Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!
I could not attend either - too much work, which is why I'm sitting in front of the computer now. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:57 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update! Thanks for the report, Lt. Don. Hopefully someone was taking photos Too bad it wasn't 2K miles closer to me...I ended up having the day off. Bob R. Went and saw Across the Universe instead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:53 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] IowaQ update! We had fun. No one got wasted and made a fool of him/herself, there was plenty of food (my frig is bursting at the seams with leftovers), and I got to drive Tommy's 1998 S420. I need one -- would look good in my garage. I am in LOVE. Robbin's 300D snapped my neck and made me reluctant to climb back into my 240D. My wife wants one just like it to replace her Buick. Everyone got to drive everyone else's cars -- including Kleb at the wheel of my Quantum. I am a bit disappointed that no one asked to drive my 240D, but I guess all attending had driven a riding lawn mower before. Summary for those who missed it. Weather forecast was partly cloudy with a 30% chance of rain. The 30% started about 10 pm last night and continued on and off all day long. Fortunately, I have a large garage so Debbie and I swept and cleaned all morning long, and the venue was ready at 11:45 (for a noon kickoff). Sixteen chairs from my business hauled in the back seat of a 240D and we had a party. In other words, my $2K deck, that should have been the cornerstone of the party, was not walked upon (except by a really cool dog). Thanks to all who attended. A memorable day and perhaps we shall do it again next year. After all, you can't get more center of the nation than Iowa! Several folks took pics but I forgot to take any myself. Hopefully those who did will upload them. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease
I believe the subject is a 108. It has front Disk brakes. All MBs since 1963 had front wheel disk brakes. All since 1968 have had 4 wheel disks. Some models had disks earlier. I have used Molykote BR-2 grease in 110/111 kingpins and pivots and all grease points for years. It is great. Puts that layer of molybdenum disulfide on everything to slow wear. Lasts forever, almost and does not harden. Works for assembly too. Also makes a decent anti-seize lube. At 11:20 PM 10/13/2007, you wrote: Any modern, quality grease will do fine as you don't have the heat soak problems you have with disk brake wheel bearings, but it will not hurt to use the same high temperature grease you use for wheel bearings. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M.Affzaal.Khan Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] King pin Grease Surely the correct type of grease would make a difference to the longevity of the bushes. Would molybdenum grease among the recommendations for greasing the suspension nipples? mak - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] King pin installation OK, then look at the following three pictures. Picture1 is of the page that includes the specs. Also included on the page is a drawing of the top bottom bolt with required play for receiving lubricant. http://www.kegkits.com/Mercedes/Picture1.jpg Picture2 is of the page that shows the entire assembly, including the 2 bolts (item 2 in drawing on right) with required play for receiving lubricant. Picture2 also contains the procedure for reaming the kingpin bushings to size. http://www.kegkits.com/Mercedes/Picture2.jpg Picture3 shows the threaded bolt with required play for receiving lubricant in greater detail (item 8). The groove that's cut in the center is used to distribute the grease from the grease fitting all the way around the threaded bolt with required play for receiving lubricant so that the grease can easily penetrate the threads. http://www.kegkits.com/Mercedes/Picture3.jpg Any other questions? I have one of these assemblies, new, in my garage. Do you want me to disassemble it, measure it confirm that it really does have some free play? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Robert Bigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:03 PM To: Tom Hargrave; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: RE: RE: King pin installation I continue to reject the idea that bolts holding a front suspension together, like holding a steering arm to a spindle, have slop and actually work back and forth in use, and this is normal or expected. Come on. I could be convinced by a drawing showning the parts and the clearance specified for the bolts to work back and forth. To me, it defies common sense to assert that there is slop, and further, that front ends do not come apart because the bolts that are intentionally loose on installation do not eventually complete their loosening and fall out, or alternatively the bolts do not wear out because of the slop and consequent back and forth motion. Perhaps they do on Planet Zork. I think not on Earth, third rock from the sun. I will make an exception for things like spring shackles, where the pins are generally not bottomed and can work backward and forward. Spring shackle bolts will eventually wear out.l although they will last a very long time if kept greased. It is not necessary that there be slop and movement between the male and female parts of threads where a bolt is tight for grease to travel down threads. Each part of the threads, that is, the male part and female part, is a helix, and grease will travel down the part of the larger female helix in the that contains the clearance between the two helices. Or is that helixes ? All that is mechanically necessary for grease to travel down threads is that the male and female parts be dimensioned such that they do not add up to a solid body. Ordinary 60 degree treads, acme, and square threads are dimensioned to not add up to a solid body. Sensitive measurements will show threaded bolts will move forward and backward (or up and down, if one prefers) in threaded holes when not tightened or otherwise bottomed. It would also be possible to provide a grease channel by a broached slot much like a keyway cut longitudinally across the female part of the threads. Old South Bend lathes have slots like that for oil holding felts on some plain bearings, which are admittedly not threaded. A common situation which all have seen that illustrates that grease can travel
Re: [MBZ] King pin installation: Pages from service manual
OK, I downloaded and saved the pictures and text, and will study them later. Thank you for this information. No, I don't want you to disassemble the new assembly you have stashed in your garage. But it is kind of you to offer. Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:25:25 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] King pin installation OK, then look at the following three pictures. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Who knows about 102 engine block drain?
Hendrik, I was hoping to smoke you out, since I know you have a car or cars with this engine or similar and either know or ought to know. I'll look on the side where the exhaust manifold is. Thanks for your help. Pedantic? What's pedantic? Is that like walking crazy, or Monty Python's Ministry of Silly Walks sketch? ___ Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:03:57 +0930 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Who knows about 102 engine block drain ? What the heck are you talking about? The motor in question is a M102 not a OM. However you are close to the mark, the block drain plug is on the exhaust manifold side about halfway along the block. Pain to get at and I think it is 17mm. Make sure that the heater is set to full on while you run the motor to get it up to operating temp before dropping the coolant but wait till the temp drops so as to avoid a trip to hospital with second degree burns. Also leave the heater taps turned on to drain as much coolant as possible out of the cabin heating system. If the coolant is dirty and a lot of sludge comes out it is advisable to flush the system. Also put a piece of half inch garden hose on the radiator drain but some say it is better to remove the bottom radiator hose to get the coolant out faster and avoid sediment settlement but that is being pedantic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease
Molybdenum disulfide is an excellent lubricant in its own right. I understand secondhand that moly grease will not mix with other greases. In most cases this makes no difference. Ford has specified it for greased chassis joints since the early 1960's. The real secret to tie rod ends and similar lasting forever is the rubber boots which keep the moly grease in and the water and gritters out, a la Mercedes 123 and VW Rabbits. There is little reason to use other than moly grease in greased chassis joints. Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:15:02 +0500 M.Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: [MBZ] King pin Grease Surely the correct type of grease would make a difference to the longevity of the bushes. Would molybdenum grease among the recommendations for greasing the suspension nipples? mak ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin installation
Hi Fred, I see that VW used a fixed reamer as did Ford. I seem to remember reading that Dr. Porsche visited Henry Ford while working on the design of the Strength Through Joy machine. Could he have been influenced to use a fixed reamer for king pin bushings then? And of course the VW link pin king pin front end is mega tough and durable. Best regards Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:03:18 -0400 Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: [MBZ] King Pin Reamer Greetings and Salutations Attached is the type of reamer that I used on many VW king pins when I worked for VW dealer circa 1970. Smooth clean thumb push fit. Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 Heater Core Question
Guys, I have run into a strange problem with a new Behr heater core I'm installing in my 'early 87 124.133. The new core came with O-rings. I'm reusing the water pipes, flanges, and six bolts. The problem is that there is nothing in the six bolt holes to which the bolts can attach. The old core has captive nuts at the bottom of the bolt holes in the header. The new core has no captive nuts. The bolt holes are smooth bore with no threaded metal anywhere. The EPC for my VIN shows nuts in line with the bolts as part of the core and as part of the heater pipe kit. There is no physical way to get nuts at the bottom of the bolt holes in this core. If anyone has installed a new core recently, how did the heater pipe bolts attach to the core you installed? Thanks, Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin installation
Any other questions? I have one of these assemblies, new, in my garage. Do you want me to disassemble it, measure it confirm that it really does have some free play? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 No need Tom, if it assembles it has clearance. Simply stated, if a pin goes into a hole it has clearance. You cannot put a 1. dia. pin in a 1. dia. hole without using force or heat. I've been in aerospace quality too long to get sucked into that one. This entire thread on what are called running clearances is serving to remind me how few of us are mechanics. Samuel Colt and his place with interchangeable parts. I spent 2 years at Colt Firearms in Hartford Connecticut learning to assemble 38 specials. Most common tool was a file and rawhide hammer. Yes, parts were interchangeable. They had to be fitted to work VERY WELL. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 15Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin installation
I believe the reamers are to get the correct clearance if the parts do not fit correctly out of the box. I seem to remember that you had to use spacers on the bottom nut too, but I don't know that for sure, I don't have that manual here anymore -- returned it to the owner. New kingpins can be a fiddly thing to install, but if you do it right and keep them greased (every 3000 miles without fail), they pretty much last forever. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1991 350SDL
Re. books, coupla In The BUFF and several A Carolina Country Boy Remembers available from me. $20 ea. plus $5 shipping. No movie propects likely. BTW, its always later than we think. Time seems to go too fast and gets faster as we get older. For me now it goes like telephone poles by the highway. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!
BTW, tumbler fell apart as I removed it from protective cylinder. Front face was broken off and several small pieces of sheared/broken metal fell out. I could tell it had been broken a long time. It's a wonder it worked at all. I was extremely lucky to get it turned to #1 position one last time. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!
Thank YOU, Harry, for the outstanding work you and your maintenance buddies have done and still doing to keep the BUFFs (B-52's) flying safely. BTW, I was a maintenance crew chief on B-47's before I was commissioned via OCS in 1960 and went to B-52's. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin installation
Peter, You are correct on both accounts. When the bushing is pressed into the casting, the brass distorts, making the ID smaller than out of the box. The stack-up of machined casting tolerances plus bushing tolerances plus kingpin tolerances make reaming necessary. Mercedes could have designed the entire assembly to fit without reaming but then they would have had to hold much tighter tolerances on 7 surfaces: 2 - top bottom casting machine work 2 - Bushing OD's 2 - Bushing ID's 1 - kingpin finish Instead of just 2 surfaces: 2 - Bushing ID's, reamed to match to new kingpin OD If needed, the shims are installed to limit vertical travel. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] King pin installation I believe the reamers are to get the correct clearance if the parts do not fit correctly out of the box. I seem to remember that you had to use spacers on the bottom nut too, but I don't know that for sure, I don't have that manual here anymore -- returned it to the owner. New kingpins can be a fiddly thing to install, but if you do it right and keep them greased (every 3000 miles without fail), they pretty much last forever. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease
but almost everyone does use something else in my observation. A lot of lithium type stuff that gets hard. At 05:03 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote: Molybdenum disulfide is an excellent lubricant in its own right. I understand secondhand that moly grease will not mix with other greases. In most cases this makes no difference. Ford has specified it for greased chassis joints since the early 1960's. The real secret to tie rod ends and similar lasting forever is the rubber boots which keep the moly grease in and the water and gritters out, a la Mercedes 123 and VW Rabbits. There is little reason to use other than moly grease in greased chassis joints. Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:15:02 +0500 M.Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: [MBZ] King pin Grease Surely the correct type of grease would make a difference to the longevity of the bushes. Would molybdenum grease among the recommendations for greasing the suspension nipples? mak ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin installation
Reamers are used to have a final fit on the kingpin bushings after the bushings are pressed in. Pressing in the bushings swedges the bushing, so the bore is smaller than necessary for a good fit. reaming leaves 1 to 2 thousandth clearance for the kingpin to fit. When I had to put new kingpins in a 111, the wear ended up being almost all on the kingpin and not on the bushing. when I slipped the new kingpin into the bushings, it was a snug fit, so I did not replace the bushings. If anyone has manually replaced the sleeves for OM 616/617 engines, they are a bear to push in without a press. You can actually see the cylinder bore getting smaller. This is why the new sleeves are bored AFTER being installed in the block. Same principle with kingpins and bushings. With current machine tools and machining practices, I believe bushings and the kingpins and the bore where the bushings are pushed COULD be made accurately enough so that no reaming is required, however in the 50s and 60s, the machining was not accurate enough, so the tolerances were usually + - ,001 for fine work and + - .005 for most work. When you add up the total possible variation for all 4 surfaces, it could result in either an interference fit, and wheels no turny, or way to loose for accurate steering, thus the reaming step to assure perfect fit and alignment of both bushings. OOPs! it looks like Tom already addressed this. Oh well, another $.02 At 10:17 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote: I believe the reamers are to get the correct clearance if the parts do not fit correctly out of the box. I seem to remember that you had to use spacers on the bottom nut too, but I don't know that for sure, I don't have that manual here anymore -- returned it to the owner. New kingpins can be a fiddly thing to install, but if you do it right and keep them greased (every 3000 miles without fail), they pretty much last forever. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!
wilton strickland wrote: Thank YOU, Harry, for the outstanding work you and your maintenance buddies have done and still doing to keep the BUFFs (B-52's) flying safely. BTW, I was a maintenance crew chief on B-47's before I was commissioned via OCS in 1960 and went to B-52's. Wilton Wilton, Were you flying over Vietnam in the mid-late 60s? Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rack damper bolt, OM617.952
Is replacement of the rack damper bolt a DIY proposition? I ask as I am wondering if the pump has to be 'parked' at a specific position, etc. Thankee -- Mac Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!
'Flew in Vietnam July - Dec 72, total of 78 missions, including 6 to Hanoi during Linebacker II campaign of Dec 72. 'Flew from Guam and Utapao, Thailand. For its stupidity and the way it was conducted, Vietnam was a national tragedy second only to the Civil War as the nation's greatest tragey. Iraq is fast catching up to Vietnam for second place. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease
I'm not sure the auto parts stores around here carry chassis grease for general use that does not contain molybdenum disulfide. I think the government's GAA (Grease, Automotive and Artillery) is moly grease. . Long fibered wheel bearing grease in auto parts stoes, yes. But the moly grease sustitutes perfectly well on packed wheel bearings. I don't think you will find auto manufacturers using anything but moly grease on chassis, particularly on booted joints. White grease has its own niche. For my own amazement, please tell me what you use for chassis grease. I use moly grease for everything except white grease applications. I have yet to see it get dry and hard like the brown stuff can. What is your experience? Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Date: 10/14/2007 11:55:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease but almost everyone does use something else in my observation. A lot of lithium type stuff that gets hard. At 05:03 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote: Molybdenum disulfide is an excellent lubricant in its own right. I understand secondhand that moly grease will not mix with other greases. In most cases this makes no difference. Ford has specified it for greased chassis joints since the early 1960's. The real secret to tie rod ends and similar lasting forever is the rubber boots which keep the moly grease in and the water and gritters out, a la Mercedes 123 and VW Rabbits. There is little reason to use other than moly grease in greased chassis joints. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1991 350SDL
Snail mail address is 618 Park Ave. Goldsboro, NC 27530 Thnx, Don Wilton Strickland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease
I was under the impression that molybdenum disulphide damaged copper alloy (brass, bronze, babbit) bearing surfaces. What are the kingpin bushings made of? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rack damper bolt, OM617.952
Steve MacSween wrote: Is replacement of the rack damper bolt a DIY proposition? http://articles.mbz.org/engine/diesel/rackbolt/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 52s In Nam (WasRe: 124 tumbler close call!)
wilton strickland wrote: 'Flew in Vietnam July - Dec 72, total of 78 missions, including 6 to Hanoi during Linebacker II campaign of Dec 72. 'Flew from Guam and Utapao, Thailand. For its stupidity and the way it was conducted, Vietnam was a national tragedy second only to the Civil War as the nation's greatest tragey. Iraq is fast catching up to Vietnam for second place. Wilton Wilton, The busy days. I looked up many times in '65/'66 when I heard the sounds of all those engines going over. And felt the ground shake a few times when they hit the Delta. My B-in-L did two tours in Thailand as a 52 crew chief in the early '70s. Stupidity is right. And we obviously never learn. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rack damper bolt, OM617.952
In a message dated 10/14/2007 10:39:05 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ask as I am wondering if the pump has to be 'parked' at a specific position, etc. Mac, You should warm up the engine first as this will affect the idle especially when cold. I installed mine finger tight until I could just feel the bolt making contact, then backed it out a turn or so. Start the engine and turn in the bolt until you feel it make contact without slowing the engine. Lock it there. If the engine will start normally when cold and doesn't lope at idle when warm, you got it! If it does lope, you must turn it in maybe an 1/8 of a turn. Then go through another cold start warmup cycle before declaring it good. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 52s in Nam
Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know well. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
My only comment on the issue will be this, because there are some issues on
which I need to limit my input ('cause I will end up saying too much), and
because this is Mercedes, not Banned.
But ...
I truly believe that any Commander in Chief who sends troops into harm's way
should be required (by law) to immediately put any military-eligible family
members into uniform and into the war zone. ... Could (1) force the
President to rethink what is being done, and (2) would make some
Presidential kids/grandchildren say, You sure you want to invade?
*Time via The Huffington Post:*
If the war in Iraq is so noble, why aren't you and your sister serving our
country there?
Jenna Bush: I understand that point, but there are many ways to serve our
country, and I think my skills are better suited for teaching and
representing the U.S. in Latin America through unicef. I respect the men and
women of our country who are over there fighting. It is an unbelievably
selfless thing to do. But if people really thought about it, they would know
it's not even a practical question.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20071011_jenna_bush_dodges_military_service_question/
On 10/14/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know well.
Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!
Well you will have to show up for the OkieQ next year, it will be quite a bit closer. Robert Rentfro wrote: Thanks for the report, Lt. Don. Hopefully someone was taking photos Too bad it wasn't 2K miles closer to me...I ended up having the day off. Bob R. Went and saw Across the Universe instead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:53 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] IowaQ update! We had fun. No one got wasted and made a fool of him/herself, there was plenty of food (my frig is bursting at the seams with leftovers), and I got to drive Tommy's 1998 S420. I need one -- would look good in my garage. I am in LOVE. Robbin's 300D snapped my neck and made me reluctant to climb back into my 240D. My wife wants one just like it to replace her Buick. Everyone got to drive everyone else's cars -- including Kleb at the wheel of my Quantum. I am a bit disappointed that no one asked to drive my 240D, but I guess all attending had driven a riding lawn mower before. Summary for those who missed it. Weather forecast was partly cloudy with a 30% chance of rain. The 30% started about 10 pm last night and continued on and off all day long. Fortunately, I have a large garage so Debbie and I swept and cleaned all morning long, and the venue was ready at 11:45 (for a noon kickoff). Sixteen chairs from my business hauled in the back seat of a 240D and we had a party. In other words, my $2K deck, that should have been the cornerstone of the party, was not walked upon (except by a really cool dog). Thanks to all who attended. A memorable day and perhaps we shall do it again next year. After all, you can't get more center of the nation than Iowa! Several folks took pics but I forgot to take any myself. Hopefully those who did will upload them. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] maybe I should have bought this white in Iowa
http://ames.craigslist.org/car/448940771.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] maybe I should have bought this white in Iowa
And you even had the trailer with you! On 10/14/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ames.craigslist.org/car/448940771.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!
Wonko the Sane wrote: We had fun. No one got wasted and made a fool of him/herself, there was plenty of food (my frig is bursting at the seams with leftovers), and I got to drive Tommy's 1998 S420. I need one -- would look good in my garage. I am in LOVE. That car was awesome!! Fortunately for my driving record none are available for less than $5k. Made it back about 15 mins ago. About ~1800 miles round trip. Craig has me beat by about 500 miles though!! ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!
Craig is still in Jefferson. While you young guys beat feet to get home, Craig and wife stuck around to smell the roses in my small town. On 10/14/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Made it back about 15 mins ago. About ~1800 miles round trip. Craig has me beat by about 500 miles though!! ;) John -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
John, If you wait long enough, the blinking SRS light will no longer be an issue. It will be a steady on light like the one in my 300SDL for the last 150,000 miles or so. Mine's probably a bad sensor or a broken sensor wire. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/14/07 09:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
Car is toast. Head back to Iowa and I'll give you $500 for it, plus title to the Quantum (your ride home). On 10/14/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
You're not helping my cause here, Tom! On 10/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, If you wait long enough, the blinking SRS light will no longer be an issue. It will be a steady on light like the one in my 300SDL for the last 150,000 miles or so. Mine's probably a bad sensor or a broken sensor wire. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/14/07 09:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
I agree with Don but I'm closer to you than he is. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/14/07 09:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Car is toast. Head back to Iowa and I'll give you $500 for it, plus title to the Quantum (your ride home). On 10/14/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] secret message for IowaQ attendees
(Jefferson is in Greene county) http://www.kcci.com/severeweather/612559/detail.html * Greene County*** *Flash Flood Watch:* Issued at: 8:45 PM CDT 10/14/07, expires at: 4:45 AM CDT 10/15/07Flash Flood Watch remains in effect through Monday afternoon, The flash flood watch continues for Portions of central iowa, North Central Iowa, Northwest iowa, Southwest Iowa And west central iowa, Including The following areas, In Central Iowa, Boone, Dallas, hamilton, Hardin, Polk, Story And Webster. In north central iowa, Cerro Gordo, Franklin, Hancock, Humboldt, Kossuth, winnebago, Worth And Wright. In northwest iowa, Emmet, Palo alto and pocahontas. In southwest iowa, Adair, Adams, Cass and taylor. In west central iowa, Audubon, Calhoun, carroll, Crawford, Greene, Guthrie And Sac. Through Monday afternoon Numerous showers and thunderstorms are anticipated across the area tonight and Monday with areas of heavy rainfall likely. Rainfall amounts of one to three inches are possible with localized areas exceeding three inches. Efficient rainfall rates within these storms could produce heavy rainfall in a short period of time, Leading To The potential for flash flooding as well. In addition, Many Area Rivers and streams are running near bankfull. Heavy rainfall over the region will push many of these streams out of their banks. A flash flood watch means that conditions may develop that lead to flash flooding. Flash flooding is a very dangerous situation. You should monitor later forecasts and be prepared to take action should flash flood warnings be issued. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
At least Kaleb hasn't stepped in.. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/14/07 09:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You're not helping my cause here, Tom! On 10/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, If you wait long enough, the blinking SRS light will no longer be an issue. It will be a steady on light like the one in my 300SDL for the last 150,000 miles or so. Mine's probably a bad sensor or a broken sensor wire. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/14/07 09:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold.
Anybody figure out a way to diagnose and work on the fuel side of a 606 engine ? That big intake manifold system completely covers the entire driver side of my 606.910 engines. And it's always a PITA to diagnose and repair fuel leaks, fuel injection, and idle problems because you cannot see or reach anything on that side of the engine with the engine fully assembled and running. And I don't think you can run the engine with the intake manifold removed. It is not near as convienient as working on a 617 (and I presume 602, 3 or 4 engines). I've had limited success removing the body underside covers and laying under the car with it up on blocks. But this feels dangerous and what you can safely reach and manipulate from underneath is pretty limited. To repair anything on the FI pump side, you have to guess what the problem is, then invest a couple of hours removing and replacing the crossover and intake manifold to change some part or make adjustment. Then start the engine to see what effect it had. Usually you have to repeat that whole procedure over and over until you guessed the correct fix. I keep a stock of intake manifold gaskets to do this. Am I going about this all wrong? Has anybody else with a '95 E300D found an easier way to work on this side of the engine? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] secret message for IowaQ attendees
My condolences. I guess precipitation is a zero sum game nationwide. While IA is flooding, Washington D.C. and the Metro area have basically been without measurable precip since Labor Day. Before that, we were about 10 in deficit since the end of May. In 30 years I have never seen a drought this stubborn. I bought a rain barrel in case next summer is similarly arid. On 10/14/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Jefferson is in Greene county) http://www.kcci.com/severeweather/612559/detail.html * Greene County*** *Flash Flood Watch:* Issued at: 8:45 PM CDT 10/14/07, expires at: 4:45 AM CDT 10/15/07Flash Flood Watch remains in effect through Monday afternoon, The flash flood watch continues for Portions of central iowa, North Central Iowa, Northwest iowa, Southwest Iowa And west central iowa, Including The following areas, In Central Iowa, Boone, Dallas, hamilton, Hardin, Polk, Story And Webster. In north central iowa, Cerro Gordo, Franklin, Hancock, Humboldt, Kossuth, winnebago, Worth And Wright. In northwest iowa, Emmet, Palo alto and pocahontas. In southwest iowa, Adair, Adams, Cass and taylor. In west central iowa, Audubon, Calhoun, carroll, Crawford, Greene, Guthrie And Sac. Through Monday afternoon Numerous showers and thunderstorms are anticipated across the area tonight and Monday with areas of heavy rainfall likely. Rainfall amounts of one to three inches are possible with localized areas exceeding three inches. Efficient rainfall rates within these storms could produce heavy rainfall in a short period of time, Leading To The potential for flash flooding as well. In addition, Many Area Rivers and streams are running near bankfull. Heavy rainfall over the region will push many of these streams out of their banks. A flash flood watch means that conditions may develop that lead to flash flooding. Flash flooding is a very dangerous situation. You should monitor later forecasts and be prepared to take action should flash flood warnings be issued. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Wonko the Sane wrote: I truly believe that any Commander in Chief who sends troops into harm's way should be required (by law) to immediately put any military-eligible family members into uniform and into the war zone. The power to declare war is strictly in the hands of the legislative branch. When our Congresscritters passed a resolution in 2002 that basically said we abdicate our responsibility and delegate this decision to the president, the rest of us should have started circulating recall petitions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
To some degree, that's what we did in 2006 --- didn't go far enough though. The power to declare war is strictly in the hands of the legislative branch. When our Congresscritters passed a resolution in 2002 that basically said we abdicate our responsibility and delegate this decision to the president, the rest of us should have started circulating recall petitions. Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light
Contacts in the steering wheel. Usually only happens in the straight ahead position, goes away off center. Clean them, you may need to replace the carbon contact or the slip ring. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Hear hear! I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Probably because the media ran the Nam war just like they are running the current war and any politician worth re-electing knows that going against mainstream media is political suicide. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam Hear hear! I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!
Indeed I willthe only things I got going next year is a trip to Tokyo last week of March and my big 30 class reunion in IL the weekend of July 12. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update! Well you will have to show up for the OkieQ next year, it will be quite a bit closer. Robert Rentfro wrote: Thanks for the report, Lt. Don. Hopefully someone was taking photos Too bad it wasn't 2K miles closer to me...I ended up having the day off. Bob R. Went and saw Across the Universe instead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:53 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] IowaQ update! We had fun. No one got wasted and made a fool of him/herself, there was plenty of food (my frig is bursting at the seams with leftovers), and I got to drive Tommy's 1998 S420. I need one -- would look good in my garage. I am in LOVE. Robbin's 300D snapped my neck and made me reluctant to climb back into my 240D. My wife wants one just like it to replace her Buick. Everyone got to drive everyone else's cars -- including Kleb at the wheel of my Quantum. I am a bit disappointed that no one asked to drive my 240D, but I guess all attending had driven a riding lawn mower before. Summary for those who missed it. Weather forecast was partly cloudy with a 30% chance of rain. The 30% started about 10 pm last night and continued on and off all day long. Fortunately, I have a large garage so Debbie and I swept and cleaned all morning long, and the venue was ready at 11:45 (for a noon kickoff). Sixteen chairs from my business hauled in the back seat of a 240D and we had a party. In other words, my $2K deck, that should have been the cornerstone of the party, was not walked upon (except by a really cool dog). Thanks to all who attended. A memorable day and perhaps we shall do it again next year. After all, you can't get more center of the nation than Iowa! Several folks took pics but I forgot to take any myself. Hopefully those who did will upload them. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Sad day when the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter (and others of the same ilk) are considered main stream media. Most of the normal media has been neutral to opposed to the Iraq fiasco for some time now, just the right wingers are still in favor, sort of. That does not absolve the main stream media from responsibility for repeating the dis-information and downright distortions perpetrated upon the public by numerous Administration personnel. Prime example: Dan Rather being crucified for reporting on those supposed memos about GWB -- for Christ's sake, I HAVE an IBM Executive typewriter that types proportional type, why in the name of everything good would anyone ever repeat the comments of some teenaged blogger who was a negative twenty or so years old when they were supposedly typed? A simple Google search reveals (Tada!!!) that IBM bought the company that made the proportional type typewriter in 1948, added their new carbon ribbon mechanism (the same one used in their regular A, B, C, and D office machines of the time) and sold the bleeding thing until 1974 or so, by the hundreds of thousands, including to the National Guard and the various branches of the US Military. You could order any custom type bars you wanted, Anyone older than 50 who took a typing class in high school knows this stuff, it's hardly a secret. Did anyone step up and say so? Hardly -- NPR didn't even bother to reply to my e-mail on the subject, they instead quoted a supposed typewriter forensic expert who cannot have actually seen a typewriter, since he blew a bunch of crap about no proportional type, blah blah blah. I was sorely temped to ship him my old Executive, collect. I bought it for $2 at a yard sale -- before the advent of desktop publishing, they were the dream of every newsletter producer since you could full justify type with them on spirit masters or mimeo masters -- anyone remember those? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold
Hello Ned , I agree it's a PITA to have to remove the intake ! My 617s (126 and 123) are a breeze to work on as compared to the 606. My MB tech/mechanic friend who replaced the delivery valve seals showed me that you could start and run the engine with the intake off if diagnosing fuel leaks. The engine did run rough, but it beats assembling and disassembling back and forth. If you do find alternate methods , please share !!! regards, VIK MOMJIAN 1996 E300D 198k miles 1981 300SD 273k miles 1980 300TD 149k miles (needs some top end repairs) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W108 vs W123/126 suspension
Gang, Now that the kingpin war seems to have died down, I have a general question about W108 vs 123/126 ride quality. As most of you know, the 123 and 126 soak up even the rudest bumps with grace and style. The suspension is soft, but if everything's in spec the cars don't wallow, and respond nicely to steering input. It is best ride I've experienced outside of a Citroen, which is high praise for those who know of what I speak. My question is how 123/6 ride quality compares to a W108 that's been sorted out (i.e. shocks and springs in good shape, hydropneumatic device in working order, etc). I presume the steering response on a 108 might actually be better than the later cars because of the double wishbone design, but I wonder if generally the ride isn't a little harsher than the later cars. Any thoughts from people who've got experience with both platforms? D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] maybe I should have bought this white in Iowa
If that car was anywhere near me, I would buy it in a heartbeat!!! It would be a nice winter project. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
