Re: MD: Re: Recording speeds
Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Stuart Howlette [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 | Not a mention of high speed, Ahem. The context of this discussion is, paraphrased, moving music from computers to MD equipment faster than S/PDIF. S/PDIF doesn't do that (obviously :). AES/EBU doesn't do that. TTL doesn't do that (maybe it could, but that would be very ugly). IR controllers don't do that. PCx controllers don't do that. Line out doesn't do that. The -- singular -- standard for this is IEEE 1394. I'm missing something, why can't USB do that? In the realm of PC to Solid State MP3 player connectivity at least, USB is certainly the standard. Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Two ideas on MD PC related products
Why doesn't sony seem to be considering to make a MD Drive for the home PC ? Don't you think that would be nice ? For both recording and playing purposes... I think this may be told a thousand times but i'm not thinking the storage issue, it's just about music.. I've got my CD-RW for storage and that works pretty fine =) The other issue (product, service whatever you call it) is a one related to the above one. If we have some technology called ATRAC3, why can't we store our music in ATRAC3 files on our computers just like MP3's and sharetrade the songs in MiniDisc format ? So then we can maybe even able to upload them through our MiniDisc recorders or MD Drives... ??? I think that would be nice to have a ATRAC3 player (WinAtr haha) and some (.ac3) or (.atr) files on my HDD See ya, thanx Please reply with your own ideas =) __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Two ideas on MD PC related products
Why doesn't sony seem to be considering to make a MD Drive for the home PC ? Don't you think that would be nice ? For both recording and playing purposes... I think this may be told a thousand times but i'm not thinking the storage issue, it's just about music.. I've got my CD-RW for storage and that works pretty fine =) You can already get them, but they record at 1x speed and are not a data transport device, just a music transport device (e.g. you cannot read the ATRAC / ATRAC3 files digitially off of the minidisc, you can only read off the audio data. The reason for this product decision has historically been copyright paranoia, e.g. SDMI) The other issue (product, service whatever you call it) is a one related to the above one. If we have some technology called ATRAC3, why can't we store our music in ATRAC3 files on our computers just like MP3's and sharetrade the songs in MiniDisc format ? So then we can maybe even able to upload them through our MiniDisc recorders or MD Drives... ??? I think that would be nice to have a ATRAC3 player (WinAtr haha) and some (.ac3) or (.atr) files on my HDD You can already get ATRAC3 files. I've seen compressors that compress to ATRAC3 format instead of MP3 or MP3pro, for example. And likewise players. I think you can even play these files back using plugins for WinAmp. The one thing you cannot do is upload the digital ATRAC3 data to your minidisc. If you want to record the files onto your minidisc, you NEED to play the atrac files using your favourite player and hook the output of your soundcard (preferably opticial digital out if you have it) into your minidisc, or if you have an internal minidisc recorder in your pc, set it to record the output of the soundcard... Sony used to have an internal PC **data** deck. It was one of their really early MD products. Total pity you can't get it any more (maybe try Ebay but I doubt anyone that has one would consider parting with it for any amount of money! ) :) Dave - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
I'm trying to add track marks to a recording on my MZ-R900, and would like to know how to do it accurately. Currently I press pause when it gets to the right spot, then tarck-mark. Is there a better way? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Recording speeds
Did anyone actually receive my apology or did it just dissapear off the face of the earth? -- Stuart Howlette There are many questions in life, but is the right answer only correct because the majority believe in it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/ http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/personal/ -- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
Probably not, but you don't say how you originally recorded the material. If it's a copy of a CD, with a compatible CD player with opticial digital out, you can set the player to Sync and it will put the track marks in exactly the right places using the track information in the SPDIF signal. Cool huh? Otherwise, for example if it's a live recording which you later want to split into tracks, you'll have to go with the pause-then-track-mark method. - Original Message - I'm trying to add track marks to a recording on my MZ-R900, and would like to know how to do it accurately. Currently I press pause when it gets to the right spot, then tarck-mark. Is there a better way? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Recording speeds
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Eric Woudenberg, Minidisc.org Editor wrote: [...] The -- singular -- standard for this is IEEE 1394. I'm missing something, why can't USB do that? In the realm of PC to Solid State MP3 player connectivity at least, USB is certainly the standard. USB is really slow. I'm too tired to quite figure out what 4x recording speed would require, but I could imagine that it'd be more than USB can give. - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do(); - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
Probably not, but you don't say how you originally recorded the material. If it's a copy of a CD, with a compatible CD player with opticial digital out, you can set the player to Sync and it will put the track marks in exactly the right places using the track information in the SPDIF signal. Duh, I meant set the MZR900 to Sync record. You set the CD player to 'play' :) Dave - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Recording speeds
it probably can, but Firewire has all of the stuff in place. but then again so do USB CD-R's its probably a bit different going to solid state MP3 players since all your doing is dumping a file, here you would need to turn the mp3 audio into a viable digital source(like the PCLink or Xitel stuff does through sound card type api's) then the digital source goes into the MD player which converts it to ATRAC and writes it to disc. marc On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 05:51:01AM -0400, Eric Woudenberg, Minidisc.org Editor wrote: The -- singular -- standard for this is IEEE 1394. I'm missing something, why can't USB do that? In the realm of PC to Solid State MP3 player connectivity at least, USB is certainly the standard. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Two ideas on MD PC related products
Why doesn't sony seem to be considering to make a MD Drive for the home PC ? Don't you think that would be nice ? For both recording and playing purposes... I think this may be told a thousand times but i'm not thinking the storage issue, it's just about music.. I've got my CD-RW for storage and that works pretty fine =) Demand, of course, would play a big part in not having one out already. MD is still a niche market, in my opinion. There's also the issue with MD data drives not being able to play MD audio. --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
I'm trying to add track marks to a recording on my MZ-R900, and would like to know how to do it accurately. Currently I press pause when it gets to the right spot, then tarck-mark. Is there a better way? Beyond setting automatic marking (every five minutes, or at any 2 sec pause), you're doing them the best way that *I* know how. --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I'm trying to add track marks to a recording on my MZ-R900, and would like to know how to do it accurately. Currently I press pause when it gets to the right spot, then tarck-mark. Is there a better way? Beyond setting automatic marking (every five minutes, or at any 2 sec pause), you're doing them the best way that *I* know how. Are you guys saying that the R900 (which seems to be top of the line right now) doesn't have a simple track mark button? Good god. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* Stuart Howlette [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 | Did anyone actually receive my apology or did it just dissapear off the face | of the earth? I saw it. Twice, actually. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
Currently I press pause when it gets to the right spot, then tarck-mark. Is there a better way? Are you guys saying that the R900 (which seems to be top of the line right now) doesn't have a simple track mark button? Good god. No... read it again. He presses pause, then presses the track-mark button. So we can presume the R900 has one of these. Dave - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* Marc Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 | it probably can, but Firewire has all of the stuff in place. but then | again so do USB CD-R's USB CD-R/W is a SCSI hack. That is, the driver and drive pretent to be SCSI devices. USB was never intended to be used for this sort of thing. It is a low speed bus, like Apple's ADB, intended for keyboards, mice, tablets, sticks, possibly modems, printers, and other low-bandwidth devices. Using it for fast devices like disks and scanners and network adaptors was not intended but is allowed for. 4x-6x is the absolute maximum that USB CD-R/W can maintain, and that is if the writer is the only thing on the bus. Even a mouse on the same bus can drop that to 1x-2x, assuming it can keep up at all. IEEE 1394 was designed from the ground up to be a cheap, fast bus for high speed data transfer, primarilly disk I/O, with the intention for multimedia applications like digital audio and video recorders. USB 1.1's absolute maximum throughput of 11Mbps vs IEEE 1394's current 400Mbps. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
Are you guys saying that the R900 (which seems to be top of the line right now) doesn't have a simple track mark button? Good god. No... read it again. He presses pause, then presses the track-mark button. So we can presume the R900 has one of these. Wasn't the point that the R900 would be expected to be capable of completing a track-mark operation by only pressing ONE button (whatever it may be called)? Pause + Track-Mark = 2 buttons. Without ever having used an R900 or R90 I would certainly expect that if you wanted to insert a track mark you would just use one button. Is the pause function to allow for a rehearsal (like the home MD decks) when you're inserting marks in an existing recording or something? Richard Lang Senior Solicitor Duncan Cotterill Christchurch, New Zealand email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (++64)-3-379-2430 fax: (++64)-3-379-7097 http://www.duncancotterill.com ___PLEASE NOTE: ___ This communication contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege or subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy the contents of this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail, facsimile or collect telephone call to +64 3 379 2430 and destroy the original. We virus scan all e-mails and electronic media but are not responsible for any virus or alternation. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:10:00PM -0400, Stainless Steel Rat wrote: * Marc Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 | it probably can, but Firewire has all of the stuff in place. but then | again so do USB CD-R's USB CD-R/W is a SCSI hack. That is, the driver and drive pretent to be SCSI devices. USB was never intended to be used for this sort of thing. so are IDE CD-r/w's haven't stopped them from taking over the market. I didn't say it was a good think i'm just saying you might be able to do it. IEEE 1394 was designed from the ground up to be a cheap, fast bus for high speed data transfer, primarilly disk I/O, with the intention for multimedia applications like digital audio and video recorders. like i said, firewire has all of the stuff in place to do stuff like that. USB 1.1's absolute maximum throughput of 11Mbps vs IEEE 1394's current 400Mbps. thank you i know, i program USB communications for a living (among other protocols)(no firewire) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony doesn't seem to have a portable MP3 player
Before this post I did a little research to see if I could find a Sony MP3 player similar to a Rio. From my research, I have found that Sony doesn't seem to make an actual MP3 player. They make a music clip that requires you to convert MP3 files to ATRAC3. I actually went back to the community page to see what they were talking about when they said ATRAC3. I don't feel so bad because it was listed in the FAQ. If you are highly knowledgeable about all forms of ATRAC skip this section: - ATRAC3, as most of you probably know (but I'm sure there are some people on the list new to MD-and even though I have been involved with MD for a long time, I really didn't read about the nomenclature when MDLP came out) is the form of ATRAC used in MDLP. Again, most you know that it is incompatible with previous ATRAC schemes (that much I knew). But all MDLP units have the ability to play ATRAC1 and ATRAC1 version R making it backwards compatible. Before I gone on to talk about Sony's clip, I thought that an explanation of ATRAC types might be of use to people on the list new to MD. What we call ATRAC 1 (notice the space between the C and the 1) is really ATRAC1 version 1.0 ATRAC 2 is ATRAC1 version 2.0 and so on. Then there is ATRAC1 Version R (which it seems to me could have been called ATRAC1 version 6). I find this interesting. There was an ATRAC2 which was never used in any product! - Anyway Sony's MP3 player isn't really an MP3 player at all! It's an ATRAC3 player. In order to download MP3 files from your computer to the Clip, you must first use Sony software and convert them from MP3 to ATRAC3. My whole point when I first started looking to see if Sony made an MP3 player, was based on a theory of mine that Sony does not encourage MP3 since it is now in the record business. Remember this is the same company that went to court to fight for the individual's right to make home recordings. I think that somewhere along the line the music industry is going to have to come to the realization that the internet has changed the rules and some kind of provisions are going to have to be make for the legal downloading of copyrighted material. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
Marc Britten wrote: IEEE 1394 was designed from the ground up to be a cheap, fast bus for high speed data transfer, primarilly disk I/O, with the intention for multimedia applications like digital audio and video recorders. USB and firewire were established around the same time. It took a long time for USB to catch on. I find it over rated. I hooked my printer up to USB, rather than using the parallel port thinking I was going to see an increase in performance. To me it seems like it takes even longer before the printer starts printing using USB than it did with the parallel port. My question is this, does firewire have to be limited to video and audio devices? Please don't reply if you don't really know but only think you know. Thanks, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: More on the Sony Clip and ATRAC3vs MP3
The follow is a quote from a review of the Sony Clip: The player holds 60 MB of music at a time, which translates to about 60 minutes at 128 kbps of MP3 music or 80 minutes of ATRAC3 music at 105 kbps Assuming that the difference between 128 and 105 does not produce a detectable difference in the quality of the sound, it seems that ATRAC3 or MDLP is actually a more efficient way of storing music files. All you have to do is have an MD recorder that will, in addition to standard PCM, accept ATRAC3 like the stick does and Sony could be in the selling music over the internet business while once again promoting the MD (don't hold your breath, as I mention below). I know that for data a standard 74 minute MD holds about 110 MB. This is considerably more than the 64 MB of solid state memory that comes with the Clip. The memory on the clip is not upgradable. Sony could use a device that uses their new Stick memory. but the unit would have to be bigger than the Clip. But Sony licenses many companies to make blank MDs. As long as they do not do this with the stick, they seem to be making a lot more money per unit selling sticks than they do MDs (so why would Sony even want to encourage MD?) One last question for anyone who knows about memory. Aren't the Stick, Flash Card and Smart Media all using basically the same memory with a different size plastic cases and pin configurations? If my above statement is correct and at most there are only minor changes to the configuration of the actually memory chip, it would seem to me that Sony could not be granted a patent for the chip itself only a copyright for the plastic case. From my background in Pharmacy I know that in order to try and continue to hold on to as much of the market share of a drug as possible, many drug companies copyright a unique design for the capsule or tablet. While a patent only last 17 years, a copyright is very long. If you are used to getting medication that looks a certain way (unfortunately senior citizens are a large target for this) psychologically many people feel that a pill that looks different will not be as effective. In addition drug companies often release their own generic versions of their drug shortly before the patent runs out. This offers them several advantages. It establishes a buying pattern among wholesalers so that they buy the generic from the original manufacture. Second, since the drug company holds the copyright of the design, their generic can look exactly the same as the original (except that if the brand name tablet contains the name on it, they leave it off-otherwise they have not created a generic, but only started to sell their brand name at a cheaper price. Drugs are often like blank mini discs. Sony's ES blanks are no better than their standard blanks. Any variation is more in the batch than the type of blank. Many times the generic drug is actually made by the same company as the original or a different but just as large (if not larger) and just as respected (if not more) company than the original. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
* las [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 | My question is this, does firewire have to be limited to video and audio | devices? No. IEEE 1394 (remember, Firewire is an Apple trademark for one implementation of IEEE 1394) is a low cost, high speed replacement for SCSI in the small market (home and small business). Anything that can be done over SCSI can hypothetically be done over IEEE 1394, as well as some other clever hacks like TCP/IP over IEEE 1394 (which actually isn't a new idea, as DEC has been doing that sort of thing for years). Its utility in the A/V arena is that it is cheap and fast. Cheap is obvious. Fast is that it is more than fast enough to do realtime audio and video transmission at full bandwidth for editing and such. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony MZ-R700DPC
I dropped by Target today and picked up the 700, as someone on this list had earlier promised it would be there. They had the 500 advertised at $149 and the 700 at $199. It rang up for $249, but the display said $199, so I challenged them to look at it and they corrected it. What was even cooler is that you can get a Target card and take an additional 10% off of your purchase. So if you want to buy one (or more) and get one of their cards, the cost comes out to $180 plus tax. I must say that I am very impressed with the quality of the unit, and surprised with how much the salesman knew about the unit. He was able to explain to me the difference between the 700 and 500 (which I already knew), and seemed genuinely excited about the products. Maybe it was a fluke, but I think he could convince a questioning customer to choose MD over MP3. The only thing I didn't like about it was that they only had the green one in stock (and my kids argued over whether it's green or yellow). One more cute thing: My two year old heard me talking about it to my wife, and she saw it and said, I like your mickeydix player, Daddy. So there you go, score one for youth appeal. Now I just need some Hello Kitty md's for her to see. Anyway, I have just a couple of questions about the unit for those of you who have one. 1. It comes with the Sony Ni-Cad battery. I have been using NiMh AA cells in my other Sony equipment (R-30 and EP-11), but not charging them within the units. I'm curious if it would be okay to charge an NiMh within the 700. My charger puts out 1.5V at 50-80 Ma, and is rated OK for Ni-cad or NiMh. I don't want to take a risk, but I'd rather use the NiMh cells and save the Sony one in case I resell this later. 2. The book specifically says do not use other Sony remotes from other MD units. Specifically, p. 20 says, To prevent recorder malfunction, do not use a remote control that was supplied with another Sony portable MD model. I have a lipstick remote (MZ-R35) from the EP-11 that has LCD readout which I would like to use. However, I'm not interested in causing a recorder malfunction. I'm not encouraging anyone on the list to damage their unit, but I thought some of you may have tried this by now. Thanks for your help. David Fincher - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Record Level Control for Minidisc from Sound Professionals
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MD: Record Level Control for Minidisc from Sound Professionals
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === recorders, camcorders and other recorders that can't adjust recording = levels on=20 the fly (while recording). BR- Utilizes high quality Alps slider=20 controls./FONT/DIV DIVFONT size=3D2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT size=3D2Peter/FONT/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2/FONTnbsp;/DIV/BODY/HTML - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recording speeds
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === i'm just replying to the USB bit. the main advantage i believe USB to have over older connection models is supplied power, no more ugly wall warts for the Printer/scanner/etc On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 07:22:11PM -0400, las wrote: Marc Britten wrote: USB and firewire were established around the same time. It took a long time for USB to catch on. I find it over rated. I hooked my printer up to USB, rather than using the parallel port thinking I was going to see an increase in performance. To me it seems like it takes even longer before the printer starts printing using USB than it did with the parallel port. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: More on the Sony Clip and ATRAC3vs MP3
the answer to your question is yes. a quote from an article from www.asiaweek.com(with an interesting looking mp3 player on it) http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/technology/2000/0428/cover3.html The secret of the success of the floppy (and the CD and video cassette as well) was universality. But the market for flash memory cards is fragmented between several competing formats. Sony's purple, chewing gum-sized Memory Stick is perhaps the best known to consumers, but Panasonic and Toshiba are trying to rally the industry around their competing SD (Secure Digital) card. Other formats include the wafer-thin SmartMedia cards used in MP3 players and Olympus and FujiFilm's digital cameras, and the thicker, matchbook-sized CompactFlash cards favored by Kodak, Nikon and Canon. All four are mutually incompatible, so it's no good trying to jam the card from your Nikon camera into Sony's Cyberframe. On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 08:03:04PM -0400, las wrote: the configuration of the actually memory chip, it would seem to me that Sony could not be granted a patent for the chip itself only a copyright for the plastic case. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony MZ-R700DPC
David Fincher wrote: I have a lipstick remote (MZ-R35) from the EP-11 that has LCD readout which I would like to use. However, I'm not interested in causing a recorder malfunction. I'm not encouraging anyone on the list to damage their unit, but I thought some of you may have tried this by now. I tried the remote from a friend's MZ-R50 with my R700. It controlled the unit fine (play, pause, skip, etc.), but the LCD display was completely inactive. I was surprised; the MZ-G750 has its LCD-and-radio remote, and I had expected that the R700 and G750 were basically interchangable except for the remote and the AM/FM scribed on the G750's case. 2 [) [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ http://rsquared.firest0rm.org/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: md-l-mimedigest V3 #50
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RE: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
I'm trying to add track marks to a recording on my MZ-R900, and would like to know how to do it accurately. Currently I press pause when it gets to the right spot, then tarck-mark. Is there a better way? Beyond setting automatic marking (every five minutes, or at any 2 sec pause), you're doing them the best way that *I* know how. Are you guys saying that the R900 (which seems to be top of the line right now) doesn't have a simple track mark button? Good god. Read his first post. :) In other words, yes, there is a track mark button. Why the hell would you think they wouldn't have a track mark button? *takes away your crack pipe*. --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Marking tracks on MZ-R900
Wasn't the point that the R900 would be expected to be capable of completing a track-mark operation by only pressing ONE button (whatever it may be called)? Pause + Track-Mark = 2 buttons. Actually you can do either; press it once to create your track mark, or hit pause and hit the track mark for peace of mind that you're making the mark RIGHT where you want it to be. --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: md-l-digest V3 #50
re: USB and power: USB only supplies 5V @ 500mA max per device. Fine for keyboards and mice, but nowhere near enough to run a printer or scanner, so forget that issue. Firewire also has dedicated power lines, but there's no practical use for them either. Sony dropped those two lines on their i.Link because they knew that most devices will need to be self-powered in order to be useful. Someone quoted USB max throughput 11Mbps vs Firewire 400Mbps. That should be 12 for USB; you might as well compare rated spec to rated spec even if actual observed throughput is less in both cases. Both USB and Firewire talk to storage devices (discs, etc.) using serially encapsulated SCSI commands. Aside from speed limitations, the USB design is inferior to Firewire because it is all master-slave oriented; it requires a host CPU to initiate all transactions on the bus. (Moreover, it is an Intel-originated spec, and everything they produce is designed purely to make you buy more Intel CPUs...) You can only get the full rated USB speed if your CPU is idle enough to poll all the attached USB devices on a consistent schedule. Essentially, your host computer must operate in realtime. In practice, the primary Intel OSes (i.e., Windows!) are completely incapable of realtime operation. Using USB to transfer realtime audio or video on a Windows PC inevitably results in dropouts and glitches. On the other hand, Firewire is a peer-to-peer design, and peripherals don't have to wait for some master to poll them before they're allowed to send or receive data. As such, Firewire systems tend to run perfectly glitch-free no matter what any attached PCs are doing. Even with USB 2.0's 480Mbps bus bandwidth, 400Mbps Firewire will still deliver superior performance. re: MD-Data drives vs MD-Audio: MD-Data drives can play audio discs, no problem. They have always been able to do so, whoever told you otherwise was wrong. They just can't read the discs in raw digital form and give you the data as a file. (yet...) re: data transfer rates... 44.1khz 16bit stereo requires 1.44Mbps bandwidth, well within the capability of USB. Yet today's applications seldom get a clean transfer because of USB's dependence on the host CPU which I mentioned above. In a Linux system you may be able to overcome some of the timing problems, but overall it's better to reserve USB for keyboards, mice, and other low-intensity uses and use Firewire when performance and latency really count. Raw capacity of a standard 74-minute MD is about 150MB. It's not the most convenient thing in the world, but you can of course convert your music to ATRAC3 format and store it on MD-Data discs. You need to keep a computer handy for playback... -- Howard Chu Chief Architect, Symas Corp. Director, Highland Sun http://www.symas.com http://highlandsun.com/hyc - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MD and Cassette Walkmans.
When was the last time someone on this m-list purchased a Cassette walkman ? Are they still very popular ? They are still on the shelves but I don't know anyone who has bought one in the last 3 years. Perhaps parents still buy them for their kids? shrug I bought one in 1990 (the smallest Panasonic available at the time ... cost $400 AUD) .. it lasted 3 years and after 5-6 trips to the repair agent they declared the motor was cactus and not available as a spare part. Bummer The next thing I bought was a MZR-3 .. cost $1200 AUD One trip to the repair agent in year 2000 ($150), and it still works. Never looked at a tape walkman again. L8R GC -Original Message- From: Neil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] But that may also be it's downfall, too. Cassette walkmans came down in price, once higher-end portable audio became available. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Recording speeds
Marc Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it probably can, but Firewire has all of the stuff in place. but then again so do USB CD-R's its probably a bit different going to solid state MP3 players since all your doing is dumping a file, here you would need to turn the mp3 audio into a viable digital source(like the PCLink or Xitel stuff does through sound card type api's) then the digital source goes into the MD player which converts it to ATRAC and writes it to disc. Sorry, I was assuming (as with the Sony MDS-LSA1), that it was to be ATRAC data flowing over the link. In this case, existing USB drivers and components that transport 44.1khz 16bit PCM data would do equally well transporting ATRAC1 at up to 4.8x realtime and ATRAC3 at up to ~20x realtime -- probably limited by MD drive write speed in any case. (This means that a 5 minute LP4 song download could be done in some 15 seconds!). So -- I like firewire too, but how does it do as a keyboard and mouse interface? Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MiniDisc Weekly News for 17 June 2001
MiniDisc Community Pages News for 11 June 2001 o Xitel provides info on their [1]MD-Port DG2 and Mike Paulus finds [2]Macintosh user reports of experiences with the device under MacOS X. [1] http://www.xitel.com/products_dg2.htm [2] http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/audio/xitel_dg2_usb_digital.html o Tim Yocum completes a [3]review of the Aiwa AM-HX55 MD portable MD player. [3] http://www.yocum.org/minidisc/hx-55 MiniDisc Community Pages News for 12 June 2001 o Michael Lane spots an interesting [1] USA Today article on Minidisc's comeback. [1] http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/2001-06-11-minidisc.htm o Robert Mindenhall sends in an MD footnote: The Toronto Star mentions Minidisc in its annual Achievement Awards ``Best audio recording technology: MiniDisc, due to its editing capabilities and portability.'' (See the [2]entire article [2MB PDF]). [2] http://www.minidisc.org/torontostar.pdf o John Rolt finds the handsomely styled [3]Sanyo MDC 3300 boombox, available from Dixon's (UK) for 180. The unit has a builtin microphone and appears to be the same as the [4]Sanyo PH-MD9 sold in Japan. [3] http://194.125.145.43/uk/product.asp?id=359 [4] http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sanyo_PH-MD9.html o Luis Dodero notes several [5]Minidisc product reviews at Ciao.com [5] http://www.uk.ciao.com/ciao.php?Pid=1,2,23,533 o The MD Portal (Singapore) gets a new domain name and server: [6]MDPortal.net. [6] http://www.mdportal.net MiniDisc Community Pages News for 13 June 2001 o Superfi (UK) hosts a ton of high-res MD gear photos: Denon [1]DMD-M1000 [2]DMD-6.5 [3]DMD-F100 [4]DMD-M30, Sony [5]MDS-JA333ES [6]MDS-JA555ES [7]MDS-JB940QS [8]MDS-JE330 [9]MZ-E300 [10]MZ-E500 [11]MZ-E900 [12]MZ-G750 [13]MZ-R500 [14]MZ-R700 [15]MZ-R900, and Yamaha [16]MDX596 [1] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=305 [2] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=514 [3] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=515 [4] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=592 [5] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=720 [6] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=721 [7] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=370 [8] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=438 [9] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=557 [10] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=558 [11] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=499 [12] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=556 [13] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=500 [14] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=456 [15] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=427 [16] http://www.superfi.co.uk/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=723 MiniDisc Community Pages News for 14 June 2001 o Stand Back! Mike Paulus finds Archos' updated [1]Jukebox HD-MP3 Recorder Player with S/PDIF and line in, real-time 160kbps MP3 encoding, USB I/O for drag and drop track handling, and 6GB capacity (there's a [2]20 gig version in the works). The 350gram, US$350 unit will play 10 hours on a full charge and is slated for June 21 shipment. [1] http://www.archos.com/products/product_500201.html [2] http://www.archos.com/products/product_550005.html o Gustavo Gallina points us toward the [3]Alpine MDM-7741 in-dash MD receiver. [3] http://ecominet2.alpine-usa.com:/pls/admn/item_info1a?p_item_name=MDM-7741p_category=10p_subcategory=40p_main=10p_more=y MiniDisc Community Pages News for 15 June 2001 o Panasonic Party T-Station finds a small photo and brief info on [1]Panasonic's SR-MJ220 MDLP recorder. Panasonic's [2]Japanese MD page sports photos and info for their non-MDLP [3]MDX50 and [4]MDX70 boomboxes (both Japanese FM band only), the latter (an AM/FM/CD/MD/Cassette unit), running on AC as well as D-cells (battery life: 4hr (MD playback), 3.5hr (CD-MD recording), 5.5hr (Radio-MD recording)(?)) [1] http://www.hat-in.com/japanese/j-syo-sj-mr220.htm [2] http://www.panasonic.co.jp/avc/audio/web/index.html [3] http://www.panasonic.co.jp/avc/audio/web/pick_up/mdx50/mdx50.html [4] http://www.panasonic.co.jp/avc/audio/web/pick_up/mdx70/mdx70.html MiniDisc Community Pages News for 16 June 2001 o George Styles releases [1]RIP MDS-PC3 (v0.2b), a free alternative to Sony's M-Crew software that offers improved MP3 file handling. [1] http://www.ripnet.co.uk/pagetemplate.php?pagecontent=freeware.phpprogdir=ripmdspc3 o James Brooks points out Kenwood USA's [2]KMD-D400 in-dash 3MD changer; it can be coupled with any Kenwood head unit that has changer control. [2] http://www.kenwoodusa.com/product/product.jsp?productType=35productId=438 MiniDisc Community Pages
Re: MD: Sony doesn't seem to have a portable MP3 player
Before this post I did a little research to see if I could find a Sony MP3 player similar to a Rio. From my research, I have found that Sony doesn't seem to make an actual MP3 player. This is true, to the extent that they don't make an MP3 walkman-style device. However, they do make an MP3 player. The Sony CDX-MP450X is a car AM/FM/CD/MP3 player. It plays MP3 files that are burned onto a CD-R or CD-RW, along with audio CDs and the radio. Unlike the music clip, it requires no special software apart from a CD burning program and something to make/get MP3s with. My whole point when I first started looking to see if Sony made an MP3 player, was based on a theory of mine that Sony does not encourage MP3 since it is now in the record business. Remember this is the same company that went to court to fight for the individual's right to make home recordings. I'm not sure how the existance of this car deck affects your theory. Since they have the technology and the willingness to build a _mobile_ MP3 player, I have to wonder why they aren't building a _portable_ MP3 player. -- Dave Kimmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 5615049 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and Cassette Walkmans.
Churchill, Guy wrote: When was the last time someone on this m-list purchased a Cassette walkman ? Are they still very popular ? More popular than I'd like. I notice many minisystems and boomboxes still have that archaic medium. They are still on the shelves but I don't know anyone who has bought one in the last 3 years. Perhaps parents still buy them for their kids? shrug Me neither. [snip] Never looked at a tape walkman again. I haven't looked at anything that plays cassettes again. I have loaned out, sold, donated, and given away all my cassette equipment. MD HAS replaced cassette in all my audio systems. I don't have cassette in my car, I don't have it in my house, I don't have it at all. :) However, I can play MD (and CD) everywhere I go. However, what I feel is much more archaic than cassette is VHS. I absolutely can't stand VHS' size, bulk, and inconvenience. Not to mention the physical complexity which leads to reliability problems (I think most people have experienced a VCR chewing up a tape at least once). After using DVD, it makes one wonder how VHS survived so long. I wish DVD were a recordable+rewriteable media from the beginning though, like MD is. I don't know what DVD-R or DVD-RW is going to be like since I can't afford it, but I feel as though it could end up being a hack like CD-R/RW is. Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and Cassette Walkmans.
Shawn Lin wrote: However, what I feel is much more archaic than cassette is VHS. I absolutely can't stand VHS' size, bulk, and inconvenience. Not to mention the physical complexity which leads to reliability problems (I think most people have experienced a VCR chewing up a tape at least once). After using DVD, it makes one wonder how VHS survived so long. I wish DVD were a recordable+rewriteable media from the beginning though, like MD is. I don't know what DVD-R or DVD-RW is going to be like since I can't afford it, but I feel as though it could end up being a hack like CD-R/RW is. Shawn Shawn, Until someone comes out with a reasonably priced DVD recorder, that will allow you to make DVDs of your favorite TV shows, etc. and sell the blanks for just a few dollars, we still need VHS. This TiVo and Ultimate TV are a joke because you fill up the space and that's the end of it. So if you really think about it, we still need VHS far more than we need cassettes. Also, unlike VHS recorders, DVD players do not have RF outputs. You'd be surprised how many people there are who still have TV sets that do not have video and audio inputs. I was in a Wal Mart one day and spoke to a woman who had just gotten a DVD player. Except she had no way to use it with her RF in only TV. She was told that she was going to have to buy an expensive converter. She had left by the time that it occurred to me that all she needed was to plug her DVD player into her video recorder. When she pressed play on the DVD player with the recorder set to line in, the output would go through the VCRs RF output. Shawn you have to realize that you are light years ahead of the average person when it comes to this kind of stuff. Once they started making TVs that could often last over 20 years and at the same time keep talking about digital TV signals being forced on us, people don't what to replace their old TV that is still working OK. A few years ago I went to visit my father in law. He was all concerned about digital TVs being forced on him. He was worried that his TVs would either be no good or he would have to buy expensive converters. This was a man who was about 80 years old at the time. Well, sadly we lost my father in law last December, but we still don't have digital TV signals forced on us. They have been talking about HDTV in the US for about 20 years. A TV from 1950 with a cable converter attached could play every channel your cable company provides (alas, it would be a black and white picture). It takes America 30 years to agree on a standard, so once America gets a standard that catches on, unlike the Japanese, they are slow to change. You still see as many if not more models of cassette car units than CDs. And even a mini unit like Sharp's MD-C2 which has a 3 CD and 3 MD changer still has a cassette deck in it. The money would have been better spent putting in a more powerful amp or a little better quality speakers. But you are starting to see less and less phono inputs on these units (there is none on the MD-C2). Interestingly higher end receivers ($600 to $900 and up) still have phono inputs. I guess their thinking is that so called audiophiles are going to purchase these units and may still have an expensive turntable and their vinyl collection?? Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Re: Recording speeds
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Eric Woudenberg, Minidisc.org Editor wrote: Marc Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it probably can, but Firewire has all of the stuff in place. but then again so do USB CD-R's its probably a bit different going to solid state MP3 players since all your doing is dumping a file, here you would need to turn the mp3 audio into a viable digital source(like the PCLink or Xitel stuff does through sound card type api's) then the digital source goes into the MD player which converts it to ATRAC and writes it to disc. Sorry, I was assuming (as with the Sony MDS-LSA1), that it was to be ATRAC data flowing over the link. In this case, existing USB drivers and components that transport 44.1khz 16bit PCM data would do equally well transporting ATRAC1 at up to 4.8x realtime and ATRAC3 at up to ~20x realtime -- probably limited by MD drive write speed in any case. (This means that a 5 minute LP4 song download could be done in some 15 seconds!). Just what is the audio signal that the USB port puts out? Or is it hardware dependent? I had a digital Xitel that I returned because it could not constantly stream. But it seemed to me that if it did work any audio that I played on my computer, regardless of the format would be converted to optical PCM. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD and Cassette Walkmans.
-Original Message- From: las [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I was in a Wal Mart one day and spoke to a woman who had just gotten a DVD player. Except she had no way to use it with her RF in only TV. She was told that she was going to have to buy an expensive converter. She had left by the time that it occurred to me that all she needed was to plug her DVD player into her video recorder. When she pressed play on the DVD player with the recorder set to line in, the output would go through the VCRs RF output. Except I believe Macrovision should kick in and mess the picture up (light and dark fades). Or is this only present on composite video inputs? L8R GC - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and Cassette Walkmans.
las wrote: Shawn Lin wrote: However, what I feel is much more archaic than cassette is VHS. I absolutely can't stand VHS' size, bulk, and inconvenience. Not to mention the physical complexity which leads to reliability problems (I think most people have experienced a VCR chewing up a tape at least once). After using DVD, it makes one wonder how VHS survived so long. I wish DVD were a recordable+rewriteable media from the beginning though, like MD is. I don't know what DVD-R or DVD-RW is going to be like since I can't afford it, but I feel as though it could end up being a hack like CD-R/RW is. Shawn Shawn, Until someone comes out with a reasonably priced DVD recorder, that will allow you to make DVDs of your favorite TV shows, etc. and sell the blanks for just a few dollars, we still need VHS. This TiVo and Ultimate TV are a joke because you fill up the space and that's the end of it. So if you really think about it, we still need VHS far more than we need cassettes. Also, unlike VHS recorders, DVD players do not have RF outputs. You'd be surprised how many people there are who still have TV sets that do not have video and audio inputs. Oh yeah, I definitely know this. I was more wishing aloud that DVD was originally a rewriteable media from the very beginning. I'll bet if that were the case, we'd have inexpensive DVD recorders by now. I'm pretty sure once they got a tuner into a DVD recorder, they'd throw in the RF output. Right now I still have to use VHS to record TV shows and such, but the format is just so inconvenient, I can't help but wonder why DVD-Video wasn't rewriteable in the very beginning. It would have completely replaced the VCR. I was in a Wal Mart one day and spoke to a woman who had just gotten a DVD player. Except she had no way to use it with her RF in only TV. She was told that she was going to have to buy an expensive converter. She had left by the time that it occurred to me that all she needed was to plug her DVD player into her video recorder. When she pressed play on the DVD player with the recorder set to line in, the output would go through the VCRs RF output. This won't work with most VCR's due to Macrovision. This is analog copy protection that hides in the blanking signal, most TV's are immune to it. However, it causes a constant light/dark transition of the picture, geometry distortion, and color distortion through most VCR's. Basically, it makes the movie unwatchable. Macrovision was designed to prevent copying of commercial videos (VHS and DVD) to an analog VCR. Since Macrovision is generated by the Video DAC in the DVD player, there are hacks out there for many DVD players. In fact, that's why Apex DVD players are so popular... they're built around a computer DVD-ROM drive so they're relatively easy to hack. Shawn you have to realize that you are light years ahead of the average person when it comes to this kind of stuff. Once they started making TVs that could often last over 20 years and at the same time keep talking about digital TV signals being forced on us, people don't what to replace their old TV that is still working OK. Heheh, don't be so sure, I'm using antique TV's! My Sony KV-25XBR is about 18-years old, although it looks a lot younger than it is, and my 27 Sony is an old silver one with fake woodgrain sides from the 80's, probably 15-years old. I've also got an old 19 Sony probably 20 years old or so, back before OSD's (this one's got an LED readout). They'll have to do until I can afford to replace them all with Vega's. I would certainly LOVE to be light years ahead of the average person though. I feel the same way about these new flat panel displays I've been seeing. I wouldn't mind one bit if CRT's were totally replaced by inexpensive flat panel displays in the future. I can't wait till flat panel screens are affordable and then I can replace all my bulky CRT's. The bulk and weight of a CRT TV or monitor is something I'm definitely not going to miss. A few years ago I went to visit my father in law. He was all concerned about digital TVs being forced on him. He was worried that his TVs would either be no good or he would have to buy expensive converters. This was a man who was about 80 years old at the time. My only concern would be, how the heck am I gonna get rid of my old TV? It weighs 150 lbs and I can't exactly sell it on Ebay. Maybe by then I'll get lucky and my TV's will be worth something on the Antiques Road Show. A TV from 1950 with a cable converter attached could play every channel your cable company provides (alas, it would be a black and white picture). It takes America 30 years to agree on a standard, so once America gets a standard that catches on, unlike the Japanese, they are slow to change. Yes, that's true. Crazy to think one of those old 1950's TVs with the huge wooden cabinet, rattan speaker grille, and small, virtually
