Re: [MBZ] people in iowa must smoke too many corn cobs
Actually, that is a floater. Most floaters have moved in from Calif. Maharishi International University is in Fairfield. They get groups together and meditate for world peace and for being able to sell their car for 4 times what its worth. Not a native Awan: 99% probability At 05:27 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1985-Mercedes-300-series-turbo-diesel-rare-condition_W0QQitemZ130065479989QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] OT -- Navigator wings and ribbons on the priest
Captain Engler, USN (Ret) said, We've earned the right to salute. AMEN. Wilton Strickland LtCol, USAF (Ret)
Re: [MBZ] people in iowa must smoke too many corn cobs
Ah, Fairfield. I imagine the car gets pretty good mpg in levitation mode. Or at least the tires last forever. On 1/4/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that is a floater. Most floaters have moved in from Calif. Maharishi International University is in Fairfield. They get groups together and meditate for world peace and for being able to sell their car for 4 times what its worth. -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
[MBZ] Used parts specials for 1/4/07
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Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
James Zavesky wrote: I'll bring in E320's from time to time and irregardless if it's a small 6, 8 or 12 cylinder they all ping when run on back to back tanks of regular. We alternate tanks between Shell premium and super with no ill effects on all the cars. knocking is non existant. Won't run regualr as I don't want to spend $1600 for a pair of MAS air flow sensors. While I don't doubt that regular fuel can cause damage to that engine, I doubt the airflow sensors are going to be the victims. They don't see any gas, just air.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Just when it can't get any worse
Be sure to call all three credit agencies and have them put a fraud alert on your account. Also pull a credit report from each of them. If the identity thieves have gotten that far they may already have some cards you don't know about yet!
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT: Octane rating question
Rich Thomas wrote: I got to wondering why this was. I was thinking it might have something to do with altitude, and lower octane being OK, but that does not take turbos into account. Or the MBTE/ethanol lack? So, can someone explain this? From what I've read in the Gasoline FAQ, it's because the lower oxygen content in the air makes the fuel burn slower, reducing the octane requirement. As you noted, turbos are a bit of a special case, but most turbos have knock sensors and will cut back on boost and/or timing advance as needed to prevent knocking.
Re: [MBZ] NO GLOW exhaust hangers
OK Don wrote: Actually, you can argue with the meter in the under 1 ohm range - dirt on the glow plug post could easily account for an extra 0.3 ohms. Unless you have a very high quality meter and probes and very clean connection points, I'd consider the under 1 ohm readings as ball park. As Jim said, you need to measure current to be sure. What to do? I replace all of them at once - and save those that might be good for emergencies, since I don't keep new ones in stock like I do oil and fuel filters. Although the latter was replaced within the last 12 months, I can't argue with the meter! Very few analog meters can read low resistance accurately and while some digital meters are a little better, they are still seldom accurate or even consistent when the measurement is repeated. Measuring low resistance accurately requires specialized instrumentation. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Regular
I'll bring in E320's from time to time and irregardless if it's a small 6, 8 or 12 cylinder they all ping when run on back to back tanks of regular. We alternate tanks between Shell premium and super with no ill effects on all the cars. knocking is non existant. Won't run regualr as I don't want to spend $1600 for a pair of MAS air flow sensors. If you can find an E320 powered by anything but a 3.2 V-6 I'd be surprised. Unless it's a new Bluetec. And I'm still waiting to hear how octane can effect the airflow sensor. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Diesels at altitude
I did notice that diesels don't even notice the thinner air and there were alot of diesel cars and trucks there. As long as they are turbo'd. Otherwise RLE
Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
Prior to 1972 ALL Mercedes gasoline engines delivered to the US required
91 octane, between '72 and '85 87 octane fuel was fine (for US delivered
cars). Starting in 1986 all models except the '86 190E 2.3 required 91
octane ('87 and later 190E 2.3 required 91 octane too) and that is true
thru 2000 (I expect the 21st century engines require 91 too, but I don't
have official papers that say so!
Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
Hi Marshall,
I bet you do have the papers that say so...I would guess that if you
compare compression ratios, those years with lower octane ratings should
have correspondingly lower compression ratios.
Just speculation but sounds very logical, at least to me.
Mike
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Prior to 1972 ALL Mercedes gasoline engines delivered to the US required
91 octane, between '72 and '85 87 octane fuel was fine (for US delivered
cars). Starting in 1986 all models except the '86 190E 2.3 required 91
octane ('87 and later 190E 2.3 required 91 octane too) and that is true
thru 2000 (I expect the 21st century engines require 91 too, but I don't
have official papers that say so!
Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] speaking of ULSD
Peter Frederick wrote: Actually, it turned out that removing lead from gasoline REDUCED valve wear -- lead oxide is an abrasive, and far from collecting and making a wear resistant surface, it was actively grinding on the valves and seat as the valve operated. Fine lead oxide particles made their way into the oil as well, nicely polishing the oil carrying hone marks off the cylinder walls and slowly reducing the size of crankshaft journals and wrist pins. Engines last much longer without the lead than with it. Not the same with sulfur containing compounds in diesel fuel, though -- they provide most of the lubrication qualities. I believer there are now additives in the fuel to restore it's lubricating properties. Peter Sulfur provides NOTHING beneficial for a diesel engine. The residue from the combustion of high (5000 ppm) or low (500 ppm) sulfur fuel is very corrosive to engine surfaces and requires powerful additives and/or frequent oil changes to neutralize. Removing sulfur however (using older refining techniques) also removes other fuel fractions that provide lubrication. If it's not replaced, the resulting fuel after the sulfur is removed has lower lubricity. If the lubricity is restored, the resulting fuel is much superior to the low sulfur (500 ppm) diesel. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
So is Warshington; we just kvetch a lot about noobs, that's all. On 1/4/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said anybody wasn't welcome, Maine is a very welcoming state. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] ATF Type A??
perfect, Marshall; thanks for that. i was curious if you'd used both M1 and MTL and found a difference between them; i can't imagine why anyone would do that, but i wouldn't have been surprised if you (or someone you knew of) had done it just for the sake of experimentation! FWIW, i've found a huge difference when putting MTL into both old and new manual boxes (not MBZs); the difference was truly amazing. i wonder if your mechanic had put the proper D4ATF (or whatever) Redline fluid into your machine instead of the MTL if you would have found it better or worse,... but like i said, why would anyone unless they wanted to go through the trouble just for experimentation; so we may never know! ;-) cheers! e Marshall Booth wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: Marshall, am looking forward to your clarification, and answers to the question raised. The only Red Line fluid I have tried was the MTL (I didn't put it in, my mechanic did and I REALLY didn't like it - changed it within 3kmi). I'm sure that their ATF is rather like Mobil 1 ATF - maybe a tad better or worse (hard for me to imagine it being better since M-1 works so WONDERFULLY compared to type A or conventional Dexron III ATFs). Being able to buy it wherever M-1 products are sold is an advantage to me. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
We've had an especially wet wet wet Autumn and Winter, so far...oh ya, and really really high winds, too. You know, the kind that knock yer power out for 7 days. On 1/4/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a different Washington note: How about the weather - the news is now officially blaming El Nino and, more interestingly, global warming for the wierd weather across the country. We are enjoying a downright balmy winter so far here in MN. And WA is getting a ton of rainstorms apparently. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] W201 Manuals
The technical data books look like the closest thing I see -- http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/cstmsearch.asp?MYID=-1SDID=-1MDID=1318ENID=-1catalog_name=Retail My wife ordered two technical data books for me for Christmas, and got an email saying that they were back ordered! Ahhh... think I found the page for it, but they don't have a W201 manual. Or a W124 manual either... do you know when they moved to the new system? Maybe thats why it isn't there... Here is the page I found: http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/default.asp John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] W201 Manuals
See the subject line -- [MBZ] W201 Manuals W123? W210? OM606? -j. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT: Just when it can't get any worse
So annoying. Life without a credit card stinks. I'd gotten so used to flying cash-less. Take the password back off, and be flying cash-less again real soon! :-) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Da G'mnt shouldn't be in the marriage bidness to begin with. They should just enforce contractual agreements between consenting parties, and leave the vexing morality plays to those WGAS about such silliness. I had an entirely secular state-sanctioned contract signing ceremony, officiated by a district judge, taking place in within the state capitol dome, of all places. Why should that be denied to any two consenting adults? On 1/4/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not hating on homosexuals. Life is teaching me that I can't do that. But denying them access to the institution of marriage is no more discrimation than my being denied access to the million mile club, or the lady's tennis club. I just don't have the specific qualifications. Let's maybe form something like a nation-wide civil union with full marriage benefits? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
Keep in mind that you can always buy the car back for its salvage value if they do total it. It'll have a salvage title, though, which will forever reduce its resale value and may make it hard to get collision or comprehensive insurance on. 'They' can do no such thing, because 'they' neither own the car nor have a contract with you, nor are you required to give them the car in order to be paid for damages. (Though what they'd prefer could well be different.) Probably doesn't apply to no-fault states, and certainly doesn't when _you_ claim against _your_ insurance, where a pre-existing contract applies. Just some more free lawyerly advice from an engineer. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Jim Cathey wrote: The improved 'donuts' have chain or something inside the rubber so they don't stretch out. -- Jim The donuts that you refer to as improved (they have a metal core) are specific to certain models and should not be used on other models. Simply get the correct part for your specific car! The proper hangers should easily last 10+ years unless you do a lot of off-roading. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Regular
On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can find an E320 powered by anything but a 3.2 V-6 I'd be surprised. Unless it's a new Bluetec. Oddly enough I was at the dealer today picking up a part and they had just roll a new 2007 BlueTec diesel off the truck and you couldn't tell it was a diesel unless you stuck your head right down in front of the rad between the headlamps. Then you could heard it was a diesel, but not from anywhere else. John 1983 300TDt 374k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
[MBZ] 220D doors
Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices?
Yes - but the 450 117 engine in the SLC calls for 87. Of course, it only has 8:1 compression, and the performance to prove it. Does anyone here put low-grade in their MB gassers? -j. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Dented 300CD
next encounter with the insurance dork, just tell them to talk to your lawyer and see how fast they come up with numbers that you like. On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:15 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote: Follow up on the 300CD.would not increase the $2300 offer on the car so instead are going to repair it. The body shop manager/estimator tried to talk some sense into the insurance guy stating that although it has 310K miles on it one look at the vehicle and you tell it's been well looked after. Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
So did I - when were the Lister engines produced? On 1/4/07, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I was thinking you we're talking about the engine Lister R- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
You can still get them new from India. Check out www.utterpower.com. This guy imports them, as well as other old-timey simple diesels. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom deluxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span So did I - when were the Lister engines produced? On 1/4/07, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here I was thinking you we're talking about the engine Lister R- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sorta OT: Octane rating question
A Diesel without an ADA or ALDA will certainly notice it! My '70 220D lost a lot of power, and smoked badly in the mountains! My '76 300D had a manual adjustment on the IP for altitude - I think it was in 1000 meter increments (but that was a long time ago). I did notice that diesels don't even notice the thinner air and there were alot of diesel cars and trucks there. Harry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: By this do you mean press pedal all the way down and release, or press pedal all the way down and hold there? Above freezing: Turn key to glow. wait for light to go out+15 sec. Turn key to start. Hold key in start until engine fires regularly. (Release key) Below freezing: Turn key to glow. wait for light to go out. wait 15 more sec (depress accelerator fully here). Turn key to start. Hold key in start until engine fires regularly. (Release key) slowly back off accelerator. It makes a BIG difference in cold starting. Pressing the accelerator while the engine is spinning is VERY different than while the engine is dead still. I have used this procedure on a dead cold engine (overnight sit with morning temp of 14F) without plugging it in, without problem. I didn't bother with the cord last winter, and this winter... well in baltimore, daffodils are coming up. -j.
Re: [MBZ] speaking of ULSD
Yup - or to quote the list administrator - read the archives. On 1/4/07, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. That was rich. Chris I had a flashback when I saw this email. --R -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] list mail
sheesh, everyone is SO chatty here lately. I'm going to hide out on digest until the traffic slows down to around 100 emails a day. 200+ is WAYYY TOOO many for me to handle right now. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] speaking of ULSD
Well, actually the sulfur containing compounds are the ones providing much of the lubricating qualities -- the vast majority of most diesel fuel is linear hydrocarbons, not particularly good lubricants. The aromatic fraction contains the sulfur. Sulfur comes out of the refinery in tank trucks containing molten sulfur these days. Need a few? Sulfur also promotes even burning and reduces smoke (particulates) because it changes oxidation states easily. Not required, of course, but it does more than just corrode things. I think the primary reason for removing it, other than reducing sulfuric acid emissions, is that it poisons the catalytic systems for nitric oxides reduction. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
RENT? Try to buy some place to live for under a quarter million. Broom closet condos are going for better than $240k On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:30 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: Dude, I've met folks just like that. I'm just the messenger. This state is plum full of kooks. I think people just got kind of tired, during the 90s, of Californians moving into the area, driving rent up to extraordinary levels, and then whining about the rain. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Using lower octane fuel
My C320 requires premium fuel but a few years ago there was such a price spread between premium and mid-grade that I thought I'd try it. I didn't notice any real difference in power and don't recall whether there was a drop in mileage or not. Since the M112 V6 has knock sensors, they would hear any detonation before I did anyway and retard the timing. But, the timing is retarded only until the detected sound goes away and normal timing is then restored almost instantly. This is done on per-cylinder basis. Turbocharged (and supercharged,, perhaps?) gassers also reduce boost at the same time and have done so for more than twenty years but that effects the entire engine. I mentioned to one of our local factory reps that I was trying mid-grade and he said that when warm weather returned I should go back to 92 octane. Speaking of M112 V6s, I dropped in to the dealer yesterday to make a repair appointment and drove into the shop to have my personal MB tech order the parts and I saw an M112 block on the engine stand with a sizable hole in it's side. Laying nearby was a connecting rod twisted in two at the midpoint. Seems that during our Wet Period recently, the driver of the vehicle from whence the parts came didn't appreciate the significance of the bow wave of water in front of his car. Even after the noise and the car came to a halt, he restarted it to drive to shore. I imagine the sound of the lower half of a connecting round spinning around in there might continue to be noisy. Inhaling a quantity of water into the intake resulting in hydrolock is to be avoided. His insurance will pay to repair, not replace it due to the $14K cost of a crate motor. The crankshaft is thought to be bent, also. RLE
[MBZ] PHX CL W123 Parts
Parts, parts, parts. If I didn't have to work tomorrow, I'd go look. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/pts/257285507.html Bob R. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 03:38:14 2007 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2fuI-0001rR-H1 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:38:14 + Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so6609856nfe for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.113.6 with SMTP id l6mr2225978buc.1167968101038; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.118.1 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:35:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:35:00 -0600 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:38:14 - I know - but when did Lister produce them? On 1/4/07, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can still get them new from India. Check out www.utterpower.com. This guy imports them, as well as other old-timey simple diesels. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
There are far more queens here than there are colored folk. Used to be called the Queen City. The less fay were able to compromise with the Judy Garland loving cross dressers and called it the Emerald City. Changed the county name to support a black man recently. On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:33 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm a vegetarian environmentalist who is against gay marriage and handouts for illegals (for example). Homosexuals seem to be one of the few minorities it's still okay to discriminate against. I've always found it striking that the arguments against gay marriage are mostly the same ones that were used against interracial marriage, back when that was illegal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
If you like adjusting valves, buy a 300CD. It's MUCH more fun to drive than the SD. Specially when you have an SDL or '87 TD around... see my signature line for refrences :) On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:01:34 -0600, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe if I hit the powerball and had to live somewhere I would, after i bought a new ACC servo, buy a house in Maine. And drive the old '77 300D? Cool! If I was in such a situation, I would consider moving up to a 1986-7 300SDL or a W124 300TD wagon. Hheck, with that kind of jackpot, I could afford to buy them all along with a nice property with plenty of garages to house them all! Of course, the old '83 300SD would stay too since it would still be fun to adjust valves once in a while. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Oh heck, just let the faeries get wed and go through all the legal hassle hetero folks deal with. Get divorced once and you will not be so willing to mess around with that institution again. Might as well bar stupid people from breeding while we are at it. At least the gay folk will not be popping out babies left and right. They get to fly to china to purchase bundles of joy. On Jan 4, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not hating on homosexuals. Life is teaching me that I can't do that. But denying them access to the institution of marriage is no more discrimation than my being denied access to the million mile club, or the lady's tennis club. I just don't have the specific qualifications. Let's maybe form something like a nation-wide civil union with full marriage benefits? Brian On 1/4/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David made the observation: Homosexuals seem to be one of the few minorities it's still okay to discriminate against. I've always found it striking that the arguments against gay marriage are mostly the same ones that were used against interracial marriage, back when that was illegal. Amen. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Redghost wrote: RENT? Try to buy some place to live for under a quarter million. Broom closet condos are going for better than $240k I guess I'll stay in Michigan. I'm fixin' to offer 25k on a 2.8 acre hillside, with frontage on two paved roads, about 300 yards from a freeway exit. Figure it'll cost me another 70k or so (and 1000-1500 hours) to put a 2200 sq ft house 3 car garage on it. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
Someone doing a doctoral dissertation on chaos theory should study our threads! We can go to who is the oldest here to I am 74 to you can still get them new from India in less than a half dozen posts. Love it. D. On 1/4/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know - but when did Lister produce them? On 1/4/07, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can still get them new from India. Check out www.utterpower.com . This guy imports them, as well as other old-timey simple diesels. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
We might just wash away if it continues. Saturated soil will result in lost tree cover and with the steep slopes, the whole mess will slide into Puget Sound or one of the many wetlands. Going to begin my ark in a week. Figure there is enough free wood to be had on CL to make it meet the cubit requirements in the good book. On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: On a different Washington note: How about the weather - the news is now officially blaming El Nino and, more interestingly, global warming for the wierd weather across the country. We are enjoying a downright balmy winter so far here in MN. And WA is getting a ton of rainstorms apparently. Brian On 1/4/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said anybody wasn't welcome, Maine is a very welcoming state. -Curt Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:21:40 -0800 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I like that Maine humor. It's the only other state I could imagine living for an extended period. Obviously, that wouldn't make me a native, nor even welcome. I constantly give my wife grief because she was born in Virginia, yet claims to be a WA native. She moved out to Seattle at age three months. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
We aim to please! Remember - Chaos is the ultimate nature of the universe. On 1/4/07, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone doing a doctoral dissertation on chaos theory should study our threads! We can go to who is the oldest here to I am 74 to you can still get them new from India in less than a half dozen posts. Love it. D. -- OK Don, too young to enter the oldest and too old to enter the youngest contests!
[MBZ] Electric Vacuum pump
Kaleb - do you have an electric vacuum pump? The actuator pods in the SLC are leaking like crazy - accelerate a little, and the ACC fan turns off. An electric vacuum pump might get me by until I can tear the dash out and replace all those pesky pods. The good news is that even after sitting for three years, the ACC servo works fine (knocking on wood). -- OK Don, blowing the doors off the Diesels in my SLC - passing everything except the gas stations.
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
I pick up some doors from a poor fellow who got power back X-mas eve. Two weeks no power, and now he is trying to replace his roof, but the neighborhood nazis came after him. He was afraid I was another inspector come to shut him down for doing the job himself without approval from the association. Warshington is Big on process, but heaven forbid you get anything done On Jan 4, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: We've had an especially wet wet wet Autumn and Winter, so far...oh ya, and really really high winds, too. You know, the kind that knock yer power out for 7 days. On 1/4/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a different Washington note: How about the weather - the news is now officially blaming El Nino and, more interestingly, global warming for the wierd weather across the country. We are enjoying a downright balmy winter so far here in MN. And WA is getting a ton of rainstorms apparently. Casey -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
For $25k you can find some land on the escarpments of low lying mountains on the dry side of the state. Around 22k sqft with no utilities for miles On Jan 4, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Redghost wrote: RENT? Try to buy some place to live for under a quarter million. Broom closet condos are going for better than $240k I guess I'll stay in Michigan. I'm fixin' to offer 25k on a 2.8 acre hillside, with frontage on two paved roads, about 300 yards from a freeway exit. Figure it'll cost me another 70k or so (and 1000-1500 hours) to put a 2200 sq ft house 3 car garage on it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:43:00 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fixin' to offer 25k on a 2.8 acre hillside, with frontage on two paved roads, about 300 yards from a freeway exit. Guess you don't mind freeway noise ... Craig
Re: [MBZ] list mail
yea right mr zippy Luther wrote: sheesh, everyone is SO chatty here lately. I'm going to hide out on digest until the traffic slows down to around 100 emails a day. 200+ is WAYYY TOOO many for me to handle right now. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Electric Vacuum pump
You mean from a later car that has electric pump for the door locks? OK Don wrote: Kaleb - do you have an electric vacuum pump? The actuator pods in the SLC are leaking like crazy - accelerate a little, and the ACC fan turns off. An electric vacuum pump might get me by until I can tear the dash out and replace all those pesky pods. The good news is that even after sitting for three years, the ACC servo works fine (knocking on wood). -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Craig McCluskey wrote: Guess you don't mind freeway noise ... 2 lanes each way, WIDE median full of pine trees absorbs some of the sound. It's not that bad really. My boss lives on the next exit three miles away, he might be 50-100 yards closer to I-69, I can't hear the fwy at all in his house with the windows closed. My 190Dt is even closer to I-69, sitting in a field, I rarely notice the road noise when I'm messing with the car. Maybe I'm losing my hearing. 35 years ago I lived 3/4 mile away from US 27, and I could hear the trucks clearly. The train track one mile from where I live now does bother me sometimes, I can hear it as I type now, and the windows are indeed closed. Mitch. Mitch.
[MBZ] Cockpits
http;//uscockpits.com:80/ RLE
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Or even 3 or 4 for that matter! --R Zeitgeist wrote: Why should that be denied to any two consenting adults?
Re: [MBZ] speaking of ULSD
Uh, it wasn't that kind of flashback... --R OK Don wrote: Yup - or to quote the list administrator - read the archives. On 1/4/07, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. That was rich. Chris I had a flashback when I saw this email. --R
Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
Funny, my motorcycle (1999 Honda CBR1100XX) has a ratio of 11:1 and it runs on RUG-87. It also Compression ratio can't be the only factor in determining octane rating required. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/97opensb/honda.html :) Tim 1982 300TD 1991 300TE 4Matic --- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:55:39 -0500 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL That's what I was looking for...Compression ratio that high most certainly requires high test. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If thats the 300 SL I'm thinking about its 10.5:1
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
I'm in the younger group, but I don't think I'm the youngest at 22. John Bob Rentfro wrote: I have no intention of getting a ridiculous thread going, but I need to find out the youngest and the elder-est lister...age span of the listers. This will settle a bet with SWMBO. Anyone in their 30's thru 60's keep still. I hope this doesn't get out of hand. Thanks Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 Tranny Fluid Capacity
Thanks everyone! Especially for the reminder about the 3-4 qt initial fill-up. Changing the tranny fluid is messy enough as it is don't need any more mess on top of it! It was so nice to have a drain plug... the SD doesn't and it sure makes a difference!!! John
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Pershiate it. Brian On 1/4/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: By this do you mean press pedal all the way down and release, or press pedal all the way down and hold there? Above freezing: Turn key to glow. wait for light to go out+15 sec. Turn key to start. Hold key in start until engine fires regularly. (Release key) Below freezing: Turn key to glow. wait for light to go out. wait 15 more sec (depress accelerator fully here). Turn key to start. Hold key in start until engine fires regularly. (Release key) slowly back off accelerator. It makes a BIG difference in cold starting. Pressing the accelerator while the engine is spinning is VERY different than while the engine is dead still. I have used this procedure on a dead cold engine (overnight sit with morning temp of 14F) without plugging it in, without problem. I didn't bother with the cord last winter, and this winter... well in baltimore, daffodils are coming up. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electric Vacuum pump
Yup. Or for anything else for that matter - it just has to suck a lot! On 1/4/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean from a later car that has electric pump for the door locks? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] W201 Manuals
OK Don wrote: The technical data books look like the closest thing I see -- http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/cstmsearch.asp?MYID=-1SDID=-1MDID=1318ENID=-1catalog_name=Retail My wife ordered two technical data books for me for Christmas, and got an email saying that they were back ordered! Hrmm... whenever those come in would you mind posting about how good of a reference they are? I would still prefer digital (lot easier to get grease off of the manual by pressing the print button again), but I guess I have to take what I can get! Thanks!! John
[MBZ] Ford Transit at the Nurburgring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE6Afb1qSC4
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
neighborhood nazis came after him. He was afraid I was another inspector come to shut him down for doing the job himself without approval from the association. No way will I ever live anywhere with those wretched covenants. They're even putting them on rural acreage! Our neighbors, on 10 acres, have one. For $25k you can find some land on the escarpments of low lying mountains on the dry side of the state. Around 22k sqft with no utilities for miles The dry side (where I live) is the bulk of the state. You've just got to get further away from Seattle than Cle Elum! It gets a whole lot cheaper away from anything interesting. Of course, there's a reason. The greater Seattle area has gotten stupid pricing. Say what, 10-15 years ago? 'Round the time of that big California earthquake. For some reason, housing prices in Spokane also shot up at that time. Kick an anthill sometime and see what you get. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. Any wing-window grays? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 5 speed getrag
In a message dated 1/4/2007 3:13:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I got to looking at the MB 5 speed getrag I have. I dont see any 7xx type number on it, only thing it has is a couple of 117 part numbers on the case. This tranny has the bell housing for starter on the drivers side, like the older ones. Its removable so could a person install the later bell housing with starter on passenger side if they wanted to use it in a newer car, diesel or a 16 valve maybe? OK, what makes you think the starter mounts on the driver's side? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
TimothyPilgrim wrote: Funny, my motorcycle (1999 Honda CBR1100XX) has a ratio of 11:1 and it runs on RUG-87. It also Compression ratio can't be the only factor in determining octane rating required. Modern electronic ignition and fuel injection have allowed manufacturers to run higher compression with the same octane ratings without knock. Most modern engines have knock sensors and run right on the edge of pinging all the time, with the ECU dialing back the ignition advance when it sees the first signs of it.
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
For $25k you can find some land on the escarpments of low lying mountains on the dry side of the state. Around 22k sqft with no utilities for miles Did you see a while back when someone was auctioning off an old Titan missile silo near Moses Lake? Had power on site and everything. All I could think of was that it would make a great undergroundlair for an aspiring Bond-style supervillain.
Re: [MBZ] Ford Transit at the Nurburgring
Top Gear is awesome... some other videos to look at are their Caravan vacation and cheap Porsche challenge On an MB note: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ls2q_1Bgw4 Would love to take my car there!! John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE6Afb1qSC4 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 Tranny Fluid Capacity
John, thought most MB's of the 70's-90's had a drain plug for the TC as well as the tranny. On 1/4/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone! Especially for the reminder about the 3-4 qt initial fill-up. Changing the tranny fluid is messy enough as it is don't need any more mess on top of it! It was so nice to have a drain plug... the SD doesn't and it sure makes a difference!!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Just when it can't get any worse
Speaking of cashless, before too long, a crook would have to cut off a piece of your person in order to defraud you so. May things go better for ya real soon, guy. Brian Man, all types of intersting topics lately. Will have MB question soon - guaranteed. On 1/4/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So annoying. Life without a credit card stinks. I'd gotten so used to flying cash-less. Take the password back off, and be flying cash-less again real soon! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Love it! Original with you? May I use it? Brian Jim wrote: Kick an anthill sometime and see what you get.
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
I need the plastic door threshold piece on driver and pass side (not on the door but on the threshold) Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] 220D doors Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
I thought I was the youngest at 26 ... whoops. On 1/4/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the younger group, but I don't think I'm the youngest at 22. John Bob Rentfro wrote: I have no intention of getting a ridiculous thread going, but I need to find out the youngest and the elder-est lister...age span of the listers. This will settle a bet with SWMBO. Anyone in their 30's thru 60's keep still. I hope this doesn't get out of hand. Thanks Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] take over slk320AMG lease $0.10 per mile
http://www.leasetrade.com/find_a_lease/vehicle_detail.cfm?ID=1519make_name1=Mercedes-Benz It's got 2100 miles on it, with 5 months remaining on the lease. 30k+ miles available to use in those five months.
Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
Compression ratio is the biggest factor in octane requirement..Higher compression = more chance of preignition and dictates use of higher octane fuel Ask any performance engine builder if an engine with higher than 10:1 compression will require high octane to keep preignition to a minimum. Timing is the next most relevant factor. Mike - Original Message - From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL Funny, my motorcycle (1999 Honda CBR1100XX) has a ratio of 11:1 and it runs on RUG-87. It also Compression ratio can't be the only factor in determining octane rating required. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/97opensb/honda.html :) Tim 1982 300TD 1991 300TE 4Matic --- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:55:39 -0500 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL That's what I was looking for...Compression ratio that high most certainly requires high test. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If thats the 300 SL I'm thinking about its 10.5:1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL
Detonation occurs in the combustion chamber, opposite the spark plug. As the flame front burns across the chamber, heat pressure builds up until the remaining gas explodes. With higher compression, you already have more stored heat in the charge, making detonation more likely. Higher octane gas burns slower than lower octane gas, reducing the pressure heat. This allows you to run higher compression. Timing can also help because reducing spark advance delays when the spark starts puts the piston further down (lower pressure) when the flame front is moving across the head. Compression ratio is important but head design is just as important. Chrylser's Hemi engine runs higher compression because of its domed combustion chamber centered spark plug. The design has a very short flame front because it travels from the center out. A wedge design can't come close because the flame has to travel from one side to the other (twice the distance), giving more time for detonation. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL Compression ratio is the biggest factor in octane requirement..Higher compression = more chance of preignition and dictates use of higher octane fuel Ask any performance engine builder if an engine with higher than 10:1 compression will require high octane to keep preignition to a minimum. Timing is the next most relevant factor. Mike - Original Message - From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL Funny, my motorcycle (1999 Honda CBR1100XX) has a ratio of 11:1 and it runs on RUG-87. It also Compression ratio can't be the only factor in determining octane rating required. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/97opensb/honda.html :) Tim 1982 300TD 1991 300TE 4Matic --- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:55:39 -0500 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] compression ratio 300SL That's what I was looking for...Compression ratio that high most certainly requires high test. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If thats the 300 SL I'm thinking about its 10.5:1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 5 speed getrag
its the passenger side where it mounts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2007 3:13:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I got to looking at the MB 5 speed getrag I have. I dont see any 7xx type number on it, only thing it has is a couple of 117 part numbers on the case. This tranny has the bell housing for starter on the drivers side, like the older ones. Its removable so could a person install the later bell housing with starter on passenger side if they wanted to use it in a newer car, diesel or a 16 valve maybe? OK, what makes you think the starter mounts on the driver's side? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] Moose Day
Happy wishes for your first Friday of 2007inline: 864-watch-out.jpg -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] What does pink tranny fluid mean?
What makes tranny fluid turn pink? Air? Water? ???I also found some white stuff on the bottom of the pan as well... I attached some pics of the transmission pan. The mark in the white stuff is from me wiping my finger through it. Thanks!! John 84 190D 79 300SD inline: IMG_1537.JPGinline: IMG_1541.JPGinline: IMG_1542.JPG
Re: [MBZ] What does pink tranny fluid mean?
Its water. I had that problem when I first got that car so I swapped out the radiator. Took quite a while and several fluid changes/flushed but got it all cleaned out. Its got to be either leaking again from the radiator or rainwater is somehow getting in. In any case, if it turns out to be the radiator let me know I have another one. John Robbins wrote: What makes tranny fluid turn pink? Air? Water? ???I also found some white stuff on the bottom of the pan as well... I attached some pics of the transmission pan. The mark in the white stuff is from me wiping my finger through it. Thanks!! John 84 190D 79 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] Adblkue/Bluetec question
I was behind a freightliner the other day and noticed a peculiar smell from the exhaust (when I wasn't behind it I didn't smell it)... the odor was that of feline urine Any chance that this is a result of a poorly tuned aqueous ammonia injection system (Adblue/bluetec) such as is used by the MBE900's in newer trucks? Oh, and whats the preferred method for removal of avian fecal deposits from cars? (I know that prevention is much better, but Baltimore city gets kinda annoyed when you start popping an air rifle off to deal with feathered miscreants who have nothing better to do than decorate your vehicles.) -j. (See, no four letter words ;) From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 14:38:53 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2qDd-0002Ix-BB for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:38:53 + Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id 20070105143539m1300irk4qe; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:35:39 + Received: from [208.27.111.119] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:35:37 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:35:37 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ATT Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: andyZWFtZXNAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas vs. diesel prices? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:38:53 - $2.49/gal this morning (Gasmart in VA, US15, just south of the Potomac) -j. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 15:10:39 2007 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2qiN-0005ku-J0 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:10:39 + Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1992328ana for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.112.19 with SMTP id k19mr17217743anc.1168009643566; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.190.12 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:07:23 -0500 From: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] 1955 Gullwing - Apparently Found in Barn? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:10:40 - http://www.astonmartin-lotus.com/inventory/index.php?page_function=detailproduct_id=505 I'm afraid to even call and ask any one want to lay odds and take bets on the number of zeros? -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Kick an anthill sometime and see what you get. Love it! Original with you? May I use it? I have no idea. But don't let that stop you! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Did you see a while back when someone was auctioning off an old Titan missile silo near Moses Lake? Had power on site and everything. All I could think of was that it would make a great underground lair for an aspiring Bond-style supervillain. I've heard of those being turned into offsite archive storage facilities. Great advertising: Proof against even a nuclear strike! Might be fun to live in. Honey, it's such a beautiful day why don't we open the sunroof? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: Just when it can't get any worse
Good advice, I'm on it. -Curt Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:23:24 -0800 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Just when it can't get any worse To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Be sure to call all three credit agencies and have them put a fraud alert on your account. Also pull a credit report from each of them. If the identity thieves have gotten that far they may already have some cards you don't know about yet! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 15:48:27 2007 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2rIx-HF-NP for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:48:27 + Received: (qmail 87504 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 15:39:41 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 15:39:41 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:47:33 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Washington State X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:48:27 - On my way back from CO we drove past what appeared to be some missile silos along I70. I don't know if they are still active or not, but looked like they were in use for something. It got creepy going to Salinas KS (see The Day After). --R Jim Cathey wrote: Did you see a while back when someone was auctioning off an old Titan missile silo near Moses Lake? Had power on site and everything. All I could think of was that it would make a great underground lair for an aspiring Bond-style supervillain.
Re: [MBZ] MB Classic Certificate
Not sure what a build record is. I do have a paper copy of the factory data card. If this is the same as the build record I wonder whether they translate the various codes relating to color, engine and trans. no., options, etc. or is it just a serious of puzzling numbers in litttle boxes? On 1/4/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - I don't know of any competitor to D-C that would have access to the build records. All I know is that in the past, I have received almost all the certificate data in plain text form via Email at no cost, from MBUSA. The certificate from the Classic Center is very suitable for framing, as opposed to an ordinary Email printout! Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Classic Certificate I suppose one could always try to but it cheaper from a competitor... NOT! I may order one before they realize their monopoly power to set the price just about anywhere they wanted to... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Things are looking up
If you call Equifax 1-800-685- and make a fraud alert they automatically post it to TransUnion and Experion, no need to call all three. Maybe this'll come out okay -Curt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 15:56:22 2007 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2rQc-e3-8M for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:56:22 + Received: from WFlaptop ([141.150.249.119]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:53:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:52:19 -0500 From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Washington State X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:56:22 - I've never been inside a Titan I complex, but IIRC they had to raise the bird before firing, while the Titan II fired from within a deep silo. I was one of the Resident Engineers at the Little Rock Titan II base (originally 18 silos, but one blew up years ago), and was impressed by the design and materials that went into building them. The silo cover alone weighted 700 tons, made up of some of the largest steel I-Beams you'll ever encounter and lots of concrete. About all the silos are good for nowadays is as a deep landfill; the access portal, blast doors, and underground control center would make a dandy tornado shelter, though! Werner - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Washington State For $25k you can find some land on the escarpments of low lying mountains on the dry side of the state. Around 22k sqft with no utilities for miles Did you see a while back when someone was auctioning off an old Titan missile silo near Moses Lake? Had power on site and everything. All I could think of was that it would make a great undergroundlair for an aspiring Bond-style supervillain.
Re: [MBZ] MB Classic Certificate
Andrew - when I used the tem build record, I meant the list of all the numbers associated with that particular car, including serial numbers, option codes, etc. And yes, they did decode the option numbers. Most of this data is in the original owner's manual insert, but that may be lost when the car goes though several owners. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Classic Certificate Not sure what a build record is. I do have a paper copy of the factory data card. If this is the same as the build record I wonder whether they translate the various codes relating to color, engine and trans. no., options, etc. or is it just a serious of puzzling numbers in litttle boxes?
Re: [MBZ] What does pink tranny fluid mean?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Its water. I had that problem when I first got that car so I swapped out the radiator. Took quite a while and several fluid changes/flushed but got it all cleaned out. Its got to be either leaking again from the radiator or rainwater is somehow getting in. In any case, if it turns out to be the radiator let me know I have another one. It could very well be rainwater... of the 10 hour drive back from your place about 7 hours of it was in rain. The tranny would puke about a quart or two of fluid after it was driven anywhere... and only when the car was off. If the car was on it would only drip occasionally. It looked like a bad pan gasket, but did you see similar symptoms from the water? Anything else I need to know?? ;) On a side note... I knew the cruise didn't work, but thought it was electrical like 99% of all cruise problems are. Didn't think to check if the cruise actuator was actually there... its not. Did it not get put back on after the head gasket was changed? Either way... you got any actuators?I need a second one for a project as well... Thanks! John
Re: [MBZ] OT: Spiders
Kaopectate and lots of it but don't hope for instant results. When I was in the Peace Corps, the PC office in Suva (Fiji) dispensed bottles of pills containing bismuth, pectin and paregoric for the inexorable diarrhea that greeted PCVs arriving in Fiji. The dosage was 6 tabs @ 2 hrs. (maybe even 30 minutes, IIRC) until the symptoms went away. I rarely needed a second dose. This medication is probably unavailable to USA residents. On 1/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use a bulb syinge and some warm water, but what ever you do don't swallow ;) Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Spiders Since I'm home sick (repeat after me, food poisoning is nothing you want) I'm desparate for entertainment. http://www.devilducky.com/media/55981/ BTW, somebody on here the other day mentioned he was a barfer. I'm not so this is a new (extremely unpleasant) experience for me. How do I get the barf bits out of my nose? -Curt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
My wife and I just spend $180k on a 900sqft ranch on 1/4 acre which was a BARGAIN in north central MA. We looked at a $100k house just to see what it'd buy, ~1000sqft house on ~1200sqft lot across the street from a pallet factory that works 24x7 blam blam blam SAW!!! blam blam blam The place was so filthy that my wife wouldn't even go in, I went in but wouldn't touch anything... You couldn't even tear it down and start over, the lot was worthless. Looked at a $120k house that didn't have interior access to the basement. They'd converted the attic into a room that was too short for me to stand up in... That one at least had potential. I figured if the housing market wasn't crappy you could put $60k into it and have a $200k house. My wife couldn't see it. -Curt Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:43:00 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Washington State To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Redghost wrote: RENT? Try to buy some place to live for under a quarter million. Broom closet condos are going for better than $240k I guess I'll stay in Michigan. I'm fixin' to offer 25k on a 2.8 acre hillside, with frontage on two paved roads, about 300 yards from a freeway exit. Figure it'll cost me another 70k or so (and 1000-1500 hours) to put a 2200 sq ft house 3 car garage on it. Mitch. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 16:15:19 2007 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2riw-0001KL-O8 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:15:19 + Received: from aceraspire (c-68-57-181-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net[68.57.181.125]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id 2007010516120001100ppnhqe; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:12:02 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:11:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:15:19 - Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Just a note, When its REALLY cold out, like 0F or colder you'll want to glow +15-30 secs twice. I've never found any real advantage in a third glow but the second glow does seem to make a difference. Then crank and HOLD. I guess I agree with the crowd that said pump the accelerator and hold half way. So all the way down and back maybe 3 times then hold midway and crank until it starts or the battery dies. If its 0F or colder you've only got one shot, make it a good one. -Curt Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:51:12 -0600 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Pershiate it. Brian On 1/4/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: By this do you mean press pedal all the way down and release, or press pedal all the way down and hold there? Above freezing: Turn key to glow. wait for light to go out+15 sec. Turn key to start. Hold key in start until engine fires regularly. (Release key) Below freezing: Turn key to glow. wait for light to go out. wait 15 more sec (depress accelerator fully here). Turn key to start. Hold key in start until engine fires regularly. (Release key) slowly back off accelerator. It makes a BIG difference in cold starting. Pressing the accelerator while the engine is spinning is VERY different than while the engine is dead still. I have used this procedure on a dead cold engine (overnight sit with morning temp of 14F) without plugging it in, without problem. I didn't bother with the cord last winter, and this winter... well in baltimore, daffodils are coming up. -j. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 16:24:53 2007 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2rsC-0001kc-Of for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:24:53 + Received: (qmail 40786 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2007 16:21:38 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-YMail-OSG: WC6jHFAVM1mRmlzpMTlQuQMuFlco8dja5UvbufKt Received: from [63.209.225.74] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:21:38 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:21:38 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:24:53 - I remember when I used to be the youngest at things, but at 30 I'm apparently an oldster... Heck when I still worked in tech support I was ANCIENT. -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 05:53:22 -0500 From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I thought I was the youngest at 26 ... whoops. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 16:28:56 2007 Received: from web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2rw8-0001qe-Ei for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:28:56 + Received: (qmail 39818 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2007 16:25:42 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-YMail-OSG: hvc5aQsVM1kDVu_bnOSBFuX7_l2T1JcS2o8ncZ5F3a3snDicwzIlKX5JWlRNhZa9agp70TS8qt.Ni3rNoiRgUrpQAF6bGAOU0VbiTwqGuXyja2Iw6Yz9BTFs4WE6lnI0ixyPC_H_sDHq5MY- Received: from [63.209.225.74] by web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:25:42 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:25:42 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel
Re: [MBZ] take over slk320AMG lease $0.10 per mile
Sheesh, I'd have a tough time doing that; I'm only good for about 45k/yr. -j. -- Original message -- From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow - I can see why such a lease is an expensive way to go. You're looking at $3500 just to use this car for 5 months, then another $30,000 to purchase? No way that any reasonable person can put on the remaining lease miles on this car in those 5 months, so ten cents per mile ends up realistically more like 50 or 60 cents... And its a 3 year old (going on 4 later this year) medium performance car - having been replaced by the SLK55 AMG for a few years already!) The present leaser really got taken to the cleaners, IMO - having driven the car so few miles. Assuming it was a 24 month lease, that means its cost him around $6/mile, + maintenance and operating expenses! Also, since when is an SLK a front wheel drive (FWD)?? Does anyone proof read these items??? Werner - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:20 AM Subject: [MBZ] take over slk320AMG lease $0.10 per mile http://www.leasetrade.com/find_a_lease/vehicle_detail.cfm?ID=1519make_name1=Mer cedes-Benz It's got 2100 miles on it, with 5 months remaining on the lease. 30k+ miles available to use in those five months. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 05 16:39:08 2007 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.225]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2s5z-0002HG-T7 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:39:08 + Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so7153530wxd for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr875686agb.1168014953568; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.93.18 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:35:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:35:52 -0500 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:39:08 - You are (or were in this case) using flared wrenches, right? I learned a long time ago to not even attempt most any brake fitting with a normal open end wrench... I'm sure at this point my dad would say something like get the torch, I would cringe at the though of how flammable brake fluid is, and then he would spend 2-15 minutes on it and have it emerge without issue... Levi (: On 1/5/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span
I was thinking the exact same thing when I read this, thinking how it was only a couple months ago that I was still in my twenties... (: Levi On 1/5/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember when I used to be the youngest at things, but at 30 I'm apparently an oldster... Heck when I still worked in tech support I was ANCIENT. -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 05:53:22 -0500 From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Lister Age Span To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I thought I was the youngest at 26 ... whoops. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves
Use a good penetrating oil like PB Blaster, applied liberally every 12 hours or so for a few days, and it should come out. If not, alternate between heat and penetrating oil. Ideally, the caliper should be off the car on the bench for safety. If you heat the area around with bleed screw with MAP gas or Oxyacetylene and hit it will penetrating oil, the oil gets sucked right in. Take your time and be careful and it should come out. Good luck! J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ At 11:11 AM 1/5/2007, you wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 1:34 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 1:34 PM
Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves
I find if things are stuck, a little penetrating oil and heat. I don't use a torch, I do it the old fashioned way, I drive the car and use the brakes. hee hee. Allow them to heat sink, which is pretty much what they are. I always drive the car a little and heat things up before working on my brakes. they get hot fast with just a little use, so toasty on the fingers. Give the oil a couple of days to work in if you can. Good luck Larrry, Zeb On 05/01/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adblkue/Bluetec question
j asked about the odor was that of feline urine No it is from some pee bomb human fluid which spilled during the filling process. The latest trick is to throw these pee bombs at cars for things like 1. Just being on the road, 2. not accelerating fast enough or 3. not going 90mph when being two inch tailgated.. 4. other reasons based on joy and happiness. I know, I have been hit by two in the last six months on the interstate in PA once I was able to finally get over and they passed me on the left. One hit my windshield and for the life of me I do not know how it did not break. Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: [MBZ] Adblkue/Bluetec question I was behind a freightliner the other day and noticed a peculiar smell from the exhaust (when I wasn't behind it I didn't smell it)... the odor was that of feline urine Any chance that this is a result of a poorly tuned aqueous ammonia injection system (Adblue/bluetec) such as is used by the MBE900's in newer trucks? Oh, and whats the preferred method for removal of avian fecal deposits from cars? (I know that prevention is much better, but Baltimore city gets kinda annoyed when you start popping an air rifle off to deal with feathered miscreants who have nothing better to do than decorate your vehicles.) -j. (See, no four letter words ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adblkue/Bluetec question
I understand another trick is to pee on the radiator of a car parked at a bar etc. Does not smell so good once the rad heats up. I have not had this happen to me but friends have told me they experienced this after attending a party. They were driving home on a beautiful warm night with the windows open and noted a distinct odor everytime they stopped at a traffic light. They later traced it to the front of their own car. A very nice old red Pontiac Parisienne (spelling?) - mid to late 60's with the big chrome strip down the console and right through the back seat to the speaker grill. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adblkue/Bluetec question j asked about the odor was that of feline urine No it is from some pee bomb human fluid which spilled during the filling process. The latest trick is to throw these pee bombs at cars for things like 1. Just being on the road, 2. not accelerating fast enough or 3. not going 90mph when being two inch tailgated.. 4. other reasons based on joy and happiness. I know, I have been hit by two in the last six months on the interstate in PA once I was able to finally get over and they passed me on the left. One hit my windshield and for the life of me I do not know how it did not break. Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: [MBZ] Adblkue/Bluetec question I was behind a freightliner the other day and noticed a peculiar smell from the exhaust (when I wasn't behind it I didn't smell it)... the odor was that of feline urine Any chance that this is a result of a poorly tuned aqueous ammonia injection system (Adblue/bluetec) such as is used by the MBE900's in newer trucks? Oh, and whats the preferred method for removal of avian fecal deposits from cars? (I know that prevention is much better, but Baltimore city gets kinda annoyed when you start popping an air rifle off to deal with feathered miscreants who have nothing better to do than decorate your vehicles.) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves
If you decide to heat it you should loosen the brake hose line first. Ask me how I know? Heat will cause the hose to literally blow off. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J.B. Hebert Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves Use a good penetrating oil like PB Blaster, applied liberally every 12 hours or so for a few days, and it should come out. If not, alternate between heat and penetrating oil. Ideally, the caliper should be off the car on the bench for safety. If you heat the area around with bleed screw with MAP gas or Oxyacetylene and hit it will penetrating oil, the oil gets sucked right in. Take your time and be careful and it should come out. Good luck! J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ At 11:11 AM 1/5/2007, you wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 1:34 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 1:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Moose Day
Is thisthe holiday that is traditionally celebrated 13 days after Festivus? On 1/4/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy wishes for your first Friday of 2007 -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves
Flare nut wrench for the brake line fitting where it is required but a good tight fitting socket or box end wrench is likely better for the bleed screw. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves You are (or were in this case) using flared wrenches, right? I learned a long time ago to not even attempt most any brake fitting with a normal open end wrench... I'm sure at this point my dad would say something like get the torch, I would cringe at the though of how flammable brake fluid is, and then he would spend 2-15 minutes on it and have it emerge without issue... Levi (: On 1/5/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves
Thanks - I put some PB Blaster on them - not sure how much heat is generated by the rear calipers but wil gve it a try/Might try the propane very gently. Thanks again - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves I find if things are stuck, a little penetrating oil and heat. I don't use a torch, I do it the old fashioned way, I drive the car and use the brakes. hee hee. Allow them to heat sink, which is pretty much what they are. I always drive the car a little and heat things up before working on my brakes. they get hot fast with just a little use, so toasty on the fingers. Give the oil a couple of days to work in if you can. Good luck Larrry, Zeb On 05/01/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007
Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves
Hi Levi, Thanks for the suggestions! I never use open ends on this kind of stuff only flare nut wrenchs, sockets, or similar. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves You are (or were in this case) using flared wrenches, right? I learned a long time ago to not even attempt most any brake fitting with a normal open end wrench... I'm sure at this point my dad would say something like get the torch, I would cringe at the though of how flammable brake fluid is, and then he would spend 2-15 minutes on it and have it emerge without issue... Levi (: On 1/5/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded so badly they will not unscrew. Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned. I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off inside the bleeder! No fun there! So, what works? What doesn't? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007
