kindle for the mac and iphone?
this seems interesting http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/18/amazon_kindle_for_mac/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: kindle for the mac and iphone?
Hi, I tried installing the Kindle for the Mac software, and it isn't accessible. But maybe some low vision users can report back on their experience? If you do get the app, you'll start up in the (unspoken) text field for your Amazon login name. Type that in, press tab, then type in your password and press return. But the only thing that VoiceOver announces if you get this working is Scroll Area, and no amount of interacting, navigating, etc. gives you anything else spoken. There may be a reason that the Amazon website doesn't talk about accessibility. Cheers, Esther On 18 Mar 2010, at 03:55, mani wrote: I wonder if it is accessible. It doesn't talk about accessibility on the Amazon website. mani On Mar 18, 7:27 am, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: this seems interesting http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/18/amazon_kindle_for_mac/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: kindle for the mac and iphone?
Hello Will, Apparently the kindle_for_mac is not accessible with VoiceOver. Cheers, Anne On Mar 18, 2010, at 12:27 PM, william lomas wrote: this seems interesting http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/18/amazon_kindle_for_mac/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To post to this group, send email to viph...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: kindle for the mac and iphone?
Thank you Esther, Anne and Ed for testing the accessibility and containing my excitement. mani On Mar 18, 10:09 am, E.J. Zufelt li...@zufelt.ca wrote: Good morning, Thanks to those who tested and reported back. The problem in making an eBook reading application accessible to a screen-reader, particularly the content of the book, is that this would necessarily make the book content accessible to copying to another file. I find it frustrating, but can understand not making the book content accessible to VoiceOver. It would, however, be possible for Amazon to use the Apple Speech API to make the application self-voicing. Thanks, Everett Zufelthttp://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitterhttp://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profilehttp://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-03-18, at 10:05 AM, Esther wrote: Hi, I tried installing the Kindle for the Mac software, and it isn't accessible. But maybe some low vision users can report back on their experience? If you do get the app, you'll start up in the (unspoken) text field for your Amazon login name. Type that in, press tab, then type in your password and press return. But the only thing that VoiceOver announces if you get this working is Scroll Area, and no amount of interacting, navigating, etc. gives you anything else spoken. There may be a reason that the Amazon website doesn't talk about accessibility. Cheers, Esther On 18 Mar 2010, at 03:55, mani wrote: I wonder if it is accessible. It doesn't talk about accessibility on the Amazon website. mani On Mar 18, 7:27 am, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: this seems interesting http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/18/amazon_kindle_for_mac/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
cannot send wit the smtp server nul?
Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. Take care. Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com msn: chell...@hotmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1 podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: cannot send wit the smtp server nul?
Hi Sarah, On 18 Mar 2010, at 15:13, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. What are you using? POP or IMAP? Have you made sure that GMIL knows to use the correct incoming address and that you have the correct radio button selected on the website for either POP or IMAP? The address for POP is: pop.gmail.com The address for IMAP is: imap.gmail.com TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. Take care. Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com msn: chell...@hotmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1 podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: cannot send wit the smtp server nul?
It's a problem with gmail rather than Mail, specifically. Sometimes taking all accounts offline, restarting and taking all accounts online again solves this problem. I've seen it on multiple machines with other people using gmail accounts. On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. Take care. Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com msn: chell...@hotmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1 podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone know if I can purchase a old copy of Leopard
Thanks for the tip. Seems that they have gone up to $189.95. I'll check around some used stuff sites to see if I can turn up something. I was expecting the price to drop after being discontinued, not shoot up. CB Esther wrote: Hello Shaun, Chris, Scott, and Others, This is an answer to a request of where to find copies of Leopard install disks at less outrageous prices. Try FastMac for new retail copies of the Leopard Disc for $179.95. This price seems high in comparison with the original $130 charge from Apple, but at least it is less than the over $200 prices that seem typical right now. The Low End Mac site ran an article about the Best OS X 10.5 Leopard prices back in December, and gave links to sources. Many of the low prices seem to either have disappeared from availability or jumped up to over $200. The FastMac link still works for the $179.95 price, and you can put the product into your shopping cart. This seemed to be the best of the current prices. (I didn't try to make a purchase!) Here's the link to the Low End Mac article: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-os-x-leopard-prices.html HTH Cheers, Esther On 24 Feb 2010, at 13:19, Scott Howell wrote: You can't be serious. You mean copies of Leopard are selling for more than $100? Tell me that just can't be true. On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: I've been hunting for the same thing for an old g4 tower I wanted to update. Seems like all the discount places that had it are now gouging the prices or are out of stock. What used to be about $130 is now $200 or more. Please post if you find a source that is reasonable. CB James Nash wrote: Hi VaShaun On 23 Feb 2010, at 23:31, VaShaun Jones wrote: Listers does anyone know where I can buy a old copy of Leopard? I need it for a Power Book G4. The only way for you to get one that I can think of is to buy the pack of software that Apple were selling at the time of Snow Leopard's release, which included Leopard. I think the cost is 129 USD. You could also try your local Apple store to see if they have any old copies or Apple themselves. TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny Listers does anyone know where I can buy a old copy of Leopard? I need it for a Power Book G4. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
pages 09 : return or enter
Hi all, I have a strange problem with pages: I was reading the manual of pages with the hotkeys to look for the command to take a new page. I found the command: command+enter to take a new page. Unfortunately, when I was in the textfield, this command was not possible at that moment (I hear a sound of vo). I was looking further in the manual with the hotkeys and I saw somteimes return and sometimes enter. Whats the difference between them? After this strange experience, I was looking in the help and there was written pages 09. But, when I was looking in the section about in the menu-item pages, I saw the following: Pages 08 version 4.0.3 (766). This seems to be a contradiction? So, what is the hotkey for taking a new page and , if it's important, what's the diffference between a enter and a return? Thanx in advance, best regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: pages 09 : return or enter
Enter is not the same key as return. It often times does the same thing while editing text but for commands they are treated differently. On a full-size keyboard Enter is the bottom right on your numeric keypad. On My laptop it is the button to the right of the command key to the right of the space bar, or to the left of the left arrow key. So if Option-Enter makes a new page you need to make sure you're using Enter and not Return. Historically Return was mapped to the carriage return (CR) character while Enter was mapped to a linefeed (LF) character. Macs generally used CR as it's end of line character in text while Unix used LF and DOS/Windows required both. Yay standards! So back in the day before editors hid the nuances the different camps would complain about each other when they tried to move text files across platforms. Now days OSX is unix so we use LF for end of line, but maybe this is too much information smile CB William Windels wrote: Hi all, I have a strange problem with pages: I was reading the manual of pages with the hotkeys to look for the command to take a new page. I found the command: command+enter to take a new page. Unfortunately, when I was in the textfield, this command was not possible at that moment (I hear a sound of vo). I was looking further in the manual with the hotkeys and I saw somteimes return and sometimes enter. Whats the difference between them? After this strange experience, I was looking in the help and there was written pages 09. But, when I was looking in the section about in the menu-item pages, I saw the following: Pages 08 version 4.0.3 (766). This seems to be a contradiction? So, what is the hotkey for taking a new page and , if it's important, what's the diffference between a enter and a return? Thanx in advance, best regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: still having difficulties with dates
Hi Christina, OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're referring to Address Book instead. OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback and move away and back to double check the input. When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card. Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year field. When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong field. To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense? In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept. Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an assumption, I already stated. So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. Hopefully that helps. Slau as On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a way that is causing so much distress? I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I seem to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then I have tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows. Typing does not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor that is not moving with the vo cursor. I do have vo set up so that it should be following the vo cursor but it won't follow. I can move that cursor without using the vo keys and using just the right and left arrows. However, there is no audio feedback at all and I do not know where it is but if I type where that cursor is then it will type in that spot. So, if I use vo plus up and down arrows to change the month/day/year then it will move it up once and announce December no matter what month is actually entered then the next time I use vo plus up arrow vo completely jumps out of the date field. It is incredibly frustrating. Is address book actually not accessible and should I use something else? Or am i just not aware
Re: cannot send wit the smtp server nul?
Yeah mail set it up and it happens at random it is like it is forgetting my settings every once in a while. I have gmail set up correctly as I can view everything. it just happens at random. it is hard to explain. On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:48 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Sarah, On 18 Mar 2010, at 15:13, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. What are you using? POP or IMAP? Have you made sure that GMIL knows to use the correct incoming address and that you have the correct radio button selected on the website for either POP or IMAP? The address for POP is: pop.gmail.com The address for IMAP is: imap.gmail.com TC James, Lyn, Nash Twinny Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. Take care. Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com msn: chell...@hotmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1 podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: cannot send wit the smtp server nul?
Hmm odd. I'll try that next time it happens. I believe it's also happened with outlook as well. Take care. On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: It's a problem with gmail rather than Mail, specifically. Sometimes taking all accounts offline, restarting and taking all accounts online again solves this problem. I've seen it on multiple machines with other people using gmail accounts. On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hello to all. I make sure I have the gmail server for smtp selected and I get that message int eh subject line why does it turn in to null and I have to select the smtp server by hand later? I have had this problem almost since day 1 of setting up mail. Take care. Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com msn: chell...@hotmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1 podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: still having difficulties with dates
Thanks so very much. That is a lot of work. :) VO keeps pushing me out of the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the values. I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem to be doing anything wrong. It's just a lot of work. I will play with it more after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail. I have not tried tab. H. Christina On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Christina, OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're referring to Address Book instead. OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback and move away and back to double check the input. When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card. Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year field. When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong field. To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense? In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept. Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an assumption, I already stated. So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. Hopefully that helps. Slau as On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a way that is causing so much distress? I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I seem to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then I have tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows. Typing does not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor that is not moving with the vo cursor. I do have vo set up so that it should be following the vo cursor but it won't follow. I can move that cursor without using the vo keys and using just the right and left
Re: still having difficulties with dates
Christina, Remember, in Address Book, don't use Control-Option-up or down arrow. That's only for iCal. Again, in Address Book, just use the up and down arrow keys by themselves once you've interacted. Follow the instructions carefully. HTH Slau On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Christina wrote: Thanks so very much. That is a lot of work. :) VO keeps pushing me out of the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the values. I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem to be doing anything wrong. It's just a lot of work. I will play with it more after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail. I have not tried tab. H. Christina On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Christina, OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're referring to Address Book instead. OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback and move away and back to double check the input. When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card. Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year field. When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong field. To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense? In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept. Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an assumption, I already stated. So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. Hopefully that helps. Slau as On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a way that is causing so much distress? I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I seem to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then I have tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows.
Re: Digest for macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 9 Topics
this post is regarding virtual box can you give us step buy step instructions on setting up a vm with this program? I tried this oonce before and gave up on it cause I couldn't get it to work Hank - Original Message - From: macvisionaries+nore...@googlegroups.com To: Digest Recipients Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: Digest for macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 9 Topics Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics a.. kindle for the mac and iphone? [4 Updates] b.. itunes credit? [3 Updates] c.. virtual box for mac [1 Update] d.. why can I not see my full mac on my bootcamp partition? [3 Updates] e.. Office 2008 Accessibility [2 Updates] f.. Podcast Producer [1 Update] g.. Problems with logging into latest version of Skype [7 Updates] h.. Snow Leopard Help Viewer question [3 Updates] i.. Important changes to OCLC NetLibrary and FirstSearch Services [1 Update] Topic: kindle for the mac and iphone? william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Mar 18 11:27AM ^ this seems interesting http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/18/amazon_kindle_for_mac/ mani mani.g.i...@gmail.com Mar 18 06:55AM -0700 ^ I wonder if it is accessible. It doesn't talk about accessibility on the Amazon website. mani Esther mori...@mac.com Mar 18 04:05AM -1000 ^ Hi, I tried installing the Kindle for the Mac software, and it isn't accessible. But maybe some low vision users can report back on their experience? If you do get the app, you'll start up in the (unspoken) text field for your Amazon login name. Type that in, press tab, then type in your password and press return. But the only thing that VoiceOver announces if you get this working is Scroll Area, and no amount of interacting, navigating, etc. gives you anything else spoken. There may be a reason that the Amazon website doesn't talk about accessibility. Cheers, Esther On 18 Mar 2010, at 03:55, mani wrote: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk Mar 18 03:07PM +0100 ^ Hello Will, Apparently the kindle_for_mac is not accessible with VoiceOver. Cheers, Anne On Mar 18, 2010, at 12:27 PM, william lomas wrote: Topic: itunes credit? hank smith hanksmi...@gmail.com Mar 17 05:48PM -0700 ^ hello what is the process to get a credit back from itunes? Hank Charlie Doremus giantdolp...@gmail.com Mar 17 03:09PM -1000 ^ Hank, Contact 1-800-my-apple and ask for customer service they will help you out I'm sure. Aloha, Charlie mani mani.g.i...@gmail.com Mar 18 07:06AM -0700 ^ Hank: Or you could do it on the web at: http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/contact.html They usually respond within 24 hours and unlike other customer service folks, they write long, polite emails. :) I hope this helps. mani Topic: virtual box for mac Simon Fogarty si...@blinky-net.com Mar 18 08:52PM +1300 ^ It hasn't when your talking about the configuration / settings side of virtual box. But the menus are accessible. As is the content of the vm. I 'm using it at the moemtn for a windows 7 vm and its working really well. Except for a couple of screwed up things. Such as usb drives which I have to eject from the mac before accepting them in the Virtual box machine. In most cases virtual box you need to setup filters / profiles for the usb drives to allow them to through apart from that, it works great. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2010 12:24 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: virtual box for mac Hi all, Since when did virtual box become accessible? Last time I tried it, nothing could be read by voiceover. What version did this change in? John On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: I know on VMWare when there is a USB device inserted it prompts asking if you want to give it to the Mac or Windows. Maybe Virtualbox needs something like this. windows 7 ultimate and jaws11. I'm having trouble when I try to connect a usb memory stick to the vm, It is being seen by the mac, but will not release it to the vm. I've been in and tried to manually take ownership of the memory stick, but Simon f -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
Re: pages 09 : return or enter
Hello William, Let me try to expand on Chris' answer about differences between the Enter key and the Return key. On older Mac laptops, such as my PowerBook G4, there is a separate Enter key located along the bottom row of keys where the right Option key is located on your MacBook -- just to the left of the arrow keys and to the right of the Command key that is beside the space bar, as Chris described. The Return key is located at the far right of the keyboard, and is the long key just above the Shift key, as you described. In Windows parlance, this key is always referred to as Enter. The two keys generate difference command sequences, although some programs will allow you to press either key for the same functionality. As an example of how these keys can behave differently, in iTunes, if your cursor is highlighting a track in the Songs table and you press Return, the selected track will start playing. If you press the Enter key under the same conditions, you are placed in insert mode so that you can type in a new name for the track. Again, this behavior is only evident on a keyboard that has a separate Enter key; current MacBook keyboards don't have an Enter key. I think that you can generate the same key command sequence as the Enter key if you hold down the Fn key and the same time you press the Return, but I'm not certain of that. I am able to check that when I turn on VoiceOver keyboard practice mode (VO-K) that holding down the Fn key and pressing Return produces Enter, just as pressing the Enter key on my PowerBook does, while just pressing the Return key without holding down the Fn key produces Return in this mode. (Don't forget to press the Escape key to exit keyboard practice mode.) Also, pressing Fn+Return on a selected song in the iTunes songs table gives the same behavior I find on my PowerBook with the Enter key, and that's different from the Return key. In some word processing programs the two keys are distinguished as indicating a line break (Return) or a page break (Enter). Historically, this is because there were different terminal conventions for relaying data. Terminals with character mode entry (DEC VT100, I think) used the Return key to indicate the end of data entry. Page mode terminals (IBM 3270) used the Enter key to send off data when all the fields in a form had been filled in. (I hope I've gotten that right, since this is only based on reading.) Hope this helps to clarify that there are differences between Return and Enter keys. I can't answer whether Pages 09 is using different command sequences for Return and Enter in general, though. Over the last couple of years, with the flood of Windows users on the list, I've tended to use Enter in some instances where I always used to type Return in my descriptions. They are, actually, different keys. Cheers, Esther On 18 Mar 2010, at 12:07, William Windels wrote: Hello Chris, Thanx for your answer but I don't understand well I think. I use a macbook so, I haven't a full-sized keyboard, like you I think. The enter key on that keyboard is on the right side of the keyboard , above the right shift-key. It's a long key that's oriented vertically. So, if this is the enter-key, what's the return key? Or in the other way: if this is the return key, what's the neter key? thanx in advance, best regards, William Op 18-mrt-2010, om 21:53 heeft Chris Blouch het volgende geschreven: Enter is not the same key as return. It often times does the same thing while editing text but for commands they are treated differently. On a full-size keyboard Enter is the bottom right on your numeric keypad. On My laptop it is the button to the right of the command key to the right of the space bar, or to the left of the left arrow key. So if Option-Enter makes a new page you need to make sure you're using Enter and not Return. Historically Return was mapped to the carriage return (CR) character while Enter was mapped to a linefeed (LF) character. Macs generally used CR as it's end of line character in text while Unix used LF and DOS/Windows required both. Yay standards! So back in the day before editors hid the nuances the different camps would complain about each other when they tried to move text files across platforms. Now days OSX is unix so we use LF for end of line, but maybe this is too much information smile CB William Windels wrote: Hi all, I have a strange problem with pages: I was reading the manual of pages with the hotkeys to look for the command to take a new page. I found the command: command+enter to take a new page. Unfortunately, when I was in the textfield, this command was not possible at that moment (I hear a sound of vo). I was looking further in the manual with the hotkeys and I saw somteimes return and sometimes enter. Whats the difference between them? After this strange experience, I
Re: still having difficulties with dates
I think this is inconsistent with the general VO behavior and should be reported as a bug to Apple. What would be the best way to reach this to Apple? Thanks, mani On Mar 18, 7:55 pm, Christina blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks so much. I got it to work now thanks to you. If I don't use the vo keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great. While in the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year areas I do get feedback from voiceover. That is much more workable then the way I was trying to do this before your help. Thanks. That makes life s much easier. Christina On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Christina, OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're referring to Address Book instead. OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback and move away and back to double check the input. When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card. Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year field. When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong field. To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense? In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept. Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an assumption, I already stated. So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. Hopefully that helps. Slau as On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a way that is causing so much distress? I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I seem to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then I have tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows. Typing does not seem to
