Re: Nokia and MS
Yes, both is dead! When I bought my 770 five or six years ago, I hoped for a tablet beeing the direction of development. Obviously it wasn't and I had to buy an iPad last year. And immediately I loved the toolchain, I always missed for my N770, N800, N810, N900. From an application developers point of view maemo was awfull! In october I thought about using QT to target some Symbian devices, only to find opengl not beeing supported! It is in the QT preview from last month. To little to late! I know the Microsoft ecosystem for PC (that seems to be the word right now) from 15 years ago, and it was much better than what maemo offers today. From an application developers point of view the decision might not be to bad. But I have to buy windows 7:-( Detlef Am Freitag, den 11.02.2011, 21:01 +0100 schrieb Klaus Umbach: On 11.02.11 13:25, Demetris wrote: How does this affect the future of Maemo on Nokia's devices? Maemo is dead and Meego will die, too. Although Maemo is the plattform, that suits my personal needs best of all, I lost hope, there will be a successor to my N900. I think I just give up and get an android-phone with a keyboard and learn Java... Even if the community supports Maemo/Meego, there will be no new hardware and one day my n900 will be broken... Why will Meego die? Because Intel doesn't care! They want to sell Hardware, and will use Android, too. This is a sad day for us, but at least a happy day for the Egyptions! (the term Maemobarak just came to my mind, but doesn't really make sense...) - Klaus ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Porting Maemo to MeeGo
Hay, is there a guide, howto or something simelar on porting Maemo Apps (e.g. gtk based) to MeeGo. I could not find on MeeGo and Maemo site:-( Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Porting Maemo to MeeGo
Thanks a lot for the response. This was my interpretation too. But with no guide I feel not supported. (To be honnest: I am doing a little iPad development the last weeks, and I really feel supported with sample code, upgrade and porting informations ...) As porting to QT is not an option for vncviewer (I invested weeks optimizing the performance quite close to gdk gtk) the only option would be a rewrite using opengl, which I would not really would enjoy. (Advantage: I could make an iPad version as well:-) Now I am again in the situation, I do not know how to proceed with my package. There are wishes on the todo list, but if end of life of maemo is this christmas (new N800, N810, N900 always came on christmas), I would develop for some weeks:-( On the other hand, the ovi store is not performing well for the N900, which makes sense, as most people come to N900 for gpl reasons. Same will be true for MeeGo I think. How to proceed. Detlef Am Donnerstag, den 21.10.2010, 09:12 -0500 schrieb Michael Cronenworth: ds wrote: is there a guide, howto or something simelar on porting Maemo Apps (e.g. gtk based) to MeeGo. I could not find on MeeGo and Maemo site:-( AFAIK GTK is still around in MeeGo and will still be supported. I know Nokia wants everyone to use Qt, but not everyone wants to use Qt. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
callingallinnovators maemo winner??
If I remember correctly, there was a price for the best maemo app in callingallinnovators. But I can not find the winner on http://www.callingallinnovators.com/default.aspx Does anybody know more? Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Using N900 accelerometer with 8g
Hello, as far as I can read from wiki the accelerometer should be usable in a 2g and 8g mode. Does anybody know how to switch the modes?? Standard mode is 2g I think. Thanks a lot D. Schmicker ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
hildon file chooser dialog
Hello,
I have a problem with hildon file chooser dialog in scratchbox. I can
not test in N900:-)
I use simple code
hildon_file_chooser_dialog_new((GtkWindow*)window,GTK_FILE_CHOOSER_ACTION_SAVE);
GtkFileFilter *filter=gtk_file_filter_new();
gtk_file_filter_add_pattern (filter,*.png);
gtk_file_chooser_set_filter (GTK_FILE_CHOOSER (fdialog),filter);
gtk_file_chooser_set_current_name (GTK_FILE_CHOOSER (fdialog),
nicedraw);
gtk_widget_show_all(GTK_WIDGET(fdialog));
if (gtk_dialog_run (GTK_DIALOG (fdialog)) == GTK_RESPONSE_OK) {
SaveToFile=TRUE;
char nn[150];
char *filename;
filename = gtk_file_chooser_get_filename (GTK_FILE_CHOOSER (fdialog));
g_stpcpy(nn,filename);
g_free (filename);
Only in case I directly press SAVE when the dialog is open, I get an
corrupted filename. If I first change location in the dialog everything
works fine.
Is this only a problem in scratchbox. I used X86 target and run it in
the full maemo GUI. My application was installed with the GUI installer.
Thanks a lot for any hint
Detlef
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Re: hildon file chooser dialog
Thanks a lot for your reply.
I tried, but I can not pass the correct path.
If I pass /home/user/MyDocs/.documents
it is falling back to /
if I pass /home/user/MyDocs/
it goes into MyDocs, but I can not change to images or other
directories.
My guess is: it is a scratchbox problem.
The behaviour on diablo (N800) was, that you did not have to
pass a
current folder, and it was using the correct one
(/home/user/MyDocs) but
with the images directory and everything else present.
Detlef
Am Sonntag, den 06.06.2010, 08:58 -0700 schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo:
On 6 June 2010 06:40, ds d...@physik.de wrote:
Hello,
I have a problem with hildon file chooser dialog in
scratchbox. I can
not test in N900:-)
I use simple code
hildon_file_chooser_dialog_new((GtkWindow*)window,GTK_FILE_CHOOSER_ACTION_SAVE);
GtkFileFilter *filter=gtk_file_filter_new();
gtk_file_filter_add_pattern (filter,*.png);
gtk_file_chooser_set_filter (GTK_FILE_CHOOSER
(fdialog),filter);
gtk_file_chooser_set_current_name (GTK_FILE_CHOOSER (fdialog),
nicedraw);
gtk_widget_show_all(GTK_WIDGET(fdialog));
if (gtk_dialog_run (GTK_DIALOG (fdialog)) == GTK_RESPONSE_OK)
{
SaveToFile=TRUE;
char nn[150];
char *filename;
filename = gtk_file_chooser_get_filename (GTK_FILE_CHOOSER
(fdialog));
g_stpcpy(nn,filename);
g_free (filename);
Only in case I directly press SAVE when the dialog is open,
I get an
corrupted filename. If I first change location in the dialog
everything
works fine.
Is this only a problem in scratchbox. I used X86 target and
run it in
the full maemo GUI. My application was installed with the GUI
installer.
Thanks a lot for any hint
Detlef
Probably you've got to set the default directory with a call like:
gtk_file_chooser_set_current_folder(GTK_FILE_CHOOSER
(dialog), default_path);
Where default path should point (usually) to user's Documents
(/home/user/MyDocs/.documents)
If you don't do that, or pass a wrong path, it'll default to the root
directory (/) and it'll behave like you described.
--
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Paid apps in OVI for N900
Hay, I never got contact to OVI Store. At the moment there are no paid apps. Does anybody know about the status. Does anybody know, how to display only non-free applications from extras (on the web, as I do not own a N900)? I could not find any search option. Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
What happend to the first page of popular downloads?
It seems to me, that the top 25 of popular downloads (or the ones with more than 5 downloads?) are not displayed anymore in maemo-downloads-popular (hot) Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What happend to the first page of popular downloads?
Am Montag, den 29.03.2010, 15:10 +0200 schrieb Niels Breet: On Mon, March 29, 2010 11:20, ds wrote: It seems to me, that the top 25 of popular downloads (or the ones with more than 5 downloads?) are not displayed anymore in maemo-downloads-popular (hot) Popular (hot) is based on application karma. Which consists of relative download growth, rating and comments. That should not favor the most downloaded apps. OK, I did not recognize the change:-) Where is the algorithm documented, it looks to me a very strange result. What do you mean with relative download growth? What is the aim to put this in. Where can I find application karma ... Questions over questions:-) If you want to see the list by downloads you should use this link: http://maemo.org/downloads/list/Maemo5/all/ That is also avaliable by clicking on the number behind 'Downloads for Maemo5' on the main page of Downloads. Detlef -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
autobuilder down (diablo and fremantle)
Just tried to upload, but upload does not work? Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
diablo autobuilder problem
Some minutes ago this worked: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vncviewer_0.6.6-fremantle1/armel.build.log.OK.txt checking for intltool = 0.23... 0.35.0 found a little bit later with minor changes (which I even tried to reverse) https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vncviewer_0.6.6-fremantle5/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt checking for intltool = 0.23... ./configure: line 1: intltool-update: command not found found configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.23 or later. did not work anymore. Any idea, what happend? Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hey, I would love any way, as everything is better than the situation now. I tried to discuss it in 2008 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:donation_on_download_page I have a donation button on the garage home page of my product, but this has very low success. A donation button in Appmanager would be great. Of cause, every application could ask for donation during install, but I would love to show, that donations are the standard way of supporting applications in maemo.org/downloads:-) Detlef Am Freitag, den 22.01.2010, 12:31 + schrieb Valerio Valerio: Hey, On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Sascha Mäkelä sascha.mak...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I would definitely be in favour of a centralised donation system. However, instead of the suggested amount set by the author, why not have a general minimum amount (say like €1) accepted per app? Then the the user who wants to donate, would select the amount and the app(s). Seems a really good plan, I'm with Sascha here, we can agree in a minimum and eliminate one of the extra fields. Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Thanks, Sascha On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: BACKGROUND ~~ A number of articles recently have talked about Ovi Store as the only real app store for Maemo; massively overlooking http://maemo.org/downloads/ Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org REQUIREMENTS * User can make quick donations to apps they like. * There is a suggested amount, set by the author, to indicate that even small donations are appreciated. * The button is in a consistent and logical location, with the easiest place to put it on maemo.org/downloads/ and probably also maemo.org/packages/. * Developers can receive donations direct from the users, without maemo.org taking a cut. SPECIFICATION ~ Two new debian/control fields would be introduced: XB-Maemo-Suggested-Donation - amount, in dollars (or euros) which would be shown on the button. If not present, no donations are expected. XB-Maemo-Donation-Recipient - email address to whom user will be donating. Downloads and Packages would be updated[1] to show a button at the bottom right of the package description: Donate $2 (showing the amount from Maemo-Suggested-Donation) ...with a small what's this? link underneath linking to a help page explaining that it's entirely voluntary, maemo.org takes no cut and is a direct donation, using PayPal, between you and the maintainer. Clicking the button will use the PayPal API[2] to redirect the user to a $PACKAGE donation page with the amount prefilled and the recipient fixed. NEXT STEPS ~~ There are Brainstorm and Talk threads on this issue; so the next-steps, as I see it are: * Link up discussions from elseweb. * Find a stakeholder (happy for it to be me) * Come to a consensus on the technical implementation, and get signed off by X-Fade. * Develop the changes and submit to maemo2midgard. * Test, deploy use. Perhaps this is an opportunity to use the project management approach outlined by Stskeeps[3]? Comments, as ever, very welcome. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo2midgard [2] https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/e_howto_html_donation_buttons [3] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 -- Andrew Flegg --
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. I do not think so, we have end users who might want to support. and I never received a patch to vncviewer:-) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Am Freitag, den 22.01.2010, 15:01 +0100 schrieb Jeroen Schelhaas: If you want a donation button, add it on your about dialog or the maemo.org/download page. maemo.org/download would be quite fine, but it is not possible at the moment. This was my first suggestion 15 month ago:-) Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Missing hildon icon?
Previous versions of Maemo had gtk_image_new_from_icon_name(qgn_inpu_common_vkb, GTK_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON); It is now missing, at least I could not find. Is there a prefered way to solve this issue, as it might be not a good idea to install it from my package, as other developer might miss the same icon, and we get conflicts Thanks Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Upload to fremantle-extras-builder broken?
I used to upload with dput and signed packages. Now I get no permission, can anybody help? I recognized that the host signature had changed, but I can not remember what might have changed too. Thanks Detlef dput -f fremantle-extras-builder vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5_source.changes Checking signature on .changes gpg: Unterschrift vom Mi 20 Jan 2010 17:20:40 CET mittels DSA-Schl�ssel ID 604D58E2 gpg: Korrekte Unterschrift von Detlef Schmicker dschmic...@physik.de Good signature on /noraid/fremantle/scratchbox/users/detlef/home/detlef/vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5_source.changes. Checking signature on .dsc gpg: Unterschrift vom Mi 20 Jan 2010 17:20:37 CET mittels DSA-Schl�ssel ID 604D58E2 gpg: Korrekte Unterschrift von Detlef Schmicker dschmic...@physik.de Good signature on /noraid/fremantle/scratchbox/users/detlef/home/detlef/vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5.dsc. Uploading to fremantle-extras-builder (via scp to garage): Permission denied (publickey). lost connection Warning: The execution of '/usr/bin/scp' as 'scp -p /noraid/fremantle/scratchbox/users/detlef/home/detlef/vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5.dsc /noraid/fremantle/scratchbox/users/detlef/home/detlef/vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5.tar.gz /noraid/fremantle/scratchbox/users/detlef/home/detlef/vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5_source.changes dschmic...@garage:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle' returned a nonzero exit code. Error while uploading. dput.cf file: [fremantle-extras-builder] login = dschmicker fqdn = garage method = scp hash = md5 allow_unsigned_uploads = 0 incoming = /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Promotion to extras
Am Dienstag, den 12.01.2010, 10:43 +0100 schrieb tero.k...@nokia.com: It seems that the package entered testing 2010-01-03 20:26 UTC That is from the package event field on the page. So you have about one day and ten hours of waiting left :-) Thanks a lot would be nice, if there would be a short explanation as e.g. in debian. This package can not be promoted yet, link:check why especially if the QA process becomes more complicated in the future! Detlef Tero -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers- boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext ds Sent: 11 January, 2010 22:17 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Promotion to extras Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? Last time it was. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras- testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.4-fremantle2/ thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Promotion to extras
Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? Last time it was. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.4-fremantle2/ thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Promotion to extras
Am Montag, den 11.01.2010, 23:02 +0200 schrieb Ed Bartosh: 2010/1/11 Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com: Hi, On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? The packages have to pass 10 days of quarantine[1] in testing before the promotion link appears. According to this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/vncviewer/ latest version of packages was not even promoted to testing. I know. I first want the actual version final testet. Is this not possible?? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: builder: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
Just try it again, some problems with the builder. I had them some days ago. Am Samstag, den 09.01.2010, 23:14 +0200 schrieb Claudio Saavedra: Any idea what does this mean? The package built fine for armel.. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mafw-lastfm_0.0.3-1/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
onscreen keyboard on N900
I had some code, which brought up the onscreen keyboard on N770-N810. It seems to bring up an onscreen keyboard on N900 too (I do not have, but I received a bug report). The problem is: When I press toolbar button to pop up software keyboard, keyboard's input string is non-empty - it always contains 'flash' word, and I have to manually relete it before typing what I need. Very inconvenient :( I could not find porting instructions for onscreen keyboard. But it seems to be handy in some cases, otherwize I would not have received a bug report:-) Any idea, what I might do to fix? Thanks a lot P.S.: The code simulates a key press in the widget, as far as I remember. It was taken from some tipps from the maemo team some 4 years ago I think. // send enter key press and release to VNC widget GdkEventKey eventKey; GdkKeymapKey *keys; gint n_keys; gdk_keymap_get_entries_for_keyval(gdk_keymap_get_default(), GDK_Return, keys, n_keys); eventKey.type = GDK_KEY_PRESS; eventKey.hardware_keycode = keys[0].keycode; eventKey.keyval = GDK_Return; eventKey.state = 0; eventKey.window = (GTK_WIDGET(mainview-vnc))-window; eventKey.length = 1; eventKey.string = \r; eventKey.send_event = 0; eventKey.group = 0; gtk_widget_grab_focus(GTK_WIDGET(mainview-vnc)); vnc_viewer_key_press_event(GTK_WIDGET(mainview-vnc), eventKey); ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Unmap default action of hardwarbuttons [was Fremantle fullscreen mode]
Cornelius Hald gave the following tip: They key constants for the +/- keys are the same as on Diablo. But before you can use them you first have to unmap the default action, which is sound volume up/down. How do I unmap the default action?? I could not find it in the documentation:-( Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Receive the +/- hardware buttons on N900
Hi, I have code for receiving +/- hardware buttons which works for the devices before N900. What must I do for the N900 to get this code working again? Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia Web Runtime developer questions
Very nice, this is exactly what I was asking some weeks ago, a simple way to pack a html file with javascipt (if I understood correctly). I wonder, if you could provide a maemo(debian) package, which is a sceleton to install a Nokia Web Runtime package onto existing maemo devices. It should not be too difficult I think, at least if one would start the html file in the default webbrowser?! Detlef Am Mittwoch, den 23.12.2009, 18:53 +0100 schrieb quim@nokia.com: Posted also at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38214 Do you have questions about Nokia Web Runtime in Maemo? As announced in the Maemo Summit, it's coming for Maemo 5 and the Maemo 6: ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Simple javascript application on maemo
Am Montag, den 14.12.2009, 21:20 +0100 schrieb Thomas Waelti: Would it make sense if I would try that route with maeMaps, too? (Because I didn't win any friends to support my proposal of packing a bookmark :-) I think starting the webbrowser with the html page should at least be an option. I start the webbrowser from within the about dialog (vncviewer: I hope it works with N900, but I could not test), but it could even be possible directly from the .desktop without using any executable! But I do not remember the details, as I did this some years ago. I'm still a bit afraid of QT, not knowing what version to develop for on the N900 and being a real C++ noob (altough I once created an image converter in C++ that did run over 100 million times worldwide :-) -Tom Hi, What about creating a simple Qt application with a QWebPage and load your html/js page into it? Br, Antonio On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:55 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Hi, I wonder if there is prefered way to install a simple javascript application to maemo. I only want to start a html page containing javascript in fullscreen mode and have a nice shortcut for the application. Is there any example? Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Simple javascript application on maemo
Hi, I wonder if there is prefered way to install a simple javascript application to maemo. I only want to start a html page containing javascript in fullscreen mode and have a nice shortcut for the application. Is there any example? Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Any new information on Developer Device Program?
Christmas is approaching, and to me it is absolutly not transparent, what happend to a N900 Developer Device Program. I could not find any information on maemo.org. Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Any new information on Developer Device Program?
No, I was not. Last time important information was on maemo-developers! So I did not search talks:-) Thanks Detlef Am Donnerstag, den 03.12.2009, 12:27 + schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo: 2009/12/3 ds d...@physik.de: Christmas is approaching, and to me it is absolutly not transparent, what happend to a N900 Developer Device Program. I could not find any information on maemo.org. Detlef what do you mean by new information ? Are you aware of this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32951 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
maemo stars inconsistent between popular list and single application view.
Hay, the subject tells the problem: e.g. maemo5 popular list for OMWeather (the first) it has three stars on the popular list, but a little less than four stars if one views the application directly: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/omweather/ It seems you round the stars down to the next integer?! Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Strange message from autobuilder: ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build
I received a strange message from autobuilder, but it indicates everything is correct. I did not change my upload process?!: [2009-11-04 16:35:01] Processing package vncviewer 0.6.3-fremantle3. Uploader: dschmicker, builder: builder1 [2009-11-04 16:35:21] ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build: We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: #1) Respect the privacy of others. #2) Think before you type. #3) With great power comes great responsibility. Password: I do not really understand, what it wants to say to me:-( Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Testing nonsense
I am quite unhappy with the testing, too. My package vncviewer has a blocking issue (Bugtracker field), which should be marked on the package page! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.3-fremantle2 Not every developer is following the dev-list all the time. To me it is not transparent, how to get into extras now. If I get ten thumb ups, because no tester checked bugtracker it gets in? Now I prepared a changed debian/control file, but if I upload to testing I loose my 9 thumb ups. It is quite complicated for a developer to test this application, as he needs a vnc server to access. Probably this is the reason, why it takes a lot of time. On the other hand it is totally to transparent, what is tested. An other problem are security issues: How do you think a tester could find a security issue in such an application? It is totaly impossible, if you do not have access to a prepared vnc server. Should we assume the vnc server to be prepared? Should we warn a user that prepared vnc servers are not tested, so only use thrusted ones, or ... I have the feeling, that the process is quite slow, without being much better than having less testers. OK, enough for now:-) Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2009, 17:32 +0200 schrieb Henrik Hedberg: Till Harbaum wrote: there's another problem with the testing i am facing with gpxview: Nonsense ratings. GPXView got a thumbs down for needing lots of porting to match the maemo6 gui. Yes, harmattan! Why the heck should a fremantle program not be forwarded to extras due to the fact that it will be hard to port it to qt (which is what that guy is imho trying to say)? I am considering to entirely ignore the test process until this testing/promotion thing has actually proven to be useful. Dealing with people that just rate nonsense issues is a) a waste of time and b) frustrating. In addition, testers - whether they rate nonsense issues or not - even get positive karma! It feels little unfair. I really would like to see a discussion about the responsibilities and ethics of a tester, and possible procedures to make sure that a tester is behaving as expected. BR, Henrik ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
What about pressing + and - at the same time? At least if I remember correctly the N800 was able to signalize this. If + and - are beside each other on N900 this might be comparable to the place where N800 had the button (between + and -) Detlef Am Mittwoch, den 21.10.2009, 09:53 -0500 schrieb Nathan Anderson: Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That way you aren't actually taking overriding a existing used key. And it could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used for some other hotkey. Nathan -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: ext ds Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer Hi, ext ds wrote: Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list allows that). Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. I got a message from maemo admin: After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or toggle full screen anymore? Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as proposed in another mail. - Eero PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or closing the application from the power menu End task button). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Spam in comments to news section of garage
Sorry, but I could not find how to remove spam from my news section The comment is spam, and I can remove my entry, but can not find how to remove the comment. https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=forum_id=3931 Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer
Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 14:40 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: ds wrote: I have a first report of vncviewer working on N900. It is in fremantle extras-testing and should be quite save, as there are only minor changes to the diablo and chinokk version which is availible since 2007-12-02 without major problems. I would be glad, if there were some more testers. Perhaps we get it into extras without me having a N900:-) Thanks a lot Detlef http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.3-fremantle1 Hi Detlef, do you have plans to adopt the UI to the new Fremantle style? I installed it yesterday, but couldn´t really test it because of troubles with my vnc server. I noticed that the UI is basically unchanged which makes it feel a bit out of place on the N900. I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. Anyways, thanks for the port! Once my setup is working again, I´ll give it another try. Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer
Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list allows that). Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. I got a message from maemo admin: After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or toggle full screen anymore? Now, the killer feature would be if you could put the transfered image onto a GL surface. That way it would be possible to smoothly zoom in and out of the picture and it would be much easier to hit small buttons and menues. Probably not an easy task, but I think it would rock :) sounds a great idea:-) Cheers! Conny Detlef Berlin, ist ja ganz in der Nähe, oder was bedeutet es auf der Uhr? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
g_message not working on N900??
Hi, a short question: Some nice guy is testing my application on N900. We are searching a bug. But: If he starts it on N900, he does not get any messages from g_message on the console, where I have on my N800 a lot of messages. (Same source, but compiled with fremantle autobuilder or diablo sdk) Can anybody help? Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
fremantle autobuilder maintainer update does not work
Hi, I updated the maintainer in my debian/control file. I send to autobuilder but the new maintainer does not show up in http://maemo.org/packages/view/vncviewer/ By the way, the section update did work. Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: fremantle autobuilder maintainer update does not work
Thanks a lot. I read the discussion but I do not see, why I should trust anybody to change the package who should not be allowed to change the maintainer:-) Detlef Am Montag, den 07.09.2009, 17:03 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 16:51 +0200, ds wrote: I updated the maintainer in my debian/control file. I send to autobuilder but the new maintainer does not show up in http://maemo.org/packages/view/vncviewer/ I had the same problem. See this message and the replies on tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=323042postcount=99 Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Developer device program
Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-) https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=4451group_id=119atid=505 Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:55 +0200 schrieb Andrea Grandi: Hi, 2009/9/1 ds d...@physik.de: Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. don't worry, you're not alone :) Great, or not:-) Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. I can suppose they're going to repeat it, but really don't know how/when/where ecc... In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? just upload them to the repository, I imagine there are lot of testers out there who will be happy to test it. I send it to the fremantle-extras-builder some weeks ago and the build was indicated OK. So it should be availible in extras-devel, if everything works the same as for diablo By the way... what is the name of your application? vncviewer:-) Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Getting information on N900 build (was: Developer device program)
Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:51 +0200 schrieb ds: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? A few people are currently testing some applications. I don't think that testing all available apps before the N900 gets released is possible though as there's also lots of other stuff to do - you can imagine. Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-) https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=4451group_id=119atid=505 It does not install. See http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.1-diablo1 Thanks a lot, I did not know where to find this. Do you have any idea, why this is not indicated during building the application? andre ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle SDK mount command?
Am Mittwoch, den 17.06.2009, 20:06 -0700 schrieb Qole: Thank you, Jeremiah, for opening that bug and pointing me in the right direction. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com wrote: You could try pulling down the upstream source, then just moving the source package into the SDK building it there and use dpkg -i to install it. Can you tell me where to get the upstream source package? Debian? apt-get source ... should do it, or is the source.list not complete? it should contain the corresponding source line, from my debian something like: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free Detlef -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Easy way of testing fremantle build?
Hi, I just feed my application (vnc viewer diablo source) to fremantle-extras-builder and it is indicated, that it build without any problems. What is the easiest way, to test it, without installing the whole sdk? I have one portability issue: I need to have the X-server screen in the 16-bit color mode of previous N770, N800 and N810, as for reason of quick application response this was highly optimized. Of cause this could be changed quite quickly to another color mode, but where can I get information on the upcoming color mode on the maemo 5 devices. Thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP)
Hallo, I think you are quite hard to Jeffrey. I am not running a business with NIT, but I have an open source project running. And I love my project, and I like to have a lot of people using it. I think this was the idea of Nokia to open the platform. They want us developers. The realy did a lot of work to support us. And if Jeffrey tells them, all this work is of no use to him, if he has the uncertencies (and to a lower extend this is true for me to, as I am thinking of programming open source games and try to decide for what platform, and I am not feeling this platform is very alive at the moment) Nokia should be happy about this information (and I think they are). I think you got my point ... Detlef Am Freitag, den 30.01.2009, 08:46 + schrieb Sebastian 'CrashandDie' Lauwers: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Quim Gil quim@nokia.com wrote: Hi, Hi Quim, Thanks for taking the time to answer what nearly was flamebait. Nokia opened their platform to encourage developers to contribute their expertise, but their capriciousness and opacity about their hardware roadmap are tolerable only to hobbyists or companies porting software from another platform as a sideline. As much as I love free software and open roadmaps, I must reckon that in the current times transparent hardware roadmaps are not helping companies to sell devices sooner, cheaper or better. For companies like Nokia, the ultimate reason behind hardware roadmap opacity is to sell more and better, which is equivalent to increase more your potential user base. Get more (and happier) users by bringing better products than the competition and get more (and happier) users by managing consumer expectations and media hype. There is another point I would like to stress here. Ever since I have been involved, every so often, I see a rant and it just baffles me. These rants can be about an array of different subjects, but every time, it boils down to the same thing: Some people believe Nokia owes them something. I'm not saying Nokia need not work to keep their customers happy, far from it -- they wouldn't still be in business had they not, but I don't understand how people can even think that Nokia should bow before their every whim and wish. In this particular case, the troll believes that Nokia owes him the assurance that he and his company will be able to develop and sell applications. I'm sorry, but where do your business ideas come from? Yes, you are a Nokia customer, and as such, you have the right to technical support, or software updates, but you are *not* entitled to some unheard of commercial agreement. The NIT is a platform, open as it can be, but that doesn't necessarily mean that your agreement with Nokia is that you will develop software, make profit from it, and Nokia will support you. Let me stress this a bit more. If you were a software developer, and you bought the hardware device from Nokia, put your software on it, and then sold the device, yes, you would have a contract that entitled you to get heads up to the EOL of a product. You would most probably also have access to product lifecycles and product updates, so that your company could brace for the next version. But this is not what happens. You buy the product as an end-user. You may not use it as such, as you are a developer, but regardless of that, you still are just that. An end-user. Apple would not justify itself if it discontinued the Mac Mini. Verisign did not send apologies when they stopped issuing md5-based certificates. Miltek did not flame at VW when they discontinued the Golf 3 in favour of the Golf 4. So why would anyone have the right to attack Nokia when they are sticking to their internal product lifecycle? If you see only melodrama in these concerns, then perhaps you have never tried to run a business in the face of such uncertainty. Again, if you don't see how little sense you are making -- from a business standpoint, I do understand your fears as Joe Blogs -- I doubt you should be trying to run a business. You are not a Nokia partner, they are not your hardware providers. You are using their platform to your own interest. Why would Nokia care? Praise the day people realise we are talking to a big product company. Not a hardware manufacturer, not a big brother whose job is to get your business -- or life for that matter -- going. They will do what is profitable for them, and if they're not, they're idiots -- business-wise. Yes I know, I'm a troll as well. Sorry. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Native gcc for development on N810
Hi, I don't know what you want to do, but if you want to compile applications directly on N810 an alternative is installing Debian within VNCviewer http://physik.de/770 has an alpha one click installer. Debian comes with full gcc and by the way you can use nearly all other applications without loosing the Maemo applications:-) I did not try, but I think you could use anjuta as a graphical development environment. At least it is marked as functional on armel. Detlef Am Samstag, den 17.01.2009, 00:25 +0100 schrieb Klaus Rotter: Hi there, I want to install a gcc toolchain directly on the N810. Unfortunately, I didn't find one. It seems, that there _was_ a toolchain, at least for chinook. See here: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/02/08/native-gcc-on-the-n810/ I searched through all the repositories mentioned. But I didn't find anything. Do anyone know where I can find it? -Klaus ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
New maemo devices
Hi, I know that it is difficult to get this kind of information. But three years ago, when I decided to buy a N770, I was searching for a touchscreen netbook, as you would call it again, and what Apple seems to be planing. We are now 3 Years on the way, and we still stick with the same screen size, roughly the same cpu power and less third party applications than three years ago. Many of the small application written by the first hackers were not ported to newer maemo versions. They may not all be usefull, but they showed there was a lot of enthusiasme in this time. OK, this may go down, and some very serious applications are working quite nicely now, but from the hardware side the only advantage is the GPS, which is nice to have build in, and the webcam which can only be used nicely for video telephony, which still is not in everyday use for me. When do I get the hardware I wished to have three years ago?? :-) Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Development of simple gamess for maemo and iphone (ipod touch)
Hi, I think of programming some little applications (strategic games as kalaha) for maemo. I would love to compile (nearly) the same source for the ipod touch (or the iphone) later. I have some experience with the maemo plattform (VNC viewer) but only read some general articles about iphone development. Is there any body who ported a maemo app to iphone, or who knows how to be prepared. Any hint would be nice Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Development of simple gamess for maemo and iphone (ipod touch)
Hi, sure, I was thinking of porting my own code! To be more exact, I would like to distribute my code (with no forain GPL code involved) under GPL for maemo and commerial for the ipod touch! Detlef Am Samstag, den 20.12.2008, 20:32 +0100 schrieb Till Harbaum / Lists: Hi, the first thing you should do is to read a little bit about the licenses involved. SHort version: Most maemo software comes under GPL which requires yyou to not limit redistribution. The iphone shop limits redistribution. So a port of an existing app will likely cause licensing issues. Till Am Samstag 20 Dezember 2008 schrieb ds: Hi, I think of programming some little applications (strategic games as kalaha) for maemo. I would love to compile (nearly) the same source for the ipod touch (or the iphone) later. I have some experience with the maemo plattform (VNC viewer) but only read some general articles about iphone development. Is there any body who ported a maemo app to iphone, or who knows how to be prepared. Any hint would be nice Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
