Re: My review of Imap Weather Radio

[Scott Howell]

Geoff,

After having a number of tornado and flash flood warnings yesterday and not 
receiving any alert from Imap Weather Radio, I requested a refund from the 
iTUnes store. Now I did feel a tad guilty because I did get a note from someone 
named Matthew who was interested in how to make the app even more accessible 
(not that it is much of an issue as is), but I had shared some ideas. I suspect 
I won't hear back from him after sharing my disappointment over the alerts. I 
thought this would be a really useful app and I don't have a problem spending 
the money if it would meet my needs. However, I had the radio sitting here and 
got all matter of alerts via the tones that are generated when the emergency 
broadcast system is issuing alerts, but no alert from the app and I had 
everything setup properly. So, if this issue is addressed, I would reconsider, 
but I'd rather spend the $30 for a stand-alone radio that does the job and get 
the alert, then spend $10 and never hear the alert until the house is caving in 
on me. :)
Overall the app is accessible and the quality of the recordings are very good. 
I also will say the responsiveness of the customer service folks is very good 
as well.

On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings y'all,
> 
> 
> I was going to write Sarai off list to express appreciation for her excellent 
> review and thanksgiving that she got through the recent turbulence that 
> recently reigned supreme here in the SouthEastern United States.
> 
> I started asking so many follow-up questions, however that I changed my mind 
> and decided that others might be able to contribute to and benefit from the 
> discussion, so here goes.
> 
> If IMAP WeatherRadio indeed gives a loud and timely warning I believe it's 
> worth the cost.  So far either the conditions in my area lacked sufficient 
> importance to trigger a major alarm, or the sound emitted would never awaken 
> me from a deep sleep.  Yesterday our region got several tornado watches which 
> were extended several times.  I saw an alert from ImapWeatherRadio, but if 
> there was any sound at all it was the two tone beep that accompanies a push 
> notification, tipicle of what my phone emits when the FoxNews app sends a 
> "breaking news" alert, or when AtBat11 informs me that the Cubs lost again.  
> I usually sleep right through those!  I went into settings -> Notifications 
> and confirmed that both sounds and alerts are enabled for WeatherRadio.  
> Perhaps there needs to be an actual warning in order to receive a loud alert? 
>  I also observed that this app inserts an entry into settings, which is now 
> empty, so perhaps they intend add the option of configuring different sounds 
> in a future update.
> 
> When this app was first discussed, it was stated that one could read text of 
> the conditions and forecast without having to activate ImapWeatherRadio's 
> audio.  So far I have not determined how to accomplish this.  The IMap dialog 
> seemed to be the most applicable place to look, but none of the visible 
> buttons (play, refreshmap, unlabeled, or Map's time stamp)) appear to cause 
> the app to convey the text portion in a vo accessible manner.
>  I also tried double tapping an area on the screen where I presume the map is 
> displayed, but that only presented the "Map settings" dialog.  This is hardly 
> a deal breaker for me, but the earlier discussion has me thinking I must be 
> missing something obvious.
> 
> TIA and best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi all:
>> I've received questions about the above application, so thought I'd write a 
>> review of the application. Unfortunately, I had use of it yesterday. I'm 
>> running an iPhone 4, iOS 4.3. 
>> Imap Weather Radio is an accessible weather radio application, which can be 
>> configured to alert you to any weather event of your choosing. It wil use 
>> your GPS to send alerts where ever you are. You can also set the app to 
>> alert for 5 locations based on zip, city, state, airport code, etc. Unlike 
>> other radio apps which happen to have weather radio stations, Imap wakes up 
>> your iOS device, sounds an alarm, and will send audio, and text alerts. From 
>> experience, it works, and will send the alerts at the same time as a Midland 
>> NOA Weather Radio. Fortunately, there isn't a delay in notifications, wich 
>> was one of my concerns with push notification. It was comforting to have 
>> this application when I lost all power due to yesterday's storms. The app 
>> does activate location tracking, and surprisingly, it doesn't cause to much 
>> of a battery drain. Last night, I had Imap, as well as several other apps 
>> pushing data pretty hard to my phone. At 5 P.M, I unplugged the phone at 
>> 100% battery power. Around 10 P.M. I was down to 49%; that was with a 
>> constant stream of data being pushed. Today, I started at 82% at 8 A.M. and 
>> I was at 70
>> % at 6 P.M. This was on

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Ricardo,

I have to agree and I understand that not everyone is in the same financial 
position as I am. However, with that said, if you have a Mac, I bet you could 
afford to save the necessary funds. :) Of course I'd rather save for a $300 
item instead of $1,000 item. :)

On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I disagree,
> 
> Since most the people on this list own Macs, iPads, iPods, notetakers, and 
> god knows what else, I don't think saving $300 will be hard for most people.  
> At least in the United States.  Its just a matter of if you think its worth 
> the trouble.  If a person can put away $30 a month, they could have it in 
> less than a year.  I just don't think the price is that much of a hardship 
> for most.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
> 
>> I'd say $150 or so at the absolute highest. Anything much higher than that
>> seems prohibitive  to me. Most folks have to work a long time with
>> significant effort to put away $300 after taxes and costs for food,
>> clothing, and shelter. 
>> 
>> Tony Hernandez
>> http://dutyofman.net/
>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:25 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>> the mac app store.
>> 
>> WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a
>> number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a
>> fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100.
>> Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features?
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi. 
>>> 
>>> I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower
>> is
>>> what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
>>> 
>>> Tony Hernandez
>>> http://dutyofman.net/
>>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or
>> whether
>>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now
>> on
>>> the mac app store.
>>> 
>>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I
>> gather
>>> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
>>> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
>>> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user.
>> Now
>>> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
>>> web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes
>>> available?
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Kevin
>>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>>>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>>>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>>>> much work to get a document scanned.
>>>> Regards Tony
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>>>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
>>> question
>>>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
>>> work
>>>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
>>> 25

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Ricardo,

That is really my point. What are you willing to pay for ease of use and 
quality of results. If the $100 ABBYY Fine Reader Express product gets the job 
done to your satisfaction that is great; however, if the $299 DocuScan provides 
the access, quality, and end results for you that is great. It to me is about 
meeting your needs. I could easily purchase this product or the $1,000 plus 
product. Of course I'll purchase the product that meets my needs at the best 
possible price. I asked the question since I wonder at times if the reaction is 
partially a side effect of what people have paid for "blindness" products in 
the past and here they have Macs and iOS devices that they paid for, and at the 
same price as their sighted counterparts. DOes that make sense?

Scott
On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Really,
> 
> That is an excellent question.  I could be off a bit but, isn't this about 
> 80% cheaper then the next access tech OCR solution for the Mac?  IDK.  For me 
> at least, money won't be the major issue if I buy this or not.  I think this 
> price range allows most to just go by its performance and ease of use.
> 
> JMO
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a 
>> number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a 
>> fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100. 
>> Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features?
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi. 
>>> 
>>> I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is
>>> what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
>>> 
>>> Tony Hernandez
>>> http://dutyofman.net/
>>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>> the mac app store.
>>> 
>>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather
>>> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
>>> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
>>> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
>>> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
>>> web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes
>>> available?
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Kevin
>>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>>>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>>>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>>>> much work to get a document scanned.
>>>> Regards Tony
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>>>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
>>> question
>>>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
>>> work
>>>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
>>> 25?
>>>>> Thanks so much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
>>>>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin b

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Matthew, I understand as a college student the cost might be a bit steep. 
HOwever, I'm not so sure the cost is completely out of line. Perhaps if this 
was not hosted in the cloud it could be a little less expensive. Maybe an 
educational discount would be nice, but likely not $100 discount. Of course you 
have to consider that they are marketing the product to more than college 
students.
Now if you could get an iOS version that would talk to an external camera or 
even use the camera on the iOS device, that would up the value factor IMHO. 
Btw, I understand the Hover Camera is only 5 megapixels, which for $499 I 
thought maybe it would be a bit more; however, maybe that is sufficient for 
most scans.

On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hi.
> I'd consider paying for DocuScan if it was $100 cheeper. This would account 
> for the licensing of the OCR, and the blindness related features. As a 
> college student with no funding, $100 goes a long way.
> 
> On 2011-04-29, at 1:24 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a 
>> number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a 
>> fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100. 
>> Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features?
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi. 
>>> 
>>> I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is
>>> what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
>>> 
>>> Tony Hernandez
>>> http://dutyofman.net/
>>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>> the mac app store.
>>> 
>>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather
>>> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
>>> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
>>> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
>>> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
>>> web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes
>>> available?
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Kevin
>>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>>>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>>>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>>>> much work to get a document scanned.
>>>> Regards Tony
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>>>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
>>> question
>>>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
>>> work
>>>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
>>> 25?
>>>>> Thanks so much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
>>>>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@

Re: imho: the cost of Mac vs others and their solutionsWas: docuscan is available

[Scott Howell]

Carolyn, I would normally avoid posting "I agree" messages, but you really did 
state this very well.
It is difficult to compare Macs to PCs because the comparison is not so clear. 
They both are computers, but the quality is very different. There is a reason 
why a PC can cost as little as $300 or less. People do not realize that some of 
the cost is also subsidized by third-party vendors for having their trial 
software or other junk installed.
I agree the DocuScan program is considerably less than the other AT solutions 
of its kind available on the market. I was impressed by the demo recorded and I 
might even consider trying this out. However, I think my main concern is the 
fact it does the processing in the cloud, where I would like to have that as an 
option myself. However, it is again a fascinating idea.

On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:18 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Brandt:
> Couldn't disagree with this point of view more.  First you're comparing 
> Apples and raspberries.:)
> The Mac is a totally different system, and built to some stringent 
> specifications.  You don't see any Macs for $300 as you do for PC machines. 
> And there's a good reason.  They're worth more.
> Secondly:  you're buying mainstream technology, and not having to fork out 
> the price of a second machine just to get it to talk.  Voiceover is built 
> into the system, not as an adaptation of the system.
> As such, Vo is intended to give the VI Mac user a more accurate picture of 
> the screen.
> 
> 
> Finally, even at $299, if docuscan works as well as we're hoping it does, 
> it's still a third of the price of your krzweil or openbook programs.
> 
> Sorry, but I believe when you buy a Mac, you get what you pay for.
> 
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:33 AM, brandt wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>>  
>> Yes, $299 is a fair bit of money, but how many actually went and bought open 
>> Book or something similar back when ever for 3 ore 4 times more? My biggest 
>> complaint is not the cost of software but the ridiculous prices of Mac 
>> computers. I can and probably will go the Hakintosh route just because of 
>> that.
>>  
>> Warm regards,
>>  
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>  
>> If you like country, oldies and the occasional modern track, you can tune in 
>> to my show, "an Eclectic mess" every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by 
>> going to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
>>  
>> Contact me:
>>  
>> Skype: brandt.steenkamp007
>> MSN: brandt...@live.com
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>> Twitter @brandtsteenkamp
>> - Original Message -
>> From: E.J. Zufelt
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on 
>> the mac app store.
>> 
>> I know nothing at all about this app.  But, I suspect that a significant 
>> portion of the cost is related to licencing a OCR SDK
>> 
>> 
>> Everett Zufelt
>> http://zufelt.ca
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-04-28, at 10:05 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Listers.
>>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
>>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
>>> Hope this actually benefits someone.
>>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
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Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Ashley, I'd like to see the ability to scan/store locally as well as the cloud 
perhaps; however, I concur with your comments. I thought it was possible to 
scan/store locally, but I guess all the OCR occurs in the cloud and that 
presents some issues for me. A really neat idea though.
On Apr 29, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Ashley Cox wrote:

> I would pay for a product like this, if they removed the cloud features and 
> just had 1 simple program, that could perform everything on the local 
> computer. I would buy this straight away for college, but my macbook isn't 
> always connected to the internet. The cloud is OK for some things, but 
> seriously developers, this is getting rediculous.
> 
> On 29/04/2011 18:24, Scott Howell wrote:
>> WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a 
>> number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a 
>> fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100. 
>> Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features?
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is
>>> what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
>>> 
>>> Tony Hernandez
>>> http://dutyofman.net/
>>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>> the mac app store.
>>> 
>>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather
>>> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
>>> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
>>> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
>>> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
>>> web-based product and something on the iOS platform>  assuming that becomes
>>> available?
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Kevin
>>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>>>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>>>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>>>> much work to get a document scanned.
>>>> Regards Tony
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves:
>>>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
>>> question
>>>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
>>> work
>>>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
>>> 25?
>>>>> Thanks so much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
>>>>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mac app store.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Listers.
>>>>>> DocuScan is now mac compat

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Buddy, I was seriously considering this product, but honestly not having the 
ability to scan items locally would likely be a deal killer. Sure the Internet 
is always on, but I can see where this type of setup may not work in a 
corporate environment since scanned documents are actually leaving the 
organization or there may be a time where the internet is not available.
On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Not currently, no. 
> --
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:22 PM, David Tanner wrote:
> 
>> So, is there no way to scan and recognize if you are not connected to the 
>> internet?
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Buddy Brannan" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on 
>> the mac app store.
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Jenny,
>> 
>> Read the help file. We worked real hard on that. Seriously, the delay you're 
>> seeing is most likely due to the remote OCR. That is to say, the imgae being 
>> uploaded to "the cloud" (I really hate that term) for OCR. So you have to 
>> have an active Internet connection for it to work.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I just downloaded and installed the demo.  So far, I like it.  I did 
>>> forget that I had not yet installed the drivers for my flatbed scanner on 
>>> the mac portion of my macbook pro, so when I attempted to scan for the 
>>> first time, DocuScan defaulted to using the built-in webcam.  However, once 
>>> I properly installed the scanner, it gave me the choice between the webcam 
>>> and my scanner.  The recognition process took slightly longer than my K1000 
>>> typically does, but the quality was actually slightly better. Guess it's a 
>>> trade-off.  In any case, I am loving it so far.  I need to play around with 
>>> it a bit to figure out how to edit and convert files, etc.  I will be 
>>> interested to hear what others think of this product.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Jenny Wood
>>> Phone: (972) 989-3894
>>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Ashley Cox wrote:
>>> 
>>>> is there a scanner solution out there that can use the mac's webcam?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 29/04/2011 12:02, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>>> Hey Chris, I was only kidding about the camera. I had not heard her demo, 
>>>>> so is the demo for the Mac? THe camera from what I gather is $200 
>>>>> additional? I wonder if that camera could be connected to an iOS device, 
>>>>> which would be very cool indeed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't mean to make a big deal about this, but just what do people want? 
>>>>>> As has been point out, this is half the price and more of some of the 
>>>>>> other solutions out there and there is a demo which was very well done 
>>>>>> by Ricky Enger.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I 
>>>>>>> gather with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a 
>>>>>>> demo on the Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most 
>>>>>>> other products on the market that are geared toward the blind and 
>>>>>>> visually impaired user. Now I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 
>>>>>>> also give you access to the web-based product and something on the iOS 
>>>>>>> platform>  assuming that becomes available?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Kevin
>>>>>>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>>>>>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something re

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Funny you say this. How do you determine if the "general" developer will 
develop something "we all" can use. How do you determine if a product would 
meet your needs as well as the sighted community? In other words our needs may 
be different then their needs, which is not unusual. I'm not defending the cost 
etc. just trying to understand. To me if you have a solution that works, great 
and if not, this might just be the product. My understanding is you get free 
upgrades for the life of the product, which is not a bad deal either. So, this 
discussion has a few interesting sides to it.
On Apr 29, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Cheree wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> It isn't that blind people typically feel that we have to get free 
> applications, services, etc.
> 
> It's most likely more about the sub-poberty level conditions most blind 
> people are consigned to live under that governs how most blind people see 
> expenditures of this type.
> 
> I am admitting to having problems imagining why it costs so much for a 
> blindness friendly application like this.
> 
> I'm going to wait until that pool of app developers who serve the general 
> public work out a good general app we all can use.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29/04/2011, at 9:04 AM, "brandt"  wrote:
> 
>> Remember, sighted folks pay for programs they need just like we do, it's 
>> just so typically blind to complain that most do it as a reflex action, come 
>> on! Wake up and smell the roses, we are not alone at paying for things we 
>> need, and after all if you do a job, won't you expect payment for it?
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> If you like country, oldies and the ocasional modern track, you can tune in 
>> to my show, "an Eclectic mess" every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by 
>> going to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
>> 
>> Contact me:
>> 
>> Skype: brandt.steenkamp007
>> MSN: brandt...@live.com
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>> Twitter @brandtsteenkamp
>> - Original Message - From: "Tony Hernandez" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:58 PM
>> Subject: RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on 
>> the mac app store.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is
>> what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
>> 
>> Tony Hernandez
>> http://dutyofman.net/
>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>> the mac app store.
>> 
>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather
>> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
>> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
>> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
>> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
>> web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes
>> available?
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kevin
>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>>> much work to get a document scanned.
>>> Regards Tony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
>> question
>>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
>> work
>>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
>> 25?
>>>> Thanks so much.
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin
>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 P

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a 
number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a 
fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100. Is 
that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features?

On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Hi. 
> 
> I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is
> what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
> 
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
> the mac app store.
> 
> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather
> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
> web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes
> available?
> 
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kevin
>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>> much work to get a document scanned.
>> Regards Tony
>> 
>> 
>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
> question
>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
> work
>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
> 25?
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
>>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
>>>> Andy
>>>> 
>>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>>> the
>>>> mac app store.
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Listers.
>>>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
>>>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
>>>> Hope this actually benefits someone.
>>>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
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Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Hey Chris, I was only kidding about the camera. I had not heard her demo, so is 
the demo for the Mac? THe camera from what I gather is $200 additional? I 
wonder if that camera could be connected to an iOS device, which would be very 
cool indeed.

On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Don't mean to make a big deal about this, but just what do people want?  As 
> has been point out, this is half the price and more of some of the other 
> solutions out there and there is a demo which was very well done by Ricky 
> Enger.  
> 
> Chris
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather 
>> with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the 
>> Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on 
>> the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now 
>> I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the 
>> web-based product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes 
>> available?
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kevin
>>> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
>>> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
>>> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
>>> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
>>> much work to get a document scanned.
>>> Regards Tony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>>>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One 
>>>> question
>>>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only 
>>>> work
>>>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan 25?
>>>> Thanks so much.
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin
>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
>>>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
>>>>> Andy
>>>>> 
>>>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>>>> the
>>>>> mac app store.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Listers.
>>>>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
>>>>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
>>>>> Hope this actually benefits someone.
>>>>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
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Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

I disagree the Mac is ridiculously  priced. In fact the cost of ownership for a 
Mac user will be less than a PC user. Sure you pay more on the front-end, but 
the cost of upgrading the OS, applications, and so forth is less, and you are 
getting a more quality product for your dollar. There is a price for innovation 
and quality, so I digress from the thread, but let me toss in the final note 
that if you had to purchase a windows screen reader with that PC, you would pay 
about the same price. :)

On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:33 AM, brandt wrote:

> Hi there,
>  
> Yes, $299 is a fair bit of money, but how many actually went and bought open 
> Book or something similar back when ever for 3 ore 4 times more? My biggest 
> complaint is not the cost of software but the ridiculous prices of Mac 
> computers. I can and probably will go the Hakintosh route just because of 
> that.
>  
> Warm regards,
>  
> Brandt Steenkamp
>  
> If you like country, oldies and the occasional modern track, you can tune in 
> to my show, "an Eclectic mess" every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by going 
> to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
>  
> Contact me:
>  
> Skype: brandt.steenkamp007
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> - Original Message -
> From: E.J. Zufelt
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:23 AM
> Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on 
> the mac app store.
> 
> I know nothing at all about this app.  But, I suspect that a significant 
> portion of the cost is related to licencing a OCR SDK
> 
> 
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> http://zufelt.ca
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On 2011-04-28, at 10:05 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
> 
>> Hello Listers.
>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
>> Hope this actually benefits someone.
>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
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Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Scott Howell]

Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather 
with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the Mac 
actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on the 
market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now I may 
also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the web-based 
product and something on the iOS platform> assuming that becomes available?

On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:

> Hi Kevin
> I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
> Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
> swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
> than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
> much work to get a document scanned.
> Regards Tony
> 
> 
> 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves :
>> Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One question
>> comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only work
>> with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan 25?
>> Thanks so much.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> 
>>> Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
>>> K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
>>> the
>>> mac app store.
>>> 
>>> Hello Listers.
>>> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
>>> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
>>> Hope this actually benefits someone.
>>> the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
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Re: Accessible Weather Radio App for iOS devices

[Scott Howell]

And I suspect that will impact battery performance. Not a wise design IMHO. 
After all, once you have set your location, unless it tracks your position to 
provide data on the location where you currently are, there is no reason to 
have this on continuously.

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> I actually got this app, it is very accessible. The radio part does not 
> actually play the NOAA weather radio, but rather, a computer voice reading 
> the current conditions and forecast. Looks like the voices they are using are 
> from Cepstral. This app has an interesting side effect though. Once 
> installed, location tracking stays on all the time. I could understand this 
> happening if the app was running, but even killing it in the app switcher and 
> turning off notifications does not turn the location tracking off. The only 
> way I could do this was to turn off location tracking in settings.
> On Apr 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
> 
>> Hey all. I was reading about this app for IOS devices and it sounds cool. My 
>> question is is there any accessible app like that for Mac? I tried using the 
>> weather widgit that Dashboard has and I didn't like it. It would be nice if 
>> there were an actual app for Mac like the one you're talking about. When I 
>> owned a PC, I really liked a program called Weatheraloud but it didn't show 
>> any watches or warnings. I'd like something for this thing that would read 
>> current conditions and forecasts like that for the Mac. I'll do a google 
>> search but I figured that I'd ask all of you guys as well.
>> 
>> Shawn
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Re: Accessible Weather Radio App for iOS devices

[Scott Howell]

Hello Sarai,

Question concerning this app. Does it provide textual information about the 
weather or only audio information via an audio feed. In other words, can you 
look at the local forecast without having to just listen? I know this app is a 
little expensive, but I'm still curious about the quality and quantity of 
information provided. So, with that said, what information does it provide with 
respect to the weather forecasts and current conditions. THe description was 
not very clear about this.
ALso, have you found any aspects of the app that are not accessible? ANy other 
comments etc. you would like to share regarding the app or how it compares to 
other weather apps you may have tried?

THanks,
Scott

On Apr 26, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> All:
> I wanted to let you know Imap Weather Radio has just arrived in the app store 
> today. It's accessible with Voiceover. This weather radio can alert you to 
> bad weather using your GPS location, or you can program up to 5 locations. 
> Allerts can be customized for specific weather events. So far, it is very 
> good. You can also listen to your local weather radio station.
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Re: Apple TV opinions wanted.

[Scott Howell]

The only problems I have had with streaming were a direct result of my internet 
connection, Otherwise, I have been very pleased with my Apple TV.
On Apr 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Neil James wrote:

> Greetings one and all. Well, the subject line says it all. I am thinking of 
> giving an Apple TV as a Birthday present and would like opinions on this 
> device. I have read a number of reviews on the web which claim that the Apple 
> TV has problems with streaming video such as stuttering and freezing, but I'm 
> taking such reviews with a grain of salt since the issues mentioned above 
> could be caused by a number of factors. Thanks in advance for any help.
>  
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Re: Technical AirPort question

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Hi Tim,

Thanks and that is pretty much what I thought and determined from what I read. 
I understand the 8211G hardware will drag a 8211N network down, but from what I 
have been told, it is not that bad in general. For example, if the G devices 
are not connected, I'm not going to see any loss unless they do connect. Since 
my ADSL connection is slow, any inbound traffic will not benefit in any case 
and only machine to machine transfers would really benefit (or streaming). SO, 
I stopped segregating  the G devices from the N devices and my connection 
issues went away. The goal at the end of the day was to ensure that when we 
were using our iPads or iPhones and moving about the house, the devices would 
switch from the Time Capsule to the Express without loosing the connection. THe 
way I had it setup, I effectively split my network into two networks and 
created problems for myself. I did this by going into the options of the Time 
Capsule and giving the 5Ghz network a different name. APple does not clearly 
indicate what all happens, but essentially that seems to break the network into 
two parts.
I know all this probably isn't making much sense, but the good news is it seems 
to be working. :) I also learned that any device capable of utilizing the 5Ghz 
network will do so and any 2.4Ghz device will connect to that 5Ghz network. 
Here I thought the iPad was able to connect to a 5Ghz network, but it is 
connecting at 2.4Ghz. Ah this wireless stuff gives me a headache. :() If it was 
not so difficult, I'd run cable and setting up the network would be easier in 
many ways. HOwever, my wife has fits about holes in the walls. :) That is 
another subject for another day. :)

Thanks,
Scott
On Apr 25, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> Which version of Time Capsule do you have?  The Simultaneous Dual Bandwidth 
> one transmits both a 5GHz and 2.4 GHz signal simultaneously whereas the older 
> version can only transmit either/or.  The Airport Express is similar to the 
> latter, whereby it can only transmit either/or.
> 
> If using the newer Simultaneous Dual Bandwidth version, the Airport Express 
> will automatically connect using the 2.4 GHz band when extending with an 
> Airport Express as long as you haven't modified it's original settings.
> 
> If you're using the older version, you will need to leave it on 2.4 GHz as 
> the extending process only works properly on that band.
> 
> Hope this makes some sort of sense.  If you wish, you can contact me off-list 
> for more info.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2011-04-25, at 1:30 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> I understand from reading "take control books" k- and I am currently 
>> struggling with setting up a similar network to yours, Scott, that iPad has 
>> not the capacity to connect to 5ghz radio as it is still 8211G rather than 
>> N. With Express, it has as you point out a dual capacity  and it should 
>> switch autimatically unless you do not allow it in the configurations. I too 
>> find the configuring troublesome as I can't seem to access certain options 
>> when extending the network.
>> 
>> I will see what else I can find.
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 25 Apr 2011, at 01:57, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I hope this will make sense, but this is a little complicated perhaps. 
>>> Currently I have an AirPort Time Capsule as the main router and an AirPort 
>>> Express on another floor to extend the range of the network. The Time 
>>> Capsule has both a 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz radio. I learned the AIrPort Express 
>>> does as well. I have effectively two networks it seems in that devices can 
>>> connect to the 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz network, which has the same name accept the 
>>> 5Ghz network actually states network name followed by 5Ghz. The goal of 
>>> course was to segregate the 8211G devices from the 8211N devices by 
>>> allowing devices supporting 8211N to only access the 5Ghz network. THis 
>>> seems to work fine, but I noticed that my iPad was loosing it's connection 
>>> until I allowed it to connect to the AirPort Express by entering the 
>>> password (which is the same for the entire network). My thought was that 
>>> perhaps for some reason although the Express is extending the network, the 
>>> iPad was not making the switch to the extender. So, that got me to 
>>> wondering if the iPad was connecting to the 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz portion/radio of 
>>> the network. I'm still not entirely sure since it seems the AirPort Express 
>>> when setup does not allow access to a lot of the configuration options. 
>>> Well ok, of course you can change anything, but when config

Re: Technical AirPort question

[Scott Howell]

Hi SImon,

The iPads do have 8211N. In fact the iPhone 4 does as well, but the 3GS and 
previous generation iPods are 8211G only. Everything Apple has now supports 
8211N. I'm going to dig into this as well and we'll exchange notes.
It should be automatic and here is how I know.
I took my iPhone and checked the network strength as I went from one floor to 
another. I noticed the number of bars dropped until the iPhone connected to the 
AirPort Express and then it went back up to 3 bars. Conversely with the iPad it 
was connected to the 5Ghz radio of the TIme Capsule and when I went to the 
upper floor the bars dropped from 3 to 2 and remained there. THis told me that 
it had not switched to the Express. My suspicion is the Express can only 
operate on either the 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz band instead of both as the Time Capsule 
or Extreme can. That is what I'm going to check into.

ScottOn Apr 25, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

> I understand from reading "take control books" k- and I am currently 
> struggling with setting up a similar network to yours, Scott, that iPad has 
> not the capacity to connect to 5ghz radio as it is still 8211G rather than N. 
> With Express, it has as you point out a dual capacity  and it should switch 
> autimatically unless you do not allow it in the configurations. I too find 
> the configuring troublesome as I can't seem to access certain options when 
> extending the network.
> 
> I will see what else I can find.
> 
> Simon
> On 25 Apr 2011, at 01:57, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I hope this will make sense, but this is a little complicated perhaps. 
>> Currently I have an AirPort Time Capsule as the main router and an AirPort 
>> Express on another floor to extend the range of the network. The Time 
>> Capsule has both a 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz radio. I learned the AIrPort Express does 
>> as well. I have effectively two networks it seems in that devices can 
>> connect to the 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz network, which has the same name accept the 
>> 5Ghz network actually states network name followed by 5Ghz. The goal of 
>> course was to segregate the 8211G devices from the 8211N devices by allowing 
>> devices supporting 8211N to only access the 5Ghz network. THis seems to work 
>> fine, but I noticed that my iPad was loosing it's connection until I allowed 
>> it to connect to the AirPort Express by entering the password (which is the 
>> same for the entire network). My thought was that perhaps for some reason 
>> although the Express is extending the network, the iPad was not making the 
>> switch to the extender. So, that got me to wondering if the iPad was 
>> connecting to the 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz portion/radio of the network. I'm still not 
>> entirely sure since it seems the AirPort Express when setup does not allow 
>> access to a lot of the configuration options. Well ok, of course you can 
>> change anything, but when configured to extend the range of the network, it 
>> would make sense that you would not need access to all options (if that made 
>> sense).
>> So, once I connected it seem to behave as expected, but at that time I did 
>> not realize the AirPort Express had both 2.4 and 5Ghz radios. So, after all 
>> that prattle, does anyone know a bit on how these routers work as far as 
>> handing off traffic to an extender and how a device knows to make the 
>> switch? I suspect I know more than I realize, but just haven't found the 
>> best resource to learn. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott
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Re: Technical AirPort question

[Scott Howell]

Mary, yes it does. The network would not appear as an option if it could not 
connect. THis is the case with my iPhone 3GS. Both the iPad 1 and 2 has the 
ability to connect to a 5Ghz network.

Scott
On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> This is probably a really stupid question, Scott. But are you sure the IPad 
> has a 5GhZ radio in it? I know Macs do. But do I-devices as well?
> 
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Technical AirPort question

[Scott Howell]

All,

I hope this will make sense, but this is a little complicated perhaps. 
Currently I have an AirPort Time Capsule as the main router and an AirPort 
Express on another floor to extend the range of the network. The Time Capsule 
has both a 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz radio. I learned the AIrPort Express does as well. I 
have effectively two networks it seems in that devices can connect to the 
2.4Ghz or 5Ghz network, which has the same name accept the 5Ghz network 
actually states network name followed by 5Ghz. The goal of course was to 
segregate the 8211G devices from the 8211N devices by allowing devices 
supporting 8211N to only access the 5Ghz network. THis seems to work fine, but 
I noticed that my iPad was loosing it's connection until I allowed it to 
connect to the AirPort Express by entering the password (which is the same for 
the entire network). My thought was that perhaps for some reason although the 
Express is extending the network, the iPad was not making the switch to the 
extender. So, that got me to wondering if the iPad was connecting to the 2.4Ghz 
or 5Ghz portion/radio of the network. I'm still not entirely sure since it 
seems the AirPort Express when setup does not allow access to a lot of the 
configuration options. Well ok, of course you can change anything, but when 
configured to extend the range of the network, it would make sense that you 
would not need access to all options (if that made sense).
So, once I connected it seem to behave as expected, but at that time I did not 
realize the AirPort Express had both 2.4 and 5Ghz radios. So, after all that 
prattle, does anyone know a bit on how these routers work as far as handing off 
traffic to an extender and how a device knows to make the switch? I suspect I 
know more than I realize, but just haven't found the best resource to learn. 

Thanks,

Scott

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Re: oppinion: Apple Tracking

[Scott Howell]

Ricardo,

If you stop and think about it the reality is you are being tracked in some 
fashion. COnsider when you use a debit/credit card, GPS device, electronic pass 
for rail or bus systems (that use such), and what about electronic toll devices 
and the like. The greater concern is how the data is used. There is a positive 
side to this of course as well. You might really want to know how to get a 
product locally and maybe you could through an ad etc. without doing a lot of 
research. Of course you might want to be alerted to a special deal on that 
really tasty beer. I'm more concerned about someone or company accessing my 
personal or financial data more so than knowing where I am.
I'm just amazed at the reactions of people when this really is nothing new, but 
hey this is the price of being connected. :)

Scott
On Apr 23, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Why would you make that leap?  until  yesterday, people didn't know android 
> phones did it as well.  I don't think one can say with certainty, just 
> because Android and Apple collects this data that windows phone 7, Symbian, 
> RIM, and web OS does the same.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Also, what people don't realize is that all smart phones do this, not just 
>> apple. Android does, and most likely, blackberries do too. So, it's not just 
>> an Apple thing.
>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:09 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, great!  So, just don't go where you don't belong, and what's the big 
>>> scare here?  Maybe I'm overly Apple loyal.  But, really, do we all have so 
>>> many secret places we go?   What about onstar? That lovely service that can 
>>> respond in minutes to your emergency with the push of a button.  Quite 
>>> honestly, I don't think a single soul would benefit from knowing where i've 
>>> been or where I'm going.  
>>> I get the feeling someone's looking at Apple's profits  and wanting a piece 
>>> of the Apple pie.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> 
 We talked about the pop up ad possibility a while back, now it seems apple 
 is gathering data on your whereabouts?
 here is the story.
 TVBizwire
 
 
 Researchers Say Apple Is Tracking Locations of Mobile Device
 Users betanews
 
 A team of researchers says Apple is secretly obtaining the
 locations of iOS4 users and recording them in a hidden file,
 according to a betanews.com report.
 
 Two of the researchers, Alasdair Allan and Peter Warden of
 O'Reilly Media, presented their findings today at the Where 2.0
 conference in Santa Clara, Calif.
 
 According to the story, the revelation raises "obvious privacy
 concerns and questions as to why Apple would be storing such
 information. The researchers believe it is intentional, as the
 file is restored after backups and even when the user switches to
 a new device."
 
 The group says the functionality is apparently new to iOS4, the
 mobile operating system that runs the latest iPad, iPhone and
 iPod touch. The researchers have reportedly tried to contact
 Apple's security team but had yet to hear back from the company.
 The story reports: "Allan says that the existence of the file on
 on your computer is a security risk, as it is both unprotected
 and un encrypted. `It can also be easily accessed on the device
 itself if it falls into the wrong hands,' he wrote in a blog
 post. `Anybody with access to this file knows where you've been
 over the last year, since iOS4 was released.'"
 
 
 
 http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwire/2011/04/researchers-say-apple-is-track.php
 
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Re: A Few Questions About My New iPAD2.

[Scott Howell]

WIth regard to the Weather app, the iPad does not have this app, CLock app, or 
Calculator app.

On Apr 23, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Chinyoka on Macbook wrote:

> Hi Georges,
> 
> You have to delete the device backup of the device that's not working. Well, 
> every time you connect a device, iTunes tries to make a backup before any 
> syncing, so go to your iTunes Preferences. Navigate to the Devices page and 
> the first field you tab to should be "Backup". If you're on Mac, interact 
> with this Backup table, otherwise on Windows just use the Up and Down arrow 
> keys to locate the offending backup. The names of the backups will be the 
> same as the name of your device, so just highlight the one you wish to 
> remove. Then tab to "Remove" button and the device settings in the backup 
> will be deleted.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Ishe
> 
> On 23 Apr,2011, at 8:57 AM, Georges Zaynoun wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> 
>> First thing I wonder where is the weather app on the ipad2? I don't find it 
>> on the first page like on my old ipod touch 64gb which I bought last year.
>> 
>> Now comes the real geeky question for those of you who know a lot about 
>> itunes.
>> 
>> How do I clean iTunes from no longer wanted information about a certain iPad 
>> I've connected in the past so when I connect a new one I don't get 
>> suggestions about from which iPad I want to backup? In other words how do I 
>> delete info about old devices that were connected in the past and didn't 
>> work from the beginning?
>> 
>> I don't know which mistake I did yesterday when I connected an iPad and 
>> wanted to enable voiceover on it and I kept failing to do that although I 
>> checked voiceover and got the warning that vo will change the original 
>> gestures and although I pressed continue I was always returned back to the 
>> previous dialogue and the dialogue always came in a double window. I finally 
>> had to install iTunes on another machine that never had it before just to 
>> enable vo on this new iPad. I am in the process of purchasing yet another 
>> ipad2 and want to use it on this machine but don't want itunes to see info 
>> from the device that never worked, thanks.
>> 
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Re: mail starting up automatically

[Scott Howell]

Huh, good job I missed your note in this thread. EIther way we'll get him 
sorted out. 
Scott
On Apr 21, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Colin M wrote:

> Hi Chris!
> If you go to the doc, and go to mail in the doc, open vo+shift+m and in there 
> under options sub menu you should find you've got open at log in checked just 
> uncheck it and [maybe ] check keep in doc instead!
> Colin
> Qapla!
> 
> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
> 
> On 21 Apr 2011, at 07:16, Chris Snyder wrote:
> 
>> Hi gentlebeings,
>> For some reason, when I restart my Mac Mini, mail comes up automatically. I 
>> haven't been able to find a way to turn off that...feature. I've looked in 
>> preferences, in the menus and even system prefs. No joy. Any ideas?
>> 
>> Friendly,
>> Chris
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Re: mail starting up automatically

[Scott Howell]

Well it would seem you have enabled this perhaps in the DOck. :)
If you go to Mail in the Dock, perform a control click (right click) for VO 
this would be a VO-keys-shift-m and look for the options submenu, open that 
menu and press return on the option to launch Mail at login. I believe that is 
pretty much the correct wording for that option. If it is not there, I can 
think of one other possibility, but let's cross that bridge when and if we come 
to it.
Good luck,

HTH,

Scott
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> Hi gentlebeings,
> For some reason, when I restart my Mac Mini, mail comes up automatically. I 
> haven't been able to find a way to turn off that...feature. I've looked in 
> preferences, in the menus and even system prefs. No joy. Any ideas?
> 
> Friendly,
> Chris
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Re: Addictiv games for iPhone...

[Scott Howell]

Use VO-keys (control-option)-spacebar to select a piece and the same key 
combination to drop the piece on the intended square.
If you have an iOS device and enjoy chess, checkout CHess-Wise and/or Shredder 
Chess.

Scott
On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Gail the U. S. Male wrote:

> I used to play chess ages ago, and see it on my mac.  How do you go about
> selecting a piece, and moving it? And, any other info would be cool!  I like
> playing games, and I have messages about more, but I'll get into those
> later. Thanks.
> 
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> Subject: Re: Addictiv games for iPhone...
> 
> Being the crazy freek that I am, I find playing chess addictive and fun. I 
> do it at home, at work, whenever I get a moment free, and chess-wise is 
> great!
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> Warm regards,
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> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: Addictiv games for iPhone...
> 
> 
>> Hi folks.
>> Games have always been a topic here in this group, so now I'll come
>> back to it :)
>> Have anyone out there tried any addictive time-consuming games that's
>> also accessible for blind players?
>> Is there for example a "blind friendly" Angry Birds-like game out
>> there that someone have tried?
>> 
>> Hope to get good suggestions.
>> Kind regards David
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Re: braille and voice over?

[Scott Howell]

Hi Priscilla,

Welcome to the Mac. WEll I use a Refreshabraille, which is only 18 cells, but 
it works perfectly for me. I also use at the office a Brailliant, which is a 40 
cell display and works just fine. You can configure different key combinations 
of the display to perform various actions, so not much you cannot do in that 
case.
Basically Braille support for my needs is more than sufficient, but others will 
chime in with their opinions.
Now I am not sure about the display you currently have, so I hope someone can 
assist with that. 

Best of luck,
Scott

On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Priscilla Garces wrote:

> Hey all listers,
> I'm new to the Mac operating system being that I switched from windows after 
> I graduated from college.
> What made me switch is because of the cost effectiveness in terms of 
> accessibility out of the box. When I used a PC I used a screen reader called 
> jaws for windows and these can run from the range of $600 to upgrade and 
> $1000 to purchase the screen reader + the annual fee which is high in order 
> to maintain the SMA's. That is separate in addition to the cost of the 
> hardware itself based on research on the various costs of computers ranging 
> from 400 to $900 even more for quality computing. Another reason is the fact 
> that tech support is available for the computer in person and the time and 
> inconvenience in resolving the various troubles faced when using Jaws and the 
> added fact that you need sighted assistance which is not granted by phone. 
> With Apple I can go to the center which is near my house and have all of my 
> computer problems and even receive training on the accessibility depending on 
> the knowledge of the person who has experience with its use. That and many 
> other reasons most of them being financial and personal as well as the added 
> fact that the state refuses to pay for the upgrade or purchase of new 
> software to perform the appropriate tasks independently is the factor that 
> made me consider buying the mac being that I wanted to try something 
> different. Hence the long story I have questions regarding the use of braille 
> displays and the mac as well as scanning software that is accessible for mac 
> users using voiceover.
> Does anyone have experience using braille displays with the mac? If so, which 
> braille display do you use and what is your experiences with its ease of 
> reading, accessibility etc? Would the braille note be useful   a braille 
> display? Which braille displays are cheaper, the braille note or a standalone 
> braille display? I have an old braille lite millennium, would that work with 
> the mac? Because if it does that would be great and I won't have to deal with 
> the commission refusing to purchase anything and deal with the stress of 
> fighting them to get what I really need. If not I understand the need for new 
> equipment which I need for grad school or work anyway.
> Based on your experiences, which braille display or notetaker works better 
> with the mac? Also which scanning program works well with voice over based on 
> experience?
> 
> Any advise is appreciated.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: SOmething in the sidebar that won't go away

[Scott Howell]

Thanks Teresa and I should have mentioned I tried this. In fact it was the 
first thing I tried and incredibly there is no option to remove it. I'm not 
sure why this is, but it sure is strange. :)

Scott
On Apr 14, 2011, at 2:16 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I don't know if this would be available to you now, but have you tried 
> focussing on the item and pressing VO-shift-m to go to the contextual menu? 
> When I do that with items in my sidebar, there's an option that says "remove 
> from sidebar".
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Got a file that appears in the sidebar and the file no longer exists on my 
>> machine. So, how can I get rid of the entry that does not exist?
>> I did a search on Google and found an article that talks about editing the 
>> com.apple.sidebar.plist; however, I cannot locate the item. There are lots 
>> of numbers that are associated with aliases etc., but not sure I would just 
>> want to start hacking stuff out of the plist without knowing what may 
>> happen. I could of course delete the file, but that seems rather extreme and 
>> unproductive for one item.
>> So, any suggestions appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> THanks,
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Re: SOmething in the sidebar that won't go away

[Scott Howell]

Matt,

True I could do that. However, I was trying to find a solution that would not 
require such drastic measures. :) If I end up doing that then so be it, but 
like to see what my options are first. If I knew what all the stuff was in the 
plist file it may be possible to delete the offending entry. Unfortunately I 
cannot determine which is the correct entry. There are lots of alphanumeric 
strings, but none indicate the file name.

Scott
On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Not sure if deleting the file will cause any harm at all. It'll just recreate 
> it's self when you reboot your mac.
> I've deleted a lot of preference files and they've all come back when they 
> are needed although sometimes I did need to re assign all the preferences 
> again.
> On 2011-04-13, at 4:40 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Got a file that appears in the sidebar and the file no longer exists on my 
>> machine. So, how can I get rid of the entry that does not exist?
>> I did a search on Google and found an article that talks about editing the 
>> com.apple.sidebar.plist; however, I cannot locate the item. There are lots 
>> of numbers that are associated with aliases etc., but not sure I would just 
>> want to start hacking stuff out of the plist without knowing what may 
>> happen. I could of course delete the file, but that seems rather extreme and 
>> unproductive for one item.
>> So, any suggestions appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> THanks,
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SOmething in the sidebar that won't go away

[Scott Howell]

All,

Got a file that appears in the sidebar and the file no longer exists on my 
machine. So, how can I get rid of the entry that does not exist?
I did a search on Google and found an article that talks about editing the 
com.apple.sidebar.plist; however, I cannot locate the item. There are lots of 
numbers that are associated with aliases etc., but not sure I would just want 
to start hacking stuff out of the plist without knowing what may happen. I 
could of course delete the file, but that seems rather extreme and unproductive 
for one item.
So, any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks,
THanks,

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Re: Iphone vs. iPod?

[Scott Howell]

DOn't forget that the iPHone has GPS and the iPod does not. Of course you can 
always get an external receiver, but that's another discussion.
On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Well, one advantage that the iPhone has over the touch is that it can
> make calls, which is why I have it.
> If your comparing iPhones to iPod touches, the only difference between
> both of the 4th gen devices is that the iPhone has the ability to make
> calls and a better camera.
> 
> On 12/04/2011, Kliph&Sharrie  wrote:
>> So for those of you that own both, what are the pros and cons?  If you had
>> to choose between the 2, witch would it be?  Does the ipod do everything the
>> Iphone 4 does except talk, and beable to be on the move?  Thoughts, personal
>> preference?
>> 
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Re: Lost my Voiceover sounds on iPad

[Scott Howell]

Simon, you can configure the switch to either mute sounds or lock orientation. 
This setting is found in Settings. :) 
On Apr 10, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

> Thanks for these tips - I do appreciate your help. I did have the switch 
> moved to mute but I also thoughtt  - and was confused by the fact - that the 
> same switch is supposed to lock the screen orientation. I've got my sounds 
> bakc, and i am a happy man again. I have so many questions regarding iPad and 
> the learning curve is so very steep but I'm doing my best. Thank you all for 
> your support.
> 
> Simon
> On 10 Apr 2011, at 17:43, carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Simon:
>> Check your side switch.  if it got moved to mute, this could account for it. 
>>  Otherwise go into settings/sound and check your volume for sound.  
>> Sometimes it gets tweaked and acts differently.
>> 
>> hth
>> Carolyn
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> I've lost my Voiceover sounds on the iPad. Voiceover works fine but i can't 
>>> hear any of the feedback sounds i.g. when I touch the screen or type, or 
>>> activate a link, or any other such sounds. I don't know what's happened and 
>>> how I could have accomplished it, 
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Simon
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Re: Lost my Voiceover sounds on iPad

[Scott Howell]

Simon, first thing to check is to be sure the slide switch is in the up 
position. If the iPad is in portrait mode, the volume rocker is on the right, 
the switch above that should be pushed toward the top of the iPad.
If that is not the case try restarting the iPad.

Scott

On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

> Listers,
> 
> I've lost my Voiceover sounds on the iPad. Voiceover works fine but i can't 
> hear any of the feedback sounds i.g. when I touch the screen or type, or 
> activate a link, or any other such sounds. I don't know what's happened and 
> how I could have accomplished it, 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Simon
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Re: pop-ups on the iPad

[Scott Howell]

Simon,

You should be able to swipe through the popup. I encounter these quite often 
and have not had any problems with them. If you cannot swipe, you might need to 
place your finger on the screen to bring focus to that popup. Is there any 
specific app you are using where you encounter this problem?

Scott

On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> From time to time, when I work on the iPad, I get message pop-up window, 
> double-tap to dismiss. I can't however read what the pop-up says so I can 
> only dismiss it. Does anyone know what it is and how one could read the 
> message in it? I assume there's a message in the pop-up.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Simon
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

[Scott Howell]

Hey Ash, the Deskstar was an IBM product at one point as I recall. THose drives 
were initially quite good, but turned out to be complete garbage, but this was 
over 10 years ago and the 3.5 formfactor.
I know APple selects drives that are quiet and run as cool as possible. I have 
not kept up with the drive manufacturers lately. I am still thinking about 
getting a SSD, pull the optical drive from my MBP, and move the mechanical 
drive to that position. Don't know if I will actually do it, but sure giving it 
some thought. :)

Scott

On Apr 8, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Ashley Cox wrote:

> they're using wd in the iMacs and mac pros, and I think toshiba in the latest 
> macbooks. Dad's macbook pro has a wd in it.
> my mac mini had an hitachi drive which I upgraded when I started to get the 
> click of death. NOt all their drives are bad, just the deskstar ones as far 
> as I know.
> 
> ash
> On 07/04/2011 23:15, Scott Howell wrote:
>> That is funny Ashley, APple uses as far as I can tell Hitachi drives in all 
>> of their notebooks. So far I have not had any problems with either Mac 
>> notebook I own and my employer provided. I am not sure if they are using 
>> them in the iMacs, but pretty sure my wife's iMac has a WD.
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, ashley cox wrote:
>> 
>>> get one of the wd elements drives.
>>> avoid hitatchi or whaterver it's called.
>>> i've not had good luck with seagate iether, though other will probably 
>>> argue that one.
>>> samsung seams relyable also.
>>> 
>>> On 06/04/2011 21:35, Sarah May wrote:
>>>> Hi Big Boy,
>>>> 
>>>> My PC, Mac, and Braille Sense Plus don't have fire wire ports that I know
>>>> off.  I know that all of these devices have USB ports though.  So what
>>>> external hard drive should I go for then that will give me fast spped, lots
>>>> of memory, and not cost a lot?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
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>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bigboy529
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:52 PM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>>> Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and
>>>> pc
>>>> 
>>>> Hi I would rather go for a firewire drive as this would give you faster
>>>> transfer rates, go for a firewire drive if your mac, pc and other devices
>>>> have firewire ports. If not you also get hard drive enclosures which have
>>>> both a firewire and usb port...
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley Cox wrote:
>>>>> Any usb drive should do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ash
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 06/04/2011 18:52, Sarah May wrote:
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them
>>>>>> all in one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have
>>>>>> been using compact flash cards and junk drives, known as memory
>>>>>> sticks, but they don't provide enough space where I can fit
>>>>>> everything all at once.  I don't want to have to keep purchasing
>>>>>> expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family member of
>>>>>> mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
>>>>>> told her "that was a great idea!"  Now if I do this, which one
>>>>>> should I purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and
>>>>>> my Braille Sense Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where
>>>>>> I bring my Braille Sense Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV
>>>>>> shows while dialyizing.  Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the
>>>> Macbook, I'll bring that as well.
>>>>>> I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these
>>>>>> devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune
>>>>>> either.  If anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would
>>>>>> grately appreciate it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sarah
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Re: Tables in Safari Question

[Scott Howell]

WIthout seeing it I can only assume you need to interact with the cell. Can you 
provide the URL?

Scott

On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> All:
> I could use help. I do these survays, and they are layed out in tables. You 
> have a table with several columns, and you have to select your answers. For 
> example: 
> How often do you use the following products? Then you have a table with 
> several columns. Column 1 will have a list of products in each row, I.E. 
> tooth brush would be row 1, column 1. Makeup would be row 2, column 1, 
> dogfood row 3, column 1. The other columns would have titles like daily, once 
> a week, once a month, never. Each row in these columns would have check boxes 
> or radio buttons, and you check the box corosponding to each product.
> With Jaws, I'd press alt control right arrow, and alt control up and down to 
> navigate by columns and rows. I could check the appropriat check boxes. 
> I'm having problems on the Mac. I've tried this in DOM, and Group navigation 
> mode. I can navigate the tables, read each column and row header; however I 
> cannot check the checkboxes/radio buttons. The other rows appear blank; 
> however if I press vo u to bring up a list of input controls, I see a bunch 
> of check boxes, or radio buttons, so they are on the page. Any help would be 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

[Scott Howell]

That is funny Ashley, APple uses as far as I can tell Hitachi drives in all of 
their notebooks. So far I have not had any problems with either Mac notebook I 
own and my employer provided. I am not sure if they are using them in the 
iMacs, but pretty sure my wife's iMac has a WD.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, ashley cox wrote:

> get one of the wd elements drives.
> avoid hitatchi or whaterver it's called.
> i've not had good luck with seagate iether, though other will probably argue 
> that one.
> samsung seams relyable also.
> 
> On 06/04/2011 21:35, Sarah May wrote:
>> Hi Big Boy,
>> 
>> My PC, Mac, and Braille Sense Plus don't have fire wire ports that I know
>> off.  I know that all of these devices have USB ports though.  So what
>> external hard drive should I go for then that will give me fast spped, lots
>> of memory, and not cost a lot?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bigboy529
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:52 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and
>> pc
>> 
>> Hi I would rather go for a firewire drive as this would give you faster
>> transfer rates, go for a firewire drive if your mac, pc and other devices
>> have firewire ports. If not you also get hard drive enclosures which have
>> both a firewire and usb port...
>> 
>> Ashley Cox wrote:
>>> Any usb drive should do.
>>> 
>>> ash
>>> 
>>> On 06/04/2011 18:52, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them
 all in one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have
 been using compact flash cards and junk drives, known as memory
 sticks, but they don't provide enough space where I can fit
 everything all at once.  I don't want to have to keep purchasing
 expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family member of
 mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
 told her "that was a great idea!"  Now if I do this, which one
 should I purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and
 my Braille Sense Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where
 I bring my Braille Sense Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV
 shows while dialyizing.  Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the
>> Macbook, I'll bring that as well.
 I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune
 either.  If anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would
 grately appreciate it.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Sharing Apps Between IPhone and IPad

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You can share apps between the two devices.
On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> Can you share apps from one device to another? Say I pay for the RFB&D app, 
> can I put that on my IPad too or do I have to pay for it again?
> 
> Kev
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Re: General questions on mac mini

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Yes you would be able to upgrade to Lion provided this is an Intel-based Mac. 
There will be a number of differences and at this point it would be difficult 
to say what all of those differences will be. Lion is still in development, but 
will be incredible.

On Apr 4, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> So if we buy a say a macbook pro, you won't be able to upgrade to lion?  And
> what will be the major differences?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin M
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: General questions on mac mini
> 
> Hi Big Boy!
> Well as far as going out of date goes I think some people are still using
> Mac's that are quite old on this list!
> They will have to tell you!
> But why I'm writing is to say unless you are going for a older Mac  or you
> need one soon!
> I should hold off if you can until later this year for Lion is coming!
> 
> 10.7
> So you'll get the latest os if you can wait!
> All the best!
> Colin
> Qapla!
> 
> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
> 
> On 4 Apr 2011, at 11:06, bigboy529 wrote:
> 
>> Hi I am a blind person new to the Apple world, I am considering 
>> getting a mac mini. I've raid somewhere that the biggest disadvantage 
>> of a mac is that it gets out of date quickly, e.g. if I buy a 2010 mac 
>> mini with OS snow leopard 10.6, would I be able to install the latest 
>> mac OS and other latest software, on my mini in lets say 5 or 6 years?
>> The thing which will make it worth getting a mac is that it would last 
>> me longer than a pc without major upgrading and the extra money you 
>> pay for it makes it worth it because of the built in voiceover screen 
>> reader, where on pc I would have to buy expensive 3rd party software.
>> thanks for any help
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Re: mac question?

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Snow Leopard is the name for Mac OS 10.6.X, where X reflects the most recent 
build (i.e., 10.6.7). Lion is the next version of the Mac OS 10 family of 
operating systems and will be 10.7.

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> Please for give the ignorance.  But what’s snow leperd, and what is this lion 
> everyone is talking about?
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Re: cleaning out mac hard drive?

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It is very accessible for most functions. THe only thing that is not apparent 
is the warning window that you need to access via window chooser. THis window 
just warns you that data loss could occur, but hey anytime you start mucking 
about with the data, anything is possible. I want to do a podcast or at least a 
recording on this. SO, on my list of things to do and hope to get to it 
shortly. 
On Apr 3, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

> I've heard a lot about Drive Genious in a lot of hte Main stream mac 
> podcasts.  Exactly how accessible is this App?  
> On Apr 3, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Yes it does. I picked up a copy of Drive Genius more for its capabilities to 
>> repair damaged drives etc. An expensive program, but one that is worth 
>> having in the toolkit for sure. I'm also working with Prosoft Engineering on 
>> some tweaks to their Data Rescue package, which is again,perhaps a little 
>> expensive for some, but another tool well worth having when you consider the 
>> cost of data recovery services. :)
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Ashley Cox wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, true. there is a nice program called iDefrag if you really want to 
>>> defrag. But OSX does some defragmentation automatically.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/04/2011 11:14, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>> 
>>>> You are correct; however, if you work with large files or move a lot of 
>>>> data around, your drive can become fragmented and may require some help.I 
>>>> do not know about all the different utilities available, but I found Drive 
>>>> Genius at http://www.prosofteng.com that does a number of things as well 
>>>> as defrag the drive. Of course the most valuable features of this program 
>>>> is not defragging.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Howell
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:04, Ashley Cox  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> there is little to know defragmenting needed, and the mac doesn't use a 
>>>>> registry. Repair permissions and check the disk using disc utility. Then 
>>>>> under applications in utilities, go into terminal. In the terminal, type 
>>>>> this:
>>>>> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
>>>>> press enter, type your password, and press enter again. that'll run the 
>>>>> mac's built in maintanance scripts.
>>>>> ash
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 03/04/2011 02:38, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Can anyone recommend some free utilities to defragment a hard drive
>>>>>> and clear out registry? Here is how little I know about macs: do they
>>>>>> even use a registry? Does the file system fragment like Windows' ntfs?
>>>>>> I am asking on behalf of a friend who has an older mac with 10.4. TIA.
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Re: cleaning out mac hard drive?

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Yes it does. I picked up a copy of Drive Genius more for its capabilities to 
repair damaged drives etc. An expensive program, but one that is worth having 
in the toolkit for sure. I'm also working with Prosoft Engineering on some 
tweaks to their Data Rescue package, which is again,perhaps a little expensive 
for some, but another tool well worth having when you consider the cost of data 
recovery services. :)

On Apr 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Ashley Cox wrote:

> Yes, true. there is a nice program called iDefrag if you really want to 
> defrag. But OSX does some defragmentation automatically.
> 
> 
> On 03/04/2011 11:14, Scott Howell wrote:
>> Hi Ashley,
>> 
>> You are correct; however, if you work with large files or move a lot of data 
>> around, your drive can become fragmented and may require some help.I do not 
>> know about all the different utilities available, but I found Drive Genius 
>> at http://www.prosofteng.com that does a number of things as well as defrag 
>> the drive. Of course the most valuable features of this program is not 
>> defragging.
>> 
>> Scott Howell
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:04, Ashley Cox  wrote:
>> 
>>> there is little to know defragmenting needed, and the mac doesn't use a 
>>> registry. Repair permissions and check the disk using disc utility. Then 
>>> under applications in utilities, go into terminal. In the terminal, type 
>>> this:
>>> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
>>> press enter, type your password, and press enter again. that'll run the 
>>> mac's built in maintanance scripts.
>>> ash
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/04/2011 02:38, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Can anyone recommend some free utilities to defragment a hard drive
>>>> and clear out registry? Here is how little I know about macs: do they
>>>> even use a registry? Does the file system fragment like Windows' ntfs?
>>>> I am asking on behalf of a friend who has an older mac with 10.4. TIA.
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Re: cleaning out mac hard drive?

[Scott Howell]

Hi Ashley,

You are correct; however, if you work with large files or move a lot of data 
around, your drive can become fragmented and may require some help.I do not 
know about all the different utilities available, but I found Drive Genius at 
http://www.prosofteng.com that does a number of things as well as defrag the 
drive. Of course the most valuable features of this program is not defragging. 

Scott Howell
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:04, Ashley Cox  wrote:

> there is little to know defragmenting needed, and the mac doesn't use a 
> registry. Repair permissions and check the disk using disc utility. Then 
> under applications in utilities, go into terminal. In the terminal, type this:
> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
> press enter, type your password, and press enter again. that'll run the mac's 
> built in maintanance scripts.
> ash
> 
> 
> On 03/04/2011 02:38, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Can anyone recommend some free utilities to defragment a hard drive
>> and clear out registry? Here is how little I know about macs: do they
>> even use a registry? Does the file system fragment like Windows' ntfs?
>> I am asking on behalf of a friend who has an older mac with 10.4. TIA.
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Re: preview for files?

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Pressing spacebar will toggle this or command-y will work as well.

Scott
On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can somebody refresh my memory about how to turn off the feature where you 
> can preview your files as you have them highlighted, please?
> 
> Somehow, I've managed to turn this on somewhere on my mac, and now I can't 
> figure out how to turn it off!  This isn't a big deal, except that when I am 
> going down through a list of mp3 files, they start playing as I go over them! 
> Quite annoying when you're trying to rename them, move them, etc!
> 
> I've already had a look through the menu bar and system prefs with no luck, 
> but maybe I'm just missing it somehow..
> 
> thanks!
> 
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Re: getting an apple e-mail account with out subscribing to mobile me?

[Scott Howell]

That is correct. I have not seen anyway to get an e-mail address either.

On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> I do not think it is possible to get an Apple email address without either 
> being an Apple employee or paying for a mobile me account.
> 
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Scott Howell]

hi les,  Thanks I was not sure which keys, so Thanksfor correcting my error. 
Scott Howell
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 27, 2011, at 3:20, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I use the 6 key on my Connect to move down the options and the 3 key to go 
> the other way.
> 
> Les
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Sarai,
>> 
>> He is not able to hear the tones, but aside from this it seems he may have 
>> an older model or at least the steps I recall using on the Brailliant I have 
>> at the office are not working for him. I was trying to remember the steps 
>> since the Brailliant is at the office and I use a Refreshabraille at home.
>> If I recall, you use the first key in the vertical row on the right side, 
>> which is key 4 to move down through the options, is that not correct?
>> Just want to be sure I provided the proper keys for navigating through the 
>> menu options.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> You need to go in to the advanced options on the Brailliant. Hold down the 
>>> 1st and 40th curser router buttons. Then add the 1st and 4th vertical keys. 
>>> You'll hear a beep. Let up on the keys, and you'll be in the advanced menu 
>>> options, where you can change to Bluetooth.
>>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, James Gallagher wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello List sorry for taken up you time here with my Question
>>>> 
>>>> I am having some trouble with a Brailliant 40 Braille display
>>>> A very kind fellow member here on this list Mr Scott Howell
>>>> has been trying to help me and I have taken up a lot of his time over the 
>>>> past day or two. But Mr Howell has the new version of the Brailliant
>>>> 
>>>> I have the previous model that has plugs for a power adapter, serial 
>>>> connection, and USB . and I also believe that Scott is running the newer 
>>>> version
>>>> of the Firmware as I am not getting the same menus that Scott can find.
>>>> 
>>>> Right down to my question I am trying to get Bluetooth up and running on 
>>>> my Brailliant 40
>>>> And after many many days try and retrying i am still at the same point and 
>>>> that is no where.
>>>> 
>>>> when I put the display on and go down the menus I am only getting 4 or 5 
>>>> options 
>>>> I have read all the info in text format and this came with this Display so 
>>>> it is for it
>>>> but the Menu I am getting has only about 4 or 5 options and no matter what 
>>>> I try I can not get 
>>>> the a dot 7 or 8 under the cursor USB option but I can not find any where 
>>>> that has Bluetooth listed as well.
>>>> 
>>>> I am hoping that someone on the list is using a Brailliant 40 display that 
>>>> could help me here please to setup
>>>> the Bluetooth option I can not find any where on my manual that gives a 
>>>> clue about accessing an advanced menu
>>>> that will let me put on the Bluetooth option. 
>>>> 
>>>> I would be very grateful if you would be so kind to give me an  idiots 
>>>> guide on how I can do this Please
>>>> I only get a few menu options and after days and days I am still totally 
>>>> lost it is getting the best of me.
>>>> been using Braille notetakers for years and years with a Braille Lite 18 
>>>> Pacmate BX40 and many others
>>>> but this little thing has got me right and Good.
>>>> 
>>>> I am after Bluetooth now because I am going to buy myself the ipad 2 and I 
>>>> need a Display to access this as I can't hear Voiceover  I am Deafblind.
>>>> 
>>>> To save the list any trouble with e-mailings going to it my E-mail is  
>>>> ja...@deafblind.com
>>>> 
>>>> I would be grateful for any help here please as I do wish to buy a ipad 2 
>>>> and I need Bluetooth to access it.
>>>> 
>>>> My very best to you all.
>>>> 
>>>> Yours
>>>> James
>>>> 
>>>> The highest result of education is tolerance.
>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>> --
>>>> James Gallagher
>>>> 
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>>>> A Deafblindness Web Resource <http://www.deafblind.co.uk>
>>>> Learn more about Braille Chess at <

Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Scott Howell]

Sarai,

He is not able to hear the tones, but aside from this it seems he may have an 
older model or at least the steps I recall using on the Brailliant I have at 
the office are not working for him. I was trying to remember the steps since 
the Brailliant is at the office and I use a Refreshabraille at home.
If I recall, you use the first key in the vertical row on the right side, which 
is key 4 to move down through the options, is that not correct?
Just want to be sure I provided the proper keys for navigating through the menu 
options.

Scott

On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> You need to go in to the advanced options on the Brailliant. Hold down the 
> 1st and 40th curser router buttons. Then add the 1st and 4th vertical keys. 
> You'll hear a beep. Let up on the keys, and you'll be in the advanced menu 
> options, where you can change to Bluetooth.
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, James Gallagher wrote:
> 
>> Hello List sorry for taken up you time here with my Question
>> 
>> I am having some trouble with a Brailliant 40 Braille display
>> A very kind fellow member here on this list Mr Scott Howell
>> has been trying to help me and I have taken up a lot of his time over the 
>> past day or two. But Mr Howell has the new version of the Brailliant
>> 
>> I have the previous model that has plugs for a power adapter, serial 
>> connection, and USB . and I also believe that Scott is running the newer 
>> version
>> of the Firmware as I am not getting the same menus that Scott can find.
>> 
>> Right down to my question I am trying to get Bluetooth up and running on my 
>> Brailliant 40
>> And after many many days try and retrying i am still at the same point and 
>> that is no where.
>> 
>> when I put the display on and go down the menus I am only getting 4 or 5 
>> options 
>> I have read all the info in text format and this came with this Display so 
>> it is for it
>> but the Menu I am getting has only about 4 or 5 options and no matter what I 
>> try I can not get 
>> the a dot 7 or 8 under the cursor USB option but I can not find any where 
>> that has Bluetooth listed as well.
>> 
>> I am hoping that someone on the list is using a Brailliant 40 display that 
>> could help me here please to setup
>> the Bluetooth option I can not find any where on my manual that gives a clue 
>> about accessing an advanced menu
>> that will let me put on the Bluetooth option. 
>> 
>> I would be very grateful if you would be so kind to give me an  idiots guide 
>> on how I can do this Please
>> I only get a few menu options and after days and days I am still totally 
>> lost it is getting the best of me.
>> been using Braille notetakers for years and years with a Braille Lite 18 
>> Pacmate BX40 and many others
>> but this little thing has got me right and Good.
>> 
>> I am after Bluetooth now because I am going to buy myself the ipad 2 and I 
>> need a Display to access this as I can't hear Voiceover  I am Deafblind.
>> 
>> To save the list any trouble with e-mailings going to it my E-mail is  
>> ja...@deafblind.com
>> 
>> I would be grateful for any help here please as I do wish to buy a ipad 2 
>> and I need Bluetooth to access it.
>> 
>> My very best to you all.
>> 
>> Yours
>> James
>> 
>> The highest result of education is tolerance.
>> Hellen Keller
>> --
>> James Gallagher
>> 
>> A-Z to Deafblindness <http://www.deafblind.com>
>> A Deafblindness Web Resource <http://www.deafblind.co.uk>
>> Learn more about Braille Chess at <http://www.BrailelChess.com>
>> My Guide Dogs <http://www.wilma.co.uk>
>> For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at <http://tagtag.com/deafblind>
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Re: ICal question

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Try command-1 for day view and perhaps this will help or command-2 for week 
view.

hth
Scott
On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Jes Smith wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Something really strange is happening with ICal. Whenever I create an event 
> and then scroll to the particular date on which that event falls, I can't get 
> the events corresponding to that day.
> For example, if I have an event at 3 pm on April 15th, I go to April 15, but 
> don't see the event for just that day.
> Any help?
> Jes
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Re: 10.6.7 definetely smoother, and a Question

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Teresa,

Yes. If you navigate through the Software Update screen, you will find an html 
area that contains release notes. YOU are not likely to find much information 
about accessibility directly, but there is information that might be of 
interest. I do not recall if you have to click on the details button first 
before it appears or not, but hope that helps.

Scott
On Mar 22, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I'm liking it already. I left it to do its installing thing while I puttered 
> around the house, and it was ready to go when I came back to it. It's 
> snappier for sure, and I haven't had the spontaneous activation of 
> quick-navigation mode, either. (touch wood!)
> 
> This discussion brings me to a question. Is there a way to view release notes 
> for each update to look at the changes that were made?
> 
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Re: Nuance - PDF Converter for Mac with omnipage ocr

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Well I grabbed this and oh boy it is not very pretty. Lots of unlabeled buttons 
with no help tags. Well ok, that is not the worst of it. The most significant 
problem is you cannot get access to the pdf content. So, hopefully I can find 
someone who will talk to me about this because as is the app is of little 
value. I did send a file off to their server, but have yet to see it come back 
via e-mail.

Scott

On Mar 19, 2011, at 4:45 PM, .dan. wrote:

> 
> I heard a presentation of this product on a radio computer show.
> 
> In short it manipulates pdf documents extensively to and from many formats 
> and can edit content plus more.  To use an image of a text document as text 
> it uses omnipage ocr software.
> 
> It sells for $99 and has a free trial.  Someone might want to see if it works 
> with vo.
> 
> See it at:
> 
> http://www.nuance.com/products/pdf-converter-mac/index.htm
> 
> It is also a good ocr solution even if the file to be converted is not a pdf 
> file. To do the ocr part it uses software on the nuance servers so there is a 
> small local hd footprint and doesn't depend on local computer horsepower to 
> do the job.  Scan a document or use an existing file and send it off to them 
> for conversion into text.
> 
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Re: One more question.

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Ah, ok now I recall where I had seen this. Funny, I just checked my employer's 
Mac and it does have this installed. SO, if they have it installed, I can be 
assured it works perfectly because they are incredibly careful about what goes 
on these machines. :)

On Mar 21, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Ashley Cox wrote:

> No, It doesn't come pre-installed on the mac. If you have vmware fusion, it's 
> in the installer selection, if not go here:
> http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/
> for a commercial product, paragon ntfs for mac is here:
> http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-mac/
> HTH!
> Ash
> On 20/03/2011 21:30, Scott Howell wrote:
>> Ashley, is this still experimental? I was under the impression this was not 
>> 100%. If that is not the case, then that is a very good deal for folks. Of 
>> course you have to install this since it does not come preinstalled on the 
>> Mac unless things have changed very recently.
>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Ashley Cox wrote:
>> 
>>> No, you can use mac fuse or paragon NTFS for mac to read and write to NTFS 
>>> drives.
>>> 
>>> On 20/03/2011 18:35, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:
>>>> Regarding external drives, is it still necessary for one to format in 
>>>> phat32 if sharing between the Mac and PC are the overall aim? I'd read 
>>>> that once, but it was a while ago, so I wasn't sure whether or not it's 
>>>> still the case.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks guys
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @IndigoCellist
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Re: Upgrading Ram.

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Depends on what your upgrading. An iMac or MacBook/MacBook Pro is pretty easy 
and actually the new Mac Mini is very easy. THe older Mac Mini is more 
challenging. SO, in general it is pretty easy.
On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:05 PM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:

> Me again,
> 
> Subject says it all really. For those of you who have done it, is doing this 
> through Apple proper advisable, or is doing it oneself more economically 
> sound? I've done it before to PC's, and therefore am capable, just am curious 
> as to what you suggest on the Mac side of the spectra. 
> 
> Thanks for putting up with my newbe preparatory questions.
> 
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Re: One more question.

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Ashley, is this still experimental? I was under the impression this was not 
100%. If that is not the case, then that is a very good deal for folks. Of 
course you have to install this since it does not come preinstalled on the Mac 
unless things have changed very recently.

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> No, you can use mac fuse or paragon NTFS for mac to read and write to NTFS 
> drives.
> 
> On 20/03/2011 18:35, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:
>> Regarding external drives, is it still necessary for one to format in phat32 
>> if sharing between the Mac and PC are the overall aim? I'd read that once, 
>> but it was a while ago, so I wasn't sure whether or not it's still the case.
>> 
>> Thanks guys
>> 
>> 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Making the switch soon, but first, a few preliminary questions.

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Well let me try to answer your questions.

FIrst I have no idea what you mean with regard to the disc being read to fast. 
I've ripped manyCDs in iTunes and unless there was a problem with the disc 
itself, I have not had any problems and especially with books. I do however 
recommend AUdiobook BUilder, which is about $10. I do not have the URL handy, 
but a Google search would get it for you. THis is a nice app because it takes 
care of everything and once finished it puts the audio book in iTunes; all 
sorted, tagged, etc.
As far as jumping from sources table to the table that contains the material is 
first be sure your iTunes is set to view mode to list, which is not the 
default. Once this is done, the sources and material appear to VOiceOver as a 
table and VO-command-t and VO-command-shift-t will take you forward and 
backward respectively through tables. THe VO or VOiceOver keys is control and 
option held down. THis might seem a foreign thing to do initially, but I think 
you will catch on quickly and this is only answering your questions since there 
is so much more to learn and information available to get you going.

Scott

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> hello all,
> 
> After hanging back, and watching from the sidelines for the last little 
> while, I've decided to at last go ahead, and become a switcher. I've had 
> little but a few cursory plays with a Mac at the Apple store, but that bit of 
> experience, as well as the progress made with iOS, which I use on a daily 
> basis for everything from my communication needs, to entertainment, to web 
> browsing, has decided me.
> 
> My questions are as follows:
> 
> 1. on the windows side of things, I do a lot of extracting audiobooks on CD. 
> My current method of accomplishing this is SoundForge, because it permits me 
> to control the drive speed, so there aren't errors in the finished product. I 
> attempted this with iTunes, but even with error-correction engaged, it still 
> reads too quickly. Is there a means on the Mac side of things for 
> accomplishing this?
> 
> 2. How precisely does one go about navigating from the sources area of 
> iTunes, to the lists of either books, songs/albums, or apps? As I said, I've 
> only had a minimum of play time with the Mac, so that one is more-than-likely 
> a no-brainer, but it is one I wasn't immediately able to figure out in the 
> limited time I had at the time.
> 
> Sorry for the verbose nature of these questions. Perhaps I should turn off 
> speak-hints in myself. :D
> 
> Thanks for any/all answers in advance
> 
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Re: Is This Normal When Using Text Edit?

[Scott Howell]

I'd have to concur. Standard RTF files should not have garbage in them. I'm 
going to assume then that you are not opening these in Microsoft WOrd and 
saving them again? I cannot think of any other reason why you would have 
garbage in your files unless it was opened in a different program. I can't 
imagine any other reason and seems odd there would be a problem with conversion 
if opening in Text Edit. Very interesting.

Scott

On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Christine,
> I must admit I'm stumped if all you're doing is saving RTF.  I've done this 
> many times and never ran into any problems of the sort you describe.  If you 
> were somehow opening the RTF file as a text file, without the proper 
> conversions, garbage is understandable.  Other than that, I'm not sure at all 
> what the issue might be.
> Sorry I'm not more helpful.  
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Mar 20, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> I'm not converting anything, merely writing a document and saving it as an 
>> rtf file. When I go back into it, there's garbage at the top and backslashes 
>> wherever I put in a "new line". 
>> When I have converted  Word files in rtf, then gone in to read/review them, 
>> there has been  no such problem.
>> Christine
>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Christine,
>>> 
>>> Editing on a Mac using VoiceOver is different than using Windows and a 
>>> windows screen reader. Some may explain it more effectively; however, has 
>>> to do with how the cursor behaves. Not sure about the characters in the 
>>> document, but sounds like a conversion problem.
>>> 
>>> Scott Howell
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:50, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello, everyone.  I am rather frustrated with Text Edit.n  Whenever I 
>>>> review something I've written (after saving,) there is always a whole lot 
>>>> of numbers letters, and symbols at the top of the file.  Also, whenever I 
>>>> enter a "new line" there appears a backslash.  What is going on?  Does 
>>>> this get sent with the file if I attach it to an e-mail?  Thus far, the 
>>>> only thing I've been able to do is erase all the symbols at the top, then 
>>>> edit the file for backslashes. 
>>>> A somewhat related question: is there a way, simply by using the keys and 
>>>> without switching from words to characters and vice bersa, to move to 
>>>> characters -- I can read by character, but although cursor tracking is on, 
>>>> I always seem to be at the beginning or end of a word, rather than on the 
>>>> character being read. 
>>>> Additionally, sometimes when VO says a particular word, I am at the end, 
>>>> and other times I am at the beginning.  This makes editing frustrating.  
>>>> How can I tell where I am? Thanks. 
>>>> Christine (slowly transitioning from Windows and Word) . . . 
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Re: One more question.

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Yes mam that is correct. 
On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:35 PM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:

> Regarding external drives, is it still necessary for one to format in phat32 
> if sharing between the Mac and PC are the overall aim? I'd read that once, 
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> 
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Re: Is This Normal When Using Text Edit?

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Christine,

Editing on a Mac using VoiceOver is different than using Windows and a windows 
screen reader. Some may explain it more effectively; however, has to do with 
how the cursor behaves. Not sure about the characters in the document, but 
sounds like a conversion problem.

Scott Howell
Sent from my iPad

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> Hello, everyone.  I am rather frustrated with Text Edit.n  Whenever I review 
> something I've written (after saving,) there is always a whole lot of numbers 
> letters, and symbols at the top of the file.  Also, whenever I enter a "new 
> line" there appears a backslash.  What is going on?  Does this get sent with 
> the file if I attach it to an e-mail?  Thus far, the only thing I've been 
> able to do is erase all the symbols at the top, then edit the file for 
> backslashes. 
> A somewhat related question: is there a way, simply by using the keys and 
> without switching from words to characters and vice bersa, to move to 
> characters -- I can read by character, but although cursor tracking is on, I 
> always seem to be at the beginning or end of a word, rather than on the 
> character being read. 
> Additionally, sometimes when VO says a particular word, I am at the end, and 
> other times I am at the beginning.  This makes editing frustrating.  How can 
> I tell where I am? Thanks. 
> Christine (slowly transitioning from Windows and Word) . . . 
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Re: some apple mail questions

[Scott Howell]

In short yes and yes.
Apple Mail can handle exchange, imap, and pop without any difficulty. Mail will 
even add meeting requests etc. to iCal.
Text Edit is quite capable at handling Word docs, but there may be some 
limitations such as documents that use macros and the like. I don't use such 
features in my line of work, so can only speak to this from the perspective 
that most WOrd docs I have encountered read fine in Text Edit. Of course these 
apps are default on the machine when you get it. You can always get Pages or 
Open Office if you want to do more. Of course you will get plenty of feedback 
from other users as well with their thoughts/opinions on this topic.

Scott

On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:32 PM, Kliphton Senior wrote:

> Hello, haven’t received my mac just yet, but I’m coming from windows, and I’m 
> a custom to a few things.  And I’d  like to know if it’s available in some 
> form in apple mail.  I use outlook from the office suite, and there I can 
> access multiple email accounts, contacts, appointments, and tasks all in one 
> place.  Is this possible with apple mail?  Plus, I have a few hundred 
> documents in word form, is there a program that allows me to read these 
> documents without having to run a dool boot of windows?  Thanks.
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Re: 1Password on the Mac

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Robert,

This is interesting since I have it here and have ben running it for a while 
and have not encountered that issue. Two suggestions is first turn VO off/on, 
which you may have done. Second perhaps logout and back in.
Let me know if either help. THis is a curious one.
On Mar 15, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Robert Carter wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am attempting to use 1Password on the Mac. I downloaded it and my 
> unarchiver software unzipped it. I moved the 1Password app to my applications 
> folder and opened it. All VoiceOver tells me is that 1Password has no 
> windows. There are no menus or anything. What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Robert Carter
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Re: Problem in the address book

[Scott Howell]

This is a known issue and will be addressed.
On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am experiencing problem in the address book in that the Mac voice does not 
> say the number when I typed the phone number.
> How does one resolve this?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cheok Cheng Ann
> cheokcheng...@gmail.com
> http://www.chengann.com/
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Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?

[Scott Howell]

I am not experiencing this on any of the Macs I am using.
Two MBPs and an iMac. THis is an interesting problem.

On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Robert Carter wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get 
> VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the 
> VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and 
> VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon.
> 
> It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I 
>> do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am 
>> using Mail.
>> 
>> Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to "unload 
>> itself," and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO 
>> decides to make an appearance.  Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. 
>> I can't make it disappear at will.
>> 
>> Has anyone else encountered this problem?  If not, what might be causing it? 
>>  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
>> 
>> My best to all of you,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: a helping hand for developers in assessing their accessibility

[Scott Howell]

Yuma,

Yes this does help and thanks for the reminder. I was doing some testing a 
while back for someone on a website and f7 does ring a bell. SO, time to go 
break stuff. :)

THanks,

On Mar 8, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> The developer tools are all included in the DVD if my memory serves me right, 
> they are part of the xcode bundle unless those accessibility tools have been 
> recently added with the latest version.
> 
> If the app uses a standard coco framework, the elements are broken down with 
> information on whether a specific accessibility class has been plugged or 
> not, i haven't looked too far into it but it shows all of your open 
> applications so its good to close them all except the one you want to 
> investigate.
> 
> There is also the accessibility inspector but i'm not sure how to work it out 
> yet. I believe it locks unto an element on a selected application and when 
> you hit command f7 the relevant information displays in the empty text box of 
> the dev tool. There are however no help files that come with the inspector 
> 
> On the other hand, here is an excerpt in the accesibility verifier's help 
> document:
> 
> Accessibility Verifier is a tool to help ensure your application will work 
> well with the built-in accessibility features of Mac OS X. This tool provides 
> runtime checking of an application's menus, windows, controls, and other UI 
> elements, and reports information about accessibility data and attributes 
> associated with those elements.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps 
> 
> Yuma 
> 
> 
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Re: a helping hand for developers in assessing their accessibility

[Scott Howell]

Yuma,

Are the tools provided on the DVD (and updated via software date) the same or 
can you get additional tools. ALso just to clarify, if I have an app that has 
issues, can I use this inspector to look at the controls etc. and provide the 
developer feedback? There is a specific reason for the specific question. :) 
I'm working with a developer and want to try and provide more than just 
feedback and want to make sure I can provide as much information as possible 
including screen shots as appropriate. Any advice/input would be appreciated.

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Re: macbook air vs ipad 2

[Scott Howell]

Scott,

You are perhaps right, but my numbers were really only for illustrative 
purposes. I did not spend time researching the cost of producing cells nor the 
cost of paying employees. I don't disagree with the employment aspect, but the 
devil truly in this case is in the details. :)

On Mar 7, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> you're dead on right with your comments although I think your scales / 
> numbers are even at their reduced level to high.
> 
> Realistically, how many braille devices are sold per year?  1000, maybe?  
> Maybe a few hundred?  
>   With costs being fixed such as over head and payroll you have to make X 
> times more per sale if you only make a few hundred sales per year.
>   Look at how people argue and fight as it is, there's no way you'd get 
> the various vendors to conspire to keep prices high.  I think basic economics 
> does this well enough already.
> 
> Remember too though just to counter you a little that more than one 
> accessibility provider pays their employees little enough that they can 
> remain on SSI and get the medical / medicade and financial coverage with out 
> having to pay out of their pockets.  So the tax payers are funding the 
> payrolls of some of these vendors.
> 
> Still though I think the economies of scale are what's causing the issue.
> 
> Thanks
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Re: macbook air vs ipad 2

[Scott Howell]

Ture, but I was using that for illustrative purposes. There is no question 
those little buggers cost a chunk for sure. I have no idea how they are 
produced, but probably takes some special equipment. I wonder if I could find 
an article on how Braille cells are made, h think I shall Google it. :)
You do make a good point about Braille literacy, which it seems Braille is sort 
of dying a slow death or so some stats say. 


On Mar 7, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Actually try maybe a few hundred per cell but you do make a good oint. If 
> only we had all blind  and vi people reading  braille then we would  have a 
> higher demand for braille desplays lol!

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Re: macbook air vs ipad 2

[Scott Howell]

Yes sir that is a good point. I got on a role and neglected to add that to the 
mix. :)

On Mar 7, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> Scott, To add to your point, consider that our dollar has been devaluated to 
> the point that, when goods and services are imported to the US, our foreign 
> competitors can flood our shores with things that are sometimes cheaper than 
> what American companies can make them.  Therefore, I would venture to say, 
> there are more factors to consider than supply and demand.  Richie 
> Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
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Re: macbook air vs ipad 2

[Scott Howell]

In reading this thread, I feel compelled to present a different argument to the 
high cost of Braille displays and thus will play devil's advocate here. It is 
possible that the high cost of Braille displays may be related to the fact that:
1. There is a small market, which means the cost will be naturally higher in 
order to offset the fact that fewer units would be purchased.
2. The cost of the components are produced at a much lower rate than the parts 
for other technology. FOr example, the cost of a display to be used in a 
monitor may be produced by the millions where the cells of a Braille display 
may be produced by the tens of thousands. This would mean that perhaps a lcd 
screen might cost $20 and the cells for a Braille display may be $20 per cell. 
3. The cost of research and development is more do to the uniqueness of the 
product and specialized skill set.
4. Less competition in the market. COnsider that although several vendors sell 
Braille displays, only a few manufacturers actually produce them. In fact Baum 
makes displays they sell with their own name, but they also produce displays 
for APH, Human Ware, and perhaps others.

There has been examples of how developers of adaptive technologies have 
produced products for less than hundreds and sold them for thousands. However, 
my argument stated above would justify this to some extent. COnsider that any 
company produces a product for X dollars and sells it for Y dollars. The X cost 
has to take into consideration research and development, marketing, 
distribution, and other overhead. Does this justify the cost of what most 
Braille displays? I could not answer that question because I have no idea what 
it really costs to produce such a device. I suppose you could make the argument 
that the research and development has probably been paid for several times 
over, but consider that innovation of new features and technology has not 
stopped either. I imagine if Braille displays were sold by the hundreds of 
thousands or millions the cost would be considerably less. So, I have not seen 
any evidence presented that supports the argument that "intrenched" providers 
artificially inflate prices to control the market at the expense of consumers. 
If there is some evidence to support this then great, but consider what you are 
saying would mean there is a conspiracy among the manufacturers and vendors. 
Does make for a fascinating discussion.

On Mar 7, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Yeppers. That's why. 
> 
> On 07/03/2011, at 11:05, "Cheree Heppe"  wrote:
> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> 
>> Is that why we don't have universal, affordable, Braille displays? Because 
>> intrenched providers are holding new development and innivation back to 
>> benefit current high priced offerings?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Cheree Heppe
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Scott Granados" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:32
>> Subject: Re: macbook air vs ipad 2
>> 
>> 
>> Apple isn't going to car if some nat of a company like fS brings legal 
>> action.
>> 
>> Apple can simply use stalling tactics and let them run out of money spinning 
>> their wheels.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jane wrote:
>> 
>>> We're assuming they will do Braille. That'd be neat, *if* they can pull it 
>>> off and *if* Braille display makers don't push them out of the market by 
>>> constantly suing.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah don't forget it's thinner. When haptics comes out think of the screen 
 room you wil have for braille right there.
 On Mar 5, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Cheree wrote:
 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> I like the IPad, actually.
> 
> I went for the I-devicees first because they open a very intuitive, easy 
> entre into the Apple environment.  No commands and keystroke chording and 
> what seemed to me a quick start interface.
> 
> In a bit, I'm ggoing to get an Air or Mac, but would have done so with 
> much more trepidation if not having tried the I-devices first.
> 
> As to the base measurements of a PacMate being smaller than an IPad, 
> true, but that's only a single dimension.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 05/03/2011, at 19:07, "David Tanner"  wrote:
> 
>> Well, let's see, the iPad is clunkier to carry around than an iPhone or 
>> iTouch.  The iPad is almost as expensive as buying the basic MacBook Pro 
>> 13 with two gigabytes of memory, and the processor in the new iPad is 
>> only a 1.0 gigahert duel core processor.  The MacBook Pro 13 has a lot 
>> faster processor than that and so does the Ayer if you want to pay the 
>> higher price for solid state memory instead of a hard drive.
>> 
>> The iPad makes me think of all the blind folks that have complained 
>> about the size of the PacMate QT.  In fact, I don't th

Re: magic trackpad

[Scott Howell]

I imagine it works similarly to the regular mouse. THe limited time I spent 
with it was not as usable as the trackpad, but hey I guess it depends on what 
you want to do. :) ALthough the mouse is pretty neat looking.
On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Colin M wrote:

> Hi there!
> I've got the magic mouse and that also works with vo!
> Although I've not used it fully, what I have done has worked no problem!
> Colin
> Qapla!
> 
> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
> 
> On 7 Mar 2011, at 11:21, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> The Magic Trackpad does work with VO and you are thinking of the mouse.
>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd heard it didn't work with VO, but maybe I'm wrong there. Are the
>>> Magic Trackpad, and the Magic Mouse different things? I think I'm
>>> thinking of magic mouse, or mighty mouse, or whatever the hell Apple
>>> called it LOL.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 4:07 am, Bart Bunting  wrote:
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> 
>>>> You need to hold down the vo key and make a clockwise cyrcle with two to
>>>> enable the trackpad commander.
>>>> 
>>>> Then it should work fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Reverse, that is anti clockwise to turn it off.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Bart
>>>> 
>>>> fingers
>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:22:17 -0800 (PST), David Geiger 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hey guys  i got the magic trackpad  and paired it up  it is detected
>>>>> but i cannot figure out how to control voiceover  with it  what do i
>>>>> need to do i want to use it as a commander  if it dont work with vo
>>>>> please tell me so i can take it back please
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Re: magic trackpad

[Scott Howell]

The Magic Trackpad does work with VO and you are thinking of the mouse.
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Chris Norman wrote:

> I'd heard it didn't work with VO, but maybe I'm wrong there. Are the
> Magic Trackpad, and the Magic Mouse different things? I think I'm
> thinking of magic mouse, or mighty mouse, or whatever the hell Apple
> called it LOL.
> 
> On Mar 7, 4:07 am, Bart Bunting  wrote:
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> You need to hold down the vo key and make a clockwise cyrcle with two to
>> enable the trackpad commander.
>> 
>> Then it should work fine.
>> 
>> Reverse, that is anti clockwise to turn it off.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Bart
>> 
>> fingers
>>  On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:22:17 -0800 (PST), David Geiger 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hey guys  i got the magic trackpad  and paired it up  it is detected
>>> but i cannot figure out how to control voiceover  with it  what do i
>>> need to do i want to use it as a commander  if it dont work with vo
>>> please tell me so i can take it back please
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Re: iPad (3G/WiFi) vs iPhone/iPod Touch

[Scott Howell]

I think it will depend upon the app. For example and this is probably not the 
best example, but it comes to mind immediately. For games such as chess, the 
larger area would be very helpful. Web browsing provides more room to navigate 
and thus more info is displayed. THe brief play I had a while ago revealed that 
menus required less double tapping here and there, and perhaps less swiping. 
Like I said, I think it will come down to what you are most comfortable with 
and what provides you the most flexibility.
I for one love my iPHone and cannot imagine life without one. :) Ok, a little 
extreme, but seriously, I use my phone for so much it surprises me sometimes. 
The fact I can put it in my pocket and carry books, music, check e-mail, and so 
forth is just great. Of course my pockets are not quite large enough for the 
iPad, but I can see uses for it.

On Mar 6, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:

> Yes I agree. I will admit I have an ipad, but I most often will use my ipod 
> or iphone if I need to do something on either of them. all though I do like 
> the ipad over the ipod or iphone for the news apps, by the way I forgot to 
> say I am a total I have no sight other then a little light in my right eye. 
> Thanks ED
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Re: Question about backup

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When Lion comes out you will be able to upgrade over the existing OS. If you 
make a duplicate of the drive, your preferences etc. will come along for the 
ride and of course will be there should something go wrong during any upgrade. 
Always good when possible to have a mirror copy.
Scott





On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> You just copyt he library folder I believe. or you reinstall yoru apps.
> 
> Take care.
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard wrote:
> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> I have a question about backing up my harddrive with OS X 10.6. How do I 
>> restore my preferences for my applications if I won't restore the complete 
>> OS?
>> I am thinking of using Carbon copy cloner to this task, and it would  save 
>> me a lot of time if I could migrate my preferences and mail accounts etc. 
>> but what do I do when Lion comes out? Do I need to start all over again? 
>> What did some of you do when SnowLeopard came out or even before SnowLeopard?
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
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Re: Verizon to Drop Unlimited iPhone Data Plans as Soon as This Summer

[Scott Howell]

Michael,

Not sure exactly what your saying here; however, VZW is not pulling a bait and 
switch really. THey are doing exactly what AT&T did, but in considerably less 
time. VZW is concerned about data hogs, but gee their network according to them 
can handle anything. Aside from that, it really is a way to control users and 
all about the bottom line. I assume what your saying about the cost of the 
phone pertains to the phone itself? Well I imagine once the next iPHone is 
available the cost of the iPhone 4 currently on VZW's network will see a price 
reduction as well and might fit your budget.
Scott





On Mar 3, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:

> yeah  by the time i can afford an I phone I will get screwed   why am I not 
> suprised that verizon wil lbe doing a bait and switch  and if i DID have a 
> contract and when I renewed they wouldn't le tme keep unlimited I'm shove the 
> phone up the most convenient oriface and give upif the droid keeps 
> getting better I'll be gettin gone of those instead I suspect  as it is i 
> can't afford to spend almost 100 for a phone
> 
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 9:29 PM, James Mannion wrote:
> 
>> I really think it is because mobile networks are not able yet to
>> handel people putting unlimited demands for data access on them. Any
>> network has its upper limits and mobile networks are still less able
>> to handel demand than land line networks. If they put limits that
>> serve a purpose, but are not over limiting, that keeps people from
>> constantly doing things like streaming the most data intensive video
>> stuff and whatever else they can fid with no concern of any
>> consequences to themselves, bringing down the entire network so nobody
>> can do anything and then everybody is left unhappy. People will be a
>> little more reasonable with what they do if there is a cost to them.
>> Having said that, AT&T's netwrk can not even handel the limited use in
>> some areas including the city where I live. During the day I can not
>> even pull up a small web page on AT&T's 3g network. It simply times
>> out. I can not stream pandora, I can barely use the weather app to
>> pull its small amount of data. Since my contract is almost up, I have
>> signed on with Verizon and I can tell you that right now their network
>> actually works in my area. My understanding is that this exact
>> situation is not uncommon at all. Maybe Verizon will manage their
>> resources and growth in a way that does not create another AT&T.
>> 
>> On 3/1/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> what's the theory behind VZ droping its unlimited data plan? read more:
>>> 
>>> http://bit.ly/e7omui
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Re: some good and some possibly bad news for bo users

[Scott Howell]

Mary I stumble over it as a set of video controls. THis was an Apple insider 
article.
Scott





On Mar 2, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> I looked for the links for the voice samples and did not find them. The tuaw 
> article has a link to the source, and that source supposedly had links for 
> samples. I went there, found the article and the link to comments but not the 
> voice links. Where did I go wrong?
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: some good and some possibly bad news for bo users

[Scott Howell]

Guys relax. I heard a sample of the voices and sorry I should have posted the 
article, but someone will. I have to say the new voices sound great and 
certainly no worse than Alex. So, I think we're going to be in for a real 
treat. In fact the voices will be a download option as well, so you won't have 
to have every voice on your machine.
I really think folks will like them. Of course I don't mind the Samantha voice 
on the iOS platform all that much, but hell she grows on you after a while; 
sort of like mold. :)
Scott





On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:58 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Well, voices are totally subjective, and I can't speak for other languages, 
> but I'd much rather have US espeak than tom or samantha.  To me those voices 
> sound like complete garbage.
> 
> Every ear is different though.  Some of my clients love those voices.  
> Personally I think it will be a grand day when alex is ported to IOS.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2011-03-02, at 12:42 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Oh come on, the scansoft voices ain't so bad, be thankful it isn't espeak or 
>> Orpheus. I for one think that the swedish scansoft voices are way way better 
>> in terms of language treatment than the Infovox ones.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 2 mar 2011 kl. 17.46 skrev Mary Otten:
>> 
>>> According to the article found at
>>> http://www.tuaw.com/
>>> Mac OS 10 offers high quality multi-lingual voices,
>>> There are going to be a whole lot of high quality voices, in a variety of 
>>> languages, available for download in the next iteration of Apple's os. For 
>>> me, the one possible sour note was the reference to Samantha and Tom as an 
>>> improvement over Alex that we have now. I hope this will not mean that 
>>> Apple will decide to retire Alex in favor of what are, for me at least, 
>>> vastly inferior voices in Samantha and Tom. There will be other English 
>>> voices, the ones we know on the IPhone. Indeed, it sounds like the voices 
>>> that are coming to Lion are those we now have on the I-devices. Great for 
>>> speakers of languages other than English. Great for folks who prefer a 
>>> non-U.S. English reading voice. But a definite leap backwards if they can 
>>> Alex in favor of what's on the IPhone now, even if they include the male 
>>> voice.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Mary Otten
>>> motte...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Scott Howell]

Sarah that is not accurate. NLS in fact could develop an app and you can bet 
this is being quietly explored. NLS may not publicly saying little or nothing, 
but there has been messages posted that would suggest different. So, never say 
never and here is something else to consider. It would be more cost-effective 
for NLS to leverage the iOS platform then producing players. And imagine if 
they sold the app for $20 and the money they could make, but getting ahead of 
myself. :) They may not be able to make a profit, but would help them in these 
difficult budget times.


Scott
Sent from my iPhone. 

On Mar 1, 2011, at 16:01, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> No. nls is under a different set of legislation then rfbd so they in theory 
> will never develop an app for iphone.
> 
> Take care all.
> Sarah Alawami
> 
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> On Mar 1, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Denise Avant wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> can we hope for nls. probably not, but it's a thought.
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Brian Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> I think this is an awesome development, and easily worth $20 -- I haven't
>>> tried the app yet, but I will... It just might bring me back to RFB&D again,
>>> a service I haven't used in many  years.  I just hope it isn't under-cooked,
>>> that they didn't roll it out too soon and that it won't be as functional as
>>> it could be.
>>> 
>>> Brian Miller
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:47 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App
>>> 
>>> It's a lot cheaper than a Victor Reader Stream, and it means being able to
>>> do more of what you need to do on one device.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sarah Alawami" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App
>>> 
>>> 
 tht's true. the bookshare app also will cause $20 so they would spend $40 
 in totle for the bookshare and the rfbd apps. Ouch for some of us.
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> I am in the same boat. I am holding out for the Bookshare app. Still,
> this will be a huge help to all the students who already have iPods
> and iPhones; no more needing a special player just to read books.
> 
> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 
>> time
>> a year or so but ah well.
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is the direct link:
>>> http://www.rfbd.org/apple/
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains 
 post
 though to find the info. good luck.
 
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Re: Any hidden Gotchas when installing more RAM in a MacBook?

[Scott Howell]

Mike,

You do not need to change anything on your Mac and you do not need to reinstall 
windows. You only need to go into Fusion and edit the configuration for the VM 
and give it more memory.
Scott





On Mar 1, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I was just at a MacShop the other day and bought more RAM (DDR3 variety) for 
> my MacBook which I purchased two years ago. I currently have 2 GB of memory 
> and will soon have 4 GB. 
> 
> I am wondering If I need to make any changes to Snow Leopard prior or after 
> installing the new RAM. Will my system just boot up normally, or do I need to 
> make other changes? I also have VMWare Fusion and would like to allocate more 
> memory for XP, once the new memory has been installed.  Is this a 
> straightforward process or will I need to re-install Windows XP under VMWare 
> fusion?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
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Re: by way of introduction

[Scott Howell]

Joe I remember you from back in the late 90s when I was cutting my teeth on 
SlackWare. I think you will really enjoy the Mac.

Scott

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Re: Slashdot, Macbook Pro teardowns show issues

[Scott Howell]

The question that should be asked is how many machines did they tear down. Out 
of the overall number of machines produced/assembled, how many have quality 
issues. The statements made are somewhat ridiculous  because price point has 
nothing to do with it. YOu could purchase a $100,000 car and find sloppy work 
just as easily in the $20,000 car. If they did a tear down on 10 or 20 machines 
I would say there is a question about quality that needs to be addressed. Of 
course hopefully APple takes note and monitors perhaps the facility where that 
machine originated to ensure proper quality standards are being met.
Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

>   Did apple's builders mess up? read on.
> 
> http://bit.ly/gJ4H9d
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

Mark,

Lion will not be out until sometime during the SUmmer. Apparently Oriol has 
obtained a copy that he is attempting to install and having some difficulties. 
A developer, there will be resources that will assist him in dealing with 
installation problems. If you are a developer you can of course obtain a copy, 
but there is a fee to become a developer.

Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:07 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Did I miss something on here?
> 
> Is there a new OS out?
> 
> How may I obtain it?
> 
> Mark 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>> 
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>> 
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

I did not accuse you of anything at all. I merely made a statement and if you 
feel as though I was accusing you of obtaining illegal software, that was not 
my intent. There has been such conduct in the past, so merely making a 
statement.
Understand it is unusual for a developer to ask such questions in this type of 
forum in my opinion.
Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Scott,
> It is ridiculous how you accused me for doing something you don't even
> know if I did.
> Just wow.
> 
> On 2/28/11, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>> it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the
>> eventual consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
>> On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>>> macintosh hd.
>>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>>> 
>>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
 I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram
 with
 sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
 something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then
 2
 for each gets me by just fine.
 
 Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
 have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
 over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
 computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
 
 
 On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant
>> the
>> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4
>> gigs.
>> My
>> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
>> Sarah Alawami
>> 
>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
>> my
>> info is below.
>> 
>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>> 
>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
 i know
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> If it is, you're screwed.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
>> are.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i can't say yet
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with
>>> two
>>> gigs
>> of
>>> ram.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
>

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

If it were a developer version, it seems unlikely he would be asking for help 
here and especially when APple provides a lot of information for developers. 
Being a beta it may not be possible to install over an existing SL installation.
Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the eventual 
> consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
> On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>> 
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>> 
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>>> the

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

I hope you obtained your copy of Lion legally (i.e. as a developer). If not 
asking for help on this list would not be appropriate. Any software obtained 
illegally is of course pirating and in many countries violates all matter of 
laws.

Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
> macintosh hd.
> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
> 
> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>> for each gets me by just fine.
>> 
>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
 fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
 My
 mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
 Sarah Alawami
 
 If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
 http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
 my
 info is below.
 
 MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
 
 website: http://music.marrie.org
 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
 youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> i know
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> If it is, you're screwed.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>> 
>>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
 are.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i can't say yet
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
> gigs
 of
> ram.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
> 
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>> the
> task. :(
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta
>>> testers?
 This
> is very important, considering this

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

Kevin I don't know what your worried about. Apple has always had beta testers 
and will continue to have beta testers. THey are of course very careful in who 
they choose considering the actions of at least one person in the past. Point 
is Apple will not leave us hanging. You can be assured our "community" will be 
well represented.

Scott

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Re: Accessible development resources for MacOs?

[Scott Howell]

Geoff,

I believe some of these resources also apply for the Mac OS as well. Apple's 
site at http://www.apple.com/accessibility may have some more specific 
resources.

Scott





On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings all,
> 
> Following up my previous post regarding the apparent inaccessibility of 
> Fission's selection and set play head dialogs, I reported the issue to 
> RogueAmoeba's support group.  I wanted to provide documentation from Apple 
> discussing accessibility of Snow Leopard apps, but must have been looking for 
> doc in all the wrong places.
> 
> Scott's post below contains excellent information to provide when reporting 
> accessibility concerns for IOS apps, but I wonder if if our group can (or 
> already has) work up a MacOs counterpart?
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Zack,
>>> 
>>> Contacting the developer, providing resources, tell them where the issues 
>>> are, and point out the success other developers have had in making their 
>>> apps accessible; are ways to get movement on accessibility.
>>> Here are some resources I provide:
>>> Making your Apps Accessible: Resources for IOS Developers
>>> 1. The Stanford University IOS programming series includes a talk by Chris 
>>> Fleizach from Apple that, amongother things, shows how to make even the 
>>> most complex controls
>>> accessible. This is on iTunes U. 
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=395631522
>>> 2. A recent blog post by Matt Legend Gemmell on "Accessibility for iPhone 
>>> and iPad Apps." 
>>> http://mattgemmell.com/2010/12/19/accessibility-for-iphone-and-ipad-apps
>>> 3. Apple's programming guide for making IOS Apps accessible. 
>>> http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Introduction/Introduction.html
>>> 4. The AppleVis website (www.applevis.com) is dedicated to sharing 
>>> information about the accessibility of IOS Apps, and offers links to other 
>>> resources.
>>> 5. The Google Group named "viphone" is a large and active community of 
>>> blind IOS device Users.
>>> 
>>> Good luck and all you can do is ask/encourage. 
>>> Oh and of course point out the fact that this is a growing market segment. 
>>> I do not have empirical  data beyond the number of list subscribers, but 
>>> clearly there are a lot of blind and visually impaired folks purchasing iOS 
>>> devices. If that were not the case, APple would not have invested R&D into 
>>> VO on the platform.
>>> 
>>> Scott
> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Shredder chess impressions

[Scott Howell]

Zack,

Contacting the developer, providing resources, tell them where the issues are, 
and point out the success other developers have had in making their apps 
accessible; are ways to get movement on accessibility.
Here are some resources I provide:
Making your Apps Accessible: Resources for IOS Developers
1. The Stanford University IOS programming series includes a talk by Chris 
Fleizach from Apple that, amongother things, shows how to make even the most 
complex controls
accessible. This is on iTunes U. 
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=395631522
2. A recent blog post by Matt Legend Gemmell on "Accessibility for iPhone and 
iPad Apps." 
http://mattgemmell.com/2010/12/19/accessibility-for-iphone-and-ipad-apps
3. Apple's programming guide for making IOS Apps accessible. 
http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Introduction/Introduction.html
4. The AppleVis website (www.applevis.com) is dedicated to sharing information 
about the accessibility of IOS Apps, and offers links to other resources.
5. The Google Group named "viphone" is a large and active community of blind 
IOS device Users.

Good luck and all you can do is ask/encourage. 
Oh and of course point out the fact that this is a growing market segment. I do 
not have empirical  data beyond the number of list subscribers, but clearly 
there are a lot of blind and visually impaired folks purchasing iOS devices. If 
that were not the case, APple would not have invested R&D into VO on the 
platform.

Scott





On Feb 21, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi All,
> I was pleased to read this morning that Shreder has been made accessible with 
> VoiceOver.  This is a big-name Chess program, and so I thought I'd give the 
> full verssion a try.
> Thus far, I'm quite impressed.  I've been able to play and analyze a game, 
> try my hand at a chess puzzle, and fiddle with the game's settings among 
> other things.  I'm not sure what they might have left out of the 
> accessibility support, but i doesn't seem to be much.  I was particularly 
> impressed at the analysis mode, as there didn't seem to be any noticeable lag 
> when using it with VO.  
> So, all in all, I'm happy we have another Chess alternative.  Now, if only 
> the makers of Civilization for the iPhone would do the same thing..  
> Best,
> Zack.
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Re: system dialog

[Scott Howell]

There is something going on then Ricardo. I don't know if it could be something 
you installed at some point or what, but honestly I whenever I have any 
restarts from VO it is with certain websites. This is a very fascinating issue 
for sure.
Scott





On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:48 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Yeah.
> 
> It seems to happen when you type or just press keys too fast. For example, 
> Voiceover will just stop talking sometimes when I'm arrowing through files 
> and folders in the finder.  Then I have to press Command F5 4 times quickly 
> to bring speech back.  same thing occurs at least 2 or 3 times a day while 
> typing.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Yes apparently I'm very lucky since I have not had any problems with system 
>> dialogs and I sure don't have problems with VOiceOver crashing. Yep, I'm 
>> very lucky indeed.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> lol. you are one of the very few people who have not had the issue. . I 
>>> know of someone and watched it happen. he was using the system voices and 
>>> it crashed every 30 seconds when he was trying to type a skype chat.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hmmm, I've been running 10.6.6 since the release and I'm not having any of 
>>>> the issues you both refer too. I only use the voices included with the 
>>>> Mac, but not sure this matters.
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah I think that this release is more unstable then 10.6.5 was and I've 
>>>>> sent apple my logs and they said first that it was my a-capella  voices 
>>>>> that were crashing but I removed them and reinstalled and it has crashed 
>>>>> only once today but twice yesterday and I have to hit vo cmd f8 then esc 
>>>>> when the training comes up. that works most of the  time. try that when 
>>>>> you have your dialogue come up next time.
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I too can confirm this.  More over, voiceOver is hanging up several 
>>>>>> times a day and I need to press command-f5 four times to recover.  
>>>>>> Lastly the Safari busy problem abounds.  So, IMHO 10.6.6 is the least 
>>>>>> stable in my short time running MacOS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have had this problem a few times.  Also Voice over would not speak.  
>>>>>>> So my option was to force shut down the system and reboot.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:09, louie wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Some times when I go to running applications VO + F1 then VO f1 again 
>>>>>>>> I find a system dialog. If I select the system dialog I can't get rid 
>>>>>>>> of it. The only way to get rid of it is reboot.
>>>>>>>> Any one having this trouble? If so how did you get rid of the system 
>>>>>>>> dialog?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> louie
>>>>>>>> louiem...@wavecable.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

[Scott Howell]

Ricardo,

I completely agree. There is a lot Apple can do such as bringing attention to 
the benefit of accessibility perhaps and certainly providing tools and 
examples, which they do. Beyond any of this, there is no reason for Apple to 
take any further action. Apple would not put those demands on developers and I 
would not ask them to either. I am convinced that developers should come to the 
conclusion that accessibility is beneficial instead of having it jammed down 
their throats.
Scott





On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> If you were the CEO of apple, they'd be broke. :).  I know its hard for us to 
> sit by and just take but, I think Apple has done all they can as for 
> accessibility in regards to this.  Its up to the app developers to do their 
> part.  Apple shouldn't be forced to play the accessibility police.  I don't 
> think Apple should be expected to lesson the value there product by banning 
> inaccessible apps.  It sounds a bit extreme to me.  And it could have 
> unforeseen consequences.
> JMO
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:31 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
>> is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
>> would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
>> there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far 
>> as I'm concerned.
>> I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
>> but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
>> honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
>> complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
>> nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the 
>> petition, but don't think it will help much.
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Re: system dialog

[Scott Howell]

Yes apparently I'm very lucky since I have not had any problems with system 
dialogs and I sure don't have problems with VOiceOver crashing. Yep, I'm very 
lucky indeed.

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On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> lol. you are one of the very few people who have not had the issue. . I know 
> of someone and watched it happen. he was using the system voices and it 
> crashed every 30 seconds when he was trying to type a skype chat.
> 
> S
> On Feb 21, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm, I've been running 10.6.6 since the release and I'm not having any of 
>> the issues you both refer too. I only use the voices included with the Mac, 
>> but not sure this matters.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah I think that this release is more unstable then 10.6.5 was and I've 
>>> sent apple my logs and they said first that it was my a-capella  voices 
>>> that were crashing but I removed them and reinstalled and it has crashed 
>>> only once today but twice yesterday and I have to hit vo cmd f8 then esc 
>>> when the training comes up. that works most of the  time. try that when you 
>>> have your dialogue come up next time.
>>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I too can confirm this.  More over, voiceOver is hanging up several times 
>>>> a day and I need to press command-f5 four times to recover.  Lastly the 
>>>> Safari busy problem abounds.  So, IMHO 10.6.6 is the least stable in my 
>>>> short time running MacOS.
>>>> 
>>>> Geoff
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Have had this problem a few times.  Also Voice over would not speak.  So 
>>>>> my option was to force shut down the system and reboot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:09, louie wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Some times when I go to running applications VO + F1 then VO f1 again I 
>>>>>> find a system dialog. If I select the system dialog I can't get rid of 
>>>>>> it. The only way to get rid of it is reboot.
>>>>>> Any one having this trouble? If so how did you get rid of the system 
>>>>>> dialog?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> louie
>>>>>> louiem...@wavecable.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: system dialog

[Scott Howell]

Hmmm, I've been running 10.6.6 since the release and I'm not having any of the 
issues you both refer too. I only use the voices included with the Mac, but not 
sure this matters.
Scott





On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Yeah I think that this release is more unstable then 10.6.5 was and I've sent 
> apple my logs and they said first that it was my a-capella  voices that were 
> crashing but I removed them and reinstalled and it has crashed only once 
> today but twice yesterday and I have to hit vo cmd f8 then esc when the 
> training comes up. that works most of the  time. try that when you have your 
> dialogue come up next time.
> On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> I too can confirm this.  More over, voiceOver is hanging up several times a 
>> day and I need to press command-f5 four times to recover.  Lastly the Safari 
>> busy problem abounds.  So, IMHO 10.6.6 is the least stable in my short time 
>> running MacOS.
>> 
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Have had this problem a few times.  Also Voice over would not speak.  So my 
>>> option was to force shut down the system and reboot.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:09, louie wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Some times when I go to running applications VO + F1 then VO f1 again I 
 find a system dialog. If I select the system dialog I can't get rid of it. 
 The only way to get rid of it is reboot.
 Any one having this trouble? If so how did you get rid of the system 
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Re: mac word 2010 not accessible--voice over will not work,

[Scott Howell]

Some like Open Office and it is free, but I prefer iWOrks. As far as faxing, my 
HP Laser Jet came with some really good software that is friendly enough to 
send/receive faxes. Well I have not tested the receive side really, but I can 
use ABBYY to scan whatever faxes come in. I do not receive faxes often, but 
send several and no problems.





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> Other than Pages, have you found a professional quality office suite that 
> does work with VoiceOver?
> 
> Also, any suggestions as to an app that works with VoiceOver for sending and 
> receiving faxes?
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: mac word 2010 not accessible--voice over will not work,
> 
> 
>> Microsoft Office of any version on the Mac has not been accessible and I do 
>> not expect this to change. Microsoft apparently does not see any advantage 
>> in making their suite accessible for Mac users. Well we all know what 
>> geniuses  run Microsoft, right?
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Sharon Ballantyne wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> I am sorry to say that I have been told that Microsoft word for mac 2010 is 
>>> not accessible. If this is changed, I'd like to know about it as well.
>>> 
>>> Sharon
>>> On 2011-02-21, at 8:11 AM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Laura.
>>>> 
>>>> I've just installed microsoft 2011 for mac and realised that when typing 
>>>> in microsoft word, voiceover does not read. How can I fix this?
>>>> 
>>>> Also how can I directly open attachments in mail?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Cheng Ann
>>>> 
>>>> On 21-Feb-2011, at 9:00 PM, Laura wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> There are two ways. Either pressing control-F8, or pressing 
>>>>> control-option-shift-M twice will do it. Either way takes you to the 
>>>>> status menu, where you can see battery status, as well as time, network 
>>>>> status, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Feb 2011, at 12:52, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How can I read the battery status of my laptop and the system date and 
>>>>>> time?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Cheng Ann
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Re: mac word 2010 not accessible--voice over will not work,

[Scott Howell]

Microsoft Office of any version on the Mac has not been accessible and I do not 
expect this to change. Microsoft apparently does not see any advantage in 
making their suite accessible for Mac users. Well we all know what geniuses  
run Microsoft, right?
Scott





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> Hi there,
> 
> I am sorry to say that I have been told that Microsoft word for mac 2010 is 
> not accessible. If this is changed, I'd like to know about it as well.
> 
> Sharon
> On 2011-02-21, at 8:11 AM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Laura.
>> 
>> I've just installed microsoft 2011 for mac and realised that when typing in 
>> microsoft word, voiceover does not read. How can I fix this?
>> 
>> Also how can I directly open attachments in mail?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Cheng Ann
>> 
>> On 21-Feb-2011, at 9:00 PM, Laura wrote:
>> 
>>> There are two ways. Either pressing control-F8, or pressing 
>>> control-option-shift-M twice will do it. Either way takes you to the status 
>>> menu, where you can see battery status, as well as time, network status, 
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2011, at 12:52, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 How can I read the battery status of my laptop and the system date and 
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Re: to use or not to use the disk that comes with airport extreme

[Scott Howell]

Mary, go ahead and ignore APple. :) Seriously, the software on your machine 
will likely be more current and just run Software Update when in doubt. I've 
setup both my Time Capsule and Express with the software on my Mac instead of 
what is included with the hardware.
Scott





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> Hello all,
> 
> I recall that when I got an airport express to connect to my stereo, so that 
> I could stream audio from ITunes, somebody on this list advised that I not 
> mess with the disk that came with the Express. Just plug it in and use 
> airport utility already on my Mac. And that worked great. I note that the 
> getting started instructions found on Apple's site for the Extreme advise one 
> to use the included disk. Since the airport utility is still on my Mac, I 
> wonder at those instructions, but its hard to go against what Apple is saying 
> to do. 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: accessible weather apps

[Scott Howell]

Carolyn,

I saw your initial post, but did not ask if this was for the Mac or iOS. 
Unfortunately App Store may refer to either platform. :) Maybe eventually all 
devices will run on the same OS. If you were talking about the iOS platform, I 
personally like PocketWeather WOrld.
I did not find anything or really look that hard for the Mac side.
Scott





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> 
> On Feb 20, 2011, at 2:01 AM, chad Hi Chad:
> Noaa weather radio is good.
> 
> Carolyn Hwrote:
> 
>> hi is there any accessible accessible weather apps in the app store
>> i am trying swacket
>> i seen some paid ones just wondering if any of them are accessible or if 
>> anyone has tried any of them
>> thanks
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Re: MobileMe web interface not accesible. Is it just me?

[Scott Howell]

And if you shop around on AMazon, sometimes you can get even a renewal for less 
than the regular price.
Scott





On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:43 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Marlaina,
> 
> It's $99 per year, unless you purchase a device such as the iPhone and 
> purchase Mobile ME at the same time, then it's $69.  There is also a two 
> month demo available, so you can try it first.  Go to me.com for more details.
> 
> Les
> On Feb 20, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> What is the cost for moble me?  I am so frustrated with this google calendar 
>> thing, I'm thinking about going to moble me.
>> On Feb 20, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Matthew and Kawal,
>> 
>> This is a late response, because the original post came in when I was really 
>> busy.  However, I'll just mention that this portion of the MobileMe web 
>> interface works fine -- just use VO-Space (the generic shortcut to perform 
>> the default action) on any of the items to select them.  Another 
>> recommendation: when you log into MobileMe, add the section of the site that 
>> you want to go to after the main address.  For example, type:
>> http://www.me.com/account
>> in the URL if you want to access your account or password settings, type:
>> http://www.me.com/find
>> to log in for "Find my iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch", and similarly for mail, 
>> calendar, etc.
>> 
>> The generic login runs a javascript to let you choose which part of MobileMe 
>> you want to go to, and I find that it's just much faster and less of a load 
>> on Safari if you tell it right away where you want to go by putting it at 
>> the end of the address string.  Then, when you enter your password, you're 
>> automatically at the correct location.  They've actually recently been 
>> making some improvements to the interface.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2011, at 12:45, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, mobile me is not accessible.  Best thing to do is go into mobile me 
>>> preferences on your mac, sign out then sign back in using your username and 
>>> current password then when signed in go to where you can change your 
>>> username or password.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.  
>>> On 14 Feb 2011, at 21:58, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>>> 
 Hello listers.
 Seems like all I do lately is pick on mobile me isn't it?
 Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone else is having issues with the mobile me 
 web interface?
 The biggest problem I'm having is that none of the clickable elements 
 activate if I use VO to activate them either with pressing them or using 
 mouse commands to click them. This is extremely crippling as I can't even 
 change my password.
 Thanks for any feedback.
 Matthew Campbell. The soon to be MobileMe hater.
 
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Re: airport extreme in a mixed mac pc environment?

[Scott Howell]

Mary,

First you should have no problems setting up Macs, PCs, iOS devices, or Android 
devices to operate happily on a network using an Apple Extreme. You get three 
wired ports on the Extreme and if that is not enough, you can always get a 
switch, which would allow you to expand the number of ports. I have had all 
matter of devices on my wireless network and I have been using Apple routers 
for a number of years now.

Scott





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> Hi all,
> 
> We have an old linksys router that has served us wonderfully for several 
> years. But it is time to move on and upgrade to something that will give us 
> higher speed wireless, now that none of our wireless devices require the 
> older 208-11G protocol. Between us, we have an IPod, IPad and an Android 
> phone that will connect wirelessly as well as a pc laptop. And we have pc and 
> mac desktops that will connect via wire, except perhaps for my Mac if there 
> aren't enough cable connections on the airport extreme. I'd like to get the 
> Airport Extreme, but my sighted husband is worried about connectivity with 
> his pcs. I was so impressed with the ease of set up with the airport express 
> and the Mac and am quite wary of the newer pc-oriented routers that all seem 
> to want you to install proprietary software, unlike our old linksys. So, does 
> anybody have experience in setting up an airport extreme in this environment? 
> What can one do about the limited number of cable connections for wired 
> computer set up off the router? If this isn't sufficiently vo-related, reply 
> off list would be find, but I hope it fits within the criteria for the list, 
> since one of my reasons for wanting to go this route is to ensure 
> accessibility of set up and compatibility with my Mac and other I-devices.
> 
> Mary
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Re: scanning and the mac

[Scott Howell]

Earle,

That just solves the problem, only go the way of the VM. See the VM is supreme 
since you can close Windows when it acts poorly. :) Actually I have been very 
pleased with the entire concept of the VM and now I can actually enjoy only 
using the things in windows I absolutely must. However, I would like to just 
stay in the Mac environment if I had my choice.
Scott





On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Earle M. Harrison wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I believe that the problem is not loosing sound in the VM, but on the Windows 
> side in a Boot Camp partition.  I have set-up several 13 inch Macbook Pro and 
> invariably experienced the problem of loosing sound on the Windows side.  
> Last time, we were thrilled because we got sound to work, installed all the 
> software and then imported the Boot Camp image into a VM and this process 
> when flawlessly; however, the next time we booted to the Windows side of the 
> dual boot, sound was gone.  Sighted assist found that nothing was muted and 
> volume was at 100 percent.  Reinstalling drivers from the Apple OS CD did not 
> resolve the problem.  On calling the support departments  of both OS's, 
> Microsoft blamed Apple, Apple blamed Microsoft and the customer decided that 
> working in a VM was best anyway.  Interestingly as David observed, plugging 
> in a cheep USB sound card works great on the Windows side of a dual boot 
> system, but what a drag to have to resort to this.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Earle
> 
> On Feb 18, 2011, at 4:29 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> WIth regard to the sound not functioning on the 13-inch MBP while in the 
>> Windows VM, I have not had any problems at all. The 13-inch MBP I is maybe a 
>> year old and provided by my employer. So, even with all their tweaks and 
>> such, I have yet to encounter any failure in sound while in the VM. I am 
>> wondering if this is more an issue with older 13-inch MBPs.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:52 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>> 
>>> It certainly works, features are somewhat limited, it does not use 
>>> VoiceOver, and is not setup like a standard Apple application.  Instead it 
>>> has been ported over to Apple using its' own speech and essentually the 
>>> same keys as the Windows version.  But, it is better than nothing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: scanning and the mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The iPal now works on a Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> It is self-voicing.
>>>> 
>>>> I never considered one, but just heard from a doctoral student friend of 
>>>> mine who swears by it, and its speed.
>>>> 
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Caitlyn and Nickels wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have been kicking around the idea of getting a couple of new macs for a
>>>>> couple of weeks now since bothour pc's are not working that great anymore.
>>>>> The main thing that is holding us back is our heavy reliance on Kurzweil. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> am a grad student and we also use k1000 for scanning our mail daily.  I 
>>>>> know
>>>>> we could either do a duel boot system or run a virtual machine and then 
>>>>> can
>>>>> use k1000 this way on the mac, but I wanted to ask knowledgable folks 
>>>>> first
>>>>> about this before we jumped in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We heard about another kurzweil product that is for the mac, but it's not
>>>>> self voicing, and I don't know if vo works with it.   Does anybody have 
>>>>> any
>>>>> mac specific solutions that work well for scanning text books?  For 
>>>>> scanning
>>>>> the types we all get in the post?  I use the bookmark features in k1000
>>>>> quite a lot, plus the dictionary a lot and have preferred it a lot for the
>>>>> proof reading I do for book share over ms word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, that's actually another question, we were told that pages actually 
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> that great or useable...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lots of this info is coming from people who don't use vo regularly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For us, though, this scanne

Re: Steve Jobs has only six weeks to live, according to the inquirerer

[Scott Howell]

I believe your fears to be unfounded. If APple were to make such a decision, it 
would have nothing to do with Steve Jobs and instead on a business-based 
reason. At this point the horse has left the barn as they say, so as others 
have said and I concur, the probability of accessibility being dropped is 
unlikely.
Scott





On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> 
> 18 feb 2011 kl. 01.12 skrev Jes Smith:
> 
>> So, what will happen to Apple's Accessibility team after Jobs is gone? Will 
>> we lose access to voice over, or will it cease to be updated? What do you 
>> guys think?
> 
> I hate to say this, but it wouldn't surprice me in the least if the first 
> thing that gets ditched is the accessibility. Maybe i fear this because here 
> where i live, in Sweden there's no such thing as accessibility laws, so 
> people and companys can in principle do what they want in terms of a11y and 
> get away with it. That's why i don't take a11y as a right, but a privilege 
> that can be taken from us on a whim.
> /Krister
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Re: scanning and the mac

[Scott Howell]

WIth regard to the sound not functioning on the 13-inch MBP while in the 
Windows VM, I have not had any problems at all. The 13-inch MBP I is maybe a 
year old and provided by my employer. So, even with all their tweaks and such, 
I have yet to encounter any failure in sound while in the VM. I am wondering if 
this is more an issue with older 13-inch MBPs.
Scott





On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:52 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> It certainly works, features are somewhat limited, it does not use VoiceOver, 
> and is not setup like a standard Apple application.  Instead it has been 
> ported over to Apple using its' own speech and essentually the same keys as 
> the Windows version.  But, it is better than nothing.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: scanning and the mac
> 
> 
>> The iPal now works on a Mac.
>> 
>> It is self-voicing.
>> 
>> I never considered one, but just heard from a doctoral student friend of 
>> mine who swears by it, and its speed.
>> 
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>> 
>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Caitlyn and Nickels wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We have been kicking around the idea of getting a couple of new macs for a
>>> couple of weeks now since bothour pc's are not working that great anymore.
>>> The main thing that is holding us back is our heavy reliance on Kurzweil. I
>>> am a grad student and we also use k1000 for scanning our mail daily.  I know
>>> we could either do a duel boot system or run a virtual machine and then can
>>> use k1000 this way on the mac, but I wanted to ask knowledgable folks first
>>> about this before we jumped in.
>>> 
>>> We heard about another kurzweil product that is for the mac, but it's not
>>> self voicing, and I don't know if vo works with it.   Does anybody have any
>>> mac specific solutions that work well for scanning text books?  For scanning
>>> the types we all get in the post?  I use the bookmark features in k1000
>>> quite a lot, plus the dictionary a lot and have preferred it a lot for the
>>> proof reading I do for book share over ms word.
>>> 
>>> Oh, that's actually another question, we were told that pages actually isn't
>>> that great or useable...
>>> 
>>> Lots of this info is coming from people who don't use vo regularly.
>>> 
>>> For us, though, this scanner stuff is the only thing standing in the way.
>>> We do have a old power book, but it's the old non intel mac, so we're stuck
>>> running leopard on it, can't do a virtual machine or anything on it, it
>>> doesn't support the magic track pad, and we can't upgrade to snow leopard or
>>> anything beyond what we already have on it(we already called apple about
>>> it).
>>> 
>>> Any help or anything would be appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
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Re: apple wireless keyboards

[Scott Howell]

Well think you have heard wrong. My wife and I both have these and they both 
have been dropped at least once or twice and worked just fine. Of course if you 
drop them from a significant height, well like most things it likely won't 
survive.
Scott





On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Hope I changed the subject right lol! but I hear they are not very durable if 
>  they are dropped then you might have problems.
> 
> S
> On Feb 17, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I've seen it for $60 with free shipping from Amazon.
>> On Feb 17, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Brandon:
>>> The keyboard sells for $69, with free shipping, I find it totally awesome.  
>>> It runs on 2 double a batteries, and makes the difference a lot of times 
>>> between my responding or not responding to a text.:)
>>> 
>>> I found it on apple.com/storeHere's a brief snippet copied from the Apple 
>>> store website.  I'll include the link as well.
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
>>> 
>>> Apple Wireless Keyboard
>>> The completely cable-free Apple Wireless Keyboard uses Bluetooth technology 
>>> to connect with your Mac or iPad. So you’re free to move the keyboard just 
>>> about anywhere within range and wirelessly type away. And its slim, compact 
>>> design takes up much less space on your desk.
>>> 
>>> Learn more
>>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Carolyn,
 
 Thanks a lot. Can you give more information on the wireless keyboards? 
 That sounds realy interesting. Is that a portable solution?
 
 Brandon
 
 On Feb 16, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
 
> Hi Brandon:
> I haven't used Salona, but simply want to suggest the Apple wireless 
> keyboard.  It makes texting a dream, and just so much easier.:)  I've 
> also heard that the screen protectors can take a long time to be sent.
> Good luck whatever you guys decide to do.
> 
> Carolyn H
> On Feb 16, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I recently came across solona.net. I had heard of their tactile screen 
>> protectors. My fiance just got an iPhone and is having some trouble 
>> texting and such, so I thought it'd be useful for her, so I ordered us 
>> both one. I even tried to get expedited shipping. However, I've not 
>> heard a word from them yet, and it's been at least two weeks or more. I 
>> even tried contacting them through their form, and have not gotten any 
>> responses.
>> 
>> I know there's been discussion of them not being online for their 
>> captcha service, but I thought at least they would process orders. Also, 
>> I had seen an operator online with the captcha service for at least a 
>> few minutes the night when I ordered, so I thought they were back online.
>> 
>> I know it's been discussed here, which is why I'm posting about it. I'm 
>> not sure what to do. I've heard the guy is sick, so I don't want to do a 
>> chargeback, but it really should have been shipped and arrived here 
>> already. Has anyone else ordered recently?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: Steve Jobs has only six weeks to live, according to the inquirerer

[Scott Howell]

Exactly Ricardo. I doubt very seriously they have any clue what his medical 
condition truly is. As far as what would happen, I doubt Apple would change 
course because they have to much invested at this point to just pull the plug. 
Not saying it couldn't happen, just unlikely. So, relax folks.
Scott





On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> OMG!
> 
> Its the National Enquirer people!!  They write about Elvis sightings and 
> celebrities being abducted by aliens.  Sigh.  Why are we even pretending like 
> this is real?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Heather wrote:
> 
>> Wow that is so sad!  I wonder who will take over where he left off!  Heather
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Steve Jobs has only six weeks to live, according to the inquirerer
>> 
>> Hi al,
>> 
>> So, what will happen to Apple's Accessibility team after Jobs is gone? Will
>> we lose access to voice over, or will it cease to be updated? What do you
>> guys think?
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Re: mac and iPhone syncing over the air through google calendars

[Scott Howell]

I have not had any issues lately, but you might check to see when the last time 
your Mac synced with MobileMe. I have not had this problem, so cannot offer a 
solution, but if there is a problem with syncing in general, you might find an 
indication on the Mac side.
Scott





On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I use to have this working perfectly.  I'd enter an appointment on my mac and 
> it would appear on my iPhone within a few minutes as well.  The reverse was 
> also true.
> 
> Something has happened and I don't know if it is an iPhone problem or a 
> MacBook Air problem, but things on the computer are not reaching the phone.  
> I can do an appointent on the phone and it will reach the computer.  My 
> husband can do an appointment on his mac and it will reach my mac, but they 
> never reach my phone.
> 
> In iTunes, as always, sync calendars is not checked.  On the phone, push is 
> turned on.  Does anybody have any other thoughts as to what I should do?  
> ICal is looking at the 2 calendars it needs to look at and that it has been 
> looking at for a year now.  This is very frustrating, since I am on the road 
> right now and need this thing to work.  I really do not know if this is an 
> iCal, iPhone or iTunes setting issue, though I doubt it is the latter.  
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> marlaina 
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Re: Send/Receipt requests in Mail

[Scott Howell]

You know Robert, before I moved to the Mac I used Outlook. I always ignored 
those stupid return receipt messages. My logic has always been that if I need 
to acknowledge your message I will and if not I won't. :)
THe problem is some people have abused this feature to the point that every 
message they send has the damned return receipt request. I personally find some 
aspects of Mail (the majority) far superior to OUtlook or Outlook Express. 
However, your correct in that your bias will be toward the product you are most 
comfortable using.

Scott





On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> I am also using Outlook (via Bootcamp on my Mac) for the purposes of mail 
> management. I find that it seems to have more features and is a 
> professional-quality program, whereas Mail seems a little more scaled-down, 
> hovering between professional and, for a lack of a better term, "standard" or 
> "functional"--call it semi-professional, if you will. Outlook (because it is 
> a Microsoft product) has more integrated Exchange capabilities, and, as a 
> Windows user before my switch to Mac, is easier to use, manipulate and 
> navigate. Obviously, this is a biased opinion, as I've been using Outlook 
> long before I ever used anything on the Mac side. But, if you're on Exchange 
> and need a professional-quality mail program, I think that Outlook may serve 
> you better, even for things such as read receipts, which I request with every 
> mail message via the option to do so in Outlook's settings.
> Sincerely,
> Robert Hooper
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Busboom
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Send/Receipt requests in Mail
> 
> Thanks, Jim, for responding.
> 
> Everyone in my office, except for me right now, uses MS Outlook. I have been 
> accused of ignoring some mail that was sent to me, and the idea from higher 
> up is that if they know when I read their mail, they can justifiably know 
> when to expect my response.
> 
> There are totally different problems, however, and I know that I am not 
> ignoring anyone.  Nevertheless, the prevailing thinking  seems to be that if 
> I use Outlook's feature which allows people to know when I read their mail, I 
> won't ignore them.  It sounds petty, I know, and it makes me look stupid, but 
> there you have it, for what it's worth.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 14,Feb,2011, at 3:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
> 
>> Hello Michael,
>> 
>> Anyone using standard SMTP based mail (whether it be Mac Mail, 
>> Thunderbird, Outlook, or something else) will not be able to track 
>> when an email message they've sent out gets read, it just isn't 
>> possible.
>> 
>> So, the question is, what are your workmates using to read their mail, 
>> and would it benefit you to use what they're using?  What exactly are 
>> the requirements that are driving this question?  If the requirement 
>> truely is that you need to know when someone has read your mail, or 
>> they someone needs to know when you've read their mail, then I'd say 
>> it isn't possible unless you are all using some proprietary email 
>> system that supports this (not sure which one that would be)
>> 
>> I'd be happy to help more with this, if you can provide more 
>> information.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:25:10AM +0100, Michael Busboom wrote:
>>> Greetings to all of you,
>>> 
>>> Here at work, there have been several misunderstandings about mail that was 
>>> allegedly sent to me, but was ignored by me.  For my own protection, I need 
>>> to be able to know when people read my mail, and I also need to be able to 
>>> generate receipt requests.  this is critical, unfortunately.  If I can't 
>>> get the problem resolved, my only alternative is to use either Thunderbird 
>>> or Outlook running under Windows, which I will do, though I would much 
>>> rather stick with Apple's Mail.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone give me definitive suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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