Re: [MBZ] looks like steel but actually aluminum W123 spare wheels

[John Berryman]

On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Zach wrote:

Anyone else have any of these?  does anyone know what years/models  
they

are found on?



	They are wheels for the spare tire. I'm guessing they used aluminum  
for the weight savings.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness

[John Berryman]

On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:

What the hell happened?  Kaleb says it's just the car's way of  
telling me to

check the oil.

--
Sunil Hari


	The low oil light can be somewhat sensitive. Checking oil is good  
advice when the light comes on.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Grease Fittings

[Chuck Landenberger]

HI all..

On my recent trip to pick up the 500E, I was picked up at the San  
Jose Airport by friends, Richard and Laura Simonds, in their 1956  
Adenauer 300c with 78,000 miles...  He even put on his chauffeur  
cap...  Wonderful old car.  Felt very pampered.   Richard mentioned  
that every 100 miles a light on the dash comes on and he presses a  
"lever" that " services" about 11 (or maybe more) front end grease  
fittings..


Not the way it is now

Chuck
Headed back to Phoenix in the 500E tomorrow.

On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:



On 14-Jun-06, at 2:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:

The first 7 Mercedes I owned had about 30 grease fittings
(including one
on the driveshaft) that required attention every 3kmi! In 1968
Mercedes


I read somewhere this led to the decline of garages, less maintenance,
and urged on ubran sprawl since one could drive lots more at a
cheaper cost thus making extensive driving less of a hassle.

My Dads' 57 caddy shop manual is chocked full of things to do every
1-3k...
Of course in the 50's a tire rotation was according to the bill
folder in the cabinet 50 cents a wheel so I wonder if it was cheaper
today or not...


John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 178k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)



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Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item#4649412487

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:
>  
> This seller claims that a gasser MB six cylinder gets 40mpg.  Do these
> kinds of sellers think we're all idiots?

If he set a high reserve price, he hopes one of us is an idiot. 
If the price is set by auction, he hopes there are two idiots in the world. 

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] [Bulk] Re: 300D oddness

[Marshall Booth]

Bill Gallagher wrote:
As you turn sharply, the oil is being forced outward, thus causing the 
light to come on as it should I think you should check the oil level 
which should be near the max level 


The oil level light should NOT illuminate until the level has remained 
below the set point for 60 seconds!


The optimal oil level according to Mercedes is midway between the ADD 
and MAX marks. If the level is raised above the midway point, oil 
consumption almost always increases. Oil should NOT be added until the 
level reaches the ADD mark, only enough oil to bring the level to the 
mid point should be added (that's usually about 1 qt) and Mercedes 
condemns the practice of frequently topping up the oil and has asked 
Dealers to instruct customers accordingly!!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness

[Marshall Booth]

Sunil Hari wrote:

I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the
highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on.  I immediately parked and
turned the car off and waited a few minutes.  As I turned it off, I saw that
the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there was
oil in the crankcase.  After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back
on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should.  It
didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles).

What the hell happened?  Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to
check the oil.



About 99% of the time when the oil level light reports low oil, the oil 
level is FINE. There at least two DIFFERENT flaws. Check the archives 
for reports on them.


Remember, the oil level light is USELESS to report a sudden loss of oil 
because of the 60 second delay before the light illuminates (in 60 
seconds, you can loose more than one bearing)! You must depend on the 
oil pressure gauge for that. The oil level light's purpose is ONLY to 
warn you that the oil level is approaching the ADD mark and the next 
time you stop the car, you should consider adding a qt of oil


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[John Berryman]

On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:

I assume you have steel wheels with hubcaps (never brought to the  
US) on

your 190D? I have a set with Blizzaks on them for my wagon.

Marshall


This assumption didn't do what assumptions usually do to you and me!!

	The car is a grey market car which I bought from the original owner.  
I like the hubcaps, cloth interior, wind-up windows and the manual  
HVAC even though I need to charge it with R-12. It was never converted.
	I removed the ugly and nearly useless USDOT headlights and put in a  
set of Euro lights w/vacuum pods, fully functional with the original  
dash mounted "wheel".



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Trampas wrote:

> Oil cooler hoses
> Heater hoses
> Front main seal
> Rear main seal
> Front transmission seal (and pump seal)
> Rear transmission seal
> Check Transmission modulator valve 
> Transmission dip stick tube O ring
> New glow plugs
> Water pump
> Alternator brushes
> Transmission shift linkage bushings
> Valve cover gasket and valve adjustment
> Vacuum pump kit
> Injector overflow hoses
> Check/Consider new fuel pump
> Check injection pump timing (hard to get to that back bolt in car)
> Change gasket between oil filter housing and block (these are known to
> leak)
> 
> Clean and paint engine compartment. 
> 
> Note some of these can be replaced with engine in car, but if you do
> it now you will not have to worry about it. 

Good list!

Remember, though, I said I was lazy!! To do all that I'd have to be
ambitious. So I'll skip the ones that won't be too much harder to do
later. Like alternator brushes, glow plugs, valve adj. and gasket,
injector return lines, etc.

But there are a couple things on your list that I hadn't thought of.
Thanks!

--Philip, thinking it's starting to sound like work...

Re: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that OK wrote:

> A few more - check the chain stretch, repalce along with the rails if
> needed- Chain tensoiner and it's gasket

Those aren't especially hard to do with the engine in, are they? I've
only messed with them on a OM616.

> The aluminum crush washers sealing the block drains - these are usualy
> well corroded

Hmmm. Good idea.

> Hard and soft vacuum lines.

How many of those are are hard to reach with the engine in? Seems to me
that most are pretty accessable..

--  Philip, who works on beaters, not show cars

Re: [MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[John M McIntosh]

On 14-Jun-06, at 2:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:
The first 7 Mercedes I owned had about 30 grease fittings  
(including one
on the driveshaft) that required attention every 3kmi! In 1968  
Mercedes


I read somewhere this led to the decline of garages, less maintenance,
and urged on ubran sprawl since one could drive lots more at a  
cheaper cost thus making extensive driving less of a hassle.


My Dads' 57 caddy shop manual is chocked full of things to do every  
1-3k...
Of course in the 50's a tire rotation was according to the bill  
folder in the cabinet 50 cents a wheel so I wonder if it was cheaper

today or not...


John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 178k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] [Bulk] Re: 300D oddness

[Bill Gallagher]

As you turn sharply, the oil is being forced outward, thus causing the 
light to come on as it should I think you should check the oil level 
which should be near the max level Had this issue with a old VW on 
sharp turns, talking about 1 1/2 quarts oil capacity


Bill
1981 300 TD


Zeitgeist wrote:

The oil level circuit board in the instrument panel may beginning to go
haywire.  I fixed this problem by swapping in a later model fuel/oil/coolant
gauge cluster, which contains that circuit.  I think this is a fairly common
failure mode.  Mine presently comes on just when the oil level reaches the
lowest mark on the dipstick, but it used to do it whenever I made a sharp
lefthand turn.

On 6/14/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the
highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on.  I immediately parked
and
turned the car off and waited a few minutes.  As I turned it off, I saw
that
the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there
was
oil in the crankcase.  After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back
on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should.  It
didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles).

What the hell happened?  Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me
to
check the oil.




Casey
Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
'84 300D (213k)
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Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness

[Zeitgeist]

The oil level circuit board in the instrument panel may beginning to go
haywire.  I fixed this problem by swapping in a later model fuel/oil/coolant
gauge cluster, which contains that circuit.  I think this is a fairly common
failure mode.  Mine presently comes on just when the oil level reaches the
lowest mark on the dipstick, but it used to do it whenever I made a sharp
lefthand turn.

On 6/14/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the
highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on.  I immediately parked
and
turned the car off and waited a few minutes.  As I turned it off, I saw
that
the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there
was
oil in the crankcase.  After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back
on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should.  It
didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles).

What the hell happened?  Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me
to
check the oil.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
'84 300D (213k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness

[degcoast]

Sunil,
The SAME thing happend to me last week on my 300D 2.5. Same result-oil level 
was at add mark but not down in the low range on the red thing at the bottom. I 
added a qt-manuala says that the amount between the two levels is 2 qts but I 
din't want to chance overfilling. 
Dwight
 Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the
> highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on.  I immediately parked and
> turned the car off and waited a few minutes.  As I turned it off, I saw that
> the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there was
> oil in the crankcase.  After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back
> on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should.  It
> didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles).
> 
> What the hell happened?  Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to
> check the oil.
> 
> -- 
> Sunil Hari
> 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 513-205-7474
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[MBZ] 190E paatz

[Frederick Moir]

Hi, All.
  Curt, I previously sent you a photo of the drivers door panel, but you did 
not list it with the other things that you wanted. Yours if you want it.
  Fred Moir
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Greetings from lurker-land, to which I have retreated for the last year
or so...

While sorting the various VW and Mercedes wheels behind the barn I
discovered two odd rims, at first glance they appear to be standard
14-inch steel wheels for a W125, but they are in fact aluminum with
black paint, they really do look just like a steel wheel but are
considerably thicker and lighter.  I dont know where they came from,
but I suspect they were in the two 1982 W123s that I got for parts...

Anyone else have any of these?  does anyone know what years/models they
are found on?  

If I had two more I would polish the set and put them on one of my rigs
just to be different..  If I could find a set of 4 in 15-inch for the
vanagon I would wet myself like a little girl.

I think I may have asked about these before but dont recall the
answers.  Thanks in advance.

  -Zach

[MBZ] 300D oddness

[Sunil Hari]

I was driving around town today in the 300D, and just as I got on the
highway entrance ramp I saw the oil light come on.  I immediately parked and
turned the car off and waited a few minutes.  As I turned it off, I saw that
the oil pressure was correct, and after shutdown I confirmed that there was
oil in the crankcase.  After a few minutes of panic I turned the car back
on, and the oil light wasn't on and the pressure behaved as it should.  It
didn't come on the whole way home (~3 miles).

What the hell happened?  Kaleb says it's just the car's way of telling me to
check the oil.

--
Sunil Hari
1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[John M McIntosh]

Funny I was looking at the maintenance CD and the wiring diagrams for  
headlights last night as I wire up the low beams as on always as like  
in the 95+ models for my Xenons.


pre face lift they ran H4 bulbs (high on or low on), versus post  
where they had H7/H1 assemblies which did (high on, low on)


There is an entire application for electrical work which is a clue to  
complexity. Once you migrate between 4 odd pages (or was that six?)   
and wonder about the complexity
of daylight running module, external lamp out module, and various  
relays with tie in to the combination stalk, I can say the wires do  
run from the fuse box to the headlamps, it's just the upstream logic  
which is as you point out is *complex*.



PS for the curious they ran power from the lamp switch to the combo  
switch and it switches power between high/low. For flash  
functionality it would suck power from the rear
heater circuit to power high and  to prevent curcuit overloading.  
With the H7 assemblies, the lamp switch drives the low beam fuse  
directly, and the
combo switch provides power to high or for (high/low) flashing. This  
excludes the power feeds to the low beam fuse coming from the daytime  
running module which btw is terminated when you power on the console  
dash lamps...


On 14-Jun-06, at 10:31 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:

VERY complicated car to service. I'm told that the diagram just for  
the
lighting system of a 140 is more complex than the entire wiring  
diagram

of a 124.

Marshall


John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Cathey wrote:

I know that the factory "U" joint in a 123 does NOT have a grease
fitting. My W111/110s did - not sure about the 114/115s.


No.  The 114/115 was the first of the 'modern' designs, or so
I've been told, and has the same underneath configuration as
you'll find in 107/116/123/126...  I don't believe there are
any grease fittings on these cars at all.

The conventional wisdom is that a greasable joint, properly
serviced, will outlast the sealed kind.  But they're never
properly serviced, and so never do.  Everybody stopped
designing them in and reliability went up.


The first 7 Mercedes I owned had about 30 grease fittings (including one 
on the driveshaft) that required attention every 3kmi! In 1968 Mercedes 
introduced the 114/115 chassis with virtually all of the grease fittings 
absent (sealed joints) and there was a cry from the "faithful" that they 
would NEVER outlast the old fittings that you could grease.


Many owners had grease fitting installed on their '68+ cars so they 
COULD make the fittings last as long as the old ones lasted! Don't ask 
how many fittings were destroyed installing grease fittings!


In fact, the sealed fitting average life turned out to be more than 
double what the average life of a greased fitting was - most lasted the 
life of the car - and they didn't need to be service every 3kmi - or 
EVER until a small proportion of them required replacement.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
When I had my 93 300SE, I did ALL of the maintenance and repairs on it. 
  Not that big of a deal really.  Computers have nothing to do with the 
shocks on them, they are just plain old shocks.  You must be thinking 
about the newer chassis with that air suspension stuff on it.


It's NOT shocks or brakes that are going to "BREAK" you. It's the door 
closer circuit and the four computers etc., etc.. It's what happens when 
the radio goes berserk! And the climate control and alarm systems - 
computer controlled - is supposed to be unimaginable.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> The conventional wisdom is that a greasable joint, properly
> serviced, will outlast the sealed kind.  But they're never
> properly serviced, and so never do.  Everybody stopped
> designing them in and reliability went up.
>   

This same theory has extended to wheel bearings, on some modern cars. 
On my Honda Civic the front wheel bearings were in a sealed, integral
knuckle/hub/bearing assembly and weren't designed to be repacked.  If
they went bad, you replaced the whole assembly.  In practice I'm sure
the service life is longer than for a typical non-sealed bearing,
because hardly anyone seems to service wheel bearings before they start
to make noise.

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[LarryT]

Hi Kaleb,
You wrotesuspension stuff on it.>>


Yeah - I'm sure you're right - I recalled seeing an article in The Star and 
it had a cut-away of the shocks showing the computer links - must have been 
the introduction of the newer S I'm recalling -


Sorry --

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.



When I had my 93 300SE, I did ALL of the maintenance and repairs on it.
 Not that big of a deal really.  Computers have nothing to do with the
shocks on them, they are just plain old shocks.  You must be thinking
about the newer chassis with that air suspension stuff on it.

LarryT wrote:


Hi Don,
IMHO, I think the only way to buy something like a W140 is to go in 
thinking
it's a "throw-away" kind of car - as long as it's supported by the 
purchase

price - you gotta get a "deal".

to explain a little more of what I mean -- if you go into it knowing a
service (most likely done at the dealer) might cost $5000 - $1 for an
extreme situation (perhaps)  - in which case you'll be forced to make a
decision of whether to keep the car & spend the money - and wonder what
might break next - or sell it for what might be a 'song' - or part it out 
on

eBay.  Bear in mind, even something seemingly as basic as the shocks have
computerized functions.   I don't recall what the total number of 
computers

in a typical W140 is, but IIRC it's in the dozens.

Also - you'll likely be unable to do *any* maintanence yourself - without
the computer equipment to diagnose and analyse what might be a simple
problem on a lesser car.  And the cost of that equipment is extremely
expensive - putting it out of reach for many  & requiring even a
knowledgable indy to use a certain amount of guesswork when diagnosing a
problem.

It's sad to think of these amazing cars slowly (or not so slowly)
disappearing behind the fences of local recycling centers - especially 
when

purchased by someone with "shallow pockets" who has not taken the time to
learn about the pitfalls.

The other side of the coin is the possibility of  finding a real gem -
buying it for a great price and putting 60K miles or more on it without
spending any major money on  it.  I'm sure this is happening out there in
the real world - but finding that gem will take some luck, talent and
persistance.  After all, they were engineered like few (maybe *no*) other
vehicles.

Good luck in your seach - BTW, if you find more than one let me know ! 



Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.




I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Older diesel Jeeps ..

[ernest breakfield]

yup; not so uncommon here in the states, though they were not very popular
due do their being rather anemic,and very  *French*.


cheers!
e


> A guy I work with told me that his friend had a 80's something Jeep
> Cherokee 2.0L turbo diesel (French Renault? ). It came from Canada,
> purchased there used and was supposedly operational until its death,
> caused by advanced cancerous rust. I have never seen one. Has any one ever
> seen one of these things? Do they deserve remembrance?
>
> George Larribeau
> Dallas, Texas
>
> 1985 300SD 190K
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Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Luther Gulseth]

I knew I could trust Marshall to come through with this.  Thanks a lot!

Luther

Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> There is a chart covering all the European model Mercedes made between 
> '81 and '85 in the '85 Technical Data Manual. The numbers I provided 
> were for a 300D. A 240D is rated to handle 10 kg less (unbraked) and the 
> same weight as a 300D braked. They do NOT list any weights for US 
> delivered Mercedes because of liability issues (I'm told).
> 
> I've attached the chart!
> 
> Marshall



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[John M McIntosh]

if you buy a 98 or 99 which has the latest engineering changes etc,  
and set aside oh say $10,000
to repair anything, or everything, then I think that should be your  
target expectations.  This may
seem a lot but given some of the prices for the car now it becomes an  
interesting idea.
Unless of course you can encounter a seller who's paid to repair/ 
replace/fix everything, and is

selling and eating the repair costs and depreciation.

w140 cars pre the 94/95 facelift  may have issue with front end  
shimmy that are difficult or
impossible to fix, post facelift the suspension was lowered slightly  
and the problem *seem*
to be solved. I'd suggest avoiding the earlier models just because of  
this engineering issue.


For me, after replacing everything related to wear parts in the  
500SEL front end end it seemed
to get rid of shimmy, mind If one really looks for it, I think it's  
still there, just being held in check

with all new wear parts.

Oh, and you'll think nothing of driving from Seattle to San Jose in  
it, extremely nice to drive, and
the rumbling of the V8 in my driveway lane at night when getting my  
driveway gate open is *nice* to hear...

My wife tells me this is a "guy" thing.

PS If you want a S600, mmm set aside $20K to repair it, that number  
could be low.



On 14-Jun-06, at 7:34 AM, Donald Snook wrote:


I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K



John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  171k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 176k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

When I had my 93 300SE, I did ALL of the maintenance and repairs on it. 
 Not that big of a deal really.  Computers have nothing to do with the 
shocks on them, they are just plain old shocks.  You must be thinking 
about the newer chassis with that air suspension stuff on it.


LarryT wrote:


Hi Don,
IMHO, I think the only way to buy something like a W140 is to go in thinking 
it's a "throw-away" kind of car - as long as it's supported by the purchase 
price - you gotta get a "deal".


to explain a little more of what I mean -- if you go into it knowing a 
service (most likely done at the dealer) might cost $5000 - $1 for an 
extreme situation (perhaps)  - in which case you'll be forced to make a 
decision of whether to keep the car & spend the money - and wonder what 
might break next - or sell it for what might be a 'song' - or part it out on 
eBay.  Bear in mind, even something seemingly as basic as the shocks have 
computerized functions.   I don't recall what the total number of computers 
in a typical W140 is, but IIRC it's in the dozens.


Also - you'll likely be unable to do *any* maintanence yourself - without 
the computer equipment to diagnose and analyse what might be a simple 
problem on a lesser car.  And the cost of that equipment is extremely 
expensive - putting it out of reach for many  & requiring even a 
knowledgable indy to use a certain amount of guesswork when diagnosing a 
problem.


It's sad to think of these amazing cars slowly (or not so slowly) 
disappearing behind the fences of local recycling centers - especially when 
purchased by someone with "shallow pockets" who has not taken the time to 
learn about the pitfalls.


The other side of the coin is the possibility of  finding a real gem - 
buying it for a great price and putting 60K miles or more on it without 
spending any major money on  it.  I'm sure this is happening out there in 
the real world - but finding that gem will take some luck, talent and 
persistance.  After all, they were engineered like few (maybe *no*) other 
vehicles.


Good luck in your seach - BTW, if you find more than one let me know ! 

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.




I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] another Crazy Ebay seller This one is in Claremore, OK item # 4649749622

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I cant really tell what kind of shape the paint is in from the crappy 
picture he has up.


Donald Snook wrote:

Lt. Don wrote: 

 


"Ugly? Dude, that is identical to my car, right down to the model year.
It is a good color that doesn't show dirt."

 


The ugly referred to this particular car's paint.  Did you look at the
picture.  The paint is so crappy looking it looks like it has streaks of
grey in it. 

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K 


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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[Jim Cathey]

I know that the factory "U" joint in a 123 does NOT have a grease
fitting. My W111/110s did - not sure about the 114/115s.


No.  The 114/115 was the first of the 'modern' designs, or so
I've been told, and has the same underneath configuration as
you'll find in 107/116/123/126...  I don't believe there are
any grease fittings on these cars at all.

The conventional wisdom is that a greasable joint, properly
serviced, will outlast the sealed kind.  But they're never
properly serviced, and so never do.  Everybody stopped
designing them in and reliability went up.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[LarryT]

Hi Don,
IMHO, I think the only way to buy something like a W140 is to go in thinking 
it's a "throw-away" kind of car - as long as it's supported by the purchase 
price - you gotta get a "deal".


to explain a little more of what I mean -- if you go into it knowing a 
service (most likely done at the dealer) might cost $5000 - $1 for an 
extreme situation (perhaps)  - in which case you'll be forced to make a 
decision of whether to keep the car & spend the money - and wonder what 
might break next - or sell it for what might be a 'song' - or part it out on 
eBay.  Bear in mind, even something seemingly as basic as the shocks have 
computerized functions.   I don't recall what the total number of computers 
in a typical W140 is, but IIRC it's in the dozens.


Also - you'll likely be unable to do *any* maintanence yourself - without 
the computer equipment to diagnose and analyse what might be a simple 
problem on a lesser car.  And the cost of that equipment is extremely 
expensive - putting it out of reach for many  & requiring even a 
knowledgable indy to use a certain amount of guesswork when diagnosing a 
problem.


It's sad to think of these amazing cars slowly (or not so slowly) 
disappearing behind the fences of local recycling centers - especially when 
purchased by someone with "shallow pockets" who has not taken the time to 
learn about the pitfalls.


The other side of the coin is the possibility of  finding a real gem - 
buying it for a great price and putting 60K miles or more on it without 
spending any major money on  it.  I'm sure this is happening out there in 
the real world - but finding that gem will take some luck, talent and 
persistance.  After all, they were engineered like few (maybe *no*) other 
vehicles.


Good luck in your seach - BTW, if you find more than one let me know ! 

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.



I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

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[MBZ] OT Older diesel Jeeps ..

[George Larribeau]

A guy I work with told me that his friend had a 80's something Jeep Cherokee 
2.0L turbo diesel (French Renault? ). It came from Canada, purchased there used 
and was supposedly operational until its death, caused by advanced cancerous 
rust. I have never seen one. Has any one ever seen one of these things? Do they 
deserve remembrance?

George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Ben Karp]

I just made an appointment to have Jeff do my alignment tomorrow. $55 & the
hunter machine! Sounds like a winner. Wish me luck and thanks.
Ben

-- 
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President/Owner
Georgia CPR, LLC
678-362-7094
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Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Gary Hurst]

if you like high pressure sales tactics, sure

On 6/14/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Lonnie IS just as good. And much more convenient.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

plus jeff spits tobacco while doing your alignment, which is the sort of
added touch you just can't put a value on.

PLUS, they don't try to sell you anything else

I think lonnie at auto service center on peachtree industrial is a
really
good alignment guy, but he will try to sell you $1000 in front end work
to
go with it




On 6/14/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > as usual, big John is correct in where he sends you.  the alignment
> guy's
> > name is Jeff and he is usually there.  however, if jeff is not
there,
> > they'll just have one of the tire changers do the alignment and you
> won't
> > get any advantage over taking it anywhere else.
> >
> > the other beauty of grand turismo is that they are actually cheap as
> well.
> > $55 when i last went there.
>
> The guy with the mohawk who's name escapes me at the moment does a
decent
> job,
> too.  But I think that's because Jeff taught him everything he knows -
but
> not
> everything Jeff knows.
>
> Another thing to be careful of is to make sure that they put the car
on
> the
> Hunter machine, not the much simpler (and less accurate) two wheel
> machine.
> These older Benzes aren't adjustable in the rear and can be out a
little -
> our
> wagon has a little more toe-in than it should in the back.  The two
wheel
> machine doesn't compensate for that, and the first attempt resulted in
the
> car
> still pulling - a quick trip back and a drive onto the Hunter, a more
> experienced tech, and the car tracks true.
>
> And yes, they are still $55.
>
> --
> John L. Ervine
> 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
> 1980 300TD 180+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
> 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
> 1972 220 278+kmi
>
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living

[Kevin J. Slater]

Gerry,

I'm right along that route if you want a place to stop for a bite to eat
or whatever. (Depending on your timing.) I'm 25 minutes north of
Pittsburgh and 10 minutes from I-79 on your way up to Erie and points
north.

...Kevin
87 300TD 284k mi

Curt Raymond said:
> Let us know if you come through MA. I've also got 85 acres of prime
> nothing in northern Maine you're welcome to check out if you'd like.
>
>   -Curt
>
>   Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:46:28 -0400
> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>  reply-type=original
>
>
>
>> Feel free to come and inspect our mountains in the Adirondack Region
>> of NY, if the wind blows you that far off course. the Adirondack Park
>> is comprised of 6,000,000 acres of public and private lands.
>>
>> Johnny B.
>> I Mac Therefore I am
>
> Looked Adirondack Park up on an Eastern US map.  That place is "big"
> and its
> way up there.  It looks like that from Dave Gilmores place in W.Va I
> could
> go to Pittsburgh, take   I-79 to Erie, and I-90 to I-87 which goes
> right
> through the Park.  From there I'm guessing one could pick a route to
> Maine
> that would avoid heavy traffic nearer the coast.  Never have been
> further
> north in New England than Boston.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Rusty Cullens]

Lonnie IS just as good. And much more convenient.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

plus jeff spits tobacco while doing your alignment, which is the sort of
added touch you just can't put a value on.

PLUS, they don't try to sell you anything else

I think lonnie at auto service center on peachtree industrial is a
really
good alignment guy, but he will try to sell you $1000 in front end work
to
go with it




On 6/14/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > as usual, big John is correct in where he sends you.  the alignment
> guy's
> > name is Jeff and he is usually there.  however, if jeff is not
there,
> > they'll just have one of the tire changers do the alignment and you
> won't
> > get any advantage over taking it anywhere else.
> >
> > the other beauty of grand turismo is that they are actually cheap as
> well.
> > $55 when i last went there.
>
> The guy with the mohawk who's name escapes me at the moment does a
decent
> job,
> too.  But I think that's because Jeff taught him everything he knows -
but
> not
> everything Jeff knows.
>
> Another thing to be careful of is to make sure that they put the car
on
> the
> Hunter machine, not the much simpler (and less accurate) two wheel
> machine.
> These older Benzes aren't adjustable in the rear and can be out a
little -
> our
> wagon has a little more toe-in than it should in the back.  The two
wheel
> machine doesn't compensate for that, and the first attempt resulted in
the
> car
> still pulling - a quick trip back and a drive onto the Hunter, a more
> experienced tech, and the car tracks true.
>
> And yes, they are still $55.
>
> --
> John L. Ervine
> 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
> 1980 300TD 180+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
> 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
> 1972 220 278+kmi
>
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Re: [MBZ] CarFax Request and VW EuroVan Opinion

[Tan Qu]

A friend has a '93 EuroVan MV Westfalia w/ 5-speed
manual trans that we have used for a few times.
Everyone in my family seemed to like it very much -
wife liked the interior space that we moved a washer
and a dryer with no problem while my 5-year old
daughter was facinated by the folding table, curtains,
and that the 3rd row seat pulls out and becomes a bed!

I have heard the auto trans in the later years are
problematic and a rebuilt costs four to five thousands
dollars. I am keep the fingers crossed.

Tan


--- Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's my understanding that the later versions with
> the VR6 were much much
> improved over the older I-5 Eurovans.  If they
> weren't so damn expensive,
> I'd probably sell our very reliable Vanagon and buy
> one.  A short
> wheelbase/lowroof Sprinter would be a nice
> alternative, though they're a bit
> more spartan.
> 
> On 6/14/06, Tan Qu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Since it does not look like MB will ever bring
> their
> > Vaneo to the U.S. market(truthfully I won't be
> able to
> > afford a new one even if they do), I will be going
> to
> > look at this '02 EuroVan after work today. The VIN
> is
> > WV2KB47002H065551. If anyone got a CarFax account
> and
> > can pull the records I would really appreciate it.
> >
> > I am really appealed by the interior space and the
> > fact that it seats 7 grown-up's comfortably and
> its
> > uniqueness compared to other minivans. It is
> equipped
> > with a VR6 engine (with timing chain?), 4-speed
> auto
> > trans, traction control and ESP. I want to hear
> from
> > our dieselers' opinions on this besides my own
> > readings from the web.
> >
> >
> > Casey
> Olympia, WA
> Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative
> state"
> '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
> '84 300D (213k)
> Gashuffer:
> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living

[Curt Raymond]

Let us know if you come through MA. I've also got 85 acres of prime nothing in 
northern Maine you're welcome to check out if you'd like.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:46:28 -0400
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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> Feel free to come and inspect our mountains in the Adirondack Region
> of NY, if the wind blows you that far off course. the Adirondack Park
> is comprised of 6,000,000 acres of public and private lands.
>
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am

Looked Adirondack Park up on an Eastern US map.  That place is "big" 
and its 
way up there.  It looks like that from Dave Gilmores place in W.Va I 
could 
go to Pittsburgh, take   I-79 to Erie, and I-90 to I-87 which goes 
right 
through the Park.  From there I'm guessing one could pick a route to 
Maine 
that would avoid heavy traffic nearer the coast.  Never have been 
further 
north in New England than Boston.
Thanks,
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  Is the driver's side door panel still there? I boogered mine and it needs 
replacement, it makes my elbow fall asleep...
   
  -Curt
   
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Hi, All.
  My parts 1985 190E appoox 180k is up for grabs.
  It has an excellent engine (new chain and sprocket, plugs wires etc.) 
a slippy trans, rusty body ( the usual suspects), rear subframe mounts 
are poor
  The following are missing or spoken for:-
  Passenger seat squab (ivory? leather interior)
  Blower motor
  Wiper assembly
  Directional switch assy.
  Trunk lid
  Radio and antenna.
  Wheels and tyres.
  Various knobs etc.
  This thing IS driveable and I could put the wiper assy. back in, if 
someone wanted to drive it away.
  Over.
  Fred Moir
  Lynn MA
  N.B. If no takers it's to the breakers. Soon.


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Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:

I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars. 


It's a very high maintenance car. Maintenance costs will KILL you and 
much of the maintenance requires hookup to the Mercedes computer! It's a 
VERY complicated car to service. I'm told that the diagram just for the 
lighting system of a 140 is more complex than the entire wiring diagram 
of a 124.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Merle wrote:

I have not been under my 123 for some time and was wondering if the
propshaft has grease nipples to lub the joints?


I know that the factory "U" joint in a 123 does NOT have a grease 
fitting. My W111/110s did - not sure about the 114/115s.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Marshall Booth]

John Berryman wrote:

On Jun 13, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


 Our mobile 201 is '86 and has the same appearance for
its wheels as every other '86/87 car we have.


	Our 86 190D wheels bear no resemblance to those type wheels at all.  
Even with the hubcaps removed.


I assume you have steel wheels with hubcaps (never brought to the US) on 
your 190D? I have a set with Blizzaks on them for my wagon.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Marshall Booth]

Trampas wrote:
Marshall, 


The one that pops is not from over tightening it just is noisy, and has been
that way for 100k miles. It sounds like the center detent is worn an causes
a pop as the it passes. 


Making a noise and the feel that there is a detent is EXACTLY what 
signals that the adjustment is overtightened!! You should not hear or 
feel anything as you reach the center!


If the "soft joint" on the steering shaft has deteriorated you might get 
a noise as you move the wheel back and forth (OR not).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
> Marshall, can you cite your reference for this information?  I've been  =

> asked to cite this before and could not.  Thanks,
> Luther
> =

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:31:28 -0500, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  =

> wrote:
> =

>> 750 kg (1650 lb) unbraked and 1500 kg (3300 lb) braked is permitted for
>> a 123 300D.
>>
>> Marshall
> =

> =

> =


There is a chart covering all the European model Mercedes made between =

'81 and '85 in the '85 Technical Data Manual. The numbers I provided =

were for a 300D. A 240D is rated to handle 10 kg less (unbraked) and the =

same weight as a 300D braked. They do NOT list any weights for US =

delivered Mercedes because of liability issues (I'm told).

I've attached the chart!

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Re: [MBZ] CarFax Request and VW EuroVan Opinion

[Zeitgeist]

It's my understanding that the later versions with the VR6 were much much
improved over the older I-5 Eurovans.  If they weren't so damn expensive,
I'd probably sell our very reliable Vanagon and buy one.  A short
wheelbase/lowroof Sprinter would be a nice alternative, though they're a bit
more spartan.

On 6/14/06, Tan Qu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Since it does not look like MB will ever bring their
Vaneo to the U.S. market(truthfully I won't be able to
afford a new one even if they do), I will be going to
look at this '02 EuroVan after work today. The VIN is
WV2KB47002H065551. If anyone got a CarFax account and
can pull the records I would really appreciate it.

I am really appealed by the interior space and the
fact that it seats 7 grown-up's comfortably and its
uniqueness compared to other minivans. It is equipped
with a VR6 engine (with timing chain?), 4-speed auto
trans, traction control and ESP. I want to hear from
our dieselers' opinions on this besides my own
readings from the web.


Casey

Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
'84 300D (213k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Gary Hurst]

plus jeff spits tobacco while doing your alignment, which is the sort of
added touch you just can't put a value on.

PLUS, they don't try to sell you anything else

I think lonnie at auto service center on peachtree industrial is a really
good alignment guy, but he will try to sell you $1000 in front end work to
go with it




On 6/14/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Gary Hurst wrote:
> as usual, big John is correct in where he sends you.  the alignment
guy's
> name is Jeff and he is usually there.  however, if jeff is not there,
> they'll just have one of the tire changers do the alignment and you
won't
> get any advantage over taking it anywhere else.
>
> the other beauty of grand turismo is that they are actually cheap as
well.
> $55 when i last went there.

The guy with the mohawk who's name escapes me at the moment does a decent
job,
too.  But I think that's because Jeff taught him everything he knows - but
not
everything Jeff knows.

Another thing to be careful of is to make sure that they put the car on
the
Hunter machine, not the much simpler (and less accurate) two wheel
machine.
These older Benzes aren't adjustable in the rear and can be out a little -
our
wagon has a little more toe-in than it should in the back.  The two wheel
machine doesn't compensate for that, and the first attempt resulted in the
car
still pulling - a quick trip back and a drive onto the Hunter, a more
experienced tech, and the car tracks true.

And yes, they are still $55.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Steve MacSween]

on 6/14/06 10:34 AM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
> much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
> harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.
> 

Cost of repairs is insane. More in, oh, Jaguar or 9-series BMW league, than
anything you know about Mercedes.

Ask Rusty to quote on one or two of the (IIRC) four computers on board. That
will give you some idea.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] another Crazy Ebay seller This one is in Claremore, OK item # 4649749622

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep

Donald Snook wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-240d_W0QQitemZ4649749622QQi
hZ002QQcategoryZ6315QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 


A 1977 240D with 350K that is just plain ugly and "needs engine work"
for a minimum bid of $1500.  Those folks in Claremore are crazy. 

 

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K 


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item #4649412487

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The seller is an idiot.  I pointed out to him how is car has us bumpers 
and lights where he claims they are euro


Donald Snook wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MERCEDES-BENZ-230-SEDAN-40mpgEURO-VE
RSION_W0QQitemZ4649412487QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

 


This seller claims that a gasser MB six cylinder gets 40mpg.  Do these
kinds of sellers think we're all idiots? 

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K 


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Where have I heard that exact plan before?

Trampas wrote:


Jim,

I am with you, I would pay a shop to repair my car if I could find one which
I could trust. 


For me I have a full time job and do contract work part-time. Thus it does
not make economic sense for me to work on my cars. However it seems that it
is near to impossible to pay someone to fix cars. My mother found a good
mechanic near Ashville NC, the shop is called Euro-spec. She drives 2 hours
from Boone to get her car serviced, including oil changes. He tells her, "if
anyone else touches your car, then don't bother to bring back here." I am
thinking that I might have to start taking more vacations in Ashville, which
is 4 hours from Raleigh. Maybe I could just keep a spare car there 


I keep thinking about opening a repair shop known as "I just want it fixed!"
The shop would be a member's only shop, to be a member you have to be
recommended by a member or have paid another shop to fix your car and now
you just want it fixed. As part of the service when you bring your car in
for repair you get a free loner, actually it is a 'rental' using credit card
for insurance purposes. This makes it such that you do not have to worry
about dropping off and picking up car as everyone gets a loner (which is for
sale). The membership only is a method of choosing customer. If you complain
about bill, then I would reduce labor charge by xx% and revoke your
membership. The idea is to keep customers who know the value of a good shop.
The loners are kind of like allowing customers to go on extended test
drives. If your car is causing problems and you prefer the loner, it is for
sale. Actually if I ever get tired of my day job I just might open the shop.


Trampas 


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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Instrument Cluster 85 300SD (Again) Sorry

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Why do you need to remove anything, you just insert the hooks along side 
the cluster and yank it out.


Barry Stark wrote:


George -
Not sure if it is the same on your '85 SD as on my '81 SD but on mine I just
remove the left front speaker from the dash with a stubby Phillips
screwdriver and I can reach in that hole to push the cluster out. I find
that less work than removing the knee bolster to get behind the cluster. If
you haven't had the cluster out for a while it can stick a bit, so you may
have to push pretty hard till it gives the first time.

Barry


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:40 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Instrument Cluster 85 300SD (Again) Sorry


I am trying to learn how to remove the instrument cluster, The PDF-s have
custom hooks and the answer from this list on that was to fabricate some
hooks out of coat hangers. I have seen some DIY FAQ on the web with some
pictures ..however I don't understand exactly what holds it in (instrument
cluster). I am afraid that if I don't use the hooks properly (exact location
of penetration?) that I will break something. Some kind of clip, or
something that the hooks push out of the way. Do not know exactly where to
force in the hooks.  Could some one hold my hand on this one and explain it
a bit more?

George Larribeau



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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Jim Cathey]

I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.


There are a lot of electrical doodads to break on these.  I keep
thinking I'd like one, at least to try.  I missed getting a S350
that had a new engine for $10k two years ago.  Probably just as
well that I didn't...

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[John Ervine]

Gary Hurst wrote:

as usual, big John is correct in where he sends you.  the alignment guy's
name is Jeff and he is usually there.  however, if jeff is not there,
they'll just have one of the tire changers do the alignment and you won't
get any advantage over taking it anywhere else.

the other beauty of grand turismo is that they are actually cheap as well.
$55 when i last went there.


The guy with the mohawk who's name escapes me at the moment does a decent job, 
too.  But I think that's because Jeff taught him everything he knows - but not 
everything Jeff knows.


Another thing to be careful of is to make sure that they put the car on the 
Hunter machine, not the much simpler (and less accurate) two wheel machine. 
These older Benzes aren't adjustable in the rear and can be out a little - our 
wagon has a little more toe-in than it should in the back.  The two wheel 
machine doesn't compensate for that, and the first attempt resulted in the car 
still pulling - a quick trip back and a drive onto the Hunter, a more 
experienced tech, and the car tracks true.


And yes, they are still $55.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Desert Rat]

Don,
it's the wiring harness and evaporator issues but this is common to
all 92 through 95 (?) MB's.

Then, you've got the complex, over engineered systems in the
carwhy there are over 52 fuses alone!

And of course, you know about the diesel rod benders.

All that being said, I am completely happy with my 92 500SEL and have
never had a nicer car.

On 6/14/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

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[MBZ] CarFax Request and VW EuroVan Opinion

[Tan Qu]

Since it does not look like MB will ever bring their
Vaneo to the U.S. market(truthfully I won't be able to
afford a new one even if they do), I will be going to
look at this '02 EuroVan after work today. The VIN is
WV2KB47002H065551. If anyone got a CarFax account and
can pull the records I would really appreciate it. 

I am really appealed by the interior space and the
fact that it seats 7 grown-up's comfortably and its
uniqueness compared to other minivans. It is equipped
with a VR6 engine (with timing chain?), 4-speed auto
trans, traction control and ESP. I want to hear from
our dieselers' opinions on this besides my own
readings from the web.


Tan 
'87 190Dt
'91 300D
'82 240D (off for the summer)

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[George Larribeau]

My guess is that they changed the way the manifold attaches at some
point, and it may be the only way to know which style you need is
to look.  Perhaps you just have to order both sets and eat the
wrong ones?  Be silly to return something that small I'd think.

-- Jim


Buying extra o-rings is no big gig. However not knowing for a fact what the 
right ones are is another matter. Hopefully it will become obvious upon 
receipt of the parts. It would be a bummer to believe it was working and 
have it fail later ..


George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] another Crazy Ebay seller This one is in Claremore, OK item # 4649749622

[LT Don]

Ugly? Dude, that is identical to my car, right down to the model year. It is
a good color that doesn't show dirt.

On 6/14/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-240d_W0QQitemZ4649749622QQi
hZ002QQcategoryZ6315QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



A 1977 240D with 350K that is just plain ugly and "needs engine work"
for a minimum bid of $1500.  Those folks in Claremore are crazy.





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

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1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list

[OK Don]

A few more - check the chain stretch, repalce along with the rails if needed-
Chain tensoiner and it's gasket
The aluminum crush washers sealing the block drains - these are usualy
well corroded
Hard and soft vacuum lines.


On 6/14/06, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oil cooler hoses
Heater hoses
Front main seal
Rear main seal
Front transmission seal (and pump seal)
Rear transmission seal
Check Transmission modulator valve
Transmission dip stick tube O ring
New glow plugs
Water pump
Alternator brushes
Transmission shift linkage bushings
Valve cover gasket and valve adjustment
Vacuum pump kit
Injector overflow hoses
Check/Consider new fuel pump
Check injection pump timing (hard to get to that back bolt in car)
Change gasket between oil filter housing and block (these are known to leak)

Clean and paint engine compartment.

Note some of these can be replaced with engine in car, but if you do it now
you will not have to worry about it.

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:02 AM
To: Mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list

I'm lazy. *smile*

You see, soon I will be doing an engine swap. I'll be pulling the engine
from a W123 300D turbo and putting it into another W123 300D turbo.

The lazy part is that I want to do all the common, but difficult
mainanence while the engine is out!

So my list includes:
 * turbo train seals
 * oil filter housing gasket
 * upper oil pan gasket
 * motor mounts (including transmission mount)

But I thinking some of you long-term fellow might have a few more items
to add to my list.

So, would ya, could ya, please add to my list the things I'll regret if
I don't do while the engine is out?

Thanks!!

--Philip, trying to make another parts car


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Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item #4649412487

[Jim Cathey]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MERCEDES-BENZ-230-SEDAN-40mpgEURO- 
VE

RSION_W0QQitemZ4649412487QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Interesting that there are no pictures of the carpeting or upholstery.
And what's with that green linoleum (?) in that one picture?  Broken
slat in the AC intake grille, speaks volumes for the meticulous car
claimed for the car!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item #4649412487

[Jim Cathey]

This seller claims that a gasser MB six cylinder gets 40mpg.  Do these
kinds of sellers think we're all idiots?


He has a cold, and you mistake 14 for 40.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Tell why not to buy a 140.

[Donald Snook]

I keep running across 140 chassis cars in fantastic shape for not that
much money. Why don't I want one of these again?  Is it the wiring
harness.  They do appear to be very nice cars. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Jim Cathey]

Rusty's site has 2 kinds of o-rings listed, one of them tools like 
what I
call an o-ring the other looks wore like a flat 'rubber' washer. They 
are
both listed for use with the R4 compressor the difference being 
'stepped

ports?'. What up with this?


My guess is that they changed the way the manifold attaches at some
point, and it may be the only way to know which style you need is
to look.  Perhaps you just have to order both sets and eat the
wrong ones?  Be silly to return something that small I'd think.

-- Jim

[MBZ] another Crazy Ebay seller This one is in Claremore, OK item # 4649749622

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-240d_W0QQitemZ4649749622QQi
hZ002QQcategoryZ6315QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

A 1977 240D with 350K that is just plain ugly and "needs engine work"
for a minimum bid of $1500.  Those folks in Claremore are crazy. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K 

[MBZ] Ridiculous claim of 40 MPG for '69 230 on Ebay item #4649412487

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MERCEDES-BENZ-230-SEDAN-40mpgEURO-VE
RSION_W0QQitemZ4649412487QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

 

This seller claims that a gasser MB six cylinder gets 40mpg.  Do these
kinds of sellers think we're all idiots? 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K 

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[George Larribeau]

Once you get moving I cannot tell the difference.  I would suggest

replacing the condenser if it has a lot of miles on it, they collect
crud internally over the years that reduces cooling.
You must also have the system completely dry -- 134a makes hydrofluoric
acid in the presence of water and heat.
Peter


Well I've decided to replace the compressor, manifold line and the dryer. I 
will reuse the switches on the dryer, and if it looks clean inside I am 
going to try to have it evacuated / recharged with R12 It is currently R12.
Rusty's site has 2 kinds of o-rings listed, one of them tools like what I 
call an o-ring the other looks wore like a flat 'rubber' washer. They are 
both listed for use with the R4 compressor the difference being 'stepped 
ports?'. What up with this?


George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Gary Hurst]

as usual, big John is correct in where he sends you.  the alignment guy's
name is Jeff and he is usually there.  however, if jeff is not there,
they'll just have one of the tire changers do the alignment and you won't
get any advantage over taking it anywhere else.

the other beauty of grand turismo is that they are actually cheap as well.
$55 when i last went there.




On 6/14/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ben Karp wrote:
>
> I have an '80 240D that has eaten the inside of the front passenger
tire, is
> there a place anyone recommends for an alignment in the Atlanta area?
> Should I use weight in the car when I drop it off, I have heard that is
> supposed to be done and rarely is?
> Thanks in advance!

If you want it done, take it anywhere.  If you want it done right, take it
to
Gran Turismo East on Shallowford in Chamblee.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Trampas]

Jim,

I am with you, I would pay a shop to repair my car if I could find one which
I could trust. 

For me I have a full time job and do contract work part-time. Thus it does
not make economic sense for me to work on my cars. However it seems that it
is near to impossible to pay someone to fix cars. My mother found a good
mechanic near Ashville NC, the shop is called Euro-spec. She drives 2 hours
from Boone to get her car serviced, including oil changes. He tells her, "if
anyone else touches your car, then don't bother to bring back here." I am
thinking that I might have to start taking more vacations in Ashville, which
is 4 hours from Raleigh. Maybe I could just keep a spare car there 

I keep thinking about opening a repair shop known as "I just want it fixed!"
The shop would be a member's only shop, to be a member you have to be
recommended by a member or have paid another shop to fix your car and now
you just want it fixed. As part of the service when you bring your car in
for repair you get a free loner, actually it is a 'rental' using credit card
for insurance purposes. This makes it such that you do not have to worry
about dropping off and picking up car as everyone gets a loner (which is for
sale). The membership only is a method of choosing customer. If you complain
about bill, then I would reduce labor charge by xx% and revoke your
membership. The idea is to keep customers who know the value of a good shop.
The loners are kind of like allowing customers to go on extended test
drives. If your car is causing problems and you prefer the loner, it is for
sale. Actually if I ever get tired of my day job I just might open the shop.


Trampas 




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

> Just got back from the shop. It is all my mistake for taking it to 
> them.

And this is my motivation for learning to do most jobs myself.
(Which at this point does _not_ include alignment.)

> Thus I will check the steering box, and then take it to stealership to
> get a correct alignment.

Check them too.  I think our dealership has _one_ guy who remembers
how to work on the older cars.  Make no assumptions!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[John Ervine]

Ben Karp wrote:


I have an '80 240D that has eaten the inside of the front passenger tire, is
there a place anyone recommends for an alignment in the Atlanta area?
Should I use weight in the car when I drop it off, I have heard that is
supposed to be done and rarely is?
Thanks in advance!


If you want it done, take it anywhere.  If you want it done right, take it to 
Gran Turismo East on Shallowford in Chamblee.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Jim Cathey]

Just got back from the shop. It is all my mistake for taking it to 
them.


And this is my motivation for learning to do most jobs myself.
(Which at this point does _not_ include alignment.)


Thus I will check the steering box, and then take it to stealership to
get a correct alignment.


Check them too.  I think our dealership has _one_ guy who remembers
how to work on the older cars.  Make no assumptions!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list

[Trampas]

Oil cooler hoses
Heater hoses
Front main seal
Rear main seal
Front transmission seal (and pump seal)
Rear transmission seal
Check Transmission modulator valve 
Transmission dip stick tube O ring
New glow plugs
Water pump
Alternator brushes
Transmission shift linkage bushings
Valve cover gasket and valve adjustment
Vacuum pump kit
Injector overflow hoses
Check/Consider new fuel pump
Check injection pump timing (hard to get to that back bolt in car)
Change gasket between oil filter housing and block (these are known to leak)

Clean and paint engine compartment. 

Note some of these can be replaced with engine in car, but if you do it now
you will not have to worry about it. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:02 AM
To: Mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] Engine swap parts list

I'm lazy. *smile*

You see, soon I will be doing an engine swap. I'll be pulling the engine
from a W123 300D turbo and putting it into another W123 300D turbo.

The lazy part is that I want to do all the common, but difficult
mainanence while the engine is out!

So my list includes:
 * turbo train seals
 * oil filter housing gasket
 * upper oil pan gasket
 * motor mounts (including transmission mount)

But I thinking some of you long-term fellow might have a few more items
to add to my list.

So, would ya, could ya, please add to my list the things I'll regret if
I don't do while the engine is out? 

Thanks!!

--Philip, trying to make another parts car


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Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Trampas]

Don't make my mistake, ask some simple questions.

#1 Do they know what a spreader bar is?
#2 Ask them if they know how to pin/lock the steering box before alignment. 
#3 Which way do you turn the adjustment on the steering box to remove play? 

Also as much of a pain it is to find a shop to do the alignment, I would
highly recommend that you replace the whole front end first. Then you will
not have to worry about it for at least another 30-50k miles. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

> I have an '80 240D that has eaten the inside of the front passenger 
> tire, is
> there a place anyone recommends for an alignment in the Atlanta area?

Have you examined the car for loose parts?  It's a waste of money to
have an alignment attempt done if there's a bad ball joint or something.
Jack up the front and yank and wiggle on things first.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[Jim Cathey]

I have not been under my 123 for some time and was wondering if the
propshaft has grease nipples to lub the joints?


No.  (Though somebody could have changed the joint for a greasable
one in the past.  I've never heard of anybody having one.)

The center support bearing _can_ be disassembled and greased, but
this is not a job for most people as a new bearing is not all that
expensive.  A cheapskate like myself has done it a couple of times
on the jalopies.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Trampas]

Just got back from the shop. It is all my mistake for taking it to them. So
here is why the steering box is worn out:

"We locked the steering wheel to set the alignment and the pitman arm still
moved. We then adjusted the steering box and could not remove the play."

The guy then offered to reset the toe when I replaced the steering box such
that the steering wheel would be straight. 

So at this point I realize that I am an idiot for not asking more questions
before I took it to them, like "You do know how to align a W126?" 

So I asked him, "You did put the pin in the steering box before aligning
it?" 
"Oh, yea, err sure we did." 
"Then I will not need to bring it back after I replace the steering box." 
"Well if you get splines off on the steering column, the you will need toe
reset to make steering wheel straight." 

I then explained that the W126 steering box is designed such that the
steering wheel is harder to turn when going straight and then get easier as
you turn. Thus you have to put the pin in the steering box to make sure the
box is centered before aligning other wise it will drive very funny. At this
point he just looked at me funny like I was full of crap. 

Thus I will check the steering box, and then take it to stealership to get a
correct alignment. 

You know I would have paid 2x the price for tires and alignment for a shop
to do the work and me not have to worry about it. That is I am going to be
paying twice for the alignment anyway, but now I have to arrange for
dropping of the car again, which is really a pain in the butt. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of John Berryman
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?


On Jun 13, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Trampas wrote:

> Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering  
> box on
> the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had  
> never
> heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has  
> anyone
> ever had a steering box wear out?
>
> Trampas

Yes but don't rule out the possibility that they're turning the  
adjusting screw the wrong way. in this case it's Righty loosey, Lefty  
Tighty.
I bet that many folks bought new steering gear because the "mechanic"  
wasn't aware of that minor difference between MB and American iron.
I highly doubt the gearbox would wear out in so few miles unless it

was over-tightened at some time.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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[MBZ] W123 Proshaft Service

[Peter Merle]

I have not been under my 123 for some time and was wondering if the
propshaft has grease nipples to lub the joints?
PEter Merle

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Jim Cathey]

I have an '80 240D that has eaten the inside of the front passenger 
tire, is

there a place anyone recommends for an alignment in the Atlanta area?


Have you examined the car for loose parts?  It's a waste of money to
have an alignment attempt done if there's a bad ball joint or something.
Jack up the front and yank and wiggle on things first.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta 240D alignment?

[Ben Karp]

I have an '80 240D that has eaten the inside of the front passenger tire, is
there a place anyone recommends for an alignment in the Atlanta area?
Should I use weight in the car when I drop it off, I have heard that is
supposed to be done and rarely is?
Thanks in advance!
Ben

Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Bob Rentfro]

Where was the best place to get the correct hitch? I had a link but it look 
like I  86-ed it.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 154K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 66K
:itchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "John Berryman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really




On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


Marshall, can you cite your reference for this information?  I've been
asked to cite this before and could not.  Thanks,
Luther


You can now cite it using this information from a very reliable source:



750 kg (1650 lb) unbraked and 1500 kg (3300 lb) braked is permitted
for
a 123 300D.

Marshall


If asked to provide proof again, simply produce this document.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Levi Smith]

my 83' 300D's is about worn out.  I've tightened it as far as it will go and
gotten it from around 6+ inches of free play to maybe a couple inches.  But
this car supposedly has something in the "over 300K miles" range...

Levi

On 6/13/06, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has anyone
ever had a steering box wear out?

Trampas


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[MBZ] Engine swap parts list

[Fmiser]

I'm lazy. *smile*

You see, soon I will be doing an engine swap. I'll be pulling the engine
from a W123 300D turbo and putting it into another W123 300D turbo.

The lazy part is that I want to do all the common, but difficult
mainanence while the engine is out!

So my list includes:
 * turbo train seals
 * oil filter housing gasket
 * upper oil pan gasket
 * motor mounts (including transmission mount)

But I thinking some of you long-term fellow might have a few more items
to add to my list.

So, would ya, could ya, please add to my list the things I'll regret if
I don't do while the engine is out? 

Thanks!!

--Philip, trying to make another parts car

Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[John Berryman]

On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


Marshall, can you cite your reference for this information?  I've been
asked to cite this before and could not.  Thanks,
Luther


You can now cite it using this information from a very reliable source:



750 kg (1650 lb) unbraked and 1500 kg (3300 lb) braked is permitted  
for

a 123 300D.

Marshall


If asked to provide proof again, simply produce this document.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Instrument Cluster 85 300SD (Again) Sorry

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Barry Stark wrote:


George -
Not sure if it is the same on your '85 SD as on my '81 SD but on  
mine I just

remove the left front speaker from the dash with a stubby Phillips
screwdriver and I can reach in that hole to push the cluster out. I  
find
that less work than removing the knee bolster to get behind the  
cluster. If
you haven't had the cluster out for a while it can stick a bit, so  
you may

have to push pretty hard till it gives the first time.

Barry


	The paint can opener tool that is usually free when you buy paint  
works great for hooking it from the front. I use a pair, hooking my  
fingers in the bottle opener end and hooking the bent-over  
screwdriver tip end on the IC edge.
	 Gently pull L&R alternately, you can slide the tools up and down  
the sides to get it moving all around. Then just pull it out. No need  
to remove anything but the instrument cluster and un-plug the  
necessary wires. Using hooks is the factory approved method too.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] upcoming auction

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 9:13 PM, redghost wrote:


Oh,

from the reading all I was able to do was the association of mr. B  
with

Jeep.

Will keep an eye for toyota ness


Tanks!

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Luther Gulseth]

Marshall, can you cite your reference for this information?  I've been  
asked to cite this before and could not.  Thanks,

Luther

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:31:28 -0500, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:




750 kg (1650 lb) unbraked and 1500 kg (3300 lb) braked is permitted for
a 123 300D.

Marshall




--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 8:46 PM, archer wrote:


  That place is "big" and its
way up there.  It looks like that from Dave Gilmores place in W.Va  
I could
go to Pittsburgh, take   I-79 to Erie, and I-90 to I-87 which goes  
right

through the Park.


	That'll work. I-87 is known as The Adirondack Northway, North of  
I-90. I'm roughly 10 miles North of exit 22



From there I'm guessing one could pick a route to Maine
that would avoid heavy traffic nearer the coast.


	There are a few routes through Vermont and New Hampshire that'll get  
you away from the major hustle and bustle. Quite scenic too.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] Fw: SDL using more front shocks than oil.

[Harry Watkins]

- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.


> Thanks Larry, that's exactly the information I needed.
>
> However, I may NOT need to go to Bilstein.  In response to the return form
I
> filled out at Rusty's site, Tom emailed a return number for both my failed
> shocks with instructions to return them in the boxes of the new ones.
>
> I'm sure Gary can benefit from your information also.
>
> I still need some ideas as to why three Bilstein failures within 15
months.
> I believe I mounted them properly, rubber bumpers on both side of the
> mounting surface without over tightening, Large washers to the outside of
> the bumpers.  Lock Tite on the two mounting bolts and that's all that can
be
> done to my knowledge.
>
> The engine is smooth and the suspension is tight.  Tire wear is normal.  I
> ordered a new steering dampener because the wife had complained a few
weeks
> ago of a shimmy when hitting  a pot hole.  I now think that could have
been
> because of the first shock failing.  I'll install the new dampener after
> comparing it to the old one.
>
> Harry Watkins
> Newton, MS
> 86 SDL Silver
> 85 300D Euro
> 86 SDL Gold
> 81 240D manual trans
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes
> > Howdy Harry -
> > The Bilstein website says about its shocks (except for a few models) -
> > GENERAL WARRANTY DETAILS
> > ThyssenKrupp Bilstein of America warrants its gas pressure shock
absorbers
> > against defects in workmanship and materials for as long as you, the
> > original purchaser, own your car -
> >
> > Take a look at
> >
>
http://www.bilstein.com/warranty.php?PHPSESSID=275d353b6a52807ade9b7b60afae3387
> >
> > Their website has a lot of info about warranty claims - they sell a
> > excellent shock BTW - I've had good luck with all the Bilsteins I've
> > bought -
> >
> > Good luck -
> >
> > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Trampas wrote:

The one that pops is not from over tightening it just is noisy, and  
has been
that way for 100k miles. It sounds like the center detent is worn  
an causes

a pop as the it passes.


Maybe the rag-joint is shot. Very common failure.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Trampas wrote:

Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering  
box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had  
never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has  
anyone

ever had a steering box wear out?

Trampas


	Yes but don't rule out the possibility that they're turning the  
adjusting screw the wrong way. in this case it's Righty loosey, Lefty  
Tighty.
I bet that many folks bought new steering gear because the "mechanic"  
wasn't aware of that minor difference between MB and American iron.
	I highly doubt the gearbox would wear out in so few miles unless it  
was over-tightened at some time.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment

[Marshall Booth]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:35:13 +0500 "M.Afzaal Khan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


For alignment the front wheels need to be  kept  apart with a bar set at
100 NM  . and only then the toe- in is  set correctly .
This is the suspension under running conditon stress.
 few shops would do that
mak


A Newton (N) is a force, so a Newton-meter (N-m) is a torque.

Is that really the units you mean?


To set toe-in the front wheels must be set, then the wheels spread with 
90-110 N force and the toe-in reset. If NOT done this way, the system 
WILL not be properly aligned (although it may be adequate). Even the 
makers of rather elaborate alignment devices in Germany acknowledge this 
and that failure to use a spreader bar degrades the accuracy of setting 
toe on both Mercedes and some other makes that do not call for a 
spreader bar.


Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


 Our mobile 201 is '86 and has the same appearance for
its wheels as every other '86/87 car we have.


	Our 86 190D wheels bear no resemblance to those type wheels at all.  
Even with the hubcaps removed.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] We never get anything!

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Jeff Zedic wrote:


This one would be ok as it has the E320 CDI engine not that guzzling
American junk.


Jeff Zedic


Aw come on now, HEMIs RAWK!!!

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

The gas dealers always have come pictures on the wall of cars which  
had leaky acetylene
tanks in the trunk, most impressive. A garbage bag full of the  
stuff can take a the
windows out of a few houses. I once drove home from Chicago with a  
couple pair of
tanks in the passenger compartment with me (never in the trunk). If  
I'd smelled
anything like almonds, I would have pulled over, left the door  
open, and run like

heck.


	I knew a young guy who worked for his father's scrap/roll-off  
dumpster business. He had oxygen and acetylene bottles in the cab of  
his Mack heading into manhattan on the Williamsburgh Bridge. Anyone  
who is familiar with driving on this bridge knows that there is a  
"jog" in the roadway where some of the structure must be driven around.
	This kid hit the structural steel and a few other large immovable  
objects and the tanks exploded. The driver was tall and obese, small  
parts of him were found in the wreckage but nothing anyone would  
recognize as being Dave Jr. or part of any human, for that matter.
	I have transported tanks several times in an unsafe manner but never  
again after that wake-up call.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:35:13 +0500 "M.Afzaal Khan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For alignment the front wheels need to be  kept  apart with a bar set at
> 100 NM  . and only then the toe- in is  set correctly .
> This is the suspension under running conditon stress.
>  few shops would do that
> mak

A Newton (N) is a force, so a Newton-meter (N-m) is a torque.

Is that really the units you mean?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Barry Stark]

Trampas -
To confirm what Marshall said, I asked a similar question at a MBCA meeting
once when we had a M/B regional tech rep. as a guest speaker and he stated
that if they, the steering box, are maintained well they practically never
wear out. What happens is that the various bearings and a thrust washer or
two in them wear a bit and play accumulates. With the full adjustment that
Marshall mentioned it brings the box back into like new adjustment.

Barry

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If the box IS adjusted too tightly, it will wear rapidly, but most boxes
last the life of the car and few require replacement UNLESS people
adjust them incorrectly. The full adjustment procedure is complex and
few shops have the tools to preform it, but it's seldom ever required
unless people PLAY with it.

Re: [MBZ] Instrument Cluster 85 300SD (Again) Sorry

[Barry Stark]

George -
Not sure if it is the same on your '85 SD as on my '81 SD but on mine I just
remove the left front speaker from the dash with a stubby Phillips
screwdriver and I can reach in that hole to push the cluster out. I find
that less work than removing the knee bolster to get behind the cluster. If
you haven't had the cluster out for a while it can stick a bit, so you may
have to push pretty hard till it gives the first time.

Barry


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I am trying to learn how to remove the instrument cluster, The PDF-s have
custom hooks and the answer from this list on that was to fabricate some
hooks out of coat hangers. I have seen some DIY FAQ on the web with some
pictures ..however I don't understand exactly what holds it in (instrument
cluster). I am afraid that if I don't use the hooks properly (exact location
of penetration?) that I will break something. Some kind of clip, or
something that the hooks push out of the way. Do not know exactly where to
force in the hooks.  Could some one hold my hand on this one and explain it
a bit more?

George Larribeau

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, but not at that low of mileage.

Trampas wrote:

Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has anyone
ever had a steering box wear out? 


Trampas


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Re: [MBZ] Kemp Auto Museum

[George Gregory]

On 6/13/06 7:40 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pretty sad website. No photo of the SSK they claim to have although it would
> be their most valuable car. Two photos identified as 190E 2.3-16s and neither
> one is. In fact one is a 123 coupe. The other looks like an ordinary 201. And
> they misspelled Porsche. And the Porsche is not a 356. It's a 356C or SC.
> 
> RLE


SSshh!

Don't tell little Tommy!

Re: [MBZ] Pick this car

[Hendrik Riessen]

I'll have the one next to it thanks.
Hope she was worth it.

Hendrik
no picks in the car...yet

PS How do you confuse an Irishman? Put him in a room full of shovels and 
tell him to take his pick.


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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Hendrik Riessen]

Best of to find a mechanic who knows what they are talking about, tightens 
play in the steering wheel, what a lot of rubbish.
The best way I have found of determining the play in a box is to take the 
front wheels off the ground and then turn the input shaft to see and feel 
how much movement there is before the pitman starts to move. This is 
particularly useful if you are hunting in a pick your part wreckers.


Hendrik
with a bit of play in the box.hmmmnh did that sound right

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Jim, thanks for the reply. I personally have several W126 which have over
220k miles and no problems. I have only ever seen one that was worn out 
and

it is on my 300k+ mile 300SD and it just has a pop when you rock steering
wheel, which it has done for last 100k miles.

I am also concerned as that when I mentioned that there was an adjustment 
on

the steering box the guy told me "That just tightens play in steering
wheel." Thus I am wondering where this play is that he is referring to. I
figured the lower bearing for the pitman arm could be bad, but figured it
would leak long before it had excessive play.

I will find out more when I pick it up tomorrow.

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?


Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering
box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had
never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has
anyone
ever had a steering box wear out?


I suppose they can, but that's awfully low mileage for such a failure.
I'm told that if the box is adjusted too far 'tight' it accelerates
wear such that it does indeed wear out very quickly.  But whole lots
of steering boxes go 2-3x that distance, and most of the replacements
I've heard of were to try to cure leaks, not wear.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Kenmore auction

[redghost]

Still, IIRC, the thing is a pinto and has digital gauges. Will know for 
sure when I do the preview.


On Tuesday, June 13, 2006, at 05:36 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:

AWWW  Quit yer purist whining.  Do you actually "know" this car or are 
you

just guessing it's a POS?  Who cares if it's not the real deal?  No one
would actually drive  a real one would they?  At least not alot.  I'd 
drive
that all the time and not even care about how many miles.  Looks like 
a load
of fun to me. BUT, alas I am just a poor hick that doesn't know jack 
about

an SSK.

Mike


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<,1929 MERCEDES BENZ SSK replica 4 cyl, auto, convertible>>

Any person who represents this POS as an SSK replica should be taken 
out

back
and shot.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] upcoming auction

[redghost]

Oh,

from the reading all I was able to do was the association of mr. B with 
Jeep.


Will keep an eye for toyota ness

On Tuesday, June 13, 2006, at 12:35 AM, John Berryman wrote:



On Jun 12, 2006, at 10:30 PM, redghost wrote:


1997 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LAREDO 4x4, V8, auto, p/s, p/b, a/c, cruise,
tilt, p/wdw, p/seat, p/lock  Johnny B wanted this?


No, I have this. Want compact Toyota 4x4 pick-up 4cyl 5spd prefered.

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Re: [MBZ] Kenmore auction

[redghost]

I think it is on a pinto frame

On Monday, June 12, 2006, at 09:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


<,1929 MERCEDES BENZ SSK replica 4 cyl, auto, convertible>>

Any person who represents this POS as an SSK replica should be taken 
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and shot.

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[MBZ] 1985 190E Paatz

[Frederick Moir]

Hi, All.
  My parts 1985 190E appoox 180k is up for grabs.
  It has an excellent engine (new chain and sprocket, plugs wires etc.) a 
slippy trans, rusty body ( the usual suspects), rear subframe mounts are poor
  The following are missing or spoken for:-
  Passenger seat squab (ivory? leather interior)
  Blower motor
  Wiper assembly
  Directional switch assy.
  Trunk lid
  Radio and antenna.
  Wheels and tyres.
  Various knobs etc.
  This thing IS driveable and I could put the wiper assy. back in, if someone 
wanted to drive it away.
  Over.
  Fred Moir
  Lynn MA
  N.B. If no takers it's to the breakers. Soon.
   

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[MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living

[archer]

Feel free to come and inspect our mountains in the Adirondack Region
of NY, if the wind blows you that far off course. the Adirondack Park
is comprised of 6,000,000 acres of public and private lands.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Looked Adirondack Park up on an Eastern US map.  That place is "big" and its 
way up there.  It looks like that from Dave Gilmores place in W.Va I could 
go to Pittsburgh, take   I-79 to Erie, and I-90 to I-87 which goes right 
through the Park.  From there I'm guessing one could pick a route to Maine 
that would avoid heavy traffic nearer the coast.  Never have been further 
north in New England than Boston.

Thanks,
Gerry 

[MBZ] late spring

[redghost]

More cars to consider for late spring.  Delete as needed

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/171228993.html  -- 97 e300d

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/171208048.html  -- amg

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/171131110.html  --  stick 240D $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/171119987.html  --  trade SL for 
kitchen


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/170909301.html  --free w114


Decided to just list the interesting ones.  There are more to be had, 
but who is willing to pay $7800 and above for some old 300TD?



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Re: [MBZ] Kemp Auto Museum

[RELNGSON]

> <>
> 
Pretty sad website. No photo of the SSK they claim to have although it would 
be their most valuable car. Two photos identified as 190E 2.3-16s and neither 
one is. In fact one is a 123 coupe. The other looks like an ordinary 201. And 
they misspelled Porsche. And the Porsche is not a 356. It's a 356C or SC.

RLE
> 
>