Re: Skype Accessibility
I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries
Re: Skype Accessibility
You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Skype Accessibility
Re: startup focus/source. By design. Paid users DO have focus in contact list. Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the random HTML content described. Kevin On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's
RE: Skype Accessibility
OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Re: startup focus/source. By design. Paid users DO have focus in contact list. Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the random HTML content described. Kevin On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From
RE: Skype Accessibility
Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, why should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, it's honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once skype starts, but that's besides the point, I suppose. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Re: startup focus/source. By design. Paid users DO have focus in contact list. Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the random HTML content described. Kevin On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more
Re: Skype Accessibility
What does one mean pay, Skype is a free app. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2011, at 02:09 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, why should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, it's honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once skype starts, but that's besides the point, I suppose. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Re: startup focus/source. By design. Paid users DO have focus in contact list. Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the random HTML content described. Kevin On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes
RE: Skype Accessibility
There's a service called Skype Premium, and apparently paying for that gives you focus straight on the contact list when the app is launched. From what I understand, though, skype Premium's only main advantage is video calling features. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:04 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility What does one mean pay, Skype is a free app. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2011, at 02:09 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, why should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, it's honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once skype starts, but that's besides the point, I suppose. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Re: startup focus/source. By design. Paid users DO have focus in contact list. Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the random HTML content described. Kevin On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14
Re: Skype Accessibility
I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Skype Accessibility
Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
I'm sorry. maybe I should have been more direct in my meaning. Take as a primary instance and as the discussion has formed over this product, Skype. Because of the way the app is designed, it's coded in 2 versions. the microsoft windows compiled version and the mac compiled version using two programming formats. with reference to the accessibility coding rules, as far as microsoft are concerned, they have played their part, however because this product is a widespread application and developed as a port on the mac, accessibility management has to be applied. the XBOX is not a product I have any experience with what so ever so I cannot justify nor make comment on the product. My view is this. For a product to work for us, we need to be clear to developers of what we need in the form of screen reader support. So for this to happen, it's worth taking a few of us to each developer, explaining what we need out of the product, the solution, our willingness to be involved as beta testers / developers, etc to make a difference. A sighted person doesn't need adaptations to a product as it's straight forward GUI method, for a blind or visually impaired user, the adaptation is imperative. Otherwise what's the point. I'm not going any further as this might land me in trouble here for telling certain manufacturers of certain software what I think of them. so I won't lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:12, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility
Re: Skype Accessibility
There is a + button in the incoming call monitor labelled in VO as merge calls button Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry. maybe I should have been more direct in my meaning. Take as a primary instance and as the discussion has formed over this product, Skype. Because of the way the app is designed, it's coded in 2 versions. the microsoft windows compiled version and the mac compiled version using two programming formats. with reference to the accessibility coding rules, as far as microsoft are concerned, they have played their part, however because this product is a widespread application and developed as a port on the mac, accessibility management has to be applied. the XBOX is not a product I have any experience with what so ever so I cannot justify nor make comment on the product. My view is this. For a product to work for us, we need to be clear to developers of what we need in the form of screen reader support. So for this to happen, it's worth taking a few of us to each developer, explaining what we need out of the product, the solution, our willingness to be involved as beta testers / developers, etc to make a difference. A sighted person doesn't need adaptations to a product as it's straight forward GUI method, for a blind or visually impaired user, the adaptation is imperative. Otherwise what's the point. I'm not going any further as this might land me in trouble here for telling certain manufacturers of certain software what I think of them. so I won't lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:12, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc
Re: Skype Accessibility
But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences. CB On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net mailto:freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
I have no problems whatsoever with where i land when i open my app. If i land in Skype home, then so be it, it's just a matter of interacting with the first table you see and go to contacts and then stop interacting. What i have issues with is the fact that you can read facebook posts and comments in skype, and you can comment and stuff, but you can't write a status update only for facebook, it goes to skype and optionally to facebook, but that is not an accessibility issue, it's a handling issue and maybe you can even write comments only to facebook , but i just don't know how. /Krister 15 dec 2011 kl. 16:06 skrev Daniel Miller: There's a service called Skype Premium, and apparently paying for that gives you focus straight on the contact list when the app is launched. From what I understand, though, skype Premium's only main advantage is video calling features. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:04 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility What does one mean pay, Skype is a free app. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2011, at 02:09 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, why should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, it's honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once skype starts, but that's besides the point, I suppose. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Re: startup focus/source. By design. Paid users DO have focus in contact list. Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the random HTML content described. Kevin On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: You are using wrong way to filter. There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar. You need to enter the toolbar table and then navigate to a field which is labelled as Search search text field. Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and contact matching the string you entered. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: I very much agree. fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing. Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see
Re: Skype Accessibility
A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage. Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, Linux, etc, The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to sub platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option. the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner approach to creating a market app. I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves. Getting back to the developer side of things. I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain tools I use have been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade. Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk just to rake in the money. I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... That's a lovely burden you've got there kind of thing. lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote: But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences. CB On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
Re: Skype Accessibility
Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were pretty much totally inaccessible. I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make. Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that works with accessibility APIs? CB On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage. Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, Linux, etc, The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to sub platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option. the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner approach to creating a market app. I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves. Getting back to the developer side of things. I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain tools I use have been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade. Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk just to rake in the money. I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... That's a lovely burden you've got there kind of thing. lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote: But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences. CB On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net mailto:freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have
Re: Skype Accessibility
not to my knowledge. to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers. thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't interupt or conflict. anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote: Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were pretty much totally inaccessible. I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make. Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that works with accessibility APIs? CB On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage. Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, Linux, etc, The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to sub platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option. the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner approach to creating a market app. I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves. Getting back to the developer side of things. I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain tools I use have been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade. Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk just to rake in the money. I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... That's a lovely burden you've got there kind of thing. lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote: But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences. CB On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Re: Skype Accessibility
FYI: Skype does have blind VoiceOver beta testers, I was officially added as one of them a few days ago, I am plugged into system, betas, etc. No, I cannot and will not comment on future betas, things that may be fixed, broken, etc. However, please post any/all issues you've experienced, would like to see fixed, or think would be great to have within this specific thread, and I will do what I can to ensure that the product managers, engineers, etc. nkow about them. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: not to my knowledge. to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers. thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't interupt or conflict. anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote: Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were pretty much totally inaccessible. I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make. Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that works with accessibility APIs? CB On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage. Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, Linux, etc, The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to sub platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option. the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner approach to creating a market app. I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves. Getting back to the developer side of things. I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain tools I use have been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade. Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk just to rake in the money. I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... That's a lovely burden you've got there kind of thing. lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote: But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences. CB On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Skype Accessibility
Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
RE: Skype Accessibility
Hi, I wasn't talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it's running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn't just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi Kevin, I just wanted to note, and I'm quite sure you already know, that the chat tab is completely broken in Skype for IOS. All it does is read the dates of the chats. I'm going to try to downgrade from the latest update. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: FYI: Skype does have blind VoiceOver beta testers, I was officially added as one of them a few days ago, I am plugged into system, betas, etc. No, I cannot and will not comment on future betas, things that may be fixed, broken, etc. However, please post any/all issues you've experienced, would like to see fixed, or think would be great to have within this specific thread, and I will do what I can to ensure that the product managers, engineers, etc. nkow about them. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander turningbyto...@gmail.com wrote: not to my knowledge. to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers. thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't interupt or conflict. anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote: Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were pretty much totally inaccessible. I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make. Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that works with accessibility APIs? CB On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage. Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, Linux, etc, The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to sub platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option. the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner approach to creating a market app. I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves. Getting back to the developer side of things. I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain tools I use have been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade. Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk just to rake in the money. I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... That's a lovely burden you've got there kind of thing. lol lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote: But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences. CB On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users
Re: Skype Accessibility
As I said earlier. not familiar with the product. Pushes empty cardboard box around room whilst humming the theme from Monty Python's flying circus) lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 20:05, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received
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Daniel, It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do
RE: Skype Accessibility
Chris, I suppose you're right, but at least for something like navigation around a video game consoles menu system, Narrator could be perfect. But alas, Microsoft doesn't care about all its customers, and never will for as long as we live, so thank god I'm a mac user. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:13 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Daniel, It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasn't talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it's running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn't just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: Skype Accessibility
This issue is not so simple that one can just say MS has no interest in making Windows natively accessible. The issue has also been hashed out numerous times by now, and over many years. A lot of blind people would, and actually did, fight MS on this, asking them *not* to make a built-in screen reader on sufficient par with JAWS. The basic reason is that they would then naturally knock all the other solutions off the market before we, the blind users, had a chance to verify that MS would keep focus on accessibility, rather than dropping that focus and leaving us with absolutely nothing. Apple, with VoiceOver, had the distinct advantage of zero competition; so anything they did was better than the status quo. MS did not by any means have that luxury, and they still don't. What MS does have now is increased support for internal efforts toward a screen reader, caused I'm sure by VoiceOver's arrival for Apple. Time will tell where this takes us. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:12:54PM -0700, Chris Snyder wrote: Daniel, It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasnt talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since its running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldnt just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: [1]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googleg roups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: [2]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: [3]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[4][mailto:macvisionaries@googl egroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: [5]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker [6]rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 [7]www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: [8]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [9][mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: [10]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi guys. I was trying to decide if I wanted to weigh in on this. I wish to say that they have a lot of company when it comes to accessibility. Cy own sister-in-law, who does software development for her company, said to me, of all people, We just can't do it. There's just too many needs out there. My own brother, who is married to this gal, made all kinds of excuses once when we were discussing why the hotel people couldn't make some of their appliances like tv's accessible. I almost said to my sister-in-law, Apple did it, so what's wrong with the rest of you guys. Are they smarter than you or what? I decided that to keep peace in the family, especially since I was never going to change this stubborn gal's mind about this, that I would keep my big mouth shut. I'm afraid for people like this the law would have to be changed. In the meantime, let's hope my sister-in-law doesn't go to work for Apple. Regards, Gigi On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Daniel, It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything
Re: Skype Accessibility
lol fell off chair howling like crazy. sounds like someone I know only too well. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 21:24, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi guys. I was trying to decide if I wanted to weigh in on this. I wish to say that they have a lot of company when it comes to accessibility. Cy own sister-in-law, who does software development for her company, said to me, of all people, We just can't do it. There's just too many needs out there. My own brother, who is married to this gal, made all kinds of excuses once when we were discussing why the hotel people couldn't make some of their appliances like tv's accessible. I almost said to my sister-in-law, Apple did it, so what's wrong with the rest of you guys. Are they smarter than you or what? I decided that to keep peace in the family, especially since I was never going to change this stubborn gal's mind about this, that I would keep my big mouth shut. I'm afraid for people like this the law would have to be changed. In the meantime, let's hope my sister-in-law doesn't go to work for Apple. Regards, Gigi On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Daniel, It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app
Re: Skype Accessibility
Actually, going back to not seeing contacts when Skype starts, my focus always goes to the contact list. Maybe it's because I'm using Skype 5.3 or because when I turn off my computer, I never sign out or quit Skype. Also, I have it startup when I turn on the Mac. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi, Why do you think its a case of stepping on toes? I think its more a case of why bother if others are bothering for us? But on another note, narrator on windows 8 sounds like its gotten a shot in the arm. lol. For whatever that's worth. But I fear this is straying way off topic. :) Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Daniel, It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. Friendly, Chris -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for navigation around the consoles menus. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility exactly. trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, I've not missed out. there's better things to do in life isn't there? living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how accessible the console is if playing the game is all but impossible without vision. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility Hi, I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though. But then you would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and discrimination to users relying on the mac. lew On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? CB On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
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Hello Kevin. Thank you for sharing your post with us. The first thing I'd like to see on the Skype accessibility front for IOS and OS10 is the consistency of layout so that both interfaces look the same in terms of using Boice Over. Images get replaced with buttons when using Skype on the IOS platform. Buttons are all labeled in IOS devices, the dial pad whether be it in IOS or OS10 platforms have an edit field where you can copy and paste numbers when your contacts and I mean your address contacts are highlighted in the Skype application. I can't think of anything else unless some one can add to what I have said. Thanks and hope this helps and clarifies the situation. Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 05:00 AM, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Does the keyboard shortcut for switching conversations in 5.x Option+Cmd+Left/Right help? Is this an acceptable and workable solution to the issue with switching among various chats quickly? It's a lot faster and more effective than going to sources, scrolling, and back to HTML content. Kevin On 12/14/11, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: first i would like an easier way to start conference calls like 2.7 or 2.8 had and ways to have multiple windows like those versions without having to go back to those versions. On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi Kawal, Please see response inline: On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Hello Kevin. Thank you for sharing your post with us. You're veyr welcome. The first thing I'd like to see on the Skype accessibility front for IOS and OS10 is the consistency of layout so that both interfaces look the same in terms of using Boice Over. I'm not sure if this is possible, especially considering how Mac OS X and iOS interaction model, apps, and VoiceOver are so very different. Images get replaced with buttons when using Skype on the IOS platform. Please explain. Are you saying controls are images on Mac OS X and they are buttons on iOS? Buttons are all labeled in IOS devices, the dial pad whether be it in IOS or OS10 platforms have an edit field where you can copy and paste numbers when your contacts and I mean your address contacts are highlighted in the Skype application. Please explain. Is this is issue or observation? If it's an issue, what exactly is the issue? I can't think of anything else unless some one can add to what I have said. Please clarify, provide more information, and describe exactly what the issues are, Summary, steps to reproduce, and expected/actual results are very much appreciated. Thanks and hope this helps and clarifies the situation. No, it really doesn't, it confuses the situation even more. Kawal. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi Kevin. If you go to the Skype app on your I phone and you have the latest version installed, Go to the dial pad and try and call a contact in your address book. You can't as there is an image. I am saying that there are buttons on the IOS devices labeled as images. No images on the OS10. I am saying if you want to call a contact in your address book be it using OS10 or IOS, then it is difficult. In previous versions of Skype, we had a call button and edit field where you could copy and paste your desired number. I forget to say when using Skype on OS10, it is hard to get to your history and other tabs without using control tav. Hope this all makes sense. Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 09:20 AM, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kawal, Please see response inline: On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Hello Kevin. Thank you for sharing your post with us. You're veyr welcome. The first thing I'd like to see on the Skype accessibility front for IOS and OS10 is the consistency of layout so that both interfaces look the same in terms of using Boice Over. I'm not sure if this is possible, especially considering how Mac OS X and iOS interaction model, apps, and VoiceOver are so very different. Images get replaced with buttons when using Skype on the IOS platform. Please explain. Are you saying controls are images on Mac OS X and they are buttons on iOS? Buttons are all labeled in IOS devices, the dial pad whether be it in IOS or OS10 platforms have an edit field where you can copy and paste numbers when your contacts and I mean your address contacts are highlighted in the Skype application. Please explain. Is this is issue or observation? If it's an issue, what exactly is the issue? I can't think of anything else unless some one can add to what I have said. Please clarify, provide more information, and describe exactly what the issues are, Summary, steps to reproduce, and expected/actual results are very much appreciated. Thanks and hope this helps and clarifies the situation. No, it really doesn't, it confuses the situation even more. Kawal. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
In my opinion there is nothing that needs fixing in terms of accessibility in the MacOs skype client, however i have a question for the skype team: If i want to add someone to a conference i'm in, and that someone is calling that is i don't intend to call them, i intend to bring a caller in, can i do it in some way and is that way doable with VO and if not, can it be doable with VO? That's the only thing i'm missing. /Krister 14 dec 2011 kl. 06:00 skrev Kevin Chao: I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Skype Accessibility
I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hey Kevin, at least for me the things I'd like to see for Skype on the Mac is IM messages reading automatically. I know that there's been several on this list who have asked that and got the answer that it doesn't at this time so that's one of the things. Also, in earlier versions, I liked being able to view my contacts by status. I think it is a nuisance seeing your contacts in alphabetical order and confusing. I'd like that to be brought back. Thanks. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: Skype Accessibility
Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi Kevin! Well I'm running 5.2 something and on mine the Skype monitor is next to my table of contacts when I've got all my contacts listed and it tells me who's on or off line if I press the monitor button all I get is the online contacts and none of those who are offline! But Kawal might be running another version! hth Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:00, Kevin Chao wrote: Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: Skype Accessibility
Sorry, I also can't find it. Where next to the contact list? because it is the last item in the window. Or Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:13, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Kevin! Well I'm running 5.2 something and on mine the Skype monitor is next to my table of contacts when I've got all my contacts listed and it tells me who's on or off line if I press the monitor button all I get is the online contacts and none of those who are offline! But Kawal might be running another version! hth Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:00, Kevin Chao wrote: Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr
Re: Skype Accessibility
Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
Please be sure everyone are running the latest public Skype version from Skype.com, there’s a public 5.4 beta available. I cannot ensure or guarantee that all these issues will be fixed, but can assure that they are being reported properly, within the tracking system, and all the managers, engineers, and testers are seeing these issues. This is in huge contrast to how Skype Voiceover accessibility was handled before I was added as a beta tester, where people were talking about them, finding work-arounds, and settling for these issues within forums, mailing list, Twitter, etc. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Kevin, I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something positive? I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same. We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed. I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives. Kawal. On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon. Thanks, Kevin On 12/14/11, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not the only one. - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi Francisco! Do you know which version of skype your running! On the version I've got when I'm sitting on the contacts table if I vo left arrow the first thing I come to is the contacts monitor button! But that's on the version I'm running! Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:19, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: Sorry, I also can't find it. Where next to the contact list? because it is the last item in the window. Or Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:13, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Kevin! Well I'm running 5.2 something and on mine the Skype monitor is next to my table of contacts when I've got all my contacts listed and it tells me who's on or off line if I press the monitor button all I get is the online contacts and none of those who are offline! But Kawal might be running another version! hth Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:00, Kevin Chao wrote: Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: Skype Accessibility
It's Skype 5.3 Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:44, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Francisco! Do you know which version of skype your running! On the version I've got when I'm sitting on the contacts table if I vo left arrow the first thing I come to is the contacts monitor button! But that's on the version I'm running! Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:19, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: Sorry, I also can't find it. Where next to the contact list? because it is the last item in the window. Or Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:13, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Kevin! Well I'm running 5.2 something and on mine the Skype monitor is next to my table of contacts when I've got all my contacts listed and it tells me who's on or off line if I press the monitor button all I get is the online contacts and none of those who are offline! But Kawal might be running another version! hth Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:00, Kevin Chao wrote: Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: Skype Accessibility
Hi Francisco! Well I've just updated to 5.3 and yes it is different to 5.2! But I've found out if you press command+3 that is the monitor and will switch you from all contacts to just online contacts and back again! Command+2 will bring up the dile pad and command+1 says its for skype! So I hth! Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:50, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: It's Skype 5.3 Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:44, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Francisco! Do you know which version of skype your running! On the version I've got when I'm sitting on the contacts table if I vo left arrow the first thing I come to is the contacts monitor button! But that's on the version I'm running! Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:19, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: Sorry, I also can't find it. Where next to the contact list? because it is the last item in the window. Or Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:13, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Kevin! Well I'm running 5.2 something and on mine the Skype monitor is next to my table of contacts when I've got all my contacts listed and it tells me who's on or off line if I press the monitor button all I get is the online contacts and none of those who are offline! But Kawal might be running another version! hth Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:00, Kevin Chao wrote: Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between alphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favourites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customisable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable
Re: Skype Accessibility
Well, in Skype 5.4 beta, you can in fact view only your online contacts or all of them. There are tabs just to the left of the contacts table which can be used to adjust this. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Dec 14, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Francisco! Well I've just updated to 5.3 and yes it is different to 5.2! But I've found out if you press command+3 that is the monitor and will switch you from all contacts to just online contacts and back again! Command+2 will bring up the dile pad and command+1 says its for skype! So I hth! Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:50, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: It's Skype 5.3 Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:44, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Francisco! Do you know which version of skype your running! On the version I've got when I'm sitting on the contacts table if I vo left arrow the first thing I come to is the contacts monitor button! But that's on the version I'm running! Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:19, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: Sorry, I also can't find it. Where next to the contact list? because it is the last item in the window. Or Francisco Salvador Crespo Cómo contactarme/How to contact me Mail: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Messenger: crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com Skype: franciscosabalero Twitter: crespofrancisco Facebook: Francisco Salvador Crespo El 14/12/2011, a las 19:13, Red.Falcon escribió: Hi Kevin! Well I'm running 5.2 something and on mine the Skype monitor is next to my table of contacts when I've got all my contacts listed and it tells me who's on or off line if I press the monitor button all I get is the online contacts and none of those who are offline! But Kawal might be running another version! hth Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:00, Kevin Chao wrote: Where is this Skype monitor? Please describe and provide steps to reproduce of how to find it. Kevin On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: And what is the Skype monitor? Yes, the missed events and notifications need looking at. I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go there as it's difficult to find. Kawal. P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows. Sent from my iPhone On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between alphabetical to online/offline. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable list view with, like you said, first letter navigation, I just can't figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter navigation. If this is possible, awesome. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that said list didn't have those annoying favourites checkboxes. I think the layout should be more customisable, especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm requesting are already possible and I'm just too inexperienced to figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are the suggestions I have. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: Skype Accessibility I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility
Skype Accessibility
I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
first i would like an easier way to start conference calls like 2.7 or 2.8 had and ways to have multiple windows like those versions without having to go back to those versions. On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype Accessibility
For my part, I should like that, when a call waiting call comes in, the user has the option of either taking the call or adding it to the existing call. That aint possible with the current version. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients, especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client. Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
