Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PRESENTATION TEMPLATE TO PEOPLE NEW TO LIBREOFFICE.
Hi :) At a guess there might be something useful on the marketing wiki. I don't know my way around it, so hopefully someone else here can help! I think one of the features Impress does have that Microsoft's Powerpoint doesn't, is an app for Android (and iPhone?) to allow you to use the Android as a remote control for changing slides etc. I'm not sure how that works if the computer doesn't have Bluetooth or WiiFi or something! So it's a nice to show off rather than something to spend much time researching into! Also i don't know if anyone in the marketing is close enough to send marketing materials (if they have them). It is really great to hear you are going to this meeting! Very, very positive! :) Any chance of getting someone to take photos and upload them to DropBox or somewhere for the marketing team to use? Good luck and many regards from Tom :) On 26 May 2015 at 18:31, Marc Stephan Nkouly mcste...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning Am writing from Cameroon am interrested in Promoting Libre office with a Presentation to aa panel of NGO staff during a little meeting where am invited. They know am a FOSS enthousiat and have ask me to make a little presentation. Concidering my lack of knowledged on the specificallylity of Libreoffice that will be useful to present to people new to computers i decided to contact the mailing list expecting that people's cn share their own presentations with me. I promise to use them for inspirations purpose and acknoledge those that i will use their materials. Thanks in advance -- Marc Stephan Nkouly bp: 5180 Nkwen Bamenda cameroon Mobile: 00 237 77 95 77 55 00 237 96 19 11 50 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Fwd: contact LO Belgium-fr ?
Hi :) Where i work when we go to events we take along old flyers even if we have newer ones but just put them at the bottom of the pile. It bolsters numbers, makes the stack look heftier (and therefore people are less reticent about taking one), it is a good way of using up older ones and a good way to make sure it's easy for people to compare or to access information that may have been changed on newer ones. If my place doesn't have any new ones (or has run out) then if anyone notices we say something like Wow!! Have we run out of the new flyers already? They've been really popular! I think the old flyers are plenty good enough. You all put a LOT of work and discussion in to producing them and it shows in the quality. Of course there were some points that people disagreed with but that is healthy and the result was good. Regards from Tom :) On 16 April 2015 at 08:11, K-J LibreOffice k...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi all, sorry, didn't really follow your discussion. Am 16.04.2015 um 08:16 schrieb pierre-yves.sa...@laposte.net: Hi I've uploaded a new version of the brochure. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x- CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-FRLtr.odt Updates: Version 4.4 - 110 languages - ref. web use - QR code - extension mechanism I have not found on the wiki (EN pages) materials for changing the visual. The flyer seems to use similar design. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x- CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4.odt There is only a difference in the line breaks. I think it looks a little bit smarter than the selfmade waves. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts#Lines_for_brochures To see how it looks in your brochure: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts#Miscellanea My skills in this area are limited Mine too, but I try to learn ... so I have not changed that... -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] TDF Birthday video?
Hi :) I think the fact that we all forgot says a lot about LibreOffice and TDF today. To me it says that you have all proven that LibreOffice and TDF are here to stay. It says that the whole project has matured. People used to question whether you all would still be around or if the project would split or fall apart or get absorbed and we would have to point out that many people and organisations involved were previously involved in OpenOffice and some of them/you for most or even all of OOo's lifespan. Indeed from our point of view it was OpenOffice that had a questionable future while LibreOffice was the continuation. However even despite all that was thrown at it and all it's tumultuous times OpenOffice survived too and both have grown a lot stronger, perhaps thanks to co-operative competition between the projects. Nowadays people don't question whether TDF and LibreOffice have the staying power. You have all proven that it does and you have done that so well that people don't even think about it being a question anymore. Most children brag about how old they are but as people mature they tend to pay less attention to all that. LibreOffice and TDF have clearly grown-up and been proven reliable. On the other hand it's nice to see that at least some people celebrated!! :))) Congrats and regards from Tom :) Like any child the first few years the birthday seems hugely important On 23 February 2015 at 20:33, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Is it just me or did we just forget to advertise the TDF 3rd birthday video on our mailing lists? Thanks for the wonderful video Italo! And thanks to all of the wonderful people in the photos with the wonderful smiles, not to mention all of the volunteers who make the foundation such a wonderful place to contribute. The Document Foundation: the third anniversary (Feb. 17th) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJLooSMPp6gfeature=youtu.be Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Conference Marketing: Upgrading LibreOffice/OpenOffice
Hi :) How about something shorter and catchier? All i could think of was What's new in LO (but with LO being replaced by the banner/logo) or Upgrade now!!! or the kitten gets it regards from Tom :) On 13 February 2015 at 11:52, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Robinson , Robinson Tryon wrote on 12-02-15 02:06: UPGRADING LIBREOFFICE/OPENOFFICE I keep on meeting people who are using an ancient version of LibreOffice or OpenOffice. Aside from physically handing people a CD or USB stick with a modern version of LibreOffice, = what are some good ways for us to encourage people to upgrade to the latest LibreOffice? = What do people think about some kind of campaign to upgrade to the latest version of LibreOffice? (This is something that could tie-in with DFD events) Simple banner/sticker Using older OpenOffice/LibreOffice - upgrade to the latest greatest LibreOffice now sounds great to me :) Ciao, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing ideas for SCALE in Los Angeles (and beyond)
Hi :) How about Tastic LibreOffice person but replace Tastic with whatever kids say about something they think is great. Back in my day in one place i lived everyone said Tastic about pretty much anything after a while but at first it had been only for truly awesome things like setting fire to the telly or some other explosion the grown-ups would definitely not have been happy with. Regards from Tom :) On 13 February 2015 at 11:43, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Robinson Tryon wrote on 12-02-15 01:51: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: ORGANIZING VOLUNTEERS ... - Marketing/outreach of LibreOffice in their local community I just had a great idea: stickers that say something like Proud LibreOffice volunteer. We could hand them out at a conference for those people who have contributed to the project in some way. Just like the I Voted stickers that you see (in the US, at least), it could have a great visual impact on motivating people to take the first steps of participation. Sounds as an interesting and easy to realize idea. If you want it at SCALE there's not much time left, but it doesn't have to be prefect the very first time, does it? Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] LinuxQuestions.org's Office Suite of the Year: LibreOffice!
Hi :) +1 A huge congrats to everyone involved in making LibreOffice what it is today Many regards from Tom :) On 5 February 2015 at 21:09, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Grabbing over 86% of the vote, LibreOffice was announced to be the winner of the 'Office Suite of the Year' poll: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2014-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-113/office-suite-of-the-year-4175528385/ A big thanks to all of our users who voted for LibreOffice, and a huge thanks to all the people who work on LibreOffice and who have made it the amazing set of tools that it is today! Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-website] [LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration] We're done! Please visit the new site to reset your password!
Hi :) A big +1 from me! I guess there might be teething problems but hopefully we can all be patient with those and just enjoy the advantages of the new system more and more :) Many thanks and regards from Tom :) On 25 January 2015 at 09:22, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2015-01-24 at 21:50: The migration was a great success. All of our bugs are now happily living at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/ thanks a lot to everyone involved, especially Robinson, Cloph and Alex - great work, and happy to finally have BugZilla in our own infrastructure! Thanks for the extra work during the weekend, you rock! ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest
Hi :) Ahh, just seen the announcement :) T-shirts sounds like better prizes to me for something like this. The t-shirts are much more unique and personal. My main points were; 1. Having some place holder to invite users to contribute their own templates 2. allowing non-US templates to be entered, without making it too obvious that it is allowed. Regards from Tom :) On 22 December 2014 at 16:13, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robinson, Le 22/12/2014 17:03, Robinson Tryon a écrit : On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: True and it is dangerous since it could show some spontaneity and community involvement. We surely do not want that ;-) +1 for community involvement I'm not sure users are aware of all the needed things to have a reliable template and one that could be localized too, so the best way would be that the design team does a pre selection and let the users vote only on the templates that complies. Speaking more generally than just this contest, having the Design Team give feedback or help to improve templates would be a great idea! it's currently under their control and yes, it's really great :) ... We all come from different origins so we will all face the same issues and these can be adapted by users or by native lang projects to match their own standard. Let us not create difficulties. Let this be a joyful moment for community participation! Making it easier for community members to adapt templates (and extensions) to their own native lang sounds like a positive contribution. What's the current workflow for localization? Currently template are on the Templates site. There is no workflow about their internationalisation. But after this contest, to populate the file in LibreOffice we will need to set one, this was discussed on other lists. Sophie writes: well they are under a open source license, so anybody is invited to do the work or enhance what already exists. Perhaps we can do more to make sure that work gets re-integrated back into the original version, or is made available as a derivative. Keeping a copy of each template in version control could reduce the barriers to participation. It would make it easier for contributors to fix typos, track down bugs, or make even bigger changes. What we need is a kind of official set that we can work in all languages with en_US as the basis to make sure that changes go in l10n as well. But I think that this is what Kendy has in mind. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
Hi :) +1 It is a good name. As a native English speaker i can confirm the little the gets dropped as Paolo described. I have a funny feeling there is some strange use-case where having The ... at the beginning creates problems but i think it's rare enough to be ignorable and anyway everything has a downside if you look carefully enough. The trick is finding a downside that really doesn't matter and i think TDF does that. Maybe just in filing? Regards from Tom :) On 10 November 2014 11:54, Paolo Pelloni pa...@paolopelloni.it wrote: I may be wrong not being a native speaker but. Most of the bands are called The Beatles, The Foundations you pick (not the Eagles though). I believe that normally you read and after the tour The Beatles went back to the recording of and the double the is dropped. In those instances most of the times The is capitalised, seldom is not. I always read the former as dropping the the article and the latter as a shortening of the name. Personally I like The Document Foundation exactly for the reason Charles explained. Paolo On dom, 2014-11-09 at 21:37 -0500, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 11/09/2014 01:29 PM, Lera Goncharuk wrote: В письме от 9 ноября 2014 18:33:20 пользователь Charles-H. Schulz написал: Hello Lera, As I was the one who originally came up with that name (although the founders had to all be in agreement with it), I may answer. It is not exactly clear why, and I probably forgot a few things sine we first started all this, but I know for sure that in English, if you say Document Foundation it will not have the same effect than if you say the Document Foundation. The definite article the puts emphasis on the rest of the name, which itself has one very generic noun document. So The Document Foundation is really THE foundation of the Document. Hope this helps, Hello Charles, Yes. I thought exactly that you said. Thank you. Lera With The in front of the name, it implies that it is the best of what it does. Having TDF as the abbreviation, it makes that statement an emphasis to the fact that it is Th'E' one and only or the best. I am glad it made it into the name. The only issue for grammar would be the double the in the line using the proper full name use with the content like this is the that - i.e. - We see the The Documentation Foundation growing as its product LibreOffice becoming even more popular. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Weekly News #5 waiting for reviews
Hi :) It is a wiki-page. It's actually faster and easier for people to do the edits themselves. If you can post an email then you can edit a wiki-page. Doing the wiki-markup is a little trickier but just editing is like editing text in almost any very simple text-editor. While so many people are picking such tiny detail to correct i would like to congratulate William Gathoye on doing such an amazing job. It must be exhausting to go through so many hundreds of emails, and collect the information from so many other sources at the same time. Proof-reading, if thought necessary, should really be done by a 2nd person, as it is done in documentation and translation teams. Personally i think it is fine as it is; 1. errors are fairly rare and very minor 2. it shows the international nature of the project and looks friendlier 3. it shows the that a vast quantity of information is sifted through in order to get the result. Note that other such things tend to have quite a few people collaborating or sending in articles and only appear monthly or quarterly or even less often. So, top marks to William Gathoye for doing such a fantastic job!! :))) Regards from Tom :) On 13 September 2014 11:42, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Am 13.09.2014 um 03:25 schrieb William Gathoye: I've just finished to write the fifth edition of LOWN. [1] Very nice work, thanks :) The latter is waiting for your reviews. just one observation: citation numbers in the text go up to 58, but the last reference on the page bottom is 50, so a couple of refs seem missing Nino [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN/5#Wanted:_team_coordinator_dead_or_alive_.28preferably_alive.29 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: LibreOffice Weekly News #4 released
Hi :) I agree that monthly would be easier for people to collaborate with. There is the other way around of people just contributing and if they miss one deadline for 1 week they hopefully catch the next weeks' issue. But people seldom think like that so a monthly release might be easier to cope with. Also although a LOT happens in a week it might be better to be a bit more selective and only include a fairly random smattering of what goes on. If people want the full play-by-play then they can join more mailing-lists/irc channels and this wiki-newsletter migth help pique people's interest more if it is monthly. I think it was quite heroic to start it as a Weekly and i think that helped get the ball rolling. I think we need to advertise it more within the community = and that might be better done monthly rather than weekly to avoid spamming the mailing-lists tooo often. Regards from Regards from Tom :) On 8 September 2014 13:00, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello William, Sophie, Le 08.09.2014 13:49, Sophie a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi William, Le 08/09/2014 13:40, William Gathoye a écrit : Hi *, I've just finished writing the fourth LOWN edition. [1] Comments are, as always, welcome. As I wrote in the introduction, I still need to catch up +700 mails (most are technical dev oriented) and summarize the slides/videos from the LibreOffice conference for LOWN 5. If you get involved at the conference and had a talk there, please provide your slides on your blog (if you have any) or any social network. I'm following the most influential on each social networks, if you published your slides there, I will find them. ;-) They are currently collected on the conference list, and will be uploaded asap on the conference site, the users track is already available. Same for the videos. As a reminder, if you have suggestions of topics non mentioned in the mailing lists, do not hesitate to put a note in the next issue [2]. Some things on top of my mind: - - MC elections - - certification - - Android tender - - infra migration LOWN basically consists in writing a summary which could be reused: * for the annual report The Document Foundation has to provide to German authorities, the pad will be mostly used for that, so don't hesitate to add your own infos on it, collecting all in one place is easier for the report writers. Yes indeed, which prompts me to note that, while I'm thankful for your work on LOWN, it does not look at all like anything collaborative. Here are some additional suggestions to make this a community effort and to improve the content. + turn LOWN into a LOMM = montly basis + have one set day when the newsletter edition is being started, announce it to the marketing list, the projects list, the native-lang projects + set deadlines to report news and content + everything should be done collaboratively on the pad or on the wiki. * by the marketing team; * and also by IT news like NextInpact, Phoronix, etc if they want to cover LibreOffice development. The newsletter is of primary internal importance, to keep everyone informed. But it can be used for other purposes, such as to feed some contextual content to journalists (journalists don't really care about newsletter, you must bring some specific message to them). Thank you again for your work, Charles. Kind regards Sophie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUDZfgAAoJEPL4wtZQX4TTm7IH+wYeb0UU1deaEOHcTLsBdc27 ajpZ/4BGyV15bN4rYg9/fkbdodcccKSF4SDSEwaJa7hZRTVnEg562WixKeWYggJT kc1szi8b/zJDPDyUKkuQ1V8hQhKzDvTSOnsFUIzbRP8hd7k4Jlg+4jMv3Mk+Dm5j mxjWcpjcMaigCSNBjG1wpasYR8SgLwoWnV2Y6JbGUorKvvtTInPN+BlUotUtjRkR jP1+w4wrUgZo+yWAAzI009+hvQ0YHsta4Pt8seJWYmbKadC0TFQW1FdPcQmJ/3eE I3gYMrQ6ZVOy/lPQn5y4pXZquI89kcpPU10a5RlOLXHxGnlhHIfHv2t9NhkfFGs= =I9jN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Animation about LibreOffice
Hi :) I guess the best thing would be if the spoken-script was available then anyone could translate it into their own languages. The proper translators team would probably do it better and faster. It does look great even with not being able to understand it. I echo others thoughts about this = Superb work, as always! Many thanks and regards from Tom :) On 29 July 2014 20:45, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 07/29/2014 01:06 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote: 2014-07-29 13:33 GMT-03:00 Marina Latini mar...@studiostorti.com: - Messaggio originale - Da: Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@libreoffice.org A: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Inviato: Martedì, 29 luglio 2014 18:23:46 Oggetto: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Animation about LibreOffice If you want, you can contact Ricardo Graça directly. Feel free, he is a wonderful person. Here his e-mail: ricolan...@gmail.com Done :) I want the Italian one! :)) I'm going to contact him too as I'm interested in the spanish one Any idea if an English version will come along? Like the animation, even though I do not understand the language. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we avoid with Two Lines.
Hi :) I think fresh is the tag that is obscure and could be changed. It's the best one i have heard yet but it's still not quite expressing what the early releases of a branch really give. Most people understand stable. My ideas for replacing fresh would be Innovative branch New features branch or something along those lines but you can see why i prefer fresh!!! Other projects face the same problem and have come up with things like cooking branch (SliTaz) which is interesting but confusing or the usual development branch which i'm sure feels just plain wrong for LO for most of us. Regards from Tom :) On 15 May 2014 19:39, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.comwrote: On 05/15/2014 12:06 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. snip --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET snip LO does do offer true Beta version should have read LO does not offer true Beta version okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) Yes we do offer a beta version, but not disguised as a full release version. snip I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag stable is very much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: so that's the stable version then, what's the other one for? We may end up changing that tag sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an exact science. It would be nice to have a better term than Stable in view that it could be taken that the Fresh version is not stable, even though it is. There is just a lot of new things in the Fresh line that needs some added work. It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do not offer a two line option. Maybe we could get some text that could be placed in a brochure to help local marketers with this issue. Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users equally confused? I did not know that MS was still selling MSO-2010. The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are companies knowingly give users beta software as a final release version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do this type of thing. Well, let's be very careful here. If companies do this, it is on their sole responsibility. I frankly do not see TDF doing that, ever. But, since these are office suites, and not airliners, nor trains or cars, we can also safely distribute LibreOffice beta versions, with a very clear language stating that's it should not be meant for production use but that we are happy to give a preview and welcome feedback and bug reports. Best, Charles. At least we state our beta version as beta or early release candidates versions and not as if they were final release version. TDF/LO keeps the alpha, beta, RCx, and final release version named as such. Of course the final RC version is the one that is released as the version that normal users will install. I just hate those companies that offer a product that is actually an alpha or beta as their non-alpha/beta version. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we avoid with Two Lines.
Hi :) +1 Good point. Perhaps a new name for stable could be rock solid or something? People do seem to find the stable 'branch' more stable than earlier releases in it's branch and they do seem to understand the concept fairly quickly but it does create a bit of confusion about the 'unstable' branch (which is not really unstable but just not quite as rock-solid) On 16 May 2014 13:38, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Tom, Le 16.05.2014 12:24, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I think fresh is the tag that is obscure and could be changed. It's the best one i have heard yet but it's still not quite expressing what the early releases of a branch really give. Most people understand stable. Yes, but you got it backwards. Stable is clear to anyone, indeed, except that the other one... is stable too. Thus we get the wrong idea about what the two branches are about. It would be like naming one branch free and the other one would have to battle hard in order to convey the notion that it would be free too. My ideas for replacing fresh would be Innovative branch New features branch You got the general concept right behind the meaning of fresh but I honestly doubt we will change fresh. However we will likely change the stable one. or something along those lines but you can see why i prefer fresh!!! Other projects face the same problem and have come up with things like cooking branch (SliTaz) which is interesting but confusing or the usual development branch which i'm sure feels just plain wrong for LO for most of us. It is not just SliTaz. Practically every distro has a development branch that is advertised at some point of its cycle: beta, testing, almost ready, etc. Debian has several of those, Fedora has rawhide, Arch has testing, Mageia has cooker, etc. The very important nuance is that we have these development builds too, but we rely on two stable branches (the one called stable and fresh). Fo each of these we have alphas, betas and release candidates. best, Charles. Regards from Tom :) On 15 May 2014 19:39, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 05/15/2014 12:06 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 15.05.2014 15:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2014 03:43 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. snip --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET snip LO does do offer true Beta version should have read LO does not offer true Beta version okay, but that's a factually wrong statement :-) Yes we do offer a beta version, but not disguised as a full release version. snip I do agree. And keep in mind that at this stage, the tag stable is very much in test. We have noticed it is somewhat misleading, as users come back to us (users list, blogs, tweets, etc.) and tell us: so that's the stable version then, what's the other one for? We may end up changing that tag sooner rather than later. But as you know, marketing is far from being an exact science. It would be nice to have a better term than Stable in view that it could be taken that the Fresh version is not stable, even though it is. There is just a lot of new things in the Fresh line that needs some added work. It is really hard to explain to most local users why we have two lines and what the difference. Most of the software that they look at do not offer a two line option. Maybe we could get some text that could be placed in a brochure to help local marketers with this issue. Sure, but I disagree with you about the two lines. How come MS still offers two version of Microsoft office (MSO 2013 and MSO 2010)? Are users equally confused? I did not know that MS was still selling MSO-2010. The fact that now there is a CNN article telling people that there are companies knowingly give users beta software as a final release version is something that really should not be done. LO does not do this type of thing. Well, let's be very careful here. If companies do this, it is on their sole responsibility. I frankly do not see TDF doing that, ever. But, since these are office suites, and not airliners, nor trains or cars, we can also safely distribute LibreOffice beta versions, with a very clear language stating that's it should not be meant for production use but that we are happy to give a preview and welcome feedback and bug reports. Best, Charles. At least we state our beta version as beta
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I think this article helps describe some marketing concerns that we avoid with Two Lines.
Hi :) But the stable branch is more certain of being more stable than any releases in the Fresh branch. The Fresh branch releases have undergone a lot of testing using various tools. Also because they have been built on various real-world machines around the world. It's then undergone alpha and beta testing. In that last part of the process it gets tested on a far greater range of real-world machines. So for most people it is fully stable once it gets officially released. I think that is the difference between what the article suggests other companies are doing and what TDF does. However i am sure that we do still see more bug-reports appear about releases in the fresh branch than we get after a branch has become stable. It's only to be expected really. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. People are generally happy with the idea of using the fresh branch in order to get new functionality and better compatibility with MS formats. So those are the USPs worth using to promote the fresh branch. That does still leave a lot of room for the more rock-solid stable branch. Many users are happy to sacrifice a bit of functionality and better compatibility if it gains them an much greater certainty of stability. Lets not forget that when OpenSource projects talk about security, stability and robustness we are generally including factors that no (or extremely few) proprietary projects would even consider. In the proprietary world if a user experiences problems of any kind they tend to face a barrage of blame. It's only once hundreds of thousands of users are affected that proprietary companies admit an issue might be their fault. In OpenSource that gets completely turned on it's head. If a user hasn't read documentation and doesn't know how to do a certain thing then that thing is often likely to end up as a bug-report or reported through social-media as a reason for not using the software. So, often the public perception is that OpenSource is less stable than proprietary precisely because it is more serious about it and does a better job of smoothing out problems. It's one of the many reasons i prefer OpenSource and keep pushing people into using it. Regards from Tom :) On 15 May 2014 08:43, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Tim, Le 14.05.2014 22:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I read this article this morning. Interesting article. Since it comes from CNN Money, it might help with some marketing issues that could creep up from time to time. It tells about the trend of major software companies selling software to their users that are really only Beta versions. LO does do offer true Beta version to the users, but we do have the two lines so our Fresh version, even though not a beta version, will hopefully tell our users that it is not completely free of bugs. Other companies seem to be actually selling beta software as is they were not betas at all. --- http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/13/technology/innovation/beta- testing/index.html Innovation Nation The end of polished and perfect software By Adrian Covert @CNNTech May 13, 2014: 8:21 AM ET This trend is not new at all and that's pretty much what a lot of companies and even FOSS projects do these days. I would not say it is the best way to grow our user base but it certainly can help. However let me stress again that our Fresh branch is not beta quality. We do have betas and Release Candidates that we'd like to talk about more, as it helps attracting more testers, thus creating more feedback. It also help organizations interested in migrating test the software in advance. Note that betas exist in our two branches, but we should communicate more on betas as well. Best, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] Tips of the week -help needed
Hi :) This is an excellent way of contributing to LO. Just quick little sound bites to help people find some of the potential or benefits of using LibreOffice. For me it was the use of styles that completely won me over. That combined with paste as unformatted text saved me more time on the day i read-up about it than it took me to do the reading. Was there 1 thing that stood out for you? Really focussing on the practical application or work-flow rather than politics or nebulous idealism. Regards from Tom :) On 2 May 2014 08:54, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello everyone, I went to check the list of tips yesterday and I saw that many more had been added - I don't know who (I can't know it) - by about 3 to 4 people so I just wanted to say thank you to the people who joined the effort and chipped in a few tips! Of course it's kind of a continuous effort, so feel free to add even more to it. Thanks, Charles. Le 2014-05-01 10:49, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) There is no list or form. It's just a document. You see words on the web-page? Some in different colours, some with different colour backgrounds? That is the document!! Weird isn't it! You can write straight into that page!! Regards from Tom :) On 1 May 2014 04:43, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for responding. Since I still don't see any list and/or form, well, I guess I'm either 'blind in 1 eye can't see out of the other' or this URL too goes elsewhere ;-) Congratulations to this URL's site's sponsors - it looks very nice and does not kick up the A-V programs :-) From: Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tips of the week -help needed To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Hi, Le 30/04/2014 16:12, anne-ology a écrit : Curiously wondering what this site is - I clicked on this URL - after a long moment, and allowing java, a page scrolled up, filled with colorful lines of what appears to be some chat-room [huh?] I expected to see a list of tips and/or a form to add some tips [???] I was planning to add the tips which I've been mentioning on this list; but I don't do chat-rooms, etc. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etherpad, it's only a collaborative editing tool that we own. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brazilian LibreOffice Community at FISL15
Hi :) Can someone add the event to the calendar? I think a live-streaming video of any lectures or presentation is asking too much but if we could do it and tweet about it to promote it then people might watch it. I suspect it's more likely that more people would watch a finished video on YouTube or somewhere a few days afterwards. Regards from Tom :) On 3 May 2014 05:02, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Eliane, Please do record Fridrich's lecture and post it online as me and many others would like to see it. Jay Philips On 05/02/2014 08:26 PM, Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote: Hello Community, Next week we'll participate the event 15th International Free Software forum in Brazil. They're celebrating 15 years, sharing free software and open standard. Our community couldn't stay out of this. We are very proud to have Fridrich S(trba with us in this event and he'll see how much loved LibreOffice is in Brazil. Fridrich S(trba, thanks so much to join us. Together, we'll do a show in this event. About the event: http://softwarelivre.org/fisl15/o-evento/fisl?lang=en Blog Brazilian LibreOffice Community: http://blog.pt-br.libreoffice. org/2014/05/02/libreoffice-no-fisl15/ Let's talk about #libreoffice #odf #documentliberation YEAH! Best, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice pencil box
Hi :) What does the %20 in the url mean? Do we have to have it? Can we remove it to increase clarity? Regards from Tom :) On 16 April 2014 11:37, Daniel A. Rodriguez daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote: https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files/download/Shared/Common/Marketing/images/pencil%20box.svg should be accessed by this link something like this. The index.php/apps/files etc. cannot be in the link. https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/Common/Marketing/images/pencil%20box.svg https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Owncloud go to this link to read up on the link structure for access by those with no user account. even after read that can't figure out how to share the correct link That said, I have access and your pencil box might be an idea to explore further. I think it's important to have something with certain usefulness in our desktop ___ Escuelas Libes Comunidad LibreOffice Argentina www.escuelaslibres.org.ar www.libreoffice.org.ar ♦ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] CeBIT 2014 impressions
Hi :) I think the event gets covered by various podcasts and blogs as well as more mainstream press. So if you can't find the TDF video then just google-it (or duck-duck-go -it or whatever). It would be great to get featured on some well known shows next year. There is bound to be some interesting story that some journo might be interested in covering. I really like the idea of sharing space at some of these trade-shows. I think it shows that we co-operate with other suites and programs and stuff = that we are part of an eco-system that covers a multitude of extremely different scenarios. If there is room to show-off a Raspberry Pi running LO then that might catch a journo's interest. Tiny but powerful. There are similarly sized machines but Raspberry Pi seems to catch a lot of attention in the press. Sounds like Thomas did an awesome job! It is impressive enough that people manage to organise representation at well-known trade-shows and such but it sounds like he took it to the next level. Congrats all! :) It makes lurkers, such as me, feel proud to be part of TDF. Regards from Tom :) On 31 March 2014 15:35, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2014-03-31 16:33: Do you know if video is available for these talks? not yet, but it will be soon at http://www.linux-magazin.de/VIDEOS/Konferenzvideos/Special-Conference-Open-Source-2014 Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 10000 people on Ask LibreOffice
Hi :) So we need more people to get involved over there! Look like it's MUCH more of a success than many of us expected. Regards from Tom :) On 25 March 2014 16:09, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, do you notice, that there are already 9988 people on Ask LibreOffice and the 1 will likely be reached in a few days? http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/users/?sort=newest Look at member number for the top left entry. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Wikipedia entry for OpenOffice software
Hi :) The wikipedia entry for OpenOffice seemed really quite biased towards Apache OpenOffice and somewhat confusing terminology that misrepresented the facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice#Software So i just edited the introduction. Previously it said; OpenOffice.org (OOo) a discontinued open-source ... so i deleted the word discontinued and added a line saying Now renamed as both Apache OpenOffice (AOO) and LibreOffice (LO (or LibO)) as both copied their original code from OOo. I don't know why mainstreamers have such trouble with the notion that it's possible to copypaste as well as cutpaste. Perhaps they just don't understand biological systems either. When cells first divide which is the original! ffs. Of course the answer is both neither and both at the same time so i guess it is a difficult concept to grasp. The page also made a big point about the code contribution from IBM but no mention of Go-oo so i added that and added that both had contributed code to the other (because outright admitting that IBM's contribution is also going into LO might be taken badly by corporate organisations). Hopefully all just vague enough to be true and to avoid potential problems wrt to ownership etc. Finally, it seemed weird that there were no links to Apache or TDF. So hopefully all quite a lot better now! Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Wikipedia entry for OpenOffice software
Hi :) Ahhh, thanks for the warning! It could be fun or i might just let it go for a while longer and try to catch it sometime after they have moved on. Regards from Tom :) On 21 March 2014 16:06, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Le 2014-03-21 16:48, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) The wikipedia entry for OpenOffice seemed really quite biased towards Apache OpenOffice and somewhat confusing terminology that misrepresented the facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice#Software So i just edited the introduction. Previously it said; OpenOffice.org (OOo) a discontinued open-source ... so i deleted the word discontinued and added a line saying Now renamed as both Apache OpenOffice (AOO) and LibreOffice (LO (or LibO)) as both copied their original code from OOo. I don't know why mainstreamers have such trouble with the notion that it's possible to copypaste as well as cutpaste. Perhaps they just don't understand biological systems either. When cells first divide which is the original! ffs. Of course the answer is both neither and both at the same time so i guess it is a difficult concept to grasp. The page also made a big point about the code contribution from IBM but no mention of Go-oo so i added that and added that both had contributed code to the other (because outright admitting that IBM's contribution is also going into LO might be taken badly by corporate organisations). Hopefully all just vague enough to be true and to avoid potential problems wrt to ownership etc. Finally, it seemed weird that there were no links to Apache or TDF. So hopefully all quite a lot better now! Thanks Tom! Be prepared for some hard work though. It seems there has been lots of LibreOffice haters editing that page in the past, and as such your own contributions might end up being overwritten very quickly. If you feel something's not right over there please let us know. Best, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Tip of the day tweets from @LibreOffice account
Hi :) Is tip of the day tooo frequent? Perhaps do a tip of the week? Give more people a chance to find it and discuss? I've not been following this thread but there are many sources for tips. The published guides, the Faq. One point that cropped up on the Users List this week was how easy it is to convert old Doc and Xls (etc) files to ODF and how quickeasy it is to do an entire folder's worth using headless mode. Regards from Tom :) On 6 March 2014 08:05, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Thzre is indeed a well used hashtag : #tipoftheday . Costs space but patches well in the Twitter flow. Best, Charles. Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote (05-03-14 22:55) I love the idea. Zeki, could you share/translate your tips of the day? I'm happy to tweet them from @libreoffice Nice :) Maybe 'tag' the specific tweets with Tip o/d Day or such? (Making them recognisable - but indeed costs some of the 140 characters..) Do you have enough ideas, Zeki? Maybe I could ask for example people on the Dutch-language lists for some too? Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo for this year LibreOffice Conference
Hi :) It does look a lot better with the 3 or more fonts? This is for a single event isn't it? Is it still bad practice to use 3-4 fonts if the logo itself is not going to be around for long? It's more eye-catching with the mix of fonts. Regards from Tom :) On 1 March 2014 09:40, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi all, Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but the correct date of conference is not 3 to 5? There are events from Sep 2-5, with community meetings on the first day. See the infobox here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference/Bern If we want to match previous logos, it looks like the full date range should be listed: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/SpecialEvents/LibreOffice_Conference_2011_Paris Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Need help - native speaker - CeBIT 2014
Hi :) I like these ideas The LibreOfficizer or have a tag line like LibreOffice-o-Matic: A Free copy for every customer! but the original still sounds the best, to me USB Filling Station despite my stated reservations i still think it's a good way of saying it. Both Robinson's suggestions sound a little retro but Dr Who has made retro cool again. Obviously you need to keep it short to grab people's attention. Avoid the tl;dr! Are there going to be other OpenSource projects available in the same way at the same booth? I'm not sure if that would help introduce people to the wider eco-system or just confuse people or cause fragmentation (with people originally coming up for LO but then walking off never using it and just using other FOSS stuff instead). Blender might be a good way of attracting people. Regards from Tom :) On 20 February 2014 08:29, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Thomas Krumbein thomas.krumb...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hey all, as you might know, we are designing a special event for CeBIT 2014 - we called it USB-Tankstelle in german, which is 1:1 translated like USB Filling station. Hmm...hmmm.. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I don't think there is an adequate English expression. Yes, I'm afraid this might be the case... On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Thomas Krumbein thomas.krumb...@documentfoundation.org wrote: What it means: We use a touchscreen where visitors can choose there favourite programm (Windows, Linux etc) and than push a button to fill there USB Sticks. In literal terms, it's a device from which one downloads a copy of LibreOffice. It sounds like one has a choice of OSes, so the term 'picker' or 'OS picker' might figure-in nicely to the name. Perhaps you could sidestep the problem, and just put up a sign that says Download LibreOffice to your USB thumbdrive right here -- in seconds! Or you could give it a fun, descriptive, made-up name like The LibreOfficizer or have a tag line like LibreOffice-o-Matic: A free copy for every customer!. --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Need help - native speaker - CeBIT 2014
Hi :) I don't think there is an adequate English expression. Filling Station is fairly uncommon but implies Petrol Station. Usually people try to avoid filling-up their usb-sticks. So, the name you suggest might make people curious to find out more. Errr, it might be good to capitalise the S to make the title all in title-case. Regards from Tom :) On 16 February 2014 09:55, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net wrote: Thomas, Le 16/02/2014 10:23, Thomas Krumbein a écrit : as you might know, we are designing a special event for CeBIT 2014 - we called it USB-Tankstelle in german, which is 1:1 translated like USB Filling station. I am not sure, if this is a real native expression - so please give us some helping hands:) What it means: We use a touchscreen where visitors can choose there favourite programm (Windows, Linux etc) and than push a button to fill there USB Sticks. So - what is the real expression in English?? From my FR pov: service station -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Who on Earth is the LibO installation target?
Hi :) I agree that quite a few things could be made much easier for corporate users. However, I'm a bit confused by the No Stylist, no Navigator, missing settings.. Do you mean those things are not open by default? They seem to be there for me after doing an install but just not open and ready to use. I'm not sure if someone from documentation is also working on the types of things you are writing. Even if they are there is a good chance they have stalled and might appreciate someone else taking over what they have done so far and that might help give you some other ideas or confirm some of the ones you had already. Regards from Tom :) On 8 February 2014 14:30, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, This has been posted as a contribution to another thread here. I feel this is very important and should be discussed in a separate thread. So, here we go. *Who* is the LibreOffice installation target? -- Business and Corporate users? Why, then, is the tool un-finished when the installation is over? No Stylist, no Navigator, missing settings. Worse, all these are hidden. If no-one in the company IT dept knows how much efficiency can be pulled from LibO, these gems stay hidden. This explains why thousands of users are indeed struggling against the tool while LibO is designed to help them. That's a real, real, shame. On a side note, this doesn't help getting market shares from these targets. From some pov the current office suites (unfortunately LibO is not alone), make me feel they are toys until someone takes some time to configure them before handling them to their in-house users. And I can tell you many IT depts won't ever change one single bit after LibO has been installed: the user is left alone. -- John Doe? Ok, fine with me. But then, please, give the businesses and corporate users a tool, a preset, something, anything to help them setting LibO to reach the efficiency their users need everyday. Currently the answer to the question is John Doe. Corporate users are left in a no man's land where they have to deal with problems by themselves with no help from any in-house dept. As a result, users just struggle with the office software to have their documents done. The IT dept generally have no clue to what's in a bird: they just install the software. The bosses never mind: they take decisions but won't ever use the tools. In the Office suite world, efficiency is just a motto. Don't you think our suite of predilection is worth better in corporate environments? Design and Marketing, any idea? IMO, LibO could help in the following ways: -- produce a document explaining what settings are better in a corporate environment (I'm currently working on that); -- having a document showing in details how to change the command-line installation settings to fit corporate needs (this might already exist but I failed to find it) -- have a specific installation tool that would give a ready-for-use suite right after intall. all this is *very* important in order to LibreOffice to make its way in businesses and corporate environments. Failing to do so is shooting oneself in the foot. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Giant opportunity for LibreOffice supporters
Hi :) Thanks for that!! I emailed it straight to both of my bosses Thanks and regards from Tom :) On 29 January 2014 13:59, goldf...@aol.in wrote: UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open sourceCabinet Office minister Francis Maude plans to standardise on open formats to cut costs on Office suite and break 'oligopoly' of IT suppliers http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Flyer about LibreOffice
Hi :) It is VERY different from the usual TDF flyers. It's bright, eye-catching and cheerful with lots of colours and almost no text. Looks nice! :) It's not A4 but that seems like a petty grumble. is it a standard flyer-card size? Thanks and regards from Tom :) On 19 January 2014 22:04, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Thanks! Looks great! Le 2014-01-19 16:42, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit : Dear Community, I prepared a flyer about LibreOffice for Brazil and I did the translation for English too. Feel free to use SVG FILE: https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/public.php?service=filest=63da4a0b77e4743eead36f0ba47b7a5c PNG FILE: https://owncloud.documentfoundation.org/public.php?service=filest=6ce7f5dd8a7734cab0b4d9d8b67c2e8c Best, -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ah, those release notes...
Hi :) My thoughts are that the wiki is the best place for them. 1. They might need editing at the last minute or people might realise something after the release has already happened. The wiki might be easier to edit on the fly more easily. 2. It's a good way of introducing people to the wiki. The type of person interested in the release notes might be interested in tons of other stuff that is on the wiki. I'm not sure what about this issue is potentially feeding the trolls. Surely all projects and programs are honest enough to admit where things might not have been perfect on final release or the more positive aspects because nothing is completely perfect all the time. Hmmm, ahh, ok. Now i see the trolling potential! Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 12:05, Daniel A. Rodriguez daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/28 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hi, I had a question which has some trolling potential, let's be honest, but at the end of the day I need to know whether my feeling about it was right and therefore I can move forward in one direction or another. Do we need to display release notes in a clear way on the website, or should we keep them on a wiki (of course, with a link from the website)? My thinking goes like this: few people read them and the people who do... tend to know our wiki. Most of the people don't, they are interested in features and these features will have a dedicated section on the future website. Thoughts? IMHO end user needs something 'user friendly', like outstanding features presented in a few lines. I agree that not everyone looks for detailed release notes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Donation options.
Hi :) We just had a suggestion on the Users Mailing List that bit-coin might be another good option to add to help more people be able to donate more easily. I don't know if it's difficult to set-up. My guess is that if it hasn't already been done then it's probably more difficult than it sounds and might not be worth doing. On the other hand it might just not have been thought of at the time the donations page was made and just be a dohh moment so i thought i would forward the idea jic Regards from Tom :) From: GM4N ® N g_...@hotmail.com To: us...@global.libreoffice.org us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2013, 13:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Donation options. Hi, i don't know if this is the correct address for support, but anyway: You should add bitcoin as a donation option. for me for example .. i live in belgium and we use a different credit-card (no visa/mastercard) and i do not own a paypal account. I would donate btc if it was an option. Grtz -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibOCon: number of talks per day
Hi :) A coffee break in the morning might be a good plan? Regard from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 21:17 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] LibOCon: number of talks per day Hi, how many talks per day to we expect to have at LibOCon? From a rough planning, I'd say 6x 1-hour-talks (or less 15-minute-lightning talks)? Roughly said: 0900-1000 #1 1000-1100 #2 1100-1200 #3 1200-1400 Lunch 1400-1500 #4 1500-1600 #5 1600-1700 Coffee 1700-1800 #6 The break times are rather generous, and we may add one additional talk (or add a second coffee break). If we go for 6 slots per day, with 3 rooms, on 3 days, that makes a total of 54 talks. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibOCon: number of talks per day
Hi :) I think psychologists have found that it's difficult for people to maintain focus for more than 40mins. Minds start to wander or drift off. Some people have tricks to give their mind a break earlier. Things often don't start bang on the time they are supposed to, especially in community groups. So the 1 hour slots sound perfect and gives sessions a bit of wriggle room. I have been to conferences where some of the most productive work was in the pub/bar afterwards. Networking with people from similar organisations or other departments and finding that some problems are not unique to your own area but are fairly common and then finding that 1 person or other has a neat work-around (often without even realising the problem has been hampering other departments). At a couple of conferences there have even been deliberate sessions set aside as workshops, usually to collaborate on some cross-discipline team-building exercise or just to catch up on emailing or to go on a quick sight-seeing tour (better as a 2hour block) or a tai-chi session to actively help the mind recover. Again it doesn't look good on paper but has really elevated the effectiveness of conferences. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 12:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibOCon: number of talks per day Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-08-27 11:41: I suggest to make the slots 50 min - that gives time to move rooms without need to hurry and will allow to extend a little over the regular time for questions/when time-management was not perfect:-) yep, that was my plan, about 40/45 minutes + QA, so not totally 60 minutes per slot. Sorry for not mentioning ;) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [Q] Best Route from Munich to Milan for LibOCon
Hi :) I think this is the right list because people here are aware of the event and what is going on and may be heading the same direction too so they might know. Sounds quite impressively brave! Good luck with all this! Regards from Tom :) From: Jihui Choi jihui.c...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 19:23 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] [Q] Best Route from Munich to Milan for LibOCon Hello, all. First of all, I have to say sorry for posting on wrong list. I couldn't guess which list is the best for my questions. If anyone knows, please forward this to there. Q1. Best place to visit for LibreOffice in Munich? Q2. Best Route from Munich to Milan for Libreoffice? Q3. Best Route from Munich to Milan for a tour? Story. I'm going to visit Milan via Munich from 18th to 28th, Sep. Of course for LibOCon and for my vacation. I'm very interested in Europe history and other great places, but in this time, I want to concentrate to Libreoffice. My flight will arrive 20:00, 18th, Sep in Munich and I want to join L10n meeting in 24th, Milan. Thus I have free time for 5 days from 19th to 23th. This is my first time to visit Europe and I can't speak German nor Italian. Just barely speak English. Q1. Best place to visit for LibreOffice in Munich? Munich is the one of famous city with LibreOffice. Is there any office to visit or to get infos about migration story to libreoffice(openoffice)? I'm thinking to persuade our government(South Korea, especially Seoul city) to migrate to Libreoffice, maybe in next year. For that, I collected some infos, but not much. If I could get the whole story or the detail plan of Munich case, it would be great for me. Q2. Best Route from Munich to Milan for Libreoffice? Please let me know if there is good places or cities which I must visit like Munich. Q3. Best Route from Munich to Milan for a tour? I'm thinking to visit Zurich for tour if there's no place for libreoffice. Munich - Bregenz - Zurich - (Genava) - Milan. please recommend the best route to me. At this moment, only thing I have is my flight ticket. no info, no plan yet. Any suggestion will be welcome. Thank you. -- Regards, Jihui Choi -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Subject: Digest of annou...@documentfoundation.org issue 145 (160)
From: announce+h...@documentfoundation.org announce+h...@documentfoundation.org To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 17:22 Subject: Subject: Digest of annou...@documentfoundation.org issue 145 (160) Topics (messages 160 through 160): - [tdf-announce] Call for Papers extended until August 22 - 160 - Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org - Dear community, from September 24 to 27, this year's annual LibreOffice Conference takes place in Milano, Italy. It is the major annual event for all LibreOffice contributors, supporters, adopters and users, and will be jointly hosted by the Milan University together with the LibreOffice community. We hereby announce that the Call for Papers will be extended until August 22, and invite all of you to send in your talk proposals for the conference. Whether you've been developing cool and exciting features, are using LibreOffice in your corporation, or would like to talk about the OpenDocument format ecosystem at large, send in your talk and present it to a large and diverse audience at LibOCon 2013! All details to the CfP are available at http://conference.libreoffice.org/2013/en/call-for-papers Looking forward to your proposals! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: announce+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] icon theme for Linux Mint
Hi :) I'm just forwarding this to the Design Team and Marketing at the same time. Please could either list make sure Bamm is CC'd into any responses as they may not be on your lists. I found these sets og icons for the individual apps/modules https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libo-mime-icons-300dpi.tgz https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Icons_for_pamphlet.tgz from here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/LibOIcons which i got to from somewhere buried in the generic stuff here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing I'm not sure if they are useful or not what you are aiming for but i hope they do help Regards from Tom :) From: Bamm b...@astronomy.com.ph To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2013, 3:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Linux Mint icon theme for Libre Office Hello, I am working on a Mint-X icon theme for Libre Office. Mint-X is the default theme for Linux Mint. Clement Lefebvre, the project leader of Linux Mint, has already included my work in Mint 15 Olivia and an updated version will be part of Mint 16. We are having problems with the implementation though, because our theme is not among the supported themes on Libre Office. We had to pretend to be another theme for it to be detected. Specifically, we named it images_human.zip because I noticed that Ubuntu's theme Human is supported. What steps do I need to take to have our icon theme included in Libre Office? Hoping for a favorable response. Regards, Bamm -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Portable Usb/Cloud installs of LO
Hi :) At the moment we recommend a 3rd party called Portable Apps but it seems they are sometimes quite slow about getting the new versions of LibreOffice onto their systems. WinPenPack seem to do the job a LOT faster and they cover every release but we don't even mention them. http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ Could we have them listed as an alternative to Portable Apps? I'm not talking about a radical redesign. Just adding a list, somewhere near the bottom of the page, of links to other companies that do the same thing. Regards from Tom :) From: Pedro hidden To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 3:23 Hi Virgil Virgil Arrington wrote Now, if we can just get a new branch of LO (x.y.0) to stop overwriting an older branch (x.x.7) by default, I would a most happy man. Actually that is only true under Windows. Under Linux and Mac the default is parallel install. In any case if you prefer to play it safe don't install any new versions under Windows. Just keep your x.x.7 build installed and use a portable version from winPenPack for testing. They are usually available a day or two after the official release by TDF at http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ and you can run as many as you like simultaneously. Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750p4068832.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portable Usb/Cloud installs of LO
Hi again Tom Thank you for keeping me updated. I just jumped to the Italian portable page. It's just a matter of translating the top part of the page... http://it.libreoffice.org/download/portatile/ If TDF acknowledges the releases by winPenPack (X-LibreOffice è realizzato per uso portatile da winPenPack.com con il permesso e l'assistenza di The Document Foundation. == X-LibreOffice is created for portable use by winPenPack.com with permission and assistance from The Document Foundation.) could this be available to all users? snip / Cheers, Pedro From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: webmas...@krackedpress.com Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 20:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portable Usb/Cloud installs of LO Il 05/08/2013 18:05, Kracked_P_P---webmaster ha scritto: If there is a marketing call for both versions of the portable system, then I would be willing to have both listed on the NA-DVD. Now that Mac PPC systems are no longer supported in the 4.1.x line, I have not problem with space on that disc and should have free space on the 4.0.x disc. X-LibreOffice from WinPenPack is the leading portable version in Italy, by far. In addition, the team - based in Italy - is quicker than PP in releasing the new version in English (and is maintaining a portable version for every available LibreOffice version). Just need to be able to place a working copy on to the jump drive[s] from a Win7 Home Premium laptop, and get it to run properly from there. I will have to uninstall LO from a different Windows system though. X-LibreOffice is very easy to install, and I have never had a problem with Windows 7. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber it...@libreoffice.org skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portable Usb/Cloud installs of LO
Hi Tom Can you please answer to krackedpress that he just needs to get a zip file from http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ and unpack it anywhere on the pen drive? There is no installer for using just the portable LO (unless he wants to get the whole winPenPack stuff) Cheers, Pedro From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 17:05 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portable Usb/Cloud installs of LO snip / I tried to install the alternative that was talked about before. But, I could not get it to install onto the 4 or 16 GB flash drive or now called Jump drives by Windows. I do not know if it was WinPenPacks or a different name. snip / Just need to be able to place a working copy on to the jump drive[s] from a Win7 Home Premium laptop, and get it to run properly from there. I will have to uninstall LO from a different Windows system though. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Article on building community on FOSS projects
Hi :) I think the QA team's recent competition was good for building up the community spirit. People on the User List seem to quite like it when they get invited to join in other lists or other teams. They don't always join in straight away because it's a bit intimidating and they seem to think they will need coding skills to join in elsewhere. Obviously posting too often would be annoying. Perhaps 1/month? more often? less? Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 13:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Article on building community on FOSS projects Hello Marc, Le Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:14:33 -0400, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com a écrit : As part of the marketing team, we often get so busy that we forget that part of our responsibility is to not only foster growth in the use of our product, but, and of large importance, that of fostering growth and building community. As it seems that we are all taking a well-deserved break after the release of v.4.1, this particular article has appeared on the OpenSource.com website. It makes for a good read and is quite well written from the point of view of detailing some tips on building community. I just thought that some of you would want to have a look at it, as, IMO, we have strayed a bit away from building community and this may in fact inspire those of us who contribute and remind us to encourage others, who are sitting on the sidelines on our mailing lists, that there is a place for everyone in our TDF/LibreOffice communities and that any contribution, small or large, are most appreciated. You can read the article by Nicole C. Engard here: http://opensource.com/life/13/7/10-secrets-open-source-communities Good catch! And thanks for bringing back an important topic on the table: our community is what we do and who we are, and the primary mission of the marketing team is to act as an information bus across our community - and to as well as from the outside. BTW, let me remind everyone that you can comment on the agenda of our marketing workshop in Milano here: http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/marketing Thank you, Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Flyer about LibreOffice
Hi :) WOW!!! Really attractive! :) Nice images. Gives plenty of hints and teasing tasters to make people want to find out more by visiting the website you give. I can imagine people glancing at this and then visiting the website even if they lost the actual flyer itself. I like the way you handle the formats issue by just quoting the ISO number and thus neatly avoiding any debate about competitors. It's a bit large and officious compared to the friendliness of the rest of the flyer but i think taht is part of why it works so well. I think this flyer will catch people's attention and move them onto the website Superb work! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@libreoffice.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 23:05 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Flyer about LibreOffice Dear all, I prepared a flyer about LibreOffice for Braziland Itranslatedfor Englishto share with you. Feel free to use. SVG file: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-about-EN.svg JPG file: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-about-EN.jpg Best, -- Eliane Domingos de Sousa Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil Brazilian LibreOffice Community Liberte-se, para editar textos, planilhas e apresentações use http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/ é totalmente de graça. Experimente o sistema de perguntas e respostas da Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil:http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br/questions/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft 8 business priorities
Hi :) I think a lot of this depends on which country. I've just heard from someone at an Iranian University that encourages people to use TeX as an alternative to Word. Sadly they don't yet support Odt at all but that seems open to change. Here in the Uk it seems that all institutions force people into using MS formats and that doesn't seem likely to change, they even seem to be getting more entrenched. I don't chat with many kids though. My bosses kids are around 7 and 5 (ish), i think, but they are already firmly committed to MS. No mention of iThings. On the other hand he seems to be about the only person that doesn't have a string of hand-held devices. Regards from Tom :) From: Toki Kantoor toki.kant...@gmail.com To: Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 19:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft 8 business priorities On 07/24/2013 01:19 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The fact that MS's tablet seemed to be a failure, since their first one [Surface RT?] was not compatible for a very large percentage of Windows The Microsoft Surface RT was Microsoft's first commercially released ARM Tablet. The first tablet to run Microsoft Windows was released in 2001. This tablet used an Intel chip. cost a premium when I bought the laptop. It almost seemed like all of the makers has to charge an extra fee to run Win7, For laptops that come with Win7, one has to purchase a license for Windows 8, and Windows 7. For laptops that come with WinXP, one has to purchase a license for Win8, Win7, WinVista, WinXP. can help families keep their back to school software budgets from becoming more than their mortgage payments. Depending upon the specific school, the required hardware and software is more likely to be an iPad running iOS, or an an Android tablet running Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean, or Key Lime Pie, than a laptop/desktop. AFAIK, both LibreOffice4Android and LibreOffice4iOS are still in alpha, with a very long way to go, before being suitable for testing by non-developers. jonathon -- LibreOffice in a Multi-Lingual Environment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Campaign for ODF file formats?
Hi :) If we were to target certain companies to try to get them onboard with ODF then it might be good to start with our own supporters. Low hanging fruit should be easier, right? Google-docs doesn't allow people to use ODF!! Actually i think ODF usage has improved quite a bit now that MS Office supports it. It's really odd to have Google as one of the remaining barriers! I think quite a few people do Ask websites that provide editable files in Word/Excel/PowerPoint to alternately or additionally provide versions in an ODF format. and it might be good to let such people know that there are groups they could join that might help them be more effective. OASIS and the FSF are 2 such organisations that would be great to promote to TDF's mailing lists. An announcement now might build-up momentum. The timing would be about perfect right now. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 9:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Campaign for ODF file formats? Hello Robinson, Le Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:29:10 -0400, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com a écrit : The PDF Readers campaign[1] recently contacted LibreOffice and asked us to promote the use of Free Software readers for PDF file formats. We had a brief discussion[2] on the website mailing list, and I had the idea that it might be helpful for LibreOffice if we or the FSFE ran a similar campaign for ODF. There are several directions such a campaign could take; here are some of my first thoughts: 1) Promote the use of standardized icons for ODF files, both when listing files for download, or when listing system capabilities/allowed upload formats. (Question: Is there a standardized set of icons for ODF files?) There was a big debate a long time ago and the answer was that it would not really work. 2) Promote the use of Free Software for reading/writing ODF file formats. I assume you're familiar with the Document Freedom Day? We participate to it too. But at the risk of playing the devil's advocate, we promote the use of open standards and ODF, however, promoting the use of Free Software for ODF file goes exactly against the initial purpose: open standards are open to everyone, even proprietary software. That's their value and their importance. 3) Ask websites that provide ODF files to link to our list of ODF-compatible Free Software. our list -- you may rather want to have them link to the wikipedia entry on ODF. Following the concept of the PDF Readers campaign, we could get a domain like 'odf-software.org' and provide HTML and campaign badges/icons to make it trivial to link to the site. Yes, but why should it be up to us? It could be up to the OASIS Consortium and other movements to take care of that. I sound reluctant here not because I'm not interested but because it's very important to realize that we are an implementor of ODF. ODF as such is vendor neutral and while we ought to push the use of ODF we cannot take over the promotion of ODF. 4) Ask websites that provide editable files in Word/Excel/PowerPoint to alternately or additionally provide versions in an ODF format. Preaching to the choir :-) Actually Wikipedia / Wikimedia already provide the ability to create ODF documents based on a collection of articles. Best, Charles. Cheers, --R [1] http://pdfreaders.org/ [2] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg11433.html -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure
Hi :) QR code anyone? It's just occurred to me that i've never seen a QR Code so that people can effectively 'click' on the leaflet with their smart-phone and be taken to a useful wiki-page or something. Different QR Codes could take people to different parts of the site. Perhaps 1 for the downloads page and 1 for further information relevant to the type of person the leaflet is aimed at. If you are using GnuLinux there are various simple QR Code generators that just require you to feed in the target web-page and the generator then spits out a gif or png that works with all smart-phones; iPhones, Android and even Windows (if the person has found a reliable QR reader (does a Windows phone count as smart?)). iPons and Android tend to either have such readers by default or make them easy to findinstall. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Cc: LibreO - Marketing Global marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 9:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure snip / Cor, I've looked at the flyers, but what I want for this conference is something with more specific information, to hand to people who express an interest or ask questions I can't answer. So I'm looking again at what I might be able to pull out of the website or wiki. Things like: what language LO is coded in and and what tools are commonly used. As well as licensing whatever other info a hacker might want to know up front. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure
Hi :) Here is a QR Code i generated from that nabble_a href=LibreOffice-Dev-GetInvolved.pngLibreOffice-Dev-GetInvolved.png/nabble_a I tried to get it as small as possible but it might be too large to cram into the current flyer. You can reduce the size but once grey areas appear then it's too small. Of course the colours can be change but it helps to keep the contrast quite high Regards from Tom :) From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl To: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Cc: LibreO - Marketing Global marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 10:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure Hi Jean, Jean Weber wrote (02-07-13 10:30) I've looked at the flyers, but what I want for this conference is something with more specific information, to hand to people who express an interest or ask questions I can't answer. So I'm looking again at what I might be able to pull out of the website or wiki. Things like: what language LO is coded in and and what tools are commonly used. As well as licensing whatever other info a hacker might want to know up front. OK, I understand that. On the one hand: hackers often are faster in finding something on the internet that you can tell'm. But that is of course not always true. So indeed, basic info over language, licence and opportunities to join (EasyHacks) are good to have at hand. Maybe it's enough to just add: C++ (for most parts), cgit repository, GNU LGPL3 licence, copyleft and the QR code maybe can better link to this page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved Best, -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Facebook invoices
Hi :) I thought the daily thing was just for the trial run so we could keep tight control over what was going on and could stop it quite quickly if required? I think that's over and the Facebooks Ads got approved for longer-term usage/experimentation? Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 23:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Facebook invoices donation = invoice Florian Effenberger wrote on 2013-05-31 00:23: is there any way to reconfigure the Facebook ads to have a monthly or weekly payment? Receiving one donation per day, checking and archiving it is a tedious, painful task, I'd somehow like to avoid... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Making use cases videos
Hi :) The Video Tutorials are at http://spoken-tutorial.org/ and although they already have quite a lot i am fairly sure they would welcome people joining in. I started working my way through at a very low level and just and only very occasionally but they seem excellent. As a native English speaker i often wince at accents or blatant errors in similar things (particularly anything from or about MS) but have been quite amazed just how pleasant all the voices have sounded and how well written all the scripts have been so far. They might need story-boards or scripts (for people to read) or ideas for higher levels. They do a LOT of non-English languages too but as the project is funded by (i think) the Indian Government it focuses on languages for that area of the globe; stretching as far as Indonesia and as near as Arabia. I don't think they go quite as far as Japan and i didn't notice Hebrew either. Their main language seems to be English. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org; des...@global.libreoffice.org des...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 10:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Making use cases videos Le lundi 27 mai 2013 à 11:40 +0200, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Il 26/05/2013 20:46, Pablo López Soriano ha scritto: I saw there's already a placeholder for this project, in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items called Create videos to Teach using LibreOffice. Should I start there? That could be a good starting point. Please liaise with Marc Parè (subscribed to most mailing list), who is in touch with the Indian project which has already produced some videos (sorry, I have lost track of them). Marc is generally keeping track of everything, and especially of what BoD members like Charles and myself are losing because of the workload. Indeed. Pablo, let me know if you need anything else. Thanks! -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) Given how close to completion i think stick with the font being used to avoid having to re-word anything and avoid that whole fuss with hyphenation again. It looks good as it is! Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; (Libo 2012 Membership Committee) Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2013, 15:34 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Le 16/05/13 09:19 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 05/15/2013 I have now proofed the Official brochures. The US-Letter one looks fine. I have made some changes to the A4 version, as I did for the community brochure. The A4 Official brochure is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4.odt IMO all 4 of these are good to go. --Jean Thanks Jean Sorry, not ready yet! Unfortunately, could we take a look at these again? I notice that they are in Liberation font and not in the OpenSans fonts that the design notes prescribe. We used the OpenSans fonts as these mimicked the website new page -- it uses the same fonts. I have now fixed the problem with the templates which were sending people to the wrong website. It got mixed in with some of our edits. My apologies for this. Jean, could you test the links on the template pages, download the fonts and then change both the A4 and the USLtr to the right OpenSans font? This will be a good test to see if all of our design notes work. Tim and I both have the OpenSans installed on our boxes. If you don't have time, I could do the changes and then you could just take a look at the files to proof again. The OpenSans is a tighter font and may affect the hyphenation. Just by way of explanation for everyone, the Official versions were made with offset printers in mind and these were designed to look like our iconic v.4.x.x look on our website and with the idea that they would be printed professionally. Cheers, Marc NB: Here are the template pages: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) I think that practicality demands we give people the Pdf versions so that we know how it will look after thy print it. Many places give 2 formats. 1 editable as well as the fixed Pdf. Most claim the editable one is Word format. as though there was only 1 of those and that it was the same in every version of Word and that only Word could read it (surely this last point should raise alarm bells, right?). Very few separate the format from the programs. When they do they often make mistakes; claiming an xml is xls (not even ooxml, just straight xml) or claiming it's a Doc when really a DocX. On our Documentation page we get it right and state ODT or PDF to make it clear people have a choice which they download and then have a choice again about what program they use to open it. BTW Pdf is often listed as Adobe ... Sometimes they give a button advertising Adobe and making it easy to download Adobe Reader. We could do the same. So, on our documentation page people can choose the one that looks the same on every printer or the one that may look a little different. It's interesting no-one points out we could use a hybrid that opens as editable in LibreOffice but that Pdf readers see as straight Pdfs. It's good but a lot heavier. So it's better for directly sharing files, or over a network but not always quite so good for email or putting on websites. Anyway i think we should actively promote ODF but that we should provide marketing materials in PDF (or in both) Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 6:38 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information It's OK, I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this one and it has been done over quite often. In fact, we had the same discussion 2 years ago. We can muse over it some other time. Cheers, Marc Le 14/05/13 08:06 PM, Jean Weber a écrit : This topic should probably have a thread of its own. --Jean On 15/05/2013, at 10:05, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/05/2013, at 7:54, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: As a point of discussion on the printing of .pdf's from .odt: I was hoping to promote our .odt file format and hope that the people who download and print brochures would decide on their own to create the .pdf brochure should they see a need for doing so. This way, we would be assured that the person(s) would at least be using an ODF-compatible wordprocessor. This is more of a philosophical view of posting our materials and less of practicality. Does it make it more difficult to print out our brochures? Well yes, if you consider that some may just download the .pdf version and go to print with Adobe Reader or another .pdf reader, and, not even bother having a version of LibreOffice on their system. But IMO, I would then rather see people use LibreOffice or another .odt compatible wordprocessor do the work. This will at least ensure that our product and format stand out as a good solid and professional working format from which to work. It would help in establishing the ODF standard as a gold standard in office formats. We need to start displacing the .pdf format and we, the juggernaut that we are, are well placed to do this; there are really only 2 elephants in the room left and its LibreOffice and MSO. We can't keep saying that the ODF standard is the best of office suite standards and then make use of the Adobe .pdf file to print our products. We are well placed to encourage/influence more printing houses to host LibreOffice solutions on their premises for printing purposes. The first question users should say to their printing houses is Do you service/support LibreOffice ODF printing? If the demand is there, the service will follow. By continuing to make use of .pdf formats, we are diminishing the demand of service for our own product. We use LibreOffice in-house for our production work and we know it's strength as a serious work tool. IMO, we should start making our influence felt where we can. This will also strengthen our product with groups who are considering adoption of our suite as they will see our resolve to make the ODF formats more of the office format standard of choice. Marc Two points: I travel with an iPad. I can download and print a PDF using the iPad. I cannot (yet) run LO on my iPad. When LO is available on Android, that will help other tablet users -- but not us iPad users. I don't think we should let ideology get in the way of practicality. Also, I am of the camp that says, don't give people an editable file (from any office suite or DTP program) unless you want them to be able to edit it. I would *never* give an editable file to a printer, if I can possibly avoid it, lest they accidentally change something. --Jean -- Marc Paré
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) Oops, please ignore my previous post! Pdf and Odt are very different and are not really competing against each other. LibreOffice does not have a native format that is equivalent to Pdf. It's comparing apples to oranges. I definitely think that everywhere that people post Doc or even worse DocX we should be using Odt. i am fairly sure we already do that. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications It might help if some of us shared files in Odt format and gave the download link to LO in case people can't read the format. It worked with Pdf. You still see sites advertising Adobe Reader and telling you to download install it in order to read their Pdfs. No-one questions it. We could do the same. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 9:10 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Hi :) I think that practicality demands we give people the Pdf versions so that we know how it will look after thy print it. Many places give 2 formats. 1 editable as well as the fixed Pdf. Most claim the editable one is Word format. as though there was only 1 of those and that it was the same in every version of Word and that only Word could read it (surely this last point should raise alarm bells, right?). Very few separate the format from the programs. When they do they often make mistakes; claiming an xml is xls (not even ooxml, just straight xml) or claiming it's a Doc when really a DocX. On our Documentation page we get it right and state ODT or PDF to make it clear people have a choice which they download and then have a choice again about what program they use to open it. BTW Pdf is often listed as Adobe ... Sometimes they give a button advertising Adobe and making it easy to download Adobe Reader. We could do the same. So, on our documentation page people can choose the one that looks the same on every printer or the one that may look a little different. It's interesting no-one points out we could use a hybrid that opens as editable in LibreOffice but that Pdf readers see as straight Pdfs. It's good but a lot heavier. So it's better for directly sharing files, or over a network but not always quite so good for email or putting on websites. Anyway i think we should actively promote ODF but that we should provide marketing materials in PDF (or in both) Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 6:38 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information It's OK, I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this one and it has been done over quite often. In fact, we had the same discussion 2 years ago. We can muse over it some other time. Cheers, Marc Le 14/05/13 08:06 PM, Jean Weber a écrit : This topic should probably have a thread of its own. --Jean On 15/05/2013, at 10:05, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/05/2013, at 7:54, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: As a point of discussion on the printing of .pdf's from .odt: I was hoping to promote our .odt file format and hope that the people who download and print brochures would decide on their own to create the .pdf brochure should they see a need for doing so. This way, we would be assured that the person(s) would at least be using an ODF-compatible wordprocessor. This is more of a philosophical view of posting our materials and less of practicality. Does it make it more difficult to print out our brochures? Well yes, if you consider that some may just download the .pdf version and go to print with Adobe Reader or another .pdf reader, and, not even bother having a version of LibreOffice on their system. But IMO, I would then rather see people use LibreOffice or another .odt compatible wordprocessor do the work. This will at least ensure that our product and format stand out as a good solid and professional working format from which to work. It would help in establishing the ODF standard as a gold standard in office formats. We need to start displacing the .pdf format and we, the juggernaut that we are, are well placed to do this; there are really only 2 elephants in the room left and its LibreOffice and MSO. We can't keep saying that the ODF standard is the best of office suite standards and then make use of the Adobe .pdf file to print our products. We are well placed to encourage/influence more printing houses to host LibreOffice solutions on their premises for printing purposes. The first question users should say to their printing houses is Do you service/support LibreOffice ODF printing? If the demand is there, the service will follow. By continuing to make use of .pdf formats
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: An early report on the Facebook ads
Hi :) Mind-share or more recent terms. The aim of mind share is to establish a brand as being one of the best kinds of a given product or service, and to even have the brand name become a synonym for the product or service offered, err quoting from wikipedia rather than going to original sources, sorry. It's increasing the momentum of the drive into market share. Winning heartsminds creates more and longer-term users that are willing to put up with odd problems and keep using the product. If people simply download it and try it without knowing or caring about the likelihood of differences and object to the slightest difference then they wont stay long. If we have won their heartsminds then they stay long enough to learn and even appreciate the differences. So, it's longer-term success that is difficult to quantify. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 10:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: An early report on the Facebook ads snip / Do you like the page because you think it's a cool project, did you click out of boredom or did you actually download the software and use it? All good questions to ask... :-) Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Posts on the marketing list
Hi :) I am sorry you all feel that way and sorry i have caused offence. It's interesting that new users seem to appreciate my points and even in disagreement it's reasoned debate. It seems the contributors from long ago refuse to even think about it and deny that obvious truths exist or careful misinterpret what i am trying to say. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 10:36 Subject: Posts on the marketing list Hello Tom, Your recent posts on the marketing list have been, for a very large part, distracting and disturbing the progress of the team. The comments you have made have not been the result of an actual contribution from your side and their content did not help improve the ongoing work that was being discussed. On the contrary, your posts seemed to have reflected your opinion on general matters and on the LibreOffice software suite itself that was out of context with respect to the discussion at hand. What is even more disturbing is that we, the board of the Document Foundation, have received off list complaints of long term contributors who hold us that they were not reading this list anymore because of your posts. We would like to remind you that this list, as well as others, are communication tools for the LibreOffice project contributors and do not exist for any other purpose. If you were to continue to post similar comments we will be forced to moderate your messages. On behalf of the Board, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) That looks fine. Both look great actually. It looks like some of the spacing between paragraphs has been sorted so they are not so badly cramped. I'm still worried about how is going to take responsibility when people lose data in Base. Pretty much everywhere else is advising people NOT to use the in-built back-end. Marketing is now the only list that seems to be suggesting it's the main way to use it. Regards from Tom :) - Original Message - From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013, 1:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/05/2013, at 21:40, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: IMO, the only thing I would have a problem with is p.2, third panel, The passage: * The LibreOffice user interface is available in many languages, even in languages for which localized commercial software is not available. Support for over 100 languages and still counting. The separation of the last two lines ... the last line languages and still counting looks like it no longer belongs to the paragraph and we should avoid hyphenating the word languages, By convention, we should be writing one hundred when writing in paragraph form which would fix the problem, but the number 100 has larger impact. I would then suggest remove the bold sentence and just make 100 languages in bold and this still seems to bring home the point that we support over 100 languages. Marc, using spelled-out numbers in text is only convention if you choose to follow a style guide that insists on that. In science and technology, using numerals is as much, or more, of a convention, partly because numerals are more easily and quickly understood by people with English as a second language. For example, our manuals use numerals for that reason. I'll look at your samples and make other comments when I get a chance. --Jean Sorry about the delay. I looked at this yesterday, made a few tweaks in the spacing of the leftmost column of the second page (your text changes are fine with me), and then forgot to upload it. I've replaced my earlier version of the US-Letter files. How is this? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.pdf --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
automatic hyphenation Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) I finally found it! From the menus Format - Paragraph - Text Flow - top tick box UNtick it to turn of automatic hyphenation Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 2:06 snip / * It would look a lot better if automatic hyphenation were turned off. snip / --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-conference] LibOCon videos
Hi :) I think it's best to think o things like that as works in progress. Some people would rather have someone proof-read thir work before posting it up for all the world to see. Also some of us don't have all the skills (or time) needed to finish a job in one go so it's better to have it where other people can carry on the task until it is ready for public display. Regards from Tom :) - Original Message - From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 14:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-conference] LibOCon videos Hello, FGM at GMail wrote on 2013-05-13 15:37: Any reason why you choose not to push these videos of a free software to Archive.org, or any of the more commercial video embed services like Youtube, Dailymotion, Vimeo, instead of having to use a special player on TDF's own infrastructure ? That seems a rather closed approach. that's a technical limitation due to the recording technology. The slides have been added and synced with the videos, and that can only be properly played with their player software. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) YES, that's solved it!! :D The Base bit is still a bit too wordy for something where we only want a brief mention of Base and the word also still really bothers me a LOT. Fixing that just means changing; Base can also be used as a front-end to Base is a front-end or even better just cut the whole paragraph down to something like; Base is a full-featured desktop database that links closely with the other LibreOffice applications. Base is a powerful front-end to most enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. So from 3 long and very wordy sentences down to 2 only medium wordy ones. The bullet-points are not driving me dotty anymore. It's all lined-up and looking great. The sentence about languages is smooth. Layout is MUCH better. There is a little white-space at the bottom of a few panels/columns that could most usefully be used to either 1. space-out the panel a bit to make it even easier on the eye OR 2. left as is. Either way would be fine. The white-space is not excessive and possibly isn't even enough to work with if going for option 1. It's most natural and comfortable the way it is so i think leaving as is would be best. Many thanks for all the hard work on this!! I think it's 99.9% perfect now. Great stuff! :D Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 1:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information snip / We are trying to address Tom's complaint of p.2 panels 1 and 2. One of the corrections to the brochure that we could make is move the complete bulleted list started on panel 1 and move it to panel 2 ... and move the text from panel 2 -- panel 1. Just switching the text may address the spacing problem he mentions. Note that we should also consider the flow of information and see if moving the text has any impact on the understandability of the brochure. So, we may want to compare the versions of: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt USLtr_JHW version with the posted demonstration version of: http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/JuggledColumnsBrochurev4.0GeneralInformation.odt Should we adopt the moved text version? I'll look at the demo version a bit later when I have time, but I think I can improve the bullet points indentation issue in another way, less drastic that moving whole swags of text. Give me a few hours. :-) --Jean I think the layout of the demo version (with the text switched) is definitely better visually. I'll apply my editorial changes to the text, and also tweak the indentation of the bullet lists, and get an updated copy to you later today. --Jean Here is my latest iteration of the Letter version of the draft brochure. See what you think. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO4-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInfo-USLtr_JHW_rev.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO4-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInfo-USLtr_JHW_rev.pdf I'll do the A4 version if you like this one. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) Tbh i can't see the differences in the png or the odt. My immediate thought is that having some things centred (such as most of the headings and the small stray, isolated paragraphs) does help a lot even though it might be inconsistent with other formatting. It makes it more visually appealing imo. Is there anywhere we could do right-justified? The languages paragraph looked fine to me before but the png does draw more attention to the 100 languages. I think the paragraph is still not quite 100% perfect though. Perhaps changing the order of things to The LibreOfficeuser interfaceis available in many languages: even in languages for which commercial software is not localized. Support for over 100 languages and still counting. Hmm, no, that makes it clunky again doesn't it? :( So i think go with Marc's change. :) Regards from Tom :) - Original Message - From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 12:40 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Le 11/05/13 08:32 PM, Jean Weber a écrit : Here is my latest iteration of the Letter version of the draft brochure. See what you think. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO4-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInfo-USLtr_JHW_rev.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO4-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInfo-USLtr_JHW_rev.pdf I'll do the A4 version if you like this one. --Jean Thanks. IMO, the only thing I would have a problem with is p.2, third panel, The passage: * The LibreOffice user interface is available in many languages, even in languages for which localized commercial software is not available. Support for over 100 languages and still counting. The separation of the last two lines ... the last line languages and still counting looks like it no longer belongs to the paragraph and we should avoid hyphenating the word languages, By convention, we should be writing one hundred when writing in paragraph form which would fix the problem, but the number 100 has larger impact. I would then suggest remove the bold sentence and just make 100 languages in bold and this still seems to bring home the point that we support over 100 languages. = I am not sure of the centered text on p.2 top of panel 1: LibreOffice is a free, power-packed, open source productivity office suite for MS Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux As it is the only centered text left on the panels, it looks a little out of place. Perhaps flush-right would look better? I printed out both centered and flush-right. Alternatively, we could leave that passage centered, add an extra empty line at the end of the paragraph; on the next paragraph, leave as is, but, make the line: LibreOffice is the suite for you. Change it to centred, heading 2; change it to green (same as the above MS Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux; remove the italics on the line; add an exclamation mark at the end of the sentence for added subliminal effect. LibreOffice is the suite for you! This seems to balance the panel more and when printed all of the headings look centered on the printouts. Have a look a the .png and .odt files here: http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LO4-CommunityBrochure_GeneralInfo-USLtr_MP_rev.png http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LO4-CommunityBrochure_GeneralInfo-USLtr_MP_rev.odt Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Spain's Extremadura starts switch of 40, 000 government PCs to open source
Hi :) Good work on this! Thanks for letting the list know Regards from Tom :) From: Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013, 3:52 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Spain's Extremadura starts switch of 40, 000 government PCs to open source -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-04-30 08:42, Danishka Navin wrote: The government of Spain's autonomous region of Extremadura has begun the switch to open source of it desktop PCs. The government expects the majority of its 40,000 PCs to be migrated this year, the region's CIO Theodomir Cayetano announced on 18 April. Extremadura estimates that the move to open source will help save 30 million euro per year. https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/spains-extremadura-starts-switch-4-government-pcs-open-source Can we expect 40,000 desktops with the LibreOffice? :-/ This is a really important announcement and as such I wanted to make sure everybody got these details right. I downloaded and tried the Linex ISO image which is the basis for this deployment. The current version dates from just February. It's based on Debian 7 (which is about to be released this weekend), and as such it features LibreOffice 3.5.4: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1367462998.png I hope that's useful if/when this deployment is mentioned in the TDF / LibreOffice material. Cheers, Fabian - -- Fabián Rodríguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGB1OQACgkQfUcTXFrypNVKwwCdG9D7XfY/tqk30h0dcORz0CoA Q+cAn0Fqa8kaZoEPfU2xyMp3jGXXGMH0 =NpYV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) +1 Bullet-points are still oddly indented. Almost all the split words have been fixed though. Only about 4 remaining and even those are split in more logical places. Please can we change the Base wording from Base can also be used as a front-end ... to something like Base is best when used as a front-end ... or even better Base is a front-end... Just out of curiosity who would handle a court action against TDF? At the moment the Users List handles the problems carefully to avoid such action occurring to people but so far it's just been down to luck that people haven't tried to start proceedings against us. The current wording effectively states that the intended usage of Base is with it using the internal back-end and that is known to have caused data-loss and other problems. The sentence about languages is tons better. It looks smth now :) The rest felt smoother but other problems had not really jumped out at me before so all i noticed there was that the splitting of words had been dramatically minimised. Superb work Jean, as always! :) Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 7:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information On 05/10/2013 11:08 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies for not having got to the brochure earlier. Comments: * It would look a lot better if automatic hyphenation were turned off. If some hyphenation is essential to make all the text fit in the space available, use conditional hyphenation. * There are some between-word spacing errors in the A4 version that are obviously caused by many extra spaces having been added (probably at the ends of lines in the USLtr version. These extra spaces need to be removed. * I have a LOT of suggestions for improvements in wording as well as a few punctuation corrections. I think the easiest way to handle this is for me to edit the file and create my version for everyone's consideration. I'll do that and upload to the wiki and post the links here. --Jean Files here: ODT https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4_JHW.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt PDF https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4_JHW.pdf https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.pdf Apologies for lack of change tracking. --Jean Thanks Jean Your letter size looks better to me. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) Try a squint test. Hold the leaflet quite far away and almost close your eyes to see how the ting looks at a distance to outsiders. Then you'll notice the sections with bullet points look like they are accidentally misaligned compared to the rest of the text. On the 3rd panel of the 2nd page it looks more deliberate but the rest looks accidental. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 8:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information Tom, I have not been reading the discussion in detail, so I don't know what you mean by oddly indented bullet points. Jean On 11/05/2013, at 17:26, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Bullet-points are still oddly indented. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) Errr the bullet-points issue is fairly minor if no-one else is noticing what i mean. It's a bit like kerning. Sometimes it's too trivial to be worth fixing but sometimes it's really horrible. In this case the bullet-point indent looks fine as it is. It might be a minor improvement but it's honestly not worth spending too much time on. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 20:07 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Le 10/05/13 11:08 PM, Jean Weber a écrit : On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies for not having got to the brochure earlier. Comments: * It would look a lot better if automatic hyphenation were turned off. If some hyphenation is essential to make all the text fit in the space available, use conditional hyphenation. * There are some between-word spacing errors in the A4 version that are obviously caused by many extra spaces having been added (probably at the ends of lines in the USLtr version. These extra spaces need to be removed. * I have a LOT of suggestions for improvements in wording as well as a few punctuation corrections. I think the easiest way to handle this is for me to edit the file and create my version for everyone's consideration. I'll do that and upload to the wiki and post the links here. --Jean Files here: ODT https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4_JHW.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt PDF https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4_JHW.pdf https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.pdf Apologies for lack of change tracking. --Jean Thanks! Looks great. * When you say conditional hyphenation, where is the option switch for it, I can't seem to find it in Options. Could we also take a look at the following links (ignore the hyphenation problem)? We are trying to address Tom's complaint of p.2 panels 1 and 2. One of the corrections to the brochure that we could make is move the complete bulleted list started on panel 1 and move it to panel 2 ... and move the text from panel 2 -- panel 1. Just switching the text may address the spacing problem he mentions. Note that we should also consider the flow of information and see if moving the text has any impact on the understandability of the brochure. So, we may want to compare the versions of: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt USLtr_JHW version with the posted demonstration version of: http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/JuggledColumnsBrochurev4.0GeneralInformation.odt Should we adopt the moved text version? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) I was just saying that if you try to sell a used car then pointing at the flat tyres and saying the wheels are great is not likely to result in a good sale. Selling Base for what it is good for shows people how much more advanced and powerful LibreOffice is. Trying to sell Base for what Access is good for (and the 1 thing that Base is bad at) is a bit dismal. It underplays our hand. Why compete with MS when we can change the conversation and by doing so be sooo far ahead. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 14:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information This is not the place to do this discussion. We need to work on a brochure not fix any Base problems on this thread[s] about the various brochures. I need a brochure for my local work. If we start talking about problems with LO, that will not get up anywhere. To be honest, most people I deal with do not use MSO Access, so Base is not an issue. SO let us work on the text of the brochure. Let us work on the things we can, and let the developers work on the thing they can, On 05/10/2013 12:39 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) So when people suffer data-loss due to using the internal back-end what is the Users List supposed to say? I guess we just blame it on marketing not knowing about a known issue. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 5:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Tom, Base works fine for the many users who don't do anything more than dead simple stuff, so it's not a horribly broken nightmare for most people. Of course, for those affected, that's no doubt true. But give it a rest; by continually carrying on about it on the marketing list you accomplish nothing other than annoying people, most of whom can't solve the problem anyway. Marc, I think your phrasing is good. The also definitely is appropriate and needed. --Jean On 10/05/2013, at 14:08, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Yes, i took also out because when used with the internal back-end Base is a horribly broken nightmare. It's only when used with an external back-end, such as an up-to-date untweaked version of HsqlDB (rather than the ancient mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / MariaDB or PostgreSQL or others that Base really becomes quite powerful. If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing out the flat wheels and rattling exhaust-pipe! Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Sorry for getting back to this so late. Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's version but I think without the also it sounds as if Base does not come as an installed database. If we were to put also back in, then the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act as a frontend to the databases you mention. How about if we had: Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Would this sound better? I think with the also included it clarifies what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL also shows that it is extensible. Cheers, Marc Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) +1 Perhaps remove also as Base is at it's strongest when used as a front-end. It seems to be the default way of using Base and it's much easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it is with Access. So, perhaps Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information -- Updated to v.4 (still in edit stage by the marketing team)
Hi :) Looks fine! :) Nice work there :) I was trying to think of a better way of saying The LibreOfficeuser interfaceis available in many languages, even in languages for which cost of localization for commercial software is not available. but i couldn't come up with anything that wasn't clunky in some other way. Perhaps The LibreOfficeuser interfaceis available in many languages. Even languages which commercial software can't afford to translate into. See what i mean? Still clunky. On the 2nd page in the 1s and 2nd columns the bulleted indents make the lining-up look a little strange but on the 3rd column it looks fine. Also a lot of words got split at the end of sentences but nothing can be done about that. The really weird thing was when i opened the A4 in 4.0.0 the formatting looked really messed-up with the far left column on 1st page clearly jumping up through the column header. However when i clicked into the document it all jumped back down again and looked great. Same thing happened with the US letter sized one. So, if it happens to you just give it a minute to fix itself. I've been thinking about upgrading to 4.0.3 quite soon anyway, hopefully this weekend. It could just be something weird in my settings or anything. This machine has been unhappy for a while now and needs some tlc. Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 17:02 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information -- Updated to v.4 (still in edit stage by the marketing team) Hi everyone, As per the discussions on this thread, the text has been modified, I have: * updated the whole Writer paragraph -- as per Italo's suggestion * updated the wiki workspace page with the such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. added to the end of the Base paragraph. as per Tom's suggestion * used the updated community template version -- as per Mattias changes Could you please all take a second and perhaps last look at the text, format? It would be also nice if you could print it out and then proof the brochure with the following elements in mind: * make sure the text is OK * look for any spelling errors or EN syntax * formatting ... should some words be in bold or italic? * any other oddities ALSO, although this brochure is meant to be an ink-saver version you should also check to see how it looks in B/W. I have printed it out on my Brother laser and it looks fine in B/W. Although, it is still better if you print it in color to check it. NOTE If your printer is printing the brochure in an odd format, this is because LibreOffice is using the wrong device to print it. If you have this problem go to Print-Properties-Device (the tab) and pick an appropriate device for your printer. Tim and I are not sure if this is a LibreOffice bug or a problem with the OS setup -- it would be nice to get some feedback on this -- if it is a bug then we will submit it. As I believe there are move people who use the A4 format, I have also done up the Community A4 version along with the USLtr version. You can download the new versions here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr.odt Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Brochures from other orgs
Hi :) A quick google search gave me https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marketing+brochuresclient=ubuntuhs=fnbchannel=fsgl=uktbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=22iNUffaHomX0AXx8IC4CAved=0CGYQsAQbiw=1861bih=933sei=7WiNUe3QHue90QXYwIHgBw another gave http://www.google.com/search?q=marketing+brochure+samplesa=Xtbm=ischtbo=usource=univei=CHONUcLFNsbL0AW69YHADwved=0CDYQsAQbiw=1861bih=933sei=lnONUe2mAaGc0wX9lIGQAw Something that stands out is that everyone else is doing it wrong. They put lots of white space and images. Not so much text. They seem to avoid directly describing detail of their product in words and use emotive wistful yearnings for vague nebulous desires. All completely the opposite of our brochures. There are a lot of guides on how to create brochures, for example; http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/how-to-create-a-marketing-brochure-in-house/ that say crazy stuff like, this 3rd point Compile your artwork: Pictures and illustrations are almost always the first thing readers look at in brochures. then their 5th point is Communicate with color, 6th is Add photos and artwork. This link has fact-sheets that again have far tooo little text and far more use of white-space and images compared to our brochure http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Partners/Marketing/Brochures.aspx A service offering to print brochures 'professionally' for 'you' http://www.vistaprint.co.uk/custom-brochures.aspx?GP=5%2f10%2f2013+5%3a39%3a00+PMGPS=2833956794GNF=0 says Showcase your company in full-colour splendor Another set of brochures, again with almost no text at all and far tooo much attention on images http://www.bouncemarketing.co.uk/brochures-and-order-forms A service to help design brochures http://hn-marketing.co.uk/our-work/?client=ShirerequestType=client_selectclientRestrict=ycategory=Brochures%20%26%20datasheetscategorySelectFlag=1 Nearly 2/3rds of the page is a single, clear image. 1/3rd text but even that has a lot of white space and layout such as colour-coding, boxes and more images. How can their business survive if they keep getting it so wrong, so opposite to ours. Similarly with fuse8 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/miele-product-brochure-17513 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/miele-brochure-17249 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/milliners-wharf-mini-brochure-17302 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/prospect-city-view-brochure-12535 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/charles-topham-merchants-place-brochure-10938 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/lighthouse-brochure-10951 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/endless-corporate-brochure-12421 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/ask-liberty-property-brochure-13194 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work/byre-developments-trinity-view-brochure-14484 http://www.fuse8.com/our-work Advice from About.Com http://marketing.about.com/od/directmarketin1/a/brochmktg.htm Their point 4 ... Motivate your reader to look inside The first page your reader will see is the front cover. Get it wrong and you've as good as lost the sale. Don’t make the common mistake of couching your services in technical jargon. Think benefits or thought-provoking statements that motivate the reader to pick up the brochure and open it. Add a flash that tells the reader there's something inside that will interest them – an exclusive invitation, a free report, special discount or advance notice of sales. Don't be tempted to put only your company logo or product name on the front. It won't work. Another guide on how to create http://www.marketingcommunicationsblog.com/8-killer-tips-that-will-dramatically-improve-your-marketing-brochure-and-the-design-process/ Their point 6 ... 6. Refrain from trying to cram too much information in the brochure I have worked with clients who have wanted to cram everything, including the kitchen sink, inside their brochures. There has to be some clarity and focus. Remember the second point above, define your objectives? This will help considerably when determining what to place in the brochure. Allow for some white space (or blank areas) to focus the readers attention. Why this is important: Remember, the objective of any marketing collateral is to communicate and I mean, effectively. By filling in any available space with information, especially just for the sake of taking space is anti-productive to communicating your objectives. Another printing service http://www.uprinting.com/marketing-brochure-sample.html Brochures are definitely a great way to pique an audience's interest. From; One Extra Pixel http://www.onextrapixel.com/2012/04/26/40-unique-and-beautiful-examples-of-brochure-design/ The main purpose of a brochure is to set up a visual amalgamation for prospective clients through the use of images, text and symbols. You The Designer http://www.youthedesigner.com/2010/12/02/20-brochure-design-examples-ideas-for-your-print-projects/ http://inspirationfeed.com/inspiration/25-incredible-examples-of-brochure-and-catalog-design/ Ahah, at last
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information -- Updated to v.4 (still in edit stage by the marketing team)
Hi :) Yes, 1st and 3rd panels look a lot better. In the middle panel it feels like the bullet points are trying to sneakily slope off the page to go down the pub. If there was a mirroring white-space on the right of the bullet-points to make it more like the Eiffel tower then it would look more deliberate or a vertical strip of artwork (using wrap through) down the far left that does line-up with the text under it. Tbh though i think go with what we have. It is plenty good enough given that the top aim is to cram information into it. err, btw Exchange in the heading in the 1st panel should have an x in it but i think that was due to haste and would have been corrected anyway Regards from Tom :) - Original Message - From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information -- Updated to v.4 (still in edit stage by the marketing team) Hi Tom, Some good points ... Le 10/05/13 12:42 PM, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi:) Looks fine!:) Nice work there:) I was trying to think of a better way of saying The LibreOfficeuser interfaceis available in many languages, even in languages for which cost of localization for commercial software is not available. but i couldn't come up with anything that wasn't clunky in some other way. Perhaps The LibreOfficeuser interfaceis available in many languages. Even languages which commercial software can't afford to translate into. See what i mean? Still clunky. Yes, I think it is clunky, but I now realize that the is missing a the cost of localization I will fix that. I don't really mind the original sentence; it is to the point and clear. Most people will realize of whom we are criticizing. On the 2nd page in the 1s and 2nd columns the bulleted indents make the lining-up look a little strange but on the 3rd column it looks fine. Also a lot of words got split at the end of sentences but nothing can be done about that. Yeh ... I could try to move the Exchange Data to the first panel and then the bulleted list to the middle panel. Have a look at this and let me know what you think: http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/JuggledColumnsBrochurev4.0GeneralInformation.png How does this look and how does the flow of text work? The really weird thing was when i opened the A4 in 4.0.0 the formatting looked really messed-up with the far left column on 1st page clearly jumping up through the column header. However when i clicked into the document it all jumped back down again and looked great. Same thing happened with the US letter sized one. So, if it happens to you just give it a minute to fix itself. I've been thinking about upgrading to 4.0.3 quite soon anyway, hopefully this weekend. It could just be something weird in my settings or anything. This machine has been unhappy for a while now and needs some tlc. I wouldn't worry about that, I think it's the way the page is drawn first and then the frames are laid on top. There is just a slight redraw needed for the change. Regards from Tom:) -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community
Hi :) So, again it will be people that have already been attraced to the product and just want to learn more? It doesn't have to be eye-catching in it's own right? Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 2:58 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community Our next priority brochure will be the Community brochure. Jean is going to OSCON in July and asks if we could get it ready for the conference. It is always better to get it done earlier for others to use. Our nl teams will want to work the brochure once it is done. The community brochure's target audience will be people interested in the following areas: developers, QA, support, documentation, design (both Visual Identification and UX), translation etc. (yeh, I know there are more). So the list is long and we have only a brochure to fill from the point of view of [*community*]. Add your points that you think we should be writing of in the brochure. Don't worry if there are too many items, we will prioritize the list at the point of writing the text. We are looking for content items. Just add to this thread and I (or someone else) will take care of adding them to the workspace wiki page that has been set up. We are doing the writing of the brochure in steps.[1] Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes/LibreOfficeCommunity -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) Yes, i took also out because when used with the internal back-end Base is a horribly broken nightmare. It's only when used with an external back-end, such as an up-to-date untweaked version of HsqlDB (rather than the ancient mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / MariaDB or PostgreSQL or others that Base really becomes quite powerful. If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing out the flat wheels and rattling exhaust-pipe! Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Sorry for getting back to this so late. Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's version but I think without the also it sounds as if Base does not come as an installed database. If we were to put also back in, then the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act as a frontend to the databases you mention. How about if we had: Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Would this sound better? I think with the also included it clarifies what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL also shows that it is extensible. Cheers, Marc Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) +1 Perhaps remove also as Base is at it's strongest when used as a front-end. It seems to be the default way of using Base and it's much easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it is with Access. So, perhaps Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Italo? I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one. My proposal: Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be used as a front-end to many enterprise-class databases. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) So when people suffer data-loss due to using the internal back-end what is the Users List supposed to say? I guess we just blame it on marketing not knowing about a known issue. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 5:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Tom, Base works fine for the many users who don't do anything more than dead simple stuff, so it's not a horribly broken nightmare for most people. Of course, for those affected, that's no doubt true. But give it a rest; by continually carrying on about it on the marketing list you accomplish nothing other than annoying people, most of whom can't solve the problem anyway. Marc, I think your phrasing is good. The also definitely is appropriate and needed. --Jean On 10/05/2013, at 14:08, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Yes, i took also out because when used with the internal back-end Base is a horribly broken nightmare. It's only when used with an external back-end, such as an up-to-date untweaked version of HsqlDB (rather than the ancient mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / MariaDB or PostgreSQL or others that Base really becomes quite powerful. If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing out the flat wheels and rattling exhaust-pipe! Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Sorry for getting back to this so late. Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's version but I think without the also it sounds as if Base does not come as an installed database. If we were to put also back in, then the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act as a frontend to the databases you mention. How about if we had: Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Would this sound better? I think with the also included it clarifies what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL also shows that it is extensible. Cheers, Marc Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) +1 Perhaps remove also as Base is at it's strongest when used as a front-end. It seems to be the default way of using Base and it's much easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it is with Access. So, perhaps Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Italo? I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one. My proposal: Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be used as a front-end to many enterprise-class databases. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community
Hi :) Thank you, thank you, thank you! I didn't realise too long; didn't read was such a standard thing that it had a standard phrase and even a shortened-form! Is there a simple link to some marketing guru that confirms it? Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 5:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community For my purposes, this brochure needs to tell people how they can contribute to the project, what's in it for them if they choose to do so, and what a great community we have that they would enjoy being a part of while at the same time contributing to a great product. So in this particular case, we're selling the community more than the product. Of course the brochure should be eye-catching as well. And not have too many words. Tl;dr doesn't sell anything well IMO. --Jean On 10/05/2013, at 13:35, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) So, again it will be people that have already been attraced to the product and just want to learn more? It doesn't have to be eye-catching in it's own right? Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 2:58 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community Our next priority brochure will be the Community brochure. Jean is going to OSCON in July and asks if we could get it ready for the conference. It is always better to get it done earlier for others to use. Our nl teams will want to work the brochure once it is done. The community brochure's target audience will be people interested in the following areas: developers, QA, support, documentation, design (both Visual Identification and UX), translation etc. (yeh, I know there are more). So the list is long and we have only a brochure to fill from the point of view of [*community*]. Add your points that you think we should be writing of in the brochure. Don't worry if there are too many items, we will prioritize the list at the point of writing the text. We are looking for content items. Just add to this thread and I (or someone else) will take care of adding them to the workspace wiki page that has been set up. We are doing the writing of the brochure in steps.[1] Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes/LibreOfficeCommunity -- Marc Paré -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals
Hi :) It is possible to stop the underlinings and blue links. I do it by brute force just by reformatting the links to force them out of having underlinings. I could do a more elegant way by changing the settings in Tools - Options - Appearance but that might mess up other things for me so i don't. Besides it gives me a chance to say brute force as though i had some muscle. Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 16:12 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals Le 08/05/13 10:42 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : I tend to use the PDF version to do most of my printing. I create the documents and then make a PDF version that can be printed on any system, with or without LO installed. So if you make a PDF version with clickable options, make sure they can be printed without any problems. As I stated earlier, most professional places prefer PDF files for their printing, when they do low count prints. I tend to print the brochures myself, but sometimes it is worth the extra costs from a printing service, since they can use a machine to do the folding. Every fold 150 brochures at one time? I did andfor heavy stock paper it is worth the cost for the machine folding. Also, some printing services would charge more for the official brochure than the community brochure, due to the large block of ink on the front panel. Hmm, how about it we labelled it in such a way as to make it clear to people that the .pdf version was an electronic version specifically optimized for electronic posting and not for printing? We could list the reasons why it is not preferable to use this version for printing ... underlined links throughout the brochure which would make for an ugly print! We can then advise that anyone wishing to print any of the print-optimized version to take care of this on their own. At least this will allow the people printing the .odf version to have a little more control over the .pdf version for their print jobs. Do you think this would be OK? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals
Hi :) Ahhh, cool! That is a LOT more elegant :) Thanks Jean :) Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 22:10 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals Tom, There is a better way to do that, which doesn't mess up other things and doesn't affect any other document except the one you're changing. In the ODT file, change the Internet Link character style for the document. --Jean On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It is possible to stop the underlinings and blue links. I do it by brute force just by reformatting the links to force them out of having underlinings. I could do a more elegant way by changing the settings in Tools - Options - Appearance but that might mess up other things for me so i don't. From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Hmm, how about it we labelled it in such a way as to make it clear to people that the .pdf version was an electronic version specifically optimized for electronic posting and not for printing? We could list the reasons why it is not preferable to use this version for printing ... underlined links throughout the brochure which would make for an ugly print! We can then advise that anyone wishing to print any of the print-optimized version to take care of this on their own. At least this will allow the people printing the .odf version to have a little more control over the .pdf version for their print jobs. Do you think this would be OK? Cheers, Marc -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Open Help Conference Sprints 2013
From: Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 2:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Help Conference Sprints 2013 Hi Tom, I haven't seen any registrations from any LibreOffice folks. In case anybody is considering coming, I want to mention that the hotel room block is only available until May 14. Hotel rooms downtown will be hard to find after the room block is released. Let me know if I can do anything to help. Thanks, Shaun On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 20:58 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Has anyone booked in either as participant or to lead a session or give a talk? Does anyone know if it got onto the Marketing Lists Calendar? Regards from Tom :) From: Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 22:37 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Help Conference Sprints 2013 Hi all, I'm hosting the Open Help Conference Sprints again this year on June 15-19 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. http://openhelpconference.com/ The first two days are the conference portion. Abut half the time is devoted to presentations, with the rest used for open, attendee-led discussion. This format provides some structure, but still lets everybody share their experiences. On June 17-19, multiple open source documentation teams have documentation sprints. This year I have four rooms of various sizes, centered around a common break area. Sprints are great for building communities and putting focus on a project. Jean joined us last year. I'm not holding my breath that she'll make the long trip from down under again, but it would be nice to see some more LibreOffice documentation people. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Shaun -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
Hi :) +1 Perhaps remove also as Base is at it's strongest when used as a front-end. It seems to be the default way of using Base and it's much easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it is with Access. So, perhaps Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can be a good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL. Regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Italo? I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one. My proposal: Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will make it look great. Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be used as a front-end to many enterprise-class databases. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Spain's Extremadura starts switch of 40, 000 government PCs to open source
Hi :) I get the impression that all 5 areas use GnuLinux (and therefore probably LibreOffice) already in some areas. So i suspect this is not so much a switch away from MS Windows and MS Office but more a consolidation onto LibreOffice. So, not a trial period or bunch of noobs with no experience but a follow-through due to LibreOffice having proven itself better through being used in those places. It's not people flailing around desperately seeking a new answer that may fall for FUD and switch again and again. it's a strong move in a determined direction after long testing and long-term experience. It's a solid move. I think that makes a stronger case for celebration Regards from Tom :) From: Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013, 15:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Spain's Extremadura starts switch of 40, 000 government PCs to open source On 2013-05-02 09:25, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Fabián, you are saying that these 40,000 PCs would use Linux and LibreOffice, instead of Windows and MS Office? According to the article, yes. I am just confirming what I saw. I also visited the Andalucía region and it's the same scenario there. That was *in 2007*. I am really glad that Fabián let us know about the Spanish region that is switching. We need to see more of that. Yet we really need a list somewhere reflecting these articles and the numbers. White paper / use cases from the commercial support companies behind GNU/Linux and those listed for LibreOffice (where is that list again) should help. Not every company thinks about writing those and making them public, though. F. -- Fabián Rodríguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
Hi :) They are kinda like a reverse Robin Hood. Taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 17:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office They do it in France as well and in many other countries. The cost is one argument, but then there can be other arguments on costs as well. This being said, there are plenty of policy arguments to counter that. best, Charles. Le mercredi 24 avril 2013 à 20:26 +0530, Kannan Moudgalya a écrit : MS is giving this solution to India free of cost! Kannan On 24/04/13 7:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 24/04/13 08:34 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Taking as example, our school system in Canada. I have been a FOSS advocate for over a decade if not more and also sat on a committee called ESC (Elementary Software Committee) with my school board (for even longer) where we evaluated software destined to elementary school use. Our ESC committee also worked cooperatively with our IT staff making sure that any acquisitions did not take down our servers nor compromised them. In short, our ESC in conjunction with the IT staff were pretty well the deciding group for software purchases and adoptions. At present, we do use some FOSS software but not LibreOffice. As we are all aware, moving to LibreOffice in some geographical regions is quite difficult due to the MSO penetration within these markets. From my point of view, the only way that we could budge the elephant, would be to question the financial reasoning and logic behind using an expensive suite which often will cost between $35-50/seat per module (in Canada and most likely in the US). As most board of educations (in Canada) are financially accountable to a publicly elected School BoD, then our main option would be of demonstrating publicly the fact that, feature for feature LibreOffice offers the same educational advantages as MSO. If it were demonstrated publicly that LibreOffice at the primary level offered the same identical benefits as MSO BUT without its expensive cost, and, if we could demonstrate the LibreOffice suite was easily integrated on their server stacks, then, public pressure would mount with demands to the school boards of adopting the LibreOffice suite as their main teaching tool at the primary level. If we were to mount a public ad campaign, in national, provincial and community newspapers, for example, starting with the most populous province in Canada, we could most likely start a wave of LibreOffice adoption throughout that province. Once the wave starts in a populous province, it then become difficult to stem this wave from propagating to other provinces and of even crossing borders. The purpose of the ads would be to get people to discuss in public and help mount popular opinion on the savings of millions of dollars from unnecessary software. We should definitely be looking at simplifying our cloud version of LibreOffice so that educational institutions have this on their list of options. Most of these institutions have their own stacks up and working already and this is what MSO is hoping to lock them into. I don't believe that this strategy is anything new to MSO as they are most likely expecting it and hoping that we are languishing enough for them to lock their client base into their cloud services. And, yes, MS is most likely on these mailing lists and monitoring any mention of MSO and possible strategic plans being implemented on our part. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
Hi :) Brochures are useful if used properly but they are definitely not a one-thing-fits-all answer. I was sent to a seminar once and got there desperately late, so late that everyone had already gone in and while walking through the cafe/reception area i put a neat and attractive little spread of about flyers and gate-fold leaflets/brochures for about 3 events and for our main company on each of the little coffee tables. The next day we were inundated with calls and emails. Apparently people had taken more notice of our 'accidental' and attractive marketing than they took of the main event! It caught them with their guard-down while relaxing with their morning coffee after a boring seminar and i'm fairly sure the poster by the exit didn't hurt either. I'm sure everyone has similar stories either through luck (like me) or good judgement. We need all sorts of different ways of getting out there in order to be noticed but nothing beats direct contact and the right types of relationships with the right people (imo). Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 10:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ? Hello, Le lundi 22 avril 2013 à 14:08 -0400, Jay Lozier a écrit : On 04/22/2013 01:18 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le lundi 22 avril 2013 à 18:41 +0200, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 4/22/13 6:28 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: The original intent of my message (sorry if I used the wrong mailing list) was to make a blog post to say that we as a community are aware of the end-of-life for MSO 2003 that is less than a year away, and here are some reasons why you should make the switch. Don't worry, the mailing list is OK, although this might also be interesting for marketing people. Let's elaborate the idea, because a simple blog post is probably not enough. We should target magazines and websites covering e-government issues, because IT people might be reading these media. Unfortunately, politicians - who usually take the decisions - are not reading media but are prone to MS lobby efforts. Honestly, I'd go for actual ads in newspapers; we are not going to get our points across with a brochure. But I welcome input on this. best, The problem I see is the politicians and in general most users are probably not aware of the issue. Also, MS FUD would come into play if any major plans to change were found out. I would hate to see a politician at some public meeting getting grilled over MS FUD. In the US this would be a major problem. A brochure would probably never reach the important people nor would I expect to be read if it did reach them. I do not know if an ad would work unless it is extremely well placed. My thought is to try to contact someone in high enough to provide the proper introduction to the politicians. Yes indeed. Several good points have been written here; one which has been repeated is that it is about lobbying/influence or at least creating personal contacts and conversations with the key people or circles at the right level. If there's an interest for this, we may want to have a private mailing list for information exchange on these matters; that is, a mailing list for people who are making contacts with these people and need feedback, assistance, etc. Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] II LibreOffice HackDay Brazil
Hi :) WoooHooo, all friendly faces and 1 man in a suit and looking very professional too. Kinda looks like someone that might be working in the office here. Regards from Tom :) From: Klaibson Ribeiro klaib...@gmail.com To: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 1:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] II LibreOffice HackDay Brazil Good Night. The link of banner - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:II_LibreOffice_Hackday.png Good week. On 10 April 2013 09:33, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Bom Dia Klaibson, Unfortunately this list does not support attachments: do you mind uploading it to the wiki? Thanks, Charles. Le mercredi 10 avril 2013 à 09:22 -0300, Klaibson Ribeiro a écrit : Hi. In the attach, the banner of II LibreOffice HackDay, in the Brazil. Good week. -- Klaibson Ribeiro Dicas de LibreOffice - www.libreofficeparaleigos.com -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Klaibson Ribeiro Dicas de LibreOffice - www.libreofficeparaleigos.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.2 DVDs are online - both the English NA-DVD and the German one
Hi :) Thanks Tim :) Good work chap! :) Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: LibreO - Marketing Global marketing@global.libreoffice.org; LibreO - Marketing US market...@us.libreoffice.org; LibreO - Users Global us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013, 16:13 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.2 DVDs are online - both the English NA-DVD and the German one For those of you who want them, both the English NA-DVD and the German DVD is now online on the DVD download page. http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.2 This NA-DVD 4.0.2 DVD version is the first to have the Windows autorun.inf added to it. Therefore, for the Windows users, upon inserting it into the DVD reader, a dialog will pop up to ask if you wish to run the DVD or open it for use in the file manager [i.e. My Computer]. If you choose to run the DVD, your default browser will open directly to the Install Page, for the convenience of the user. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals
Hi :) Ahah, i vaguely remember reading that note in his books. perhaps we could have something similarly short for other authors to use if they want to? CC-by-SA for when they find a better way to word it! Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 14:27 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals On 04/12/2013 01:21 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Jean, Le 11/04/13 07:07 PM, Jean Weber a écrit : Good idea. I can't think of anything to add to the list at this time. I'll consider what the description should be for a documentation-specific pamphlet (and maybe some of the others). I speak at technical writers' conferences and could use a recruiting pamphlet that takes a what's in it for me if I volunteer to help write/edit/index documentation? approach for potential volunteers; another approach, not necessarily in the same pamphlet, would be what can LO do for me as a technical writer? --Jean Thanks for the note. Re: what can LO do for me as a technical writer?. That could also be added a another type. There are some who have used their participation on the project as items to put on the Résumés or just job applications. We could also put this as another pamphlet-type on the list. Cheers, Marc I do not know if he would respond to this, but Piers Anthony [ hipiers.com ] has been using LibreOffice to write his books. The used OOo before that. He is the one thatintroduced me to OOo, since he talked about Linux and OOo in his Author's Notes. So, maybe we could have some text geared to writing both technical writing and novel and other book writing. Mr. Anthony uses a number of macros, according to his Author's Notes, and he moved to OOo/LO partly for that purpose. I will email a book editor friend and see if she has any ideas on what should be in a brochure or pamphlet for writers of books of all types. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations
Hi :) Imo we have just had a good review after a reasonable trial-period. The results are 1. That we are already doing the best we can 2. We are already doing better than most places and same as others. Only 1 place beats us but they haven't been doing it long 3. When/if technology improves we might be able to re-visit this So recommendation of the review process is to keep going as we already are ufn (=until further notice) Job done. Lets drop this and move on to the next topic! Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: webs...@global.libreoffice.org; marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 11:53 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations Hi, so, just a quick feedback: The change is an *EXTREME* success. We have seen a *MASSIVE* boost in donations, roughly about 2.000 € yesterday, and it goes on today. In numbers, it was about 100-200 donations yesterday. So, from that point of view, it is definitely a desirable outcome, and very worthwhile! However, I see the issues this has, and hope we can together improve the approach, in terms of usability. I am currently on a workshop in Berlin, but trying to follow-up soon. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations
Hi :) The Dvd is a tad different! The way you have it is perfect for the Dvd imo. This thread is about online browsers getting hooked in, or not. With Dvd they have already been snared and less likely to go wandering off at the slightest thing. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013, 20:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations On 04/09/2013 02:54 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Simon Phipps wrote on 2013-04-09 18:53: Here's a simple tip from Eclipse on how to increase donations: Ask for a donation when the download is occurring, not when a user is browsing the project site. http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/how-to-increase-donations-to-an-open-source-project/ I just started hacking a simple download script. I am really no developer, so it is really just a very very quick shot, but how about that: From the official download page, we currently redirect to download.documentfoundation.org which involves MirrorBrain. Making MirrorBrain show something while downloading does not work easily. However, how about we simply changed that link to some redirection script, that first shows the download page and then invokes the download itself? Here's how this could look like: http://kermit.documentfoundation.org/DownloadRedirect.php?target=http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/4.0.2/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.0.2_Win_x86.msi @Admins: Feel free to have a look at the PHP script. I am *really* no developer, so please don't laugh. ;-) You'll find it in /var/www/sites/kermit.documentfoundation.org/DownloadRedirect.php Thoughts? Florian Every NA-DVD .iso file [and made ones] have the official Donation Page link on the top of each of its browser-based pages. I do not know if that will help with online donations, but it could not hurt. I have made mine via the donation page. Also if any money comes to TDF from the Lulu.com books, then I have made some there as well. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations
Hi :) I think the point that is being made is that we are doing it the wrong way around. That by switching it around so that the download starts first and THEN the donate page appears seems to be generating more donations. The way we do it 1. implies that people have to donate otherwise they are not going to be allowed to download or might get a nasty surprise if they do. 2. it's a little rude in some cultures. It makes us look like profits are more important than getting people using the software 3. it's yet another blocker along the path to getting people to download and another step that might cause them to cancel the idea of trying out LibreOffice 4. If people are racing to get to the download then they might miss it completely Having the donations page AFTER the download has started means catching people just as they sit back and relax and are waiting for the download to complete. It's more polite. It implies that we care more about them using the software and that money is less of an important. Regards from Tom :) snip / First the donate page is opened, and then the download starts. snip / -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations
Hi :) I like Christian's idea. Even better if refreshing or reloading the page or pressing back-arrow or something simple like that gets back to the downloads button. There was another idea that i liked too but lost track of it. Regards from Tom :) From: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com To: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org; LibreOffice, website webs...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 12:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations Hi Flo, *, On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: I just started hacking a simple download script. I am really no developer, so it is really just a very very quick shot, but how about that: [...] Thoughts? I absolutely hate it. This might work when there would only be one single download, as since lanugagepacks and/or help are separate, leaving the dowload page just is a slap into the face of the user/me. Sure, the technical ugliness, the behind-the-scenes can be fixed, but I hate the concept as a whole. I'd rather prefer the buttons change to a donate-style button instead, as I had demonstrated earlier already (but nobody did provide artwork or similar): http://jsfiddle.net/Dv4ex/ ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Joining the community
Hi :) I think we all agree that just downloading or even just noticing LibreOffice exists effectively makes a person part of the wide LO community. In other communities, where noobs have clearly felt a bit like outsiders, i tend to include a Welcome to the team after they successfully solve some problem. First time i did it the person had solved some really horrendous nightmare that even someone like Regina might have seriously struggled with. The person was so pleased to be welcomed in that he became quite a significant contributor. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org; webs...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013, 22:31 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Increasing Donations Le 09/04/13 02:54 PM, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Simon Phipps wrote on 2013-04-09 18:53: Here's a simple tip from Eclipse on how to increase donations: Ask for a donation when the download is occurring, not when a user is browsing the project site. http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/how-to-increase-donations-to-an-open-source-project/ I just started hacking a simple download script. I am really no developer, so it is really just a very very quick shot, but how about that: From the official download page, we currently redirect to download.documentfoundation.org which involves MirrorBrain. Making MirrorBrain show something while downloading does not work easily. However, how about we simply changed that link to some redirection script, that first shows the download page and then invokes the download itself? Here's how this could look like: http://kermit.documentfoundation.org/DownloadRedirect.php?target=http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/4.0.2/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.0.2_Win_x86.msi @Admins: Feel free to have a look at the PHP script. I am *really* no developer, so please don't laugh. ;-) You'll find it in /var/www/sites/kermit.documentfoundation.org/DownloadRedirect.php Thoughts? Florian As far as script goes, I have not comment, I can play hockey better than code ... you haven't seen me play hockey, but when you do, you will know that I am no coder! As far as the plea for donation ... I always prefer also seeing a statement along the line of Any amount, of any size, will be put to great use and is very appreciated. We thank you for your continued support. Anyway, the important part is that we stress that any amount will help and we should always be benevolent, and thank people ... ahem ... in advance. These two items are a reflection of some of the ideals of our community. From a marketing point of view: IMO, as a community member, it would be neat if we could decide to tie downloading to joining our community by default. That is to say that one of the conditions of downloading our community project is that the person downloading LibreOffice has agreed that they have tacitly joined the LibreOffice community. Then we could have a Welcome to the LibreOffice community message at the download point and then offer the downloader a page with our community definition as well as a plea for financial and contributing support. We would not enforce it, but it would still be neat to view our project as more of a community project where we have by default or by result a software programme that we develop and use as a group. This would then open our community to take on more than one piece of software if we wanted, and to claim that a consensual use of the software by the community. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Certification and accreditation
Hi :) Now that banner logos and strap-lines have been created and usage agreed it makes sense for newer courses to use the community banner/logo. So i think the newer course can start using this one straight away https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Logo_resources_for_community_members_and_external_use as per the thread a couple of weeks ago http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/3rd-party-training-td4044794.html Ian's course really needs to move to start using that logo too but obviously there are existing printed materials or materials that are ready for printing where changing the logo would incurr extra costs at this late stage. I'm not sure what to do about those but my personal opinion would be to let those slip by just this once as long as we can see some effort to move to the community banner/logo. The community banner/logo is the one that does have the name LibreOffice but does NOT have the strap-line The Document Foundation under it. So it kinda looks better because the name of the program is larger so it works better at a wider range of sizes. Getting permission to include the extra strap-line should be far less easy because that logo/banner should not be used so widely and should begin to mean something more. I've used the community banner/logo at work and it's quite effective. The extra strap-line would have just confused people. Errr, i also used the apps/modules icons to add a bit of colour. I think that is how it works? Regards from Tom :) From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com snip / My proposal is simple. We support Evans in getting end-user certification going in Nairobi. We do it pro-bono until a point where he can demonstrate covering his own operating costs. If he then generates a surplus we decide how that can be used to cover our on-going support costs and contribute back to LO to support further development. TDF don't need to do anything. Official endorsement might well help Evans. If that can't be given, it is up to Evans whether he wants to try with out it. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications https://theingots.org/community/faq#7.0 Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Increasing Donations
Hi :) I really like that! :) It's much more polite plus it catches people while they are waiting. Regards from Tom :) From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013, 17:53 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Increasing Donations Here's a simple tip from Eclipse on how to increase donations: Ask for a donation when the download is occurring, not when a user is browsing the project site. http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/how-to-increase-donations-to-an-open-source-project/ S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update
Hi :) Does the English one mention the word Free perchance? Doing so would significantly reduce any clicks in my country. Avoid it and watch the click rate rise. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013, 12:06 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update Hi, this is just a quick, but interesting AdWords update: I placed the very same text in English as well as in German, with exactly the same parameters. Interestingly, the click through rate for the English version is only ~2%, while for the German one, it is ~6%. I've temporarily disabled the English version to see if this yields even more clickthroughs for the German version. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update
Hi :) Yes Actually lower quality than that. The impression people have is that it's so bad that we have to get rid of it somehow. Free apples would make people assume the apples riddled with dying maggots and worse. Hmm, even maggots might be worth selling to fishermen as bait so if the apples are free they must be really foul. So, it's better to point out the features and avoid mentioning the price. Regards from Tom :) From: Kannan Moudgalya kan...@iitb.ac.in To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 28 March 2013, 10:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update Not clear - why do the British not like free things? Do they think that those of poor quality? Kannan On 28/03/13 4:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Does the English one mention the word Free perchance? Doing so would significantly reduce any clicks in my country. Avoid it and watch the click rate rise. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013, 12:06 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] quick AdWords update Hi, this is just a quick, but interesting AdWords update: I placed the very same text in English as well as in German, with exactly the same parameters. Interestingly, the click through rate for the English version is only ~2%, while for the German one, it is ~6%. I've temporarily disabled the English version to see if this yields even more clickthroughs for the German version. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Photos DFD 2013 - Brazil - Rio de Janeiro
Hi :) A well earned rest! Always good to see a lady sleeping anyway so don't worry. Sorry there weren't more people but at least there were far more there than were here! Regards from Tom :) From: Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@libreoffice.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 28 March 2013, 16:19 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Photos DFD 2013 - Brazil - Rio de Janeiro Hi all, I'm sharing the photos of DFD 2013 Rio de Janeiro - Brazil. https://plus.google.com/photos/109302841731362777691/albums/5860416898858240513 Sorry about one of the pictures that I'm sleeping, but I was very tired. Best -- Eliane Domingos de Sousa Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil Liberte-se, para editar textos, planilhas e apresentações usehttp://pt-br.libreoffice.org/ é totalmente de graça. Experimente o sistema de perguntas e respostas da Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil:http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br/questions/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interview at SCALE 11x
Hi :) I thought you were fine. It is difficult with a single camera. I think professional camera workers make sure the camera is positioned so that the interviewee is looking directly, or rather, nearly directly at the camera so that it's easy for the interviewee to look directly into the audience's eye. The interviewer is not the main person. Also it's usually easier to do a separate continuous shot of the interviewer reading all the questions from a script and then cutpaste in brief shots at moments when the interviewee has a wobbly moment. It is quite a lot more work though. A few simpler things might have made a big difference. If the camera had been positioned lower so that people loomed over it like rock-stars rather than having such a big gap between the interviewees and the banner. The interviewer might have been better sitting or all 3 people standing to keep everyone on much the same eye-line as each other. It can work well to break that though and hindsight is wonderful for spotting issues like that. If the drape at the back had been spread out more then it might have hidden the Heath Robinson-ish bits of string and tape holding the banner up and made it look more like a professional studio.Again hindsight is great. I'm not sure i would have thought about any of those things on the day either and anyway they were all pretty much outside of your control especially given the time constraints. I really like the way you tipped your hat at OpenOffice, ie just mentioned it and moved on swiftly without getting bogged down. It is part of LibreOffice's history so it would be odd to censor out any mention of it but it is ancient history now so no point dwelling on it either. So, nicely balanced there imo :) The main things were handled well. Everyone was clear. No mad rambling or quiet muttering. Rapport was good. The place looked busy, even hectic. People buzzing and exited even though clearly tired near the end of the show. Very positive atmosphere and good interview. Congrats and regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 23/3/13, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interview at SCALE 11x To: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com, marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 23 March, 2013, 0:16 IMO I don't interview very well (especially on 1 minute's notice), but here it is. The other person is J. David Eisenberg. LibreOffice at SCALE 11x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkM7VElTpOM --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day in Brazil
Hi :) Nicely done! Looks great :) Thanks for the reminder too! Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 23/3/13, Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@libreoffice.org wrote: From: Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day in Brazil To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 23 March, 2013, 3:13 Dear all, Next wednesday it's a day to celebrate the Document Freedom Day and we'll have some LibreOffice activities. I proposed to FSFE to register a Brazilian domain and they approved. Here our Brazilian Website. http://documentfreedom.org.br Long live for freedom. Best, -- Eliane Domingos de Sousa Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil Liberte-se, para editar textos, planilhas e apresentações use http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/ é totalmente de graça. Experimente o sistema de perguntas e respostas da Comunidade LibreOffice Brasil:http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br/questions/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] 3rd party training
Hi :) A local organisation is training people in MS Office 2010 but also makes brief mention of alternatives. I've suggested they name LibreOffice as one of those alternatives. On their marketing poster which TDF or LibreOffice logo should they use? Can they also use logos for the individual apps/modules; Writer, Calc, Base and Impress? Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 3rd party training
Hi :) So from this page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding I found the link to here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Logo_resources_for_community_members_and_external_use Where can i get the different colour logos for the different apps/modules? On the poster i have been given the wrote the names of the different MS apps in the colours of the appropriate logo (not sure if they are allowed to or not but that is up to them). Would they be allowed to write Writer in the relevant blue, Calc in the relevant green and so on? Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2013, 16:07 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 3rd party training Le mardi 19 mars 2013 à 15:59 +, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) A local organisation is training people in MS Office 2010 but also makes brief mention of alternatives. I've suggested they name LibreOffice as one of those alternatives. On their marketing poster which TDF or LibreOffice logo should they use? Can they also use logos for the individual apps/modules; Writer, Calc, Base and Impress? Regards from Tom :) They should only use the LibreOffice logo without the TDF subline. As for the App icons themselves that's also possible. best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Android Remote for Impress: first official keynote
Hi :) Good luck Charles or should i say break a leg. It's a lot like theatre isn't it? Creating an atmosphere of excitement and awe? So Italo's may have been the first in Italy but yours is the first in Germany? There are a lot of firsts to claim! :) Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2013, 9:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Android Remote for Impress: first official keynote Darn! Thank you for the lock screen reminder :-) Best, Charles. Le jeudi 14 mars 2013 à 10:30 +0100, Italo Vignoli a écrit : No, I have already used the Impress Remote in Bozen on Monday, and it has worked like a charm. Remember to set the screen lock to 30 minutes, as otherwise you must unlock the screen at each slide. -- Italo Vignoli Mobile +39.348.5653829 Email italo.vign...@gmail.com On Thursday 14 March 2013 at 08:36, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Folks, Wish me luck! Today I'm keynoting an event for my current contractor, Mandriva, and I'll be running a presentation on Impress, and be using the Android remote control app for Impress during the entire presentation. I might be mistaken but it'll be the first official use of the app. Cross your fingers! Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing +h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another award :-)
Hi :) Could there be an announcement across a lot of lists, including documentation, translators and accessibility with a few of these awards mentioned? Errr, if you have already dne it then please fogive me as i'm having trouble getting through all my emails these days. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org; market...@us.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 10:47 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Another award :-) Hello, I'm proud to announce that LibreOffice has received another award during CeBIT: https://plus.google.com/116265564718884370181/posts/XVBrGbJQA43 Way to go, folks! ;-) Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice is offered to recycled-computer program for schools in Quebec, Canada
Hi :) Perhaps just point out a few of the other OpenSource programs to whoever is setting-up the machines. Keeping it under the radar can often be very effective. Once the programs are out there and being used and enjoyed then inquiring about policy decisions and management's stance is less likely to result in them pulling the plug. Sounds like some smart techie stumbled into doing something good 'by accident'. In my country he/she would probably be forced to resign due to your 'complaint' and then the organisation supplying the computers would be pushed into buying MS products for machines in the future and perhaps to replace what is already on those machines that have already been sold. Is there much chance of the people who received the machine writing in to say thanks for the software? is the company likely to ask for customer feedback? Regards from Tom :) From: Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013, 15:00 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice is offered to recycled-computer program for schools in Quebec, Canada -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, One of my friends, a teacher in an elementary school in Quebec, just got a few computers he requested for his class. He got them via OPEQ, a program that receives used/discarded computers and recycles them for reuse in schools. The OPEQ (computers for schools in Quebec) program offers to pre-install LibreOffice on their systems: http://www.opeq.qc.ca/ViewCatalog.aspx?NavID=368CultureCode=fr-CA#computers So... he got LibreOffice :) Otherwise the computers come w/o any software. I am inquiring more about the OPEQ's policies on free open sourc esoftware inclusion, but this is already a huge step, specially here in Quebec. Cheers, Fabian - -- Fabián Rodríguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlE2CHYACgkQfUcTXFrypNUa7gCfTUbtB/9AZVSyRoVzGpOECDn4 jTsAoI7+rbLfWYTchBtTEZzoOy0yfQSw =bZRY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] About.com Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software
Hi :) Just wanted an update on this so i put it together. If LibreOffice is not offered as a choice then on one day i vote for Google-docs but on another i vote for AOO and the next for NeoOffice. So, i alternate The tricky one is Blackberry because LibreOffice is given as a choice but apparently isn't available on Blackberry. Has anyone else got a system they like using? I keep forgetting to vote every day but AOO seem to have all their people voting all the time so they have recovered from their initial slow start and look like they might take the lead! Regards from Tom :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013, 16:53 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] About.com Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software Further to Italo's post, here is more information: FYI, the About.com Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software started on Feb. 19 and will end on March 19. You may vote every 24hrs. Let's make our LibreOffice suite the office suite of choice and it would be nice if we won out on all categories where we appear! To vote, you can log in with your Facebook or About.com accounts or you can enter your email address in a field on the page. Here are the details: = = The Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software categories webpage can be found here: http://office.about.com/od/ReaderResponse/tp/About-Com-Readers-Choice-Awards-2013-For-Office-Software-Nominations.htm = = [edited by Tom on 2013-03-11] As of today, March 11[edited] 2013, LibreOffice ranking in the various Office Software Suites categories is: = Favourite Office Suite for Android: Google Docs/Apps 80% -- Quickoffice Pro HD 20% = Favourite Office Software Suite or App for iOS: Google Apps 72% -- iWork 18% -- Documents Free 9% = Favourite Office Software for Mac: LibreOffice 84% -- iWork 4% -- MSO 2% -- NeoOffice 8% = Favourite Office Software for Windows: LibreOffice 58% -- MSO 3% -- AOO 38% = Favourite Office Software for BlackBerry: LibreOffice 85% -- OfficeSuitePro 14% = Favourite Office Software for Business: MSO 3% -- Google Docs/Apps 38% -- AOO 56% -- WordPerfect 1% = Favourite Academic Software Suite: MSO Home and Student 9% -- Google Apps for Education 90% = Favourite Site for Office Software Templates: LibreOffice templates 59% -- MSO templates 1% - OpenOffice templates 39% = Favourite Cloud Office Suite: LibreOffice, at present, does not have an official Cloud implementation, but is working on it. There is the portable version but that is a little different Favourite Cloud Office Suite: Google docs 80% -- MS 365 6% -- ThinkFree 6% -- NeoOffice 6% = Favourite Office Software Company or Organization Based on Social Responsibility: TheDocumentFoundation 61% -- TheApacheFoundation 35% -- Microsoft 0% = Congrats to all who are voting every 24hrs. If you are not voting yet, feel free to join in. It will make a difference to our brand and show that we are a very committed community. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré [edit: thanks to Marc for pulling the first set of results together] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies
Hi :) It's still Base and some Wizards and some Extensions. Something like 12% of the code is written in Java but it's in those areas that people rarely use. Base can mostly be used without needing Java but only if you use an external back-end rather than the in-built one. I think the Report builder still would need it but Base experts seem to be advising people to avoid that anyway. The internal back-end is HsqlDb which runs on Java even if you use the much more up-to-date version from their website as an external back-end. There are other smaller faster ones for small amounts of data. HsqlDb seems to be the best of those even though it depends on Java. Non-java ones tend to be better for large amounts of data and include Postgresql and MySql / MariaDb. These last 3 seem to be the most frequently recommended by the Base Experts. I've forwarded this to the Users List because there are quite a few Base Experts there that might be able to correct me if i'm wrong or just generally be a bit more helpful than i've been. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 13:59 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies Hello, I have a journalist's inquiry on Java dependencies in LibreOffice. Anyone can tell the exact components that do not work without Java installed in 4.0? From what I recall, Base and some wizards, but I'm not really up to date here... Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another award :-)
Hi :) Ahh, he's off for a few days otherwise he would have already given us a link to it and i would click on it and forget it's address. Thanks for reminding me! Now i can just go ahead and look it up :) Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 13:13 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Another award :-) Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2013-03-11 14:10: Could there be an announcement across a lot of lists, including documentation, translators and accessibility with a few of these awards mentioned? IMHO, there's an awards page, which Marc (?) is working on. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Something im working on
Hi :) I've lost contact with the person that did the voice over for Leif's first CMIS video. Now that you said about making it a slide-show that does sound like the best idea. With all that writing it's difficult to get the timing right as people all read at different rates. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com To: Dustin Shafer dustinsha...@unitedspectrums.net Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013, 23:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Something im working on Hi Dustin, *, On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Dustin Shafer dustinsha...@unitedspectrums.net wrote: Can I have some input for something I started on my own, Maybe once its done it can be used https://www.dropbox.com/s/j32e4lyxocjyp9o/libre1.mp4 If it is meant to be a video, make sure to add some background music or do a voiceover. otherwise a navigatable slideshow might be better (one where one click next/previous and pause) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
