Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: * las [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | That's not correct. At least not with the models before the FM90! Aiwa is | a totally separate operation from Sony. On paper, maybe. The difference between Sony and Aiwa is very much like the difference between Ford and Lincoln. | They have separate facilities and design their own stuff. If you have | ever looked at an Aiwa F80 and compared it with what ever model was out | from Sony at the same time, you can see that these units have nothing in | common. On the outside. I disagree. Shawn, you have my comments followed by Ratman's statement on the outside. While you did enlighten me about new Lincolns, I just wanted to make it clear that the statement you are disagreeing with (On the outside) is not mine. It was stated by Ratman. You and I are in total agreement about there being more than two manufactures of their own MD gear. In terms of design inside and out, my Aiwa F 80 doesn't seem to have anything in common with any of the Sony models from the same time period. The controls are different. features are totally different. Remotes are totally different. By only having a headphone/line out jack, if anything the unit is more like a Sharp than a Sony. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:55:27 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil, I assume what he was trying to say is that someone who is always confronting everyone about everything Assuming that we buy that perspective. should Why should? What makes this a should? Conventional wisdom? Equity? Leverage? tell us why he is better than any and every one of us. Assuming that we buy that perspective (TM). Not to be confrontational, but there have been a couple of instances where I know I am right, and Mr. Rat has come out with a story I had never heard of (case in point: the Dolby patent on ATRAC). So there's been some debate, and disagreement on a mailing list. No doubt some discovery and further discussion. Are mailing lists, and other forums here simply for people to say I agree.? Why should this get personal? And why should credibility, leverage or other aspects be relevant? I mean, disagreeing every once in a while is *good*, but someone who is *always* disagreeing about *everything* becomes bothersome after a short while. You don't have to discuss with him, if you don't want to - AFAIK nobody puts a gun to your's or anybody else's head. Neil ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: OT: Re: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:44:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we know nothing about the Ratman. Who's we? And why does we need, or want, to know about him? If he did not constantly and rudely disagree with just about everyone else on the list, it would not matter (for myself, So simply because of your perception, you've decided you want to know more. OK, for what end, then? I also enjoy hearing a little about what people I meet on the internet do and like to share with them-that is also an other reason. It doesn't *appear* to be the reason in this case, though, given your previous paragraph. When I say we, who is we?, was a question. Well there is myself and other people on the list that I privately e mail. Even one other person would qualify for use of the term we. So you are speaking for others, then, with their permission, and for their needs? Did they convey this curiosity to you, and request that you ask the question? Curious that in previous paragraphs you simply state that it is you, *individually* that is interested in this information. The use of we hints at clique-ish perspectives, and potential group polarisation against individuals, which I personally find repugnant. Don't you think that this list would be an even more interesting place to exchange ideas if you knew a little about each member. Can't say as I'm particularly bothered either way. It seems a bogus question, at present, given your stated rationale for this particular curiosity. As it seems it's your individual curiosity, that assumes group potential by the foisting of the we word, it has disturbing overtones for me. I have had e mails from people on the list as young as 14 with more wisdom than someone 40. Non-sequitur. I find the knowledge and maturity that some people of youth exhibit here VERY impressive. I doubt that I was as sharp as they are, but as I have mentioned before, I have been into Hi Fi (that's would we used to refer to it as) since I was about 12. Relevance? Back then most 12 year olds didn't even know what a woofer or tweeter was (but then again, I couldn't hit a base ball or catch one if it was placed in the glove :). I was different than the average kid. There was no term nerd back then, but if someone interested in electronics and science, who knows very little about sports and really couldn't care less is a nerd, then I guess I was a nerd :). No doubt commendable frankness, but in reality - does this matter? In this context? Except for my being interested in knowing about people in general, Francisco's reply was exactly my point. Then why just now? Neither of you are new to this forum. But, I personally feel too many people spend too much time on a keyboard exchanging technical information without knowing anything about the other person. If you just want technical answers and really don't care about people (to me it seems like you are kind of using them) that's fine. But I am also interested in the people behind the answers. Then why phrase your questioning as we - I mean if it's simply what you, *individually*, desire. The people giving these answers are real flesh and blood. They are not a data base. If a person does not wish to share anything about him/herself with others, that's their right. But then I also have the right to be suspect as to the accuracy of their data. Then why didn't you just be so overt, from the outset, and declare you had an agenda. Rather than hide it behind some presumed touchy-feely humanity. Neil ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V3 #46
Luis Dodero wrote: Sound is not just heard with your ears, it is felt by your whole body. I feel that you and your entire body should be enveloped in sound. You just can't do do that with headphones. Well that depends...take a look at these http://www.rumblefx.com/ -Luis Sounds like a a load of bull. A gimmick, a toy. The person who wrote the review seems to have the writing skills of a third grader. After the fake Sony reviews of several of their movies (they created a fake reviewer and made up their own reviews, which were of course 2 thumbs up plus) I'm finding it difficult to trust any reviews. How can you trust a favorable review for say a Dell product on Cnet when there is a Dell paid advertising banner at top of the page? I have a feeling that these produce very boomy bass and in terms of frequency response is far from flat. Every once and a while you find a product that is so great and reasonably priced that you can't believe they can be so good and so inexpensive. One thing that comes to mind are VCR tapes. When they first were introduced (VHS), they sold for about $15 to 25 (USD). Now you can find high quality tapes for about a dollar. The VCR is also, in my humble opinion, a real bargain. And with the prices of DVD players dropping they are becoming a steal too. The portable CD player for $20 or $30 dollars. But for $40 I don't think that these headphones are one of them. On the other side of the coin, some things seem to always be overpriced. This applies to almost everything that we use in dentistry. In terms of consumer products, I feel that cars are one of the biggest rip offs going. Those 20 to 25 grand cars are hardly worth 10 grand. Really good speakers are also, again in my opinion, terribly over priced. While, if you stay with the simple models televisions are dirt cheap and better than ever. When I was a kid a TV cost about $500 for a black and white TV. The most you could get was 12 channels. But I think that even that wasn't possible. There had to be a space between certain channels if I am not mistaken. The TVs gave off a lot of heat because of the tubes in them. The picture tubes went very often. But back then because TVs were so expensive you first put a booster on your picture tube and when that would no longer work you actually replaced the tube. They had mechanical tuners that were a constant source of breakdowns. No remotes. Poor sound etc. today for as little as $200 for a bottom of the line model you can buy a 27 TV with 100+ channel cable ready digital tuner. Of course color and remote. Probably some on screen displays. And these sets will often last 20 to 25 years without ever giving you a problem. Yet it still costs about $250 for a middle range (say the Sony 700) MD player. In my opinion that is just too high. The blanks themselves are now, to me, reasonably priced. A CDR or even CDRW might be less. But all they are is a piece of plastic with metal foil on one side. The MD is a tiny precision device. Self enclosed and automatically opening it's shutter only when necessary. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V3 #46
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:24:16 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In terms of consumer products, I feel that cars are one of the biggest rip offs going. Those 20 to 25 grand cars are hardly worth 10 grand. Worth (as opposed to value) is mostly a subjective measure, though. It would be a fair point that if such cars were overpriced, so, they'd price themselves out of the market place. Really good speakers are also, again in my opinion, terribly over priced. I suppose the same argument could be made about much audio equipment. But in fairness, look at the demographic they're appealling to - put simply, there's an audience for such price and principle. Yet it still costs about $250 for a middle range (say the Sony 700) MD player. In my opinion that is just too high. The blanks themselves are now, to me, reasonably priced. A CDR or even CDRW might be less. But all they are is a piece of plastic with metal foil on one side. The MD is a tiny precision device. Self enclosed and automatically opening it's shutter only when necessary. Agreed. But that may also be it's downfall, too. Cassette walkmans came down in price, once higher-end portable audio became available. There's at least the possibility that there isn't a comprehensive enough audience for the price of such precision that MD requires. Ultimately, solid state will supersede it, but in the short to medium term it's going to come down to whether there's enough customers (which at the moment seems to be mainly enthusiasts) to maintain development. Neil ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Which is the best dual Mini Disc / CD Player
i believe that the 900 remembers settings for several disks so that if you have different bass settings and the like it will switch em for you marc not bjoern but the guy before said the below On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 06:52:22PM -0700, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: As for the portable, from everything I have read, the Sony 900 sounds like it is great. The 700 has almost as many features (both are MDLP units) and I believe only lacks things like back lighting of one section. Most of the features are the same. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: home made mics
It depends on the venue. Some will let you record and some won't. Sometimes you can even get a feed from the sound board, but I haven't been that lucky. I have set the recorder with my homebrew T mike on the sound board. I have also just kept it in my shirt pocket. One thing though, if you aren't getting good sound where you are setting, the recorder will play it back just like it heard it. SO, when you go in find a good spot that isn't right in front of a speaker. Hah, indeed. :) I should try this out sometime just in a bar or something as a test. Hey think of THAT. Do a play-by-play examination of pickup lines, to determine what works and what doesn't. :D --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V3 #46
Really good speakers are also, again in my opinion, terribly over priced. While, if you stay with the simple models televisions are dirt Tell me about it. Given that speaker tech has been around for as long as it has, have you EVER seen any kind of drop in the average price of GOOD speakers? This is especially important in home theater markets where sometimes you'll have four mains, one center, plus a sub. The price goes up pretty damn quick when you decide to go with a good set of speakers as opposed to el cheapo ones. Don't even get me started on the 6.1 standard... argh. --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Which is the best dual Mini Disc / CD Player
i believe that the 900 remembers settings for several disks so that if you have different bass settings and the like it will switch em for you Yes, it stores your custom audio settings on a per-disc basis to memory, for 20 MD's (which is more than enough for myself). Other than the odd feature, the only things the 900 has over the other new models is the cool remote (which I love, backlit and all), and a far better design (my opinion, but that's of course subjective). It also has the little gumstick battery, but I'm not sure what models like the 700 take. ml --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* Stuart Howlette [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 | Hmm, two companies producing equipment with Firewire does not mean it is THE | standard as said in the previous e-mail, but a standard, so it is not the | wrong tense Is becoming the standard for a/v components is past tense. That is what I was commenting on. IEEE 1394 has been the standard for this sort of thing for three years. It was designed specifically for it. USB has a higher adoption rate, but it is largely useless for a/v work, and the market knows it. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: home made mics
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === not quite the same thing, but DJ Spooky, one of the premier Illbent DJ's, used to record ambiant noise from one bar then goto where he was playing and use that in his set. marc On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -, Mike Lastucka wrote: Hah, indeed. :) I should try this out sometime just in a bar or something as a test. Hey think of THAT. Do a play-by-play examination of pickup lines, to determine what works and what doesn't. :D --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Which is the best dual Mini Disc / CD Player
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === the 700's have a normal sized AA rechargable and can take standard AA's. I think of this as a bonus because theres been a few times when i hadn't recharged my MD player in weeks and the battery finally died while using it, so i just pull out a spare AA i carry around and stick it in. marc On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:02:06PM -, Mike Lastucka wrote: Other than the odd feature, the only things the 900 has over the other new models is the cool remote (which I love, backlit and all), and a far better design (my opinion, but that's of course subjective). It also has the little gumstick battery, but I'm not sure what models like the 700 take. ml --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: homemade mics
I'm going to a large five day outdoor concert festival in July. I would like to record some or most of the shows I go to. I have a Sony MZ-500. Would I just plug the mic into the Line In? And since I have an MDLP compatable recorder...what speed would you say I should record at? Most of my LP4 Stuff that I have recorded from my home componant CD player sounds great Jeffrey C. Gunderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Which is the best dual Mini Disc / CD Player
the 700's have a normal sized AA rechargable and can take standard AA's. I think of this as a bonus because theres been a few times when i hadn't recharged my MD player in weeks and the battery finally died while using it, so i just pull out a spare AA i carry around and stick it in. The 900 also comes with a screw-on AA pack, which can be used in tandem with the gumstick cell to give some unbelievable battery life. Does anyone know if the 900's battery pack can take a rechargeable cell, or does it NEED an alkaline? I'm asking because some devices behave erratically if they don't get the power they need, and rechargeable AA's are like .25V less usually. ml --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the way headphones seem to me, like the music is in my head instead of all around me. ... Perhaps you've never heard a well-recorded binaural recording played back over decent quality headphones -- if you had you wouldn't have said that. It's about as realistic a recording as you can make, and the sound comes from all around you. Send us a blank MD and we'll be happy to send you a copy of our Sampler MD so you can hear for yourself. Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces Core Soundhttp://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === las wrote: Stainless Steel Rat wrote: * las [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 | That's not correct. At least not with the models before the FM90! Aiwa is | a totally separate operation from Sony. On paper, maybe. The difference between Sony and Aiwa is very much like the difference between Ford and Lincoln. | They have separate facilities and design their own stuff. If you have | ever looked at an Aiwa F80 and compared it with what ever model was out | from Sony at the same time, you can see that these units have nothing in | common. On the outside. I disagree. Shawn, you have my comments followed by Ratman's statement on the outside. While you did enlighten me about new Lincolns, I just wanted to make it clear that the statement you are disagreeing with (On the outside) is not mine. It was stated by Ratman. Larry, Oh, I know it was Rat I was disagreeing with. There's no confusion there. IMO, he's been making a lot of unsupported blanket statements lately. BTW, it's not just the new Lincolns that are built on Ford (or modified Ford) platforms... they've been doing that since at least the mid-1970's or so. GM has been doing the same thing since about that time. At one time Cadillacs were on their own platform too, but not since the mid-70's. It's a lot cheaper that way. You and I are in total agreement about there being more than two manufactures of their own MD gear. In terms of design inside and out, my Aiwa F 80 doesn't seem to have anything in common with any of the Sony models from the same time period. The controls are different. features are totally different. Remotes are totally different. By only having a headphone/line out jack, if anything the unit is more like a Sharp than a Sony. Even test mode is different! I found an Auto Adjust feature on my Aiwa XR-H66MD and I've NEVER found any kind of automatic adjustment on any 1996-vintage Sony MD player/recorder. Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: hi
I'm new to this list. I recently got a sharp MD-SR60 and a set of Sound Preofessionals portable stereo mics. I clipped the mics to the little earphones that came with the recorder and now I walk around capturing sounds. Someimes I listen to the sounds, sometimes I manipulate them on disc, sometimes I transfer sounds to my computer and edit/manipulate/burn them, often I use the sounds in live performances. I love having this recorder. I don't know how I managed for so long without it. I have 2 questions: 1. Is there a list or group of folks trading mds of field recordings? I'd love to hear some stuff like this recorded in other locations or settings. 2. Is there any way to drag and drop tracks between minidisc -- pc? I realize that I can play tracks to and from (via miniplug, optical (from , or USB (some models), but it would be great to have a minidisc drive or a player/recorder that would function as a minidisc drive for quick transfer via usb, firewire or whatever. tommy - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V3 #47
Sounds like a a load of bull. A gimmick, a toy. The person who wrote the review seems to have the writing skills of a third grader. After the fake Sony reviews of several of their movies (they created a fake reviewer and made up their own reviews, which were of course 2 thumbs up plus) I'm finding it difficult to trust any reviews. I found this one quite helpful, these guys are pretty good. I think they're great for gaming anyway, definitely not music. Sorry guys, I hope this post doesn't show up 4 times like my last one! http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/rumblefx_review/ -Luis - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* Stuart Howlette [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 | Hmm, two companies producing equipment with Firewire does not mean it is THE | standard as said in the previous e-mail, but a standard, so it is not the | wrong tense Is becoming the standard for a/v components is past tense. Present tense, as it is something that is happening That is what I was commenting on. IEEE 1394 has been the standard for this sort of thing for three years. It was designed specifically for it. USB has a higher adoption rate, but it is largely useless for a/v work, and the market knows it. -- But two companies producing it does not mean its THE standard for a/v components does it, as there are more than two companies on the face of the planet, so the tense wasn't incorrect Stuart Howlette - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, I guess it depends upon what you consider high-end sound. Personally I don't consider sound that does not produce the physical effect to be high end. I guess it's a matter of personal taste. I really don't enjoy the feeling of the sound being in my head. That's the way headphones seem to me, like the music is in my head instead of all around me. Even these systems that use small speakers and one subwoofer don't impress me. Bose is big on this type of arrangement. They have these relatively expensive systems that use these tiny little drivers for the highs and pretty small boxes for the mid and I don't know what. Well, in a nutshell, Bose suck. I think we agree on that ;) Moving on... A lot of people would disagree with you that audio without the physical impact of deep bass is not high end. Buying audio is a compromise. Only the very best systems in the world (which cost a lot of money) can give you everything: flat response, accuracy, soundstage, precision, imaging, realism. Contrary to popular belief, *good* bass is one of the most difficult aspects to produce. Most speakers either don't have the extension, or simply aren't accurate. You can get some less expensive speakers that exaggerate the bass (and will give you physical effect) but I would rather have weak bass than bad bass. Also, bass is the most expensive part of the spectrum to produce -- it requires bigger drivers, bigger enclosures, and the most power by far. So in terms of loudspeaker-based systems, it is often the part of the spectrum that gets left behind. And many of the systems that decide to forgo any attempt at producing deep bass are without a doubt high-end. As for the inside my head sound, that's historically been a criticism of headphone systems -- and often a very valid one. However, there are two caveats: 1) a good headphone setup, that includes a *good* pair of headphones and a quality headphone amp (the amps in portables and in any receiver just don't cut it) has far less of that in-the-head sound than most people are used to; and 2) if you get an amp that has a very good crossfeed filter, you would be simply amazed at how much the sound can be outside the head. Here is a good article on the phenomenon you mentioned, and how a good dedicated headphone amp can overcome much of it: http://www.headphone.com/EditorialHeadphone/WhitePaper.asp While such technology will never be perfect, it makes headphone listening a true audiophile possibility. I think that for $550 (USD) I could find an amp or receiver and two speakers that to me personally, I would consider higher quality sound than the headphones. The price of receivers has dropped so much that I think I could find a pair of speakers for $300 and a receiver for $250 that would, for me, give me what I consider higher quality sound than a pair of headphones. If the main requirement is feeling the bass in my body, then I agree that you could. However, if your main requirement was all-around good and accurate sound, I think you're mistaken. It seems to me (and this is simply an observation, larry, not any sort of criticism) that you haven't really heard a good headphone setup before. Your initial response to a couple of us was that $300 was ridiculous for a pair of headphones. And your responses since then indicate that you don't feel headphones are a serious way of listening to music. I think if you ever had a chance to listen to a good source through a set of Sennheiser HD-600s and a Headroom amp, you might change your mind... Receivers that would have cost $500 a few years ago are turning up at places like Sam's Club (only the newer receivers not only include Dolby Digital, but DTS) for about $250.00. Is my $900 Onkyo DTS receiver really going to offer me higher quality sound than the $250 unit? Or is it just that it has a lot more surround options and inputs. OK, the THX certification is suppose to insure me of certain standards. But would I really be able to tell the difference between it and the cheaper receiver if I was only using it in the stereo mode with the same speakers on both systems? I'm an audio-only person, so I don't buy equipment with all the A/V bells and whistles. If I'm going to compare a $250 amp with a $995 amp, it's going to be comparing two 2-channel amps and how much different they sound listening to music. BTW, the THX standard has nothing to do with 2-channel audio. It's based on theater audio standards. So a THX-certified A/V amp may actually be a horrible amp for listening to normal 2-channel audio. Now if you let me go just a little higher so that I have a little more to spend on speakers and can buy the Polks that I like, I know it would blow away your headphones :) You can have the Polks ;) Those Polks can't hold a candle to the HD-600s except that they give you the physical bass impact that headphones can't. While you're feeling your Polks, I'll be listening to parts of music you'll never
MD: resume play on portables
Most of the time when I resume play on my portable player, it's right where I left off listening when I turned it off. But occasionally it starts playing again at the very beginning of the disc. Does anyone know how this works, and why it occasionally doesn't? I've only used Sony portables, in case other brands are different. Thanks, Ken - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: hi
I'm new to this list. I recently got a sharp MD-SR60 and a set of Sound Preofessionals portable stereo mics. I clipped the mics to the little earphones that came with the recorder and now I walk around capturing sounds. Someimes I listen to the sounds, sometimes I manipulate them on disc, sometimes I transfer sounds to my computer and edit/manipulate/burn them, often I use the sounds in live performances. I love having this recorder. I don't know how I managed for so long without it. I have 2 questions: 1. Is there a list or group of folks trading mds of field recordings? I'd love to hear some stuff like this recorded in other locations or settings. 2. Is there any way to drag and drop tracks between minidisc -- pc? I realize that I can play tracks to and from (via miniplug, optical (from , or USB (some models), but it would be great to have a minidisc drive or a player/recorder that would function as a minidisc drive for quick transfer via usb, firewire or whatever. No offense, but there certainly needs to be a good MiniDisc FAQ created, as we get this question every two weeks Is there a minidisc drive I can put audio on or How do I record MP3's to MiniDisc. Right, now, I'll do a little explanation here, on question 2 only (not enough knowledge about question 1 to be quite honest). Technically there is a PC MiniDisc drive, but it is frightfully slow, SCSI interface I think, but it will not record on anything but Data discs, which cannot be played in generic MD players. There is technically, however, a FireWire device for copying to MiniDisc, 4x, the Sony Lissa, but it costs quite a bit and it is more akin to a separate rather than an actual drive. Stuart Howlette - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
Dan Frakes wrote: As for the inside my head sound, that's historically been a criticism of headphone systems -- and often a very valid one. However, there are two caveats: 1) a good headphone setup, that includes a *good* pair of headphones and a quality headphone amp (the amps in portables and in any receiver just don't cut it) has far less of that in-the-head sound than most people are used to; and 2) if you get an amp that has a very good crossfeed filter, you would be simply amazed at how much the sound can be outside the head. Dan, If you are listening to your headphones using a good stereo system or the line out of a portable, that may very well be so. The problem is that when it comes to portables, many of them force you to use the headphone amp in them. They do not have a separate line out (I think Sharp was one of the pioneers of this approach). While they may be intelligent enough to sense whether it is being plugged into a pair of headphones or a line in of some other device and match the impedance, you are still going through their headphone amp. If you adjust the bass, you will hear the change even if you have the portable plugged into a $10,000 audio system. Once the signal is passed through the crappy internal headphone amp of a portable unit, the damage has been done. Plugging that signal into the best separate headphone amp isn't going to remove the distortion that the crappy one has created. I guess it should also be a warning to anyone who likes to listen to their music through headphones. IF you want the best possible sound, first you have to get yourself a top notch pair of headphones. That goes without saying. But second, you should invest in a good separate headphone amp and not use the headphone out that is built into your amp or receiver. Use the line out as you would for any other component. I'll bet that even on a a decent grade receive in in the $900 range, if they have a headphone jack, the amp is an after thought. If a good headphone amp sells for several hundred dollars by itself, I doubt you are going to find one, in a $900 receiver. Probably not even in a $2000.00 unit. I'm sure that professional recording studios use separate headphone amps. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: resume play on portables
Ken, if you have the portable set to resume it should start just where you left off. The is one exception that I can think of. One the units I've owned, if the power supply is interrupted the unit will start from the beginning. Some units allow you to disconnect an external power supply and if you have a charged battery in the unit, they will still keep the resume setting. On some disconnecting or connecting the external power supply with interrupt it. Larry Ken Clinger wrote: Most of the time when I resume play on my portable player, it's right where I left off listening when I turned it off. But occasionally it starts playing again at the very beginning of the disc. Does anyone know how this works, and why it occasionally doesn't? I've only used Sony portables, in case other brands are different. Thanks, Ken - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: recording at festival with MZ-R500
* Thus spake Jeffrey C Gunderman [2001-06-15]: I'm going to a large five day outdoor concert festival in July. I would like to record some or most of the shows I go to. I have a Sony MZ-500. Would I just plug the mic into the Line In? And since I have an MDLP compatable recorder...what speed would you say I should record at? Most of my LP4 Stuff that I have recorded from my home componant CD player sounds great That's one of the reasons I bought a 700, it has a microphone input! One can even use the supplied earphones as mics... I don't know if an average mic without an extra mic amp can supply the usual line-in with enough power (I'm pretty sure that's not the right term, what is it?). Recording stuff at LP4 is fine IMHO, especially at live events etc. Just try it out! Get some recording ability and record youself singing in the marvelous acoustics of your room (or of you garden) with normal speed, LP2 and LP4. I guess the compression is not the limiting factor there. Have fun at the festival! Christoph - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* Stuart Howlette [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | But two companies producing it does not mean its THE standard for a/v | components does it, as there are more than two companies on the face of the | planet, so the tense wasn't incorrect (And people are complaining about me being disagreeable :). Truth is, there is only one spec for this sort of thing: IEEE 1394. So yes, it is the (only) standard for high speed a/v data interconnect. Call it Firewire, call it iLink, call it IEEE 1394, it is the standard and has been that for 3+ years. What is happening now is growing acceptance and adoption of that standard in the consumer a/v sector. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ which, if exposed due to rupture, should PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ not be touched, inhaled, or looked at. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
| But two companies producing it does not mean its THE standard for a/v | components does it, as there are more than two companies on the face of the | planet, so the tense wasn't incorrect (And people are complaining about me being disagreeable :). Truth is, there is only one spec for this sort of thing: IEEE 1394. So yes, it is the (only) standard for high speed a/v data interconnect. Call it Firewire, call it iLink, call it IEEE 1394, it is the standard and has been that for 3+ years. What is happening now is growing acceptance and adoption of that standard in the consumer a/v sector. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ which, if exposed due to rupture, should PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ not be touched, inhaled, or looked at. The original mail said this A firewire solution would be better off since it is becoming the standard for a/v components that offer pc connectivity. Not a mention of high speed, so wouldn't that mean S/PDIF, AES/EBU, TTL, the MD Deck PC IR controllers, the MDS-PCx controllers, even Line Out is PC connectivity, which works with most a/v equipment, so FireWire is not THE standard, its A standard Stuart Howlette - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
That's the weirdest thing about Etymotics. The sound is so incredibly accurate, yet your body has no feeling whatsoever of it. Whenever I am concentrated in listening to them, I can actually feel my inner ear move, something that I cannot do voluntarily, and that I had never felt. I guess my brain is *very* confused when I listen to Etys. I can only assume my full size Sennheisers can transmit quite a bit of vibration, because I've never felt anything like that with them. As to which I prefer... well, the HD-580s + X-Can V2 are quite a combination. But the Etys are simply sublime. I am so happy I don't have to prefer either one of them =) Francisco. - Original Message - From: las [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: MD: Earphones Len Moskowitz wrote: Perhaps you've never heard a well-recorded binaural recording played back over decent quality headphones -- if you had you wouldn't have said that. It's about as realistic a recording as you can make, and the sound comes from all around you. Len, how are you doing? I'm the dentist for PA that has e mailed you in the past. Depending upon the venue and the type of music, there may be a certain amount of the sound that is felt with your entire body as well as - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V3 #46
Neil wrote: I suppose the same argument could be made about much audio equipment. But in fairness, look at the demographic they're appealling to - put simply, there's an audience for such price and principle. But other audio components HAVE dropped in price. You can buy an A/V receiver with 100 watts per channel, Dolby Digital and DTS (we are talking about 5 discrete channels here X100) for under $300.00. While you can argue that it is limited in features and doesn't have the specs of costlier units, it would still be good enough to be considered Hi Fi by the professional reviewers of say Stereo Review. You can purchase a decent CD player for $100 or less. I have seen portables for as low as $20 after a rebate and while the construction may be poor, the sound would still probably be acceptable for a CD player. For $129 you can now buy a DVD player with will also play MP3s recorded on CDR or CD/RWs. I've seen off brand DVD players for about $100. As someone else stated here, the technology of speakers have been around for ages. It's not like you hear about a company coming out with a speaker system that is as superior to other systems as a DVD is to a VHS tape. Are there digital speakers? I have been told that there are digital mikes although I have never seen one. So one can't use the excuse that speakers have to be analog because, except of electronic music, sound is usually analog (that is if these digital mikes do exist). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: No place for Feely Touchy people on this list
Neil seems bothered that I posted a feely touchy reply. I get the feeling that he was annoyed by the fact that I am a feely touchy person. His post implied that there was no place for that here because this is a technical e mail list. But even though this is not a music appreciation list, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that 95% of what we are using Mini Discs for is music. In general a lot of music is feely touchy. The majority. It usually deals with love. Even in classical instrumental music we often say that really moved me. I have seen instrumental music that has made people cry because it is so sad and beautiful. I guess that Neil is not a feely touchy kind of guy and probably has little patience for such people. But he has to take it from the source. Let me explain. Suppose that Neil needed some extensive and major dental treatment. He found a dentist that was supposed to be technically excellent. But that is all Neil knew about him. Now it turns out that this dentist is not a feely touchy guy. You might think that wouldn't matter to Neil. But now Neil is in the dental chair. The dentist tells Neil to open wide and quickly jams a mouth prop into Neil's mouth. Now he places restraints on Neil's wrists so that he can't jump out of the chair. He then proceeds to begin treating Neil without any anesthesia. Neil is in excruciating pain. He makes some noises but really can't scream out because he has the mouth prop forcing his mouth open. The dentist tells Neil to SHUT UP!!! What are you a baby? He then proceeds with his work while Neil is in such pain that he doesn't know if he can take any more without passing out. To make matters worse, each time the dentist does something that really hurts, and Neil's moans, the dentist starts laughing uncontrollably. Keeps telling Neil to SHUT UP and be a MAN! At that point I'm will to guess that Neil wished he was in the hands of a Feely Touchy dentist like me :). LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Stainless Steel Rat wrote: * Shawn Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | Even test mode is different! I found an Auto Adjust feature on my | Aiwa XR-H66MD and I've NEVER found any kind of automatic adjustment on | any 1996-vintage Sony MD player/recorder. You make it sound like it is impossible for Sony to disable things like that. And they would disable it because... Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
And they would disable it because... Shawn Why, because Aiwa *is* rebadged Sony gear, of course! ;) Francisco I am beggining to enjoy this Huerta. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording Speeds
Oh bugger, I've been replying without actually taking attention to the subject, goddamnit, I was thinking this was about PC connectivity, shit, sorry about that, especially Stainless Steel Rat. Damnit, why the hell does everyone i do go to crap? -- Stuart Howlette There are many questions in life, but is the right answer only correct because the majority believe in it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minidisc.sphosting.com http://minidisc.sphosting.com/personal/ -- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD record speeds
Yes, MDs are hard to write. An MD-deck that records at 4X speed is really writing 4:1 compressed data at 1X speed. Sony has been refining the compression algorithm for around a decade now, and DSP hardware has gotten cheap enough and fast enough to handle it at far beyond realtime speed. Compression is not the issue. Remember how the LIMDOW write mechanism works: a laser has to heat a spot up above its Curie temperature, then the magnetic head polarizes the spot, and then the spot cools, freezing the magnetic bit in place. The drives have gotten faster, but I don't think you can dramatically speed up this heat/write/cool process. Since the read process is purely optical, MD drives can read as fast as the fastest CD-R drives. Writing is still another story. But note that the MD-Data2/MD-View format can write at around 1MB/second, vs MD 150KB/second. So obviously Sony has figured out a way to improve the write process as well. -- Howard Chu Chief Architect, Symas Corp. Director, Highland Sun http://www.symas.com http://highlandsun.com/hyc - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
* Shawn Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | You make it sound like it is impossible for Sony to disable things like | that. | And they would disable it because... So that consumers don't muck around inside their gear and break things and return otherwise perfectly good units and cut into their profits. So that consumers don't find something they shouldn't, like the secret menu in the APEX A-600 DVD deck. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Which is the best dual Mini Disc / CD Player
the 700's have a normal sized AA rechargable and can take standard AA's. I think of this as a bonus i just pull out a spare AA i carry around and stick it in. I'll agree heartily to this: I work at a grocery store, and one of my jobs is 'Scan Coordinator,' which entails working midnight to 8:00AM one day a week to change prices and price tags. (It also entails getting the blame for anything that doesn't scan correctly during the rest of the week.) I listen to my R700 for the whole shift; it sure beats the Muzak. But the point is that there are loose AA's rolling around, all over the store, because the order-writing scanners use three AA's, so when someone replaces the batteries they grab a four-pack and the leftover gets tossed in a drawer to be forgotten. So not only do I get to listen to MDs on the clock, I'm using their batteries too. :] If I had a gumpack-battery portable I'd have to worry about the charge level. On a side note, the R500 uses a standard AA also (and has the 'battery bulge' on the back), but it doesn't include a rechargable or an AC adapter for charging one like the 700 does. 2 [) [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ http://rsquared.firest0rm.org/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: headphones amps
Larry said: I guess it should also be a warning to anyone who likes to listen to their music through headphones. IF you want the best possible sound, first you have to get yourself a top notch pair of headphones. That goes without saying. But second, you should invest in a good separate headphone amp and not use the headphone out that is built into your amp or receiver. Use the line out as you would for any other component. Thanks for the great tip there. I am a relative newbie to this list, and haven't introduced myself, so I will now, before asking questions. My name is Rick, I have been interested in live recordings and general audio stuff + computers as long as I can remember. I currently own a Sharp MDS-R60 portable MD, and a Pioneer MJ-D707 deck unit (wish it had coax output..). I listen to most of my music on headphones using either my portable cd player or my MD units. That said, I am interested in what Larry brought up about headphone amps. I currently have a cheapo pair of Koss over-the-ear plugs that I rarely use, kind of a backup in case I need them for travelling or portability. My main set of headphones is a $20 Sony headphones (the ones with big cups on the sides, old school style g), not sure of the model # but I know it has 30mm drivers in it and sounds decent. Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a great pair of headphones that are between $70-$150, and a good headphone amp. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to something like this because it sounds like with what I am using I am not getting the best sound quality I can get. (using the headphone amp and my cheap sony headphones). -Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* Stuart Howlette [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | Not a mention of high speed, Ahem. The context of this discussion is, paraphrased, moving music from computers to MD equipment faster than S/PDIF. S/PDIF doesn't do that (obviously :). AES/EBU doesn't do that. TTL doesn't do that (maybe it could, but that would be very ugly). IR controllers don't do that. PCx controllers don't do that. Line out doesn't do that. The -- singular -- standard for this is IEEE 1394. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the signal is passed through the crappy internal headphone amp of a portable unit, the damage has been done. Plugging that signal into the best separate headphone amp isn't going to remove the distortion that the crappy one has created. Well, to some extent that's true. That's why people who are serious about headphones buy units that have a dedicated line-out. As for the Sharp jacks that are impedance-sensing, while they may not sound as good as a dedicated line out, they are much better than a simple headphone jack. You can still use those jacks to hook your portable up to a good headphone amp, and you will still hear a significant difference. IF you want the best possible sound, first you have to get yourself a top notch pair of headphones. That goes without saying. But second, you should invest in a good separate headphone amp and not use the headphone out that is built into your amp or receiver. Use the line out as you would for any other component. Exactly. I'll bet that even on a a decent grade receive in in the $900 range, if they have a headphone jack, the amp is an after thought. If a good headphone amp sells for several hundred dollars by itself, I doubt you are going to find one, in a $900 receiver. Probably not even in a $2000.00 unit. In fact, there is not a single component amp/receiver I have heard of that actually has a high-quality headphone amp built-in. Some are definitely better than others, but you're 100% correct, Larry -- most headphone jacks are simply an afterthought, use cheap components, and do not provide enough power to drive a good set of cans. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones amps
Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a great pair of headphones that are between $70-$150, and a good headphone amp. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to something like this because it sounds like with what I am using I am not getting the best sound quality I can get. (using the headphone amp and my cheap sony headphones). Rick, for $150 USD you can get an extremely good set of headphones that won't need a headphone amp: the Grado SR-125. They are very efficient, open aire headphones, that will sound very, very good out of a component output. In fact, I'd rather listen to them through my Yamaha receiver than through my X-CansV2 headphone amp! If you would like a truly thrilling experience, though, try to get a set of HD-580s for $199 with a surround processor (Audio Advisor might stock them). e-Bay the surround processor for, say, $40 USD. Try to get your hands on an X-CanV2 (the Creek OBH-11 is an excellent amp, but from people who own both, the HD-580 likes a lot more power... like the 1 watt RMS the X-Can is capable of producing) for $229 (again, try AudioAdvisor or www.headphone.com). In case you can't get an X-Can, an Antique Audio MG-Head might do the trick (it's the same price at www.headphone.com). For close to $400 USD, you will be in sonic heaven. Francisco. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
Oh fuck, I've been replying without actually taking attention to the subject, goddamnit, I was thinking this was about PC connectivity, shit, sorry about that, especially Stainless Steel Rat. Damnit, why the hell does everyone i do go to crap? Stuart Howlette - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Earphones
* Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | As for the Sharp jacks that are impedance-sensing, while they may not sound | as good as a dedicated line out, they are much better than a simple | headphone jack. You can still use those jacks to hook your portable up to a | good headphone amp, and you will still hear a significant difference. What I do. Even if the headphones don't need an amp they sound better with one. Bass is more solid and highs are crisper. #1 reason I don't regularly carry either my R90 or R900 instead of my Sharp 722 is because they don't remember that they're on line out and it cannot be set from the remotes. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Shawn Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | Even test mode is different! I found an Auto Adjust feature on my | Aiwa XR-H66MD and I've NEVER found any kind of automatic adjustment on | any 1996-vintage Sony MD player/recorder. You make it sound like it is impossible for Sony to disable things like that. Conjecture upon conjecture! Mr. Rat, please stop! You lost this pointless argument when I indicated that Panasonic makes their own MD components (they've been making their own ATRAC chips for 5 years [see http://www.minidisc.org/atrac_4.html], and 2 years back they were touting their newly developed super-thin, single-beam, Minidisc optical head [see http://www.minidisc.org/part_Panasonic_SJ-MR100.html]). I say pointless because this is, by extension, an argument over a previous (and equally baseless) conjecture of yours, to wit: Then sometime after ATRAC v4.5 they collaborated with Dolby Laboratories to make improvements for mutual benefit. The results are Dolby Digital has some of ATRAC in it and current versions of Sony ATRAC have some AC3 in them. which itself should have ended with a simple Got a reference for that? and you saying either No, I made it up, or Yes, please see: http://...; I find myself arguing with you [mostly] because your style irritates me, but also [naively] because I hope that in proving you wrong, you will come to your senses and stop posting your personal beliefs as writ-in-stone fact to MD-L. Likewise, perhaps you feel that unless you win these arguments, the validity of your beliefs will be called into question (could be painful, admittedly). This is the issue at hand, not how many MD manufacturers there are, or whether Dolby and Sony collaborated on ATRAC and AC3. The funny thing is, many of your postings really *are* informed and helpful, and I hope you keep posting contributions in areas where people are confused and you *Really Do Know The Straight Scoop*. But may I gently suggest that if you aren't completely sure of what you're saying, you use AFAIK, or IIRC, or My understanding is Or simply pose your statement as a question (e.g. Isn't it the case that all MD gear ultimately comes from Sony or Sharp factories?). Likewise, if someone shows you to be wrong, graciously and politely say Oops, Sorry! It's simple, it's friendly, and you will not be a lesser person for doing this, honest! Peace. Rick (who has finally dusted off his own ego) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Rebadged MD gear (was: Dolby and Minidisc Patents)
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: * Shawn Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | You make it sound like it is impossible for Sony to disable things like | that. | And they would disable it because... So that consumers don't muck around inside their gear and break things and return otherwise perfectly good units and cut into their profits. That makes absolutely no sense. Automatic adjustment is far more harmless than full manual adjustment. Obviously manual adjustment requires the service technician to know what he's doing, otherwise he very well could break things like you say. With automatic adjustment the machine autocalibrates itself, the service technician doesn't need to know anything but the proper keystrokes to invoke auto adjust. How does the lack of automatic adjustment prevent cutting into profits? What makes you think the presence of an auto adjust feature is more likely to cause a consumer to much around and break something? I don't see the logic in it. So that consumers don't find something they shouldn't, like the secret menu in the APEX A-600 DVD deck. Yeah, and we've all had such a hard time finding the manual service mode on Sony equipment. Getting into Sony test mode and Aiwa test mode takes pretty much the same procedure, just different buttons. Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Ugh!! Move on already!! (and a question...)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Can't we all just get along?? -- Rodney King Fellas, I am an avid reader of this discussion list because I am a relative newbie to MiniDiscs and I appreciate the immense wealth of information and knowledge that all the members (including you both) contribute to this forum. Can you guys discuss your issues offline?? Thanks!! Okay, on to my question... I am looking to build an S/PDIF signal extender for my PC soundcard to MiniDisc deck (optical signal degrades if fiber optic cables are longer than 10 meters). I need to get the Toshiba TOTX176 TORX176 transmitter/receiver pair but I am having a heck of a time finding a supplier that is willing to sell maybe 2 or 3 pairs. All the dealers I have emailed have a minimum purchasing requirement of 500+ or more units. Anyone know of any vendors that are willing to sell in small volumes? Bondster!! on 6/15/01 5:37 PM, las at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil seems bothered that I posted a feely touchy reply. I get the feeling that he was annoyed by the fact that I am a feely touchy person. His post implied that there was no place for that here because this is a technical e mail list. But even though this is not a music appreciation list, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that 95% of what we are using Mini Discs for is music. In general a lot of music is feely touchy. The majority. It usually deals with love. Even in classical instrumental music we often say that really moved me. I have seen instrumental music that has made people cry because it is so sad and beautiful. I guess that Neil is not a feely touchy kind of guy and probably has little patience for such people. But he has to take it from the source. Let me explain. Suppose that Neil needed some extensive and major dental treatment. He found a dentist that was supposed to be technically excellent. But that is all Neil knew about him. Now it turns out that this dentist is not a feely touchy guy. You might think that wouldn't matter to Neil. But now Neil is in the dental chair. The dentist tells Neil to open wide and quickly jams a mouth prop into Neil's mouth. Now he places restraints on Neil's wrists so that he can't jump out of the chair. He then proceeds to begin treating Neil without any anesthesia. Neil is in excruciating pain. He makes some noises but really can't scream out because he has the mouth prop forcing his mouth open. The dentist tells Neil to SHUT UP!!! What are you a baby? He then proceeds with his work while Neil is in such pain that he doesn't know if he can take any more without passing out. To make matters worse, each time the dentist does something that really hurts, and Neil's moans, the dentist starts laughing uncontrollably. Keeps telling Neil to SHUT UP and be a MAN! At that point I'm will to guess that Neil wished he was in the hands of a Feely Touchy dentist like me :). LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
