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Hi. No, there are lots of other options for people on a budget. There are all sorts of phones from LG that have built-in speech for basic functions like phone book, call log, and text. You can get them on other carriers than AT&T. You can even get low cost Windows smartphones on Verizon with MobileSpeak. Even if you get an iPhone, it isn't required that you use lots of mobile data. The Wi-Fi access is there for people on a budget, and the basic phone features don't require Internet access. Owning an iPhone, and also using it a lot over 3G, is totally an individual choice. The only thing that will annoy me is, if we pay more for Internet access, and the quality situation still doesn't improve. I think that it will improve a bit when many of the outrageously heavy network abusers get their first phone bill, and realize that they've streamed 20GB this month because of leaving Internet radio on all day every day. I think that will cause them to be a bit more picky about when they use the network. Some people will pay, no matter what AT&T charges. Some people will cut back a bit. What I'm really looking forward to is having the abusers kicked off with big bills, so they'll stop monopolizing the network. I normally don't use that much 3G network when I'm out. I mainly just access e-mail, web sites, and data for apps like GPS. When I'm traveling, or on business trips, I'll use apps like Netflix or Pandora much more than usual. It isn't so bad to pay a bit more during those times to be able to get entertainment while I'm waiting in an airport terminal or such, or if I can't find a Wi-Fi signal for my laptop. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:32 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the functionality On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more > I like it. > > Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network > performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has > become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large > part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those > people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything > on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get > a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You > don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network > capacity is gone. > > Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford > to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people > won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're > doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their > desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried > about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more > bandwidth for me. > > I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all > you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web > hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for > your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites > that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you > want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? > It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs > for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the > wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think > that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the > price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! > > how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i > want an I phone fo
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I agree, But they are options non the less inferrior ones. lol. I want an iPhone but I hate their plan. with sprint unlimited data includes text and mms. We also have mobile to mobile to all cell phones in the U.S. On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > The options before June of last year were to use one of the phones from LG or > other providers that offered limited access to basic phone functions or to > purchase one of the phones and put Talks or one of the other speech programs > on it. And, after using the iPhone, I really think those solutions were sub > par. The iPhone is far better than those solutions. > > On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I >> agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but >> it's not the only game in town. >> On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor >>> portable use >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Not enough competition? >>>> >>>> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much >>>> competition is needed? >>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much >>>>> competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is >>>>> not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why >>>>> this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more >>>>>> careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for >>>>>> the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>>>>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, >>>>>>> the more I like it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>>>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. >>>>>>> Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, >>>>>>> in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. >>>>>>> Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to >>>>>>> affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of >>>>>>> bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up >>>>>>> all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those >>>>>>> people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that >>>>>>> most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully >>>>>>> consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their >>>>>>> iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the >>>>>>> cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay >>>>>>> off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use >>>>>>> or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think >>>>>>> of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, >>>>>>> the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for >>>>>>> the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is >>>>
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sume a lot of >>>>>>> bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up >>>>>>> all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those >>>>>>> people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that >>>>>>> most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully >>>>>>> consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their >>>>>>> iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the >>>>>>> cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay >>>>>>> off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use >>>>>>> or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think >>>>>>> of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, >>>>>>> the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for >>>>>>> the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is >>>>>>> that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a >>>>>>> buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee >>>>>>> that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they >>>>>>> provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality >>>>>>> of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more >>>>>>> upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I >>>>>>> can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but >>>>>>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on >>>>>>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple >>>>>>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just >>>>>>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's >>>>>>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything >>>>>>> and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for >>>>>>> at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if >>>>>>> I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to >>>>>>> buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, >>>>>>>> most people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to >>>>>>>>> us
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>>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that >>>>>> you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. >>>>>> If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of >>>>>> unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset >>>>>> with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can >>>>>> pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>> >>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but >>>>>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on >>>>>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple >>>>>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just >>>>>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's >>>>>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything >>>>>> and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for >>>>>> at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I >>>>>> have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy >>>>>> I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone >>>>>>>> it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us >>>>>>>> who want to get an I phone >>>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has >>>>>>>>> made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but >>>>>>>>> jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch >>>>>>>>> rude to boot. >>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Conside
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re, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have downloaded. Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. Best regards Jorgen 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: I'm run
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The options before June of last year were to use one of the phones from LG or other providers that offered limited access to basic phone functions or to purchase one of the phones and put Talks or one of the other speech programs on it. And, after using the iPhone, I really think those solutions were sub par. The iPhone is far better than those solutions. On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I > agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but > it's not the only game in town. > On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor >> portable use >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Not enough competition? >>> >>> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much >>> competition is needed? >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition >>>> in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really >>>> motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad >>>> for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more >>>>> careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the >>>>> larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>>>> >>>>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>>>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>>>> more I like it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. >>>>>> Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in >>>>>> large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, >>>>>> those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively >>>>>> do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area >>>>>> before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider >>>>>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all >>>>>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. >>>>>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the >>>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that >>>>>> you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. >>>>>> If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of >>>>>> unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset >>>>>> with AT&T's network being clogged than
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gt;>>> large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, >>>>>> those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively >>>>>> do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area >>>>>> before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider >>>>>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all >>>>>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. >>>>>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the >>>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that >>>>>> you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. >>>>>> If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of >>>>>> unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset >>>>>> with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can >>>>>> pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>> >>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but >>>>>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on >>>>>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple >>>>>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just >>>>>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's >>>>>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything >>>>>> and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for >>>>>> at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I >>>>>> have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy >>>>>> I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>>&g
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thanks for that. they must have dropped me from the mailing list because i thought it was still $500. thanks and take care, max On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Mobile speak isn't $500 anymore. But I get your point. On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: I think you are right. just look at what happened with the unlimited data plans on air cards. They sold them and made them cheap to purchase and then had to discontinue the unlimited and cap them at 5 gb. but you know wat makes me mad? I'm a sprint customer. I have unlimited data on my phone that i can't use because sprint doesn't offer a phone with speach unless i want to buy one and then pay to put mobile me or something like that on it. I'm not going to put out 200 for a smart phone and then 500 for the software. the new blackberries with orator are only available for verizon, and as we all know the iphone is only available with a t & t. good luck to the iphone users. one question that may make me at least think about it, do you think i could manage my website from an iphone if i import the folder to one? something to think about. thanks again, max On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as the networks degrade even further. Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is. S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the functionality On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of stream
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lly high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have downloaded. Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. Best regards Jorgen 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can install os4. Can I? On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo
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n >>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider >>>>>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all >>>>>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. >>>>>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the >>>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that >>>>>> you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. >>>>>> If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of >>>>>> unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset >>>>>> with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can >>>>>> pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>> >>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but >>>>>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on >>>>>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple >>>>>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just >>>>>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's >>>>>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything >>>>>> and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for >>>>>> at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I >>>>>> have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy >>>>>> I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone >>>>>>>> it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us >>>>>>>> who want to get an I phone >>>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>&
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; network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>> >>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited >>>>> web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to >>>>> have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>> >>>>> Bryan >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>> >>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>>>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>>>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours >>>>> of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to >>>>> get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>>>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>>>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the >>>>> i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of >>>>> any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to >>>>> stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my >>>>> laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone >>>>>>> it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who >>>>>>> want to get an I phone >>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has >>>>>>>> made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but >>>>>>>> jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch >>>>>>>> rude to boot. >>>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >>>>>>>>> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >>>>>>>>> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitle
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Hi, Mobile speak isn't $500 anymore. But I get your point. On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > I think you are right. just look at what happened with the unlimited data > plans on air cards. They sold them and made them cheap to purchase and then > had to discontinue the unlimited and cap them at 5 gb. but you know wat > makes me mad? I'm a sprint customer. I have unlimited data on my phone that > i can't use because sprint doesn't offer a phone with speach unless i want to > buy one and then pay to put mobile me or something like that on it. I'm not > going to put out 200 for a smart phone and then 500 for the software. the > new blackberries with orator are only available for verizon, and as we all > know the iphone is only available with a t & t. good luck to the iphone > users. one question that may make me at least think about it, do you think i > could manage my website from an iphone if i import the folder to one? > something to think about. thanks again, max > On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one >> of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which >> sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay >> 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is >> to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they >> will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as >> the networks degrade even further. >> Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is. >> >> S >> On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for >>> what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us >>> can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable >>> solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half >>> the functionality >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>> more I like it. >>>> >>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before >>>> most of the network capacity is gone. >>>> >>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what >>>> they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at >>>> their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be >>>> worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which >>>> means more bandwidth for me. >>>> >>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web >>>> hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have >>>> it work well, then sign me
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imited. The result is that you >>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web >>>> hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have >>>> it work well, then sign me up. >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>> >>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >>>> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours >>>> of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to >>>> get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i >>>> pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any >>>> chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream >>>> audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On >>>> Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it >>>>>> was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who >>>>>> want to get an I phone >>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has >>>>>>> made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but >>>>>>> jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch >>>>>>> rude to boot. >>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >>>>>>>> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >>>>>>>> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope >>>>>>>> no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for >>>>>>>> the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to >>>>>>>> wait one entire week. >>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>>&
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Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but it's not the only game in town. On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor > portable use > On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Not enough competition? >> >> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much >> competition is needed? >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >> >>> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition >>> in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really >>> motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad >>> for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >>> >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >>>> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >>>> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>>> >>>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>> >>>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>>> more I like it. >>>>> >>>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>>>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in >>>>> large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, >>>>> those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>>>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area >>>>> before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>> >>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider >>>>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all >>>>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. >>>>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the >>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>> >>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited >>>>> web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to >>>>> have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>> >>>>> Bryan >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>> >>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>&
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c. They'll be worried >>>>>> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which >>>>>> means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you >>>>>> can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in >>>>>> quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise >>>>>> unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is >>>>>> unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites >>>>>> that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can >>>>>> download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee >>>>>> that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that >>>>>> they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully >>>>>> high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think >>>>>> that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I >>>>>> am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then >>>>>> sign me up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>> >>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone >>>>>> maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for >>>>>> yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and >>>>>> skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down >>>>>> 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a >>>>>> week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier >>>>>> can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>>>>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god >>>>>> forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in >>>>>> time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it >>>>>> except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I >>>>>> phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, >>>>>> 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is >>>>>>> not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the >>>>>>> feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was >>>>>>> definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in >>>>>>> the long run. >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t >>>>>>>> in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i >>>>>>>> doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job >>>>>>>> at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as >>>>>>>> well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre >>>>>>>> at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at >>>>>>>> 10:17 >>>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, >>>>>>>>> and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install >>>>>>>>> unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick >>>>>>>>> in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of >>>>>>>>> the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not >>>
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Hello; good point. I only asked because someone posted earlier that there is now a bluetooth keyboard you can use with the mac. I do all my coding by hand in html, and i use cute ftp for the mac. so, would have to find out about ftp clients on the iphone. that was a very good point. thanks, Max On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hmm I don't know. you might be able to if you code the pages and some how upload them via ftp but writing html in an iphone? probably no unless you get a blue tooth keyboard. Hmm I'll chew on this one. S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: I think you are right. just look at what happened with the unlimited data plans on air cards. They sold them and made them cheap to purchase and then had to discontinue the unlimited and cap them at 5 gb. but you know wat makes me mad? I'm a sprint customer. I have unlimited data on my phone that i can't use because sprint doesn't offer a phone with speach unless i want to buy one and then pay to put mobile me or something like that on it. I'm not going to put out 200 for a smart phone and then 500 for the software. the new blackberries with orator are only available for verizon, and as we all know the iphone is only available with a t & t. good luck to the iphone users. one question that may make me at least think about it, do you think i could manage my website from an iphone if i import the folder to one? something to think about. thanks again, max On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as the networks degrade even further. Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is. S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the functionality On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS
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Hmm I don't know. you might be able to if you code the pages and some how upload them via ftp but writing html in an iphone? probably no unless you get a blue tooth keyboard. Hmm I'll chew on this one. S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > I think you are right. just look at what happened with the unlimited data > plans on air cards. They sold them and made them cheap to purchase and then > had to discontinue the unlimited and cap them at 5 gb. but you know wat > makes me mad? I'm a sprint customer. I have unlimited data on my phone that > i can't use because sprint doesn't offer a phone with speach unless i want to > buy one and then pay to put mobile me or something like that on it. I'm not > going to put out 200 for a smart phone and then 500 for the software. the > new blackberries with orator are only available for verizon, and as we all > know the iphone is only available with a t & t. good luck to the iphone > users. one question that may make me at least think about it, do you think i > could manage my website from an iphone if i import the folder to one? > something to think about. thanks again, max > On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one >> of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which >> sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay >> 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is >> to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they >> will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as >> the networks degrade even further. >> Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is. >> >> S >> On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for >>> what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us >>> can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable >>> solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half >>> the functionality >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>> more I like it. >>>> >>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before >>>> most of the network capacity is gone. >>>> >>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what >>>> they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at >>>> their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be >>>> worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which >>>> means more bandwidth for me. >>>> >>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web >>>> hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&
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I think you are right. just look at what happened with the unlimited data plans on air cards. They sold them and made them cheap to purchase and then had to discontinue the unlimited and cap them at 5 gb. but you know wat makes me mad? I'm a sprint customer. I have unlimited data on my phone that i can't use because sprint doesn't offer a phone with speach unless i want to buy one and then pay to put mobile me or something like that on it. I'm not going to put out 200 for a smart phone and then 500 for the software. the new blackberries with orator are only available for verizon, and as we all know the iphone is only available with a t & t. good luck to the iphone users. one question that may make me at least think about it, do you think i could manage my website from an iphone if i import the folder to one? something to think about. thanks again, max On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as the networks degrade even further. Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is. S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the functionality On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job
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yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor portable use On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Not enough competition? > > I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition > is needed? > On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: > >> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition >> in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really >> motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad >> for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >> >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >>> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >>> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>> >>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>> more I like it. >>>> >>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before >>>> most of the network capacity is gone. >>>> >>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what >>>> they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at >>>> their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be >>>> worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which >>>> means more bandwidth for me. >>>> >>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web >>>> hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have >>>> it work well, then sign me up. >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>> >>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >>>> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours >>>> of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to >>>> get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth
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I agree actually with Bryan here. I was in a pool room and listening to one of my favorite radio networks. it buffered at 16k stereo dial up which sucked. but then again I think of it like this. some people will still pay 45 a month to use 3 gigs of data or more. so what at&t has done I think is to entice some of us to use more bandwidth and if they can pay for it they will. I prophesy that at&t and verison will get themselves in to a pickle as the networks degrade even further. Sorry for presenting both sides of the coin here but that's what it is. S On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what > used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT > afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution > that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the > functionality > On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >> more I like it. >> >> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything >> on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go >> get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per >> month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the >> network capacity is gone. >> >> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >> bandwidth for me. >> >> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all >> you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those >> web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth >> for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand >> sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all >> you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine >> dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover >> the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to >> the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I >> think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am >> about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >> >> Bryan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >> >> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off >> thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o >> ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did >> want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will >> have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of >> acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with >> my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, >> at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having >>> limits placed on you. The timing was defin
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if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the functionality On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more > I like it. > > Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network > performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has > become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large > part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those > people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything > on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get > a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You > don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network > capacity is gone. > > Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford > to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people > won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're > doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their > desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried > about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more > bandwidth for me. > > I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all > you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web > hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for > your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites > that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you > want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? > It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs > for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the > wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think > that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the > price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! > > how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i > want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also > want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the > telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of > streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off > thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o > ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did > want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will > have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of > acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with > my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at > 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing >> people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits >> placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up >> saving money in the long run. >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >>> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >>> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>> >>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanction
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Not enough competition? I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition is needed? On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: > I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in > the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really > motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for > consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. > > On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >> >> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for >> ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>> more I like it. >>> >>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone >>> can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 >>> per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of >>> the network capacity is gone. >>> >>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >>> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >>> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >>> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >>> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >>> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >>> bandwidth for me. >>> >>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other >>> thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can >>> download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant >>> for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages >>> to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you >>> descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and >>> buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being >>> clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, >>> then sign me up. >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>> >>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >>> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >>> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get >>> off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i >>> pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any >>> chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream >>> audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun >>> 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrot
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Definitely true. But both VZ and Sprint have better networks, that might give them some motivation, if Steve Jobs and friends hadn't chosen the brilliant plan of guaranteeing ATT customers because of the iPhone. Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: > I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in > the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really > motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for > consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. > > On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >> >> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for >> ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>> more I like it. >>> >>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >>> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >>> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone >>> can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 >>> per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of >>> the network capacity is gone. >>> >>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >>> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >>> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >>> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >>> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >>> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >>> bandwidth for me. >>> >>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other >>> thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can >>> download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant >>> for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages >>> to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you >>> descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and >>> buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being >>> clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, >>> then sign me up. >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>> >>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >>> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >>> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get >>> off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i >>> pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any >>> chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream >>> audio with my I phone
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I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. > I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger > amount of data, and continue their current behavior. > > I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for > ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. > Cheers, > Donna > On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >> more I like it. >> >> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything >> on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go >> get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per >> month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the >> network capacity is gone. >> >> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >> bandwidth for me. >> >> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all >> you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those >> web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth >> for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand >> sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all >> you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine >> dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover >> the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to >> the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I >> think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am >> about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >> >> Bryan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >> >> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off >> thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o >> ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did >> want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will >> have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of >> acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with >> my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, >> at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having >>> limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people >>> will end up saving money in the long run. >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>> >>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple do
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I have to ask, How on earth can you stay on a call for 72 hours!? :) Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > You bring up some good points. If I can use the wireless then I do but if I > use the 3g It will be limited to a bit of streaming, haytell, skype when I > can get it to work but not for 72 hour calls like I do on the wireless. lol! > I was actually surprised I was able to stream the 96kbps stereo for the 30 > seconds before my phone yelled at me. lol. > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >> more I like it. >> >> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large >> part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those >> people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything >> on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go >> get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per >> month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the >> network capacity is gone. >> >> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford >> to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people >> won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're >> doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their >> desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried >> about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more >> bandwidth for me. >> >> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all >> you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those >> web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth >> for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand >> sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all >> you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine >> dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover >> the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to >> the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I >> think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am >> about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >> >> Bryan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >> >> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also >> want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of >> streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off >> thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o >> ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did >> want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will >> have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of >> acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with >> my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, >> at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having >>> limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people >>> will end up saving money in the long run. >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>> >>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon >>>> wil
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Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more > I like it. > > Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network > performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has > become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large > part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those > people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything > on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get > a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You > don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network > capacity is gone. > > Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford > to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people > won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're > doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their > desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried > about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more > bandwidth for me. > > I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all > you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web > hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for > your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites > that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you > want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? > It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs > for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the > wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think > that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the > price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! > > how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i > want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also > want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the > telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of > streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off > thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o > ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did > want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will > have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of > acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with > my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at > 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing >> people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits >> placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up >> saving money in the long run. >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >>> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >>> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>> >>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>
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You bring up some good points. If I can use the wireless then I do but if I use the 3g It will be limited to a bit of streaming, haytell, skype when I can get it to work but not for 72 hour calls like I do on the wireless. lol! I was actually surprised I was able to stream the 96kbps stereo for the 30 seconds before my phone yelled at me. lol. On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more > I like it. > > Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network > performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has > become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large > part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those > people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything > on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get > a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You > don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network > capacity is gone. > > Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford > to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people > won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're > doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their > desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried > about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more > bandwidth for me. > > I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all > you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web > hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for > your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites > that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you > want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? > It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs > for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the > wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think > that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the > price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! > > how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i > want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also > want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the > telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of > streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off > thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o > ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did > want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will > have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of > acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with > my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at > 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing >> people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits >> placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up >> saving money in the long run. >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >>> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >>> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>> >>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>> blunt jumping ahead of
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I believe so as the streams are in mono and at about 16kbps or lower. I was listening to dishnuts and even the dial up stream buffered like the dickens so it is manageable but not satasfiying. On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > If you listen to a lot of talk radio, will you still be able to stay under > your 5 gigabytes? > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Agreed. I normally don't speak out over your oppiones but at&t has been >> nothing but nice to me and I'm even going to maybe consult the dev about >> making the app for the iphone they have more accessibal. Go for the iphone. >> 5 gigs is a lot and you will never use all of it. In fact I was out on 3g >> tuesday and only used 8 mb up and 300 k down. >> >> Ok I was playing with haytel and browsing for a phone number I lost ona a >> sebsite but I'm mostly on the wireless and if 8 mb is all I use when I'm on >> the go then so bee it. 2 gigs I'll never ever ever reach. >> >> S >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having >>> limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people >>> will end up saving money in the long run. >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be > blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just > because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made > itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping > ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. > On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no >> one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the >> official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait >> one entire week. >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >> >>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >>> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>> downloaded. >>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>> Best regards >>> Jorgen >>> >>> >>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all > of the > betas are there > > I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for > it. > > Cody > On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > >> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't >>> think I >>> can install os4. Can I? >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested
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Oh I'm not upset. I used 13 gig down and 2 mb up an that was just streaming and it is already the 16th of june. I will be way under 2 gig by the end of this month. llol! I do have unlimited but yeah. On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > the limit was 2 gig if it was 5 I wouldn't be upset > On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Agreed. I normally don't speak out over your oppiones but at&t has been >> nothing but nice to me and I'm even going to maybe consult the dev about >> making the app for the iphone they have more accessibal. Go for the iphone. >> 5 gigs is a lot and you will never use all of it. In fact I was out on 3g >> tuesday and only used 8 mb up and 300 k down. >> >> Ok I was playing with haytel and browsing for a phone number I lost ona a >> sebsite but I'm mostly on the wireless and if 8 mb is all I use when I'm on >> the go then so bee it. 2 gigs I'll never ever ever reach. >> >> S >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having >>> limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people >>> will end up saving money in the long run. >>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be > blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just > because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made > itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping > ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. > On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no >> one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the >> official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait >> one entire week. >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >> >>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >>> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>> downloaded. >>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>> Best regards >>> Jorgen >>> >>> >>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all > of the > betas are there > > I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for > it. > > Cody > On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > >> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't >>> think I >>> can install os4. Can I? >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you ca
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You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing > people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits > placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up > saving money in the long run. > On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I >> phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >> >>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt >>> jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we >>> can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable >>> out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a >>> touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. >>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta >>>> via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to >>>> install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one >>>> provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for th
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If you listen to a lot of talk radio, will you still be able to stay under your 5 gigabytes? On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Agreed. I normally don't speak out over your oppiones but at&t has been > nothing but nice to me and I'm even going to maybe consult the dev about > making the app for the iphone they have more accessibal. Go for the iphone. 5 > gigs is a lot and you will never use all of it. In fact I was out on 3g > tuesday and only used 8 mb up and 300 k down. > > Ok I was playing with haytel and browsing for a phone number I lost ona a > sebsite but I'm mostly on the wireless and if 8 mb is all I use when I'm on > the go then so bee it. 2 gigs I'll never ever ever reach. > > S > On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing >> people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits >> placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up >> saving money in the long run. >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >>> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >>> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real >>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the > beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how > to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one > provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the > official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait > one entire week. > On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > >> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >> downloaded. >> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >> Best regards >> Jorgen >> >> >> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >>> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. >>> Of >>> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these >>> downloads >>> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't >>> wait >>> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what >>> your >>> getting. >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't >> think I >> can install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by >>> doing >>> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >>> updates. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>> Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message be
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So, would you be upset if AT&T instead setup a price plan for users such as yourself and charged $100 a month for unlimited data? Maybe AT&T needs to "fix" their infrastructure, but they still reserve the right to charge whatever they choose for their service. YOu of course always have the option to choose the service and carrier. Of course there are a number of wi-fi hotspots available when your out and I suspect more carriers will be leveraging hotspots to relieve congestion on their networks. Of course you could always find another phone that meets your needs. :) Oh and what is the difference in "yapping" on the telephone or using Skype? Seems to me they both accomplish the same thing. On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i > want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also > want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the > telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of > streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off > thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o > ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did > want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will > have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of > acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with > my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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No you canb't. the data rate is different I believe. I'll have to look up where I saw a comaprison but I believe teh phone companies stram in bits not bytes so 8 mb I used for the whle day was not bad pluss I am onthe wireless network 99 poercent of the time. only when I'm out am I on edge or 3g. so I have not even touch the 3g network unless I'm ont he go with twitter, email, haytel, fring, I won't touch skype and stuff. I"ll have to be out all day and use the 3g one day to see how far I get with echolink and stuff. I can see my usage via the settings button I'll show anyone off list wiht a recording if you want. I'm not well versed but I'll show what I do know. Takecare all. On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i > want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also > want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the > telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of > streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off > thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o > ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did > want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will > have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of > acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with > my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop > On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing >> people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits >> placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up >> saving money in the long run. >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >>> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >>> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real >>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the > beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how > to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one > provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the > official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait > one entire week. > On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > >> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >> downloaded. >> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >> Best regards >> Jorgen >> >> >> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >>> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. >>> Of >>> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these >>> downloads >>> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't >>> wait >>> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what >>> your >>> getting. >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't >> think I >> can install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow.
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the limit was 2 gig if it was 5 I wouldn't be upset On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Agreed. I normally don't speak out over your oppiones but at&t has been > nothing but nice to me and I'm even going to maybe consult the dev about > making the app for the iphone they have more accessibal. Go for the iphone. 5 > gigs is a lot and you will never use all of it. In fact I was out on 3g > tuesday and only used 8 mb up and 300 k down. > > Ok I was playing with haytel and browsing for a phone number I lost ona a > sebsite but I'm mostly on the wireless and if 8 mb is all I use when I'm on > the go then so bee it. 2 gigs I'll never ever ever reach. > > S > On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing >> people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits >> placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up >> saving money in the long run. >> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >>> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new >>> I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >>> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >>> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real >>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the > beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how > to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one > provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the > official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait > one entire week. > On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > >> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >> downloaded. >> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >> Best regards >> Jorgen >> >> >> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >>> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. >>> Of >>> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these >>> downloads >>> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't >>> wait >>> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what >>> your >>> getting. >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't >> think I >> can install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by >>> doing >>> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >>> updates. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>> Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing > people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits > placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up > saving money in the long run. > On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I >> phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >> >>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt >>> jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we >>> can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable >>> out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a >>> touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. >>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. > How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find > the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have > downloaded. > Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. > Best regards > Jorgen > > > 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. >> Of >> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these >> downloads >> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't >> wait >> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what >> your >> getting. >> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >> >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of >>> the >>> betas are there >>> >>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. >>> >>> Cody >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't > think I > can install os4. Can I? > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by >> doing >> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >> updates. >> Best regards >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >> >>> Hi folkes. >>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you >>> translate >>> it with http://translate.google.com/ >>> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>> >>> -David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscri
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Agreed. I normally don't speak out over your oppiones but at&t has been nothing but nice to me and I'm even going to maybe consult the dev about making the app for the iphone they have more accessibal. Go for the iphone. 5 gigs is a lot and you will never use all of it. In fact I was out on 3g tuesday and only used 8 mb up and 300 k down. Ok I was playing with haytel and browsing for a phone number I lost ona a sebsite but I'm mostly on the wireless and if 8 mb is all I use when I'm on the go then so bee it. 2 gigs I'll never ever ever reach. S On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing > people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits > placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up > saving money in the long run. > On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball >> sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I >> phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will >> surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh >> beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone >> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >> >>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt >>> jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we >>> can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable >>> out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a >>> touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. >>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. > How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find > the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have > downloaded. > Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. > Best regards > Jorgen > > > 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. >> Of >> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these >> downloads >> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't >> wait >> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what >> your >> getting. >> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >> >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of >>> the >>> betas are there >>> >>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. >>> >>> Cody >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't > think I > can install os4. Can I? > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by >> doing >> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >> updates. >> Best regards >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >> >>> Hi folkes. >>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you >>> translate >>> it with http://translate.google.com/ >>> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>> >>> -David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@g
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It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball > sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I > phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will > surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh > beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone > as for trying a beta it's a beta get real > On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > >> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt >> jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we >> can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable >> out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a >> touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. >> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta >>> via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to >>> install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one >>> provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official >>> release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire >>> week. >>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have downloaded. Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. Best regards Jorgen 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : > Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what > your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of > course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads > are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait > either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your > getting. > On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > >> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of >> the >> betas are there >> >> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. >> >> Cody >> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >> >>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can install os4. Can I? On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing > that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and > updates. > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > >> Hi folkes. >> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate >> it with http://translate.google.com/ >> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >> >> -David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisio
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what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt > jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can > is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out > of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch > unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. > On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta >> via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to >> install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one >> provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official >> release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire >> week. >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >> >>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >>> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>> downloaded. >>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>> Best regards >>> Jorgen >>> >>> >>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the > betas are there > > I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. > > Cody > On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > >> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I >>> can install os4. Can I? >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate > it with http://translate.google.com/ > Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@goog
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No, I got your point. I think you just care more strongly than I. But I do believe you are correct. On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > I think you miss the point and honestly I realize I am wasting my time even > commenting to begin with, but sometimes it is hard to restrain myself. > Perhaps it does not ring on your morality meter, but the point you are > missing is wether it is two weeks or two years, it is still unethical and > illegal in most countries. And not to mention there is no guarantee that what > you got is free of not only but, but also malicious code. Maybe it would not > happen, but I would rather get my software from a legitimate source than some > torrent site. Then again, my curiosity just isn't very strong I guess. > > On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> I don't condone the use of pirated software but I mean really. They didn't >> ask what temperature to set the oven to cook little kids. lol. I do agree >> that this is probably not the forum to ask such questions. But in my >> opinion, getting something 2 weeks early that your going to get for free >> anyway, doesn't ring high on the morality meter. >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta >>> via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to >>> install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one >>> provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official >>> release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire >>> week. >>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have downloaded. Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. Best regards Jorgen 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : > Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what > your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of > course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads > are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait > either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your > getting. > On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > >> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of >> the >> betas are there >> >> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. >> >> Cody >> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >> >>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can install os4. Can I? On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing > that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and > updates. > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > >> Hi folkes. >> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate >> it with http://translate.google.com/ >> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >> >> -David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, se
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Hey Scott and all On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your > downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course > at the very least, do you not We don't know if the stuff we get from Apple has malicious code in it either. This isn't open source. That's the only code that can be reviewed to see if it has code the performs other then intended operations. They most certainly are illegal and so I am not recommending that anyone do this. I am certainly not going to update until after Apple offers me the update and even then I will wait for you all to try it first haha! > respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in > line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate > sources and you do not know what your getting. I don't want to wait either. Oh well... Have a nice day --FC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
I think you miss the point and honestly I realize I am wasting my time even commenting to begin with, but sometimes it is hard to restrain myself. Perhaps it does not ring on your morality meter, but the point you are missing is wether it is two weeks or two years, it is still unethical and illegal in most countries. And not to mention there is no guarantee that what you got is free of not only but, but also malicious code. Maybe it would not happen, but I would rather get my software from a legitimate source than some torrent site. Then again, my curiosity just isn't very strong I guess. On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > I don't condone the use of pirated software but I mean really. They didn't > ask what temperature to set the oven to cook little kids. lol. I do agree > that this is probably not the forum to ask such questions. But in my > opinion, getting something 2 weeks early that your going to get for free > anyway, doesn't ring high on the morality meter. > On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta >> via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to >> install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one >> provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official >> release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire >> week. >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >> >>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >>> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>> downloaded. >>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>> Best regards >>> Jorgen >>> >>> >>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the > betas are there > > I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. > > Cody > On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > >> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I >>> can install os4. Can I? >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate > it with http://translate.google.com/ > Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta > via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to > install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides > you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release > makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. > On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > >> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >> downloaded. >> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >> Best regards >> Jorgen >> >> >> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >>> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of >>> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads >>> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait >>> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your >>> getting. >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I >> can install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing >>> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >>> updates. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>> Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://group
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
I don't condone the use of pirated software but I mean really. They didn't ask what temperature to set the oven to cook little kids. lol. I do agree that this is probably not the forum to ask such questions. But in my opinion, getting something 2 weeks early that your going to get for free anyway, doesn't ring high on the morality meter. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta > via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to > install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides > you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release > makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. > On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > >> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find >> the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >> downloaded. >> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >> Best regards >> Jorgen >> >> >> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >>> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of >>> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads >>> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait >>> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your >>> getting. >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I >> can install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing >>> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >>> updates. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>> Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. > How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find > the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have > downloaded. > Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. > Best regards > Jorgen > > > 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : >> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what >> your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of >> course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads >> are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait >> either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your >> getting. >> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >> >>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the >>> betas are there >>> >>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. >>> >>> Cody >>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I > can install os4. Can I? > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing >> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and >> updates. >> Best regards >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >> >>> Hi folkes. >>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate >>> it with http://translate.google.com/ >>> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>> >>> -David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have downloaded. Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. Best regards Jorgen 2010/6/11, Scott Howell : > Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what > your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of > course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads > are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait > either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your > getting. > On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > >> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the >> betas are there >> >> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. >> >> Cody >> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >> >>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can install os4. Can I? On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing > that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and > updates. > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > >> Hi folkes. >> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate >> it with http://translate.google.com/ >> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >> >> -David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: > I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the > betas are there > > I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. > > Cody > On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > >> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I >>> can install os4. Can I? >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it > with http://translate.google.com/ > Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out all of the betas are there I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited for it. Cody On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: > hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can >> install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing >>> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>> Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is gone On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can > install os4. Can I? > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. >> We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. >> Best regards >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >> >>> Hi folkes. >>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it >>> with http://translate.google.com/ >>> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>> >>> -David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Install iOS 4 today!
So is this the official os 4 release or is it a beta release? Is it only for iphone or is it the update for the ipod touch also? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2010 8:51 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! Well I read th4e thing adn it seems easy but the ranslation is so garblede that I don't think I want to accomplish it. S On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:07 AM, David Hole wrote: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate > it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: > http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Yeah read the translation. it is a bit confusing to read and it did not translate the links if there were any! darn! On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:57 PM, william lomas wrote: > and cara and josh bitched at me for talkinga bout how to install it early? > hmmm > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Well I read th4e thing adn it seems easy but the ranslation is so garblede >> that I don't think I want to accomplish it. >> >> S >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:07 AM, David Hole wrote: >> >>> Hi folkes. >>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it >>> with http://translate.google.com/ >>> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>> >>> -David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Key word we should waite till the actile version comes out for the publick. I'm not a list mod but I'm sure that they would like us all not to talk about test versions. Besides if apple found out wouldn't they not be pleased with you? So please just keep those mentens of this off list. On 2010-06-09, at 4:08 PM, william lomas wrote: > it is as good as :) but only couple weeks left > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> Is this the official version? I don't want to install a clone that will >> mess things up. >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I >>> can install os4. Can I? >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it > with http://translate.google.com/ > Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> carlene knight >> http://carleneknight.blogspot.com >> ckni...@knight-toolworks.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
it is as good as :) but only couple weeks left On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:50 PM, carlene knight wrote: > Hi: > > Is this the official version? I don't want to install a clone that will mess > things up. > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can >> install os4. Can I? >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing >>> that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>> Hi folkes. For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > carlene knight > http://carleneknight.blogspot.com > ckni...@knight-toolworks.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
only got 2 weeks smile worth waiting now, this topic of installing beta shouldn't according to the grilling I got, be allowed On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Well I read th4e thing adn it seems easy but the ranslation is so garblede > that I don't think I want to accomplish it. > > S > On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:07 AM, David Hole wrote: > >> Hi folkes. >> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it >> with http://translate.google.com/ >> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >> >> -David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
and cara and josh bitched at me for talkinga bout how to install it early? hmmm On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Well I read th4e thing adn it seems easy but the ranslation is so garblede > that I don't think I want to accomplish it. > > S > On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:07 AM, David Hole wrote: > >> Hi folkes. >> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it >> with http://translate.google.com/ >> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >> >> -David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Well I read th4e thing adn it seems easy but the ranslation is so garblede that I don't think I want to accomplish it. S On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:07 AM, David Hole wrote: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with > http://translate.google.com/ > Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Hi: Is this the official version? I don't want to install a clone that will mess things up. On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can > install os4. Can I? > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. >> We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. >> Best regards >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >> >>> Hi folkes. >>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it >>> with http://translate.google.com/ >>> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>> >>> -David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > carlene knight http://carleneknight.blogspot.com ckni...@knight-toolworks.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I don't think I can install os4. Can I? On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. > We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > >> Hi folkes. >> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it >> with http://translate.google.com/ >> Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >> >> -David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install free apps and updates. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: > Hi folkes. > For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. > Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you translate it with > http://translate.google.com/ > Here's the guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install > > -David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
