Info… button, which launches System Profiler. From there you can select 
USB from the sidebar under Hardware, and select the device you want to check 
on. It’ll show you the Current Available, the Current Required, and the 
Extra Operating Current—by adding the Available and Extra Current together, 
you’ll get the current power output for that port. For more info, see:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4049


The Apple Support document provides more specific details, but basically, 
the standard USB port specification doesn't meet the requirement for 
charging high-powered devices.  You may get some low level of charging if 
you connect to your PC's USB port with your iPad device turned off, and no 
other USB peripherals connected.  Recent Macs are built to supply more power 
through the USB ports if iOS devices with higher power requirements are 
connected, but that assumes that you don't have large numbers of other 
peripherals also powered from these ports.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


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Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!

[Danny Noonan]

Apple make sure there products have enough kick. I seem to recall that even 
some old mac's aren't able but I could be wrong about that.

Danny:

On 10/11/2012, at 7:59 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

> So I wonder then why the macbook would charge it but not any windows machine? 
>  Do macs tend to put out more vultage on their u s b ports?  Wonder what the 
> amount of ampiers is it outputs.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
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> ----- Original Message - From: "Danny Noonan" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!
> 
> 
>> It isn't always a matter of a bad USB port. The iPad requires substantially 
>> more punch to charge than a phone or other standard usb charging device. 
>> Unfortunately, people can have trouble charging from some computers.
>> 
>> Danny:
>> 
>> On 10/11/2012, at 6:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK this is really really really strange.  I have an IPad 3rd generation, 
>>> and I also have an IPad Mini.  In both cases, If I plug them via USB to my 
>>> macbook which by the way is a 13 inch white mid 2010 model, no 
>>> customizations, it charges just fine.  Also, if I plug it into my wall 
>>> transformer that came with the units it charges fine, but as soon as I plug 
>>> the thing to my desktop tower, which is a Gateway DX300S machine running 
>>> Win XP Pro, it definitely detects the device fine, and maintains its 
>>> connection, but the status bar indicates not charging.  OK, it doesn't 
>>> drain the battery while it's plugged in, but it doesn't charge either.  No, 
>>> it's not a bad USB port, as I can plug all sorts of other things in, and 
>>> they never ever malfunction.  Plus, I've tried different USB ports with no 
>>> luck.  Even on my Snowleopard Partition on the macbook it works fine, so 
>>> it's not like it has to have a newer O S.  Not only that, but I tried 
>>> charging it from my Dell Inspiron E1505 system, 
 an
>> d had the exact same problem.  It won't charge.  It maintains its charge, 
>> yeah, but that's it.  Only way I can charge it via a computer is on a Mac. 
>> What on earth gives?  That's crazy!  No, my desktop and my inspiron do not 
>> have USB 3.0.  It's only 2.0, but then, so does my macbook, only have 2.0. 
>> Plus, my mom's IPad, which is a 1st generation, as well as my IPhone 4S, and 
>> even my mom's IPhone 4S, plus my friend's new IPhone 5, and for that mind, 
>> even my IPod Touch 4th Gen back before I sold it, all worked perfectly on my 
>> desktop and on my Inspiron, and they both charged perfectly.  So, what's the 
>> deal with the 3rd gen IPad, and the Mini? You can't possibly tell me that 
>> they only support charging on a Mac.  that would be incredibly stupid!  Has 
>> anyone! at all! seen this?  This is like, totally bizarre!
>>> 
>>> Thank you kindly,
>>> 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>>> Founder of CLG Productions
>>> 
>>> Blog:
>>> http://www.clgproductions.org
>>> 
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USB ports on recent Macs can supply more than the USB standard power [was Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!]

[Esther]

Hi Chris,

You wrote:

• So I wonder then why the macbook would charge it but not any windows machine? 
 Do macs tend to put out more vultage on their u s b ports?  Wonder what the 
amount of ampiers is it outputs.

The answer is that the standard USB port specification doesn't provide enough 
power to charge iPads.  That's one of the reasons that all the early 
generations of iPods (way back before the iPhone or iPod Nanos) used FireWire 
connectors.  But they moved to USB connectors when iPods became popular on PCs, 
and the lower power draw of these devices made that possible.

Recent model Macs are designed to detect when iPods and iOS devices are 
connected that require more power draw to charge than the default USB standard 
adopted by most PCs.  Depending on the load of what else you have plugged in, 
they will attempt to provide it.  Macs made before 2007 do not have this 
capability.  Here's a quote excerpted from an iLounge article:
• "Charging your iOS Devices on a Mac or PC" by Charles Starrett, September 1, 
2011
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/tips/comments/charging-your-ios-devices-on-a-mac-or-pc/


On Macs newer than 2007, all your USB ports should supply at least 1100 mA of 
charging power to any device—such as an iPhone or iPad—that needs it. The extra 
power is doled out on a first come, first served basis, so the first device you 
plug in is virtually guaranteed to receive the maximum amount of power, while 
later devices are less likely. If you have a Mac that was built this year, it 
might even support full 2.1 Amp fast charging of the iPad. Mac users also have 
a very simple way to check how much juice each device is receiving. Simply go 
the the Apple menu, select About This Mac, and hit the More Info… button, which 
launches System Profiler. From there you can select USB from the sidebar under 
Hardware, and select the device you want to check on. It’ll show you the 
Current Available, the Current Required, and the Extra Operating Current—by 
adding the Available and Extra Current together, you’ll get the current power 
output for that port. For more info, see:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4049


The Apple Support document provides more specific details, but basically, the 
standard USB port specification doesn't meet the requirement for charging 
high-powered devices.  You may get some low level of charging if you connect to 
your PC's USB port with your iPad device turned off, and no other USB 
peripherals connected.  Recent Macs are built to supply more power through the 
USB ports if iOS devices with higher power requirements are connected, but that 
assumes that you don't have large numbers of other peripherals also powered 
from these ports.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther  
 

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Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So I wonder then why the macbook would charge it but not any windows 
machine?  Do macs tend to put out more vultage on their u s b ports?  Wonder 
what the amount of ampiers is it outputs.


Thank you kindly,

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- Original Message - 
From: "Danny Noonan" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!


It isn't always a matter of a bad USB port. The iPad requires 
substantially more punch to charge than a phone or other standard usb 
charging device. Unfortunately, people can have trouble charging from some 
computers.


Danny:

On 10/11/2012, at 6:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK this is really really really strange.  I have an IPad 3rd generation, 
and I also have an IPad Mini.  In both cases, If I plug them via USB to 
my macbook which by the way is a 13 inch white mid 2010 model, no 
customizations, it charges just fine.  Also, if I plug it into my wall 
transformer that came with the units it charges fine, but as soon as I 
plug the thing to my desktop tower, which is a Gateway DX300S machine 
running Win XP Pro, it definitely detects the device fine, and maintains 
its connection, but the status bar indicates not charging.  OK, it 
doesn't drain the battery while it's plugged in, but it doesn't charge 
either.  No, it's not a bad USB port, as I can plug all sorts of other 
things in, and they never ever malfunction.  Plus, I've tried different 
USB ports with no luck.  Even on my Snowleopard Partition on the macbook 
it works fine, so it's not like it has to have a newer O S.  Not only 
that, but I tried charging it from my Dell Inspiron E1505 system, an
d had the exact same problem.  It won't charge.  It maintains its charge, 
yeah, but that's it.  Only way I can charge it via a computer is on a Mac. 
What on earth gives?  That's crazy!  No, my desktop and my inspiron do not 
have USB 3.0.  It's only 2.0, but then, so does my macbook, only have 2.0. 
Plus, my mom's IPad, which is a 1st generation, as well as my IPhone 4S, 
and even my mom's IPhone 4S, plus my friend's new IPhone 5, and for that 
mind, even my IPod Touch 4th Gen back before I sold it, all worked 
perfectly on my desktop and on my Inspiron, and they both charged 
perfectly.  So, what's the deal with the 3rd gen IPad, and the Mini? You 
can't possibly tell me that they only support charging on a Mac.  that 
would be incredibly stupid!  Has anyone! at all! seen this?  This is like, 
totally bizarre!


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions

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Re: IPad isn't charging: what the heck!

[Danny Noonan]

It isn't always a matter of a bad USB port. The iPad requires substantially 
more punch to charge than a phone or other standard usb charging device. 
Unfortunately, people can have trouble charging from some computers.

Danny:

On 10/11/2012, at 6:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> OK this is really really really strange.  I have an IPad 3rd generation, and 
> I also have an IPad Mini.  In both cases, If I plug them via USB to my 
> macbook which by the way is a 13 inch white mid 2010 model, no 
> customizations, it charges just fine.  Also, if I plug it into my wall 
> transformer that came with the units it charges fine, but as soon as I plug 
> the thing to my desktop tower, which is a Gateway DX300S machine running Win 
> XP Pro, it definitely detects the device fine, and maintains its connection, 
> but the status bar indicates not charging.  OK, it doesn't drain the battery 
> while it's plugged in, but it doesn't charge either.  No, it's not a bad USB 
> port, as I can plug all sorts of other things in, and they never ever 
> malfunction.  Plus, I've tried different USB ports with no luck.  Even on my 
> Snowleopard Partition on the macbook it works fine, so it's not like it has 
> to have a newer O S.  Not only that, but I tried charging it from my Dell 
> Inspiron E1505 system, an
 d had the exact same problem.  It won't charge.  It maintains its charge, 
yeah, but that's it.  Only way I can charge it via a computer is on a Mac.  
What on earth gives?  That's crazy!  No, my desktop and my inspiron do not have 
USB 3.0.  It's only 2.0, but then, so does my macbook, only have 2.0.  Plus, my 
mom's IPad, which is a 1st generation, as well as my IPhone 4S, and even my 
mom's IPhone 4S, plus my friend's new IPhone 5, and for that mind, even my IPod 
Touch 4th Gen back before I sold it, all worked perfectly on my desktop and on 
my Inspiron, and they both charged perfectly.  So, what's the deal with the 3rd 
gen IPad, and the Mini? You can't possibly tell me that they only support 
charging on a Mac.  that would be incredibly stupid!  Has anyone! at all! seen 
this?  This is like, totally bizarre!
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
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> Founder of CLG Productions
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> http://www.clgproductions.org
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Re: ipad mini

[Sarah Alawami]

According to CNet I think it's $329. for me though it would be too small. I 
need the screen space for stuff like gb and school stuff. if i were to get an 
iPad that is. lol!

Be blessed.
On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> How much does the iPad mini cost?
> Thanks.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Timothy J. Meloy" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: ipad mini
> 
> 
> Hi Will,
> For those that have a mini and have also used an iPad with a full sized 
> screen, do you find the screen on the mini easier to navigate?  I currently 
> have an iPad 2.  It seems that a mini could be an intriguing consideration 
> for that reason.
> T.J.
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:21 PM, william lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi all i have my ipad mini i like the design seems snappy.
> still can't get rid of daniel on my iphone 4s a a premium voice just hope if 
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Re: ipad mini

[Glenn]

How much does the iPad mini cost?
Thanks.
Glenn
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From: "Timothy J. Meloy" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: ipad mini


Hi Will,
For those that have a mini and have also used an iPad with a full sized 
screen, do you find the screen on the mini easier to navigate?  I currently 
have an iPad 2.  It seems that a mini could be an intriguing consideration 
for that reason.
T.J.
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hi all i have my ipad mini i like the design seems snappy.
still can't get rid of daniel on my iphone 4s a a premium voice just hope if 
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Re: ipad mini

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Hi Will,
For those that have a mini and have also used an iPad with a full sized screen, 
do you find the screen on the mini easier to navigate?  I currently have an 
iPad 2.  It seems that a mini could be an intriguing consideration for that 
reason.
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hi all i have my ipad mini i like the design seems snappy.
still can't get rid of daniel on my iphone 4s a a premium voice just hope if i 
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Re: iPad and iOS 6

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My husband has an iPad.  He does not need vo, but I do when I look at it.  I 
am the one who does all maintenance.  When I did the update to 6, vo said 
error and stopped taling.  I left is sitting plugged in for over an hour 
then tried to use it.  All I got when I would swipe was garbled speech that 
sounded like different languages.  So I just left it along.  Later whenI got 
some sighted assistance.  I was told that the update was now on 6.  The 
problem is now thought, that the triple tap short under settings, general, 
and accessibility is not there.  My husband can go there, and turn vo on, 
but I can not. Any thoughts?

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i am using i o s on a i pad 3 and it works just fine well worth the update
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Re: iPad 3, NBluetooth and Pairing

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Hi John

Thanks for the confirmation.  I will try this again.  It worked fine with the 
original iPad so maybe it's just me.

Gordon

On 15 Sep 2012, at 17:09, John Panarese  wrote:

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Re: ipad has stopped connecting to my wifi network.

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Actually Esther that's exactly how I eventually got it on there.  It will do 
fine actualy until my new router arives.

D
On 11 Sep 2012, at 18:39, Esther  wrote:

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> 
> This is not a permanent fix, but what happens if you change the assignment 
> from DHCP to a static IP address?  If you go to Settings > Wi-Fi and then 
> flick right to the "more info" button for you selected network and double 
> tap, you can read the IP Address, Subnet Mask, Router, DNS, and Search 
> Domains under the DHCP tab.  You can switch the selected tab from "DHCP" to 
> "Static" by double tapping, and then you can enter values in all the same 
> fields, including a valid IP address.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean about your iPad getting a self-assigned IP -- do 
> you meant that this is not a valid IP address even though the address seems 
> legal?  (On my Airport Express the addresses are 10.etc.)  Can you manually 
> switch to the IP address of one of your other connected devices (which you 
> take off of that address) and have your iPad connection work?
> 
> The only Wi-Fi router related iOS connection problem I've had was time-outs 
> dropping the connection on my first device (iPod Touch in early 2010), an 
> that only happened when I was on a WPA encrypted network and near the edge of 
> coverage.  That was because the energy saving settings on the device would 
> drop the connection if there wasn't a fast enough response from the Wi-Fi 
> network to indicate this was currently in use.  So unless there was 
> continuous network use, the connection would periodically just drop.  If I 
> streamed a low bit-rate radio station in the background with ooTunes that was 
> enough to keep the network connection up (under the default DHCP setting for 
> my encrypted home network), and then later I found that if I switched the IP 
> settings to static and copied in the address from the DHCP assignment, that 
> would also keep the connection up without having to stream anything in the 
> background.  What was weird was that this only happened on this one network 
> with WPA encryption and when I was farther from the router; it wouldn't 
> happen on any open Wi-FI network, or ones that were WEP encrypted.  
> Eventually, there was an iOS update that fixed this, and I didn't have to use 
> the static IP address.  Changing the DNS lookup address didn't help in this 
> case, although that work for some people.
> 
> I assume you're only having this connection problem with your home Wi-Fi 
> network, and your iPad can connect elsewhere?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
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>> Hi all,
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>> This is one for the networking gurus on list.  I'm no expert in this so I'm 
>> baffled.
>> 
>> My wifi connectivity is handled by an Airport extreme.  Most devices on the 
>> network are connecting fine, except an iPad II which seems to connect, but 
>> is getting a self-assigned IP (169.etc)).  I've tried forgetting the 
>> network, resetting all network preferences, restarting the router but all to 
>> no avail.  Anyone any thoughts.
>> 
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Re: ipad has stopped connecting to my wifi network.

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Hi Dónal,

This is not a permanent fix, but what happens if you change the assignment from 
DHCP to a static IP address?  If you go to Settings > Wi-Fi and then flick 
right to the "more info" button for you selected network and double tap, you 
can read the IP Address, Subnet Mask, Router, DNS, and Search Domains under the 
DHCP tab.  You can switch the selected tab from "DHCP" to "Static" by double 
tapping, and then you can enter values in all the same fields, including a 
valid IP address.

I'm not sure what you mean about your iPad getting a self-assigned IP -- do you 
meant that this is not a valid IP address even though the address seems legal?  
(On my Airport Express the addresses are 10.etc.)  Can you manually switch to 
the IP address of one of your other connected devices (which you take off of 
that address) and have your iPad connection work?

The only Wi-Fi router related iOS connection problem I've had was time-outs 
dropping the connection on my first device (iPod Touch in early 2010), an that 
only happened when I was on a WPA encrypted network and near the edge of 
coverage.  That was because the energy saving settings on the device would drop 
the connection if there wasn't a fast enough response from the Wi-Fi network to 
indicate this was currently in use.  So unless there was continuous network 
use, the connection would periodically just drop.  If I streamed a low bit-rate 
radio station in the background with ooTunes that was enough to keep the 
network connection up (under the default DHCP setting for my encrypted home 
network), and then later I found that if I switched the IP settings to static 
and copied in the address from the DHCP assignment, that would also keep the 
connection up without having to stream anything in the background.  What was 
weird was that this only happened on this one network with WPA encryption and 
when I was farther from the router; it wouldn't happen on any open Wi-FI 
network, or ones that were WEP encrypted.  Eventually, there was an iOS update 
that fixed this, and I didn't have to use the static IP address.  Changing the 
DNS lookup address didn't help in this case, although that work for some people.

I assume you're only having this connection problem with your home Wi-Fi 
network, and your iPad can connect elsewhere?

Cheers,

Esther


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> 
> This is one for the networking gurus on list.  I'm no expert in this so I'm 
> baffled.
> 
> My wifi connectivity is handled by an Airport extreme.  Most devices on the 
> network are connecting fine, except an iPad II which seems to connect, but is 
> getting a self-assigned IP (169.etc)).  I've tried forgetting the network, 
> resetting all network preferences, restarting the router but all to no avail. 
>  Anyone any thoughts.
> 
> Dónal
> Dónal Fitzpatrick
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Re: ipad

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sorry i was only going by what it said in the requirments 
On 13/07/2012, at 5:24 PM, william lomas wrote:

>   fleksy as you can see not ipad compatible yet
> 
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>> From: Ioannis Verdelis 
>> Subject: Re: ipad
>> Date: 13 July 2012 08:03:00 BST
>> To: william lomas 
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> Fleksy will currently work with iPhones. I believe it can be installed on an 
>> iPad but will only work on the iPhone emulation mode (in 1x and 2x).
>> 
>> We plan an iPad version soon.
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>>> hi does the newly release fleksy app work ipad 3?
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Re: ipad

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sorry i thaught it did i will wait till it works on i pad then before i buy it 
On 13/07/2012, at 5:24 PM, william lomas wrote:

>   fleksy as you can see not ipad compatible yet
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>> William
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>> Fleksy will currently work with iPhones. I believe it can be installed on an 
>> iPad but will only work on the iPhone emulation mode (in 1x and 2x).
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>>> hi does the newly release fleksy app work ipad 3?
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Re: iPad & GPS

[Glenn]

It does not compare to the KNFB reader, which has the same resolution as the 
iPhone 4, because of Apple not releasing the full resolution to developers.
In a perfect situation, I think that the iPhone 4 is okay, but give it 
anything challenging, and it is a disappointment, at least, that has been my 
experience.
I have used a KNFB, as I used to own one, and it does much better.
Glenn
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:58 AM
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Hello Glenn,

On 21 Jun 2012, at 01:36, Glenn wrote:

> The camera resolution of the iPhone 4 is not that good for OCR.

I've had excellent results using Prizmo for OCR on my iPhone 4 and so have 
many other people.

Cheers,

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Hello Glenn,

You wrote:

>> The camera resolution of the iPhone 4 is not that good for OCR.

I'll add my comments to Anne's that I've been successful using Prizmo with my 
iPhone 4 for this purpose.

Cheers,

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Hello Anne

On 21 Jun 2012, at 06:58, Anne Robertson  wrote:

• I've had excellent results using Prizmo for OCR on my iPhone 4 and so have 
many other people.

Thank you for reminding me; I have been meaning to get hold of this. I will do 
so now!

Lynne

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Hello Glenn,

On 21 Jun 2012, at 01:36, Glenn wrote:

> The camera resolution of the iPhone 4 is not that good for OCR.

I've had excellent results using Prizmo for OCR on my iPhone 4 and so have many 
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Cheers,

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Hello Glenn

On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:36, Glenn  wrote:

• The camera resolution of the iPhone 4 is not that good for OCR.
It is an 5MP camera, but not all the power of the camera is released to 
developers for use with the OCR resolution.
It is for this reason that I will not even get the 4S, as I will wait for 
the iPhone 5 , as maybe it will have better than the 4S, as the 4S is 8MP, I 
suspect that not all the resolution is there for apps as well.
I think Apple would do well to put an even higher MP camera on the iPad as 
well.

There may well be technical reasons for the design philosophy which went into 
both the iPhone 4/4S and the iPad 3. Personally, I look at it this way; both 
are mobile devices. It's not reasonable to expect MMS messages to have 
horrendously high attachments. If one requires super-high resolution video, 
it's possible to buy the iPad Camera Connection kit which will allow you to 
connect the webcam of your choice.

Therefore, I really don't think these issues are show-stopping issues, although 
yes I do agree that the option would be nice. The audio on the iPhone 4S is 
pretty good given the size of the device. And although I haven't yet heard 
music from the iPad 3, I have no reason to believe that the audio there won't 
be good also. Spoken audio I have heard and that is fine.

Lynne

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Hello Esther

On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:32, Esther  wrote:

• If you want to use editing functions on the videos you take, then you can 
certainly get iMovie for your iPad.  I haven't used this myself, but there is 
Apple's documentation page on iMovie for iOS:

http://www.apple.com/support/ios/imovie/

It kind of looks like iMovie for iOS is inaccessible. Although I can use it 
fine, Gordon wouldn't be able too; which is a pity. That's the case with iMovie 
on Mac OS X I believe, so we may need to be able to transfer the video content 
from device to device in order to edit it. But I will certainly report back to 
the list and let everybody know how this goes. I totally understand that the 
majority of people here wouldn't be interested in anything inaccessible. But 
there are some members who do have some vision who may be interested.

Again, many thanks.

Lynne

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The camera resolution of the iPhone 4 is not that good for OCR.
It is an 5MP camera, but not all the power of the camera is released to 
developers for use with the OCR resolution.
It is for this reason that I will not even get the 4S, as I will wait for 
the iPhone 5 , as maybe it will have better than the 4S, as the 4S is 8MP, I 
suspect that not all the resolution is there for apps as well.
I think Apple would do well to put an even higher MP camera on the iPad as 
well.
Glenn

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Hello Lynne,

The other thing that you might enjoy about the third generation iPad is its 
camera: the camera on the iPad is as good as the one on the iPhone 4.  (Note 
that the iPhone 4S has higher resolution, but the iPhone 4 camera is pretty 
good).

Cheers,

Esther
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Hello Lynne,

• Ah, thank you very much. I was thinking along the lines of iMovie or 
something like that. I will have a proper play with that application.

If you want to use editing functions on the videos you take, then you can 
certainly get iMovie for your iPad.  I haven't used this myself, but there is 
Apple's documentation page on iMovie for iOS:

http://www.apple.com/support/ios/imovie/

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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Hello Esther

May I first say a big thank you for bullet listing your quoted text; it makes a 
world of difference to somebody like me with vision.

On 20 Jun 2012, at 20:29, Esther  wrote:

• I think that you just use the camera app on the iPad to record video.  There 
should be a button in the bottom right corner to switch the mode between photo 
and video.

Ah, thank you very much. I was thinking along the lines of iMovie or something 
like that. I will have a proper play with that application.

Many thanks as always.

Lynne

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Hi Lynne,

• yes, I've already had a play with that and some of the pictures it has taken 
are quite stunning in terms of quality and resolution. I'm still trying to find 
out which app I need to record video on the iPad. Hopefully, (and Gordon thinks 
it will be), the iPad is able to record audio and video at the same time.

I think that you just use the camera app on the iPad to record video.  There 
should be a button in the bottom right corner to switch the mode between photo 
and video.

HTH.  Cheers,

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Hello Esther

On 20 Jun 2012, at 20:03, Esther  wrote:

• The other thing that you might enjoy about the third generation iPad is its 
camera: the camera on the iPad is as good as the one on the iPhone 4.  (Note 
that the iPhone 4S has higher resolution, but the iPhone 4 camera is pretty 
good).  

yes, I've already had a play with that and some of the pictures it has taken 
are quite stunning in terms of quality and resolution. I'm still trying to find 
out which app I need to record video on the iPad. Hopefully, (and Gordon thinks 
it will be), the iPad is able to record audio and video at the same time.

Thanks as always for your input.

Lynne

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Hello Lynne,

The other thing that you might enjoy about the third generation iPad is its 
camera: the camera on the iPad is as good as the one on the iPhone 4.  (Note 
that the iPhone 4S has higher resolution, but the iPhone 4 camera is pretty 
good).  

Cheers,

Esther
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Hello Esther

On 20 Jun 2012, at 19:00, Esther  wrote:

• If you bought a 4G+Wi-Fi iPad third generation, then it has built-in GPS and 
compass, etc. This is true whether or not you ever activate a data plan. If you 
bought a Wi-Fi only iPad, then you don't have GPS.  And I've discovered that 
the Sendero LookAround app will work with this iPad, even though it did not 
with the first generation iPad.  (The web page claims that the app won't work 
with any iPod Touch, and that it is not "iPad optimized".)

Thank you; this is a pleasant surprise to me. I did buy Gordon a 
top-of-the-range iPad, 64GB storage and cellular communications; although 
apparently 4G is not yet supported in Europe I am told. That said, I'm not so 
sure about that because judging by the speed of data transfer we're getting on 
the iPhone 4S and iPad 3rd generation, it is infinitely faster than the older 
iPad and Gordon's former iPhone 3GS.

• Incidentally, I believe that the support of iOS 6 on the iPhone 3GS and not 
on the first generation iPad probably has to do with the expanded plans for 
interactive textbook use on the iPad.  This is only a guess, but the processor 
on the first generation iPad is probably not up to handling extensive 
interaction with large format graphics.  This could be the difference between 
why the iPhone 3GS might still be supported, but perhaps at a reduced level, 
but the first generation iPad not under iOS 6.  I'm not sure that all these 
interactive textbook functions can be supported on the smaller screens.  The 
main reason for the push in using the iPad in classrooms and for teaching is 
that it is capable of this kind of flexible use.  While I may not be a medical 
student who has to study anatomical diagrams in their textbooks, I can 
understand why textbook publishers are going to embrace the iPad platform.  If 
the iPad can accommodate all your textbook requirements, and the iPhone is 
better suited to pure text content, which are you going to develop for?  It's 
simpler to provide the texts with accessible image descriptions on the iPad 
than to only release a fraction of your books for the iPhone.

That is a very workable hypothesis I think. There must be a reason; and I 
believe that on the iPad 3rd generation both of the cores of the A5 dual core 
processor are enabled. On the Apple TV, for instance, I gather that is not the 
case. In fact the only differences between 2nd and 3rd generation Apple TV are, 
so I am told, that the 3G has 512MB of RAM whereas the 2nd has 256MB. This is 
to support the HD video compatibility only. That's what I'm told but it's not 
sufficient reason for us personally to upgrade since I believe our 2nd 
generation model will stay upgradable for a while yet. :)

Lynne

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Hi Lynne,

If you bought a 4G+Wi-Fi iPad third generation, then it has built-in GPS and 
compass, etc. This is true whether or not you ever activate a data plan. If you 
bought a Wi-Fi only iPad, then you don't have GPS.  And I've discovered that 
the Sendero LookAround app will work with this iPad, even though it did not 
with the first generation iPad.  (The web page claims that the app won't work 
with any iPod Touch, and that it is not "iPad optimized".)

Incidentally, I believe that the support of iOS 6 on the iPhone 3GS and not on 
the first generation iPad probably has to do with the expanded plans for 
interactive textbook use on the iPad.  This is only a guess, but the processor 
on the first generation iPad is probably not up to handling extensive 
interaction with large format graphics.  This could be the difference between 
why the iPhone 3GS might still be supported, but perhaps at a reduced level, 
but the first generation iPad not under iOS 6.  I'm not sure that all these 
interactive textbook functions can be supported on the smaller screens.  The 
main reason for the push in using the iPad in classrooms and for teaching is 
that it is capable of this kind of flexible use.  While I may not be a medical 
student who has to study anatomical diagrams in their textbooks, I can 
understand why textbook publishers are going to embrace the iPad platform.  If 
the iPad can accommodate all your textbook requirements, and the iPhone is 
 better suited to pure text content, which are you going to develop for?  It's 
simpler to provide the texts with accessible image descriptions on the iPad 
than to only release a fraction of your books for the iPhone.

Again, just my thoughts and speculation. YMMV.

Cheers,

Esther 


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> Hello everybody
> 
> Does anybody happen to know whether the iPad third generation has GPS? I 
> would doubt it, and could well understand the reasons why it wouldn't. Just 
> thought I'd ask.
> 
> Lynne
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Hello Chris

On 20 Jun 2012, at 15:31, Chris G  wrote:

• Support is different then offering software upgrades.
When a company supports a product, they will offer technical assistance when 
you run into problems.  supporting a product again has nothing to do with a 
company choosing not to upgrade the software.  I'm sure Apple has its reasons  
why they are not offering iOs 6 for the iPad 1.

Your point is very well taken. As you rightly say, nobody has ever said that 
they won't help with technical support for those who, for example, own an 
AppleCare license on their iPad 1 or 2. So yes, this is absolutely fair 
comment. Thank you for making the point; it really does put a different 
complexion on the issue of support.

Lynne


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Hi,
Support is different then offering software upgrades.
When a company supports a product, they will offer technical assistance 
when you run into problems.  supporting a product again has nothing to 
do with a company choosing not to upgrade the software.  I'm sure Apple 
has its reasons  why they are not offering iOs 6 for the iPad 1.



On 6/20/2012 6:23 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:

Hello,

I am surprised as well. Since in some country there are laws in relation to the 
length of support.

Sean
On 20/06/2012, at 3:53 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:


I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash regarding Apple's decision 
to end support for the original iPad barely two years after it was introduced. 
I wonder if the folks at Apple are setting a precedent here, essentially 
telling us that the iPad has a supported lifespan of approximately 2 years. 
While I'm fully aware of the rapid pace of technology, Apple's decision in this 
instance will cause me to hesitate a bit longer before making my next Apple 
purchase.

Also, I'll be interested to hear from them why they've chosen to deny IOS 6 
feature upgrades for the original iPad while allowing some of those upgrades 
for the iPhone 3GS, a device that was introduced almost a year earlier than the 
iPad.

Of course, the folks at Apple have been kind enough to offer all IOS upgrades 
for no cost to this point, but if cost is the issue I would certainly be 
willing to pay something to have access to IOS 6 or at least the features that 
can be supported on the original iPad.

Assuming the folks at Apple don't reconsider and / or don't offer some of the 
important feature upgrades in an update to IOS 5, I'll be paying serious 
attention to the JB community for the first time,.

Bryan

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Timothy J. Meloy wrote:

I know that the first generation will no longer be supported in IOS 6. That's 
something to consider.


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Re: iPad Third Generation] & iPad Original Generation; [Comparatively Speaking]

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello Mary, Brian, William and all others who have contributed to this 
discussion.

Mary; at your tolerance, I'm going to correct all of the spelling errors in 
your below post, from which I want to take sections and respond to comments. 
Please don't take this as a snub or anything; it just makes it easier for 
VoiceOver users who have spell checking enabled.

On 19 Jun 2012, at 23:45, Mary Otten  wrote:

• I too was rather surprised about the dropping of support for the original 
iPad i iOS6, given that they will continue support for the aged 3GS.

I agree with this comment, and I am trying to get a little more insight on this 
issue because I don't quite see the logic. However, what I will say is that the 
performance of the iPad 3 in comparison to the iPad 1, (as I'll call the 
original iPad here), is mind-blowing. I'm comparing like with like; our iPad 1 
is a 64GB model with 3G and WiFi compatibility. The new iPad does have one very 
big advantage.  It's Wi-fi is Wireless-N rather than the slower Wireless-G 
which the original iPad is. The new model operates in the 5.2 GHZ band although 
it does appear to have fallback should the router not support Wireless-N.

I am fortunate in this comparison because I can actually see both iPads working 
side-by-side and performing the same tasks. I couldn't believe it when I saw 
the difference! The iPad 1 is noticeably slower when, for instance, opening a 
Pages document. On the new iPad it's there in the blink of an eye. On the iPad 
1, it takes 2 to 3 seconds to open the same document.

Alright; you may say what is 2 to 3 seconds. That is fair comment. But when you 
are looking to have spontaneously accessed information, there is no doubt about 
it, the iPad 3 wins hands-down.

Mary wrote:

• Then again, Apple have never been known to give much of a fig for legacy 
anything. So I suppose the surprise should be that they're still supporting the 
3GS, not that they're dropping support for the iPad. I own an original iPad, 
and I certainly would think twice about sinking big bucks in to another one if 
this 2-year product cycle is going to be Apple's norm for iPads. Admittedly, I 
bought my IPad after the 2 was already out and prices on the original had 
dropped a lot. But even at that, I'd have expected to get another year out of 
my original iPad before being tossed off the upgrade bus completely.

I absolutely agree with your comment. It really is a very strange decision on 
Apple's part, and I do think that they have short-changed their customers here. 
After all, one can hardly expect to have to replace their devices quite as 
frequently as that. It is true that not long after the iPhone 4 was released 
came the iPhone 4S. Many people who had bought the iPhone 4 were extremely 
miffed because they weren't aware of the enhancements in the iPhone 4S when 
they spent their money. These things are not cheap, nor can one justify simply 
ditching their old models at the drop of a hat. I can tell you that, although I 
bought an iPad 3 for Gordon, we most definitely will not be ditching the iPad 1 
because it still has a lot of life left in it yet.

True: Gordon opted to upgrade his iPhone 3GS because an attractive offer came 
along which meant that he didn't need to pay the full price, or to change his 
phone number. His old 3GS went as trade-in so it didn't mean a redundant iPhone 
sitting in the cupboard.

Actually, I believe that Apple is offering customers a 10% upgrade trade-in for 
their old iPad. Our only problem with that was that we'd have had to spend time 
and money getting the old one back to Apple before claiming our new iPad. We're 
off to Wimbledon soon; so I opted to buy it outright. Also there is no Apple 
retail store close to us, so that wasn't an option either.

But in conclusion, I can only say that the iPad 3 is blisteringly fast in 
comparison to the original models. I have not yet discovered how you start the 
dictation features, so haven't tried them.

Just one more little point, not that it really matters, but it is just for 
reference. When people write the word "iPad", it should really be done with a 
small letter i as the first letter, and a capital P, small a and small d. The 
same is true for the word "iPhone" the I=i should be lower case and the P 
upper. Again not that it really matters; it's just a small point. :)

Lynne

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Re: Regarding the End of life of the original iPad [Was: Re: iPad Third Generation]

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Hello,

I am surprised as well. Since in some country there are laws in relation to the 
length of support. 

Sean 
On 20/06/2012, at 3:53 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash regarding Apple's decision 
> to end support for the original iPad barely two years after it was 
> introduced. I wonder if the folks at Apple are setting a precedent here, 
> essentially telling us that the iPad has a supported lifespan of 
> approximately 2 years. While I'm fully aware of the rapid pace of technology, 
> Apple's decision in this instance will cause me to hesitate a bit longer 
> before making my next Apple purchase.
> 
> Also, I'll be interested to hear from them why they've chosen to deny IOS 6 
> feature upgrades for the original iPad while allowing some of those upgrades 
> for the iPhone 3GS, a device that was introduced almost a year earlier than 
> the iPad.
> 
> Of course, the folks at Apple have been kind enough to offer all IOS upgrades 
> for no cost to this point, but if cost is the issue I would certainly be 
> willing to pay something to have access to IOS 6 or at least the features 
> that can be supported on the original iPad.
> 
> Assuming the folks at Apple don't reconsider and / or don't offer some of the 
> important feature upgrades in an update to IOS 5, I'll be paying serious 
> attention to the JB community for the first time,.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Timothy J. Meloy wrote:
>> I know that the first generation will no longer be supported in IOS 6. 
>> That's something to consider. 
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Re: Regarding the End of life of the original iPad [Was: Re: iPad Third Generation]

[Mary Otten]

I too was rather surprised about the dropping of support for the original IPad 
i IOS6, given that they will continue support for the aged 3GS. Then again, 
Apple have never been known to give much of a fig for legacy anything. So I 
suppose the surprise should be that they're stilll supporting the 3GS, not that 
they're dropping support for the IPad. I own an original IPad, and I certainly 
would think twice about sinking big bucks in to another one if this 2-year 
product cycle is going to be Apple's norm for IPads. Admittedly, I bought my 
IPad after the 2 was already out and prices on the original had dropped a lot. 
But even at that, I'd have expected to get another year out of my original IPad 
before being tossed off the upgrade bus completely.

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Re: Regarding the End of life of the original iPad [Was: Re: iPad Third Generation]

[Gordon Smith]

Hello ryan

I actually agree with your comments here.  As somebody who, until this week, 
had no plans to upgrade their iPad, I was a little disgusted when I first 
learned of the fact that iOS6 won't run on the original iPad.  It's hardly 
fair, that being the case, to expect people to pay for an Applecare Protection 
plan when, to all intents and purposes, the product is soon to be declared 
obsolete.  Yes, I gather that iOS6 will run on the iPhone 3GS as well as later 
and, probably, even later still models in the not too distant future.  It 
really does take quite a bit of fathoming I must admit.  I can also understand 
why people might turn to the competitive products in order to stay current with 
technology.  Not me personally, because I still support what they are doing for 
the accessibility and still prefer to show that support by putting my money 
where my mouth is, so to speak.  But I can understand the logic.

I certainly won't be ditching my original iPad though, just because I have a 
later model.  Hopefully I can find a good home for it or find a use for it 
myself.  It is still in mint condition really, and still performs as well as 
ever.  I even have the keyboard dock for it as well which won't work with the 
later iPad.  OK, Lynne bought me a new dock, but that isn't really the point.  
I'd be astonished if Apple reversed their decision to no longer support the 
iPad.  But there are more shocks in the pipeline regarding hardware support.

Gordon

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I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash regarding Apple's decision 
to end support for the original iPad barely two years after it was introduced. 
I wonder if the folks at Apple are setting a precedent here, essentially 
telling us that the iPad has a supported lifespan of approximately 2 years. 
While I'm fully aware of the rapid pace of technology, Apple's decision in this 
instance will cause me to hesitate a bit longer before making my next Apple 
purchase.

Also, I'll be interested to hear from them why they've chosen to deny IOS 6 
feature upgrades for the original iPad while allowing some of those upgrades 
for the iPhone 3GS, a device that was introduced almost a year earlier than the 
iPad.

Of course, the folks at Apple have been kind enough to offer all IOS upgrades 
for no cost to this point, but if cost is the issue I would certainly be 
willing to pay something to have access to IOS 6 or at least the features that 
can be supported on the original iPad.

Assuming the folks at Apple don't reconsider and / or don't offer some of the 
important feature upgrades in an update to IOS 5, I'll be paying serious 
attention to the JB community for the first time,.

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Regarding the End of life of the original iPad [Was: Re: iPad Third Generation]

[Bryan Jones]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash regarding Apple's decision 
to end support for the original iPad barely two years after it was introduced. 
I wonder if the folks at Apple are setting a precedent here, essentially 
telling us that the iPad has a supported lifespan of approximately 2 years. 
While I'm fully aware of the rapid pace of technology, Apple's decision in this 
instance will cause me to hesitate a bit longer before making my next Apple 
purchase.

Also, I'll be interested to hear from them why they've chosen to deny IOS 6 
feature upgrades for the original iPad while allowing some of those upgrades 
for the iPhone 3GS, a device that was introduced almost a year earlier than the 
iPad.

Of course, the folks at Apple have been kind enough to offer all IOS upgrades 
for no cost to this point, but if cost is the issue I would certainly be 
willing to pay something to have access to IOS 6 or at least the features that 
can be supported on the original iPad.

Assuming the folks at Apple don't reconsider and / or don't offer some of the 
important feature upgrades in an update to IOS 5, I'll be paying serious 
attention to the JB community for the first time,.

Bryan

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> I know that the first generation will no longer be supported in IOS 6. That's 
> something to consider. 

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Re: iPad Third Generation

[william lomas]

Time will tell I am sure
Looking forward to getting a focus display to use with it now
We shall see how IOS 6 works out for us all in the very near future.
Good luck if you get an Ipad 2


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> Hi William (with a capital W) ;-)
> 
> I won't dispute what you say because I never had the opportunity of using the 
> iPad II. However, I do know that it is future-proofed for quite a while and I 
> believe that even if it doesn't at present, it will now include the Dictation 
> if you update it to iOS5.1 or later.
> 
> Again, I'm not prepared to gamble on that, since I have no way to verify my 
> comments.  But again, that is my understanding.  It's no secret that iOS6 
> won't support the iPad so I'd expect the iPad 2 to be capable of running it 
> in full, including Siri and/or dictation.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 19 Jun 2012, at 17:55, william lomas  wrote:
> 
> i think it's only on the  he 3 gordon the dictation as my stepdad has the 
> ipad 2 and it is not on his ipad
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Re: iPad Third Generation

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Hi William (with a capital W) ;-)

I won't dispute what you say because I never had the opportunity of using the 
iPad II. However, I do know that it is future-proofed for quite a while and I 
believe that even if it doesn't at present, it will now include the Dictation 
if you update it to iOS5.1 or later.

Again, I'm not prepared to gamble on that, since I have no way to verify my 
comments.  But again, that is my understanding.  It's no secret that iOS6 won't 
support the iPad so I'd expect the iPad 2 to be capable of running it in full, 
including Siri and/or dictation.

Gordon

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i think it's only on the  he 3 gordon the dictation as my stepdad has the ipad 
2 and it is not on his ipad

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Re: iPad 3rd Generation, Spelling On List, & Articles

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Hi Sarah

On 18 Jun 2012, at 18:12, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> every word.

I don't quite get this comment?

I'm tired so I'll make  this short then I'm off to bed. to get rid of the 
misspelled spelled go in to vo utility and verbosity with cmd 2. then go to 
text and set spelling to nothing. you will hear how someone then typed a word 
even if it is wrong. not misspelled or nothing like that I turned that off the 
first day I got my mac 2 years ago lol!

I deliberately leave that enabled actually.  As I said, I fully understand that 
some people do have problems, and we will all try to make allowances for that.  
But sometimes messages are sent to the group and they might as well be written 
in a foreign language, the typing/spelling is so poor.  Everybody makes 
mistakes, including yours truly.  However, there's a difference between genuine 
disability, an error and pure carelessness.

Sarah also writes:

good luck  with the new iPad and let us know how you like it. I'd like to get 
one but right now I cannot justify it. Maybe one day.

I consider myself extremely fortunate in as much as my other half is very 
understanding when it comes to these things.  If truth be told, it was her idea 
to upgrade.  I have been asked by a couple of people probably not members of 
this group to record the transition between iPad 1 and iPad 3 so that they are 
able to get an overview as to how simple or otherwise the process is.  I plan 
to do that tonight and will make it available in the Mac Access podcast.

On that subject we're always more than happy to take contributions to the audio 
podcasts if anybody feels so disposed.  If you'd be interested in having one 
published on Mac Access please feel free to contact the support address and one 
of us will give you more information.  You would, of course, be given full 
credit for your own work if we published it.

The same is true of written articles.  We did once have a contributor who 
wished to remain anonymous.  Their articles are still up on the site to this 
day, but they no longer wish to contribute.  That's fine, but we are still 
looking for that kind of input.

Gordon

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Re: iPad Third Generation

[william lomas]

i think it's only on the  he 3 gordon the dictation as my stepdad has the ipad 
2 and it is not on his ipad

On 19 Jun 2012, at 17:53, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Chris & William
> 
> It's my understanding that Dictation is actually part of the OS, not hardware 
> specific between iPad 2 and 3.  I'm not utterly sure about that, but that's 
> how I understand it.  As for the processor, whether you'd really notice much 
> difference depends upon just one factor in my experience, and that is whether 
> or not you choose the iPad with cellular (3G) functionality.  I base that 
> comment on actual experience, not just guesswork or hearsay.  I will qualify 
> the comment.  I owned an iPhone 3GS since they first came out in, from 
> memory, June 2009 or was it 2010.  Until, that was, a chance visit to a 
> mobile phone shop this year where my own phone happened to ring.  After I'd 
> taken the call, the salesman dealing with Lynne on another issue commented 
> that I could upgrade (trade-in) my iPhone 3GS for a new iPhone 4S.  When he 
> gave me the pricing information, I decided to go for it.  So the upgrade was 
> done on the spot and all my settings were ported over and I didn't have the 
> issue
  o
> f having to find a new home for the old model, nor did I have to throw it 
> into a cupboard and forget about it.
> 
> The difference between the iPhone 3GS and iPad 1 and the iPhone 4S are 
> amazing.  My current iPad has cellular data connection active and, whilst 
> using the mobile network on both the iPhone 3GS and the iPad 1 , I frequently 
> encountered mail stumbling and crashing while trying to cycle through 
> messages.  On the iPhone 4S, however, it's absolutely seamless and smooth 
> with the exact same settings.
> 
> This is also true of web browsing on the respective models.  I was frequently 
> frustrated by the sluggishness of my old iPhone when using cellular data.  
> This problem did not occur when using Wi-Fi networking.
> 
> I have been extremely fortunate in as much as my iPhones were both 64GB 
> models, as are my iPads.  Both the iPad 1 which I currently have and the iPad 
> 3 which arrived today and which I have not yet unpacked, are 64GB models 
> equipped with cellular data connections.  So it's going to be very 
> interesting to do a comparison between the two iPads side-by-side.  All I'm 
> going to do is take the micro-SIM card out of the old iPad and insert it into 
> the new one, there should be no problem there since the iPads are not carrier 
> specific.
> 
> Anyway, if anybody on list is interested I will post details when I try them.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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> all that is new really Chris is a slightly faster processor and dictation i 
> think that's it, really so go for it if happy with ipad 2.
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Re: iPad Third Generation

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Hi Chris & William

It's my understanding that Dictation is actually part of the OS, not hardware 
specific between iPad 2 and 3.  I'm not utterly sure about that, but that's how 
I understand it.  As for the processor, whether you'd really notice much 
difference depends upon just one factor in my experience, and that is whether 
or not you choose the iPad with cellular (3G) functionality.  I base that 
comment on actual experience, not just guesswork or hearsay.  I will qualify 
the comment.  I owned an iPhone 3GS since they first came out in, from memory, 
June 2009 or was it 2010.  Until, that was, a chance visit to a mobile phone 
shop this year where my own phone happened to ring.  After I'd taken the call, 
the salesman dealing with Lynne on another issue commented that I could upgrade 
(trade-in) my iPhone 3GS for a new iPhone 4S.  When he gave me the pricing 
information, I decided to go for it.  So the upgrade was done on the spot and 
all my settings were ported over and I didn't have the issue o
 f having to find a new home for the old model, nor did I have to throw it into 
a cupboard and forget about it.

The difference between the iPhone 3GS and iPad 1 and the iPhone 4S are amazing. 
 My current iPad has cellular data connection active and, whilst using the 
mobile network on both the iPhone 3GS and the iPad 1 , I frequently encountered 
mail stumbling and crashing while trying to cycle through messages.  On the 
iPhone 4S, however, it's absolutely seamless and smooth with the exact same 
settings.

This is also true of web browsing on the respective models.  I was frequently 
frustrated by the sluggishness of my old iPhone when using cellular data.  This 
problem did not occur when using Wi-Fi networking.

I have been extremely fortunate in as much as my iPhones were both 64GB models, 
as are my iPads.  Both the iPad 1 which I currently have and the iPad 3 which 
arrived today and which I have not yet unpacked, are 64GB models equipped with 
cellular data connections.  So it's going to be very interesting to do a 
comparison between the two iPads side-by-side.  All I'm going to do is take the 
micro-SIM card out of the old iPad and insert it into the new one, there should 
be no problem there since the iPads are not carrier specific.

Anyway, if anybody on list is interested I will post details when I try them.

Gordon

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all that is new really Chris is a slightly faster processor and dictation i 
think that's it, really so go for it if happy with ipad 2.

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Re: iPad Third Generation

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Hi

First, a comment To William.  Your name in your E-Mail account is all in small 
letters, i.e., no capital W and no capital L.  Just thought you might like to 
know.

As for the suggestion regarding iPad, William says "It makes more sense".  
Could you qualify that statement?

Gordon


On 18 Jun 2012, at 17:00, chris hallsworth  
wrote:

Thought so thanks for suggestion.

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Re: iPad Third Generation

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Hi Chris

To be honest, I don't know.  But what I can tell you is that the iPad 3 uses 
the new dual core A5 processor, rather than the A4 processor.  I have just 
received my new iPad 3 so I'll tell you how it compares with the original iPad 
shortly.

Gordon

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Well I don't know what would I benefit from an iPad 2 compared to an iPad 3?

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I personally don't like the concept of typing using a Braille style keyboard, 
to be honest.  Actually I've never tried the keyboard on the Connect40, as I 
only use it as a "Display", not a "Perkins". :)

But it's horses for courses, each to their own.  As long as it results in 
messages etc. which are actually legible, then it's not really a problem. ;-)

As for your last line, Mac Access isn't a buy/sell group, as you know. so I 
would hope that anybody interested in buying your display would contact you off 
list.

Gordon

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that's why i better off getting a braille display as can then type directly in 
grade 2 braille in to the mac knowing it all be ok and no typos
mine at the moment, is not equipped with a keyboard


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On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

>> every word.
> 
I'm tired so I'll make  this short then I'm off to bed. to get rid of the 
misspelled spelled go in to vo utility and verbosity with cmd 2. then go to 
text and set spelling to nothing. you will hear how someone then typed a word 
even if it is wrong. not misspelled or nothing like that I turned that off the 
first day I got my mac 2 years ago lol!

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Sounds good I like anything fast so thanks once again.

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all that is new really Chris is a slightly faster processor and dictation i 
think that's it, really so go for it if happy with ipad 2.

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Well I don't know what would I benefit from an iPad 2 compared to an iPad 3?

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If you'd be happy with an iPad 2, they are selling them at the moment in the 
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Hello Lynn I plan to get either an iPad 2 or iPad 3 in the near future 
preferably the iPad 3.

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all that is new really Chris is a slightly faster processor and dictation i 
think that's it, really so go for it if happy with ipad 2.

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> 
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>> If you'd be happy with an iPad 2, they are selling them at the moment in the 
>> Apple store for 70 Pounds off the new price.  The iPad 2 starts at £329.00 
>> whereas the iPad 3 starts at £399.00.
>> 
>> Gordon
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>> preferably the iPad 3.
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Thought so thanks for suggestion.

On 18/06/2012 13:13, william lomas wrote:

i'd get a 3 chriss really makes more sense

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Hello Lynn I plan to get either an iPad 2 or iPad 3 in the near future 
preferably the iPad 3.

On 18/06/2012 12:09, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

Hello everybody

Is there anybody on list who previously owned an iPad 1 and has now upgraded to 
an iPad 2 or iPad 3? I'm asking because we're planning to upgrade and I want to 
know that it's worth while. I'm given to understand that 4G mobile connectivity 
is only supported in the US and Canada. if that's true, then is there any other 
noticeable advantage?

We're thinking of getting the reciprocal model to that which we have now; a 4G 
+ WiFi model, 64GB storage. So if anybody has experience I'd appreciate 
comment. I can only think of 1 good reason at the moment to upgrade, and I 
cannot discuss that. But if there are others I'd like to know what they may be.

Thank you.



Lynne

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Well I don't know what would I benefit from an iPad 2 compared to an iPad 3?

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If you'd be happy with an iPad 2, they are selling them at the moment in the 
Apple store for 70 Pounds off the new price.  The iPad 2 starts at £329.00 
whereas the iPad 3 starts at £399.00.

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Hi William

No offence, but your message did not say what you've just re-written.  What you 
said was, and I quote:

> ebay the old one someone willt ake it"

> Actually all you did was put spaces in the wrong places.  But it was still 
> quite difficult to understand because all I was hearing was "Miss-spelled", 
> "Miss-Spelled" before every word.

Gordon

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it said ebay the old one someone will take it, how is that difficult to 
understand?

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that's why i better off getting a braille display as can then type directly in 
grade 2 braille in to the mac knowing it all be ok and no typos
mine at the moment, is not equipped with a keyboard
would anyone on list want my braille display to use with the mac?

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it said ebay the old one someone will take it, how is that difficult to 
understand?

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Hi Chris

If you'd be happy with an iPad 2, they are selling them at the moment in the 
Apple store for 70 Pounds off the new price.  The iPad 2 starts at £329.00 
whereas the iPad 3 starts at £399.00.

Gordon

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preferably the iPad 3.

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Hi William

What language is the below supposed to be?  I really encourage people to please 
take a little more care with their spelling.  I know that some people have 
other problems and we try to allow for that.  But sometimes it's difficult to 
comprehend messages whose content is badly spelled throughout.

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ebay the old one someone willt ake it

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Hello William

As I recall, it was Lynne who advised you to set your phone or iPad back to UK 
because of the voices. :)

Ours are always set to uK English.

Gordon

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dictation works fine for me
set it to UK

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Hi Tim

es, we already have considered that; and Lynne has ordered an upgrade for me 
this afternoon from the Apple Store.  It should be with me on Wednesday.  She 
also ordered one of the new leather Smart Covers, and also an iPad Dock.  So, 
I'm not sure whether we'll be taking the MacBook Pro to London.  Probably will, 
because of the additional functionality.  But we'll see.

Gordon

On 18 Jun 2012, at 12:38, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:

I know that the first generation will no longer be supported in IOS 6. That's 
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Hi,

It is my understanding that dictation is a different feature from Siri. 
On the iPhone 4s and iPad 3 when a keyboard comes up there is a
dictation button.  When IOS6 comes out the full Siri will be on the iPad
3 as well.



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> That's certainly a compelling reason. I guess we could do that with the 
> iPhone 4S using Siri; but it doesn't work that well with non-US English which 
> really irritates me.
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i'd get a 3 chriss really makes more sense

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>> want to know that it's worth while. I'm given to understand that 4G mobile 
>> connectivity is only supported in the US and Canada. if that's true, then is 
>> there any other noticeable advantage?
>> 
>> We're thinking of getting the reciprocal model to that which we have now; a 
>> 4G + WiFi model, 64GB storage. So if anybody has experience I'd appreciate 
>> comment. I can only think of 1 good reason at the moment to upgrade, and I 
>> cannot discuss that. But if there are others I'd like to know what they may 
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>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Hello Lynn I plan to get either an iPad 2 or iPad 3 in the near future 
preferably the iPad 3.


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Hello everybody

Is there anybody on list who previously owned an iPad 1 and has now upgraded to 
an iPad 2 or iPad 3? I'm asking because we're planning to upgrade and I want to 
know that it's worth while. I'm given to understand that 4G mobile connectivity 
is only supported in the US and Canada. if that's true, then is there any other 
noticeable advantage?

We're thinking of getting the reciprocal model to that which we have now; a 4G 
+ WiFi model, 64GB storage. So if anybody has experience I'd appreciate 
comment. I can only think of 1 good reason at the moment to upgrade, and I 
cannot discuss that. But if there are others I'd like to know what they may be.

Thank you.



Lynne

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Re: iPad Third Generation

[william lomas]

ebay the old one someone willt ake it

On 18 Jun 2012, at 12:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello William
> 
> Thanks for the info. We have the original iPad which is noticeably slower 
> actually than the iPhone 4S doing the same things. So I guess it's time to 
> upgrade. It just irritates me that we'll have an iPad sitting here doing 
> nothing.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 18 Jun 2012, at 12:16, william lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi lyn it is public knowledge that siri will be on the ipad 3 supposedly in 
> ios six.
> 
> Also as you pointed out I think for now we in the UK can only use 3g not the 
> 4g system I think it suports both. I know I have never owned an ipad before, 
> but the wifi model suits me fine depends how much of course you intend to 
> travel with the ipad itself.
> regards, will
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> On 18 Jun 2012, at 12:09, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Is there anybody on list who previously owned an iPad 1 and has now upgraded 
>> to an iPad 2 or iPad 3? I'm asking because we're planning to upgrade and I 
>> want to know that it's worth while. I'm given to understand that 4G mobile 
>> connectivity is only supported in the US and Canada. if that's true, then is 
>> there any other noticeable advantage?
>> 
>> We're thinking of getting the reciprocal model to that which we have now; a 
>> 4G + WiFi model, 64GB storage. So if anybody has experience I'd appreciate 
>> comment. I can only think of 1 good reason at the moment to upgrade, and I 
>> cannot discuss that. But if there are others I'd like to know what they may 
>> be.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lynne
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Re: iPad Third Generation

[william lomas]

dictation works fine for me
set it to UK

On 18 Jun 2012, at 12:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Chris
> 
> That's certainly a compelling reason. I guess we could do that with the 
> iPhone 4S using Siri; but it doesn't work that well with non-US English which 
> really irritates me.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 18 Jun 2012, at 12:16, Chris G  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I really like the dictation feature on the iPad 3.  I don't have that on
> the iPhone 4 and miss it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:09:49 +0100
> "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"  wrote:
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>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Is there anybody on list who previously owned an iPad 1 and has now upgraded 
>> to an iPad 2 or iPad 3? I'm asking because we're planning to upgrade and I 
>> want to know that it's worth while. I'm given to understand that 4G mobile 
>> connectivity is only supported in the US and Canada. if that's true, then is 
>> there any other noticeable advantage?
>> 
>> We're thinking of getting the reciprocal model to that which we have now; a 
>> 4G + WiFi model, 64GB storage. So if anybody has experience I'd appreciate 
>> comment. I can only think of 1 good reason at the moment to upgrade, and I 
>> cannot discuss that. But if there are others I'd like to know what they may 
>> be.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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