Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 setup

[Terri Oda]

As Mark has already said, the REST interface running on 
http://localhost:8001/3.0/ is an internal communications mechanism for 
different components of Mailman.  What you almost certainly wanted is 
the current web interface, Postorius, which needs to be installed as 
well.  It's still in alpha, but should give you some ability to poke around.


Florian's got a nice " 5 minute guide to get the Mailman web UI running" 
which can be found here: http://wiki.list.org/x/PwDL  I recommend you 
take a look at that!


 Terri

On 12-05-04 1:57 AM, Jitendra Bhaskar wrote:

Hi Guys,

I installed mailman-3.0.0a8 according to the docs was in package. But when
I am running :

# bin/mailnam info

GNU Mailman 3.0.0a8 (Where's My Thing?)
Python 2.7.3 (default, Apr 20 2012, 22:39:59)
[GCC 4.6.3]
config file: /etc/mailman.cfg
db url: sqlite:opt/mailman-3.0.0a8/var/data/mailman.db
REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.0/
REST credentials: restadmin:restpass



I didnt change anything in mailman.cfg.

When I am trying to  open http://localhost:8001/3.0/ I am getting error


401 Unauthorized

The REST API requires authentication


I am not getting any docs on it so that I could resolve. Can any one
share any ideas.





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[Mailman-Users] Archives! Two neat demos from my GSoC students

[Terri Oda]

As some of you may know, Mailman had a bunch of Google Summer of Code 
students working on our codebase via Systers, which hired students to do 
improvements on their Mailman-based list infrastructure.


I was mentoring for the project which worked on the archives, where we 
had two students, Yian Shang who worked on the web interface for the 
archives, and Priya Iyer who worked on integrating search.  They've 
produced some great demos that you all need to see, and some code that 
I'd really like to see integrated into Mailman 3.


I was going to forward their final summaries to the lists, but since 
they're quite long, here's the things I'd like you all to check out 
first and foremost.  There's two neat demos here!


#1:

Yian's been working on a variety of UI infrastructure improvements (note 
that in this case, she's working at the code to support the UI, not the 
graphics and theming, so this may not *look* fancy but it *behaves* 
really well)


Her threaded conversation demo is here:
http://dev.systers.org/pipermail/testing/all/conversation-3.html

and note that you can actually click through and read messages there, so 
try poking around those archives and see how you like them!


And you might be interested in hearing about the use cases that went 
into threading and quote detection that made that demo possible.  Many 
of you may have answered the surveys I sent out on her behalf which were 
used to generate these use cases!  She's got a whole series of posts on 
it, but here's one of interest:

http://movicont.nfshost.com/blog/mailman-archives-ui-added-automatically-detecting-quotes-support

#2:

Priya's search demo is here:
http://lists.priyakuber.in/cgi-bin/mailman/mailocate/search.py

She'd originally hoped to find and integrate an existing search package, 
but licensing proved to be an issue for upstream contribution, so she 
wound up implementing her own.  You can search a string, a phrase, 
wildcard searches with *, by author, by subject, and using some basic 
operators (AND OR NOT all work).  It's got a basic spell check, though 
she expects that will need to be improved.


The documentation is here: 
http://systers.org/systers-dev/doku.php/doumentation-priya
And the code is here: 
http://github.com/beachbrake/Mailocate/tree/master/demo/


-

I've cc'ed mailman-users on this email since many people there contributed to 
the surveys we used to develop use-cases, but follow-ups should probably go to 
mailman-developers!


Terri

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce message w/no discernable addresses

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I'm going to guess that something got sent to libs-or-bounces but it 
doesn't make any sense (i.e. it's not a normal bounce message and has no 
discernible address at all).  It's almost certainly malformed spam, but 
I suppose it could be a messed up vacation mail or something else from 
one of your subscribers.


Terri

Christopher Adams wrote:

Can someone help me interpret exactly what this means?

Aug 27 09:31:08 2010 (14241) libs-or: bounce message w/no discernable
addresses: <4b77cbb77f52bf41bee2c397760565bd08853...@xxx.xxx.xxx.xx.local>
Aug 27 09:31:08 2010 (14241) libs-or: forwarding unrecognized, message-id:
<4b77cbb77f52bf41bee2c397760565bd08853...@xxx.xxx.xxx.xx.local>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Google Apps

[Terri Oda]

Is u...@example.com actually a gmail address?  You may want to read this:

http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9

In short: if u...@gmail.com sends a message to the list, then 
u...@gmail.com won't get a copy.  It's a gmail "feature" that 
complicates things when debugging using gmail addresses.



Cameron Smith wrote:

I am stuck trying to help a friend configure their setup.

Their main domain has email handled by gmail so the mx for
example.compoints to the google mail servers.

They have a dedicated server that has postfix configured to handle mail for
mailinglists.example.com.

Mailman is set to use mailinglists.example.com

The problem I am having is mail from mailman is not making it to
u...@example.com.

Is this a mailman issue or a postfix issue?
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[Mailman-Users] How do you use mailman mailing list archives?

[Terri Oda]

Hi all!

We've got 3 students working on improved archives for Mailman as part of 
 Google Summer of Code this year, and before they start writing code 
we'd like to gather some data on how people really use the archives.  If 
you have a minute, it'd help us a whole lot if you could fill out this 
survey to tell us how you use the existing archives and how you'd like 
to use them:


http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9XcGRsYUpsOUtxYjBWRUdnVXN4X1E6MQ

I know I'm always inundated with survey requests, but I promise this one 
will help us create Archives Of The Future. ;)  Seriously, this should 
lead to more usable and useful Mailman archives, and who doesn't want 
that?  Feel free to pass it around to anyone else who might want to 
help, and if you have any questions or concerns please contact me.


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[Mailman-Users] Using the command line (was Re: List all users on one page)

[Terri Oda]

There are quite a variety of tutorials, all of which are rather out of 
scope for this list.  Search for "command line tutorial" or somesuch in 
google and you'll find plenty of links.


Here's one for linux: http://www.linuxcommand.org/
And here's for windows: 
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial76.html


(I haven't used either of those, since I learned the command line 
several decades ago, but at a glance they look reasonable.)


If those don't suit, many local libraries and colleges can introduce you 
to someone who can do one-on-one training, assuming you're willing to 
pay for an hour of someone's time.


 Terri




Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

This is the same question I have.  I don't know how to use to script in Windows 
XP.  I only use to web to get to my mail.  Nothing is saved on my system.


Re: [Mailman-Users] List all users on one page

Mark Sapiro
Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:10:41 -0700

Brian Luria



Where is the best place for me to start understanding terminal commands like



you list there. I am honestly not even sure where to start. I am only used



to the web based interface.






The FAQ at  lists the commands and what

they do.



Each command has a --help option that gives the usage and options for

the command.



The two most useful commands for manipulating non GUI things or things

for all lists at once are bin/withlist and bin/config_list. Withlist

can run Python scripts against one or all lists and can invoke an

interactive Python interpreter with a list instance that can be

examined and changed interactively, but this requires both Python

knowledge and some knowledge of Mailman internals.



bin/config_list is more "friendly". For example, in this case you would

just create a file containing the single line



admin_member_chunksize = 100



or whatever number you need, and run



  bin/config_list --inputfile /path/to/above/file listname




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Re: [Mailman-Users] cgi in URLs

[Terri Oda]

Lee, Davis H wrote:
> In migrating from OS X to Ubuntu, my old URLs, listed on all the links
> on all the pages brought over, had addresses without /cgi-bin/,
>
> What's the best way to fix this?


There's a withlist script in $mailman/bin called "fixurl.py" -- you'll 
need to run it on lists to give them the appropriate new URLs.  Assuming 
the new system is already set up with the new style of URL as the default,


bin/withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME

should do the trick (since it defaults to the, uh, default)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Block reply to all

[Terri Oda]

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

Does anyone know a way to block a reply to all?  I would like my users to not 
be able to reply to all to post a message.  If the want to post a message, they 
should post it not just reply to a previous message.


As others have said, I'm not sure this is a good idea, unless your goal 
is to annoy your users and impede communication.  But one thing that 
would have the side-effect of blocking a reply-to-all is changing the 
list settings so that the list only accepts mails if there is exactly 
one recipient.


You can do this under Privacy Options -> Recipient Filters
Set "Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting." to 1

Then anyone hitting reply-to-all will get a message saying that their 
message is held because there are too many recipients, since any 
reply-to-all will include both the sender address and the list address.


 Terri

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Snow Leoparrd (MacOS X 10.6) CLIENT installation steps for Mailman

[Terri Oda]

Thanks Larry!

I've linked your once again excellent post into the Mac OS FAQ on the wiki:

http://wiki.list.org/x/O4A9

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with inappropriate breaks in messages

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There's a program in bin called "cleanarch" that can be run on your 
archive to fix this problem.  It cleans up the offending From lines from 
older mbox files so that you can run arch again and generate correct 
html versions of the archives.


 Terri

Chris Malme wrote:

Further to my earlier post.


Note that this is not just the archive - this actually affects messages
being sent to the subscribers - i.e. a message containing a newline followed
by "From " will be split in two before going out.


Further testing shows that this is incorrect. The problem affects only the
archive, not the mail-list messages going to the subscribers.

However, the archive problem is repeatable. Any instance in the message text
of "From " following a single newline is interpreted as a new message.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman 2.1.13 on Debian Lenny

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Ulf Dunkel wrote:
They asked me to install Mailman v2.1.13 "manually" because this doesn't 
seem to be possible with apt-get right now.


Because I have not installed a single app myself without the help of the 
package manager aptitude, I am kind of stuck.


Can you give me a little howto?


There's one on list.org: http://list.org/mailman-install/index.html

It may not seem little from that table of contents, but the sections 
mostly quite short and simple.  I think it's bundled with the source, 
and you can get it in a few other formats if you prefer:


http://list.org/site.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with setting up listserve?

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Dawn, C M Lybrand & Co. wrote:
I have extensive experience using a listserve, but I've never been 
involved in the technical aspects of setting one up. I have now been 
"volunteered" for this task in a non-profit community organization and I 
am the only one who has ever even heard of a listserve there, so I got 
elected to figure out how to set one up. I assume that I would need some 
server space somewhere to do this, but beyond that I get a bit lost. 
Could you please point me in the right direction? I'm not a techie, but 
I would really like to learn how to do this. Are there free hosts out 
there for non-profit community organizations? Is there anyone who might 
be willing to help me get started? Our organization is called Canal 
Street Historic District -- we are trying to revitalize the downtown of 
our small, Florida city. This is no easy task when it's much easier for 
developers to simply move west of town and plop down a big box store!


First off, "listserv" is a registered trademark for another product. 
Mailman is not listserv.


If you're looking for someone else to do the mailman hosting for you, 
there's a list of Mailman hosting services here: 


But if you're willing to host it yourself, you definitely can learn how 
to do it.  You'll need access to a server where you can set up the 
software, and you should be able to just follow the instructions in the 
installation manual:


http://list.org/mailman-install/index.html
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Archives page not updating

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You're using the wrong arch; there's an arch command that tells you your 
machine's architecture (i.e. i686).


What you'll want to do is go into /usr/lib/mailman/bin and execute

./arch

and similarly for cleanarch

./cleanarch

from there to make sure that you're executing the right thing.  Or you 
can use the whole path (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch) to ensure that you're 
running the command you want to be running.


(This is happening because your machine (sensibly) doesn't look for 
executables in the current path.  I'm sure there's a nice tutorial as to 
why and how to work like this if you're curious.)


LexIcon wrote:
In regards to previous list message 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-February/060593.html 
...


I am entering "arch" in the /bin directory (/usr/lib/mailman/bin on a 
CentOS server), but the archive does not rebuild, and I only get the 
message "i686" back.


I tried using "cleanarch" but I get the error message "bash: cleanarch: 
command not found"


I also get "bash: mailmanctl: command not found"

Typing "ls", I can see all of the files are present, so I'm not sure 
what is going wrong.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] one-click subscription

[Terri Oda]

David Newman wrote:

On 3/1/10 10:34 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

David Newman wrote:

For a read-only announcement list, I'm looking for a way to set up
"one-click subscription" where a user enters an email in a form on a web
page and gets subscribed right away, with no confirmation needed.

This is not a good idea. It allows anyone to subscribe anyone else to
your list without the subscribed person's knowledge or consent. Do you
really want to do this?

OK, thanks. Thinking about this some more, it does seem like an
excellent way to subscribe users who never asked to hear from us. I'll
recommend to our team that we at least get confirmation before proceeding.


Also, you should note that in some places anti-spam laws make it illegal 
to operate mailing lists that only require one-click subscription.  My 
slightly fuzzy memory says the laws surrounding this were most strict in 
Germany, but I wouldn't be surprised if other countries require 
confirmation before someone can be put on a mailing list.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminder password is wrong

[Terri Oda]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Hicks, Robert CTR wrote:

Could this be a problem with older mailman vs newer mailman and the way it 
stores passwords?

This is more likely a case of the password having changed since the
reminder was sent. What happens if the users requests another reminder?


Well, to be honest, I suspect this is more likely a case of problem 
between chair and keyboard -- most of the time when my users have 
complained about this sort of thing, it turned out they were mis-typing 
their password or accidentally cutting and pasting a space with the 
password or some similar issue.


 Terri

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Re: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman 3 alpha 5

[Terri Oda]

The short answer is no, you do not want to ask for an upgrade yet.

An alpha release is an early one, prior to the product being ready for 
all users.  Wikipedia has a reasonable page explaining how software 
releases are often named:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_release

 Terri

Clare Redstone wrote:

Hi,

 


I don't know enough about how new releases are named. Does alpha mean this
Mailman 3 is now ready for general use? Should I ask my host provider to
move us to it? I'm a bog-standard user so not ready for something that is
still going through early tests and doesn't have everything set up yet.

 


Thanks.

 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

[Terri Oda]

John Fitzsimons wrote:

I have also contributed to public, and private, newsgroup servers for
more than ten years now. However, I am not a unix expert and I do 
not have root access to a unix server.  


Incidentally, if the problem is just one of access to a unix machine, 
the Systers group had a really nice little set up where they had a linux 
virtual machine, running mailman, set up to run in virtualbox.  That 
meant we could do testing on all the laptops: mac/windows/solaris/etc.


I totally understand if you don't have time to learn all this stuff, but 
if you're willing to learn, you can install virtualbox 
(http://www.virtualbox.org/), get a linux vm (or install one yourself -- 
I usually recommend Ubuntu for a quick and easy install), and install 
Mailman.  It's a bit time consuming, but it's not actually as hard as 
instructions make it sound, generally speaking.


There may be some instructions or links to the vms we were using here 
(or elsewhere in the systers wiki):


http://systers.org/systers-soc/doku.php/getting_started

With all your testing experience, it'd be totally awesome if you could 
grab the new mailman 3 alpha and test that!  And at worst, if you don't 
manage to get it running, you're still testing the instructions and 
that's still totally useful. :)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to change configs for ALL lists?

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Elaine Ashton wrote:

Well, what concerns me is that the spammers are going at these mass 
subscriptions via the web interface and it may become a game of whack-a-mole 
banning domains and IPs. Are there any plans to make the web form subscription 
more of a hurdle for spammers, e.g. captcha, etc?


I'm not a big believer in captcha's (advances in tech have made a lot of 
them trivially easy to in an automated way, making them annoying to 
users for little gain) but it might be worth thinking about a plug in 
architecture for this in mm3 in case something better does come up, or 
so people can enjoy their placebos...


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

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Marie-Yvette,

(Apologies en advance: je n'ecrit pas tellement bien en français.)

Oui, les messages rejectés ne vais pas etre au archive -- c'est normal. 
 Si tu veut un record personel, vous pouvez t'envoyé un copie 
manuellement avec l'interface web chaque fois que vous rejet une 
message, ou vous pouvez utilizé l'option pour préserver au disque.


Malheureusement, nous ne peuvons pas t'aider avec activer cet option: 
Vous avez contacté la liste mailman-users, une liste pour les personnes 
qui utilize le logiciel Mailman.  Mais pour activer cet option, il faut 
que vous contact votre adminstrateur du site pour votre liste 
specifique.  Je ne savent pas qui ce serait.


 Terri

Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution, pour
avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.

Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de trace.
D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option "*Détails
de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont sauvé
dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la liste
puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
l'administrateur du site.

Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?

Merci

Cordialement,

Marie Yvette Leguojeu

2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 


Christopher Adams wrote:

3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
domain


You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

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In case anyone is wondering what Marie-Yvette is asking, her message 
says that she's trying to make her mailing list archives more useful to 
her, and has noticed that approved messages are archived but rejected 
ones disappear.  She's noticed that there is an option to save rejected 
messages to a file, but that option is not available unless activated by 
the administrator.  So she's asking for that option to be activated.


(Which obviously, we can't do, and I'm not sure who to tell her to 
contact.)


Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution, pour
avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.

Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de trace.
D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option "*Détails
de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont sauvé
dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la liste
puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
l'administrateur du site.

Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?

Merci

Cordialement,

Marie Yvette Leguojeu

2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 


Christopher Adams wrote:

3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
domain


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman < > forum ?

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John Fitzsimons wrote:

Are there currently *any* web forum(s) that enable forum/mailman
mirroring ? In other words a Mailman email going to a web forum and
vica versa ?

I believe that something like this could work with phpbb2 but not the
current release. Can anyone help please ?


Not yet, but I'd like there to be, because I think a web forum could be 
a more user-friendly (or at least user-familiar) way for us to handle 
archives.  I started looking in to it some time ago, but life happened 
and the code I'd hoped to write didn't.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass Removal

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Adam McGreggor wrote:

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:48:15PM +1000, certuspersonality wrote:

Is it possible to mark all members in the 'unsub' column in one go?


greasemonkey? A few GM scripts for Mailman have been written: I can't
remember what for, though. Search the list archives for greasemonkey,
perhaps?


Here's one that should work, although it's not too well tested:

// Begin script
var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName("input");

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inputs[i].name.indexOf("_unsub") > 0){
inputs[i].checked = true;
}
}
// End script

Or if you don't have greasemonkey, here's the same thing as a 
bookmarklet (In Firefox, make a bookmark and set this as the "location")


javascript:function%20unsubAll(){var%20inputs=document.getElementsByTagName("input");for(var%20i=0;i0){inputs[i].checked=true;}}}unsubAll();



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Re: [Mailman-Users] name change

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Mark Sapiro wrote:
Loretta G. Kepler wrote: 

How do I change my name on my e-mails?  My name went from Loretta G.
Kepler to Loretta Guglielmino.  I am currently using my maiden mane.
thanks Lori

I don't think this is a mailman question. I think you are asking how to
change your name in your mail client (Evolution 2.22.3.1). There is
some options or preferences setting to do this.


Well, it *could* be a mailman question.  You can change your real name 
in your list options page (e.g. 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users for this list). 
Changing your name in mailman will change which name administrators see 
when they look at your subscription, and the name you see when you log 
in to edit your mailman options.


However, this has no impact on what name will show up in the mails you 
send to the list or elsewhere. As Mark said, you'll need to change that 
in your mail client.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Taking a stab at Mailman on Mac OS X

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Mark Sapiro wrote:

Bill Catambay wrote:

I didn't get very far.  I thought Mailman only required Python?
Is there anyone on this list who has successfully got Mailman running 
on Mac OS?

There is a small amount of compiled C code.

You have to install the developer tools. This package is usually under
optional installs on the OS install disk.


If it's not immediately obvious what you need to install, I recommend 
you just install xcode and that should take care of installing all the 
necessary bits.


I have in the past had Mailman running on Mac OS as a personal test 
build environment, but none of my live, production servers are OS X.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] rejecting messages *to* non-members

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Mark Sapiro wrote:

glen martin wrote:
The root cause, though, is my users.  I'd therefore like to train them 
:) by rejecting their posts that copy non-members.

Actually, the best you can do is Recipient filters. If you set
require_explicit_destination to Yes and max_num_recipients to 2, any
post which is not explicitly addressed to and only to the list will be
held.


This also has the side effect of "training" (or annoying) your users who 
don't have "reply to list" buttons in their mail clients.  Which may be 
a reasonable side effect, or a really annoying one, depending on your 
list members.  When we did something similar for related reasons, the 
cries of joy and the cries of anguish pretty much cancelled each other 
out, but your mileage may vary.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

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LuKreme wrote:

On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote:

Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature?


It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is 
it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this 
would be useful?

My sense is that getting the list of users and sending a Bcc to them is a 
workable solution, but I'm not tied to that position.


I'm going to go with "useful, but not useful enough to put major 
resources into implementing"


Maybe a nice in-between solution would be making sure the 
FAQ/Documentation had an entry saying "if you need to get an emergency 
message out and Mailman is not working, here's how to get the whole 
subscriber list and send a Bcc'ed mail"  Anyone want to volunteer to 
stick that in the wiki so people can find it in the future?


(Or just write up a quick definition and email me, and I can stick it in 
the wiki in the appropriate place.)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

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Bill Catambay wrote:
Here's a couple of questions while I sit idly by as posts to the mailing 
list build up in my inbox:


1. Anyone know the missing ingredient (in tech terms) that might clue in 
the "night watchman" on what needs to be done to make foo-list-mod work?


This might not be helpful, depending on the mail server, but has someone 
run "newaliases" to make sure those aliases in the file have actually 
been made active?


(This isn't a necessary step for all mail servers, but it seems likely 
given your bounce message.  Goodness knows I forgot to do it a few times 
back when I was using sendmail on my list server.)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Regenerating pipermail archives

[Terri Oda]

Here's the howto:

 http://wiki.list.org/x/OAB0

But the short version is you want to edit listname.mbox/listname.mbox 
and then run bin/arch to regenerate the archives.  Make sure to shut 
down mailman for the few minutes while you do this if you don't want to 
risk missing messages.


Lindsay Haisley wrote:

I've done this before but it's been a while, and I don't remember the
answer - so maybe one of you kind folks will give me the answer and save
me the research.

When editing a Mailman pipermail archive to expunge one or more posts
prior to using the arch utility to regenerate all the archive files,
what's the master file that one needs to edit?  - the listname.mbox
file, the listname.txt file or the listname.txt.gz file?

Is there a HOWTO somewhere on editing pipermail archives?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support

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Geoff Shang wrote:
I will review your patch, and I used list-domain.tld instead of 
list.domain.tld, but I basically came to the same conclusion and just 
implemented same.  I got the idea from 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-September/063254.html


This really needs to be documented somewhere.


And by "somewhere" I recommend you put it into the Mailman Wiki, 
probably just add it to the FAQs:


http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions

I'm guessing it should be in site admin tasks:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4+Site+administrator+tasks

So here's a link to a page where you can cut and paste the info that you 
think should be recorded:


http://wiki.list.org/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=DOC&fromPageId=4030488


So if you've got a minute to summarize the stuff and put it there, that 
would be awesome.  Thanks! :)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Corrupted archives ...

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Glenn Sieb wrote:

I have a list with archives that are about 10 years old. The archive
mbox size is 175M.

I was alerted by a subscriber that the August 2009 archives list 128 "No
subject" emails that "look funny."

[snip]

From: "redacted" 
To: redacted
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:27:19 PST

(body of email starts here)


From Redacted  Wed Dec 15 00:40:19 1999

Delivered-To: redacted


Have you tried running bin/cleanarch and then rerunning bin/arch to 
regenerate the messages?  It's possible what you're seeing could be 
caused by messed up From lines in your old mbox file (used by the 
archiver to determine the start of messages).  Mutt may just have a more 
forgiving parser.


Be warned, though, if you regenerate the entire archive, then the links 
in your archive will change (i.e. old posts that people have linked will 
no longer be in the same spot).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap

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Adrean Clark wrote:

Mailman seems to be wrapping my email text automatically-- I have sent
email messages unwrapped from both Gmail and SquirrelMail and I still get
my emails back through the list with word wrap.  The line width is the
same as when seen in the post authorization window (moderation is set to
on).  This is frustrating because it breaks long URLs and has ugly line
breaks when other people read our messages in other email programs such as
pagers, etc.


Are the messages being sent in HTML?  I never seem to have this trouble 
with plain-text emails, but the HTML conversion on my lists will 
sometimes result in weird formatting on messages sent originally in HTML.


The best way to fix it is to not send HTML messages, but it may be 
easier to disable Mailman's HTML-to-plaintext translation depending on 
your users.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!!

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See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/MIA9 for a list of potential 
reasons for this, and links to other FAQ entries that might help solve 
your problem.


Atma R wrote:

Dear sir/miss,

 

 


When using your software I keep having the same problem and I really cannot 
figure out how to solve it!

How do I sent a emailmessage to all the people in my mailing list that I have 
put in it manually.

I have tried many things but nothing works. What is the problem?

 


I have a mailing list called t...@slimmer-denken.nl and I have a emailaccount 
called slimm...@slimmer-denken.nl

 


So when i send a emailmessage using slimm...@slimmer-denken.nl to 
t...@slimmer-denken.nl it suppose to send a email

to all my subscribers right? But it doesn't.

 


I have also tried serveral other things, but nothing works!

 


So how do I fix this? How does this work? I have looked on your website and 
read the FAQ but still nothing works.

 

 


So please help me out with this.

 


with kind regards,

 


Atma Ramsaran

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with bug in mailman version 2.1.12

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Unfortunately, that error message doesn't contain enough information for 
us to help you.  As it says, you'll need to find this information in the 
mailman logs (specifically, the error log, which is probably stored in 
something like ~mailman/logs/error or /var/log/mailman/error, but the 
exact path will depend on your installation).


It would also help if you could explain exactly what you mean by "trying 
to open one of my lists" -- were you trying to use the web interface? 
Was it the listinfo page or one of the admin pages or something else?


Lisa McClear wrote:

Hi - hope you can help me with a bug I encountered when trying to open one
of my lists - here is the error message:

 



Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12


We're sorry, we hit a bug!


Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 


Any idea what's going on and how to fix?

 


Thank you

Lisa

 


Lisa McClear

Marketing Director

Advanced Learning Institute

8600 W. Bryn Mawr Avenue

Suite 920-N

Chicago, IL 60631

T:  773-695-9400, x12

F:  773-695-9403

 

 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] clear messages held for moderation ..

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Khalil Abbas wrote:

is there a way to delete all the messages that are held for moderation via 
command prompt i.e. SSH ??


The short answer is use bin/discard

See the FAQ entry at http://wiki.list.org/x/nIA9 for more details.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

[Terri Oda]

Terri Oda wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alexx wrote:

how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some
of them with "confirm in subject and approved:password message", but
there are PLENTY of old  ones held for more than 3 days in queue.

I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is
there another solution?


Here's a bookmarklet version of the script I posted earlier.  Just 
bookmark this stupidly long string and then when you're viewing your 
admin page, click the bookmark to move every box over to "Accept" -- 
should simplify the task some.




javascript:function%20approveAll(){var%20inputs=document.getElementsByTagName("input");for(var%20i=0;iI expect the stupidly long string is going to get line-wrapped, so 
you'll probably need to stick it back together.  I've only tested it in 
Firefox 3, but it's pretty basic JavaScript so it will likely work in 
other browsers.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

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Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alexx wrote:

how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some
of them with "confirm in subject and approved:password message", but
there are PLENTY of old  ones held for more than 3 days in queue.

I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is
there another solution?

Assuming the admindb web interface is working, you could go there and
approve the posts.


And if you want a script to work with that, here's one I wrote for 
greasemonkey (a firefox add-on that lets you script parts of your 
interface).  You'll have to alter the @include line so it contains your 
own site address.  This would probably work better as a bookmarklet, if 
someone wants to convert it.


You'll still have to click "submit" yourself (which gives you a chance 
to review if you want) but it will move all the defaults to be "accept"



// ==UserScript==
// @name   Approve all Mailman posts
// @descriptionTerri Oda's lazy way to approve all postings
// @namespace  http://terri.zone12.com
// @includehttp://mailman.linuxchix.org/mailman/admindb/*
// ==/UserScript==

var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName("input");

for (var i=0; i < inputs.length; i++){
if(inputs[i].type == 'radio' &&
inputs[i].name.indexOf("senderaction-") == 0 &&
inputs[i].value == 1){
inputs[i].checked = true;
}
}
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disabling quoting of original messages sent to "request"

[Terri Oda]

Steven Bonisteel wrote:

Spammer sends message to a Mailman list's 'request' address using his real 
target's e-mail address in 'From:'

Mailman  responds with:

"The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original 
message ... "

... and then faithfully reproduces the spammer's original payload and sends to 
the target.

How can I disable the quoting of the original messages in responses from the 
'request' address?


Are you sure you want to just disable the quoting?  I know the spams are 
obnoxious, but at least right now your users can tell that the spammer 
is the culprit.  If you take that part out, then they may assume your 
installation of mailman is at fault, or that they somehow sent something 
out, which could be even more confusing than just receiving the spam 
copy is.


That said, if you want more info on controlling this sort of thing, you 
might want to do a search for "mailman" and "backscatter" -- there was 
some discussion on this a while back that might have useful suggestions 
for your particular problem.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to set up notifications for MembershipManagement?

[Terri Oda]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Ulf Dunkel wrote:
Whatever I set up (e.g. in "General Options"), I cannot set this 
configuration. Is it possible anyhow?

It is only possible by modifying the code in the mass_subscribe() and
mass_remove() definitions in Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. Without
modification, the user notification for Mass Removal always defaults
to No and the owner notifications for Mass Subscription and Mass
Removal default to the same setting.


If you're just looking for a personal fix, it would be fairly easy to 
make a bookmarklet or greasemonkey script which set these defaults in 
your browser.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Will Mailman inform a sender of a bounced message that it was approved?

[Terri Oda]

Adam McGreggor wrote:

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:35:49PM -0500, Brad Knowles wrote:

on 5/26/09 4:23 PM, Jane Frizzell said:
Is there a feature in Mail Man that would notify the sender of a 
message, when it bounces for moderation, to be informed when it is 
cleared by the moderator?  This person is not a member of the list so 
could not tell if it is eventually delivered.
The standard version of Mailman can be configured to inform the sender 
that their message is being held for moderation, but there is no method 
I know of to configure it to notify the sender when the message has been 
released.


My view is that if people are posting to the list, they should
subscribe to the list.


There are cases where posters have no need or desire to subscribe to the 
list.  For example, I moderate a job posting list where we screen 
postings for our members.  Most people posting jobs aren't seeking them! 
 It'd be a bit silly to expect hr/recruiting folk to subscribe.


In our case, I believe they can just check when their post went through 
because the archives are public, but I'm sure they'd prefer the email 
rather than having to check back a day later!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Cant make changes to lists

[Terri Oda]

Andreas Faye-Lund wrote:

Hi

I have a serious problem with my mailman. When I try to make changes in 
the admin pages, the system just rejects any changes without any error 
messages. (Have checked for error messages in the apache and mailman logs).
The lists works for sending messages, but i cant add any users. Error 
appeared  after I changed the domain of the lists. 


Are you accessing the list through the new domain?

Do the lists know that their web domain has changed?

Do you have any sort of redirect set up for that domain?

It is almost certainly related to the change in domain.  Here's an FAQ 
link with the most probable causes and fixes:


http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9

(There's a bunch of links there, follow the ones that seem most 
applicable to your situation!)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to send moderator email approval

[Terri Oda]

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Abdul Javid writes:

 > Is there a setting to let list moderators a notification that a
 > pending request is approved/rejected.If there are 3 email ids
 > in moderators, if one approves, i would like other 2 to know that
 > the email has been taken care.please advise thanks Javid
Why do you want this?  If you need an audit trail so that you know who
approved each request, or you'd like moderators to get email
notification so they don't visit the moderation page only to find it
was updated 20 seconds ago, as Mark says, Mailman provides no such
feature.


We do this so that when each moderator checks her email, she can tell at 
a glance if the pending requests for the day have already been handled 
(well, assuming she's got all those types of emails filtered into one 
folder).  It's actually fairly handy if you're not talking a list where 
there's lots of admins: a quick mail saves another 5 people the trouble 
of checking.


We just do it by asking list admins on the many-admin lists to reply to 
the "X listname moderator request(s) waiting" mails but change the 
-bounces address to -owner.  It's slightly annoying, but not that hard. 
 That might work for the original poster's problem too?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging question

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Whit Blauvelt wrote:

I know - it's a wiki and presumably I could jump in and rearrange stuff. I'd
do that, if there's a sense that it's appropriate and no one with real
expertise on Mailman wants to take it on.


Oh, I've been trying to find someone willing to do this for months now 
(pretty much since I moved the FAQ wizard stuff to the new wiki).  If 
you want to volunteer, please do so with my blessing!


The current FAQ is ordered by "number when the answer was added" which 
is why it's kinda hard to find things.  No organization other than the 
top level sections.  If you could keep those old numbers in the post 
somewhere so anyone searching for old FAQ entry 4.24, say, can just 
search for 4.24 and find it, that would be good.


But other than that, please feel free to take a stab at it. Pretty 
please? :)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Message footers as "inline attachment"

[Terri Oda]

Web Witchcraft wrote:

A few months back our mailman listserv started showing up with an occasional
short message sent out to the list members who receive individual messages
that had the usual message footers attached as an "inline attachment" rather
than including it in the body of the message.


This is related to the MIME type of the message being sent, common when 
messages are sent as HTML.  Check out section 4.39 of the FAQ:


http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9

Cutting and pasting, it sounds like your options are:

 1. Configure Mailman to remove the msg_header/msg_footer
 2. Configure Mailman to strip all HTML and MIME formatting and send 
out all messages as text-only (text/plain)
 3. Get everyone to change the MUA they use to one that is more 
HTML/MIME-aware

 4. Live with the problem

I use #2, personally, although it sometimes causes formatting weirdness.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Poster not Receiving Postings

[Terri Oda]

Brad Knowles wrote:

Brian Canty wrote:


Not sure if anyone has been experiencing the same problem.  I have a
poster who uses a gmail account to post and he is not getting a copy of
the posting?  Any suggestions in trying to resolve this would be greatly
appreciated.


That's a known problem with gmail.  There's something about this in the 
FAQ Wiki, but I don't remember exactly where.




It's here: http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9

(I just searched for gmail)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why does this happen???

[Terri Oda]

James Reid wrote:

Can someone please explain why I have a small number of users who
occasionally send message to mylist-boun...@domain.com instead of to the
correct address myl...@domain.com ?

I suspect that it is to do with the email client that they are using and
whether they are replying or reply-to-all, but don't see it happening often
enough to be able to figure it out (I'd like to add something to the sign-on
message for the group to give people more info on how to avoid this
problem).



I'm pretty sure this is an Outlook behaviour, probably related to this:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/From+field+displayed+by+Microsoft+Outlook

There may be other clients that do it too, but I'm pretty sure that was 
the culprit the last time this happened with one of my lists.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] question about recurring gate_news command

[Terri Oda]

On 4-Aug-08, at 2:48 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:

I looked through the list archives and didn't see where this issue was
resolved. My cron log show a recurring (every 5 minutes)  entry like
this:

Aug  4 11:20:00 swiki CROND[21998]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news)

Can someone suggest a fix?


Are you actually trying to update a news server?  Because if you're  
not, you should probably turn off the mail-news gateway for your  
lists.  I think it's obvious on the options page.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] header showing in message body, moderation notifications

[Terri Oda]

On 28-Jul-08, at 2:56 PM, Michael Welch wrote:
2. Finally, can I get a notification email instantly when there is  
a message to moderate? The way it is right now, I only get  
notifications of pending moderated messages once per day. I looked  
around for this setting, and must have missed it.


It's right on the front page:

"Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as  
well as daily notices about collected ones?

(Details for admin_immed_notify)"

Set that to "yes" and you're good to go!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

[Terri Oda]

On 23-Jul-08, at 1:22 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

The latest version is here:
http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/
So, that's using some red/pink from the logo as link colours as  
someone suggested to me.

I really don't want anyone over-riding my own choices for link colors.


The original version I had used the standard link colours (ie - it  
didn't set them), and comments ranged from just general malaise about  
the colour scheme of the links to several people who asserted it was  
nearly unreadable on their setups.  So I'll take the comment under  
advisement, but I suspect you're going to be in the minority.


Since I've since changed the original css, here's the current stuff  
with no link colours specified (so they default to your browser  
settings):


http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/?css=mailman-nolink

Did you want to mention the official Mailman group on LinkedIn?  Of  
course, I can't figure out how to give you a link that will take  
you to their page for the group as opposed to the "home page" that  
I defined for the group (namely www.list.org), but that may be  
something we can resolve.


Seems like a good fit for the "Participate" page!  I've put it just  
under the wiki entry.


Also, if I can convince launchpad and my laptop to get along, I'll  
share the code for this.  It's currently generating the pages using a  
little python script.  Although honestly, given that there's only 7  
pages here, I think we might as well generate them once and just  
serve up the straight HTML.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

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I've done a bit more work with the site redesign, and updated the  
working content I had.


The latest version is here:

http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/

So, that's using some red/pink from the logo as link colours as  
someone suggested to me.  It looks fine to me on this macbook, but  
I'm at the Ottawa Linux Symposium and don't have my usual array of  
desktops to test from, so someone please let me know if it's  
unreadable.  (I've cc'ed mailman-users to get more eyes.)


Here's one wit the same idea, using darker reds:
http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/?css=mailman-dark

And the original two, both beige and gray are here:
http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/?css=mailman-orig
http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/?css=mailman-alt

More suggestions welcome!

 Terri
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Renaming lists - how to change the list "real_name" afterwards

[Terri Oda]

On 18-Jul-08, at 12:52 PM, Aidan C A Hopkins wrote:
Thanks very much - this did the trick, with one exception - the  
archives
are still bearing the old name. Presumably this just needs a  
rebuild as

mentioned somewhere in the FAQ which I used yesterday.

Perhaps your instructions need adding to the FAQ?!


The wiki can be edited by anyone, so please go ahead and do that Aidan!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

[Terri Oda]

On 16-Jul-08, at 11:25 AM, Michael Welch wrote:

Dragon wrote at 08:06 AM 7/16/2008:
Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would  
enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to  
read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My  
admin keeps telling me that nothing is like that and I cant  
believe him.
No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a web- 
mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups.
I think this would be a great feature to add, so folks could check  
and post online, without using their ISP's web mail. I run several  
Topica lists, and we have many list members that choose "No Mail"  
and regularly go to the archives to view others' posts, respond, or  
post. For whatever reason, they prefer to not receive emails from  
the list.


Actually, this is on my personal mailman to-do (and has been for  
months) but I've got a couple of other things that I want to get done  
first so it might take a while.


On the bright side, I *did* finish what I wanted to do with the FAQ,  
mostly reorganized what I wanted from the documentation, and the  
website is nearly ready to go, so it's getting closer to the top of  
the list again. :)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hard drive is full

[Terri Oda]

On 10-Jul-08, at 11:35 PM, Bill Christensen wrote:

At 1:19 PM -0400 7/10/08, Simon wrote:
This doesn't help you much now, but this is why it is a good idea  
to keep anything that stores data (mail, temp directories, etc) on  
a separate partition from your / directory.
On that note... is there anything to look out for with moving the  
archives elsewhere?  Can they just be moved and a symlink put in  
their place?  Or is it best to define the path in a config file  
(and if so, which one)?


They can just be moved and a symlink used, as long as your web server  
doesn't object.  I'm pretty sure I did this on one server that had  
some poorly chosen partition sizes and the list archive data wound up  
having to go on its own hard drive for a while.


Just watch that you shutdown mailman for a minute while you move  
files and set up the simlink so that it's not trying to write to  
space that gets pulled out from under it.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stumped on a archive move

[Terri Oda]

On 10-Jul-08, at 3:05 PM, Melinda Gilmore wrote:


Ok, I move an example list and the archive called zos to a new mailman
server.   When I copy the archive over zos.mbox and then try to run  
the

bin/arch,   I am getting an error of:

Cannot open mbox file archives/private/zos.mbox/zos.mbox: [Errno 2]  
No such

file or directory: 'archives/private/zos.mbox/zos.mbox'

I am confused on trying to fix this.   It is adding another  
zos.mbox at the

end.



It's not adding an extra one.  There really should be a directory  
called zos.mbox containing only a single file, also named zos.mbox.   
I know, it seems silly, but that's the way it is, so if you change  
your files to match that structure it should work just fine!  (Well,  
assuming you have the permissions correct and so on...)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Specific Users Members Mail Not Going Out

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On 10-Jul-08, at 12:36 PM, McNutt Jr, William R wrote:
I have two users, one of whom is my boss, whose messages are not  
showing

up on the list.  Instead, I get an "uncaught bounce notification" with
the message attached in my mailman_admin box.


Are they, perchance, sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Some mail clients seem to pick up the wrong address if you hit reply/ 
reply-all to an existing message, and anything that goes to -bounces  
is treated as a bounce.


Get them to specifically type in [EMAIL PROTECTED] next time  
rather than hitting reply and see if that's the problem.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] body text size limit

[Terri Oda]

On 7-Jul-08, at 8:47 AM, David Hláčik wrote:
Hello, we have noticed, that mailman is breaking long subject  
values with

newlines. What is the motivation for doing this?


The short answer: it's not Mailman, it's the python email library  
that does it.


For more discussion, there was just a thread on this topic two weeks  
ago.  It starts here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg49882.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains

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If you just want to change the default for new lists, you'll want to  
change mm_cfg.py so that DEFAULTURLHOST and DEFAULTEMAILHOST use the  
new domain.  This will only have an effect on new lists.


When converting old lists, you'll need to change the values of those  
variables for each list you want to change.  The archives will be  
untouched by this action.


On 3-Jul-08, at 11:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I'm running mailman on a server that has an existing domain  
(abc.domain.com) and resolves to some IP address X.   Couple of 100  
lists running in this setup.


I've recently gotten another DNS entry defined (xyz.domain.com)  
that also resolves to IP address X.


I'd like to setup new mailman lists to use the new domain--   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  What do I need to change to support this?   
Note that I'd like the existing mailman lists in the near-term to  
continue to use there existing "abc.domain.com" domain.


Now, once mailman supports new lists in the new domain, I might  
want to convert all exiting mailman lists to use the new domain.   
Is this easy/straightforward?  I'd like the archives to be  
maintained as well during this conversion process.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] exim testing error

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On 30-Jun-08, at 1:32 PM, Vidiot wrote:
Usually the PostScript output is used to create PDFs.  It has been  
a really
long time since I took a LaTeX file and created anything from it.   
I thought
the DVI was used to create the PS file.  If it is also used to  
create the
HTML and TXT files, i.e., the source for creation of those files,  
then it

is OK.  If only used to create the PS file, then it might be suspect.


It all depends on your setup.  On my mac, pdfs are created directly  
from the LaTeX.  On my linux machines, I believe it usually goes from  
the DVI/PS but sometimes can be done directly from the LaTeX (this is  
not the default), and goodness knows what it might be like on windows.


Someone on this list that knows LaTeX extremely well, might be able  
to figure
what needs to change in the TEX file so those level headings aren't  
lost.


I might be able to figure this out.  It may not be the TeX -- we  
might have to change the options in the makefile or something.  I'll  
try to take a look at it next week if nothing else comes up.


To be honest, though, my solution to this sort of problem with other  
Mailman documentation in the past has been to import everything into  
our wiki so conversion is done there and with consistent software.


I still not convinced it's the best possible solution, but it has  
greatly limited the number of queries I get on the subject.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Standard Footer

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On 25-Jun-08, at 11:20 AM, Webmaster PF wrote:
I would like to have all posting to my list to have a standard  
footer. How to I accomplish this? Thanks.


In the admin interface, look under "Non-digest options" for the  
footer settings.


(Incidentally, this is really non-obvious now that I think about it  
-- I'll add it to my list of things that could be easier to find in  
our current interface...)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disable word-wrap?

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On 19-Jun-08, at 2:46 PM, Jan Steinman wrote:
So it may well be true that "Mailman doesn't do line wrapping," but  
from my perspective, it's doing something that *causes* line  
wrapping to happen!


If Mailman is converting html->text, I think it does add line- 
wrapping as a side effect of the conversion.  I don't know if this is  
what you're seeing, though.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web UI request

[Terri Oda]

On 19-Jun-08, at 12:13 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

On 18 Jun 2008, at 20:32, Terri Oda wrote:

I've opened up a new page on the wiki to get more of a process going:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+Interface


This is great, but how should we use it? :)


Sign up for a wiki account and either edit the page or leave comments  
on the bottom.   I like your idea of doing regrouping, and I think  
the wiki format would better let multiple people edit the groupings  
until we find something that works.


That said, Brad is right -- this discussion should definitely be  
happening on mailman-developers rather than here, so I'll post  
further comments there.  Please direct any follow-ups to that list.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web UI request

[Terri Oda]

On 18-Jun-08, at 1:56 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:


On 18 Jun 2008, at 17:41, Terri Oda wrote:


[...] the more user input we get, the better!


Another thread said that “the web UI is scheduled for overhaul”.

Is anyone assigned to this? Is it an open process? Can we follow it  
somewhere?


The last major push was last summer, as part of a Summer of Code  
project: http://wiki.list.org/x/2Q  I think Ethan's still doing some  
work here, but I don't know what his status is.


I believe there was also some work done on basic CSS conversion that  
was more recent.


I've opened up a new page on the wiki to get more of a process going:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+Interface


1. Too many options.



Agreed.  My solution would be to have an "expert" and a "simple"  
interface.  Three reasons:


1. Even *as* an expert, I'd love to have a small interface that met  
my most common needs.
2. Choosing what options to keep and which to toss would likely slow  
down the process so much that we'd never get a new interface.
3. Giving people access to files is more of a pain than letting them  
interact through a web UI.  (eg - don't have to worry about shell  
access, bad file syntax, etc.)



  2. Weak categorization.


Agreed.  Often the option people want is there, but not where they  
look.  And even writing the documentation, I've found myself hard- 
pressed to explain some things.


  3. Typographically bad, e.g. no visual cues about significance,  
related options, etc. and right-aligned labels make it difficult to  
skim down through a page.


Agreed that there's some visual stuff that needs work.  Mostly, I  
find it just looks old and clunky and too busy.


  4. Labels are too verbose, contributing with noise to the overall  
view, and the “Details for «the_mailman_option_name»” under each  
label does not help in this regard.


I've got mixed feelings about this.  The labels do contribute to  
noise, but they also provide the ability for me to tell people  
"change the setting with name $foo" *or* describe the description if  
I'm not near a computer to check the stuff myself.  The longer labels  
also make it easier for people looking at the interface the first  
time to figure out what things do at a glance instead of having to  
click each details button to find the one they want.



The web interface for 3.0 is going to be *very* different from the  
2.1 stuff because a lot of things are just going to go away or  
appear.  But I think we'd do well to think seriously about making 2.2  
have an improved interface.   Honestly, I feel that the web UI which  
used to be Mailman's strength has lately become its biggest weakness.


I've been putting my thought into organizing the documentation lately  
(as anyone who's been following the wiki has no doubt noted), but I'm  
almost done what I wanted to do there, and I want to be writing code  
next.  I'd been planning on tackling the archiver, but perhaps I  
should take a harder look at web UI for my next project.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Muti-Mailman install

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On 18-Jun-08, at 4:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have searched all over for how to do true virtual list with  
mailman and finely decided to run multiple mailman installs side by  
side.




This doesn't answer your questions, but have you considered giving  
the lists unique names, but doing aliasing so that they look right to  
the users?


For example, if you want to have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and  
[EMAIL PROTECTED],


Mailman could believe that these are

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

(distinct names)

But then you can set up [EMAIL PROTECTED] to point to  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and ditto for example2.  You users  
use the shorter names to post to the lists, alter other settings like  
the prefix tag to match, and in theory everyone's happy. :)


The reason I mention this:
You may have some reason for wanting true virtual domains and have  
already discarded this idea, but I've found some clever aliasing is a  
good enough solution for a lot of people, and it's a lot easier than  
running multiple installations or using patches.


Also, there's an FAQ entry on this but (in my opinion) it seems like  
it could use an update:


http://wiki.list.org/x/jIA9

If you found other resources that you found useful, please add them  
to that wiki page!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web UI request

[Terri Oda]

On 18-Jun-08, at 11:24 AM, Dragon wrote:

Mark Sapiro mentioned in another post that the web UI is in need of  
an update/overhaul.


I'd like to make one feature request for that which came to light  
with a bunch of non-technical users on one of my lists.


It is not obvious from the list information page how one would  
obtain a password reminder. You have to click the "Unsubscribe or  
edit options" button to get to the page with the password reminder  
button. This really needs to be FAR more obvious. It really should  
be an item on the very first page a user sees.




Agreed!  And thanks for mentioning it -- the more user input we get,  
the better!  It's a bit hard to make everything obvious on that first  
page, but I'd definitely like to see us improve the functionality for  
existing members (right now the page is clearly optimized for new  
subscribers).  Would it make more sense to have just a giant  
"existing list members click here" and a separate page that's  
targetted at existing members, or do you think we can do both things  
in one place? Saving that click can be a big deal...


Hmmm... now you've got me thinking about it again.  Perhaps some good  
will come of this. ;)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatically creating short URL's?

[Terri Oda]

On 6-Jun-08, at 9:13 PM, David Gibbs wrote:

Has anyone considered the idea of using one of the URL shortening
services (tinyurl.com, etc) to automatically process URI's in messages
processed by mailman?

When people on my lists post URL's, they are quite often long and
unwieldy ... it would be nice if I could automatically translate those
long URI's into shorter versions.


On a related note, if those really long FAQ urls from the Mailman  
wiki are problematic, the wiki actually does generate short URLs for  
posting to lists.  (Click on "info" from the page to get the short  
link.)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail distro, newsgroup, or both?

[Terri Oda]

On 3-Jun-08, at 2:02 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:

In a message of Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:20:04 CDT, Brad Knowles writes:
Do you mean Mailman mailing lists?  The interface is exposed to  
third-party
archivers, such as mhonarc, and there are other third-party index/ 
search
tools that also can be relatively easily integrated.  Search the  
FAQ Wizard

for more info on that subject.


see: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=SWISH- 
E&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search


I am using SWISH-E and it works just fine.

I used this resource which the FAQ didn't list
http://infothecary.org/jordan/mailman.html



We're trying to switch from using the FAQ Wizard to using the wiki  
now, so the new link for this page is:


http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+make+the+archives+searchable

And that does look like a useful resource, so i added a link to it.   
If anyone wants to better integrate it into that FAQ entry or copy  
some information over, feel free to edit the wiki page!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disable monthly membership reminder

[Terri Oda]

On 2-Jun-08, at 7:34 AM, Bill Honneus (honneus) wrote:
Anyone know how I can disable the monthly membership reminder email  
that

gets sent out to all members of a mailing list?



There's an option for this entitled "Send monthly password  
reminders?" (it's under "Notifications" on the general options page)


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ: a call for help

[Terri Oda]

Ever wanted to help out with Mailman but didn't know how?   Here's  
your chance!


I've been trying to make the wiki into the one-stop-shop for Mailman  
documentation, and as part of that process, I made a script that  
moved the Mailman FAQ entries into the wiki.


http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions

You'll see that there's around 200 entries in there now, organized  
into sections as they were originally in the FAQ Wizard:


http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

I need some people who've got a few minutes to help out with cleaning  
up the wiki FAQ entries.  You don't need to know the answers -- I  
just need some volunteers who can fix some links and maybe do some  
organization.  I don't need any huge time commitment, just sign up  
for a wiki account and do an entry or two when you've got some spare  
time.


Most of the pages just need someone to convert the FAQ Wizard links  
to internal wiki links (eg: in http://wiki.list.org/x/PIA9), maybe  
fix some other formatting (eg: look at http://wiki.list.org/x/p4A9  
and how the preformatted stuff is inexplicably in three blocks rather  
than one).It's an easy job, it's just that at 200 pages, I could  
use some help!


If you have any questions or need any help getting started, please  
let me know!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] custom mime precedence?

[Terri Oda]

On 24-May-08, at 8:23 AM, andReadG wrote:


Hi all!

This is the situation: attachments are stripped
(which is as I intended), but many messages
come in as multipart, with 1st part as text/plain
and second one as text/html. The senders, intended
to send the 2nd one (formatted to draw attention
in specific parts), but, being treated as
attachment, stays at the server.

Is there a way around? I mean extract and keep
all non-text attachments for http download,
but exclude text/html and let it through along
with the plain text, or be preferred over it?



What does your pass_mime_types look like for this list?  If you tell  
it to let text/html through, as well as text/plain, people will get  
the double messages the way they were sent, but most mail clients  
handle that gracefully the way the sender intended.


You want something that looks like this:
multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html
multipart/signed


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[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] XHTML Compliant Web UI - 2.1.6 Patch

[Terri Oda]

On Apr 24, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
I have just uploaded a patch that will make the web UI for MM 2.1.6rc1
XHTML 1 strict compliant. This patch allows for some CSS formatting as 
well.
I haven't looked at the patch itself yet, but +1 to the idea of making 
the interface XHTML and CSS friendly.

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