Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Alex, Everyone has already suggested what I was going to suggest. I was going to say put something on the end of the tweezers so they don't scratch the CD but that would make the whole point of using them in the first place kind of dumb. No offence, but that library sounds crazy! 200 dollars? Yikes! I hope the book or whatever it is is good. I hope as it was the library who put the lable on the disk which I have always been told not to do just because of cases like this, will either forgive you the 200 or pay for any damages their dumb lable has caused. Let us know how it comes out. Best wishes Jenny On 7/8/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract it. On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive is actually trying but failing to eject. Is the computer covered under apple care? My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather stubbon when pulling it out. Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, Try force quit and relaunch finder. Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ volumename And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. And if that doesn't work: throwing up hands On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: very sorry, i thought the subject was macbook pro prices... sorry again. mike On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I don't want 2 devices On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Kevin, I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the whole phone bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made Any help most welcome Best regards Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better results. Final thoughts. In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where things are on the
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what if any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said I'm with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm going to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so soon. LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) On 7/9/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I don't want 2 devices On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Kevin, I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the whole phone bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made Any help most welcome Best regards Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
would you clarify the trick in handeling volume? I am attempting to raise the vo volume while on a call so I can hear the keys to perform touchtone requirements. You may have information I have missed. thanks much larry - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better results. Final thoughts. In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel like a week of working with the phone would get me pretty much up to speed. It wouldn't be that much of a learning curve to stunt my productivity. My only concern is the fact that I can definitely dial faster on my nokia n82, and easily locate a contact, using quick letter navigation. I know that the dial pad will take some time on the iPhone. It's just one of those things that's going through my mind as I'm making this decision. The store opens at 10 AM tomorrow. I could easily go in and get one. Am I ready? Not sure. Should
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Just out of curiosity. Are you satisfied with your current cell phone? I haven't sen and IPhone £GS myself yet, although I have sen one of the older models. Theya re certainly very light but personally I'm more than happy with my Noia 6210 as I am can type very quickly. I think that would be my bigest concern with the new IPhone - typing on th touch screen keyboard. Very nice to read your impression though Take care James - Original Message - From: larry lrmccre...@earthlink.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. would you clarify the trick in handeling volume? I am attempting to raise the vo volume while on a call so I can hear the keys to perform touchtone requirements. You may have information I have missed. thanks much larry - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better results. Final thoughts. In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where
Re: Working with MobileMe web mail and setting up aliases [was Re: Setting aliases in mobileme]
Dear Esther, Thank you for such an excellent set of steps to help me set up aliases in MobileMe. It was well worth waiting for. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 9 Jul 2009, at 05:17, Esther wrote: Hello Simon, Simon Cavendish wrote: Has anyone successfully set aliases in MobileMe with VO? I tried many times yesterday but failed. Any tips? I have set up mail aliases in MobileMe, although I have to say that it was a lot easier to do in the previous incarnation as dot Mac. You'll need to work with the web interface to MobileMe, which is where the current accessibility issues are. I've found it much easier if I set my mouse cursor to track my VoiceOver cursor for the navigation options under VoiceOver utility, though I'm not sure it's necessary now for setting up aliases. In the past there were some instances where I could not select with VO-Space, but had to click with VO- Shift- Space, in order to choose options. If I didn't have cursor tracking turned on, I couldn't reliably make selections. Since I've generally found that the accessible performance of the MobileMe web interface is better, or at least equally good when using the Webkit nightly builds instead of Safari, I'll describe the procedure of setting up mail aliases for MobileMe using the latest Webkit nightly build to log into your MobileMe web page and using DOM navigation for web navigation preferences. Another general comment: The web format of MobileMe appears to substitute the Control key for the Command key in normal Mac shortcut key sequences and preferences. By that, I mean that if you have selected Mail from the MobileMe web options, you can reply to messages you read with Control-R instead of Command-R, compose new mail with Control-N instead of Command-N, forward messages with Shift- Control-F instead of Shift-Command-F, etc. And the shortcut to bring up preferences for the MobileMe web form of mail is Control-Comma instead of Command-Comma. This helps a lot if you want to use the MobileMe web pages to read and respond to your mail. The other general comment is that when navigating to preferences use item chooser menu. Somehow, the separate windows (for preferences and for the mail messages area) don't appear to be well separated under MobileMe's web site, and contents appear jumbled together. So in order to move to the various preference panes, you won't be able to use window chooser menu to navigate; you're going to have to use item chooser menu to navigate to the pane selections, including the one for setting aliases. I found I couldn't reliably activate the Add new alias link unless I had cursor tracking on. 1. Log in with your user name and password at MobileMe's web page at: http://www.me.com (There is a setting under your local machine's mail accounts preferences (brought up with Command-Comma) where, if you select MobileMe as the account, there will be an Edit E-mail aliases button on the Account Information tab, but this only brings up he MobileMe web page set to mail. I find it much easier to ignore this and simply log into the MobileMe web page myself, then choose the mail and bring up mail preferences for the web page with Control-Comma.) For example, if your MobileMe email is address is simoncavend...@me.com you would type the part before the AT sign into the user name text edit field (e.g.,simoncavendish), then tab, then type in your MobileMe password. 2. After you've logged in, interact with the HTML area. You're probably in your Mail utility, but in general, if you VO-Right arrow after interacting, you'll hear the different MobileMe selection option links announced: Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Gallery, iDisk, and Account Settings. Press (VO-Space) on your selected link (in this case, use VO-Space on the first link, which is mail) to select this option. As I said, I think this may default to Mail if there were no previous selections, and you can VO-Right arrow to the mailbox selections and then to the messages table. 3. Press Control-Comma to bring up your mail preferences. I'll quote from Take Control of MobileMe for the description of preferences: begin quote Configure MobileMe Mail Preferences When you choose Preferences, MobileMe presents five sets of preferences: General, Composing, Viewing, Aliases, and Other. Click one of those icons to display a view containing that category. When you’re finished modifying preferences (in one or more views), click the Save button at the bottom; to discard changes and return to your previous location, click Cancel. end quote 4. Use item chooser menu (VO-I) and start typing your selection, e.g. Aliases, then carriage return or VO-Space to choose the item chooser menu option and be directed to the icon. VO-Space to activate this menu option. 5. Use item chooser menu again, and type Alias. Arrow down to the entry for Create or delete an Alias and either press
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I'm really not. talks on the nokia 6682 seems a bit slugish at times and will crash once in a while. Having spent the money though I will try to get at least 2 years out of it since I'm really a cheap little troll. On 9-Jul-09, at 4:56 AM, James Nash wrote: Just out of curiosity. Are you satisfied with your current cell phone? I haven't sen and IPhone £GS myself yet, although I have sen one of the older models. Theya re certainly very light but personally I'm more than happy with my Noia 6210 as I am can type very quickly. I think that would be my bigest concern with the new IPhone - typing on th touch screen keyboard. Very nice to read your impression though Take care James - Original Message - From: larry lrmccre...@earthlink.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. would you clarify the trick in handeling volume? I am attempting to raise the vo volume while on a call so I can hear the keys to perform touchtone requirements. You may have information I have missed. thanks much larry - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors.
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I read something on apples website about the touch pad access, and numpad commander was still available making three options for navigation. On 9-Jul-09, at 5:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
HI, They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how
Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook
Hi, MBP, A.K.A. the pro is lighter. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 3:31 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the MacBook or the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the price is a litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with my 1st generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their MacBooks or MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to choose between them. Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
It's now fixed was Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Hi, It is $40 a CD for a 5 disk set because the other four would have useless without #1. But Anywho, It is out. shaking the MBP seems to have done it after all, putting it down and walking away from it was one of the best things to do at the moment. Yay, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 11:57 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Alex, Everyone has already suggested what I was going to suggest. I was going to say put something on the end of the tweezers so they don't scratch the CD but that would make the whole point of using them in the first place kind of dumb. No offence, but that library sounds crazy! 200 dollars? Yikes! I hope the book or whatever it is is good. I hope as it was the library who put the lable on the disk which I have always been told not to do just because of cases like this, will either forgive you the 200 or pay for any damages their dumb lable has caused. Let us know how it comes out. Best wishes Jenny On 7/8/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract it. On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive is actually trying but failing to eject. Is the computer covered under apple care? My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather stubbon when pulling it out. Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, Try force quit and relaunch finder. Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ volumename And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. And if that doesn't work: throwing up hands On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: very sorry, i thought the subject was macbook pro prices... sorry again. mike On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to
Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook
Thanks Alex - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook Hi, MBP, A.K.A. the pro is lighter. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 3:31 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the MacBook or the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the price is a litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with my 1st generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their MacBooks or MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to choose between them. Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
HI, No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website.
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
The VoiceOver volume is separate from the phone's volume. It can be turned up very loud, but there is a trick to it. You need to turn up the volume while VO is speaking. Unless you are calling a lot of numbers that are not in your contacts, I've found that I rarely use the keypad, but that the keypad is quite easy to use. You can create a list of favorite numbers which acts as a sort of speed dial. Mail is not set up the way you describe, because there really isn't enough room on the screen. There is a screen for switching mailboxes, and once in a mailbox, you just ahve a list of messages. The touch screen does seem strange at first, but that's only because it is an input medium with which the blind are, by and large, totally unfamiliar with. It rapidly becomes second nature. I can't imagine going back to any of my previous phones. The iPhone is far faster and efficient than any other phone with third-party screen readers, and I can do far more with the iPhone than I have ever been able to with previous phones I've owned. HTH. On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better results. Final thoughts. In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel like a week of working with the phone would get me pretty much up to speed. It wouldn't be that much of a learning curve
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Ah ok i understand now tahnk you James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I will try to get my Iphone in the beginning of August, since i'm going on vacation and when i get back the Iphone will have been released here in Sweden. I can't wait until the 10th of August. /Krister 9 jul 2009 kl. 09.58 skrev Jenny Kennedy: nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what if any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said I'm with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm going to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so soon. LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) On 7/9/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I don't want 2 devices On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Kevin, I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the whole phone bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made Any help most welcome Best regards Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a
iphone mailng listRe: Working with MobileMe web mail and setting up aliases [was
hi, can somebody help , i can not subscribe to the iphone mailing list. thank you. rk Il giorno 09/lug/09, alle ore 11:31, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear Esther, Thank you for such an excellent set of steps to help me set up aliases in MobileMe. It was well worth waiting for. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 9 Jul 2009, at 05:17, Esther wrote: Hello Simon, Simon Cavendish wrote: Has anyone successfully set aliases in MobileMe with VO? I tried many times yesterday but failed. Any tips? I have set up mail aliases in MobileMe, although I have to say that it was a lot easier to do in the previous incarnation as dot Mac. You'll need to work with the web interface to MobileMe, which is where the current accessibility issues are. I've found it much easier if I set my mouse cursor to track my VoiceOver cursor for the navigation options under VoiceOver utility, though I'm not sure it's necessary now for setting up aliases. In the past there were some instances where I could not select with VO-Space, but had to click with VO- Shift- Space, in order to choose options. If I didn't have cursor tracking turned on, I couldn't reliably make selections. Since I've generally found that the accessible performance of the MobileMe web interface is better, or at least equally good when using the Webkit nightly builds instead of Safari, I'll describe the procedure of setting up mail aliases for MobileMe using the latest Webkit nightly build to log into your MobileMe web page and using DOM navigation for web navigation preferences. Another general comment: The web format of MobileMe appears to substitute the Control key for the Command key in normal Mac shortcut key sequences and preferences. By that, I mean that if you have selected Mail from the MobileMe web options, you can reply to messages you read with Control-R instead of Command-R, compose new mail with Control-N instead of Command-N, forward messages with Shift- Control-F instead of Shift-Command-F, etc. And the shortcut to bring up preferences for the MobileMe web form of mail is Control-Comma instead of Command-Comma. This helps a lot if you want to use the MobileMe web pages to read and respond to your mail. The other general comment is that when navigating to preferences use item chooser menu. Somehow, the separate windows (for preferences and for the mail messages area) don't appear to be well separated under MobileMe's web site, and contents appear jumbled together. So in order to move to the various preference panes, you won't be able to use window chooser menu to navigate; you're going to have to use item chooser menu to navigate to the pane selections, including the one for setting aliases. I found I couldn't reliably activate the Add new alias link unless I had cursor tracking on. 1. Log in with your user name and password at MobileMe's web page at: http://www.me.com (There is a setting under your local machine's mail accounts preferences (brought up with Command-Comma) where, if you select MobileMe as the account, there will be an Edit E-mail aliases button on the Account Information tab, but this only brings up he MobileMe web page set to mail. I find it much easier to ignore this and simply log into the MobileMe web page myself, then choose the mail and bring up mail preferences for the web page with Control-Comma.) For example, if your MobileMe email is address is simoncavend...@me.com you would type the part before the AT sign into the user name text edit field (e.g.,simoncavendish), then tab, then type in your MobileMe password. 2. After you've logged in, interact with the HTML area. You're probably in your Mail utility, but in general, if you VO-Right arrow after interacting, you'll hear the different MobileMe selection option links announced: Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Gallery, iDisk, and Account Settings. Press (VO-Space) on your selected link (in this case, use VO-Space on the first link, which is mail) to select this option. As I said, I think this may default to Mail if there were no previous selections, and you can VO-Right arrow to the mailbox selections and then to the messages table. 3. Press Control-Comma to bring up your mail preferences. I'll quote from Take Control of MobileMe for the description of preferences: begin quote Configure MobileMe Mail Preferences When you choose Preferences, MobileMe presents five sets of preferences: General, Composing, Viewing, Aliases, and Other. Click one of those icons to display a view containing that category. When you’re finished modifying preferences (in one or more views), click the Save button at the bottom; to discard changes and return to your previous location, click Cancel. end quote 4. Use item chooser menu (VO-I) and start typing your selection, e.g. Aliases, then carriage return or VO-Space to choose the item chooser menu option and be
Re: iphone mailng listRe: Working with MobileMe web mail and setting up aliases [was
Dear Rostislava, Please e-mail the moderator of the VIPhone list directly. Her name is Cara Quinn and her e-mail address is: caraqu...@caraquinn.com With best wishes Simon On 9 Jul 2009, at 19:43, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: hi, can somebody help , i can not subscribe to the iphone mailing list. thank you. rk Il giorno 09/lug/09, alle ore 11:31, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear Esther, Thank you for such an excellent set of steps to help me set up aliases in MobileMe. It was well worth waiting for. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 9 Jul 2009, at 05:17, Esther wrote: Hello Simon, Simon Cavendish wrote: Has anyone successfully set aliases in MobileMe with VO? I tried many times yesterday but failed. Any tips? I have set up mail aliases in MobileMe, although I have to say that it was a lot easier to do in the previous incarnation as dot Mac. You'll need to work with the web interface to MobileMe, which is where the current accessibility issues are. I've found it much easier if I set my mouse cursor to track my VoiceOver cursor for the navigation options under VoiceOver utility, though I'm not sure it's necessary now for setting up aliases. In the past there were some instances where I could not select with VO-Space, but had to click with VO- Shift- Space, in order to choose options. If I didn't have cursor tracking turned on, I couldn't reliably make selections. Since I've generally found that the accessible performance of the MobileMe web interface is better, or at least equally good when using the Webkit nightly builds instead of Safari, I'll describe the procedure of setting up mail aliases for MobileMe using the latest Webkit nightly build to log into your MobileMe web page and using DOM navigation for web navigation preferences. Another general comment: The web format of MobileMe appears to substitute the Control key for the Command key in normal Mac shortcut key sequences and preferences. By that, I mean that if you have selected Mail from the MobileMe web options, you can reply to messages you read with Control-R instead of Command-R, compose new mail with Control-N instead of Command-N, forward messages with Shift- Control-F instead of Shift-Command-F, etc. And the shortcut to bring up preferences for the MobileMe web form of mail is Control-Comma instead of Command-Comma. This helps a lot if you want to use the MobileMe web pages to read and respond to your mail. The other general comment is that when navigating to preferences use item chooser menu. Somehow, the separate windows (for preferences and for the mail messages area) don't appear to be well separated under MobileMe's web site, and contents appear jumbled together. So in order to move to the various preference panes, you won't be able to use window chooser menu to navigate; you're going to have to use item chooser menu to navigate to the pane selections, including the one for setting aliases. I found I couldn't reliably activate the Add new alias link unless I had cursor tracking on. 1. Log in with your user name and password at MobileMe's web page at: http://www.me.com (There is a setting under your local machine's mail accounts preferences (brought up with Command-Comma) where, if you select MobileMe as the account, there will be an Edit E-mail aliases button on the Account Information tab, but this only brings up he MobileMe web page set to mail. I find it much easier to ignore this and simply log into the MobileMe web page myself, then choose the mail and bring up mail preferences for the web page with Control-Comma.) For example, if your MobileMe email is address is simoncavend...@me.com you would type the part before the AT sign into the user name text edit field (e.g.,simoncavendish), then tab, then type in your MobileMe password. 2. After you've logged in, interact with the HTML area. You're probably in your Mail utility, but in general, if you VO-Right arrow after interacting, you'll hear the different MobileMe selection option links announced: Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Gallery, iDisk, and Account Settings. Press (VO-Space) on your selected link (in this case, use VO-Space on the first link, which is mail) to select this option. As I said, I think this may default to Mail if there were no previous selections, and you can VO-Right arrow to the mailbox selections and then to the messages table. 3. Press Control-Comma to bring up your mail preferences. I'll quote from Take Control of MobileMe for the description of preferences: begin quote Configure MobileMe Mail Preferences When you choose Preferences, MobileMe presents five sets of preferences: General, Composing, Viewing, Aliases, and Other. Click one of those icons to display a view containing that category. When you’re finished modifying preferences (in one or more views), click the Save button at the
Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook
The pro is thinner, has a SD card slot and a multi touch pad that will come in handy with some of the new features of VoiceOver in Snowleopard. Brett On Jul 9, 2009, at 4:31 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the MacBook or the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the price is a litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with my 1st generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their MacBooks or MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to choose between them. Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook
Thanks Brett, I think i will probably opt for the Pro after more research and talking to a few other people too. Take care James - Original Message - From: Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook The pro is thinner, has a SD card slot and a multi touch pad that will come in handy with some of the new features of VoiceOver in Snowleopard. Brett On Jul 9, 2009, at 4:31 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the MacBook or the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the price is a litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with my 1st generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their MacBooks or MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to choose between them. Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Introduction from Jonathan Cohn
Hello fellow Macintosh Users, I live in Northern Virginia, and have been using Macintoshes since the late 1980's. I have RP and have not needed full time voice until after Tiger came out. My current Macintosh is a e-Mac 17 running the latest Leopard and Safari. My goals over the next few weeks are: 1, Determine how jump mode works in VO. 2. Find better ways to read large e-mails. 3. Determine if it is just me that has issues with VO-F (Find) working with Safari 4 and HTML e-mail. (perhaps fixed now that Safari is 4.02) 4. Find efficiencies in adding members to address book. 5. Get my Windows smart phone reloaded with the CodeFactory software and sync address book and calendar. 6 Get automatic move ofNFB NewsLine newspapers from e-mail to Victor reader. JOn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: MacBook Pro or MacBook
The pro will have the ability to use the video card in ways the mb won't in the soon to be released snow leopard. This information came from a sales rep when I purchased the I phone. Pete -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Nash Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:52 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook Thanks Brett, I think i will probably opt for the Pro after more research and talking to a few other people too. Take care James - Original Message - From: Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook The pro is thinner, has a SD card slot and a multi touch pad that will come in handy with some of the new features of VoiceOver in Snowleopard. Brett On Jul 9, 2009, at 4:31 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the MacBook or the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the price is a litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with my 1st generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their MacBooks or MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to choose between them. Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Josh, I think you sold me on the iPhone. :-) I had this t-mobile dash? I think? Huge pain in the neck. I did not like it at all the phone was bulkey as it was like holding a square of tile up to your head. Wasn't all that impressed with mobilespeak and didn't see putting down so much money for a program that at best was only mildly frustrating. Right now I have no accessability on the handset I'm using. I have had ringtones set for different people when they call and at one point I had large pictures of the people too and that helped. But no txting or web surffing or any of the stuff everyone else gets to do. Tell me. If I were to switch providers how much are their rate plans with internet? I pay about $70 a month now. Also do you have to put a big deposit down? I didn't when I started using t-mobile four years ago and have had a good payment record with them over the past several years. This in fact is the reason I'd be reluctent to switch because of the fact there may be a deposit as I've really no credit to speak of and what there is isnt much. Anyone who can answer, thanks much :-) Best Wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I will try to get my Iphone in the beginning of August, since i'm going on vacation and when i get back the Iphone will have been released here in Sweden. I can't wait until the 10th of August. /Krister 9 jul 2009 kl. 09.58 skrev Jenny Kennedy: nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what if any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said I'm with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm going to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so soon. LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) On 7/9/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I don't want 2 devices On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Kevin, I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the whole phone bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made Any help most welcome Best regards Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Oh goodness. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause confusion. No. I thought I had read someplace on this list that soneone had thought num pad commander was getting scrapped. It isn't. Thank goodness because that's what I use now that I have a wireless keyboard connected to the macbook... This leads me to a question though. If SL is going to support bluetooth braille displays, would they or is there even, a bluetooth keyboard to buy? I'm thinking something along the lines of a small desktop sort of bluetooth keyboard. I like the wireless one but it takes up one of my two USB ports and my t-drive takes up the other when I'm in the bedroom... I need more usb ports and if I could scruntch my USB requirements I wouldn't have to look for such a large usb hub. Best wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com wrote: Ah ok i understand now tahnk you James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with
Re: It's now fixed was Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Alex, Yay! Very happy you were able to get the CD out. That's good news also glad your library isn't as insane as I had thought : smile : Sometimes walking away and cooling off and regrouping is the best thing to do. Best Wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, It is $40 a CD for a 5 disk set because the other four would have useless without #1. But Anywho, It is out. shaking the MBP seems to have done it after all, putting it down and walking away from it was one of the best things to do at the moment. Yay, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 11:57 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Alex, Everyone has already suggested what I was going to suggest. I was going to say put something on the end of the tweezers so they don't scratch the CD but that would make the whole point of using them in the first place kind of dumb. No offence, but that library sounds crazy! 200 dollars? Yikes! I hope the book or whatever it is is good. I hope as it was the library who put the lable on the disk which I have always been told not to do just because of cases like this, will either forgive you the 200 or pay for any damages their dumb lable has caused. Let us know how it comes out. Best wishes Jenny On 7/8/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract it. On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive is actually trying but failing to eject. Is the computer covered under apple care? My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather stubbon when pulling it out. Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, Try force quit and relaunch finder. Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ volumename And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. And if that doesn't work: throwing up hands On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: very sorry, i thought the subject was macbook pro prices... sorry again. mike On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
Re: Introduction from Jonathan Cohn
Well Howdy! I don't know what jump mode is. Could you expand on that? Just curious. From what I can tell, the VO fin in Safari only looks at what is on the current screen. I've been using the items list (VO-i) for that purpose very successfully. - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: Introduction from Jonathan Cohn Hello fellow Macintosh Users, I live in Northern Virginia, and have been using Macintoshes since the late 1980's. I have RP and have not needed full time voice until after Tiger came out. My current Macintosh is a e-Mac 17 running the latest Leopard and Safari. My goals over the next few weeks are: 1, Determine how jump mode works in VO. 2. Find better ways to read large e-mails. 3. Determine if it is just me that has issues with VO-F (Find) working with Safari 4 and HTML e-mail. (perhaps fixed now that Safari is 4.02) 4. Find efficiencies in adding members to address book. 5. Get my Windows smart phone reloaded with the CodeFactory software and sync address book and calendar. 6 Get automatic move ofNFB NewsLine newspapers from e-mail to Victor reader. JOn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
mac more sensative to lightning?
Hello all, My mac yesterday got fried by lightning as I was using it durring a storm plugged into a serge protector. It all seemed to work fine until Apple had me reset the pram to help resolve another problem and then it would not boot. Now it won't even turn on. This is the second mac mini to do this. Is the mac more sensative to power serges and/or lightning strikes than pcs? Would it get fried even plugged into a serge protector? Also, should I unplug the mac from the wall as well as turn it off durring a storm? I'm asking these things because I've used pc's durring storms and this never happened with any of them. Thanks, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac more sensative to lightning?
Hi, How do you know it was lightening? What was the other problem you were working on? Maybe the Mac was in the process of dying and the lightening had nothing to do with the Mac dying. Marsh On Jul 9, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected. The internet is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall. My speakers are also plugged into the serge protector. The keyboard isn't and it's usb, and also the monitor adapter isn't. What's wierd is it stopped working after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram. Thanks, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hello Keith and all: Go for it (wink). I do have to tease you a little though ... my Apple journey got started over at the Apple store near I-65. So, if the guys in Green Hills cause you to stand on line again ... just hop over to the other store in town ... they will help you out and take all the money you did not know you wanted to spend (wink). You want one now ... you know you do (smile). One Nashvillian to another ... even though I was a transplant (smile). On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: The VoiceOver volume is separate from the phone's volume. It can be turned up very loud, but there is a trick to it. You need to turn up the volume while VO is speaking. Unless you are calling a lot of numbers that are not in your contacts, I've found that I rarely use the keypad, but that the keypad is quite easy to use. You can create a list of favorite numbers which acts as a sort of speed dial. Mail is not set up the way you describe, because there really isn't enough room on the screen. There is a screen for switching mailboxes, and once in a mailbox, you just ahve a list of messages. The touch screen does seem strange at first, but that's only because it is an input medium with which the blind are, by and large, totally unfamiliar with. It rapidly becomes second nature. I can't imagine going back to any of my previous phones. The iPhone is far faster and efficient than any other phone with third-party screen readers, and I can do far more with the iPhone than I have ever been able to with previous phones I've owned. HTH. On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily see that
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, Genny, I have the BT Apple one without numpad, but there is also stand alone numpads that may come in bt versions. For USB hubs, I have a bus powered four-port hub that is about three inches by three inches if that. Cost: Apple BT keyboard: CAD $80; BT numpad: CAD $70-150; USB hub: CAD $1.00-4.00; Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 4:09 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Oh goodness. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause confusion. No. I thought I had read someplace on this list that soneone had thought num pad commander was getting scrapped. It isn't. Thank goodness because that's what I use now that I have a wireless keyboard connected to the macbook... This leads me to a question though. If SL is going to support bluetooth braille displays, would they or is there even, a bluetooth keyboard to buy? I'm thinking something along the lines of a small desktop sort of bluetooth keyboard. I like the wireless one but it takes up one of my two USB ports and my t-drive takes up the other when I'm in the bedroom... I need more usb ports and if I could scruntch my USB requirements I wouldn't have to look for such a large usb hub. Best wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com wrote: Ah ok i understand now tahnk you James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard HI, They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read this somewhere or did someone tell you this? On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to be in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. But I don't think it is. I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been made that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. But understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the interest is out there. The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. Apple has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put in a lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to cut them a little slack. Best wishes. Jenny On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu wrote: Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the general public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. Marsh On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have
Re: smart mailbox question
The easiest way to move items to a mailbox is to create a rule. Just remember that you can enter more than one criteria per rule. For example, I have a MacVisionary rule that moves everything from this list serve into a MacVisionary mailbox. The first criteria is: Subject contains MacVisionary. The I added From Contains Macvisionary. This system also works for my I Phone list. I had to add From and then Subject and the Message contains IPhone before I caught all of the incoming mail and routed them to the correct mailbox. And if first you don't succeed, go back and modify your rule until you get it right. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
