Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. The reason why I'm not committed to iOS full time is the lack of support 
for third-party voices from Acapela and other dealers. So for me, my next 
computer will probably be a MacBook Air.

Shawn
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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
> the expansion ports of a Mac.
> 
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, 
> I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro 
> is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have 
> an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad 
> do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
> obviously. :)
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
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>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
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>>> To: 
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>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.

They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the 
warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's 
quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.


And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are 
incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but 
I've had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011, 
and that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most 
mac computers hold up really really well!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
bad.

Arnold Schmidt
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To: 
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Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
closed up.

It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
to, or the mac mini like you could before,

Imac can still be done '
The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
to remove or change the harddrive.

I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Launchpad, what is it?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK Mike,

Launchpad is an app which makes all the apps on your mac appear in a icon grid 
view.  Basically, it makes the apps on your system appear as if you were 
looking at an iOS home screen.  And yes, it is accessible.  You either arrow 
to, or use first letter navigation to find the item you're looking for, then 
when focussed on it, you can just hit return to launch the app.

I don't personally use it, but it's there if you really want to.
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  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 1:14 AM
  Subject: Launchpad, what is it?


  can anyone let me know what Launchpad is used for? i’ve had it on my mac 
since apple put it there, but haven’t been able to figure out what i can use it 
for. admittedly, i’ve not explored much, and would love some feedback from 
those of you who may have.
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Re: Safari question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What type things are you searching for?  Given that I've never ever heard of 
this site, it would be useful to know what type things to search for 
specifically.

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Subject: Safari question


Hi all!
I am still running Yosemite and I've noticed that when I go to one web site 
in particular safari is really slow.

It is the homedepot web site,
http://www.homedepot.com
There is a search box there that says what can we help you find and when I 
enter text there it takes forever to do anything after that.  I just 
wondered if somebody might go there and try to search for something to see 
if they get the same results.  I might be forced to upgrade to El Capitan.

:)

I've tried using google chrome and it works pretty well but I don't seem to 
be able to do option-tab to go to the search field.  Maybe there is a 
setting I need to take a look at.

Thanks for any help.
Jim

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RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.

 The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 

 It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
 Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though 
you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which 
will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
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Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth 
keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of 
you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go 
with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 

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RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Simon Fogarty]

The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models 
Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to 
them than the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't 
great for quad speakers.

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sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard 
drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on 
their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark 
Gilland wrote:

> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
> IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
> miss something obvious?
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> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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RE: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

[Simon Fogarty]

Iclouds accessible? Last time I looked at it the accessibility was poo

But thanks I”ll give that a look



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:16 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

You must first go to appleid.apple.com > security and 
turn off two step verification, if you have it on. Then, after you've made 
three security questions (part of disabling two step verification), go to your 
iPhone > settings > iCloud. Tap the button named for your account username, 
enter the password, and tap two factor authentication. That's if you can find 
it.
On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:49, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

My iPHone has two factor authentication?

Where abouts is it I shoud be looking for this?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 2:36 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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Subject: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

Hi all,
My sister had to turn off two step verification on her ID months ago so she 
could sign into the Apple TV 3. However, she went to turn on two factor 
authentication today, at my urging, but it's not anywhere. She has El Cap, 
iOS9, and watchOS2. Yet neither on the Mac, web, or iPhone is 2FA an option at 
all. It's not that it's dimmed, it's literally not there in any way. I enabled 
it on my account with no trouble, although I'm on iOS10. Still, all the 
articles I've read--including Apple's own--say to do exactly what I did. Why 
hers isn't working is beyond me. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

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RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Max,

The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
storage
  And up to 8gb ram.

Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they only 
have sertain machines as general builds.

The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.

They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
And a great battery life

The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan sizes,
 And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.

As do the prices.

I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching tv 
or movies in which case things drop by about 25%

The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.

The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.

Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
said it depends on your kind of usage.


From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
differences between the pro and air. thanks, max
On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:


The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, which 
is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks the 
expansion ports of a Mac.

As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you can't 
run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but I do 
have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, I'd 
rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a 
fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have an 
iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do 
for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
obviously. :)
On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard 
drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on 
their cloud drive? thanks, max
On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!

I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
miss something obvious?
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Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth 
keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of 
you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go 
with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

No you take it to an apple tech to get it repairded.

 Yes they have everything solded to the main board to save space therefore you 
have to get it looked at for repairs 

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Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 4:30 PM
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When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the Apple 
store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know I would 
have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went bad.

Arnold Schmidt
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Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

 They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
 I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
closed up.

 It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of 
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able 
to, or the mac mini like you could before,

 Imac can still be done '
 The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
to remove or change the harddrive.

 I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>
> Portia.
>
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>>
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>
>> Portia.
>>
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>
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IOS 10 beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List folks,

Ok so today I thought I'd be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
beta release.

Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
10, I've found a few but others are hiding from me.

The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after updating.

But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in the 
touch sensor.

Cheers for any information.

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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Ray Foret jr]

Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are strictly 
forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta testing of IOS10. 
 This pertains both to developer beta as well as the public beta.  Bear in mind 
that the public beta is public strictly in the sence that the public has access 
to it without paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is 
strictly forbidden.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi List folks,
>  
> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
> beta release.
>  
> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
> 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
>  
> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after updating.
>  
> But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in the 
> touch sensor.
>  
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Simon,

I’m not sure how much written material Rob puts out but his podcasts list all 
the new features and the differences between each beta release. I see he has a 
twitter feed. So I could imagine the new features being tweeted.

http://tii.libsyn.com

Regards,

Gena

> On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:06, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi List folks,
>  
> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
> beta release.
>  
> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
> 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
>  
> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after updating.
>  
> But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in the 
> touch sensor.
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Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Arnold Schmidt]

Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now ordered 
my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply work better 
in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user simply does not 
know how to do something well when they say something doesn't work as well, so 
I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced users.  I know, 
for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the Mac, I don't know 
how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and 
reading, by importing everything into a word processing app is about more 
trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  
But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

[Alex Hall]

No, the website is appleid.apple.com. Then, on your iOS device, open Settings, 
go to iCloud, tap on your account name, and proceed from there as described.
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:42, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Iclouds accessible? Last time I looked at it the accessibility was poo
>  
> But thanks I”ll give that a look
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:16 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?
>  
> You must first go to appleid.apple.com  > security 
> and turn off two step verification, if you have it on. Then, after you've 
> made three security questions (part of disabling two step verification), go 
> to your iPhone > settings > iCloud. Tap the button named for your account 
> username, enter the password, and tap two factor authentication. That's if 
> you can find it.
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:49, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> My iPHone has two factor authentication?
>  
> Where abouts is it I shoud be looking for this?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 2:36 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?
>  
> Hi all,
> My sister had to turn off two step verification on her ID months ago so she 
> could sign into the Apple TV 3. However, she went to turn on two factor 
> authentication today, at my urging, but it's not anywhere. She has El Cap, 
> iOS9, and watchOS2. Yet neither on the Mac, web, or iPhone is 2FA an option 
> at all. It's not that it's dimmed, it's literally not there in any way. I 
> enabled it on my account with no trouble, although I'm on iOS10. Still, all 
> the articles I've read--including Apple's own--say to do exactly what I did. 
> Why hers isn't working is beyond me. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Alex Hall]

There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a 
new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that 
time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones 
(what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be 
updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking 
of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes.

I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind 
user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, 
certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the 
larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good 
deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the 
differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my 
guide to all of Apple's Mac computers:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
>  
> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
> storage
>   And up to 8gb ram.
>  
> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>  
> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>  
> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
> And a great battery life
>  
> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
> sizes,
>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>  
> As do the prices.
>  
> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching tv 
> or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>  
> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>  
> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>  
> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>  
>  
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>  
> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
> 
> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>  
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, 
> I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro 
> is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have 
> an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad 
> do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
> obviously. :)
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff 
> on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
> IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
> miss something obvious?
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> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
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> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just abou

Re: IOS 10 beta

[E.T.]

   And there is, or was, a mailing list for beta testers.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/9/2016 5:05 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are
strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta
testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well as the
public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public strictly in
the sence that the public has access to it without paying a developer
fee:  but, open discussion of findings is strictly forbidden.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List folks,

Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the
IOS 10 beta release.

Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features
in IOS 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.

The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after
updating.

But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints
in the touch sensor.

Cheers for any information.

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Re: Safari question

[Ken brown]

I know you were asking about Safari, but Home Depot has an app which is 
accessible and will let you do a search on your phone and is is very quick.
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> I am still running Yosemite and I've noticed that when I go to one web site 
> in particular safari is really slow.
> It is the homedepot web site,
> http://www.homedepot.com
> There is a search box there that says what can we help you find and when I 
> enter text there it takes forever to do anything after that.  I just wondered 
> if somebody might go there and try to search for something to see if they get 
> the same results.  I might be forced to upgrade to El Capitan.
> :)
> 
> I've tried using google chrome and it works pretty well but I don't seem to 
> be able to do option-tab to go to the search field.  Maybe there is a setting 
> I need to take a look at.
> Thanks for any help.
> Jim
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Re: Launchpad, what is it?

[Stacey Robinson]

How do you access LaunchPad with VO?
I’ve never understood how to use it.
Blessings,
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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> 
> OK Mike,
>  
> Launchpad is an app which makes all the apps on your mac appear in a icon 
> grid view.  Basically, it makes the apps on your system appear as if you were 
> looking at an iOS home screen.  And yes, it is accessible.  You either arrow 
> to, or use first letter navigation to find the item you're looking for, then 
> when focussed on it, you can just hit return to launch the app.
>  
> I don't personally use it, but it's there if you really want to.
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>> - Original Message - 
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>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 1:14 AM
>> Subject: Launchpad, what is it?
>> 
>> can anyone let me know what Launchpad is used for? i’ve had it on my mac 
>> since apple put it there, but haven’t been able to figure out what i can use 
>> it for. admittedly, i’ve not explored much, and would love some feedback 
>> from those of you who may have.
>> best.
>> 
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes, 
kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at all 
these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking the vm 
off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.

For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine reader.

hth,
Caitlyn

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now 
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply 
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user 
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something doesn't 
> work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced 
> users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the 
> Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds 
> as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a word processing 
> app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB 
> reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any 
> opinions.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I never knew my Air had an SD card slot. I feel really stupid.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a 
new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that 
time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones 
(what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be 
updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking 
of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes.

I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind 
user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, 
certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the 
larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good 
deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the 
differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my 
guide to all of Apple's Mac computers:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
>  
> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
> storage
>   And up to 8gb ram.
>  
> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>  
> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>  
> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
> And a great battery life
>  
> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
> sizes,
>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>  
> As do the prices.
>  
> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching tv 
> or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>  
> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>  
> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>  
> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>  
>  
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>  
> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
> 
> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>  
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, 
> I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro 
> is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have 
> an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad 
> do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
> obviously. :)
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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>  
> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff 
> on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
> IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
> miss something obvious?
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> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
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> To: 
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> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just abou

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
player instead. what do you think? Max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
> 
> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
> 
> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though 
> you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which 
> will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out the 
ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models 
> Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to 
> them than the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it 
> wasn't great for quad speakers.
> 
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> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> 
> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff 
> on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>> 
>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>> I miss something obvious?
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>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
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>> To: 
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>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want as 
much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the air than 
it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch might be 
what I need. thanks, Max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Hi Max,
>  
> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
> storage
>   And up to 8gb ram.
>  
> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>  
> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>  
> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
> And a great battery life
>  
> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
> sizes,
>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>  
> As do the prices.
>  
> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching tv 
> or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>  
> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>  
> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>  
> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>  
>  
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>  
> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
> 
> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>  
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, 
> I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro 
> is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have 
> an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad 
> do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
> obviously. :)
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff 
> on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
> IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
> miss something obvious?
> ---
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> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
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> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing to 
spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can accept 
more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with all 
this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a better 
display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can 
still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do it well 
if you don't take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice 
machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but 
it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an 
iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be 
done on a laptop or Desktop unit.

So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will do 
just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 GB of 
RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make sure 
that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
player instead. what do you think? Max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
> 
> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
> 
> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though 
> you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which 
> will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
> 
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Re: Safari question

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

Very interesting.  Cool how we live in our own little worlds.  There's no way 
in the world that I thought an American resident would not be familiar with the 
Home Depot.  I guess that it's a matter of prospective and what circles we 
involve ourselves in.  Oh well, I digress.  Regarding the Home Depot US site, 
you are totally correct in that it does seem to hang Safari once the search 
results are attempting to be displayed.  The Home Depot Canadian version is a 
little slow to load, but does work and is usable, but the US version seems to 
hang indefinitely.  The two things that I'd suggest would be first to try 
searching in Google instead.  That is, for example, if you were looking for a 
freezer, type "freezer home depot" in your Google search field and see if going 
in the back way makes a difference.  the second would be to use the Home Depot 
app as previously suggested, if you do indeed have an iOS device to do this on. 
 Otherwise, a call to the Home Depot web support people may be in order.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 03:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

What type things are you searching for?  Given that I've never ever heard of 
this site, it would be useful to know what type things to search for 
specifically.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Jim Gatteys" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 2:36 AM
Subject: Safari question


Hi all!
I am still running Yosemite and I've noticed that when I go to one web site in 
particular safari is really slow.
It is the homedepot web site,
http://www.homedepot.com
There is a search box there that says what can we help you find and when I 
enter text there it takes forever to do anything after that.  I just wondered 
if somebody might go there and try to search for something to see if they get 
the same results.  I might be forced to upgrade to El Capitan.
:)

I've tried using google chrome and it works pretty well but I don't seem to be 
able to do option-tab to go to the search field.  Maybe there is a setting I 
need to take a look at.
Thanks for any help.
Jim

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Re: Safari question

[Blee Blat]

Better would be putting something like this in your friendly search engine 
site:homedepot.com stuff you're looking for

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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I 
think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 
because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go 
with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future 
versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can 
move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be 
nice. thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with 
> all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a 
> better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. 
>  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do 
> it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very 
> nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the 
> future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most 
> everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option 
> as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
> 
> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
> in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
> book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
> the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
> much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
> player instead. what do you think? Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>> 
>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
>> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>> 
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Re: Safari question

[Jim Gatteys]

Thanks Tim, glad it is just not me.  I'll contact them to see if they can do 
anything about it.
Jim

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Very interesting.  Cool how we live in our own little worlds.  There's no way 
> in the world that I thought an American resident would not be familiar with 
> the Home Depot.  I guess that it's a matter of prospective and what circles 
> we involve ourselves in.  Oh well, I digress.  Regarding the Home Depot US 
> site, you are totally correct in that it does seem to hang Safari once the 
> search results are attempting to be displayed.  The Home Depot Canadian 
> version is a little slow to load, but does work and is usable, but the US 
> version seems to hang indefinitely.  The two things that I'd suggest would be 
> first to try searching in Google instead.  That is, for example, if you were 
> looking for a freezer, type "freezer home depot" in your Google search field 
> and see if going in the back way makes a difference.  the second would be to 
> use the Home Depot app as previously suggested, if you do indeed have an iOS 
> device to do this on.  Otherwise, a call to the Home Depot web support people 
> may be in order.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 03:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> What type things are you searching for?  Given that I've never ever heard of 
> this site, it would be useful to know what type things to search for 
> specifically.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Gatteys" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 2:36 AM
> Subject: Safari question
> 
> 
> Hi all!
> I am still running Yosemite and I've noticed that when I go to one web site 
> in particular safari is really slow.
> It is the homedepot web site,
> http://www.homedepot.com
> There is a search box there that says what can we help you find and when I 
> enter text there it takes forever to do anything after that.  I just wondered 
> if somebody might go there and try to search for something to see if they get 
> the same results.  I might be forced to upgrade to El Capitan.
> :)
> 
> I've tried using google chrome and it works pretty well but I don't seem to 
> be able to do option-tab to go to the search field.  Maybe there is a setting 
> I need to take a look at.
> Thanks for any help.
> Jim
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
know a thing or two.
I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
games like lone woolf.
That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)

On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Hi,
> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
>
> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
> reader.
>
> hth,
> Caitlyn
>
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm not 
an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to 
be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that someone may 
not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work with 
WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice.  
Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the 
Air would be less expensive.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I 
think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 
because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go 
with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future 
versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can 
move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be 
nice. thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with 
> all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a 
> better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. 
>  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do 
> it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very 
> nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the 
> future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most 
> everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option 
> as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
> 
> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
> in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
> book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
> the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
> much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
> player instead. what do you think? Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>> 
>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
>> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. 
Thanks, Max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Max,
> 
> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm not 
> an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to 
> be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that someone may 
> not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work 
> with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice.  
> Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although 
> the Air would be less expensive.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, 
> I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 
> because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably 
> go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means 
> future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now 
> we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option 
> would be nice. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>> 
>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>>> 
>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Than

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Alex Hall]

There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the record. As 
to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina MacBook last year, 
including only one port aside from the headphone jack. This suggests less 
expansion, not more, especially on their mobile products. I, too, have no 
special knowledge or anything, but I can't imagine them allowing expansion 
slots to take up space.

The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends heavily on 
what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose, though. I find the 
Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building different Macs to look at 
their prices, though you can, of course, do that on apple.com too.
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more 
>>> for the everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would 
>>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive 
>>> model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way 
>>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they 
>>> become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting 
>>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO 
>>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or 
>>> Desktop unit.
>>> 
>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will 
>>> make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
 The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
 
 The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
 
 It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
 Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
 requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
 But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[E.T.]

   The below link is a good place to compare Macs.



From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/9/2016 12:15 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the
record. As to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina
MacBook last year, including only one port aside from the headphone
jack. This suggests less expansion, not more, especially on their mobile
products. I, too, have no special knowledge or anything, but I can't
imagine them allowing expansion slots to take up space.

The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends
heavily on what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose,
though. I find the Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building
different Macs to look at their prices, though you can, of course, do
that on apple.com  too.

On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air
would be. Thanks, Max
On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices
slim and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.
 So, I don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on
their radar.  I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than
most others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple
products.  Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick
and portable storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or
Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice.  Regarding the
MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air
would be less expensive.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my
websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually
miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs
a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot.
question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may
also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between
devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice.
thanks, max
On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with
built-in DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the
Pro or the Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer
and how much you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better
processors, better displays, usually can accept more RAM and are
simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with all this,
comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a
better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the
everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would
be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least
expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is
likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will
be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an
iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.
 the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where
near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.

So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're
not a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the
MacBook Air will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though,
make sure to get at least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and
upgrade your processor.  This will make sure that it lasts you a
good long time and maintains its usefulness.
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe
I'll go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I
am staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book
air? I'm thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly
ever need one, and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to
just carry a little external drive or portable dvd player instead.
what do you think? Max
On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.

The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around

It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to
requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems
But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or
sending

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I do realize that there is both WiFi and Lightning storage, my thoughts though 
were whether there may be something in the future that works with iOS for 
external storage.  Maybe there is and I'm out of the loop, but I haven't 
noticed it.  With respect to pricing, I'm only quoting Canadian pricing from 
apple.ca where a 13" MacBook Air with 256 GB Flash storage and 8 GB RAM goes 
for $1449 CAD and a 13" MacBook Pro with 256 GB storage and 8 GB RAM goes for 
$1799 CAD.  Note that the Pro has a faster, more powerful processor, Retina 
Display, Force-Touch Trackpad and more.  So, you are getting more computer for 
the extra expenditure.  Each of these are upgradable with more RAM, more 
storage etc.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:15, Alex Hall  wrote:

There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the record. As 
to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina MacBook last year, 
including only one port aside from the headphone jack. This suggests less 
expansion, not more, especially on their mobile products. I, too, have no 
special knowledge or anything, but I can't imagine them allowing expansion 
slots to take up space.

The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends heavily on 
what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose, though. I find the 
Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building different Macs to look at 
their prices, though you can, of course, do that on apple.com 
 too.
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more 
>>> for the everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would 
>>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive 
>>> model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way 
>>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they 
>>> become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting 
>>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO 
>>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or 
>>> Desktop unit.
>>> 
>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will 
>>> make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer a

Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't use Windows much at all.  Probably once a month or so for Server stuff, 
and that's it.  Not sure why people love Eloquence so much either.  I've heard 
others praise its glories, but I've never found it pleasant myself.  I guess to 
each their own.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:52, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:

Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
know a thing or two.
I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
games like lone woolf.
That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)

On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Hi,
> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
> 
> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
> reader.
> 
> hth,
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Andy]

Hi Max and all.

Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.

I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
getting an almost new computer.


I thought it was worth considering this option.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
be. Thanks, Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions 
that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible 
from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what 
you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
having that option would be nice. thanks, max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an 
iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what 
can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.


So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. 
This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
usefulness.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.

The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around

It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems
But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending 
and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a g

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

i just have to remind myself of two things. one, when i buy not to skimp on ram 
and hard drive because I will have it longer than most people keep theirs. and 
that at least I don't have to pay freedom scientific or some other company for 
third party speech software. later, Max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I do realize that there is both WiFi and Lightning storage, my thoughts 
> though were whether there may be something in the future that works with iOS 
> for external storage.  Maybe there is and I'm out of the loop, but I haven't 
> noticed it.  With respect to pricing, I'm only quoting Canadian pricing from 
> apple.ca where a 13" MacBook Air with 256 GB Flash storage and 8 GB RAM goes 
> for $1449 CAD and a 13" MacBook Pro with 256 GB storage and 8 GB RAM goes for 
> $1799 CAD.  Note that the Pro has a faster, more powerful processor, Retina 
> Display, Force-Touch Trackpad and more.  So, you are getting more computer 
> for the extra expenditure.  Each of these are upgradable with more RAM, more 
> storage etc.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the record. As 
> to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina MacBook last year, 
> including only one port aside from the headphone jack. This suggests less 
> expansion, not more, especially on their mobile products. I, too, have no 
> special knowledge or anything, but I can't imagine them allowing expansion 
> slots to take up space.
> 
> The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends heavily 
> on what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose, though. I find 
> the Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building different Macs to 
> look at their prices, though you can, of course, do that on apple.com too.
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
>> be. Thanks, Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Max,
>>> 
>>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're 
>>> hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
 DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
 Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
 you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
 displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
 powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
 and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
 machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
 that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take 
 the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS 
 is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be 
 a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS 
 device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
 keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can 
 be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
 
 So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
 power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
 will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
 least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD a

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's a good savings Andy.  Just be careful not to spill your beer onto your 
macBook Air while in the Pub.  Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy  wrote:

Hi Max and all.

Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.

I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to undergo 
training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I can carry it 
easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of beers and play 
with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm buying a refurnished 
model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already been told that they can 
give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand new Macbook Air is £800.00. 
 When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new computers for sale, 
I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS and return it within 14 
days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an almost new computer.

I thought it was worth considering this option.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. 
Thanks, Max
On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Max,
> 
> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm not 
> an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to 
> be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that someone may 
> not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work 
> with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice.  
> Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although 
> the Air would be less expensive.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, 
> I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 
> because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably 
> go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means 
> future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now 
> we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option 
> would be nice. thanks, max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

thanks andy; all the info is appreciated. i hear something similar may be about 
to happen when iOS 10 hits the i devices. take care, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Andy wrote:

> Hi Max and all.
> 
> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
> 
> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I can 
> carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of 
> beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm buying a 
> refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already been told 
> that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand new Macbook 
> Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new 
> computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS 
> and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an 
> almost new computer.
> 
> I thought it was worth considering this option.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more 
>>> for the everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would 
>>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive 
>>> model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way 
>>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they 
>>> become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting 
>>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO 
>>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or 
>>> Desktop unit.
>>> 
>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make 
>>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 Yes I've used the 12 and 9

Re: Launchpad, what is it?

[Michael Babcock]

Marc:
Thanks a lot for this information; now I understand the launch pad app. I don’t 
think I’ll use it, as keyboard commanders and my doc quickly get me the apps I 
need the most. Just thought I would ask in case I could use Launch Pad to be 
more productive.
Textexpander is saving me a lot of time, I’m into this whole get more time 
where I can.
Have a wonderful rest of your weekend.

***
Michael Babcock
Consulting Blind entrepreneurs on digital marketing
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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:22 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> This is an excellent question.
> 
> If you have an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, the grid of icons you encounter 
> when the device is powered on, is called the Launch Pad.
> 
> The Launch Pad in Mac OS, serves the same purpose.  It's just another way to 
> interact with your Mac.
> 
> Some people, generally sighted, who began their journey into the Apple 
> orchard via iPhone, iPad, and/or iPod Touch prefer to interact with their 
> Macs using the same kind of icon-based grid that they have grown accustomed 
> to in iOS.  
> 
> That's really all there is to it.  From a blindness perspective, however, in 
> my opinion, in Mac OS, the Launch Pad can be a bit overwhelming as it 
> displays a vast number of icons in one grid.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Launchpad, what is it?
> 
> can anyone let me know what Launchpad is used for? i’ve had it on my mac 
> since apple put it there, but haven’t been able to figure out what i can use 
> it for. admittedly, i’ve not explored much, and would love some feedback from 
> those of you who may have.
> best.
> 
> ***
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Andy]

Hi Tim.

Funny, I never considered the possibility of spilling my beer!  I've been 
more concerned about how it would look when I took my Macbookk Air to the 
toilet.  Do you think that all of my friends in the pub will think that I 
don't trust them and that they may lift my computer while I was away from my 
table?  It's a thought!


Very best wishes.
Andy.




- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi,

That's a good savings Andy.  Just be careful not to spill your beer onto 
your macBook Air while in the Pub.  Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket 
:).


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy  wrote:

Hi Max and all.

Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.

I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
getting an almost new computer.


I thought it was worth considering this option.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
be. Thanks, Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions 
that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible 
from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what 
you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
having that option would be nice. thanks, max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an 
iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what 
can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.


So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This 
will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
usefulness.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Brent Harding]

Yes, it's an odd thing that happens on many email lists now because many 
providers check various records of domains now to determine authorized mail 
servers, so that the from header has the person's name and email appended to 
that of the lists now. Otherwise, sites like gmail tend to reject it outright 
as spam.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Hudson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 5:31 PM
  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  This happens with people that are using Google mail. Normally I am able to 
figure out whether addresses and news D right arrow key to copy just the 
address after hitting reply. And that normally works.

  Joseph Hudson
  Email
  jhud7...@gmail.com
  I device support
  Telephone
  2543007667
  Skype
  joseph.hudson89 facebook
  https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
  Twitter
  https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 


  FaceTime/iMessage
  jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I know, I wrote the list apologizing.  I'm not sure why some people it says 
name via mac visionaries, where others the headers actually contain their 
physical e-mail address.  It doesn't make any sense to me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Hudson
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:26 PM
  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I 
hope he sees it so that she can write you a off list.

  Joseph Hudson
  Email
  jhud7...@gmail.com
  I device support
  Telephone
  2543007667
  Skype
  joseph.hudson89 facebook
  https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
  Twitter
  https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 


  FaceTime/iMessage
  jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Hi Peggy,

I am writing you this off list.

Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a 
schedule timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking 
right now like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work 
hours, obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of us can 
try to negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that every single 
person totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I can.  Ideally, 
I'd like the first one hour long lesson to be next week.

Chris.


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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

I believe it’s configurable with in google mail but as I understand it there is 
an anti spam component to this.  You should be able to configure the behavior 
with in google though.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> This happens with people that are using Google mail. Normally I am able to 
> figure out whether addresses and news D right arrow key to copy just the 
> address after hitting reply. And that normally works.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> I know, I wrote the list apologizing.  I'm not sure why some people it says 
>> name via mac visionaries, where others the headers actually contain their 
>> physical e-mail address.  It doesn't make any sense to me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Joseph Hudson 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read
>>> 
>>> Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I 
>>> hope he sees it so that she can write you a off list.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 Hi Peggy,
 
 I am writing you this off list.
 
 Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a schedule 
 timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking right 
 now like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work 
 hours, obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of 
 us can try to negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that 
 every single person totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I 
 can.  Ideally, I'd like the first one hour long lesson to be next week.
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Don’t blame you, don’t like the non standard stuff either.  Not a huge FaceTime 
user for the same reason.  Likes my protocols open.:)

I had to manage some Skype to SIP gateways and it was unpleasant.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 4:14 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> No Skype.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work 
>> with my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my 
>> services are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
>>> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
>>> the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and 
>>> be more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my 
>>> Mac, the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave 
>>> me a lesson to remember.
>>> 
>>> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
 On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
 
 I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
 of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
 
 I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
 story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd 
 say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
 minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
 
 So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
 telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
 Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
 basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
 Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
 for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you 
 all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I 
 would make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small 
 portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping 
 you all better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, 
 the coriculum would be:
 
 Deciding which mac is right for you
 The differences in keyboard layouts
 Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
 Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
 Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
 Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
 Basic VO keyboard navigation
 Basic VO trackpad navigation
 Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
 Completing the first time setup assistant
 Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
 The basics of Quick Nav
 Accessing and navigating menu bars
 Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
 Connecting to a wifi network
 Configuring Finder view options to your liking
 Accessing right click context menus
 Navigating the dock, and what is it
 Switching between opened applications
 The Running applications window
 Switching between opened windows within an application
 The Window chooser
 System Preferences, and useful configurations
 The Finder, and basic navigation
 Opening files/folders
 Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
 The Finder sidebar
 The finder browser
 Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
 Changing between the three different views
 Renaming files/folders
 Copy/pasting files/folders
 Selecting files/folders contiguously
 Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
 Adding items to the dock
 Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
 Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
 Closing opened windows
 Quitting applications
 Force quitting applications, and when to do so
 An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
 An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
 Routing the mouse pointer
 Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
 Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
 Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
 Hiding vs. minimizing
 Zooming vs. maximizing
 Closing vs. quitting
 Setting some useful preferences for Safari
 Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
 One dedicated class to working with E-mail
 Three dedicat

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Brent Harding]

As far as repairs go, some states may only have 2 Apple Stores. At least, 
that is how it is in Wisconsin, so I'd have to take my chances with the 
local type of places, think one is called iSupply, that claims to be able to 
even fix broken iPhones. As far as things going out, I'd say that on most 
computers, it would probably be either the hard drive, fans, or the power 
supply before the memory would ever be a problem. I'm far enough from either 
of them that an estimate from Uber would put me in the new iPhone range, if 
you counted round trip, and if those little towns didn't have Uber, it would 
probably be taxiing it back.


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.

They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the
warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's
quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.

And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are
incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but
I've had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011,
and that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most
mac computers hold up really really well!
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
bad.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
closed up.

It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
to, or the mac mini like you could before,

Imac can still be done '
The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
to remove or change the harddrive.

I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Totally bogus statement.

Apple has things as a closed system as a pure money making move only.  It has 
nothing to do with liability, consumer ability or anything imaginary like that.

Apple sells memory upgrades for $1000, this same upgrade costs $150 from 
Crucial or it did when I did the work myself.  This is a huge money center for 
our favorite fruit manufacturer.  Same with the SSD.  For a 1 TB SSD they 
charge a grand premium, you can buy the same size drive that performs better 
and has a faster write rate than the Apple offering for $300.  By requiring a 
wave soldering machine to replace parts you put the ability of replacing the 
hardware outside the abilities of most people because they don’t have a 7 
figure soldering machine.  So you are forced to buy the Apple offering and 
forced to pay their prices even though there are better, far less expensive 
options.
Cisco Systems does this very same thing with their memory modules.

I happen to have access to a wave soldering machine so I can remove parts from 
PC (perforated circuit) boards the same way Apple does it.  But again these are 
7 figure devices usually used in manufacturing.  I bet there are consumer 
options available just like you can by a consumer 3D printer or milling machine 
but still big $$$.

So to put it simply, Apple has you by the short and curly’s.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.
> 
> They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the 
> warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's 
> quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.
> 
> And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are 
> incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but I've 
> had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011, and 
> that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most mac 
> computers hold up really really well!
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> - Original Message - From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
> Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
> I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
> bad.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
> devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
> to, or the mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
> upgrades.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, very good question.

You probably your self don’t have the tools any more to work on Apple hardware. 
 They wave solder the hardware right to the boards now so where you used to 
have memory slots and removable drives you now just have a PC board with 
everything hard wired.  You can however take it to an Apple repair tech and 
they can handle replacing parts.  You’ll probably pay more because they will 
have to replace a full board instead of just a component.  More importantly, 
you’ll have to pay the Apple prices for upgrades and have to pay them up front 
instead of upgrade the machine later.  Older Apple products do not have this 
restriction.  For an example, I upgraded a 2011 Macbook Pro with 32 GB of RAM 
(something Apple won’t even offer) and a TB, faster SSD disk for about $450 
total instead of over 2000 if Apple provided the parts.  Apple will only sell 
you 16GB as well and the SSD they use is a bit slower.

It’s all about the Benjamins baby.  (as the song says)

One good thing though about the design, there’s a lot fewer things to break.  A 
memory module or CPU will probably not fail.  The most likely thing in the box 
to fail is the fan or the power supply.  An apple tech or of course Apple 
themselves will service your machine just fine though.

Also, in many cities, Boston being one, you can call a service and they come to 
you and do the work.  My coworker broke his iPhone screen and a guy showed up 
in a company smart car and did a screen replacement for him right on the cafe 
table down stairs in our lobby.  Great service, decent price point and 
convenient as all get out. They service Apple laptops and Desktops the same way.

Good luck


Closed just means you pay the Apple money and can’t provide your own parts.  
(easily)

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the Apple 
> store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know I 
> would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went bad.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
> as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the 
> mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Simon, I think it’s even worse now.  I believe in many cases they have replaced 
the screws with hex nuts and or special proprietary fasteners so you need to 
buy the $400 Apple tool to crack the box open.  (or a $17 chinese knockoff tool 
like I bought heh)

Stuff is so packed inside the Apple laptops and iMac, you’re so right there.  I 
had to have a girl with really small hands pop in the memory module because my 
fat fingers couldn’t make it work.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
> as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the 
> mac mini like you could before, 
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram 
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
 gig
 of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
 about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Makes no difference at all what you replace the existing drive with as long as 
it has the correct interface.  Apple, at least in all the units I’ve popped 
open uses a standard spec drive interface with a normal pin out.  I believe 
it’s all SATA.  Just buy an SSD with the same interface and you’re good to go.  
I like Crucial drives which are Mikron produced and very very high quality.  
Also a fraction of the cost of Apple with better read and write performance.  
Fusion is another option but I wouldn’t bother.  SSD’s performance is so good I 
don’t see the point of hybrids.

I have a client who has 4.5 petabytes of SSD storage in a filer and uses it to 
produce popular films including a series with a certain talking Donkey and the 
performance and reliability is just unsurpassed.  It was actually the profits 
from Shrek that funded the purchase of the filer.

If you’re doing any sort of recording or video editing, forget anything with 
rotating media, it’s just to slow and you’ll be fighting with it.  The filer I 
speak of I personally saw handle thousands of clients all rendering and 
editing.  Most clients were connected at 10G or greater and all that continued 
access and hammering would have leveled anything with rotating media.  Speeds 
are 45 times faster with a good SSD over anything that rotates.  Even fusion 
drives with whopper sized caches.
While you may not have a billion dollars for a drive array, you would 
get a huge boost in your home applications by migrating to SSD and it’s cheap, 
$300 or so for a TB.

Good luck


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> Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
> support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked 
> platter drive?
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM
>> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Arnold,
>> 
>> That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.
>> 
>> As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram 
>> and you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.
>> 
>> I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
>> same with my current mac mini from 2012.
>> 
>> Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.
>> 
>> Good luck with it
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>  ] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want 
>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

So officially supported by apple is 16 gb but I have a 2011 Macbook Pro with 32 
no problem.  Fits in the same slots and OS X addresses all the memory nicely.


Great with virtual machines.  You can assign each one a gig more and let them 
run just about as well as if they were natively.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.

You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.

Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
> ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
> $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>  
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Andy, no worries here.  You can get a spec case that the air fits in, sort of 
like the life proof cases for iPhones or other hardened shells and your air 
will take that beer like a pro.:)

And I envy you for your thriving pub scene and an environment where you feel 
safe enough to leave your air while you make room for more beer.:)  If someone 
should happen to make off with your air though there are features in the Apple 
that allow it to be tracked, it’s called find my mac.  When I lived out in 
California someone close to me had a laptop stolen and we were able to find it 
on a map as well as use the camera to snap a picture of the user and I won’t 
get in to a lot of detail here but we retrieved the laptop along with some um 
compensation for their thievery.

Costs for such cases are low on Amazon.

Good luck as always

If I ever get to Scotland, beers on me and I’ll take some of that 22 year old 
single malt if it’s available.:) 


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim.
> 
> Funny, I never considered the possibility of spilling my beer!  I've been 
> more concerned about how it would look when I took my Macbookk Air to the 
> toilet.  Do you think that all of my friends in the pub will think that I 
> don't trust them and that they may lift my computer while I was away from my 
> table?  It's a thought!
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That's a good savings Andy.  Just be careful not to spill your beer onto your 
> macBook Air while in the Pub.  Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max and all.
> 
> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
> 
> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I can 
> carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of 
> beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm buying a 
> refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already been told 
> that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand new Macbook 
> Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new 
> computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS 
> and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an 
> almost new computer.
> 
> I thought it was worth considering this option.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant mor

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Very good points, bump up that processor too if you want to hold on to it for a 
long time.  Pretty good gain for only a $150 or $300 bump in price.  Especially 
if it’s going to last you a long time.  Good philosophy..


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:47 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> i just have to remind myself of two things. one, when i buy not to skimp on 
> ram and hard drive because I will have it longer than most people keep 
> theirs. and that at least I don't have to pay freedom scientific or some 
> other company for third party speech software. later, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I do realize that there is both WiFi and Lightning storage, my thoughts 
>> though were whether there may be something in the future that works with iOS 
>> for external storage.  Maybe there is and I'm out of the loop, but I haven't 
>> noticed it.  With respect to pricing, I'm only quoting Canadian pricing from 
>> apple.ca  where a 13" MacBook Air with 256 GB Flash 
>> storage and 8 GB RAM goes for $1449 CAD and a 13" MacBook Pro with 256 GB 
>> storage and 8 GB RAM goes for $1799 CAD.  Note that the Pro has a faster, 
>> more powerful processor, Retina Display, Force-Touch Trackpad and more.  So, 
>> you are getting more computer for the extra expenditure.  Each of these are 
>> upgradable with more RAM, more storage etc.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:15, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the record. 
>> As to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina MacBook last year, 
>> including only one port aside from the headphone jack. This suggests less 
>> expansion, not more, especially on their mobile products. I, too, have no 
>> special knowledge or anything, but I can't imagine them allowing expansion 
>> slots to take up space.
>> 
>> The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends heavily 
>> on what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose, though. I find 
>> the Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building different Macs to 
>> look at their prices, though you can, of course, do that on apple.com 
>>  too.
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
>>> be. Thanks, Max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Max,
 
 Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
 fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
 believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
 not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
 seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
 someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions 
 that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible 
 from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what 
 you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
 So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
 ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
 probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
 this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
 storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
 having that option would be nice. thanks, max 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
> take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
> iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
> will be a 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price.  I hope you enjoy it.

Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I think 
it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply.  I sell my 
gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new model.  Apple 
especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so every year I go 
through new laptops and phones especially.  There’s a 2016 refresh going on 
now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the new chipsets and 
upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last years in exchange for 
this years latest and greatest.  Being a sharp shopper I think you’re making a 
good move getting a lot for your money by buying the previous version.
 

I hope you have a good time with your training.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max and all.
> 
> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
> 
> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I can 
> carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of 
> beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm buying a 
> refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already been told 
> that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand new Macbook 
> Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new 
> computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS 
> and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an 
> almost new computer.
> 
> I thought it was worth considering this option.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more 
>>> for the everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would 
>>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive 
>>> model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way 
>>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they 
>>> become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting 
>>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO 
>>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or 
>>> Desktop unit.
>>> 
>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make 
>>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usef

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  Google 
is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had their way 
these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not a huge fan of 
SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know others feel 
differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of the need 
for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, 
> I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 
> because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably 
> go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means 
> future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now 
> we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option 
> would be nice. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>> 
>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>>> 
>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering 
network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense 
applications.  Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to 
look over his shoulder.  So there are some applications where a blind person 
who you might not think has any need for a screen does.  Maybe not for direct 
use but there can be other benefits.

It’s all about the use cases I guess.
 

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with 
> all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a 
> better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. 
>  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do 
> it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very 
> nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the 
> future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most 
> everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option 
> as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
> 
> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
> in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
> book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
> the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
> much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
> player instead. what do you think? Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>> 
>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
>> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools for 
the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.

The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera and 
wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do a lot of 
other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra 
horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular internet 
access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  Also more 
portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video 
plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and 
executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely from 
anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences.  Either device will 
treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want as 
> much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the air 
> than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch 
> might be what I need. thanks, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>>  
>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
>> storage
>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>  
>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
>> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>  
>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
>> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>  
>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>> And a great battery life
>>  
>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
>> sizes,
>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>  
>> As do the prices.
>>  
>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
>> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
>> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching 
>> tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>  
>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>  
>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>>  
>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
>> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>  
>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
>> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
>> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>>  
>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
>> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
>> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
>> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
>> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. 
>> Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. 
>> The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I 
>> already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, 
>> what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) 
>> iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :)
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>> 
>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>> I miss something obvious?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Arnold Schmidt]

I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


  Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.


  You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.


  Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  




On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:


It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

SSD is your only option now on any of the Apple Laptops I believe that are 2013 
and newer.  Also, the DVD drive thankfully is long gone.  You also get AC 
networking so nice and zippy on the wireless side.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:43 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models 
>> Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more 
>> to them than the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it 
>> wasn't great for quad speakers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
>>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

The airs have already received such an upgrade this year.

Not positive on the pro if that’s happened yet but it’s eminent.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce 
> a new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At 
> that time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older 
> ones (what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't 
> be updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're 
> thinking of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes.
> 
> I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind 
> user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, 
> certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in 
> the larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a 
> good deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described 
> the differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, 
> see my guide to all of Apple's Mac computers:
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Max,
>>  
>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
>> storage
>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>  
>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
>> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>  
>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
>> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>  
>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>> And a great battery life
>>  
>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
>> sizes,
>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>  
>> As do the prices.
>>  
>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
>> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
>> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching 
>> tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>  
>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>  
>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>>  
>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
>> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>  
>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
>> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
>> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>>  
>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
>> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
>> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
>> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
>> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. 
>> Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. 
>> The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I 
>> already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, 
>> what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) 
>> iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :)
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>> 
>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>> I miss something obvious?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Arnold Schmidt]

I looked and looked on that refurbished list for a Mac Mini before I bought 
the new one, which I took back.  There never were any.  I wonder if the one 
I took back will now appear on that list, now that I have ordered the used 
one?  I don't think I will look, I don't need to know.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price.  I hope you enjoy it.

Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I 
think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply.  I 
sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new 
model.  Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so 
every year I go through new laptops and phones especially.  There’s a 2016 
refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive 
the new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are 
last years in exchange for this years latest and greatest.  Being a sharp 
shopper I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by 
buying the previous version.



I hope you have a good time with your training.


On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy  wrote:

Hi Max and all.

Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.

I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A 
brand new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have 
so many almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers 
freek out at the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of 
£175.00 I'd be getting an almost new computer.


I thought it was worth considering this option.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?


Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
be. Thanks, Max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi Max,

Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim 
and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I 
don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their 
radar.  I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most 
others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. 
Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable 
storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning 
technology accessible from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or 
Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air would be less 
expensive.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I 
would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you 
think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
having that option would be nice. thanks, max

On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, 
and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but 
it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything 
on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as 
well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.


So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Ai

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.

Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if 
> not before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the 
> moment.  I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard 
> drive when the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this 
> vista computer, from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard 
> drive.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.
>> 
>> You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
>> more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
>> could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now 
>> and then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with 
>> your high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw 
>> to much at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB 
>> drive, slap it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on 
>> funds SSD in the Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe 
>> there’s a  second bay if you want to have both internal.
>> 
>> Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got 
>> a powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to 
>> learn on for small dollars.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want 
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
>>>  
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>  
>>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
> Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had 
> their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not a 
> huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know others 
> feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of 
> the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more 
>>> for the everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would 
>>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive 
>>> model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way 
>>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they 
>>> become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting 
>>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO 
>>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or 
>>> Desktop unit.
>>> 
>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will 
>>> make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
 The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
 
 The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
 
 It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
 Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
 requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
 But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
 receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
 though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
 keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
 Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
 
 Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He 
 was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the 
 blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you 
 need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could 
 only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? 
 Thanks, Max 
 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

i hear you; i occasionally need sighted help and they expect large high 
resolution monitors 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering 
> network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense 
> applications.  Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to 
> look over his shoulder.  So there are some applications where a blind person 
> who you might not think has any need for a screen does.  Maybe not for direct 
> use but there can be other benefits.
> 
> It’s all about the use cases I guess.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>> 
>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>>> 
>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Hahaha Arnold, good question.  Being it was less than 14 days  or in that range 
I bet it just gets a new set of packing material and is sold new.  I wouldn’t 
set it though, you’re making a great move and a good financial move as well, 
save that money and the headache of new and take your time and enjoy the 
process.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I looked and looked on that refurbished list for a Mac Mini before I bought 
> the new one, which I took back.  There never were any.  I wonder if the one I 
> took back will now appear on that list, now that I have ordered the used one? 
>  I don't think I will look, I don't need to know.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price.  I hope you enjoy it.
> 
> Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I 
> think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply.  I 
> sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new 
> model.  Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so 
> every year I go through new laptops and phones especially.  There’s a 2016 
> refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the 
> new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last 
> years in exchange for this years latest and greatest.  Being a sharp shopper 
> I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by buying the 
> previous version.
> 
> 
> I hope you have a good time with your training.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Max and all.
>> 
>> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
>> 
>> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
>> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
>> can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
>> of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
>> buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
>> been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
>> new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
>> almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
>> the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
>> getting an almost new computer.
>> 
>> I thought it was worth considering this option.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
>> be. Thanks, Max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Max,
>>> 
>>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that 
>>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're 
>>> hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
 DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
 Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
 you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
 displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
 powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
 and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
 machine, meant mo

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live events 
through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face time and 
zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have enough horse 
power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 4 gb of ram and 
passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive at the time. 
Thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools 
> for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.
> 
> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera and 
> wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do a lot 
> of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra 
> horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular internet 
> access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  Also more 
> portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video 
> plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and 
> executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely 
> from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences.  Either device 
> will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
>> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want 
>> as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the 
>> air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch 
>> might be what I need. thanks, Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Max,
>>>  
>>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
>>> storage
>>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>>  
>>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
>>> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>>  
>>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has 
>>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>>  
>>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>>> And a great battery life
>>>  
>>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
>>> sizes,
>>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>>  
>>> As do the prices.
>>>  
>>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
>>> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it 
>>> when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m 
>>> watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>>  
>>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>>  
>>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>>>  
>>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
>>> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>>  
>>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
>>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
>>> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
>>> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>>>  
>>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
>>> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch 
>>> MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need 
>>> Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an 
>>> iPad Pro, but I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on 
>>> both. Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good 
>>> MacBook. The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an 
>>> iPad if I already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and 
>>> battery, what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more 
>>> portable) iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :)
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Don’t be Max, there’s nothing to be afraid of if you use a reputable provider.  
Apple, Google, Amazon, very good options and very security conscious companies.

I just traveled for example and left everything in the cloud.  Granted, I 
stayed with in the US so your area may differ but I never felt separated from 
my data or felt at a disadvantage, having everything remote was so convenient. 
I even had WiFi on the plane so was never isolated from my content even in the 
air.  I realize others may not have the inflight unlimited internet option but 
you can download what you need for the flight.  Cloud is good if done well.

Maybe it’s being an old mainframe user that got me used to having my stuff 
elsewhere.  My how we have come full circle.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:49 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
> thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
>> Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had 
>> their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not a 
>> huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know others 
>> feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of 
>> the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
 DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
 Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
 you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
 displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
 powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
 and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
 machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
 that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take 
 the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS 
 is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be 
 a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS 
 device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
 keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can 
 be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
 
 So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
 power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
 will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
 least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This 
 will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
 usefulness.
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
 all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
 with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
 pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
 do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
 drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
> 
> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
> 
> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending 
> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still 
> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case 
> with keyboard which will halve t

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so any 
of the laptops will treat you well.  That rotating drive is probably the 
slowest part of your machine.  Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new laptop 
has taken it’s place.

With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and tricky 
stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is less 
critical.  What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live 
> events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face time 
> and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have enough 
> horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 4 gb of 
> ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive at the 
> time. Thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools 
>> for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.
>> 
>> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera 
>> and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do a 
>> lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra 
>> horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular internet 
>> access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  Also more 
>> portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video 
>> plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and 
>> executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely 
>> from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences.  Either device 
>> will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
>>> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want 
>>> as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the 
>>> air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 
>>> inch might be what I need. thanks, Max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Max,
  
 The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
 With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
 Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
 storage
   And up to 8gb ram.
  
 Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
 only have sertain machines as general builds.
  
 The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has 
 the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
  
 They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
 And a great battery life
  
 The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
 sizes,
  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
  
 As do the prices.
  
 I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 
 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of 
 it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m 
 watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
  
 The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
  
 The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
  
 Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as 
 I said it depends on your kind of usage.
  
  
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 Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
  
 i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
 differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
 
 The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
 which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
 the expansion ports of a Mac.
  
 As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
 keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch 
 MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need 
 Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used 
 an i

Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Pardon the off topic but a blind RN, that’s pretty cool!  I don’t know why of 
anyone it shouldn’t but there are some jobs that I hear of blind people doing 
that surprise me.  RN is one but I mean that in a supportive good way I’m not 
sure how you do it but I’m glad you figured a way. A blind furniture maker was 
another one that surprised the heck out of me, engine rebuilder was another but 
I sort of get that having worked on cars myself.

Thank you for sharing what profession you’re in you’ve expanded my horizons a 
little.


Sorry for the topic distraction it just impressed me.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
> know a thing or two.
> I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
> games like lone woolf.
> That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
> nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
> Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
> gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)
> 
> On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
>> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
>> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
>> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
>> 
>> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
>> reader.
>> 
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Eloquence is all about speed.  It may be highly mechanical but it’s easy to 
pick out with the speed accelerated.  Also doesn’t lag in spots as much as the 
more natural sounding voices constructed from samples.  That’s the big 
difference for me.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't use Windows much at all.  Probably once a month or so for Server 
> stuff, and that's it.  Not sure why people love Eloquence so much either.  
> I've heard others praise its glories, but I've never found it pleasant 
> myself.  I guess to each their own.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:52, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
> know a thing or two.
> I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
> games like lone woolf.
> That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
> nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
> Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
> gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)
> 
> On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
>> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
>> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
>> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
>> 
>> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
>> reader.
>> 
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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[Scott Granados]

Arnold, to let you know from my angle I started out as a windows user on the PC 
side and in about 2008 migrated to the Mac.  For me I’ve been able to move all 
my functions away from windows.  Most things I hear that people have issue with 
are OCR reading or other very specialized adaptive software like braille 
translation.  Also I know some industries like Insurance have mainly windows 
based tools.  So professionally you may not have a choice.  I just passed on a 
job that required the use of windows by the end user.  I have no desire to 
fight the virtual desktop battle just to do something I can do better and 
faster for my needs anyway with a Mac. So that’s the long way of saying I bet 
you could switch over entirely especially if you’re already to think laterally 
when you hit an issue like your example of using a KNFB reader.  Also remember 
if you do have the desire to run windows you can do so on your Mac with VM 
Fusion while OS X is running or using bootcamp you could boot in to windows if 
you needed to.  The fusion method is the one I find most preferable.  So lucky 
for you with a good Mac you have the best of both worlds available in one box.

Good luck.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now 
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply 
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user 
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something doesn't 
> work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced 
> users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the 
> Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds 
> as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a word processing 
> app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB 
> reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any 
> opinions.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>  
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.

Public being the key word here.

Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are strictly 
> forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta testing of 
> IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well as the public beta.  
> Bear in mind that the public beta is public strictly in the sence that the 
> public has access to it without paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion 
> of findings is strictly forbidden.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List folks,
>>  
>> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
>> beta release.
>>  
>> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
>> 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
>>  
>> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after 
>> updating.
>>  
>> But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in 
>> the touch sensor.
>>  
>> Cheers for any information.
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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Cheap solution to this whole problem… Paper plates.

Paper plates are the best or really plastic laminated paper plates.:)

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon.
>  
> I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
> cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
> me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, 
> just to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!
>  
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
>> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Andy,
>>  
>> Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Andy
>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>  
>> Hi Arnold.
>>  
>> I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?   
>>  I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  
>> That's the way I like it!
>>  
>> I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
>> every new experience and see this learning experience as an important 
>> milestone in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it 
>> aint!
>>  
>>  
>> I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
>> of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm 
>> a happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
>> importantly, I'll enjoy it!
>>  
>> Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
>> different!
>>  
>> Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Katie Zodrow 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>>  
>>> Hi Arnold.
>>> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
>>> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
>>> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
>>> Katie
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, 
 I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one 
 back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
  
 Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon Fogarty 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi arnld,
> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the 
> apple os.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough 
> struggles. My information that I would like you to have been say is below 
> in my signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret 
> getting it. I will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now 
> that I couldn't work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is 
> not just for Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac 
> still free to use interviews my information in my signature as well as 
> you wish.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
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> Skype
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>> On Jul 6, 201

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Simon, you want to look towards the unix tools for this type of thing.  the 
Open LDAP stuff along with SMB4 aught to be able to help here.  Aught to be 
able to edit LDAP Schema that way with the Open LDAP browser etc.  I try to 
stay away from this windows stuff but I’ve seen a lot recently for complete 
domain controller replacements with Linux and interaction with the databases 
etc.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sandy mark and others,
> 
> Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.
> 
> As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
> ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.
> 
>  But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os vms 
> which you can't do on a windows machine,
>  The mac os and voiceover allow for the same usage of the touch pad on a 
> notebook such as my mac book air to be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.
> 
>  What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
> mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
> inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing 
> users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group 
> policies in some OU's for the organisation.
> 
> But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.
> 
> Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
> domain inferstructure?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin Kruse
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out what 
> do people need, and take it from there.
> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
> windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write write. 
> it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid questions are 
> the once not asked.
> Sandi
> 
> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Arnold,
>> 
>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
>> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac 
>> journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I 
>> found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely 
>> frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with Jaws for 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
>> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
>> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of 
>> frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
>> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
>> exploration, itself.
>> 
>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
>> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
>> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
>> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
>> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
>> comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It 
>> never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent 
>> beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
>> 
>> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking 
>> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the 
>> feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, 
>> reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>> 
>> But I digress.
>> 
>> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local 
>> Mac store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my 
>> primary motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and 
>> tired of Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and 
>> low vision users--especially given that they had proven that it could 
>> be done and that it could be done well.
>> 
>> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of 
>> many, the Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>> 
>> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, 
>> etc are all marvelous accessibility tools.
>> 
>> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows 
>> and Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need 
>> to choose one over the other.
>> 
>> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be 
>> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when 
>> you need to know it.  That's jus

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Mark, I’m fuming reading this.  Microsoft removed such an option and it really 
worked?  Do you know how many blind technologists that limitation makes their 
jobs difficult?  I suspect you do that’s probably one of the reasons you found 
that upsetting like I do.

I also did not know this feature existed.  Thank you for pointing it out.  I 
have yet another reason to not like Microsoft.  I too think that security 
response is just laughable.  Since when has Microsoft given a you know what 
about security?  Sounds like a bogus response to me. Something to shut you up 
because who wants to mess with security. Sometimes i wish Redmond would just 
fall in to the sea and do us all a favor.

Ah well,

BTW +1 on the rest of your comments, very well said.


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:38 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Arnold,
> 
> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  Because, you 
> remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac journey.  This is 
> to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I found that learning how 
> to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely frustrating, at first--especially 
> given my then expertise with Jaws for Windows.
> 
> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they merely 
> wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to themselves that 
> they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of frustration with the 
> status quo.  My point is that, why, one does something can, in many instances 
> directly affect the outcome of the exploration, itself.
> 
> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac because I was 
> completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering that they deliberately 
> removed the self-voicing installation feature that shipped with the first 
> beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy of that particular beta which, via 
> Narrator, offered a flawlessly comprehensive installation experience for a 
> totally blind user.  It never crossed my mind that they would pull that 
> feature in subsequent beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
> 
> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking heads, 
> up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the feature as a 
> result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, reliving the experience 
> in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
> 
> But I digress.
> 
> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local Mac store 
> and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my primary 
> motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and tired of Microsoft 
> restricting installation access to its blind and low vision users--especially 
> given that they had proven that it could be done and that it could be done 
> well.
> 
> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of many, the 
> Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
> 
> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, etc are 
> all marvelous accessibility tools.
> 
> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows and 
> Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need to choose 
> one over the other.
> 
> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be 
> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when you need 
> to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from 
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000, 
> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what I 
> want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c 
> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I 
> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and 
> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a 
> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned 
> to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That is a 
> pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't 
> have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes, than in 
> windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to work 40 
> hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner.
> This was one of my vacation weeks.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

well i took the first step this week. I added my mail accounts to my iPhone. I 
am using imap so whatever mail is deleted from one vanishes from the other. If 
i understand imap correctly. just wish i could get my plantronic blue tooth ear 
piece to sink. for some reason iPhone just doesn't see it. thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Don’t be Max, there’s nothing to be afraid of if you use a reputable 
> provider.  Apple, Google, Amazon, very good options and very security 
> conscious companies.
> 
> I just traveled for example and left everything in the cloud.  Granted, I 
> stayed with in the US so your area may differ but I never felt separated from 
> my data or felt at a disadvantage, having everything remote was so 
> convenient. I even had WiFi on the plane so was never isolated from my 
> content even in the air.  I realize others may not have the inflight 
> unlimited internet option but you can download what you need for the flight.  
> Cloud is good if done well.
> 
> Maybe it’s being an old mainframe user that got me used to having my stuff 
> elsewhere.  My how we have come full circle.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:49 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
>> thanks, max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
>>> Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had 
>>> their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not 
>>> a huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know 
>>> others feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also 
>>> because of the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
 So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
 ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
 probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
 this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
 storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
 having that option would be nice. thanks, max 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
> take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
> iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
> will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an 
> iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
> keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what 
> can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
> 
> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
> a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
> will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  
> This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
> usefulness.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
> with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
> pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>> 
>> It's got everything 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

sounds like whether i go air or pro I'll be okay. hadn't thought about just 
swapping the hard drive. h this one is over four years old so I do think 
its time for a new one. thanks, max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so 
> any of the laptops will treat you well.  That rotating drive is probably the 
> slowest part of your machine.  Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new 
> laptop has taken it’s place.
> 
> With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and 
> tricky stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is less 
> critical.  What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live 
>> events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face 
>> time and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have 
>> enough horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 
>> 4 gb of ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive 
>> at the time. Thanks, max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools 
>>> for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.
>>> 
>>> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera 
>>> and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do 
>>> a lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that 
>>> extra horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular 
>>> internet access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  
>>> Also more portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for 
>>> pure video plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular 
>>> modem and executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and 
>>> securely from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences.  
>>> Either device will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to 
>>> do with it.
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
 online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want 
 as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the 
 air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 
 inch might be what I need. thanks, Max 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
> Hi Max,
>  
> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE 
> flash storage
>   And up to 8gb ram.
>  
> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>  
> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has 
> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>  
> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
> And a great battery life
>  
> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
> sizes,
>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>  
> As do the prices.
>  
> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 
> 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out 
> of it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless 
> I’m watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>  
> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>  
> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in 
> weight.
>  
> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as 
> I said it depends on your kind of usage.
>  
>  
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>  
> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
> 
> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it 
> lacks the expansion ports of a Mac.
>  
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks 
> many keyboard sh

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Kawal, very well stated.

Only thing I’d say and it’s not so much apple related but more life related, I 
know it may be easy to say but don’t fear failure.  Treat failure like another 
data point.  The very successful fail a lot they just adjust, move on and take 
another swing.  Use that failure to add to your experience.  

I’ve started a bunch of businesses, guess what, the first few failed wildly.  I 
had a mentor at one point who told me that I should expect that my first at 
least 3 businesses would eventually fail but each attempt would grow easier 
from experience.  I know it’s easy to get down and have failure work against 
you and rob you of confidence but just remember, emotion especially in business 
but really in all things is just a result.  Go ahead and fail but study why you 
failed, learn from it, thank the process and move on.  Failure can be a better 
teacher than success almost always.

Keep on failing because eventually you’ll succeed.  The Bard put it much better 
than I did but it’s true.
 
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Just been reading this thread with interest as I rarely post to this list due 
> to time etc.
> 
> 
> I like the last person who said, that they would learn the Mac slowly and not 
> hurry.  If you all think of it this way.
> 
> Learning something new takes time and it’s like learning a new musical 
> instrument.
> 
> Two years ago, I started learning the flute.  For me that has been a 
> demanding instrument and last year as I felt I was getting no where, I 
> thought about giving it up.  I was really depressed as that made me feel that 
> I was a failure.  However, I told myself that giving this up would be a 
> failure as I had invested in getting a flute.  So this year, I’m much better 
> at it and am now going to work towards my Grade 3 examination.
> 
> I’ve been using the Mac since 2010 and for a week, I had a dear friend who 
> was patient.  He taught me the basics and I learnt in a week the mac basics.
> 
> These days I’m no expert and there are lots of things I don’t know about the 
> Mac.  However it doesn’t bother me that I’m no expert because whilst I’m a 
> Window user at work, at home I use the Mac and slowly I pick things up.  I 
> use to get upset if I couldn’t work something but the older I get, I don’t 
> let things bother me so much.
> 
> The worst happened to me two years ago and my life was almost ruined.  
> Nothing can hurt me now as I won’t let it and as long as I can work the Mac 
> to get on the Internet as that is my main priority, nothing really matters.  
> I know enough to sort out my internet needs as I live alone  and have a few 
> friends who will help me if I can’t do something.  I am much better on the 
> Macs these days.  I was going to use Windows on VM and although I have an 
> up-to-date VM, I’ve not installed windows.  I like it that whilst at home, I 
> exclusively use the Mac and at work I need to use Windows.  But I’m not so 
> good with jaws anymore but as long as I can do my day job, nothing really 
> worries me.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 20:56, Andy > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Arnold.
>>  
>> I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?   
>>  I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  
>> That's the way I like it!
>>  
>> I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
>> every new experience and see this learning experience as an important 
>> milestone in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it 
>> aint!
>>  
>>  
>> I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
>> of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm 
>> a happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
>> importantly, I'll enjoy it!
>>  
>> Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
>> different!
>>  
>> Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Katie Zodrow 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> Hi Arnold.
>>> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
>>> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
>>> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
>>> Katie
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, 
 I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one 
 back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
  
 Arnold Schm

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, good man, I like your sticktuitiveness to use an over used business 
made up word.:)

I’m sorry if my initial response was overly harsh I was just responding to what 
I saw and being completely honest which especially with the lack of tone in 
emails can come off really the wrong way.

No matter what you do you know what’s best for you.  I’m glad you re going to 
give it another shot and you’re in the right place to get the help you need.  I 
absolutely wish you nothing but success and do keep posting your impressions 
and questions.  Also don’t take anything I say personally, I can be overly 
direct but I do have respect for you especially now with your desire to keep on 
slugging away and I do know the complexity of the undertaking you’re involved 
with.

Good luck!
 

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I 
> am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back 
> the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
>> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Hi arnld,
>>  
>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>>  
>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple 
>> os.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>  
>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
>> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. 
>> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my 
>> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I 
>> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't 
>> work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for 
>> Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use 
>> interviews my information in my signature as well as you wish.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>>  
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>  
>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two 
>>> weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after 
>>> all yesterday, which was my last day to return it.  
>>>  
>>> To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't 
>>> getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would turn 
>>> it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that I 
>>> thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more 
>>> frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in 
>>> Windows, or on my iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real 
>>> benefit to me?  ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being able to install 
>>> the OS myself.  
>>>  
>>> Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending 
>>> to put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit 
>>> trip to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel.  
>>> So, I decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet.  
>>> I successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but 
>>> then, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to read the security 
>>> question it wanted answered.  No problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go on 
>>> this Mac mini.  I could tell  the location for the answer field, I could 
>>> find what should have been the question field, it just wouldn't read 
>>> anything.  I typed in the answer to one of my security questions, which, of 
>>> course, was the wrong answer for the question it was asking.  I am sure the 
>>> inability to get it to read the security question was mine, not the Mac 
>>> Mini's .  So, I closed Safari, then decided to turn on keyboard help, just 
>>> to try differing combinations of keys I had never tried before to see what 
>>> it would say.  I was trying the function keys, and hit a key at th

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, you make two very good points.

Learning a new OS is very much like learning a new language.  I am a believer 
of full emersion for languages so take that or leave it but if I were to do it 
again I would do what I did and just force myself to use it much like moving to 
Spain and being forced to speak Spanish.

Also, lucky for me learning the mac was work justifiable so I could use some of 
that paid time to do the transition.  I can appreciate how much of a blessing 
that was in my case.  You do your long work day, come home and then work hard 
at learning a new system.  That’s good ol drive for you.  I like that.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from 
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000, 
> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what I 
> want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c 
> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I 
> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and 
> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a 
> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned 
> to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That is a 
> pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't 
> have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes, than in 
> windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to work 40 
> hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner. This was one of 
> my vacation weeks.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> 
> I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself
> in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
> Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found
> myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT
> professional for thirty years, working all that time in the windows
> environment, still I found the learning curve extremely daunting.
> 
> I've read this thread with great interest and I think the many
> comments about total immersion while learning may have been the root
> of my own failure with the Mac. Because I became frustrated in my
> attempts to accomplish the simplest of tasks (like reading and
> answering email), I frequently switched back to windows to do what I
> needed to do. Consequently I lost whatever ground I had gained in the
> Mac universe.
> 
> This is my rather long way of saying that while installing bootcamp on
> a Mac may seem like no big deal to you (or anyone who is comfortable
> with the Mac), for me that task seems like a mountain the size of
> Everest. I suspect Arnold may feel the same.
> 
> Unlike Arnold I kept my Mac and still return to it from time to time.
> I've been a devoted Apple user on the mobile platform for several
> years and there is something that brings me back to the Mac again and
> again. It may be just that I don't like to admit failure in the face
> of any technology. I don't really know. About the only method I
> haven't tried is one on one training. That may be my next (and
> possibly final) step.
> 
> Kimber
> 
> On 7/7/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi arnld,
>> 
>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>> 
>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple
>> os.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free
>> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles.
>> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my
>> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I
>> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't
>> work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for
>> Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use
>> interviews my information in my signature as well as you wish.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt
>> mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wand to thank everyone for the hel

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Something freezing for 10 minutes is just wrong.  It’s not acceptable anywhere 
so you know something is gravely wrong with that specific setup.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Mine is connected to a 40 inch TV with HDMI cable.   The keyboard freezing 
> would last up to 10 minutes  that sort of behaviour is just not acceptable 
> especially when we pay so much for these devices. 
> 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 13:03, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> if you are on a mini, with no monitor connected, it is normal
>> behavior. mine does this sometimes as well.
>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini
>>> replaced and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store
>>> yesterday but I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a
>>> replacement and It’s been working well since I had set it up again yesterday
>>> evening. I’m learning commands because I’m using programs like the mail
>>> client everyday and Ive been making mental notes of them as well. I don’t
>>> know whether you can install software from the internet without risking
>>> infecting the OS with a virus but I did download RS Games which was very
>>> buggy and Skype and my theory is that may have been the cause of the
>>> keyboard freezing in edit boxes periodically.  I’m not ever going  to
>>> download anything from the internet again. If I want to listen to an audio
>>> file! I will stream it on another device.
 On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 
 I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider
 them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever
 bought. I wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac
 another attempt in the future.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth"
 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
 
 
 I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you
 can spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being
 tied to any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod
 Touch 4th Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone
 4. To date, I have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini
 2. I have other Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for
 now. I would highly recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before
 trying an iPhone. Just my £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility,
> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
> 
> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem
> to get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because
> they just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By
> then, they have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big
> cancellation fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money
> invested in something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto
> eventually.   By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday,
> but I think I should have been getting it, a little more than I was by
> the deadline. I am not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will
> have to be some kind of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel
> confident that I am going to get it.  I wish Apple had given me more
> time.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system
>> in 2 weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even
>> undertake such a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have
>> 35 years of computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong
>> mindset. I remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.
>> It’s like learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just
>> in dribs and drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I
>> were learning French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of
>> the country where i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When
>> you decide to learn a new operating system you have to cut your self off
>> from the old. You have to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard
>> commands.  I’d say 10 to 1 you kept issuing windows type keyboard
>> commands on the Mac and introducing problems not for anything you are
>>

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

I don’t think you have to be that careful although you may be right in your 
source of the issue.

Stick to the app store, that’s pretty good and reputable sites.  Downloading is 
ok just make sure you know what you’re downloading or if you’re unsure do what 
you’re doing and stick to the app store.  Sounds like you’re making good 
progress.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini replaced 
> and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store yesterday 
> but I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a replacement 
> and It’s been working well since I had set it up again yesterday evening. I’m 
> learning commands because I’m using programs like the mail client everyday 
> and Ive been making mental notes of them as well. I don’t know whether you 
> can install software from the internet without risking infecting the OS with 
> a virus but I did download RS Games which was very buggy and Skype and my 
> theory is that may have been the cause of the keyboard freezing in edit boxes 
> periodically.  I’m not ever going  to download anything from the internet 
> again. If I want to listen to an audio file! I will stream it on another 
> device. 
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider 
>> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever bought. 
>> I wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac another 
>> attempt in the future.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> 
>> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you can 
>> spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being tied to 
>> any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod Touch 4th 
>> Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone 4. To date, 
>> I have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. I have other 
>> Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for now. I would highly 
>> recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before trying an iPhone. Just my 
>> £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility, 
>>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>>> 
>>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem to 
>>> get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because they 
>>> just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By then, they 
>>> have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big cancellation 
>>> fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money invested in 
>>> something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto eventually.   
>>> By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday, but I think I 
>>> should have been getting it, a little more than I was by the deadline. I am 
>>> not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will have to be some kind 
>>> of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel confident that I am going to 
>>> get it.  I wish Apple had given me more time.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
 Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
 
 Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system in 
 2 weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even undertake 
 such a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have 35 years of 
 computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong mindset. I 
 remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.  It’s like 
 learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just in dribs and 
 drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I were learning 
 French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of the country where 
 i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When you decide to learn a 
 new operating system you have to cut your self off from the old. You have 
 to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard commands.  I’d say 10 to 1 
 you kept issuing windows type keyboard commands on the Mac and introducing 
 problems not for anything you are doing wrong just because you’re new and 
 have built up years of muscle memory for commands in Windows.
 You also didn’t value learning the Mac.  You mentioned several times even 
 in your first post that you wouldn’t gain anything.  So in the end I’m not 
 sure why you bothered.  That’s like walking in to the 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, I would agree with your assessment of the iPhones and phones in general.

I’ve been using cell phones since the analog days but it wasn’t until Mobile 
speak I really used one and I remember how life changing it was to be able to 
text and use the same phone as my sited friends.  You make a very good point.


> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider 
> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever bought. I 
> wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac another attempt 
> in the future.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> 
> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you can 
> spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being tied to 
> any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod Touch 4th 
> Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone 4. To date, I 
> have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. I have other 
> Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for now. I would highly 
> recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before trying an iPhone. Just my 
> £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility, 
>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>> 
>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem to 
>> get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because they 
>> just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By then, they 
>> have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big cancellation 
>> fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money invested in 
>> something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto eventually.   
>> By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday, but I think I 
>> should have been getting it, a little more than I was by the deadline. I am 
>> not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will have to be some kind 
>> of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel confident that I am going to 
>> get it.  I wish Apple had given me more time.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system in 2 
>>> weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even undertake such 
>>> a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have 35 years of 
>>> computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong mindset. I 
>>> remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.  It’s like 
>>> learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just in dribs and 
>>> drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I were learning 
>>> French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of the country where 
>>> i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When you decide to learn a 
>>> new operating system you have to cut your self off from the old. You have 
>>> to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard commands.  I’d say 10 to 1 
>>> you kept issuing windows type keyboard commands on the Mac and introducing 
>>> problems not for anything you are doing wrong just because you’re new and 
>>> have built up years of muscle memory for commands in Windows.
>>> You also didn’t value learning the Mac.  You mentioned several times even 
>>> in your first post that you wouldn’t gain anything.  So in the end I’m not 
>>> sure why you bothered.  That’s like walking in to the job interview, 
>>> telling your self you’re not going to get the job anyway and then living up 
>>> to your expectations.:)  If you ever try this again with any platform don’t 
>>> limit yourself to an unreasonable amount of time.  Maybe try an operating 
>>> system like a Linux variant or something with is totally free out of the 
>>> box, won’t cause any financial pressure and you can dedicate to it with out 
>>> otherdistractions like worrying about the costs. No matter what, good 
>>> job or giving it a crack.  It’s good to push the boundaries and I’m glad 
>>> you gave it a shot.
>>> 
>>> P.S. Stay away from Costco.  They totally screwed that migration from Amex. 
>>>  I canceled my membership because of the sloppy rollout.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2016, at 4:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 
 I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two 
 weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after 
 all yesterday, which was my last 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Which plantronics do you have, I’d be more than happy to help with that.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> well i took the first step this week. I added my mail accounts to my iPhone. 
> I am using imap so whatever mail is deleted from one vanishes from the other. 
> If i understand imap correctly. just wish i could get my plantronic blue 
> tooth ear piece to sink. for some reason iPhone just doesn't see it. thanks, 
> max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Don’t be Max, there’s nothing to be afraid of if you use a reputable 
>> provider.  Apple, Google, Amazon, very good options and very security 
>> conscious companies.
>> 
>> I just traveled for example and left everything in the cloud.  Granted, I 
>> stayed with in the US so your area may differ but I never felt separated 
>> from my data or felt at a disadvantage, having everything remote was so 
>> convenient. I even had WiFi on the plane so was never isolated from my 
>> content even in the air.  I realize others may not have the inflight 
>> unlimited internet option but you can download what you need for the flight. 
>>  Cloud is good if done well.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s being an old mainframe user that got me used to having my stuff 
>> elsewhere.  My how we have come full circle.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:49 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
>>> thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
 Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies 
 had their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, 
 not a huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know 
 others feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also 
 because of the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I 
> would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you 
> think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
> storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
> having that option would be nice. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
>> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
>> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
>> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
>> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
>> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
>> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
>> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
>> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
>> take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, 
>> and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but 
>> it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything 
>> on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as 
>> well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
>> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
>> a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
>> will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
>> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  
>> This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
>> usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll 
>> go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am 
>> staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm 
>> thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, 
>> and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a 
>> little external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? 
>> Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, S

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Max, just back up your data, reformat the drive and reinstall, that in itself 
may make a huge difference for small money.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> sounds like whether i go air or pro I'll be okay. hadn't thought about just 
> swapping the hard drive. h this one is over four years old so I do think 
> its time for a new one. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so 
>> any of the laptops will treat you well.  That rotating drive is probably the 
>> slowest part of your machine.  Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new 
>> laptop has taken it’s place.
>> 
>> With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and 
>> tricky stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is 
>> less critical.  What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live 
>>> events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face 
>>> time and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have 
>>> enough horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 
>>> 4 gb of ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard 
>>> drive at the time. Thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing 
 tools for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.
 
 The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera 
 and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do 
 a lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that 
 extra horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular 
 internet access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  
 Also more portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for 
 pure video plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular 
 modem and executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted 
 and securely from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences. 
  Either device will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to 
 do with it.
 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot 
> of online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I 
> want as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different 
> on the air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book 
> air 13 inch might be what I need. thanks, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>>  
>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE 
>> flash storage
>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>  
>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as 
>> they only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>  
>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has 
>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>  
>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>> And a great battery life
>>  
>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch 
>> screan sizes,
>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>  
>> As do the prices.
>>  
>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 
>> 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out 
>> of it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless 
>> I’m watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>  
>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>  
>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in 
>> weight.
>>  
>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but 
>> as I said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>  
>> i think a 

Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[Scott Granados]

Absolutely good stuff, I use encryption heavily and like seeing others do the 
same.  I use GPG with Apple mail to send and receive encrypted mail as well as 
digitally sign messages, VPN technology to encrypt everything going over the 
network, File Vault for the disks and yes encrypt Time machine which I use a 
network attached storage device as a target.

Good for you for taking an interest in security.  That’s an important topic.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs and 
> encrypting back ups & external drives.
> 
> 5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer
> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-safe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss_tips
>  
> 
> 
> OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer
> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-backups 
> 
> 
> Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have additional or 
> alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff fascinating and useful.  
> Maybe other Mac users will as well.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Traci
> 
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Re: The Mail App

[Scott Granados]

I have definitely seen this issue, especially in mail, with rotating disks 
especially slower 5400 RPM models.  What can happen is the disk can become 
fragmented and while Mac OS is supposed to handle this on the fly, it doesn’t 
do a good job especially if you are near full or have lots of files.  
Sometimes, a backup and restore on anew formatted disk can make a world of 
difference.  Or, just replace that disk with an SSD and be prepared to have 
your socks blown off.:)

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:02 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Martin,
> 
> First, let me say that the tips you received from Tim, in a previous reply to 
> your post, are excellent.
> 
> Second, while I am certainly not an Apple fan-boy, as I use both Windows 7 
> and Windows 10 on a daily basis, the fact that both you and your wife are 
> experiencing similar problems gives me pause.  The truth is, your experience 
> is not typical.  
> 
> This is not to say that the OS is not without its bugs; however, I would 
> argue that what you are encountering is somewhat rare.  
> 
> In terms of the mail application, which I would argue is the best user-side 
> mail client, for managing huge amounts of messages, please keep in mind that 
> there are a great many factors that impact its performance.  For example, the 
> speed and integrity of your network connection.  Now in comparison to MS 
> Outlook for Windows, it takes much longer for Mac Mail to index large amounts 
> of messages.  So, if you are used to Outlook for Windows, I can understand 
> how you may prefer it, at first, based on the speed at which it locks & 
> loads, so-to-speak.
> 
> Rather than asking you questions, to which you may not know how to answer, I 
> would strongly suggest that you take your computers into an Apple Store for a 
> full diagnostic review.  Assuming that you have Apple Care coverage, doing 
> this will not cost you any money.
> 
> Again, this is just my recommendation for I would hate to think that your 
> opinion of VoiceOver, and to a lesser degree, the Mac, is based on some 
> glitch in your particular systems.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Brown
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Mail App
> 
> Hi Scott and others.
> My Mac Mini has a 500GB hard drive, of which about 400GB is free disk. In 
> terms of memory, should again be sufficient with 4GB.
> 
> I am sending this email from my Windows machine, as my Mac is still being a 
> bugger when trying to run the mail app. Had it on this morning, and it went 
> into a busy mode while doing straight forward tasks, e.g. reading and 
> deleting messages. In fact, I had to do a force quit to get my machine to 
> close down. So, as they say, we have a problem Houston. There are a few 
> things to try yet, but it may well be a case of a clean install.
> 
> I can fully understand the list member who feels the Mac is not for him.
> From the moment I switch on my machine I immediately run into what I assume 
> to be a bug. And, if it is a bug, then it is a long standing one. Namely, 
> nothing seems to have focus on the desk top. I have found ways around this, 
> of course, but for someone completely new to the Mac it is both confusing and 
> very challenging. Not the best introduction to a new operating system.
> 
> 
> This is why at times I get disappointed with Voiceover. I am sure that others 
> have reported such issues to Apple, but nothing seems to get done. If I was 
> in a position to turn Voiceover off, then such problems, along with others, 
> would in all likelihood disappear. I am sure new problems would arise in such 
> a scenario, but as a sighted person I might be in a better position to deal 
> with them.
> 
> My wife is very much an Apple person, as far as mobile devices go, i.e.
> phones and tablets. She also has a desk top Mac and gets the same focus 
> problems that I have mentioned above. She has, in the past, reported bugs on 
> her iPhone. She no longer bothers as the standard reply was, 'we can't 
> reproduce your problem. Could you give us more information.' This reply 
> suggests that the problem is with the user and not the device and its 
> software.
> 
> I have this rather simplistic view of how I might manage, for want of better 
> words, the Voiceover department of this huge company we have all come to know 
> as Apple. While sitting at my desk I would turn on my Mac with Voiceover 
> enabled. The first thing I would notice is, very possibly, that nothing has 
> focus. As this is not how things should be, I would be inclined to try to get 
> to the bottom of this. Sometimes solving little things can solve bigger 
> things as you delve deeper into what might be causing even bigger and more 
> problematic issues for the user.
> 
> Well, there you have it. I am just a very simple minded person.
> Kind Regards:
> Martin 

Re: vm and insert key?

[Scott Granados]

Mike Erigo had some podcasts that were fantastic for learning VM Fusion and 
windows.  I got started using his content myself.  They were on Blindcooltech 
but possibly he can speak up as he’s on list and may have pointers of other 
podcasts he’s done more recently.

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Is there a tutorial anywhere for using VM? Especially with VoiceOver?
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, i found a guide about it, here is what you do.
>> go to the from box, press the key left too your number 1 on your
>> keyboard, to go too the too box, press Vo-space, and a list comes up,
>> select the right key, and you are golden.
>> Amazing that little mac book can run windows xp, ss
>> 
>>> On 7/5/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Just to be clear, are you using sharp keys to make this adjustment or how
>>> are you remapping in vmware?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 5, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
 wrote:
 
 Hi. in short, what do you do in the too field under mapping of keys in
 vmware?
 i can get from field in cutely enough, but i seem to remember there is
 a list of keys in the too combo box, but when i interact with it ,
 nothing happens,
 
 
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

Did you hold down the shift key?

Also, how long did you wait after the drums?

Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the stock 
Ubuntu install.
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
> speech. Do you have any ideas?
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
> then speech starts.  
> 
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>  
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying 
>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>> 
>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You 
>>> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal 
>>> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it 
>>> a few minutes to build a VM.
>>> 
>>> That might be something to try.
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to 
 work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be 
 useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there 
 aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I 
 now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar 
 with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual 
 Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which 
 stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, 
 probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty 
 quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX 
 files. So, are there any tips for more easily using Virtual Box, like 
 adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them, when I tried it 
 didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in 
 Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
 Sent from my Mac.
 
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Make icloud go away

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My mac has started during bootup to ask me twice in a row for my icloud 
passsword.  I choose cancel to continue.


I have tinkered in system preferences icloud with various settings to no 
avail.


How can I make icloud go away?

I don't use it and have no intention nor interest to ever do so.

Thanks.
XB

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Re: Make icloud go away

[Scott Granados]

You really can’t, you can not enable it but the current OS really depends a lot 
on iCloud.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:03 PM, -  wrote:
> 
> 
> My mac has started during bootup to ask me twice in a row for my icloud 
> passsword.  I choose cancel to continue.
> 
> I have tinkered in system preferences icloud with various settings to no 
> avail.
> 
> How can I make icloud go away?
> 
> I don't use it and have no intention nor interest to ever do so.
> 
> Thanks.
> XB
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You are totally correct Scott with respect to blind users and the use case.  
For the most part, the comment about blind users requiring a nice screen was 
meant as a funny, but I can see where it may have fallen flat.  Myself, I also 
work with sighted people all the time, and, for work, have my souped up 2011 
15" MBP, a couple iMacs, some MacPros and some rather old iMacs as well just 
for fun.  I often dim the screen in meetings and forget to turn it back up for 
others when they wish to see what's on my screen.  I just tell them that I can 
see it just fine like that, what's their problem :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2016, at 18:37, Scott Granados  wrote:

Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering 
network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense 
applications.  Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to 
look over his shoulder.  So there are some applications where a blind person 
who you might not think has any need for a screen does.  Maybe not for direct 
use but there can be other benefits.

It’s all about the use cases I guess.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with 
> all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a 
> better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. 
>  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do 
> it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very 
> nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the 
> future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most 
> everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option 
> as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
> 
> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
> in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
> book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
> the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
> much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
> player instead. what do you think? Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>> 
>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
>> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Terje Strømberg]

Go for 16GB RAM, SSD disc is essential, theese two hardware devices is the best 
for speed, processor can be second best i.e. the second fastest, if you need 
this mac to edit videos you also need the second best graphic. 

I think voice over works better with good graphic card too i.e. voice over use 
graphic card to announce wat is on the screen, but feel free to correct me 
here, i don’t mind,  also as i am more guessing and  based on what i think i 
have heard earlier back. So, i am interesting to learn if this is true or false.

Take care


> 10. jul. 2016 kl. 02.49 skrev 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
> thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
>> Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had 
>> their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not a 
>> huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know others 
>> feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of 
>> the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
 DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
 Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
 you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
 displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
 powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
 and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
 machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
 that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take 
 the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS 
 is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be 
 a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS 
 device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
 keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can 
 be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
 
 So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
 power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
 will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
 least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This 
 will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
 usefulness.
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
 all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
 with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
 pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
 do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
 drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
> 
> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
> 
> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending 
> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still 
> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case 
> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
> 
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> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:

RE: IOS 10 beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Not in the public beta.

It was released on Friday night my time.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10 beta

Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are strictly 
forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta testing of IOS10. 
 This pertains both to developer beta as well as the public beta.  Bear in mind 
that the public beta is public strictly in the sence that the public has access 
to it without paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is 
strictly forbidden.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List folks,

Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
beta release.

Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.

The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after updating.

But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in the 
touch sensor.

Cheers for any information.

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RE: IOS 10 beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Gena, Ill check that out.

Cheers.

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On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:06 AM
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Subject: Re: IOS 10 beta

Hello Simon,

I’m not sure how much written material Rob puts out but his podcasts list all 
the new features and the differences between each beta release. I see he has a 
twitter feed. So I could imagine the new features being tweeted.

http://tii.libsyn.com

Regards,

Gena

On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:06, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List folks,

Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
beta release.

Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.

The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after updating.

But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in the 
touch sensor.

Cheers for any information.

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RE: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Arnold,

I work with both windows and mac systems / machines,

I do a lot of work both at home and work with active directory and exchange 
servers so I prefer to use windows for exchange and windows active directory 
admin tools for AD. The AD tools is not something that at this point can be 
done from a mac or at least that we have found.

I also find that speed for me in windows is  still greater due to years more of 
use so I still fall back to that for comfort.


I play more of my media on the mac as it’s better setup for media both playing 
and production.
But being able to have both systems in one machine is an excellent choice, I 
can flick between OS’s within 20 seconds

But mainly it’s comfort and a lack of knowledge and then the power tools that 
make me use the windows machine.
Hope that helps

Cheers,


Simon f


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Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:33 AM
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Subject: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac 
users: Please read

Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now ordered 
my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply work better 
in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user simply does not 
know how to do something well when they say something doesn't work as well, so 
I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced users.  I know, 
for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the Mac, I don't know 
how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and 
reading, by importing everything into a word processing app is about more 
trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  
But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I’ve used applied.apple.com

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:20 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

No, the website is appleid.apple.com. Then, on your 
iOS device, open Settings, go to iCloud, tap on your account name, and proceed 
from there as described.
On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:42, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Iclouds accessible? Last time I looked at it the accessibility was poo

But thanks I”ll give that a look



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:16 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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Subject: Re: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

You must first go to appleid.apple.com > security 
and turn off two step verification, if you have it on. Then, after you've made 
three security questions (part of disabling two step verification), go to your 
iPhone > settings > iCloud. Tap the button named for your account username, 
enter the password, and tap two factor authentication. That's if you can find 
it.
On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:49, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

My iPHone has two factor authentication?

Where abouts is it I shoud be looking for this?

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Subject: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

Hi all,
My sister had to turn off two step verification on her ID months ago so she 
could sign into the Apple TV 3. However, she went to turn on two factor 
authentication today, at my urging, but it's not anywhere. She has El Cap, 
iOS9, and watchOS2. Yet neither on the Mac, web, or iPhone is 2FA an option at 
all. It's not that it's dimmed, it's literally not there in any way. I enabled 
it on my account with no trouble, although I'm on iOS10. Still, all the 
articles I've read--including Apple's own--say to do exactly what I did. Why 
hers isn't working is beyond me. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

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RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Peggy,

Only the 13 inch air has the sd slot
On the right hand edge, towards the front the of the machine
If I remember correctly.

From: 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 2:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

I never knew my Air had an SD card slot. I feel really stupid.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall 
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a 
new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that 
time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones 
(what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be 
updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking 
of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes.

I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind 
user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, 
certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the 
larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good 
deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the 
differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my 
guide to all of Apple's Mac computers:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs
On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Max,

The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
storage
  And up to 8gb ram.

Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they only 
have sertain machines as general builds.

The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.

They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
And a great battery life

The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan sizes,
 And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.

As do the prices.

I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching tv 
or movies in which case things drop by about 25%

The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.

The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.

Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
said it depends on your kind of usage.


From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
differences between the pro and air. thanks, max
On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:



The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, which 
is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks the 
expansion ports of a Mac.

As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you can't 
run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but I do 
have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, I'd 
rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a 
fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have an 
iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do 
for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
obviously. :)
On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard 
drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on 
their cloud drive? thanks, max
On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:



I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!

I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
miss something obvious?
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- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries"

RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Simon Fogarty]

Max,

I have the mac book air,
 I had a custom build,  of the 11 inch with up speed processor, ram and hard 
drive.

I am concidering a mac book pro next but that is due to neding some windows and 
server based vm's so a bit more power and performance 

Other than that the mac book iar is great and I use it all the time.

 Why pay more when you can gt the same thing for a lot less.

-Original Message-
From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon 
Fogarty wrote:

> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
> 
> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around
> 
> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending 
> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still 
> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case 
> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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