Re: requesting help on how to get VO to stop saying clickable when reading
thanks for the suggestion about an activity. > On 2 Dec 2016, at 5:59 am, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote: > > You can accomplish this by creating an activity in Voiceover utility. You > can make it specific for Safari and assign a different level of verbosity to > the activity. > > Hope this will help. > > Andrew >> On 1 Dec 2016, at 09:52, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> hey all, >> i once remembered how to do this but i can not for the life of me remember >> what setting to change so voiceover does not say clickable when reading text >> on some web pages >> any help would be fantastic. >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> >> Michael >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: requesting help on how to get VO to stop saying clickable when reading
You can accomplish this by creating an activity in Voiceover utility. You can make it specific for Safari and assign a different level of verbosity to the activity. Hope this will help. Andrew > On 1 Dec 2016, at 09:52, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > hey all, > i once remembered how to do this but i can not for the life of me remember > what setting to change so voiceover does not say clickable when reading text > on some web pages > any help would be fantastic. > > > > thanks > > > Michael > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
requesting help on how to get VO to stop saying clickable when reading
hey all, i once remembered how to do this but i can not for the life of me remember what setting to change so voiceover does not say clickable when reading text on some web pages any help would be fantastic. thanks Michael -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
clickable sorted
I have just discovered that by setting speech verbosity level to low, gets rid of the annoying 'clickable' prompt from Voiceover. Can always set up an activity for this particular site, if that setting is too low for an inexperienced Mac user. Martin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
clickable
I have configured the verbosity level of Voiceover quite a bit to suit my needs. However, I cannot get rid of an annoying 'clickable' enouncement when I move to a heading. Perhaps it is not possible to get rid of this, but would sure be great for the old nervous system if Alex would just read the content of the heading without telling me it is clickable. Martin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clickable items in Safari
It means the text can be interacted by clicking with the mouse. Unfortunately, it depends on the webmaster coding the site whether VoiceOver can activate the clickable text or not. On 8 Jun 2015, at 05:32, Jean radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All: What does it mean in Safari when an item says “clickable?” Is it a link? When I hit VO space on such items nothing happens. Can someone please explain? Many thanks, Jean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clickable items in Safari
these are things where if a sighted person hovers the mouse over them, you get choices. If you do a vo shift m on them, you will get a menu to make choices from in regards to the clickable item. hth, Caitlyn On Jun 8, 2015, at 12:32 AM, Jean radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All: What does it mean in Safari when an item says “clickable?” Is it a link? When I hit VO space on such items nothing happens. Can someone please explain? Many thanks, Jean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clickable items in Safari
Hello Jean, Often, clickable items are places where either a mouse hover or a mouse click will change what is shown on the page. Try bringing the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5 and doing a VO-Shift-Space type of click and see whether new items have appeared. Cheers, Anne On 8 Jun 2015, at 06:32, Jean radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All: What does it mean in Safari when an item says “clickable?” Is it a link? When I hit VO space on such items nothing happens. Can someone please explain? Many thanks, Jean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Clickable items in Safari
Hello All: What does it mean in Safari when an item says “clickable?” Is it a link? When I hit VO space on such items nothing happens. Can someone please explain? Many thanks, Jean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
clickable items in safari
Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: clickable items in safari
Vo-space should work. If not, move to the item, press vo-cmd-f5 (you might need to add the function key as well), and then click the mouse. If you lack a mouse, use vo-shift-space to simulate a click. On May 29, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: clickable items in safari
Try vo shift m. alternatively, you can try option enter. If neither of those things works, try using the track pad to click on the items. hth, Caitlyn On May 29, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: clickable items in safari
Hi, Sometimes the return key will work as well. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On May 29, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Try vo shift m. alternatively, you can try option enter. If neither of those things works, try using the track pad to click on the items. hth, Caitlyn On May 29, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: clickable items in safari
Hi Alex, Have tried your suggestions, and unless I'm doing something wrong, which is definitely possible--I'm still not getting anywhere. I've tried every key combination possible, but I can't get the system to make the mouse click that I am used to hearing after the F5 trick...VO space isn't doing anything either. Thanks for any other suggestions. V/R, Randy On May 29, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Vo-space should work. If not, move to the item, press vo-cmd-f5 (you might need to add the function key as well), and then click the mouse. If you lack a mouse, use vo-shift-space to simulate a click. On May 29, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: clickable items in safari
When you press vo-cmd-f5, does VO speak the clickable item again? If not, your mouse may not be being moved; try vo-cmd-function-f5. On May 29, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, Have tried your suggestions, and unless I'm doing something wrong, which is definitely possible--I'm still not getting anywhere. I've tried every key combination possible, but I can't get the system to make the mouse click that I am used to hearing after the F5 trick...VO space isn't doing anything either. Thanks for any other suggestions. V/R, Randy On May 29, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Vo-space should work. If not, move to the item, press vo-cmd-f5 (you might need to add the function key as well), and then click the mouse. If you lack a mouse, use vo-shift-space to simulate a click. On May 29, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: clickable items in safari
that worked--thanks...may finish this on a windows machine, sadly this site is not at all friendly with voiceover. I appreciate all of the help. V/R, Randy On May 29, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: When you press vo-cmd-f5, does VO speak the clickable item again? If not, your mouse may not be being moved; try vo-cmd-function-f5. On May 29, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, Have tried your suggestions, and unless I'm doing something wrong, which is definitely possible--I'm still not getting anywhere. I've tried every key combination possible, but I can't get the system to make the mouse click that I am used to hearing after the F5 trick...VO space isn't doing anything either. Thanks for any other suggestions. V/R, Randy On May 29, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Vo-space should work. If not, move to the item, press vo-cmd-f5 (you might need to add the function key as well), and then click the mouse. If you lack a mouse, use vo-shift-space to simulate a click. On May 29, 2014, at 5:18 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am attempting to navigate a page that has what voiceover is calling clickable items--but when I try to click on them as I would a link nothing happens. There are no links, just these frustrating clickable items. If anyone knows a way to access these I would sure appreciate the assist. V/R, Randy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Observation re Clickable Text
Hi list, Just reporting on some interesting behaviour I just observed which might help some people with clickable text/AJAX menus. I was using a website and the main menu had apparently recently been updated. In Safari version 6.0.5 on Mountain Lion, VoiceOver reported each item as clickable. I tried doing a VO-space on an item, but it didn't work. I tried routing the mouse and doing VO-shift-space as well as a physical click on the TrackPad with TrackPad commander turned off, but neither of these worked either. I then switched to Google Chrome and tried the same methods, but none of them worked in Chrome either. The interesting thing is I tried routing the mouse to the text, and then turning VoiceOver off with command-F5 and then physically clicking the TrackPad. This, strangely, worked. It opened an AJAX style submenu with ordinary links I could click on. I tried this method several times and it worked. I only tried it in Google Chrome, however. So, moral of the story is if you find some clickable text or an AJAX style menu that you can't seem to activate, try routing the mouse, turning VoiceOver off and physically clicking the TrackPad. Not sure why there would be any difference with VoiceOver turned on and QuickNav turned off compared with having VoiceOver turned off, but it was clearly different. Cheers, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Observation re Clickable Text
Hi, I see this behaviour often when trying to print from a link to print from a site. There is a recipe site that my wife often asks me to print a recipe from, this is where I see this. Max On 12 Dec 2013, at 2:23 am, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, Just reporting on some interesting behaviour I just observed which might help some people with clickable text/AJAX menus. I was using a website and the main menu had apparently recently been updated. In Safari version 6.0.5 on Mountain Lion, VoiceOver reported each item as clickable. I tried doing a VO-space on an item, but it didn't work. I tried routing the mouse and doing VO-shift-space as well as a physical click on the TrackPad with TrackPad commander turned off, but neither of these worked either. I then switched to Google Chrome and tried the same methods, but none of them worked in Chrome either. The interesting thing is I tried routing the mouse to the text, and then turning VoiceOver off with command-F5 and then physically clicking the TrackPad. This, strangely, worked. It opened an AJAX style submenu with ordinary links I could click on. I tried this method several times and it worked. I only tried it in Google Chrome, however. So, moral of the story is if you find some clickable text or an AJAX style menu that you can't seem to activate, try routing the mouse, turning VoiceOver off and physically clicking the TrackPad. Not sure why there would be any difference with VoiceOver turned on and QuickNav turned off compared with having VoiceOver turned off, but it was clearly different. Cheers, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Safari and clickable elements
Hi all, Many thanks for your helpful responses. Esther, thanks for the detail on navigating with the mouse - that was going to be my next question. I have a couple of follow up questions on your post if that's ok. Firstly, if I have mouse keys enabled, are there any settings I need to change in order to get Voiceover to read items under the mouse as I navigate? I took from your post that there might be, but wasn't sure. Secondly, when I turn mouse keys on in Accessibility under System Preferences, VO spacebar ceases to work, and I wondered why this might be. I know you said that mouse keys could create conflicts on laptops, but I don't have numpad commander enabled. I was able to rectify the situation by using the trackpad to unstick the setting, and have just set up the option key as a toggle. Thanks for any help. Cheers, Ed On 29 Jul 2013, at 22:54, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Ed, To add to what Teresa said, when you use VO-Space this is a VoiceOver-specifc software shortcut that means perform the default action for a given situation -- which could be to click on an element. VO-Shift-Space is another VoiceOver specific software shortcut for clicking your mouse cursor. Pressing the return key will return the default selections in dialog windows, and is hardware-based and does not rely on whether you are using VoiceOver, but it doesn't have an effect when you are supposed to click with a mouse or trackpad on a web page element. I usually distinguish between hardware clicks and software clicks. Hardware clicks (with TrackPad, Mouse, or with the Mouse Keys accessibility solution) work everywhere. VoiceOver-specific software keyclicks may work if an application is accessible, but otherwise may not work. The other part of clicking on a web element such as a clickable element is making sure that your mouse cursor is actually on the element in question. (This is really annoying, because in some cases I have to change my cursor tracking preferences under VoiceOVer Utility to either Mouse Cursor follows VoiceOver Cursor or Mouse Cursor moves VoiceOver Cursor in order for things to work in environments of transitioning accessibility, such as in the iCloud or old Mobile Me web pages, or when iTunes or Automator was first being made accessible). However, in most instances you only need to make sure, after routing your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor, that you issue a hardware click. Since I don't use a mouse with my Mac laptops, I usually click on elements using Mouse Keys. If you are using a full size keyboard with NumPad Commander turned on, you can alternatively use the NumPad Commander shortcut to click (I think this is Control+5 on the numeric keypad if you use the default settings, but you should check this). And if you use the TrackPad you should turn off TrackPad Commander and make sure that you press down hard enough to register a click. You should not have both Mouse Keys and NumPad Commander turned on at the same time, because they lead to conflicting key definitions. (On a laptop, this can make some of your keys completely unusable until you sort this.) Mouse Keys is an accessibility solution for people with motion disabilities that make it difficult for them to move a mouse precisely to a link or form control where they need to click or activate or enter text. VoiceOver users can use Mouse Keys in a couple of settings: 1) to click on elements like your clickable links where there are accessibility issues in the setup or application that prevent the VoiceOver shortcuts from working correctly and 2) to move the mouse cursor to screen locations independently of VoiceOver's navigation. Again, case 2 is an accessibility problem area. It may be that player controls can be activated by clicking on them, but the controls are not exposed to VoiceOver, so you can't move there independently. However, if you can move your mouse cursor to that position, and click, you can activate the controls. If you set up VoiceOver to announce what's under the mouse as you move over the controls navigating with Mouse Keys, you can find out where the controls are and then click them. Usually, you use external clues for the position of the controls so you're not exploring randomly. Once your know where they are relative to a screen element that VoiceOver can see, you can navigate there again knowing the offsets. Hope this sketchy explanation works. On extended keyboards, the Mouse Keys are the 9 number keys of the numeric keypad, with the central 5 key acting as the current position of the mouse that can be clicked. Pressing the number keys around that position moves the mouse one screen pixel in that direction (left, right, up, down, or diagonally). So if you press the 4 key to the left of the 5, you move the mouse 1 pixel to the left. Press the 6 key and move
Re: Safari and clickable elements
Hi Ed, First, here's how to have VO announce what's under your mouse cursor. Open VoiceOver Utility (VO+F8), go to Verbosity (with arrow keys or Command-2), then select the Announcements tab. Check the box for Speak text under mouse after delay, then interact with the slider and set the delay to 0 seconds. Close the window with Command-W. Now if you move your mouse cursor with Mouse Keys, or if you move your finger along the Trackpad, VO will speak what is under the mouse. You can also use your Trackpad to explore your screen this way, and move to locations independent of navigating to controls that are exposed to VoiceOver, if you set VoiceOver to speak text under the mouse this way, and turn cursor tracking off (VO+Shift+F3; but remember to turn it on again with the same shortcut when you're done; and when you use your Trackpad this way you should not have Trackpad Commander enabled). There are other commands that will describe what is under the VoiceOver cursor, whether or not you you have your verbosity set to speak text under the mouse. VO+F5 will describe what is under the mouse, while VO+F5+F5 and VO+F5+F5+F5 will describe the x and y pixel coordinates of your mouse cursor (relative to the top left corner of your screen, or of your window). (If you use these with Mouse Keys, it can be helpful to lock your VoiceOver keys with VO+semi-colon before turning Mouse Keys on. That way you only have to press the F5 key to report positions. Again, remember to unlock your VoiceOver keys by pressing semi-colon when you are done.) Hope this did not overload you with information. For many instances, just using the Trackpad, without necessarily having to use Mouse Keys, may give you the accessibility that you need. And for information purposes, most controls and icons on the screen are extended in size, You'll hear VO announce that element when the mouse cursor is anywhere over the icon. For example, if you explore the menu bar icons with Mouse Keys, most of the icons are 30 pixels by 30 pixels in size. On web pages, some web designers will make the clickable area large for ease of use. On your question about VO+space bar, you would normally be able to click, or Control+Click with mouse or trackpad (for a context menu), to perform any actions via hardware clicks. Do you need to use VO+space bar? HTH. Cheers, Esther On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:24:14 AM UTC-10, Edward Green wrote: Hi all, Many thanks for your helpful responses. Esther, thanks for the detail on navigating with the mouse - that was going to be my next question. I have a couple of follow up questions on your post if that's ok. Firstly, if I have mouse keys enabled, are there any settings I need to change in order to get Voiceover to read items under the mouse as I navigate? I took from your post that there might be, but wasn't sure. Secondly, when I turn mouse keys on in Accessibility under System Preferences, VO spacebar ceases to work, and I wondered why this might be. I know you said that mouse keys could create conflicts on laptops, but I don't have numpad commander enabled. I was able to rectify the situation by using the trackpad to unstick the setting, and have just set up the option key as a toggle. Thanks for any help. Cheers, Ed On 29 Jul 2013, at 22:54, Esther wrote: Hi Ed, To add to what Teresa said, when you use VO-Space this is a VoiceOver-specifc software shortcut that means perform the default action for a given situation -- which could be to click on an element. VO-Shift-Space is another VoiceOver specific software shortcut for clicking your mouse cursor. Pressing the return key will return the default selections in dialog windows, and is hardware-based and does not rely on whether you are using VoiceOver, but it doesn't have an effect when you are supposed to click with a mouse or trackpad on a web page element. I usually distinguish between hardware clicks and software clicks. Hardware clicks (with TrackPad, Mouse, or with the Mouse Keys accessibility solution) work everywhere. VoiceOver-specific software keyclicks may work if an application is accessible, but otherwise may not work. The other part of clicking on a web element such as a clickable element is making sure that your mouse cursor is actually on the element in question. (This is really annoying, because in some cases I have to change my cursor tracking preferences under VoiceOVer Utility to either Mouse Cursor follows VoiceOver Cursor or Mouse Cursor moves VoiceOver Cursor in order for things to work in environments of transitioning accessibility, such as in the iCloud or old Mobile Me web pages, or when iTunes or Automator was first being made accessible). However, in most instances you only need to make sure, after routing your mouse cursor to your
Safari and clickable elements
Hi, Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy. Many thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Safari and clickable elements
HI. try routing the mouse to the vo cursor with vo command f 5 and doing a vo shift space twice to double click the mouse. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 30/07/2013, at 6:37 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy. Many thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Safari and clickable elements
Clickable elements can be very tricky, depending on how the web designer has implemented Javascript. For example, on the concertwindow.com site, There are several elements on the front page that rarely do anything when clicked. I find that i have to try various methods on different sites, including VO-shift-space, turn on mouse keys and do a num-pad-5, or use the trackpad. Sometimes just VO-space works. The nice thing about mouse keys is that they are actual mouse clicks and are not dependent on VO. Neither is the trackpad when trackpad commander is turned off. HtH, Teresa On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. try routing the mouse to the vo cursor with vo command f 5 and doing a vo shift space twice to double click the mouse. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 30/07/2013, at 6:37 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy. Many thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Safari and clickable elements
HI. when you turn track pad commander off how do you figure out where you are? thanks Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 30/07/2013, at 7:06 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: Clickable elements can be very tricky, depending on how the web designer has implemented Javascript. For example, on the concertwindow.com site, There are several elements on the front page that rarely do anything when clicked. I find that i have to try various methods on different sites, including VO-shift-space, turn on mouse keys and do a num-pad-5, or use the trackpad. Sometimes just VO-space works. The nice thing about mouse keys is that they are actual mouse clicks and are not dependent on VO. Neither is the trackpad when trackpad commander is turned off. HtH, Teresa On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. try routing the mouse to the vo cursor with vo command f 5 and doing a vo shift space twice to double click the mouse. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 30/07/2013, at 6:37 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy. Many thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Safari and clickable elements
Hi Ed, To add to what Teresa said, when you use VO-Space this is a VoiceOver-specifc software shortcut that means perform the default action for a given situation -- which could be to click on an element. VO-Shift-Space is another VoiceOver specific software shortcut for clicking your mouse cursor. Pressing the return key will return the default selections in dialog windows, and is hardware-based and does not rely on whether you are using VoiceOver, but it doesn't have an effect when you are supposed to click with a mouse or trackpad on a web page element. I usually distinguish between hardware clicks and software clicks. Hardware clicks (with TrackPad, Mouse, or with the Mouse Keys accessibility solution) work everywhere. VoiceOver-specific software keyclicks may work if an application is accessible, but otherwise may not work. The other part of clicking on a web element such as a clickable element is making sure that your mouse cursor is actually on the element in question. (This is really annoying, because in some cases I have to change my cursor tracking preferences under VoiceOVer Utility to either Mouse Cursor follows VoiceOver Cursor or Mouse Cursor moves VoiceOver Cursor in order for things to work in environments of transitioning accessibility, such as in the iCloud or old Mobile Me web pages, or when iTunes or Automator was first being made accessible). However, in most instances you only need to make sure, after routing your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor, that you issue a hardware click. Since I don't use a mouse with my Mac laptops, I usually click on elements using Mouse Keys. If you are using a full size keyboard with NumPad Commander turned on, you can alternatively use the NumPad Commander shortcut to click (I think this is Control+5 on the numeric keypad if you use the default settings, but you should check this). And if you use the TrackPad you should turn off TrackPad Commander and make sure that you press down hard enough to register a click. You should not have both Mouse Keys and NumPad Commander turned on at the same time, because they lead to conflicting key definitions. (On a laptop, this can make some of your keys completely unusable until you sort this.) Mouse Keys is an accessibility solution for people with motion disabilities that make it difficult for them to move a mouse precisely to a link or form control where they need to click or activate or enter text. VoiceOver users can use Mouse Keys in a couple of settings: 1) to click on elements like your clickable links where there are accessibility issues in the setup or application that prevent the VoiceOver shortcuts from working correctly and 2) to move the mouse cursor to screen locations independently of VoiceOver's navigation. Again, case 2 is an accessibility problem area. It may be that player controls can be activated by clicking on them, but the controls are not exposed to VoiceOver, so you can't move there independently. However, if you can move your mouse cursor to that position, and click, you can activate the controls. If you set up VoiceOver to announce what's under the mouse as you move over the controls navigating with Mouse Keys, you can find out where the controls are and then click them. Usually, you use external clues for the position of the controls so you're not exploring randomly. Once your know where they are relative to a screen element that VoiceOver can see, you can navigate there again knowing the offsets. Hope this sketchy explanation works. On extended keyboards, the Mouse Keys are the 9 number keys of the numeric keypad, with the central 5 key acting as the current position of the mouse that can be clicked. Pressing the number keys around that position moves the mouse one screen pixel in that direction (left, right, up, down, or diagonally). So if you press the 4 key to the left of the 5, you move the mouse 1 pixel to the left. Press the 6 key and move to the right. Press the 8 key and move up, etc. On a laptop the mouse keys are where the embedded numeric keypad used to be: the keys below the 7 8 9 keys on the right side of the keyboard, with 7 8 9 on the top row corresponding to 7 8 9 on the numeric keypad, u i o for 4 5 6, and j k l for 1 2 3. So the i key is in the central position of the 5 key on the numeric keypad, and you click by pressing this key when Mouse Keys are turned on. You can set up turning Mouse Keys on and off with 5 presses of the Option key. Go to the Accessibility under System Preferences with Option+F5, and in the Mouse Trackpad pane check the box for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys off and on, then close the window with Command+W. So, route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor, turn Mouse Keys on, click, and then turn Mouse keys off. This may be set up to click with Fn+i on a laptop under Mountain Lion, though just pressing i will work in Lion
Re: Safari and clickable elements
Hi Maria, Hopefully, when you turned TrackPad Commander off, you didn't move position when you use the rotor gesture. If you use Mouse Keys to click, there's an option you can check to ignore built-in trackpad when mouse keys are being used. Also, presumably you can also check position on the elements with keyboard and navigation shortcuts, and route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor with VO+Command+F5. Finally, there are shortcuts like VO+F5 to describe what is under the mouse that you could set up custom gestures for. HTH. Cheers, Esther On 29 Jul 2013, at 11:13, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: HI. when you turn track pad commander off how do you figure out where you are? thanks Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 30/07/2013, at 7:06 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: Clickable elements can be very tricky, depending on how the web designer has implemented Javascript. For example, on the concertwindow.com site, There are several elements on the front page that rarely do anything when clicked. I find that i have to try various methods on different sites, including VO-shift-space, turn on mouse keys and do a num-pad-5, or use the trackpad. Sometimes just VO-space works. The nice thing about mouse keys is that they are actual mouse clicks and are not dependent on VO. Neither is the trackpad when trackpad commander is turned off. HtH, Teresa On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. try routing the mouse to the vo cursor with vo command f 5 and doing a vo shift space twice to double click the mouse. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 30/07/2013, at 6:37 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy. Many thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Safari and clickable elements
thanks ester. helpful post as usual. You're a gem. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 30/07/2013, at 8:07 AM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Maria, Hopefully, when you turned TrackPad Commander off, you didn't move position when you use the rotor gesture. If you use Mouse Keys to click, there's an option you can check to ignore built-in trackpad when mouse keys are being used. Also, presumably you can also check position on the elements with keyboard and navigation shortcuts, and route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor with VO+Command+F5. Finally, there are shortcuts like VO+F5 to describe what is under the mouse that you could set up custom gestures for. HTH. Cheers, Esther On 29 Jul 2013, at 11:13, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: HI. when you turn track pad commander off how do you figure out where you are? thanks Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 30/07/2013, at 7:06 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: Clickable elements can be very tricky, depending on how the web designer has implemented Javascript. For example, on the concertwindow.com site, There are several elements on the front page that rarely do anything when clicked. I find that i have to try various methods on different sites, including VO-shift-space, turn on mouse keys and do a num-pad-5, or use the trackpad. Sometimes just VO-space works. The nice thing about mouse keys is that they are actual mouse clicks and are not dependent on VO. Neither is the trackpad when trackpad commander is turned off. HtH, Teresa On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: HI. try routing the mouse to the vo cursor with vo command f 5 and doing a vo shift space twice to double click the mouse. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 30/07/2013, at 6:37 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apologies if this seems like a silly question, but if Voiceover announces that something is clickable on a web page, in OSX how do I click/activate it? I've tried VO space as well as return, but haven't had any joy. Many thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
clickable?
Hi, when you come across a place on a web page in safari(or any other web browser on the mac I suppose), and it says clickable, how do you handle this? I have tried everything I can think of to access the information and nothing has worked. vo space, vo shift space, option enter(I was desperate!)-nothing worked). I also tried turning off my track pad commander and tapping the lower left corner of my track pad to simulate a mouse click, but nothing. A sighted friend told me that in this situation, she sees a message on screen which says click to view next to where I have to click. When she clicks her mouse on that, a little box pops up and voila, she can read the information. The site in question at first was www.skinnycow.com any of their products has nutritional information, but when you try to access any of it, it says nutritional information, click below to get complete information nutritional information(clickable) then when you do, nothing anyway, help! thanks! Caitlyn ps-I've run across this on other sites, too, but this one, and the lara bar site, have been the latest ones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: clickable?
Hi, It depends on the site. Usually VO-space works. But the information could pop up anywhere. If it's not directly underneath the text, I usually look at the bottom of the page. Brandon www.chrits-light-ministries.org Preorder my book, Healing Beyond Healing, to learn and master the art of holistic healing. On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Hi, when you come across a place on a web page in safari(or any other web browser on the mac I suppose), and it says clickable, how do you handle this? I have tried everything I can think of to access the information and nothing has worked. vo space, vo shift space, option enter(I was desperate!)-nothing worked). I also tried turning off my track pad commander and tapping the lower left corner of my track pad to simulate a mouse click, but nothing. A sighted friend told me that in this situation, she sees a message on screen which says click to view next to where I have to click. When she clicks her mouse on that, a little box pops up and voila, she can read the information. The site in question at first was www.skinnycow.com any of their products has nutritional information, but when you try to access any of it, it says nutritional information, click below to get complete information nutritional information(clickable) then when you do, nothing anyway, help! thanks! Caitlyn ps-I've run across this on other sites, too, but this one, and the lara bar site, have been the latest ones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: clickable?
Clickables are things that, if you just leave your mouse/cursor sit on them for a certain period, will open or expand information windows about the item. Sometimes you can VO space of VO shift space (mouse click) on the clickable to do this, but you don't have to. Often, VO just says Clickable when there's nothing there to click. It's kinda like data detector present. Not much to really worry over. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: clickable?
Hmm, ok, thanks, I'll have to try that and see if that works next time. Caitlyn On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote: Hi, It depends on the site. Usually VO-space works. But the information could pop up anywhere. If it's not directly underneath the text, I usually look at the bottom of the page. Brandon www.chrits-light-ministries.org Preorder my book, Healing Beyond Healing, to learn and master the art of holistic healing. On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Hi, when you come across a place on a web page in safari(or any other web browser on the mac I suppose), and it says clickable, how do you handle this? I have tried everything I can think of to access the information and nothing has worked. vo space, vo shift space, option enter(I was desperate!)-nothing worked). I also tried turning off my track pad commander and tapping the lower left corner of my track pad to simulate a mouse click, but nothing. A sighted friend told me that in this situation, she sees a message on screen which says click to view next to where I have to click. When she clicks her mouse on that, a little box pops up and voila, she can read the information. The site in question at first was www.skinnycow.com any of their products has nutritional information, but when you try to access any of it, it says nutritional information, click below to get complete information nutritional information(clickable) then when you do, nothing anyway, help! thanks! Caitlyn ps-I've run across this on other sites, too, but this one, and the lara bar site, have been the latest ones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: clickable?
ok, but in this case, it was the specific nutritional information for the product. There didn't seem to be any other way to get it but to click on what at first appeared to be a link-until I slowed down and listened and heard that clickable, that is. Cait On Sep 26, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Clickables are things that, if you just leave your mouse/cursor sit on them for a certain period, will open or expand information windows about the item. Sometimes you can VO space of VO shift space (mouse click) on the clickable to do this, but you don't have to. Often, VO just says Clickable when there's nothing there to click. It's kinda like data detector present. Not much to really worry over. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: text elements and clickable
Thanks Carolyn, and yes, I would expect that you would make sure it's ok with apple before allowing others to utilise it. Cheers Simon f From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2010 2:53 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: text elements and clickable Hi Simon: I was actually thinking of sharing the information. I just want to be certain it doesn't violate any sort of contract with the Apple Store. When I'm next on my mac, I'll forward the info. Thanks for asking. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Simon mailto:si...@blinky-net.com Fogarty To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:42 AM Subject: RE: text elements and clickable Hi Carolyn, I have to ask, but is there any chance you might let the list have the link to that page with the training information So those of us that may be very basic / beginnerusers could possibly benefit from the information as well? If not then hay tat would be fine as you probably paid for the access. But just thought I'd ask. Cheers Simon. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ch...@q.com Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2010 2:40 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: text elements and clickable Hi everyone: I had my firwt training session through Apple's One to one program. It was interesting, anda little peculiar. My training ws held in the middle of the store, with all the noise and bustle of a Friday afternoon. I got familiarized a little more with the visual layout of the screens, the menu bar, and some of the voiceover utility. As part of this program, I receive access to a special page of tutorials, and other tools. Gee, I have a long way to go. So, I was exploring this page, and came across a very bsic question, the answer to which will probably enable me to move along independently and set goals for my next training session. On this page, are a number of links, headers, levels, etc. clicking on links (using VO/spacebar, what then appears are text elements that say clickable. Probably very simple, but nothing I do brings the clickable text elements to life. Tia for any help with this. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: text elements and clickable
Hi Carolyn, I have to ask, but is there any chance you might let the list have the link to that page with the training information So those of us that may be very basic / beginnerusers could possibly benefit from the information as well? If not then hay tat would be fine as you probably paid for the access. But just thought I'd ask. Cheers Simon. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ch...@q.com Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2010 2:40 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: text elements and clickable Hi everyone: I had my firwt training session through Apple's One to one program. It was interesting, anda little peculiar. My training ws held in the middle of the store, with all the noise and bustle of a Friday afternoon. I got familiarized a little more with the visual layout of the screens, the menu bar, and some of the voiceover utility. As part of this program, I receive access to a special page of tutorials, and other tools. Gee, I have a long way to go. So, I was exploring this page, and came across a very bsic question, the answer to which will probably enable me to move along independently and set goals for my next training session. On this page, are a number of links, headers, levels, etc. clicking on links (using VO/spacebar, what then appears are text elements that say clickable. Probably very simple, but nothing I do brings the clickable text elements to life. Tia for any help with this. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: text elements and clickable
Hi Simon: I was actually thinking of sharing the information. I just want to be certain it doesn't violate any sort of contract with the Apple Store. When I'm next on my mac, I'll forward the info. Thanks for asking. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Simon Fogarty To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:42 AM Subject: RE: text elements and clickable Hi Carolyn, I have to ask, but is there any chance you might let the list have the link to that page with the training information So those of us that may be very basic / beginnerusers could possibly benefit from the information as well? If not then hay tat would be fine as you probably paid for the access. But just thought I'd ask. Cheers Simon. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ch...@q.com Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2010 2:40 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: text elements and clickable Hi everyone: I had my firwt training session through Apple's One to one program. It was interesting, anda little peculiar. My training ws held in the middle of the store, with all the noise and bustle of a Friday afternoon. I got familiarized a little more with the visual layout of the screens, the menu bar, and some of the voiceover utility. As part of this program, I receive access to a special page of tutorials, and other tools. Gee, I have a long way to go. So, I was exploring this page, and came across a very bsic question, the answer to which will probably enable me to move along independently and set goals for my next training session. On this page, are a number of links, headers, levels, etc. clicking on links (using VO/spacebar, what then appears are text elements that say clickable. Probably very simple, but nothing I do brings the clickable text elements to life. Tia for any help with this. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
text elements and clickable
Hi everyone: I had my firwt training session through Apple's One to one program. It was interesting, anda little peculiar. My training ws held in the middle of the store, with all the noise and bustle of a Friday afternoon. I got familiarized a little more with the visual layout of the screens, the menu bar, and some of the voiceover utility. As part of this program, I receive access to a special page of tutorials, and other tools. Gee, I have a long way to go. So, I was exploring this page, and came across a very bsic question, the answer to which will probably enable me to move along independently and set goals for my next training session. On this page, are a number of links, headers, levels, etc. clicking on links (using VO/spacebar, what then appears are text elements that say clickable. Probably very simple, but nothing I do brings the clickable text elements to life. Tia for any help with this. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hello James, To read articles on the Web, I switch to DOM mode using a keyboard commander hot key I've created. I then use the Web Rotor to select the level 1 heading with which most articles begin. I use VO-a to read the article. In general, I prefer Group mode, but when reading articles, group mode puts all links together at the end of each paragraph turning the whole thing into nonsense. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hi carlene, You can pick any news story on the BBC site, but here is the article I was reading. I would be curious to see if you get the same results as I did. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8411318.stm Thanks for your help TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:50, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
HI, I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, really. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hi, Yeah, that's the interesting part. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:05 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Nic, Generally, these instances of clickable do not seem to be clickable in fact lol. TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: HI, I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, really. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
What I do when I hear clickable and I might be interested is to click the mouse button with numbed 5 if you have the numbed commander on or Vo/shift/space if not. That seems to work the best. On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Yeah, that's the interesting part. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:05 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Nic, Generally, these instances of clickable do not seem to be clickable in fact lol. TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: HI, I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, really. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Hi Carlene, No, I didn't use VO A to rea the article, I used the VO navigation to read it. Thank you for all of your help. I am a long time Mac user, but have only recently come back to the Mac. TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:06, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; I didn't encounter them in the article itself, but the page is full of them. Did you use VO/a to read the article once you got to it? That's what I did. I wonder if somehow your display is set differently so that you are seeing all of those clickable objects that might be at the end of each line? I notice there are several ways you can view the page. I didn't choose low graphics, accessibility, or anything else. I'll have to think on it though I am no expert and am a new Mac user myself. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:56 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene, You can pick any news story on the BBC site, but here is the article I was reading. I would be curious to see if you get the same results as I did. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8411318.stm Thanks for your help TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:50, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Thanks Carlene, TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:53, carlene knight wrote: What I do when I hear clickable and I might be interested is to click the mouse button with numbed 5 if you have the numbed commander on or Vo/shift/space if not. That seems to work the best. On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Yeah, that's the interesting part. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:05 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Nic, Generally, these instances of clickable do not seem to be clickable in fact lol. TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: HI, I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, really. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr
Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web
Maybe the VO navigation reads it differently. Come to think of it, I had a bunch of graphics or something in an article a while back so I stopped reading text that way. I had forgotten about that. I use the item chooser if I know the subject of the article that I want to read an once I get to the text, I hit enter to select it and then VO/a to read it to the end. On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:42 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Carlene, No, I didn't use VO A to rea the article, I used the VO navigation to read it. Thank you for all of your help. I am a long time Mac user, but have only recently come back to the Mac. TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:06, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; I didn't encounter them in the article itself, but the page is full of them. Did you use VO/a to read the article once you got to it? That's what I did. I wonder if somehow your display is set differently so that you are seeing all of those clickable objects that might be at the end of each line? I notice there are several ways you can view the page. I didn't choose low graphics, accessibility, or anything else. I'll have to think on it though I am no expert and am a new Mac user myself. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:56 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene, You can pick any news story on the BBC site, but here is the article I was reading. I would be curious to see if you get the same results as I did. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8411318.stm Thanks for your help TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:50, carlene knight wrote: What's the URL? Now you've got me curious. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi carlene Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go back and check. Thanks again TC James On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote: Hi James; Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line you just read. For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article. Clicking on it would take you to that article. What you were reading must have a lot of references.. HOpe that helps. On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi list, Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of? Thanks TC James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: Clickable
Hi, Clickable is a valid html element that turns an item into something like a link with a few minor different properties. You should be able to click the mouse cursor on one of these items and and some action should occur. If the site you cite has items labeled clickable that are not it is because their html and/or JavaScript is broken. Whatever content pops up or is otherwise presented to you when you click on such an object is up to the authors of the page and is not a function of the clickable property, Safari or pretty much anything else you use. For more on this, you can look at the web content guidelines or, more to the point for your issue, the web content accessibility guidelines and the web user agent guidelines. The WCAG tells web authors how to make the clickable item accessible and the UAG tells screen reader and other access technology authors how it should be presented to the user. All of these guidelines plus lots more great stuff can be found at: www.w3c.org/wai . The WAI stands for web accessibility initiative. Happy Eugene Debbs Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Justin Harford wrote: Hello On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Those things that VO has reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable OK very well. So in this article http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives me a pop-up? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Hi, Another thought: You say that you are navigating by text block which may report clickable if anything in the block indeed has the clickable property. You may want to navigate in smaller chunks so as to find out which word/words have the clickable property. Happy Jack Reed Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, Clickable is a valid html element that turns an item into something like a link with a few minor different properties. You should be able to click the mouse cursor on one of these items and and some action should occur. If the site you cite has items labeled clickable that are not it is because their html and/or JavaScript is broken. Whatever content pops up or is otherwise presented to you when you click on such an object is up to the authors of the page and is not a function of the clickable property, Safari or pretty much anything else you use. For more on this, you can look at the web content guidelines or, more to the point for your issue, the web content accessibility guidelines and the web user agent guidelines. The WCAG tells web authors how to make the clickable item accessible and the UAG tells screen reader and other access technology authors how it should be presented to the user. All of these guidelines plus lots more great stuff can be found at: www.w3c.org/wai . The WAI stands for web accessibility initiative. Happy Eugene Debbs Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Justin Harford wrote: Hello On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Those things that VO has reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable OK very well. So in this article http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives me a pop-up? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
I don't drink coffee. On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:31 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Dude, switch to the decaf, the people on this list all (to my knowledge) volunteers and they do their best to help each other out. Further examination of your clickable issues may be indicated but you needn't be so snotty about it. Happy Alexander Berkman Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Justin Harford wrote: Hello On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Those things that VO has reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable OK very well. So in this article http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives me a pop-up? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
5 sep 2009 kl. 23.11 skrev Justin Harford: but it basically calls things clickable that really are not clickable. I haven't had any problems with this at all. Those things that VO has reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable. One tip though is that if you use groups mode, you may actually have to interact with the clickable text to be able to click on it. In my experience, the clickable things have worked better than it did on the PC with various screen readers where you had to route the mouse to the virtual cursor in order to actually click on the clickable object. As a slightly off-topic question sprung out of curiosity, i wonder how those clickables are made in html/javascript whatever? /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Just for the record: a Clickable item is different from a Mouse Over one. Often, though, a web item has both attributes. On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, you don't want to get rid of this, because it could be important. This indicates that the text you are on can be clicked, much like a link. It's the ame as window eyes calling something an on click, or jaws calling something mouse over. On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Mac Cougar wrote: Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Hello On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Those things that VO has reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable OK very well. So in this article http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives me a pop-up? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Clickable
Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Actually, you don't want to get rid of this, because it could be important. This indicates that the text you are on can be clicked, much like a link. It's the ame as window eyes calling something an on click, or jaws calling something mouse over. On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Mac Cougar wrote: Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
I think it's a wonderful thing that it says clickable. This means that VO in fact recognizes those kinds of new links that don't look like links. It had trouble with this in Leopard. /Krister 5 sep 2009 kl. 16.46 skrev Mac Cougar: Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
but it basically calls things clickable that really are not clickable. J El Sep 5, 2009, a las 10:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom escribió: I think it's a wonderful thing that it says clickable. This means that VO in fact recognizes those kinds of new links that don't look like links. It had trouble with this in Leopard. /Krister 5 sep 2009 kl. 16.46 skrev Mac Cougar: Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
If it says clickable, it's flagged that way in the code. On Sep 5, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Justin Harford wrote: but it basically calls things clickable that really are not clickable. J El Sep 5, 2009, a las 10:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom escribió: I think it's a wonderful thing that it says clickable. This means that VO in fact recognizes those kinds of new links that don't look like links. It had trouble with this in Leopard. /Krister 5 sep 2009 kl. 16.46 skrev Mac Cougar: Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Hello, Then explain to me why when I first installed Snow Leopard I had one page with clickable after almost every line and now they have all disappeared? On Sep 5, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: If it says clickable, it's flagged that way in the code. On Sep 5, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Justin Harford wrote: but it basically calls things clickable that really are not clickable. J El Sep 5, 2009, a las 10:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom escribió: I think it's a wonderful thing that it says clickable. This means that VO in fact recognizes those kinds of new links that don't look like links. It had trouble with this in Leopard. /Krister 5 sep 2009 kl. 16.46 skrev Mac Cougar: Hello, Snow Leopard is great and sure am glad it is up and running on my computer. When I get on the internet now I keep hearing the word clickable at the end of lines. Any ideas how I can get rid of this. It gets annoying after awhile. Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
