priorities
Hi. I have been reading through a lot of these and understand a lot of the frustration that is out there. i know for myself it is very irritating that ovens and microwaves are now all button oriented instead of knobs and I hate that because I have to rely on a sighted person to put tape on the buttons so I know where they are since you cannot feel them by touch. I long for the days when they used knobs instead of this new way of doing things because it does feel like they are taking away some of the independence that we did have although I'm sure they are not thinking of it in that way. It's just becoming a more digital world now. And at stores in the checkout lines they have these computer cashregester that you do yourself that only the sighted can use. I know they still have it the old fashioned way but it they someday decide to go all do it yourself that will be another thing that the blind will have to deal with and work around. ANd whoever said you cannot shop withouth sighted assistance was absolutely right. Most products you can't tell one from another because there are some many different brands of cereal and hotdogs and sausages and so on that you need someone sighted to read you the labels. There are some things that have made it better for us like the Mac computer and other talking devices that have helped us and then there are the minuses that I've just listed. I guess maybe we have to realize that right now we just may have to put up with having to ask for help with certain things until someone invents something to help us with the things we can't do right now even though it is a huge pain in the butt sometimes. Especially when you know that all sighted people have to do is push a button or read a label and you can't do it. There are certain webb pages that voiceover will not read but a sighted person could click on to it and read what I cannot and it is very annoying because I want to beable to do the same things they are and why can't I. I am happy with the things I can do and just try to work hard to excel at those and the things I can't, I havae to accept help for right now. Hopefully, that will change someday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
google drive for mac
Hi. I just got access to my drive about 2 days ago. when I download the google drive for mac DMG file and try to mount it, i get an warning from disk image mounter that says that the disk is not recognized. I tried downloading the setup 3 times, and had no luck. Did any body experience a similar problem? Thank you for your help. Regards Venkatesh Potluri -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail app?
qQuick commeh Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online stores. Sent from my phone On Apr 28, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > Okay, thanks. I'll try vo-j, but I figured out I can just hit enter to read > the message, then cmd-w the window when I'm done. Still not too elegant, but > better than arrowing all over the place. I think I'll stick to the normal > view, since I get a great deal of messages from mailing lists and i would > hate to not have things grouped by conversation. > On 28 Apr 2012, at 22:26, Henry D. Hollithron wrote: > >> Good Day: >>> >> >> I've put the answers to your questions, at least as much as I know of >> them, in the extract from your original message below. Since I've only used >> Mac OS Lion, though, someone else might have additional information. At any >> rate, here goes. >> >> HTH: >> Henry >> >> Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the >> last. >> Sherlock Homes >> >> On 28 Apr 2012, at 15:32, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> 1. I deleted a message, but vo said nothing and I was jumped to the bottom >>> of the mail list. What happened? >> Your message was moved to the trash mailbox. I don't know if you have >> your messages column sorted from oldest to newest or not, but that might be >> why you're moved to the bottom of the message list. If you want to make sure >> that you have actually deleted all the messages you didn't want to keep, you >> can, of course, look at the trash mailbox. There is a favorites bar at the >> top of the window, but I prefer to go to the view menu and choose the "show >> mailbox list' option. Both are accessible, but I don't know how you would go >> about adding a mailbox to the favorites bar, which, as I understand, allows >> you to switch to a mailbox with a single keystroke. >> >>> 2. Why can I not quickly read messages? I tried cmd-j and tab, but nothing >>> happened, yet a new message appeared in a conversation as though I had just >>> read the oldest one, though I had not. I can hit the "stop interacting" >>> keystroke twice, then vo-right a few times and interact, but there has to >>> be a better way. >> The keystroke to jump to the preview pane is VO-J. Command J, I think, >> marks the message as junk, though I'm not quite certain on that point, since >> it doesn't show up in the menus to my knowledge. >>> 3. I hear a lot about "classic view". What is it, and should I switch to >>> it? What advantages does the normal view offer over the classic? >> The new view introduced into Lion is very similar to the view of >> messages you might get on the GMAIL website, that is, messages with the same >> subject are grouped into conversations, which you can expand. The classic >> view, in contrast, displays all the messages in a larger list, with columns >> containing the information (date, from, subject, etc.) of the message, >> rather like you might see with KeyMail on a BrailleNote. Both views are >> accessible, so most people recommend experimenting with them and seeing >> which one you prefer. The option, as you probably already know, is in the >> View menu with the name "Organize by Conversation". >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
time machine?
Okay, I created a time machine backup on an network attached storage, and I'm trying to restore from there. It let's me get to the point where I choose where the back up is, but won't let me select it. My fault, it let's me select it, but when it tells me to connect now to the storage device, it says dimmed. What am I doing wrong? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
I know there will be furious complaints that this was published here, but I cannot thank you enough, Karen, for posting this. This made my night. Please write to me off-list and tell me how I can write to this fine gentleman, and tell me how on earth this is an article I have never seen before! It's phenomenal! Christine On Apr 28, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Ricardo, > I can think of two. > There is a special category in all social security administration payments > specifically for the blind...but the way it is defined is not especially > positive. > granted there is the assumption that providing something in braille works for > everyone too, never mind less than ten percent of those experiencing > blindness read it. > A blindness advocate sent the below to me a few years back. it is important. > I am still laughing at the suggestion that the Ada with all its logistical > delays and judicial walls mayhem and years of poor movement is the place to > turn. > I can count three banks so far that claim privacy laws and homeland security > regulations overrule the Ada...so they need not make their website > accessible. > things are better in the UK because they like much of the rest of the world > use the United Nations treaty on the rights for people with disabilities... > Access is a human right, end of discussion. > it is never a question of if you must provide access, it is how and how fast. > far more flexible dictionary definition in theory and far faster a > mechanisms structure for getting things done. > Not the rule of law in the states because...the Ada will fix everything. > the ebook situation proves how correct that is to be sure. > and in most cases for United Nations ratified countries, you are not > working with the sort of thinking like that at social security. you are > blind you have no value, so let's keep you on public assistance for life, or > we cover your rent, and you cannot do anything so why do you want a computer > etc. > Here is my friends article. > Commentary > > Time to Rethink Our Own Declarations of Independence > > By William Loughborough > > For the first few years of our lives, all of us are totally dependent > on others for survival. Then, after discovering that we can survive > without a full-time personal attendant -- usually "Mommy" -- we think > that we are fully independent. > > There used to be a widespread notion of an individual's absolute > independence from everyone and everything. It was -- sometimes > grudgingly -- acknowledged that we were dependent on others for many > things, but there was still the feeling that we were somehow > independent of being beholden to everybody else for essentially > everything. > No one seriously considers him or herself, in that sense, > "independent" > any longer. Every time there is a need for help, our mutual > dependence > is emphasized, whether it is because we need someone to keep the > power > grid running or to turn us over in bed to avoid pressure sores. > Somehow, the latter sort of assistance is regarded widely as a > "special > accommodation" because, after all, the overwhelming majority of us > can turn over by ourselves. > > The truth is, we never get over needing special accommodation. > Whether > it is because of others growing our food or keeping our air and water > safe or teaching us how to stay alive, we are all highly > interdependent. We are all in this together and, luckily, we are > dependent on one another. > > In point of fact, the entire global electrical distribution system is > a special accommodation for those individuals who, unlike blind people, > cannot read in the dark and thus have a "special need" for manmade > illumination. But blind people are taxed with furnishing this special > accommodation that they have no special need for. Similarly, there > are billions of chairs, mostly seldom used, wherever people gather in > groups, but people who bring their own rolling chairs are taxed to > provide this seating service for those who failed to furnish their > own chairs. > > Of course, most of society sees it the other way around, but the fact > is that if everybody learned to read Braille and used wheelchairs it > would be a huge savings for society. Because we have for so long > considered "difference" as a sort of punishable inferiority, we think > those who fit certain categories (for example, the lame, halt or > blind) > are being given undeserved entitlements while those who makes the > rules > are considered automatically eligible for their own ease and comfort. > Lighting is "affordable," but environmental accessibility for certain > functionally diverse people is not. We never ask how we can afford > aircraft carriers but always question housing vouchers for poor > people > who must sleep in doorways. > > For a long time, people with different levels of functionality have > been labeled as having special needs that create a burden
Re: mail app?
Okay, thanks. I'll try vo-j, but I figured out I can just hit enter to read the message, then cmd-w the window when I'm done. Still not too elegant, but better than arrowing all over the place. I think I'll stick to the normal view, since I get a great deal of messages from mailing lists and i would hate to not have things grouped by conversation. On 28 Apr 2012, at 22:26, Henry D. Hollithron wrote: > Good Day: >> > > I've put the answers to your questions, at least as much as I know of > them, in the extract from your original message below. Since I've only used > Mac OS Lion, though, someone else might have additional information. At any > rate, here goes. > > HTH: > Henry > > Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the > last. > Sherlock Homes > > On 28 Apr 2012, at 15:32, Alex Hall wrote: > >> 1. I deleted a message, but vo said nothing and I was jumped to the bottom >> of the mail list. What happened? > Your message was moved to the trash mailbox. I don't know if you have > your messages column sorted from oldest to newest or not, but that might be > why you're moved to the bottom of the message list. If you want to make sure > that you have actually deleted all the messages you didn't want to keep, you > can, of course, look at the trash mailbox. There is a favorites bar at the > top of the window, but I prefer to go to the view menu and choose the "show > mailbox list' option. Both are accessible, but I don't know how you would go > about adding a mailbox to the favorites bar, which, as I understand, allows > you to switch to a mailbox with a single keystroke. > >> 2. Why can I not quickly read messages? I tried cmd-j and tab, but nothing >> happened, yet a new message appeared in a conversation as though I had just >> read the oldest one, though I had not. I can hit the "stop interacting" >> keystroke twice, then vo-right a few times and interact, but there has to be >> a better way. > The keystroke to jump to the preview pane is VO-J. Command J, I think, > marks the message as junk, though I'm not quite certain on that point, since > it doesn't show up in the menus to my knowledge. >> 3. I hear a lot about "classic view". What is it, and should I switch to it? >> What advantages does the normal view offer over the classic? > The new view introduced into Lion is very similar to the view of > messages you might get on the GMAIL website, that is, messages with the same > subject are grouped into conversations, which you can expand. The classic > view, in contrast, displays all the messages in a larger list, with columns > containing the information (date, from, subject, etc.) of the message, rather > like you might see with KeyMail on a BrailleNote. Both views are accessible, > so most people recommend experimenting with them and seeing which one you > prefer. The option, as you probably already know, is in the View menu with > the name "Organize by Conversation". > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail app?
Good Day: > I've put the answers to your questions, at least as much as I know of them, in the extract from your original message below. Since I've only used Mac OS Lion, though, someone else might have additional information. At any rate, here goes. HTH: Henry Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last. Sherlock Homes On 28 Apr 2012, at 15:32, Alex Hall wrote: > 1. I deleted a message, but vo said nothing and I was jumped to the bottom of > the mail list. What happened? Your message was moved to the trash mailbox. I don't know if you have your messages column sorted from oldest to newest or not, but that might be why you're moved to the bottom of the message list. If you want to make sure that you have actually deleted all the messages you didn't want to keep, you can, of course, look at the trash mailbox. There is a favorites bar at the top of the window, but I prefer to go to the view menu and choose the "show mailbox list' option. Both are accessible, but I don't know how you would go about adding a mailbox to the favorites bar, which, as I understand, allows you to switch to a mailbox with a single keystroke. > 2. Why can I not quickly read messages? I tried cmd-j and tab, but nothing > happened, yet a new message appeared in a conversation as though I had just > read the oldest one, though I had not. I can hit the "stop interacting" > keystroke twice, then vo-right a few times and interact, but there has to be > a better way. The keystroke to jump to the preview pane is VO-J. Command J, I think, marks the message as junk, though I'm not quite certain on that point, since it doesn't show up in the menus to my knowledge. > 3. I hear a lot about "classic view". What is it, and should I switch to it? > What advantages does the normal view offer over the classic? The new view introduced into Lion is very similar to the view of messages you might get on the GMAIL website, that is, messages with the same subject are grouped into conversations, which you can expand. The classic view, in contrast, displays all the messages in a larger list, with columns containing the information (date, from, subject, etc.) of the message, rather like you might see with KeyMail on a BrailleNote. Both views are accessible, so most people recommend experimenting with them and seeing which one you prefer. The option, as you probably already know, is in the View menu with the name "Organize by Conversation". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
Ricardo, I can think of two. There is a special category in all social security administration payments specifically for the blind...but the way it is defined is not especially positive. granted there is the assumption that providing something in braille works for everyone too, never mind less than ten percent of those experiencing blindness read it. A blindness advocate sent the below to me a few years back. it is important. I am still laughing at the suggestion that the Ada with all its logistical delays and judicial walls mayhem and years of poor movement is the place to turn. I can count three banks so far that claim privacy laws and homeland security regulations overrule the Ada...so they need not make their website accessible. things are better in the UK because they like much of the rest of the world use the United Nations treaty on the rights for people with disabilities... Access is a human right, end of discussion. it is never a question of if you must provide access, it is how and how fast. far more flexible dictionary definition in theory and far faster a mechanisms structure for getting things done. Not the rule of law in the states because...the Ada will fix everything. the ebook situation proves how correct that is to be sure. and in most cases for United Nations ratified countries, you are not working with the sort of thinking like that at social security. you are blind you have no value, so let's keep you on public assistance for life, or we cover your rent, and you cannot do anything so why do you want a computer etc. Here is my friends article. Commentary Time to Rethink Our Own Declarations of Independence By William Loughborough For the first few years of our lives, all of us are totally dependent on others for survival. Then, after discovering that we can survive without a full-time personal attendant -- usually "Mommy" -- we think that we are fully independent. There used to be a widespread notion of an individual's absolute independence from everyone and everything. It was -- sometimes grudgingly -- acknowledged that we were dependent on others for many things, but there was still the feeling that we were somehow independent of being beholden to everybody else for essentially everything. No one seriously considers him or herself, in that sense, "independent" any longer. Every time there is a need for help, our mutual dependence is emphasized, whether it is because we need someone to keep the power grid running or to turn us over in bed to avoid pressure sores. Somehow, the latter sort of assistance is regarded widely as a "special accommodation" because, after all, the overwhelming majority of us can turn over by ourselves. The truth is, we never get over needing special accommodation. Whether it is because of others growing our food or keeping our air and water safe or teaching us how to stay alive, we are all highly interdependent. We are all in this together and, luckily, we are dependent on one another. In point of fact, the entire global electrical distribution system is a special accommodation for those individuals who, unlike blind people, cannot read in the dark and thus have a "special need" for manmade illumination. But blind people are taxed with furnishing this special accommodation that they have no special need for. Similarly, there are billions of chairs, mostly seldom used, wherever people gather in groups, but people who bring their own rolling chairs are taxed to provide this seating service for those who failed to furnish their own chairs. Of course, most of society sees it the other way around, but the fact is that if everybody learned to read Braille and used wheelchairs it would be a huge savings for society. Because we have for so long considered "difference" as a sort of punishable inferiority, we think those who fit certain categories (for example, the lame, halt or blind) are being given undeserved entitlements while those who makes the rules are considered automatically eligible for their own ease and comfort. Lighting is "affordable," but environmental accessibility for certain functionally diverse people is not. We never ask how we can afford aircraft carriers but always question housing vouchers for poor people who must sleep in doorways. For a long time, people with different levels of functionality have been labeled as having special needs that create a burden on society. They are put into labeled groups and often discriminated against -- sometimes very substantially -- just for being different, despite the fact that their functional diversity is what makes it possible for humanity to survive and evolve. Diversity is essential to the selection process necessary to prevent our species from going the way of all the others that became too specialized to survive in an ever-changing world. So rather than think of individuals as "independent," we should consider ourselves "interdependent" and, most important, n
Re: mail weirdness
When I went into gmail settings, I could not find anything to enable immediate deletion of messages. I recall some time ago when there was an option in Google Labs supporting an option to make gmail's IMAP emulation work like normal IMAP servers but I haven't heard anything more on this since then. In the mean time, the messages I delete with the delete key are now placing messages into a folder called Deleted messages. I guess I will have to go this route for now and use Mutt email client to go in and move them all over to [Gmail]/Trash from time to time. Or just go back to moving them to Trash manually each time I wish to delete stuff. Frankly, the the delete function in Apple Mail for Lion is not doing the job the way I want it to. It might work well for POP or standard IMAP but not for gmail IMAP. On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:00 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > Hello Caitlyn et al, > > I read your message very carefully. > > Currently, I have several G Mail iMap accounts that I access with Apple > Mail. I have no problems at all in deleting messages from any of them; I > have re-installed Lion several times since its release without having ever > experienced the problem you and others are currently reporting. > > When I wish to delete a message from either a conversation or the delete the > entire thread, in Standard view, I simply press the BackSpace key on the > keyboard. > > Now, before exiting Mail, I use the key combo Command+Shift+Backspace in > order to empty the messages currently marked for deletion. I answer yes, in > the confirmation Dialog box and they are permanently deleted. > > Now you may be saying, "Yes, Mark, I do this as well yet it does not work." > To which I will reply, I understand. > > The problem is that there is a setting that must be configured from within > your G Mail account, itself, on the web to enable the client to have access > in order to permanently delete the mail. > > It's been a while since I set this up but, go to your G Mail web account. > Somewhere in the Options, you will see something that reads like "Delete > Messages Immediately". This will be unchecked. You must place a checkmark > in this option. Then, if all goes well and "the water don't rise," as the > saying goes (smile) you should be in business. > > While you're in that area of your G Mail account, review all of the message > options in case I am, most likely, forgetting something else. > > One more thing, I have my G Mail account setup so that, when using either > Apple Mail or Microsoft Outlook, I can quickly and easily undelete any > message marked for deletion (before the purge), by using key-combo Command+Z > on the Mac or Control+Z in Windows 7. If you would like to know how to > configure this for your G Mail account, check out episode 70 of the Candle > Shore podcast. > > Good Luck, > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:08 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Cc: Caitlyn Furness > Subject: mail weirdness > > Hi, > > I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. > > After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my > mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my > messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages > are back again! > > In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, > and to not leave things on the server. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! > > thanks, > Caitlyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Flash programs
Hi, I think someone said on here the names of programs to make flash accessible earlier today ...? Flash something and youtube 5 or something? Can someone send me the names and how they work-whether useful? Lost the email ... Thanks. Kirsten. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Help from those who were helping me convert WMA two weeks back …
Hi all, I'm still having trouble with this. I have Flip and the snow leopard QT and the WMV thing which I can't remember the name of. They all work, and when I insert my cd with WMA files on they play on my mac beautifully. However, I can't seem to be able to export them to M4A and transfer them to my itunes and thus onto my IPhone. I try export cmd+shift+s and though it starts it always it says it can't complete. I've tried opening itunes and copying the wma files but that doesn't seem to do anything. I have tried creating a play list but copying into here doesn't work either. I really want these to play on my iphone mostly, and though it's really good to know that I can now get the Mac to work, I need to go one step further. How can I alter them and how can I then transfer to my 3GS? Many thanks. Kirsten. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
update on focus problem
Hi all, It is the twitter client, Yorufokuru, causing the problem. It focuses itself whenever a new tweet comes in. Any idea how to stop this from happening?Î Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
m4v conversion
Hello List; A fellow just sent me a .m4v file. I can't play it on my computer, so i also can't upload it to my website to show others. Could someone tell me how i go about converting it to something that will play in quicktime? any help will be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to sell this ride soon. take care, max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
focus randomly changing?
Hi all, I'm trying to use the mac more, now that it seems to run better with the monitor. However, I've noticed something very annoying, ealier while in Safari and now in VLC. Randomly, focus will change to Yorufkuru (you know what I mean). When I cmd-tab out, I'm placed in the application I would have been in had I cmd-tabbed out of VLC or Safari, as though the system didn't pikc up the focus change and update it's list of running apps accordingly. What could be going on here? Is this the fault of... that Twitter client, or a Lion thing? Î Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
Well, In my humble opinion, equality isn't there, so that, isn't fair treatment. the Americans with Disabilities Act should include the blind or visually \impaired just as vigorously as it does every other disability in this country. there aren't any services, that I know of at this point, that the visually impaired community, or blind community receive that anyone else would consider unfair. Believe me, I've been almost totally blind all my life, and I can say from experience, that the simplest things that I've needed have had to be justified by education or work, which I can work because of other physical disabilities, and for education, I wasn't given the option of being taught braille in the beginning because I had some sight. So I can say out of experience, there isn't anything that I own, that I didn't beg, borrow, or barter, or finance within an inch of my disability, to get. to be very frank, there are a lot of things, such as that bar code reader they have on special on financing, which I can't afford, that my husband and I desperately need,, that I'll never be able to have. Only because I can't justify it to the government because we're not working. We both have physical limitations to prevent us from doing so, but because of that, we don't have the opportunity for the simplest and most basic of things to help us with independent cooking and identification skills. so I don't have a problem downloading anything that is descriptive from that site because I'm tired of being left out because I'm not able to work and can't afford the opportunities that I should get for things that others can. If I lived in the UK, things would be a lot different, and if I could get on a plane and become a citizen to the United Kingdom, I certainly would in, well, a New York minute. to make this apple related, the only reason I have this machine is because I had to put up with my Dad's crap and constant criticism for him to buy it for me. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't even be talking. Jenny On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > Keep in mind, fair doesn't always mean equal. I'm sure if we looked hard > enough, we can find some services offered exclusively to those who are > visually impaired and or blind. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: > >> In my opinion, accessible movies, TV shows, appliances, etc, should fall >> under the ADA. >> >> Not to be politically incorrect here, but if people in wheelchairs can get >> them for free and most places are made to be accessible for them, and the >> deaf get closed captioning for almost every TV show and eventually DVD, and >> TTY phones and free relay services, then why isn't it mandatory that we get >> the same consideration. >> >> The fact is, we don't, and in my opinion, if we have to go to other sources >> to get it because this wonderful country of ours, who makes other >> disabilities have accessible products and services as mandatory, then we >> have do do it until we get our fair shake. >> >> It's fairness to all, or it shouldn't be for any. >> >> Go red, white, and blue:( >> >> Jenny >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> Arguably, anything beyond the things required for daily living is a luxury. >>> Plenty of people do not have computers or TV's. I personally have found a >>> greater appreciation for movies and television shows when they are >>> described, and it is exceedingly frustrating when one cannot watch a >>> foreign film or dialogue-poor show. The level of audio description in the >>> UK versus what is available in the U.S. is astounding -- in fact, the bulk >>> of the audio description is done in Great Britain. I remember not going to >>> action movies with peers when I was younger, or not being invited, because >>> no one wanted to describe them to me. I remember people becoming annoyed >>> when my mother quietly described what was going on in a movie. >>> Even important information on news broadcasts is flashed across screens. If >>> it is possible to accommodate the print-disabled and visually impaired in >>> one country, it is possible in another. We should not have to pick and >>> choose among "luxuries" -- Shopping for appliances is another nightmare; I >>> am tired of having to get someone to go over touch screens and controls >>> with me so that I can memorize, mark controls, or make charts so that I can >>> use something for which I paid full price. Even companies which advertise >>> that they have "accessible manuals" either do not actually provide them or >>> only provide them in shorter, slimmed-down versions. >>> If something is accessible to people who want it and can afford it, it >>> should be accessible to all. Not only is their a fairness component, but a >>> social component: cul
Re: Converting mp3 files without going into iTunes.
What I mean is can you highlight a file in a list and issue a command that will convert that file to mp3. On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean, can you use another application to > convert the files? Or, once the files have been converted in iTunes, can you > find it in the finder? Honestly, I think using iTunes is the easiest way to > convert such files. Especially if you have your recently added playlist set > up. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > >> Is there a way to highlight an m4a file and convert it without having to go >> into iTunes to find it? >> Step by step instructions are greatly appreciated. >> Thanks so much. >> Stacey and Chesley >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Priorities
Hi Mark, Some of the assistive technologies that we have are pretty nice. You are right though that our freedom of being equal with others when it comes to trying to shop for ourselves is taken away because the store layout is always changing or we need the assistance. Like you, I've enjoyed the described movies, but I'd rather have an accessible computer over described movies anyday. For most of my life I have watched movies without description. With me going back to school in the fall, and if I didn't have the computer that I do, and receiving the training that I am very soon starting along with receiving some new technology toys to help me with school, I probably wouldn't be as successful in school as I will be without the accessible computer. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Priorities It's even worse than that. While we can use our accessible devices, we still can't go to a humble Wallmart and shop independently; or, for that matter, the local 7/11. We must be assisted when purchasing anything in a large store prone to layout changes, robbing us of much of the credibility we might otherwise have as equals. Our talking smart thing tells us we have a $20 bill in our hand, and yet we had to ask for assistance finding HoneyNut chereos? And people whine because some agency somewhere didn't spend money and time to put descriptions in movies?! I was involved with WGBH back in 193-4 when DVS first got going, at least in America. I really like some of the DVS movies I've watched, and I appreciate the skill it takes to do timely narration of visual events. but I also recognize this for the luxury that it is. Asking the government to make this accessible is like asking your deity of choice to provide you with a narrator for all the things in life which you don't see; I think we're stretching the metaphor here. I'll take an accessible computer over a described movie. . Mark BurningHawk Baxter . AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 . MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com . My home page: . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2411/4964 - Release Date: 04/28/12 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Converting mp3 files without going into iTunes.
Hi, I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean, can you use another application to convert the files? Or, once the files have been converted in iTunes, can you find it in the finder? Honestly, I think using iTunes is the easiest way to convert such files. Especially if you have your recently added playlist set up. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Apr 28, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > Is there a way to highlight an m4a file and convert it without having to go > into iTunes to find it? > Step by step instructions are greatly appreciated. > Thanks so much. > Stacey and Chesley > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
Hi, Keep in mind, fair doesn't always mean equal. I'm sure if we looked hard enough, we can find some services offered exclusively to those who are visually impaired and or blind. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: > In my opinion, accessible movies, TV shows, appliances, etc, should fall > under the ADA. > > Not to be politically incorrect here, but if people in wheelchairs can get > them for free and most places are made to be accessible for them, and the > deaf get closed captioning for almost every TV show and eventually DVD, and > TTY phones and free relay services, then why isn't it mandatory that we get > the same consideration. > > The fact is, we don't, and in my opinion, if we have to go to other sources > to get it because this wonderful country of ours, who makes other > disabilities have accessible products and services as mandatory, then we have > do do it until we get our fair shake. > > It's fairness to all, or it shouldn't be for any. > > Go red, white, and blue:( > > Jenny > On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> Arguably, anything beyond the things required for daily living is a luxury. >> Plenty of people do not have computers or TV's. I personally have found a >> greater appreciation for movies and television shows when they are >> described, and it is exceedingly frustrating when one cannot watch a foreign >> film or dialogue-poor show. The level of audio description in the UK versus >> what is available in the U.S. is astounding -- in fact, the bulk of the >> audio description is done in Great Britain. I remember not going to action >> movies with peers when I was younger, or not being invited, because no one >> wanted to describe them to me. I remember people becoming annoyed when my >> mother quietly described what was going on in a movie. >> Even important information on news broadcasts is flashed across screens. If >> it is possible to accommodate the print-disabled and visually impaired in >> one country, it is possible in another. We should not have to pick and >> choose among "luxuries" -- Shopping for appliances is another nightmare; I >> am tired of having to get someone to go over touch screens and controls with >> me so that I can memorize, mark controls, or make charts so that I can use >> something for which I paid full price. Even companies which advertise that >> they have "accessible manuals" either do not actually provide them or only >> provide them in shorter, slimmed-down versions. >> If something is accessible to people who want it and can afford it, it >> should be accessible to all. Not only is their a fairness component, but a >> social component: culturally, experientially, we are better integrated into >> the social fabric of our societies when we have independent, real-world >> access to the things our peers take for granted. >> Christine >> show >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: >> >>> Hi guys. >>> I love audio description as much as any blind person could. Before you >>> couldn't get them, I bought several movies on those tapes, movies I wanted >>> to watch again. However, and maybe I'm showing my age here, but I consider >>> audio description to be a luxury for us. I watched movies and TV just fine >>> before we got it. >>> >>> Computer accessibility, however, including the Internet's accessibility, >>> has become an increasingly frustrating necessity. I don't have statistics >>> to back up my opinion, but I think we delude ourselves if we think we are a >>> money-making proposition. Poor Apple has been braver than everybody else by >>> jumping into the quicksand of accessibility. If the good folks in Cupertino >>> are sorry they they made the plunge, they are being smart enough to be >>> quiet about it. I think they will be better off than everyone else in that >>> regard eventually, especially when the feds get involved in evaluating >>> accessibility the education arena. At least Apple will have no trouble, >>> unlike others, proving that the iPad, etc. is accessible to blind and other >>> disabled students. >>> >>> A blind friend of mine was asking me about these new vending machines that >>> touch screens. He was asking if there was an iPhone app to control those >>> things because he's concerned that he won't even able to get a cold drink >>> without extra help otherwise. As it is, at least at his work, he can count >>> the buttons. I have another blind friend whose electric oven went out, and >>> she a terrible time finding an accessible one. My microwave is still >>> partially inaccessible since my husband has yet to put labels onto that >>> mostly flat screen. When I go to Louisville this summer, I can just about >>> guarantee that I can't independently watch TV, unless you guys can tell me >>> of an iPhone app that will f
Converting mp3 files without going into iTunes.
Is there a way to highlight an m4a file and convert it without having to go into iTunes to find it? Step by step instructions are greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Stacey and Chesley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
Hi Gigi, interesting points, but are you not perhaps making a few assumptions. Well meaning yes, but the very sort of assumptions that contribute to the problem? first, blindness is not a uniform experience for anyone. the suggestion that *every* person within the technical range of 20/200 to 0/00, with the bottom being where almost everyone thinks the entire population sits, not the less than 5% actually there, is the same, needs the same, uses the same, and can therefore be accommodated the same is well a stereotype feeding the situation now. Instead those experiencing blindness, among other life situations, live work and create uniquely, just like everyone else in humanity. second many with other print disabilities need comparative access, screen readers, buttons because they cannot figure out the touch screens either, ways to manipulate their televisions, ease on website. Curbing helps those in chairs as well as those who may be needing it if they travel via cane or service animal. Curb tucks also help those in high heels, and many many prefer buttons to guessing regardless of how they view the world. hey I use paratransit totally, so had not noticed the curbing issue, so I do not fall into your "us blind folks" dictionary, never mind my score on the eye chart. third, why are those who experience sight disabilities, or any disabilities for that matter, but still become doctors lawyers, teachers scientists, chiropractors, councilors, factory workers, customer service reps, lieutenant governors, human rights protesters, terrorist,etc. etc. not a money making proposition? hey apple made an eleven billion dollar profit last quarter, I do not think they are losing money incorporating one feature into the he same products they sell to all...in fact they demonstrate how you make money from a common ground dictionary. The assumption that ones life situation always impacts ones ability to contribute financially feeds the dragon you wish to slay. Perhaps it is long time someone did the market research that will demonstrate how much, not how little business exists. If you have heard of the field of disability studies, the goal or recent goal is to expand the understanding that *everyone* can find themselves in disabling situations. however give them the tools, or remove the barrier and they get along just fine, like the rest of the human family. Which is my point. the us verses them thinking you in your well meaning way speak of is the very foundation of the problem. the more you focus on the numbers, how large they are that benefit from access, the easier it becomes for those outside to understand that access, because on one level or another there is no outside. the more common ground you indicate between people. i. e. everyone wants to use a vending machine without making a mistake, or use their oven or make a phone call or whatever, the easier it becomes to broaden and achieve access. Perhaps more important though. the sooner people stop deciding that one cannot contribute financially if you experience any disability, and start counting out what you are buying even with ssi, the better for everyone. It is not an automatic thing that disability equals burden to society. that thinking must go, there are just too much money out there and to many millions of people who can live with more flexibility and pay for that flexibility if given a choice. The Internet is a nightmare because few are making an effort to both spread the common need message, and to make it easy for a company to create an accessible site, even if they do not know what that means. let's face it, because of the stereotypes, lots of folks cannot even understand how you use, let alone why you would have a computer. but you know what? that is none of their business. you have one, you want to visit their site, the Internet is a super highway, so treat it like one. A business owner need not understand concrete to have a business on a road, same here. Build the road as you would a street and everyone no matter how or why they need to travel on it can. The focus on browsers, on screen readers which end up excluding on wanting to get people to figure out how you live as you do only slows down access...because there is only one of you. put ten people in a room with the same label, and you get ten different ways to work with or around that label. I cannot count the times someone here has said they could not reach a site using one browser, but I could with another, simply because we choose different ways to manage the disability experience . the energy should go elsewhere. Better still to create web site designing packages with an option that says, want to insure millions of possible interested parties can reach your page? and if the person creating the site says yes, the program automatically designs the cascading style sheets that insure an edition
Re: Priorities
In my opinion, accessible movies, TV shows, appliances, etc, should fall under the ADA. Not to be politically incorrect here, but if people in wheelchairs can get them for free and most places are made to be accessible for them, and the deaf get closed captioning for almost every TV show and eventually DVD, and TTY phones and free relay services, then why isn't it mandatory that we get the same consideration. The fact is, we don't, and in my opinion, if we have to go to other sources to get it because this wonderful country of ours, who makes other disabilities have accessible products and services as mandatory, then we have do do it until we get our fair shake. It's fairness to all, or it shouldn't be for any. Go red, white, and blue:( Jenny On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Arguably, anything beyond the things required for daily living is a luxury. > Plenty of people do not have computers or TV's. I personally have found a > greater appreciation for movies and television shows when they are described, > and it is exceedingly frustrating when one cannot watch a foreign film or > dialogue-poor show. The level of audio description in the UK versus what is > available in the U.S. is astounding -- in fact, the bulk of the audio > description is done in Great Britain. I remember not going to action movies > with peers when I was younger, or not being invited, because no one wanted to > describe them to me. I remember people becoming annoyed when my mother > quietly described what was going on in a movie. > Even important information on news broadcasts is flashed across screens. If > it is possible to accommodate the print-disabled and visually impaired in one > country, it is possible in another. We should not have to pick and choose > among "luxuries" -- Shopping for appliances is another nightmare; I am tired > of having to get someone to go over touch screens and controls with me so > that I can memorize, mark controls, or make charts so that I can use > something for which I paid full price. Even companies which advertise that > they have "accessible manuals" either do not actually provide them or only > provide them in shorter, slimmed-down versions. > If something is accessible to people who want it and can afford it, it > should be accessible to all. Not only is their a fairness component, but a > social component: culturally, experientially, we are better integrated into > the social fabric of our societies when we have independent, real-world > access to the things our peers take for granted. > Christine > show > On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > >> Hi guys. >> I love audio description as much as any blind person could. Before you >> couldn't get them, I bought several movies on those tapes, movies I wanted >> to watch again. However, and maybe I'm showing my age here, but I consider >> audio description to be a luxury for us. I watched movies and TV just fine >> before we got it. >> >> Computer accessibility, however, including the Internet's accessibility, has >> become an increasingly frustrating necessity. I don't have statistics to >> back up my opinion, but I think we delude ourselves if we think we are a >> money-making proposition. Poor Apple has been braver than everybody else by >> jumping into the quicksand of accessibility. If the good folks in Cupertino >> are sorry they they made the plunge, they are being smart enough to be quiet >> about it. I think they will be better off than everyone else in that regard >> eventually, especially when the feds get involved in evaluating >> accessibility the education arena. At least Apple will have no trouble, >> unlike others, proving that the iPad, etc. is accessible to blind and other >> disabled students. >> >> A blind friend of mine was asking me about these new vending machines that >> touch screens. He was asking if there was an iPhone app to control those >> things because he's concerned that he won't even able to get a cold drink >> without extra help otherwise. As it is, at least at his work, he can count >> the buttons. I have another blind friend whose electric oven went out, and >> she a terrible time finding an accessible one. My microwave is still >> partially inaccessible since my husband has yet to put labels onto that >> mostly flat screen. When I go to Louisville this summer, I can just about >> guarantee that I can't independently watch TV, unless you guys can tell me >> of an iPhone app that will for sure work with the hotel's TV. >> >> I could go on and on giving examples. Without getting political, both >> blindness organizations have written resolutions for positive and/or >> negative motivators for some of these folks that are busy making our lives >> more and ore inaccessible. We lost the battle of the accessibility of >> curbing in our U.S. cities for blind folks, making our mobility more >> difficult.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
the issue is not the iPad itself, it is the apps that companies develop for it. most of those companies don't consider us much of a market (either by public perception or flawed fiscal analysis). there had already been one debacle involving a pad type computer (kindle) and a major institution (Arizona State University) and it was found that the blind were specifically locked out. the same is happening with iPad apps (even though the SDK tools and API are freely available and easy to incorporate, companies will not concede). Its a never ending struggle as those who think they know better never do and saddle us with their utter stupidity. there is a reason they call this "the tyranny of the stupid". -eric . On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Christine, > > I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as > something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as > something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that > Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. > Best, > Donna > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or >> classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the >> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >> disobeying laws. >> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving >> to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in >> attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like >> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty >> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into >> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, >> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, >> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students >> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for >> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, >> flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be >> able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot >> express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new >> release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. >> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; >> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the >> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about >> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) >> >> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described >> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released >> with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- >> goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible >> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It >> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only >> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, >> profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards >> those who remember us with our business. >> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I >> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and >> family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or >> a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets >> plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve >> to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of >> you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your >> correspondence thus far. >> Christine >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to >>> point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie >>> vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe >>> that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their >>> business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. >>> I get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not >>> provide any reference to back those cl
sendspace help with finding link to uploaded file
HI all, In sendspace wizard I see the list of remote files but cannot find a way to find link to the file so I can send it again to people. THanks for helping me out here. In windows it was possible with a keyboard shortcut to add it to clipboard. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail weirdness
When you do this, are the messages being moved to Trash or they actually going away? Slso, are you absolutely sure they are being removed from the All Mail folder? A lot of people fail to realize that as long as messages are in All mail, they are around forever. On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:00 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > Hello Caitlyn et al, > > I read your message very carefully. > > Currently, I have several G Mail iMap accounts that I access with Apple > Mail. I have no problems at all in deleting messages from any of them; I > have re-installed Lion several times since its release without having ever > experienced the problem you and others are currently reporting. > > When I wish to delete a message from either a conversation or the delete the > entire thread, in Standard view, I simply press the BackSpace key on the > keyboard. > > Now, before exiting Mail, I use the key combo Command+Shift+Backspace in > order to empty the messages currently marked for deletion. I answer yes, in > the confirmation Dialog box and they are permanently deleted. > > Now you may be saying, "Yes, Mark, I do this as well yet it does not work." > To which I will reply, I understand. > > The problem is that there is a setting that must be configured from within > your G Mail account, itself, on the web to enable the client to have access > in order to permanently delete the mail. > > It's been a while since I set this up but, go to your G Mail web account. > Somewhere in the Options, you will see something that reads like "Delete > Messages Immediately". This will be unchecked. You must place a checkmark > in this option. Then, if all goes well and "the water don't rise," as the > saying goes (smile) you should be in business. > > While you're in that area of your G Mail account, review all of the message > options in case I am, most likely, forgetting something else. > > One more thing, I have my G Mail account setup so that, when using either > Apple Mail or Microsoft Outlook, I can quickly and easily undelete any > message marked for deletion (before the purge), by using key-combo Command+Z > on the Mac or Control+Z in Windows 7. If you would like to know how to > configure this for your G Mail account, check out episode 70 of the Candle > Shore podcast. > > Good Luck, > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:08 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Cc: Caitlyn Furness > Subject: mail weirdness > > Hi, > > I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. > > After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my > mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my > messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages > are back again! > > In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, > and to not leave things on the server. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! > > thanks, > Caitlyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: mail weirdness
Hello Caitlyn et al, I read your message very carefully. Currently, I have several G Mail iMap accounts that I access with Apple Mail. I have no problems at all in deleting messages from any of them; I have re-installed Lion several times since its release without having ever experienced the problem you and others are currently reporting. When I wish to delete a message from either a conversation or the delete the entire thread, in Standard view, I simply press the BackSpace key on the keyboard. Now, before exiting Mail, I use the key combo Command+Shift+Backspace in order to empty the messages currently marked for deletion. I answer yes, in the confirmation Dialog box and they are permanently deleted. Now you may be saying, "Yes, Mark, I do this as well yet it does not work." To which I will reply, I understand. The problem is that there is a setting that must be configured from within your G Mail account, itself, on the web to enable the client to have access in order to permanently delete the mail. It's been a while since I set this up but, go to your G Mail web account. Somewhere in the Options, you will see something that reads like "Delete Messages Immediately". This will be unchecked. You must place a checkmark in this option. Then, if all goes well and "the water don't rise," as the saying goes (smile) you should be in business. While you're in that area of your G Mail account, review all of the message options in case I am, most likely, forgetting something else. One more thing, I have my G Mail account setup so that, when using either Apple Mail or Microsoft Outlook, I can quickly and easily undelete any message marked for deletion (before the purge), by using key-combo Command+Z on the Mac or Control+Z in Windows 7. If you would like to know how to configure this for your G Mail account, check out episode 70 of the Candle Shore podcast. Good Luck, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: Caitlyn Furness Subject: mail weirdness Hi, I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages are back again! In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, and to not leave things on the server. What am I doing wrong? Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
I'll have both. The government need not provide anything except a law mandating availability. I think we should have sighted people only have access to audio devices for one week, but with every other one of life's amenities to which they are accustomed. After all, seeing action is a luxury. Let them pay attention to the dialogue. Christine Christine On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > It's even worse than that. While we can use our accessible devices, we still > can't go to a humble Wallmart and shop independently; or, for that matter, > the local 7/11. We must be assisted when purchasing anything in a large > store prone to layout changes, robbing us of much of the credibility we might > otherwise have as equals. Our talking smart thing tells us we have a $20 > bill in our hand, and yet we had to ask for assistance finding HoneyNut > chereos? And people whine because some agency somewhere didn't spend money > and time to put descriptions in movies?! I was involved with WGBH back in > 193-4 when DVS first got going, at least in America. I really like some of > the DVS movies I've watched, and I appreciate the skill it takes to do timely > narration of visual events. but I also recognize this for the luxury that it > is. Asking the government to make this accessible is like asking your deity > of choice to provide you with a narrator for all the things in life which you > don't see; I think we're stretching the metaphor here. I'll take an > accessible computer over a described movie. > > > • Mark BurningHawk Baxter > • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > • My home page: > • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
It's even worse than that. While we can use our accessible devices, we still can't go to a humble Wallmart and shop independently; or, for that matter, the local 7/11. We must be assisted when purchasing anything in a large store prone to layout changes, robbing us of much of the credibility we might otherwise have as equals. Our talking smart thing tells us we have a $20 bill in our hand, and yet we had to ask for assistance finding HoneyNut chereos? And people whine because some agency somewhere didn't spend money and time to put descriptions in movies?! I was involved with WGBH back in 193-4 when DVS first got going, at least in America. I really like some of the DVS movies I've watched, and I appreciate the skill it takes to do timely narration of visual events. but I also recognize this for the luxury that it is. Asking the government to make this accessible is like asking your deity of choice to provide you with a narrator for all the things in life which you don't see; I think we're stretching the metaphor here. I'll take an accessible computer over a described movie. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Monitor tip for new Macs
Hi all, I finally got a monitor working! Here's a handy tip for anyone looking to do this with a Mini or any Mac that has a thunderbolt port: just pick up a Mini Display Port to VGA adapter. It turns out that Thunderbolt is backwards-compatible with Mini Display Port, so the adapter goes into the Thunderbolt port and the monitor starts working. It even works on Windows. So, if you have a VGA monitor and can't figure out all the DVI-D versus DVI-I and so on, just grab a Mini Display Port to VGA (or, I assume, to DVI) adapter and plug it into the Thunderbolt port. Of course, if you are using another Thunderbolt device you will have to get creative, but very few devices currently use Thunderbolt so it shouldn't be a problem. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
mail app?
Hi all, I finally got a monitor (more on that in another post). Now I'm using the mail app again. For reference, I am on a Mac Mini with the latest OS. 1. I deleted a message, but vo said nothing and I was jumped to the bottom of the mail list. What happened? 2. Why can I not quickly read messages? I tried cmd-j and tab, but nothing happened, yet a new message appeared in a conversation as though I had just read the oldest one, though I had not. I can hit the "stop interacting" keystroke twice, then vo-right a few times and interact, but there has to be a better way. 3. I hear a lot about "classic view". What is it, and should I switch to it? What advantages does the normal view offer over the classic? Thanks in advance for any answers. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail weirdness
Try moving them to [Gmail]/Trash instead. That's what I do. See my other mail about deleting. You could follow that route for a while and then go into that folder of deleted messages and move them to [Gmail]/Trash. Too bad we can't write a macro for Apple Mail to do this. That's what I do when I use mutt to read and manage email. On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Yeah, this is the strangest thing! It didn't do this before I had to > reinstall Lion a couple of weeks ago. > > It does seem like if I actually go in and read the message, it does stay > deleted, but if I don't choose to read it, it comes back like the plague! > > Totally annoying! > > Cait and Nicky > > On 2012-04-28, at 2:59 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > >> Caitlin, I have my account set the same way and it won't delete my messages >> either. I'm just as puzzled about this as you are. Sorry, no answers here >> yet. >> >> Veronica >> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. >>> >>> After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my >>> mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my >>> messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages >>> are back again! >>> >>> In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, >>> and to not leave things on the server. >>> >>> What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! >>> >>> thanks, >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
So true, so true!!! That's why I commend Apple for their accessibility efforts and I hope the trend could spread over other things. I like to think that maybe IOS apps could be written more easily than building entire new tactile interfaces on appliances but then again, I just got a Sony dock for my iPod which has an app called d-sappli to control it; but what do you know, the damn app is completely inaccessible and when I called Sony about it, the rep's reply was something like "Well, we can't do anything about that." and my reply was rather indignant and saying something like "Yes you can, you guys can rewrite the damn thing to work with VoiceOver." Yes, I may have shown anger here but I get sick of these companies blowing us off like that. Had it been a small time mom and pop developer writing that app, I'll bet they would be working on fixing it right now. This general deal of inaccessible appliances is a serious one though. It is down to basic daily living and well frankly, could also affect employment. On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Arguably, anything beyond the things required for daily living is a luxury. > Plenty of people do not have computers or TV's. I personally have found a > greater appreciation for movies and television shows when they are described, > and it is exceedingly frustrating when one cannot watch a foreign film or > dialogue-poor show. The level of audio description in the UK versus what is > available in the U.S. is astounding -- in fact, the bulk of the audio > description is done in Great Britain. I remember not going to action movies > with peers when I was younger, or not being invited, because no one wanted to > describe them to me. I remember people becoming annoyed when my mother > quietly described what was going on in a movie. > Even important information on news broadcasts is flashed across screens. If > it is possible to accommodate the print-disabled and visually impaired in one > country, it is possible in another. We should not have to pick and choose > among "luxuries" -- Shopping for appliances is another nightmare; I am tired > of having to get someone to go over touch screens and controls with me so > that I can memorize, mark controls, or make charts so that I can use > something for which I paid full price. Even companies which advertise that > they have "accessible manuals" either do not actually provide them or only > provide them in shorter, slimmed-down versions. > If something is accessible to people who want it and can afford it, it > should be accessible to all. Not only is their a fairness component, but a > social component: culturally, experientially, we are better integrated into > the social fabric of our societies when we have independent, real-world > access to the things our peers take for granted. > Christine > show > On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > >> Hi guys. >> I love audio description as much as any blind person could. Before you >> couldn't get them, I bought several movies on those tapes, movies I wanted >> to watch again. However, and maybe I'm showing my age here, but I consider >> audio description to be a luxury for us. I watched movies and TV just fine >> before we got it. >> >> Computer accessibility, however, including the Internet's accessibility, has >> become an increasingly frustrating necessity. I don't have statistics to >> back up my opinion, but I think we delude ourselves if we think we are a >> money-making proposition. Poor Apple has been braver than everybody else by >> jumping into the quicksand of accessibility. If the good folks in Cupertino >> are sorry they they made the plunge, they are being smart enough to be quiet >> about it. I think they will be better off than everyone else in that regard >> eventually, especially when the feds get involved in evaluating >> accessibility the education arena. At least Apple will have no trouble, >> unlike others, proving that the iPad, etc. is accessible to blind and other >> disabled students. >> >> A blind friend of mine was asking me about these new vending machines that >> touch screens. He was asking if there was an iPhone app to control those >> things because he's concerned that he won't even able to get a cold drink >> without extra help otherwise. As it is, at least at his work, he can count >> the buttons. I have another blind friend whose electric oven went out, and >> she a terrible time finding an accessible one. My microwave is still >> partially inaccessible since my husband has yet to put labels onto that >> mostly flat screen. When I go to Louisville this summer, I can just about >> guarantee that I can't independently watch TV, unless you guys can tell me >> of an iPhone app that will for sure work with the hotel's TV. >> >> I could go on and on giving examples. Without getting political, both >> blindness organizations have written
Re: mail weirdness
Yeah, this is the strangest thing! It didn't do this before I had to reinstall Lion a couple of weeks ago. It does seem like if I actually go in and read the message, it does stay deleted, but if I don't choose to read it, it comes back like the plague! Totally annoying! Cait and Nicky On 2012-04-28, at 2:59 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Caitlin, I have my account set the same way and it won't delete my messages > either. I'm just as puzzled about this as you are. Sorry, no answers here > yet. > > Veronica > > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ > Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > Phone: 831-429-6407 > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. >> >> After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my >> mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my >> messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages >> are back again! >> >> In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, >> and to not leave things on the server. >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! >> >> thanks, >> Caitlyn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail weirdness
I also have gmail accounts here and have been experimenting around with Mac Mail to figure out the best behavior for message deletion. First off, I do not see a good way to delete messages from gmail with the Mac mail client. Rather, you ultimately have to get the unwanted messages moved to [Gmail]/Trash. This is done easily enough with VO-Shift-M and choosing "Move to folder" and selecting Trash under the [Gmail] submenu. When I delete messages, I have the two checkboxes in mail box behavior enabled so deleted messages are left on the server but placed in a separate folder. Unfortunately, this action causes the messages to go in a folder or I should say more accurately, a label called Deleted Messages, thus they still remain in the All mail folder on the gmail server. Mere deletion just removes the labels but does not move them over to Trash. I cannot find a way to tell Apple Mail to move deleted messages to [Gmail]/Trash instead. Note above, I do have brackets around Gmail in the folder specifications. In any case, even your actions should have at least gotten the messages out of your inbox but done really deleted for good though. I understand the IOS versions of Mail do this a better job. On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. > > After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my > mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my > messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages > are back again! > > In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, > and to not leave things on the server. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! > > thanks, > Caitlyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail weirdness
Caitlin, I have my account set the same way and it won't delete my messages either. I'm just as puzzled about this as you are. Sorry, no answers here yet. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. > > After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my > mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my > messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages > are back again! > > In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, > and to not leave things on the server. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! > > thanks, > Caitlyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Using Macbook air with Braille Sense On Hand
Hi everyone! I was just wondering if anyone had successfully paired the BrailleSense On Hand with a MacBook air. I'm pretty new at both pieces of gear but after looking at everybody's instructions, I came oh so close. So I just thought I'd see if any of you had tried and/or succeeded at doing this. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
It is such a wonderful experience to be able to sit down with my son and listen to the mp3 of one of his favorite movies and have him not ask, "Mom, what do you think is going on?" I watch movies I saw years ago and realize things I missed. It makes a difference, and would have really been significant when I was a kid and teenager to go to a movie with friends and not have to rely on someone else to tell me what was going on. Christine On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > Christine, I agree with you completely. There is a screenreader company who > also provides access to described content as part of their network. I wonder > if these offerings were gotten completely on the up and up? I use the vault > myself for my own entertainment and nothing more. I'm not trying to sell it > or redistribute it in any way. Every time I enjoy a described show with one > of those awesome British accents narrating, I say thank God for the folks > across the pond who believe visually impaired folks have as much right to > described content as they can make available. I, too, would happily purchase > content were it available, but since it is not, I will continue to utilize > this described material as long as it remains an option. I hear the federal > incarceration facilities are kind of nice ,just in case they decide to lock > us all up. We may be needing a good attorney. *smiles* > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or >> classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the >> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >> disobeying laws. >> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving >> to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in >> attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like >> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty >> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into >> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, >> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, >> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students >> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for >> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, >> flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be >> able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot >> express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new >> release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. >> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; >> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the >> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about >> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) >> >> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described >> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released >> with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- >> goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible >> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It >> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only >> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, >> profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards >> those who remember us with our business. >> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I >> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and >> family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or >> a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets >> plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve >> to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of >> you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your >> correspondence thus far. >> Christine >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to >>> point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie >>> vault thin
Re: what is data detector?
That's interesting about extra functionality. However, my complaint has been that if you happen to be arrowing through a data detecter field letter by letter or even word, it keeps saying "data detecter" for every keystroke. that is what I would wanna be rid of. I think I like the idea of a small beep or tick like you get with mis-spellings when reading by line. On Apr 28, 2012, at 2:44 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > And may i add to this that if you click or context menu click on a data > detector that contains an email address, for example, it looks like Mail > tries to gather as much relevant info as possible, such as phone number, > address and so on so that you easily can make a new contact. > As the case so often is with Apples products, i really love this feature, > which is why i wouldn't want to get rid of it or make voiceover stop saying > "data detector". I think it's good to know the field is there, although > having said that, i wish that VO could make an exception when reading > continuously so it doesn't stop to say "misspelled" or "data detector", > because it interrupts the flow of the text. > /Krister > > 28 apr 2012 kl. 04:57 skrev Jonathan C. Cohn: > >> Data detechors in mail indicate a field with some additional functionality. >> It might just be a link, or an address or a date. >> >> If you click or contextually click on the item you might find choices like: >> Open link behind mail. >> Create address book entry >> Create a ical event. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jonathan C. Cohn >> jonc...@cox.net >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Since the subject came up. What is data detector and what is its purpose? >>> What can you do with it and what makes it so great? >>> >>> Jenny >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Priorities
Arguably, anything beyond the things required for daily living is a luxury. Plenty of people do not have computers or TV's. I personally have found a greater appreciation for movies and television shows when they are described, and it is exceedingly frustrating when one cannot watch a foreign film or dialogue-poor show. The level of audio description in the UK versus what is available in the U.S. is astounding -- in fact, the bulk of the audio description is done in Great Britain. I remember not going to action movies with peers when I was younger, or not being invited, because no one wanted to describe them to me. I remember people becoming annoyed when my mother quietly described what was going on in a movie. Even important information on news broadcasts is flashed across screens. If it is possible to accommodate the print-disabled and visually impaired in one country, it is possible in another. We should not have to pick and choose among "luxuries" -- Shopping for appliances is another nightmare; I am tired of having to get someone to go over touch screens and controls with me so that I can memorize, mark controls, or make charts so that I can use something for which I paid full price. Even companies which advertise that they have "accessible manuals" either do not actually provide them or only provide them in shorter, slimmed-down versions. If something is accessible to people who want it and can afford it, it should be accessible to all. Not only is their a fairness component, but a social component: culturally, experientially, we are better integrated into the social fabric of our societies when we have independent, real-world access to the things our peers take for granted. Christine show On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Hi guys. > I love audio description as much as any blind person could. Before you > couldn't get them, I bought several movies on those tapes, movies I wanted to > watch again. However, and maybe I'm showing my age here, but I consider audio > description to be a luxury for us. I watched movies and TV just fine before > we got it. > > Computer accessibility, however, including the Internet's accessibility, has > become an increasingly frustrating necessity. I don't have statistics to back > up my opinion, but I think we delude ourselves if we think we are a > money-making proposition. Poor Apple has been braver than everybody else by > jumping into the quicksand of accessibility. If the good folks in Cupertino > are sorry they they made the plunge, they are being smart enough to be quiet > about it. I think they will be better off than everyone else in that regard > eventually, especially when the feds get involved in evaluating accessibility > the education arena. At least Apple will have no trouble, unlike others, > proving that the iPad, etc. is accessible to blind and other disabled > students. > > A blind friend of mine was asking me about these new vending machines that > touch screens. He was asking if there was an iPhone app to control those > things because he's concerned that he won't even able to get a cold drink > without extra help otherwise. As it is, at least at his work, he can count > the buttons. I have another blind friend whose electric oven went out, and > she a terrible time finding an accessible one. My microwave is still > partially inaccessible since my husband has yet to put labels onto that > mostly flat screen. When I go to Louisville this summer, I can just about > guarantee that I can't independently watch TV, unless you guys can tell me of > an iPhone app that will for sure work with the hotel's TV. > > I could go on and on giving examples. Without getting political, both > blindness organizations have written resolutions for positive and/or > negative motivators for some of these folks that are busy making our lives > more and ore inaccessible. We lost the battle of the accessibility of curbing > in our U.S. cities for blind folks, making our mobility more difficult. We > can't afford to lose the computer accessibility thing. > > Regards, > Gigi > > Eugenia Firth > gigifi...@sbcglobal.net > > > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > >> not getting it just yet, figuring out finances, etc so should have it end of >> may. snowed under at the mo with a machine restoration. a vintage industrial >> machine I'm completely rebuilding ready for use. so today's been spray work >> and drying. tomorow's the same. >> >> then after that it's assembly work. >> >> lew >> >> On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:50, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Lew, >>> >>> congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, >>> and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided >>> that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do >>> everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I >>> confes
mail weirdness
Hi, I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages are back again! In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, and to not leave things on the server. What am I doing wrong? Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad was Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
what sold this for me was the use of the ipad as a complete business solution. For some work, I need straight access to certain information over the net, direct email, etc and this baby offers it. Yes, taking a laptop on the road is OK but not as practical. lew On 28 Apr 2012, at 18:32, chris hallsworth wrote: > I might get an iPad in the future. I hear the speakers are better than even > the iPhone which don't get me wrong is excellent but the more the merrier I > say. Also because the screen is large I may enjoy using iOS more as typing on > the iPad I predict will be less laborious thanks to the large screen. Don't > get me wrong I love my iOS devices but again the more the merrier I say. > > > Christopher Hallsworth > > On 28/04/2012 13:50, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi Lew, >> >> congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, >> and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided >> that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do >> everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I >> confess, though, I'm envious. Every once in a while I look at my husband's >> iPad and get a sudden craving for coolaide. lol >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: >> >>> nice one donna, I fully agree. >>> >>> the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users >>> throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed >>> for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the >>> online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, >>> the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, >>> I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol >>> >>> lew >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Christine, I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. Best, Donna On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups > or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since > the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, > employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for > disobeying laws. > I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is > moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift > in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company > like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, > plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate > us into their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not > accessible, though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in > classrooms, once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise > print-disabled students will be left out. Apple moves us two steps > forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us three steps back. I should > be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, > and get descriptions. I should be able to access books on the Nook or the > Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here > agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling publ > ication is available on iBooks. > (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I > purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published > author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to > bookshare.org; it was more important to me to have it available at the > same time to the blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently > does not care about such access, despite the fact that they would > actually get money from us.) > > I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase > audio-described movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies > which are released with audio description are not always sold through > movie resellers -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only > located The Incredible Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. > Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. > It has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver > accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. > Only apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, > as usual, profit trumps people,
Priorities
Hi guys. I love audio description as much as any blind person could. Before you couldn't get them, I bought several movies on those tapes, movies I wanted to watch again. However, and maybe I'm showing my age here, but I consider audio description to be a luxury for us. I watched movies and TV just fine before we got it. Computer accessibility, however, including the Internet's accessibility, has become an increasingly frustrating necessity. I don't have statistics to back up my opinion, but I think we delude ourselves if we think we are a money-making proposition. Poor Apple has been braver than everybody else by jumping into the quicksand of accessibility. If the good folks in Cupertino are sorry they they made the plunge, they are being smart enough to be quiet about it. I think they will be better off than everyone else in that regard eventually, especially when the feds get involved in evaluating accessibility the education arena. At least Apple will have no trouble, unlike others, proving that the iPad, etc. is accessible to blind and other disabled students. A blind friend of mine was asking me about these new vending machines that touch screens. He was asking if there was an iPhone app to control those things because he's concerned that he won't even able to get a cold drink without extra help otherwise. As it is, at least at his work, he can count the buttons. I have another blind friend whose electric oven went out, and she a terrible time finding an accessible one. My microwave is still partially inaccessible since my husband has yet to put labels onto that mostly flat screen. When I go to Louisville this summer, I can just about guarantee that I can't independently watch TV, unless you guys can tell me of an iPhone app that will for sure work with the hotel's TV. I could go on and on giving examples. Without getting political, both blindness organizations have written resolutions for positive and/or negative motivators for some of these folks that are busy making our lives more and ore inaccessible. We lost the battle of the accessibility of curbing in our U.S. cities for blind folks, making our mobility more difficult. We can't afford to lose the computer accessibility thing. Regards, Gigi Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > not getting it just yet, figuring out finances, etc so should have it end of > may. snowed under at the mo with a machine restoration. a vintage industrial > machine I'm completely rebuilding ready for use. so today's been spray work > and drying. tomorow's the same. > > then after that it's assembly work. > > lew > > On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:50, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Lew, >> >> congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, >> and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided >> that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do >> everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I >> confess, though, I'm envious. Every once in a while I look at my husband's >> iPad and get a sudden craving for coolaide. lol >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: >> >>> nice one donna, I fully agree. >>> >>> the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users >>> throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed >>> for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the >>> online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, >>> the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, >>> I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol >>> >>> lew >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Christine, I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. Best, Donna On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups > or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since > the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, > employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for > disobeying laws. > I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is > moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift > in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company > like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, > plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incor
iPad was Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
I might get an iPad in the future. I hear the speakers are better than even the iPhone which don't get me wrong is excellent but the more the merrier I say. Also because the screen is large I may enjoy using iOS more as typing on the iPad I predict will be less laborious thanks to the large screen. Don't get me wrong I love my iOS devices but again the more the merrier I say. Christopher Hallsworth On 28/04/2012 13:50, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Lew, congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I confess, though, I'm envious. Every once in a while I look at my husband's iPad and get a sudden craving for coolaide. lol Cheers, Donna On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: nice one donna, I fully agree. the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol lew On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Christine, I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. Best, Donna On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for disobeying laws. I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling publ ication is available on iBooks. (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards those who remember us with our business. Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your correspondence thus far. Christine On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
not getting it just yet, figuring out finances, etc so should have it end of may. snowed under at the mo with a machine restoration. a vintage industrial machine I'm completely rebuilding ready for use. so today's been spray work and drying. tomorow's the same. then after that it's assembly work. lew On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:50, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Lew, > > congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, > and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided > that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do > everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I > confess, though, I'm envious. Every once in a while I look at my husband's > iPad and get a sudden craving for coolaide. lol > Cheers, > Donna > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > >> nice one donna, I fully agree. >> >> the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users >> throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed >> for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the >> online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, >> the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, >> I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol >> >> lew >> >> On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine, >>> >>> I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as >>> something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as >>> something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that >>> Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for disobeying laws. I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards those who remember us with our business. Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
Christine, I agree with you completely. There is a screenreader company who also provides access to described content as part of their network. I wonder if these offerings were gotten completely on the up and up? I use the vault myself for my own entertainment and nothing more. I'm not trying to sell it or redistribute it in any way. Every time I enjoy a described show with one of those awesome British accents narrating, I say thank God for the folks across the pond who believe visually impaired folks have as much right to described content as they can make available. I, too, would happily purchase content were it available, but since it is not, I will continue to utilize this described material as long as it remains an option. I hear the federal incarceration facilities are kind of nice ,just in case they decide to lock us all up. We may be needing a good attorney. *smiles* On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or > classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the > introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, > employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for > disobeying laws. > I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving > to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in > attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like > Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of > other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their > equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though > they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again > blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left > out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us > three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or > turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books > on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure > others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling > publication is available on iBooks. > (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I > purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published > author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; > it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the > blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about > such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) > > I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described > movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released > with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- > goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible > Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. > Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It > has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver > accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only > apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, > profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards > those who remember us with our business. > Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I > download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and > family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or > a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets plenty > of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve to be > able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of you who > wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your > correspondence thus far. > Christine > On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to >> point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie >> vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe >> that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their >> business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. I >> get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not provide >> any reference to back those claims. And for the record I do not condone >> pirating of any kind and believe that regardless of accessibility issues >> even blind people must follow the laws. >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> Natur
Re: Returning to where I was in Safari
Well, I'm using Lion with a Macbook Air from Summer 2011. I have no idea what webkit is, I'll have to look that up. I use Safari. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > A couple other points. > > 1. THere is an option to have the VoiceOVer cursor jump to where the keyboard > cursor is. So for example on Google main page it would be in the search box. > > 2. Perhaps you are using an older Mac OS or not using webkit? In the older > systems where I am not quite sure what is considered older, the entire screen > would sometimes get updated when only a portion of the screen should have > been updated. This would cause VO to jump to the top. ARIA live regions have > helped resolve this at least with Lion and Webkit / Crome. > > Though don't run out and get the current (today) webkit, I have had it use a > significant CPU load on Facebook, and had CBS.com web site constantly crash > VoiceOver. > > No, I have not reported this. > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan > > Jonathan C. Cohn > jonc...@cox.net > > > > On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Traci wrote: > >> Scott thanks for this. >> >> It happens as I'm reading down a page. Say while reading Facebook, I'm >> reading the 7th status or something, then suddenly I'm back to the top. In >> youTube, when I enter a link to watch the video, then hit back to the >> previous page, I'm usually bounced to the top. >> >> I'll have to play with these web and sweet spots. >> >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Funny, I have never had a screen reader return me to a site exactly where I >>> left off and certainly not under windows. >>> So, you have the option to set a web spot via vo-keys-command-right bracket >>> or better yet a sweet spot using the same procedure; however you press the >>> right bracket key twice. The same steps using the left bracket will remove >>> the web spot/sweet spot. >>> I love this feature since I can set it on a site such as the Credit Union >>> banking site and have it always drop me at the account balance for my >>> checking account. >>> You may have to set this for each occurrence where you want VO to place you >>> each time you come to a specific page. >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Traci wrote: >>> Hi all, Something in the Mac world I find frustrating, is how often Voiceover is bounced back to the top of webpages. 1. Is there a setting where I can stop this from happening? 2. Is there a keyboard shortcut to return VO to the last spot visited on the page? It's especially annoying in Facebook. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
problems with vm fusion 4, help!
Hi, Can anyone help with vm fusion 4? I had to reinstall it and now nothing is working like before. For instance, there is no menu bar when I do vo m. I am running a trial version of fusion since I was thinking that maybe the version I had before wasn't playing nice with lion. this is only the tip of the iceberg here, but this is start of the problems I am having. I probably need to make changes to my virtual machine, but without the menu bar, it's very difficult. Also, the virtual machine lots of times doesn't shut down totally, it seems to hang. I have to restart the mac or force shut down vm fusion to clear this out. Thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
I agree with you. If they don't provide accessible movies or TV shows that we can buy, then we have to get them where we can. I'm tired of getting the short end of the stick and when I take advantage of such options, getting condemned for it. either they can level the playing field, or just shut up. Oh by the way, most of the video descriptions come from the UK anyway. Just a thought. Jenny On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Naturally, if the moderator deems this discussion verboten, I will refrain > further, but I would feel remiss not to point out the following for > consideration: > 1. As of several hours ago, there was nothing on the FBI's official web site > regarding an investigation, nor were there any press releases or other > comparable references to an investigation of the movie vault. A reference > would be appreciated; mere speculation or rumor could be deemed libelous. > > 2. The problem industries have with illegal file-sharing is loss of revenue. > Since, at least in the United States, there is virtually no way to purchase > audio-described movies or television shows, the industry is not being cheated > of revenue. > 3. The files are straight audio, with no ability, for example, to "watch" > with sighted peers while having the benefit of the audio description. This is > not at all remotely similar to downloading a film for the family to watch. > That being said, the vast majority of the sighted community does this with > impunity, even though many of the shows and movies they download can be seen > for free when they are are shown on television. We, on the other hand, cannot > even enjoy full access to these shows when they *are* on television. Either > they are not audio-described at all, or it is not easy to turn on the > secondary audio channel, or a particular station only carries foreign > language broadcasts on the SAC rather than audio description. Comparing > access to audio-described movies and shows in mp3 format to the type of > file-sharing which goes on 24/7 on hundreds and thousands of sites is a > stretch. > 4. If the government and/or the involved industries wish to do something > about the existence of resources like the movie vault, the former should > mandate, and the latter should provide a market from which we can obtain > these items. I have been able to watch a non-described movie with others > after listening to an mp3 file and tell another blind person what is going on > thanks to that previous experience. My two blind children have been able to > enjoy fare which their peers enjoyed months or years ago. Until the > entertainment industry levels the playing field, I will utilize resources > like the movie vault with the same guiltless pleasure I take in bookshare.org > (and, by the way, it is possible to download books from bookshare.org which > are available commercially.) We cannot use the Kindle as others do. WE > cannot use the Nook. We are severely limited in what we can access > independently when it comes to entertainment, and we must even still fight > for access to education at every level, despite technological advances. > Holding us to the same standards as the vast majority of illegal file-sharers > is legally, morally, and economically inequitable. > > Christine > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
Ipads themselves are perfect. The trouble is, how do you ensure that the software that is installed by schools is ully accessible so blind and vis impaired students get the same access to what they are supposed to as their sighted peers? Do IT people relaly take that into account, or do they see this as a one-size-fits-all and forget the few who may need a bit more accessibility? Jane On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > nice one donna, I fully agree. > > the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users > throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed for > work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the online > catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, the iPad > for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, I've > fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol > > lew > > On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Christine, >> >> I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as >> something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as >> something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that >> Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups >>> or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the >>> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >>> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >>> disobeying laws. >>> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is >>> moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in >>> attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like >>> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty >>> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into >>> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, >>> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, >>> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students >>> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for >>> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a >>> television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. >>> I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just >>> iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I >>> feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. >>> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >>> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >>> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; >>> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the >>> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about >>> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) >>> >>> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described >>> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are >>> released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers >>> -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible >>> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >>> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It >>> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >>> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only >>> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as >>> usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community >>> rewards those who remember us with our business. >>> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I >>> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends >>> and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my >>> para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry >>> gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I >>> deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. >>> Those of you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've >>> appreciated your correspondence thus far. >>> Christine >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to
Re: FaceDekk beta news, and link to sign up
No problem, and to answer the other question, I don't think there is but you can email him at supp...@facedekk.com and see if he plans to make a version for the computer, The Developer's name is Tony and he is pretty good at getting back to people. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
Hi there! Well although it is not perfect [but nothing is] We here in the UK have audio description available on our normal TV services! each company has to provide a certain amount of Audio description and like Subtitles it can be turned on or off! I agree that Itunes should have more content! The BBC tried to apply a fully accessible DVD system but I do not think it took off! With some of there DVD's that anyone can buy when you put it in the machine it came up talking and the person has the option to turn it off right there! Or in our case keep it running then all features were Accessible to us! Menus and of course the program is described as well! I'm not sure but it looks like we here in the UK have access to a lot more content! Colin On 28 Apr 2012, at 14:09, Christine Grassman wrote: > Because many of the educational platforms used by schools and apps out there > are not VoiceOver accessible. I was initially ecstatic at the push for the > iPad, rather than something like the Kindle being used in classrooms. But my > daughter, who has an iPhone, has been stymied more than a few times by > educational apps which are not VoiceOver accessible. Apple could certainly > require that all educational apps be made VoiceOver accessible before they > can be placed in the app store. (I have heard, though secondhand, that some > demonstrations of the iPad have included Apple-designed educational apps > which are graphically rich but not accessible. I have been trying to get more > information on this.) > > Christine > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > >> nice one donna, I fully agree. >> >> the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users >> throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed >> for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the >> online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, >> the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, >> I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol >> >> lew >> >> On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine, >>> >>> I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as >>> something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as >>> something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that >>> Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for disobeying laws. I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It has provided developers
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
Because many of the educational platforms used by schools and apps out there are not VoiceOver accessible. I was initially ecstatic at the push for the iPad, rather than something like the Kindle being used in classrooms. But my daughter, who has an iPhone, has been stymied more than a few times by educational apps which are not VoiceOver accessible. Apple could certainly require that all educational apps be made VoiceOver accessible before they can be placed in the app store. (I have heard, though secondhand, that some demonstrations of the iPad have included Apple-designed educational apps which are graphically rich but not accessible. I have been trying to get more information on this.) Christine On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > nice one donna, I fully agree. > > the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users > throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed for > work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the online > catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, the iPad > for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, I've > fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol > > lew > > On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Christine, >> >> I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as >> something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as >> something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that >> Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups >>> or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the >>> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >>> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >>> disobeying laws. >>> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is >>> moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in >>> attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like >>> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty >>> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into >>> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, >>> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, >>> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students >>> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for >>> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a >>> television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. >>> I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just >>> iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I >>> feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. >>> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >>> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >>> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; >>> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the >>> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about >>> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) >>> >>> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described >>> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are >>> released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers >>> -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible >>> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >>> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It >>> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >>> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only >>> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as >>> usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community >>> rewards those who remember us with our business. >>> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I >>> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends >>> and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my >>> para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry >>> gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I >>> deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. >>> Those of you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've >>> appreciated your correspond
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
Hi Lew, congrats on your iPad. they really are cool devices. My husband has one, and I thought long and hard about getting one too. But eventually I decided that since I didn't need the larger screen, that the iPhone could do everything I needed, so it didn't make sense to duplicate devices. I confess, though, I'm envious. Every once in a while I look at my husband's iPad and get a sudden craving for coolaide. lol Cheers, Donna On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > nice one donna, I fully agree. > > the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users > throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed for > work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the online > catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, the iPad > for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, I've > fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol > > lew > > On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Christine, >> >> I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as >> something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as >> something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that >> Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups >>> or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the >>> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >>> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >>> disobeying laws. >>> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is >>> moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in >>> attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like >>> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty >>> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into >>> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, >>> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, >>> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students >>> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for >>> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a >>> television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. >>> I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just >>> iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I >>> feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. >>> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >>> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >>> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; >>> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the >>> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about >>> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) >>> >>> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described >>> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are >>> released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers >>> -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible >>> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >>> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It >>> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >>> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only >>> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as >>> usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community >>> rewards those who remember us with our business. >>> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I >>> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends >>> and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my >>> para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry >>> gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I >>> deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. >>> Those of you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've >>> appreciated your correspondence thus far. >>> Christine >>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie vault thing also runs a l
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
nice one donna, I fully agree. the iPad is a product which can truly change the lives of blind users throughout the world. I'm in the process of buying an iPad as it's needed for work both in the workshop and on site as a rep for a company, so the online catalogue needs to be available and accessible to me all the time, the iPad for me feels absolutely amazing, after road testing the new model, I've fallen in love with it. I don't need a wife, just an iPad lol lew On 28 Apr 2012, at 13:39, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Christine, > > I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as > something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as > something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that > Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. > Best, > Donna > On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or >> classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the >> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, >> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for >> disobeying laws. >> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving >> to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in >> attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like >> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty >> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into >> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, >> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, >> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students >> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for >> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, >> flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be >> able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot >> express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new >> release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. >> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I >> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published >> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; >> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the >> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about >> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) >> >> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described >> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released >> with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- >> goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible >> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. >> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It >> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver >> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only >> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, >> profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards >> those who remember us with our business. >> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I >> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and >> family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or >> a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets >> plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve >> to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of >> you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your >> correspondence thus far. >> Christine >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to >>> point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie >>> vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe >>> that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their >>> business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. >>> I get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not >>> provide any reference to back those claims. And for the record I do not >>> condone pirating of any kind and believe that regardless of accessibility >>> issues even blind people must follow the laws. >>> >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>> Naturall
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
Hi Christine, I'm perplexed. How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as something that leaves the blind/VI student out? If anything, I see that as something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device. Best, Donna On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or > classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the > introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, > employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for > disobeying laws. > I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving > to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in > attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like > Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of > other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their > equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though > they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again > blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left > out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us > three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or > turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books > on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure > others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling > publication is available on iBooks. > (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I > purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published > author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; > it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the > blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about > such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) > > I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described > movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released > with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- > goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible > Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. > Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It > has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver > accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only > apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, > profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards > those who remember us with our business. > Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I > download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and > family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or > a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets plenty > of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve to be > able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of you who > wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your > correspondence thus far. > Christine > On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to >> point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie >> vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe >> that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their >> business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. I >> get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not provide >> any reference to back those claims. And for the record I do not condone >> pirating of any kind and believe that regardless of accessibility issues >> even blind people must follow the laws. >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> Naturally, if the moderator deems this discussion verboten, I will refrain >>> further, but I would feel remiss not to point out the following for >>> consideration: >>> 1. As of several hours ago, there was nothing on the FBI's official web >>> site regarding an investigation, nor were there any press releases or other >>> comparable references to an investigation of the movie vault. A reference >>> would be appreciated; mere speculation or rumor could be deemed libelous. >>> >>> 2. The problem industries have with illegal file-sharing is loss of >>> revenue. Since, at least in the United States, th
Re: FaceDekk beta news, and link to sign up
I think it's terrific that he is doing this, and thanks so much, Ed, for getting the ball rolling. On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > He is fixing the inaccessible parts of the app. HE just wants to get the > fixes right,and see if there is any other suggestions of better ways to get > the app to interact with voiceover. He just wants some feedback on the > accessibility of the whole app. > > Ed > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for disobeying laws. I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in attitudes toward us has been. and it seems that whenever a company like Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks. (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.) I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son. Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, profit trumps people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards those who remember us with our business. Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of you who wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your correspondence thus far. Christine On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to > point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie > vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe > that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their > business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. I > get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not provide > any reference to back those claims. And for the record I do not condone > pirating of any kind and believe that regardless of accessibility issues > even blind people must follow the laws. > > > On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> Naturally, if the moderator deems this discussion verboten, I will refrain >> further, but I would feel remiss not to point out the following for >> consideration: >> 1. As of several hours ago, there was nothing on the FBI's official web site >> regarding an investigation, nor were there any press releases or other >> comparable references to an investigation of the movie vault. A reference >> would be appreciated; mere speculation or rumor could be deemed libelous. >> >> 2. The problem industries have with illegal file-sharing is loss of revenue. >> Since, at least in the United States, there is virtually no way to purchase >> audio-described movies or television shows, the industry is not being >> cheated of revenue. >> 3. The files are straight audio, with no ability, for example, to "watch" >> with sighted peers while having the benefit of the audio description. This >> is not at all remotely similar to downloading a film for the family to >> watch. That being said, the vast majority of the sighted community does this >> with impunity, even thoug
Web Kit
What is WebKit? On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > Did you try restarting Safari? You could also try visiting the site using > webkit. > > If those things don't work, it could just be a send space problem. I have > run into strange issues trying to download from them sometimes. > > -Greg > On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I recently came to know about a site called blindmicemegamall.com >> The site contains some really good audio described Hollywood movies. >> I even tried a couple of them and the quality of the audio description was >> really awesome. >> >> However, when I tried downloading a few movies today, I was directed to the >> SendSpace page as usual, but when I clicked on the ' click here to start the >> download' link, the download didn't start and I got weird errors like 'You >> can only download one file at a time' or 'There are no slots available for >> download'. >> This happened when I tried downloading the Harry Potter Movies and also the >> Hangover part 1 and part 2. >> I've tried downloading them on a number of occasions, but I haven't had any >> success yet. >> >> Please help me if you can to solve this problem. >> >> Regards, >> Rahul >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation
I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. I get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not provide any reference to back those claims. And for the record I do not condone pirating of any kind and believe that regardless of accessibility issues even blind people must follow the laws. On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Naturally, if the moderator deems this discussion verboten, I will refrain > further, but I would feel remiss not to point out the following for > consideration: > 1. As of several hours ago, there was nothing on the FBI's official web site > regarding an investigation, nor were there any press releases or other > comparable references to an investigation of the movie vault. A reference > would be appreciated; mere speculation or rumor could be deemed libelous. > > 2. The problem industries have with illegal file-sharing is loss of revenue. > Since, at least in the United States, there is virtually no way to purchase > audio-described movies or television shows, the industry is not being cheated > of revenue. > 3. The files are straight audio, with no ability, for example, to "watch" > with sighted peers while having the benefit of the audio description. This is > not at all remotely similar to downloading a film for the family to watch. > That being said, the vast majority of the sighted community does this with > impunity, even though many of the shows and movies they download can be seen > for free when they are are shown on television. We, on the other hand, cannot > even enjoy full access to these shows when they *are* on television. Either > they are not audio-described at all, or it is not easy to turn on the > secondary audio channel, or a particular station only carries foreign > language broadcasts on the SAC rather than audio description. Comparing > access to audio-described movies and shows in mp3 format to the type of > file-sharing which goes on 24/7 on hundreds and thousands of sites is a > stretch. > 4. If the government and/or the involved industries wish to do something > about the existence of resources like the movie vault, the former should > mandate, and the latter should provide a market from which we can obtain > these items. I have been able to watch a non-described movie with others > after listening to an mp3 file and tell another blind person what is going on > thanks to that previous experience. My two blind children have been able to > enjoy fare which their peers enjoyed months or years ago. Until the > entertainment industry levels the playing field, I will utilize resources > like the movie vault with the same guiltless pleasure I take in bookshare.org > (and, by the way, it is possible to download books from bookshare.org which > are available commercially.) We cannot use the Kindle as others do. WE > cannot use the Nook. We are severely limited in what we can access > independently when it comes to entertainment, and we must even still fight > for access to education at every level, despite technological advances. > Holding us to the same standards as the vast majority of illegal file-sharers > is legally, morally, and economically inequitable. > > Christine > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: what is data detector?
Hi, And may i add to this that if you click or context menu click on a data detector that contains an email address, for example, it looks like Mail tries to gather as much relevant info as possible, such as phone number, address and so on so that you easily can make a new contact. As the case so often is with Apples products, i really love this feature, which is why i wouldn't want to get rid of it or make voiceover stop saying "data detector". I think it's good to know the field is there, although having said that, i wish that VO could make an exception when reading continuously so it doesn't stop to say "misspelled" or "data detector", because it interrupts the flow of the text. /Krister 28 apr 2012 kl. 04:57 skrev Jonathan C. Cohn: > Data detechors in mail indicate a field with some additional functionality. > It might just be a link, or an address or a date. > > If you click or contextually click on the item you might find choices like: > Open link behind mail. > Create address book entry > Create a ical event. > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan C. Cohn > jonc...@cox.net > > > > On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Since the subject came up. What is data detector and what is its purpose? >> What can you do with it and what makes it so great? >> >> Jenny >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: FaceDekk beta news, and link to sign up
An interesting question is if there's a Facedekk for the Mac in the pipeline? I would love to have a full featured facebook client for the Mac but with a Twitter client like interface, rather like Facedekk has. /Krister 27 apr 2012 kl. 23:05 skrev Ed Worrell: > He is fixing the inaccessible parts of the app. HE just wants to get the > fixes right,and see if there is any other suggestions of better ways to get > the app to interact with voiceover. He just wants some feedback on the > accessibility of the whole app. > > Ed > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Questions about Menu Tab Pro
Hi, I can confirm the bug with being thrown to places you don't want to be. In my case, and this only happens when showing the mobile version of Facebook, is that i get tossed onto the "home" button and when i try going back and interact with the html contents, VO dings like there was nothing there, when in fact it is. I don't know where this problem lies if it's an app specific issue or a facebook one or if the problem is with Voiceover itself so i don't know where to go to actually report this problem. /Krister 27 apr 2012 kl. 19:57 skrev Andrew Lamanche: > Dear Listers, > > I know that some of you have been using Menu Tab Pro for Facebook. I > wonder whether you might clear a few things up for me. I've just > installed and started using it. I'm not sure whether there are any > settings to adjust but I frequently - when going through various posts > - get thrown to the beginning of the page and thus have to move again > through all the posts before I get thrown to the beginning again, > presumably because the page gets refreshed. Also, if i comment on a > post, I get taken to the beginning of the page which is a nuisance. I > don't seem to be able to use item chooser with Menu Ta Pro, can you > confirm this? Are there any hints and tips anyone would kindly share > with me? It seems like it might be a useful application but being > thrown back to the beginning of the page, does make things rather > tedious. > > If anyone could help, I'd be grateful. Please e-mail off list, if you wish. > > With many thanks, > > Andrew > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
