Re: [MBZ] Electric Seat Adjustment

2008-05-08 Thread Jim Cathey
Oh, and sometimes a wire breaks in the door hinge area.
That can be fun!

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Seat Adjustment

2008-05-08 Thread Jim Cathey
> My daughter's 300SD (85?) electric seat adjustment (fore/aft) is 
> kaput, and the seat is all the way back.  Is there a manual override 
> or workaround that would let me move the seat forward?

Switch problem?  Usually is.  Address that and it's fixed.
Sometimes you can unplug the seat motors (under the seat)
and apply power to their pins directly.  That can be a bit
tricky.

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Re: [MBZ] O.T.Getting Rid of Malware/Virus

2008-05-08 Thread Robert Rentfro
If I get stuck or do something stupid I'll call, believe me.

Bob R

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Bob,

Cnet forums is another good place to look. There's a lot of info on
the viruses as well as real people's experiences in getting rid of
them.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6132_102-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=254243&messa
geID=2526669

My offer still stands to help you out via phone.

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query

2008-05-08 Thread OK Don
Anyone keeping track and counting?  How man of us so far?

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Luther
I use one and have no issues.  The only time I have issues is when I apply more 
than 5psi or so to the ex-helium tank to help push the contents back out.  It 
can create quite the mess VERY quickly...

Luther

On Thu, 08 May 2008 05:56:59 -0500, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> LarryT wrote:
>>
>> Howdy -
>> Since my Topsider has a hose problem I thought I'd build one this time
>> and ran across this Air Vacuum Pump at Harbor Freight Tools for $8.50 (pn
>> 96677-2AYE) --  the Key on the catalog is AY9556.
>
> Those things can pull a pretty good vacuum. Not really good enough for
> air conditioning work, but stronger than a shop vac I'm sure. The
> question is whether they pull enough volume to cause trouble. The
> shop vac pulls way too much volume for an oil sucker, this one
> probably can't build up excess volume through an open hose hooked
> up to the engine if you take off the oil fill cap on the engine.
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread OK Don
> The reason for the location of the heater box is the same as it was
>  in the W115 (changing the fan in that one would kill ya!)
>
I did that job twice - once the right way, took two full days, and
once through what the surgeons are now calling "a natural orifice" -
through the dash speaker hole. That one only took one full day. Then I
vowed not to get another 115.

The 124 evaporator job looks like there's a LOT more stuff to
remove/disconnect than there was in the 115.
I now have 124's, so I guess the job is inevitable at some time in the
future ---

>  With the box dead center in the car, you get perfect air distribution
>  with an absolute minimum of ductwork.  It's also cheaper to install,
>  and as I said, getting it out is only fiddlesome, not really hard
>  work.  It's quite rare in most cars to EVER replace an evaporator,
>  and heater cores last quite a long time if you use good coolant and
>  change it regularly as you are supposed to.
>
>  At least the blower motor isn't too bad.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query

2008-05-08 Thread Luther
Ditto.  I'm not installing X.

Luther

On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:57:16 -0500, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Buzz ... I mean video as in XWindows runs.
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Don't need video just text
>>
>> Luther
>>
>



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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-08 Thread OK Don
Thanks - we'll exhaust all other options before pulling the head. The
PO reports that it's been this way the last several years, and has not
gotten any worse. He also reports that it doesn't miss at idle in the
heat of the summer, only the other three seasons.

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, MG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don,
>
>  Just catching up on the digests. Before you take off the head you might
>  want to check the timing chain and if that's good then check the
>  injection timing. It sounds like the timing is retarded. Stretched
>  timing chain can do that if everything else is OK. Then when you take
>  off the head to do the gasket you can do the timing chain at the same time.
>
>  Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Obviously criminals aren't gonna worry about gun laws unless those gun 
laws are tough tough, like 10 years in the big house for carrying an 
illegal weapon.
At the moment the big thing here is bikers and their hangers on shooting 
each other for control of the drug trade. Government is bumbling and 
stumbling coming up with all sorts of stupid laws that will be hard to 
enforce, rather than just toughening up existing laws.
When someone is looking at a 30 year stretch for discharging a firearm 
in a public place they may stop and think about their future, rather 
than the current wrist slap and counseling because of their childhood 
and the influence of others.

Hendrik

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The gun laws are extremely effective then!  (That is sarcasm if you 
> don't notice)  I don't think he stated the cause of crime increase was 
> the new gun laws, he pointed out that crime increased after new gun laws 
> were implemented, the point of which were apparently were to decrease 
> (gun-related) crime.  Point is, criminals do not respect laws, including 
> those related to guns.  Duh.  Hence, laws restricting gun ownership have 
> little or no restrictive effect on criminals, but do restrict 
> law-abiding citizens, and do little to diminish crime. 
>
> In fact, gun restriction laws do correlate very strongly with an 
> increase in crime (and concealed-carry laws correlate very strongly with 
> a decrease in crime, at least in the US).  The reason is very simple -- 
> criminals do not like to confront a possibly-armed law-abiding citizen, 
> because that has a high negative incentive to committing a crime, and 
> when law-abiding citizens are allowed to protect themselves with guns, 
> they do, to the detriment of the criminals (who are stupid in a lot of 
> ways, but many of them do have a rudimentary survival instinct despite 
> their chosen profession).
>
> I believe that the criminals in the UK are illegally importing guns from 
> outside the country, once again circumventing the restrictive gun laws 
> that law-abiding citizens must follow, and using them in the increasing 
> crimes in that country.  Clearly the answer is to pass more restrictive 
> gun laws!
>
> Not to pick a fight, those are just the facts, readily available if you 
> have an open mind to review them.
>
> --R
>
> Hendrik & Fay wrote:
>   
>> The Brits never had a big gun culture, obviously the baddies had 
>> shooters but didn't really use em.
>> I don't know where you got the info that the crime rate went up because 
>> of disarming but the reason the crime rate is going up is due to drugs, 
>> with Carribean and, more so now, Eastern European crime gangs fighting 
>> over turf. Obviously the stakes are getting higher and thus more illegal 
>> hand guns are on the street.
>>
>> Hendrik
>>
>> LarryT wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The citizens of UK were disarmed a few years ago - and the crime rate went 
>>> up.
>>> but we don;t want to start one of *those* threads
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>>   
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
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Re: [MBZ] OK, this one cracked us up

2008-05-08 Thread Wonko the Sane
In West Virginia, we referred to it as "the place where Baptists shop
wearing a disguise."

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> It's mostly a southern thing in the US. Alcoholic Beverage Commission. The
> states control/license the  eh liquor stores  In PA it's called a State
> Store as it is actually run by the State.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles
> 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
>
>
> Wickford, RI-Original Message-
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>
> What's an ABC store?
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Re: [MBZ] OK, this one cracked us up

2008-05-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
It's mostly a southern thing in the US. Alcoholic Beverage Commission. The
states control/license the  eh liquor stores  In PA it's called a State
Store as it is actually run by the State. 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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1979 240D- auto -250K + miles 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.


Wickford, RI-Original Message-
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What's an ABC store?

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Re: [MBZ] OK, this one cracked us up

2008-05-08 Thread Jeff Zedic
What's an ABC store?

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Re: [MBZ] OK, this one cracked us up

2008-05-08 Thread Bill R
Fortunately my MIL is great [especially since she lives in an apartment
attached to our house], so don't think I will need to.
Then there was this:
"Reserve our Banquet Hall" sign in front of the IHOP.   Pure class.
BillR

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Sounds like a good plan, did you?

--R

Bill R wrote:
> Driving by the ABC store tonight we read their sign:  "Make ABC your
> Mother's Day Headquarters." 
>
>  
>
> Fortunately I wouldn't have thought of that on my own.
>
> BillR
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
The gun laws are extremely effective then!  (That is sarcasm if you 
don't notice)  I don't think he stated the cause of crime increase was 
the new gun laws, he pointed out that crime increased after new gun laws 
were implemented, the point of which were apparently were to decrease 
(gun-related) crime.  Point is, criminals do not respect laws, including 
those related to guns.  Duh.  Hence, laws restricting gun ownership have 
little or no restrictive effect on criminals, but do restrict 
law-abiding citizens, and do little to diminish crime. 

In fact, gun restriction laws do correlate very strongly with an 
increase in crime (and concealed-carry laws correlate very strongly with 
a decrease in crime, at least in the US).  The reason is very simple -- 
criminals do not like to confront a possibly-armed law-abiding citizen, 
because that has a high negative incentive to committing a crime, and 
when law-abiding citizens are allowed to protect themselves with guns, 
they do, to the detriment of the criminals (who are stupid in a lot of 
ways, but many of them do have a rudimentary survival instinct despite 
their chosen profession).

I believe that the criminals in the UK are illegally importing guns from 
outside the country, once again circumventing the restrictive gun laws 
that law-abiding citizens must follow, and using them in the increasing 
crimes in that country.  Clearly the answer is to pass more restrictive 
gun laws!

Not to pick a fight, those are just the facts, readily available if you 
have an open mind to review them.

--R

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> The Brits never had a big gun culture, obviously the baddies had 
> shooters but didn't really use em.
> I don't know where you got the info that the crime rate went up because 
> of disarming but the reason the crime rate is going up is due to drugs, 
> with Carribean and, more so now, Eastern European crime gangs fighting 
> over turf. Obviously the stakes are getting higher and thus more illegal 
> hand guns are on the street.
>
> Hendrik
>
> LarryT wrote:
>   
>> The citizens of UK were disarmed a few years ago - and the crime rate went 
>> up.
>> but we don;t want to start one of *those* threads
>> ;-)
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>   
>>   
>> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK, this one cracked us up

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Sounds like a good plan, did you?

--R

Bill R wrote:
> Driving by the ABC store tonight we read their sign:  "Make ABC your
> Mother's Day Headquarters." 
>
>  
>
> Fortunately I wouldn't have thought of that on my own.
>
> BillR
>
> Jacksonville FL
>
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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Bill R
Some days just shouldn't happen.
Sounds like the battery / connection / cables are bad
BillR

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Subject: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't
start. It would click once, but not start.  I think it's the starter.  It
could also be the battery cable.  These cars have a problem with a spacer in
the cable that corrodes.  I was dressed in my suit because I had to meet a
client for her deposition this morning.  So, I had to get my wife out to
help me try to start it while whacking the starter with a hammer while
laying on the drive in my suit and tie. And of course, it didn't work.  So,
we had to push it out of the way, in order to get my wife's car out of the
garage, so I could drive it.  Crazy morning.  I am rushing to my office and
my client is trying to reach me, I am driving too fast and trying to answer
my cell phone, I ran a red light by mistake (luckily no one around) and when
I finally get to work, my client is calling because they cannot come to the
deposition because the Joint Commission on Accredidation of Hospitals is
there for their SURPRISE inspection.  It is once every three years and it
was today without any notice.   What a morning.

Donald H. Snook




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[MBZ] Anybody got a half-million mile diesel - with history?

2008-05-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Hi guys...

The New York Times is looking for Half-Million Mile Mercedes-Benz  
Diesels..  An article is being developed about high mileage MB's.

Anybody got one and want to step forward..  ???

Send a personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your name, location,  
phone number, email address, car model and year and some history.   
And MBCA Membership Y or N?   I will push the info up the "food  
chain".

Unfortunately, I only received this request today and Noon tomorrow  
is the deadline..  Would assume that is EDT...

Take care and hope to hear from you proud high-mileage guys  No,  
it's the car that must be high-mileage

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ


I will forward it to MBUSA for consideration in the article...
On May 8, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> It suffers from Peyronie's Disease, like Bill Clinton.
>
> --R
>
> R A Bennell wrote:
>> So, why was the linkage bent? Does not sound like something that  
>> should happen with daily driving.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:29 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD
>>
>>
>> Correction:  ONE linkage rod was bent.
>>
>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The verdict is in:  the linkage rods was bent that comes up the  
>>> firewall
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
The Brits never had a big gun culture, obviously the baddies had 
shooters but didn't really use em.
I don't know where you got the info that the crime rate went up because 
of disarming but the reason the crime rate is going up is due to drugs, 
with Carribean and, more so now, Eastern European crime gangs fighting 
over turf. Obviously the stakes are getting higher and thus more illegal 
hand guns are on the street.

Hendrik

LarryT wrote:
> The citizens of UK were disarmed a few years ago - and the crime rate went 
> up.
> but we don;t want to start one of *those* threads
> ;-)
>
> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>   
>   

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[MBZ] OK, this one cracked us up

2008-05-08 Thread Bill R
Driving by the ABC store tonight we read their sign:  "Make ABC your
Mother's Day Headquarters." 

 

Fortunately I wouldn't have thought of that on my own.

BillR

Jacksonville FL

1981 300SD  301k miles

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Re: [MBZ] W123 PS Pump ?

2008-05-08 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 8 May 2008 11:53:35 -0700, Alex wrote:

> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:44 AM, MG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Jack up the front end of the car and check the bearings on
> > the wheels. Grab the wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock move the
> > wheels back and forth, push on front and pull on back and
> > then vice versa and see if they feel loose.
> 
> I thought this was the quick and dirty check for loose ball
> joints. Am I totally confused?

The manual says to check the ball joints leave the car on the
ground. Grab the bumper and make the car move side-to-side while
watching the joint.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread Peter Frederick
The reason for the location of the heater box is the same as it was  
in the W115 (changing the fan in that one would kill ya!)

With the box dead center in the car, you get perfect air distribution  
with an absolute minimum of ductwork.  It's also cheaper to install,  
and as I said, getting it out is only fiddlesome, not really hard  
work.  It's quite rare in most cars to EVER replace an evaporator,  
and heater cores last quite a long time if you use good coolant and  
change it regularly as you are supposed to.

At least the blower motor isn't too bad.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Unplugging the idle control will only make it drop back to mechanical  
idle, it does absolutely nothing but regulate idle speed.  No white  
smoke, no stumbles unless its' very intermittant, and if it is, you  
need to fix the broken wire.

A bad head gasket at the front can easily hold oil pressure but not  
combustion pressure, so it's low up there with combustion gasses  
blowing into the chain case and oil passage.  You have to burn quite  
a bit of oil in a diesel to get blue smoke if its in the combustion  
chamber and not the exhaust.

White smoke on startup with rough running is either bad nozzles, bad  
glow plugs, or low compression, and these in combination.  Low  
compression will give you excessive black smoke at high speed, too --  
in fact, excessive smoke at all speeds.

The gasket will also be leaking between cylinders and out #6 into the  
bolt holes at the rear of the head if it's failing, both of ours were.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Not 6 hours.  You can cut it down to 10 or so, I tihnk, with  
practice, but if you want everything put back properly, it takes a  
while.  My mechanic buddy still takes two working days, but he's semi- 
retired.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Peter Frederick
It's a very long job, but there are only a couple places where you  
can do serious damage -- the bar that holds the switches above the  
climate control is a pain to get in and out, and it's gotten brittle  
by now.  Can be solvent welded, but that takes a couple of days extra.

When taking the heater box apart, you MUST pull the pin from the link  
that hooks the two floor flaps and separate the linkage BEFORE you  
unscrew the side boxes, else you break the plastic hinge part, and  
it's not available separately.

Getting the box itself in and out of the car is a real pain, it helps  
to make a custom tool to push a wire bundle out of the way or to have  
a helper (neither of which I had), and the seal between the body and  
the box is critical -- if it leaks, you end up with flooded floors up  
front.

The rest of it is mostly just fiddlesome.  Dash vents can be a pain  
to get out, as you must lift a strong spring clip AND pull at the  
same time without gouging things up, watch for the lamps on the  
vents, the center one is behind a little hinged door and you will  
pull the wires out of the lamp base if you don't pop it open first.   
Center vent has a screw you need a long allen to get to.

Get new plastic clips for the glove box, the old ones will likely  
break.  You must remove the latch bar to get the glove box out, else  
you crack the box.

Get GOOD tools for the instrument cluster, else you will damage the  
dash.

Watch that you don't poke something through the speakers while you  
have the dash out, they aren't protected underneath.

Don't pull up on the trim over the shifter, pry on the plastic clip  
under the carpet, else you pull the clip off the wood or break it  
off, it will be STUCK on the console body, even if clean.

Keep careful track of all the screws and where they go, you will have  
more than you would imagine from a Benz.

While you have the AC vented, replace ALL the o-rings with green  
ones, and make sure you use the correct size, some are quite small.   
I'd replace the seal between the compressor body and the pipe  
manifold at the same time, too -- some are a single gasket, some are  
4 large o-rings, and they will be eroded and will start leaking  
sooner or later.

Buy all new vac servos and replace them at the same time -- one is  
inside the box anyway, and you have to take it all apart to get that  
one out!

Peter



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[MBZ] Electric Seat Adjustment

2008-05-08 Thread B Dike
Hi All,

My daughter's 300SD (85?) electric seat adjustment (fore/aft) is kaput, and the 
seat is all the way back.  Is there a manual override or workaround that would 
let me move the seat forward?

Thanks,


Bruce
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85 300CD 263kmi 'Hers'
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77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' gone to a better place
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Re: [MBZ] Free Fix! was Re: My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
Nothing better than an inexpensive fix where you actually figured it out 
yourself and did not buy parts you did not
need!

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Free Fix! was Re: My $500 Kaleb Car let me down


Curt wrote:

"Loads of times I've had a battery with enough power to trip the solenoid 
(click) but not run the starter..."

as it turns out, it was a little spacer in the positive battery cable.  They 
corrode and prevent good contact. I
took it apart, scraped the corrosion off, put it back together and it started 
right up. I went ahead and bought the
$2 spacer and long nut and will put them on tonight.

So, the battery was good and the starter was good, it was just that because of 
the corrosion, the battery couldn't
get enough juice to the starter.

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Free Fix! was Re: My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Donald Snook
Curt wrote:

"Loads of times I've had a battery with enough power to trip the solenoid 
(click) but not run the starter..."

as it turns out, it was a little spacer in the positive battery cable.  They 
corrode and prevent good contact. I took it apart, scraped the corrosion off, 
put it back together and it started right up. I went ahead and bought the $2 
spacer and long nut and will put them on tonight.

So, the battery was good and the starter was good, it was just that because of 
the corrosion, the battery couldn't get enough juice to the starter.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread John Robbins
R A Bennell wrote:
> I truly believe that anyone who can come up with a complicated mess like that 
> can find a way to do it better. 

Certainly, but the engineers were given design requirements that weren't 
100% in their control. Ie, it has to fit under this dashboard, and you 
can't cut any holes in the firewall (safety and sound problems?).  There 
are compromises in every design decision in that car, and putting the 
evaporator in the middle of the dash is a result of that.  Besides, 
SOMETHING is going to be buried deep in the dash, what else would you 
rather put there?

Personally, the fact that you can remove all that stuff and put it back 
together in 10 hours (if you're an experienced mechanic) shows that a 
lot of good engineering went into putting all those parts together.

John


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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Cars are built for assembly, not repair.  Benzes are a bit of an 
exception, but even there you have some horrendous jobs that really make 
you wonder.

The antenna on my wife's Suburban broke off at the stud of the fitting 
on the end of the antenna cable, where the antenna attaches, by the 
fender.  I order a new one, which  comes with a cable, but the old 
antenna does not fit the stud (the studs kept breaking, so they made the 
stud bigger, duh.), which only the dealer has for $30 (v. the ones you 
buy at the auto parts for like $5).  I ask about how to get the cable to 
the radio. That was like a $700 job, the whole dash had to come out to 
get at where the cable went through the firewall right by the antenna 
stud, thence to the radio back along the inside of  the firewall behind 
the dash, somewhere, and into the radio which is stuffed up in the top 
somewhere above the center console so you can't reach up to the back of 
it .  No way possible to get it to the radio without doing all that.  
How f'n stupid is that for a part you know is going to break, or a 
really simple antenna cable?  I spliced the cable together but it does 
not work well.

--R

John Robbins wrote:
> R A Bennell wrote:
>   
>> That is truly ridiculous. The engineers who design these things should be 
>> sent into the field to perform repairs on
>> some of their designs. It might result in  better design. Unfortunately, MB 
>> is not alone. I have done a Taurus
>> heater core that required almost that level of dismantling and I understand 
>> the F150 trucks that I currently have
>> are no fun to do either. There should be a little door that requires the 
>> removal of 4 screws and the offending part
>> should slide on out.
>> 
>
> If there was a way to do that don't you think they would have done it 
> that way?  What is your plan to put all that together and only need an 
> access panel?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
I truly believe that anyone who can come up with a complicated mess like that 
can find a way to do it better. There
should be some means of providing a panel on the firewall under the hood. 
Alternatively, move the thing forward
into the console at the base of the dash.

Minds that can build space ships and super sonic aircraft and nuclear 
submarines and . . . and . . . (surely I need
not go on ) should be capable of making mechanical things repairable in the 
field. Too often this garbage is driven
solely by money. If it is good enough to survive the warranty period in most 
cases, then that is all the builder
cares about. That is just not good enough - especially as we move towards a 
world where we are expected to
re-cycle. Folks used to do that - they repaired things or they got things 
repaired. Today it is getting to the
point where a whole lot of things cannot be repaired and one of the deterrents 
to repair is the cost of labor. If
things were designed to ease repair, then there would be less obsolescence and 
things would last longer and we
wouldn't need to worry about what happens when we put it out with the trash.

Randy

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R A Bennell wrote:
> That is truly ridiculous. The engineers who design these things should be 
> sent into the field to perform repairs
on
> some of their designs. It might result in  better design. Unfortunately, MB 
> is not alone. I have done a Taurus
> heater core that required almost that level of dismantling and I understand 
> the F150 trucks that I currently have
> are no fun to do either. There should be a little door that requires the 
> removal of 4 screws and the offending
part
> should slide on out.

If there was a way to do that don't you think they would have done it
that way?  What is your plan to put all that together and only need an
access panel?



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Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
It suffers from Peyronie's Disease, like Bill Clinton.

--R

R A Bennell wrote:
> So, why was the linkage bent? Does not sound like something that should 
> happen with daily driving.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD
>
>
> Correction:  ONE linkage rod was bent.
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> The verdict is in:  the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall
>   

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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread John Robbins
R A Bennell wrote:
> That is truly ridiculous. The engineers who design these things should be 
> sent into the field to perform repairs on
> some of their designs. It might result in  better design. Unfortunately, MB 
> is not alone. I have done a Taurus
> heater core that required almost that level of dismantling and I understand 
> the F150 trucks that I currently have
> are no fun to do either. There should be a little door that requires the 
> removal of 4 screws and the offending part
> should slide on out.

If there was a way to do that don't you think they would have done it 
that way?  What is your plan to put all that together and only need an 
access panel?



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Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD

2008-05-08 Thread Rolf
The vertical one? It is supposed to be bent... Is this you or a mechanic
telling you this?

-Rolf
andrew strasfogel wrote:
> The verdict is in:  the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall,
> which caused total loss of power.  However, until they road test the car
> (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack
> of fourth gear.  Stay tuned...
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>> The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the
>>> engine
>>> when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it
>>> slowed
>>> down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off).
>>>   
>> You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.
>>
>> 
>>> There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut
>>> off a
>>> runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot...
>>>   
>> That's not what you had.  You can tell because you didn't need
>> new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car.
>>
>> 
>>> I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this
>>> cannot be done from the foot throttle.
>>>   
>> As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.  Fix it,
>> you'll be amazed.  The adjustment procedure in the book is a
>> good place to start.  That and replacing/repairing any part
>> you find along the way that is broken.
>>
>> I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO
>> was convinced that it needed a new transmission.  No, it needed
>> the throttle linkage corrected.  For ZERO cost!  (OK, I also put
>> in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's
>> not the point.)  The throttle linkage got that car sold for a
>> parts car price.
>>
>> http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html
>>
>> You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when
>> it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
That is truly ridiculous. The engineers who design these things should be sent 
into the field to perform repairs on
some of their designs. It might result in  better design. Unfortunately, MB is 
not alone. I have done a Taurus
heater core that required almost that level of dismantling and I understand the 
F150 trucks that I currently have
are no fun to do either. There should be a little door that requires the 
removal of 4 screws and the offending part
should slide on out.

Randy

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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Don't know if I can stand the "trauma" of knowing that somebody else has
> done/is doing this to my car.  I may have to do it myself - 'just need to be
> patient.
>http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080507/83513e22/attachment.jpg
>

Holy dashboard disembowelment, Batman!  Looks like a bear was trying
to find something to eat in there.

Nevertheless, I can believe the claims I've heard that it's not a
difficult job, just one that requires patience and the discipline to
label and/or take pictures of everything so you can keep track of how
it goes back together.  Supposed to take a weekend the first time you
do it, or 6 hrs if you're Dave Meimann.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al.

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Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
So, why was the linkage bent? Does not sound like something that should happen 
with daily driving.

Randy

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Correction:  ONE linkage rod was bent.

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The verdict is in:  the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall,
> which caused total loss of power.  However, until they road test the car
> (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack
> of fourth gear.  Stay tuned...
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the
>> > engine
>> > when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it
>> > slowed
>> > down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off).
>>
>> You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.
>>
>> > There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut
>> > off a
>> > runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot...
>>
>> That's not what you had.  You can tell because you didn't need
>> new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car.
>>
>> > I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this
>> > cannot be done from the foot throttle.
>>
>> As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.  Fix it,
>> you'll be amazed.  The adjustment procedure in the book is a
>> good place to start.  That and replacing/repairing any part
>> you find along the way that is broken.
>>
>> I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO
>> was convinced that it needed a new transmission.  No, it needed
>> the throttle linkage corrected.  For ZERO cost!  (OK, I also put
>> in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's
>> not the point.)  The throttle linkage got that car sold for a
>> parts car price.
>>
>> http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html
>>
>> You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when
>> it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD

2008-05-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
Correction:  ONE linkage rod was bent.

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The verdict is in:  the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall,
> which caused total loss of power.  However, until they road test the car
> (again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack
> of fourth gear.  Stay tuned...
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the
>> > engine
>> > when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it
>> > slowed
>> > down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off).
>>
>> You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.
>>
>> > There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut
>> > off a
>> > runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot...
>>
>> That's not what you had.  You can tell because you didn't need
>> new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car.
>>
>> > I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this
>> > cannot be done from the foot throttle.
>>
>> As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.  Fix it,
>> you'll be amazed.  The adjustment procedure in the book is a
>> good place to start.  That and replacing/repairing any part
>> you find along the way that is broken.
>>
>> I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO
>> was convinced that it needed a new transmission.  No, it needed
>> the throttle linkage corrected.  For ZERO cost!  (OK, I also put
>> in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's
>> not the point.)  The throttle linkage got that car sold for a
>> parts car price.
>>
>> http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html
>>
>> You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when
>> it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] SOS - "Sluggo" 1985 300CD

2008-05-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
The verdict is in:  the linkage rods was bent that comes up the firewall,
which caused total loss of power.  However, until they road test the car
(again) it isn't clear yet whether this also accounts for the previous lack
of fourth gear.  Stay tuned...

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The MB tech pressed down on something on the firewall to stop the
> > engine
> > when he realized that the STOP lever was not able to do the job (it
> > slowed
> > down the engine but couldn't quite shut it off).
>
> You have what sounds like a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.
>
> > There's nothing quite as embarrassing as trying fruitlessly to shut
> > off a
> > runaway diesel in a Lord and Taylor parking lot...
>
> That's not what you had.  You can tell because you didn't need
> new underwear, nor did parts fly through the hood of your car.
>
> > I can manually send the revs up by pulling on the linkages but this
> > cannot be done from the foot throttle.
>
> As I said, a seriously screwed up throttle linkage.  Fix it,
> you'll be amazed.  The adjustment procedure in the book is a
> good place to start.  That and replacing/repairing any part
> you find along the way that is broken.
>
> I bought a car for $500 that I sold for $2500 because the PO
> was convinced that it needed a new transmission.  No, it needed
> the throttle linkage corrected.  For ZERO cost!  (OK, I also put
> in a bunch of TLC and about $500 of other parts too, but that's
> not the point.)  The throttle linkage got that car sold for a
> parts car price.
>
> http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html
>
> You can imagine just how well a 240D automatic performs when
> it can only unleash about 1/4 throttle's worth of ponies.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 PS Pump ?

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> I thought this was the quick and dirty check for loose ball joints.
> Am I totally confused?

12 o'clock and 6 o'clock is for ball joints. 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock
is for steering (but most tie rod wear goes away when you jack up the
car, so it's best done on the ground or preferably turntables).

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Re: [MBZ] W123 PS Pump ?

2008-05-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:44 AM, MG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jack up the front end of the car and check the bearings on the wheels.
> Grab the wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock move the wheels back and forth, push
> on front and pull on back and then vice versa and see if they feel loose.

I thought this was the quick and dirty check for loose ball joints.
Am I totally confused?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Get four colors of dog toe nail polish, it's very fast drying with bright
> colors.  Use a dot or two on each side of diconnects and for position
> indicators.

Now THAT is a great tip!

This list never ceases to amaze me.

Thanks, Harry.

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Harry Watkins
Wilton, go here for a good heads up on a 123, even though I know you have a
124, http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator.  It could be that
someone has recorded a 124, don't know.

Before you pick up a tool, pick up a camera EACH AND EVERY TIME and use it
in the area of current work.  Use video and you can add voice notes.

Get four colors of dog toe nail polish, it's very fast drying with bright
colors.  Use a dot or two on each side of diconnects and for position
indicators.

Good luck
Harry

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have another car (91 350SDL) and PLENTY of time.  I'm leaning strongly
> toward doing the swap myself.
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread Gary Thompson
Even a very good pro who does about one a week has told me it takes
HIM 8-10 hours. Of course he charges for 18 book hours...

If I use the common acceptable pro-to-me fudge factor, I'd have to
plan on about 40 hours of labor, not including beer drinking and head
scratching.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/8/08, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Holy dashboard disembowelment, Batman!  Looks like a bear was trying
> to find something to eat in there.
>
> Nevertheless, I can believe the claims I've heard that it's not a
> difficult job, just one that requires patience and the discipline to
> label and/or take pictures of everything so you can keep track of how
> it goes back together.  Supposed to take a weekend the first time you
> do it, or 6 hrs if you're Dave Meimann.
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Valvoline Synthetic on sale @Checker, R134 too

2008-05-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
> For those that are not stuck on Mobil 1, this is a good deal.  You can
> buy it at the sale price of $3.49/qt, and then get a rebate of $15/6
> qts, making the price 99 cents for full synthetic.
> R134 is buy 2 get one free or about $6/can.  No license required.

Great deal on the R134, but the mention of Valvoline "synthetic" is,
I'm sure, making Dr. Booth roll over in his grave!  Didn't he always
maintain that it wasn't a true synthetic, hardly better than
conventional, and thus not worth the price?  (OTOH, $.99 a qt is a
good deal no matter what it is.)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Curt Raymond

Loads of times I've had a battery with enough power to trip the solenoid 
(click) but not run the starter...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:51:29 -0500
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Randy wrote:  "I think I would load test the battery before I bought a
 new starter."

I thought about that also, but it is not clicking fast like a low
 battery, it is just one click. But, I won't condemn the starter until I have
 exhausted the tests on the cheaper items.

Donald H. Snook

   
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[MBZ] OT: Valvoline Synthetic on sale @Checker, R134 too

2008-05-08 Thread jfreezn
For those that are not stuck on Mobil 1, this is a good deal.  You can 
buy it at the sale price of $3.49/qt, and then get a rebate of $15/6 
qts, making the price 99 cents for full synthetic.  rebate is limited 
to 12 quarts. How they can sell this for 4 bucks a gallon, when diesel 
fuel is higher than that, is beyond me!

R134 is buy 2 get one free or about $6/can.  No license required.

Checker is part of CSK (checker, shucks, kragen) recently bought by 
O'Reilly Check your local on line ad, good 'till the 26th.

No affiliation.

Jim in Phoenix


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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Long guns, not handguns, IIRC, however never a good idea to accept The Big
One's statistical assertions at face value.

Mac

on 5/8/08 8:25, Jeff Zedic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Actually, didn't Bowling for Columbine say that Canada had more guns
> per capita, or a similar amount, than the US?
> 
> The Brits have guns too. Unfortunately their standard issue wep in
> Afghanistan/Iraq tends to jam in the heat and doesn't like dust...go
> figure.
> 
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[MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-08 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63
Don,

If the headgasket has ruptured at front oil passage, oil consumption should 
skyrocket.  Any sign of coolant in oil or vice versa?  Consider an engine oil 
analysis to know for sure if you've got coolant being burned.

Have you tried unplugging the EDS computer connection on back of IP?

Max

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Re: [MBZ] Slot car cam

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
> 
> That first car looks like an old SL?

Yep, and the 2nd car looks like an old Aston Martin, reminds me of Bond's
DB5. I like the blue E-type too. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Well, Fred Thompson leased that red pickup truck just for his Senate
campaign after making a similar assessment of what would be best in TN. He
seemed to have pulled of the idea that it was authentic.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Randy wrote:  "Although, one must admit, that in middle America, it may be
considered more appropriate to drive a Buick - especially if our friend has
any political aspirations."

That is true. Fred Thompson (from Tennessee) campaigned in his old red
pickup for his Senate seat.  I think though, I could have a little newer
Buick and still not look like I was "putting on airs" or "driving some
foreign kraut car."

If I ever do run, I hope they don't find out I have had 6 Benzes.

One of our local judges traded off his fancy Cadillac and bought a Grand Am
when he ran for re-election.

I used to work for a Congressman in Missouri and he always rented the
cheapest cars when he was back in the district. He had worked out some cheap
arrangement with a local car rental agency.  He kept the Mercedes back in
D.C.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Stick 201 gasser on Portland CL

2008-05-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/671930741.html
>>
>> So what kind of mileage does one of these get?
>
> Probably mid-upper 20s if it's running right and you drive it carefully.

That's kind of what I thought.  Not great, considering it needs
premium, I suppose.

> I don't see a hood star on that car, the wheels look wrong, and there's
> probably a need for the seat covers and the wheel arch covers.

I am baffled by the wheels too.  They look like bundts to me, but did
the 201 ever come with bundts?  Only other M-B factory wheel with a
similar shape is the CLK lightweight forged wheel, and those are 16".
I am waiting for higher-res photos to clear up that mystery.  I don't
have a problem with the sheepskins, but from my limited experience
with wheel arch covers if the sheetmetal underneath wasn't rusty when
they were put on, it is now---they do a fine job of trapping muck.

> What's with all the grill ornamentation? Does it have mileage badges all
> the way to a billion meters?

I assumed that meant it was owned by an eccentric Bavarian immigrant
who doted on it like his own offspring, but maybe that's wishful
thinking.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Curt Raymond

Me three.

I have a very nice gigantic battery in my Dakota because the AAA guy didn't let 
the battery recharge after jumping it.
My wife had left the interior lights on over night...
The battery in it wasn't old.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:28:59 -0500
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I think I would load test the battery before I bought a new starter.

Randy

   
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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Donald Snook
Randy wrote:  "Although, one must admit, that in middle America, it may be 
considered more appropriate to drive a Buick - especially if our friend has any 
political aspirations."

That is true. Fred Thompson (from Tennessee) campaigned in his old red pickup 
for his Senate seat.  I think though, I could have a little newer buick and 
still not look like I was "putting on airs" or "driving some foreign kraut car."

If I ever do run, I hope they don't find out I have had 6 Benzes.

One of our local judges traded off his fancy Cadillac and bought a Grand Am 
when he ran for re-election.

I used to work for a Congressman in Missouri and he always rented the cheapest 
cars when he was back in the district. He had worked out some cheap arrangement 
with a local car rental agency.  He kept the Mercedes back in D.C.

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Slot car cam

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
That first car looks like an old SL?

--R

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/05/slot_car_cam.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890

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[MBZ] 124 evaporator R&R [was: 124 cooling (A/C) system]

2008-05-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Don't know if I can stand the "trauma" of knowing that somebody else has
> done/is doing this to my car.  I may have to do it myself - 'just need to be
> patient.
>http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080507/83513e22/attachment.jpg
>

Holy dashboard disembowelment, Batman!  Looks like a bear was trying
to find something to eat in there.

Nevertheless, I can believe the claims I've heard that it's not a
difficult job, just one that requires patience and the discipline to
label and/or take pictures of everything so you can keep track of how
it goes back together.  Supposed to take a weekend the first time you
do it, or 6 hrs if you're Dave Meimann.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al.

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[MBZ] For Sale: 1992 300D 2.5T

2008-05-08 Thread John Robbins
My brother has decided to be fiscally conservative (unlike the example 
I'm setting for him), and has decided he doesn't need two cars.  So the 
2.5T is officially for sale.

1992 300D 2.5T, 303k miles, Starkville, MS

http://picasaweb.google.com/Tymbrymi/92_300D

I want $5k, and it needs new tires.  The center drag link for the 
steering went bad, and the front tires went nearly bald (nearly to the 
wear markers) before I had the chance to fix it.  Then I had a flat tire 
that cut a sidewall...  So if you were to make a cross country trip you 
wouldn't have a spare tire.  I'll gladly put on a set of tires of your 
choice for cost if you would like.  Although I'm not 100% sure if there 
needs to be an alignment after the drag-link replacement.  I doubt it 
since there isn't any adjustment on it, but you never know.

Since I bought it at 292k...

--New windshield, rust repair, repainted roof and c pillars ($1200)
--Euro headlights from Katmac Imports (not Bosch, but still good)
--Rebuilt injectors at local Bosch shop
--New glowplugs


I have been using Mobil 1 5w-40 Turbo Diesel Truck.  Same as the Delvac1 
synthetic the truckers use.  I've changed it ~3 times in the 10k miles 
I've owned it.  I have records (of when I changed it, not oil purchase 
receipts).

There is one spot of rust bubbling up underneath the paint in the center 
of the passenger door.  That is the only body rust I know of.  The car 
did come from Ohio, and a lot of fasteners, etc have rust on them.  I 
believe the body to be straight though. The trunk lid has a few 
scratches on it.

The interior is in very good shape.  The carpets are a little 
worn/sunwashed, but Rusty sells OE floormat sets for $100.  The drivers 
seat has a little wear on it, there are two small tears shown in the 
pictures.  All the other seats are in great shape.  The worst thing 
about the interior is the little sliding wood lid for the center console 
compartment.  The latch part at the end has become disconnected from the 
wood that rolls.  I have it taken apart and it should be an easy fix 
with a little glue.

Mechanical work it needs: The brakes are *mildly* warped and there is a 
lip on the rim of the front rotors. There is a lifter tick.  Possibly 
needs alignment.  The transmission shifts a little rough for my liking 
under moderate throttle (just fine at light throttle).  The idle isn't 
perfectly smooth (smoothest of all the diesels I've ridden in minus my 
CDI).

I am the 4th owner, Sunil was the 3rd, the 2nd owner owned the car from 
200k to 286k.  The second owner never sent Sunil his records, so there 
are no receipts but he told Sunil that a lot of work was done.  I have 
all the records from the first owner.

The second owner supposedly replaced the head gasket, tranny, and 
suspension.  The lifter tick makes me wonder about the headwork, but it 
is possible for it to have failed after it was done.  10k miles of 
synthetic haven't cleared it up...

Overall it is a very nice 16 year old car.  It needs a few little things 
to get it in perfect shape, but I don't need four Mercedes, especially 
with one of them being a CDI.  Up till I bought the CDI I was planning 
on taking this car to Phoenix, and the car easily made the trip up to 
the IowaQ.

Let me know if you guys are interested...

I will gladly meet anyone at the Jackson airport.

John


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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Donald Snook wrote:
>  it is not clicking fast like a low battery, it is just one click.

Does the dome light go out when it makes that one click?

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Donald Snook
Andrew wrote: "What's a nice lawyerly guy doing with a $500 Kaleb special that 
isn't even a Benz?"

I sold my wife's explorer because I wanted something else and she wanted my 
Expedition.  I had a friend with this old buick, I offered him $500 and he took 
it.  So, I figured I would drive it for a while. It gets a lot better mileage 
than my Expedition did.  I was planning to drive it for 6 months or so and go 
pay cash for a cheap car (maybe not quite this cheap).  I also need something 
to drive, while I find a 124 gasser - which is what I really want.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Donald Snook
Randy wrote:  "I think I would load test the battery before I bought a new 
starter."

I thought about that also, but it is not clicking fast like a low battery, it 
is just one click. But, I won't condemn the starter until I have exhausted the 
tests on the cheaper items.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I'd vote for a cable check, at the battery to begin with.  Ground cable 
gets loose, no starty.

--R
>> I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't
>> start. It would click once, but not start.
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump for oil sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
The container collapse is your visual cue that all is well in the vacuum 
world.  I have mine finely calibrated so I know precisely how much vac 
it is pulling.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>   
>> If the oil sucker pump pulls too much vacuum, reduce it with an additional
>> opening in the vac hose - not the oil evac tube - the vac hose from pump/vac
>> to the oil receiver tank.
>> 
>
> I've decided to build mine with a scrap of standard 1/2" ID x 5/8" OD copper
> house plumbing pipe, and use 5/8" hose to the oil collector. 
> I just checked a few minutes ago, and the 1/2" copper is a snug
> slip fit in both my 190D and my 190e. I assume my 300SD is the
> same size. 
> More flow capacity in the oil tubing will lead to less pressure
> differential and quicker evacuation of the crankcase. I'm hoping that
> will eliminate any tendency to collapse the collection container.
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Re: [MBZ] This 123 sure can tow

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, that was the part that confused me, but I looked at the ample 
posterior and determined she was in stealth mode, even without the 
fetching pant suit, trying to crash the party since she is being 
rejected in her own.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> You mean McCain - it's a GOP elephant.
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Wow, Hillary getting towed around by a 123.  Who'd a thunk it.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> Donald Snook wrote:
>> 
>>> Take a look at this photo.  Who knew the 123 could tow so much>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
I will try both of your ideas.

I do use the parking brake most times when I park the car even though I am 
generally on pretty flat ground here.
Just a habit.

The parking brake light was working properly before I bled the rear brakes. I 
therefore doubt that it is the
parking brake but one should never assume this sort of thing without testing.

Randy

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Randy,


If there is a pressure differential switch in the brake system you might
get it to reset by stepping on the brake peddle real hard while standing
still. You might even feel a small bump as the switch moves back to a
neutral position, some GMs do that. Regular driving you may not be
pushing on the brakes hard enough to do that.

That said, I take it that you use the parking brakes every time you park
the car? If not, just for the heck of it pull on the brake release and
pull up on the park brake peddle with your foot. That one has caught
quite a few people who knew that their parking brakes were just fine but
never used them (someone sitting in this very seat whom we will not name
at this time due to the delicate nature of said persons sensibilities).
The peddle tends to stiffen up over time when it is not used and then it
gets touched just enough to turn on the light and never goes off till
the peddle is actually pulled up. That sometimes happens when someone is
helping to bleed the system. Happened to me more then once over the
years. Sometimes was done as a joke by those who shall remain unnamed.
Leads to much hair pulling and eventually laughter, on the part of those
in the know. Might just be your problem. Not that I'm accusing anyone of
deliberately trying to pull a funny on you.


Manfred




Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:48:06 -0500
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I believe there is fluid in the back part of the resevoir. I have also
  thought about unplugging the sensor wires
and testing for continuity on the resevoir pins. I also wondered if
  unplugging might reset something but probably
not as this is pretty basic system and not a new computerized gizmo. I
  don't think it is likely to be the parking
brake as that part has worked flawlessly for the past 3 summers.

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
Although, one must admit, that in middle America, it may be considered more 
appropriate to drive a Buick -
especially if our friend has any political aspirations.

Randy

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What's a nice lawyerly guy doing with a $500 Kaleb special that isn't even a
Benz?

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't
> start. It would click once, but not start.  I think it's the starter.  It
> could also be the battery cable.  These cars have a problem with a spacer in
> the cable that corrodes.  I was dressed in my suit because I had to meet a
> client for her deposition this morning.  So, I had to get my wife out to
> help me try to start it while whacking the starter with a hammer while
> laying on the drive in my suit and tie. And of course, it didn't work.  So,
> we had to push it out of the way, in order to get my wife's car out of the
> garage, so I could drive it.  Crazy morning.  I am rushing to my office and
> my client is trying to reach me, I am driving too fast and trying to answer
> my cell phone, I ran a red light by mistake (luckily no one around) and when
> I finally get to work, my client is calling because they cannot come to the
> deposition because the Joint Commission on Accredidation of Hospitals is
> there for their SURPRISE inspection.  It is once every three years and it
> was today without any notice.   What a morning.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
Slumming!

Randy

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What's a nice lawyerly guy doing with a $500 Kaleb special that isn't even a
Benz?

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't
> start. It would click once, but not start.  I think it's the starter.  It
> could also be the battery cable.  These cars have a problem with a spacer in
> the cable that corrodes.  I was dressed in my suit because I had to meet a
> client for her deposition this morning.  So, I had to get my wife out to
> help me try to start it while whacking the starter with a hammer while
> laying on the drive in my suit and tie. And of course, it didn't work.  So,
> we had to push it out of the way, in order to get my wife's car out of the
> garage, so I could drive it.  Crazy morning.  I am rushing to my office and
> my client is trying to reach me, I am driving too fast and trying to answer
> my cell phone, I ran a red light by mistake (luckily no one around) and when
> I finally get to work, my client is calling because they cannot come to the
> deposition because the Joint Commission on Accredidation of Hospitals is
> there for their SURPRISE inspection.  It is once every three years and it
> was today without any notice.   What a morning.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
What's a nice lawyerly guy doing with a $500 Kaleb special that isn't even a
Benz?

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't
> start. It would click once, but not start.  I think it's the starter.  It
> could also be the battery cable.  These cars have a problem with a spacer in
> the cable that corrodes.  I was dressed in my suit because I had to meet a
> client for her deposition this morning.  So, I had to get my wife out to
> help me try to start it while whacking the starter with a hammer while
> laying on the drive in my suit and tie. And of course, it didn't work.  So,
> we had to push it out of the way, in order to get my wife's car out of the
> garage, so I could drive it.  Crazy morning.  I am rushing to my office and
> my client is trying to reach me, I am driving too fast and trying to answer
> my cell phone, I ran a red light by mistake (luckily no one around) and when
> I finally get to work, my client is calling because they cannot come to the
> deposition because the Joint Commission on Accredidation of Hospitals is
> there for their SURPRISE inspection.  It is once every three years and it
> was today without any notice.   What a morning.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread R A Bennell
I think I would load test the battery before I bought a new starter.

Randy

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I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't start. 
It would click once, but not start.
I think it's the starter.  It could also be the battery cable.  These cars have 
a problem with a spacer in the
cable that corrodes.  I was dressed in my suit because I had to meet a client 
for her deposition this morning.  So,
I had to get my wife out to help me try to start it while whacking the starter 
with a hammer while laying on the
drive in my suit and tie. And of course, it didn't work.  So, we had to push it 
out of the way, in order to get my
wife's car out of the garage, so I could drive it.  Crazy morning.  I am 
rushing to my office and my client is
trying to reach me, I am driving too fast and trying to answer my cell phone, I 
ran a red light by mistake (luckily
no one around) and when I finally get to work, my client is calling because 
they cannot come to the deposition
because the Joint Commission on Accredidation of Hospitals is there for their 
SURPRISE inspection.  It is once
every three years and it was today without any notice.   What a morning.

Donald H. Snook




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[MBZ] My $500 Kaleb Car let me down

2008-05-08 Thread Donald Snook
I went out to start my $500 Buick Lesabre this morning and it wouldn't start. 
It would click once, but not start.  I think it's the starter.  It could also 
be the battery cable.  These cars have a problem with a spacer in the cable 
that corrodes.  I was dressed in my suit because I had to meet a client for her 
deposition this morning.  So, I had to get my wife out to help me try to start 
it while whacking the starter with a hammer while laying on the drive in my 
suit and tie. And of course, it didn't work.  So, we had to push it out of the 
way, in order to get my wife's car out of the garage, so I could drive it.  
Crazy morning.  I am rushing to my office and my client is trying to reach me, 
I am driving too fast and trying to answer my cell phone, I ran a red light by 
mistake (luckily no one around) and when I finally get to work, my client is 
calling because they cannot come to the deposition because the Joint Commission 
on Accredidation of Hospitals is there for their SURPRISE inspection.  It is 
once every three years and it was today without any notice.   What a morning.

Donald H. Snook




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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump for oil sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 
> If the oil sucker pump pulls too much vacuum, reduce it with an additional
> opening in the vac hose - not the oil evac tube - the vac hose from pump/vac
> to the oil receiver tank.

I've decided to build mine with a scrap of standard 1/2" ID x 5/8" OD copper
house plumbing pipe, and use 5/8" hose to the oil collector. 
I just checked a few minutes ago, and the 1/2" copper is a snug
slip fit in both my 190D and my 190e. I assume my 300SD is the
same size. 
More flow capacity in the oil tubing will lead to less pressure
differential and quicker evacuation of the crankcase. I'm hoping that
will eliminate any tendency to collapse the collection container.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread MG
I though that was the one that was blood, sweat and tears.

Manfred



Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:45:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Foo, just plan on a long weekend of work and swap that puppy out.
   Change all the servos too -- and you will have a new AC system!

It's quite fiddly, but nothing that requires an advanced degree.  Be
  careful not to break the switch bar above the pushbutton unit, and don't
  pinch the wires putting the heater box back in, and the rest of it is
  just sweat and swearing.

Peter

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[MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Wilton Strickland
I have another car (91 350SDL) and PLENTY of time.  I'm leaning strongly
toward doing the swap myself.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-08 Thread MG
Randy,


If there is a pressure differential switch in the brake system you might 
get it to reset by stepping on the brake peddle real hard while standing 
still. You might even feel a small bump as the switch moves back to a 
neutral position, some GMs do that. Regular driving you may not be 
pushing on the brakes hard enough to do that.

That said, I take it that you use the parking brakes every time you park 
the car? If not, just for the heck of it pull on the brake release and 
pull up on the park brake peddle with your foot. That one has caught 
quite a few people who knew that their parking brakes were just fine but 
never used them (someone sitting in this very seat whom we will not name 
at this time due to the delicate nature of said persons sensibilities). 
The peddle tends to stiffen up over time when it is not used and then it 
gets touched just enough to turn on the light and never goes off till 
the peddle is actually pulled up. That sometimes happens when someone is 
helping to bleed the system. Happened to me more then once over the 
years. Sometimes was done as a joke by those who shall remain unnamed. 
Leads to much hair pulling and eventually laughter, on the part of those 
in the know. Might just be your problem. Not that I'm accusing anyone of 
deliberately trying to pull a funny on you.


Manfred




Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:48:06 -0500
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I believe there is fluid in the back part of the resevoir. I have also
  thought about unplugging the sensor wires
and testing for continuity on the resevoir pins. I also wondered if
  unplugging might reset something but probably
not as this is pretty basic system and not a new computerized gizmo. I
  don't think it is likely to be the parking
brake as that part has worked flawlessly for the past 3 summers.

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[MBZ] W123 PS Pump ?

2008-05-08 Thread MG
Larry,

Jack up the front end of the car and check the bearings on the wheels. 
Grab the wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock move the wheels back and forth, push 
on front and pull on back and then vice versa and see if they feel loose.
A power steering pump usually sounds like a higher pitched whining then 
a low rumble roar. The noise would be there all the time and get worse 
if the wheel is turned either left or right. Loose bearings would tend 
to go away if the wheel it turned one way or the other.

Manfred




Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:51:03 -0400
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


My 78 240D has developed a roar once road speed is above 15mph or so -
  but
when the steering wheel is turned to the left the roar goes away --
  does
that seem like the roar is coming from the PS pump?  I've been trying
  to
diagnose this noise for some time - a year or so. The PS acts normally
  - no
additional effort is needed to steer (that I can detect) - there's no
  other
noises coming from the pump like groaning when turning and no other
  symptoms
are present.

I did notice one other thing - when I checked the fluid level
  immediately
after driving, the fluid looked undisturbed - typically I believe the
  fluid
will look like it's been moving - frothy with bubbles on the surface of
  the
fluid I believe - but in this case, the fluid looke like a quiet pool.

I have a used PS Pump on the way so I;ll switch them out regardless --
  just
curious if this sounds like a PS pump problem -

TIA -

Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)

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Re: [MBZ] Buzzer

2008-05-08 Thread MG
Curt,
I'm not an expert on the MB buzzer box as I've never had the pleasure of 
taking one apart but if what you saw was a small black box piece with 
two connections in there that would do the buzzing, you might want to 
get an after market add-on buzzer at someplace like Autozone or Advance 
sometimes Walmart. They are usually small (1/2 x 3/4 x1/2 inch or less) 
with two wires coming out that you would hook between the headlight and 
the ignition wires. They don't cost more than 3-5 bucks and may work in 
place of that little black box thingie. Do a temp solder job on the 
wires to the black box input and then if it works just replace the box 
with this one and use a bit of epoxy to hold it in place. If you need it 
to be louder then drill a big enough hole in the plastic overcase and 
glue the buzzer to that with the sound opening to the hole.

Manfred



Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I should have taken pictures, what you're describing seems in no way to
  relate to what I saw.
Inside the casing I found NO moving parts, just a little black box
  buzzer thing which made very little noise.
I also saw no way for it to contact the case...

-Curt

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[MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-08 Thread MG
Don,

Just catching up on the digests. Before you take off the head you might 
want to check the timing chain and if that's good then check the 
injection timing. It sounds like the timing is retarded. Stretched 
timing chain can do that if everything else is OK. Then when you take 
off the head to do the gasket you can do the timing chain at the same time.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:51:54 -0500
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


My son's "new" '87 300D misses, or stumbles when warm and idling. It's
like it fails to fire once every second or two. It looks like the
delivery valve seals are leaking some, but Diesel is not pouring off
the top of the IP.
It also blows white smoke when it starts - till warm - and smells like
fresh Diesel - so I'm suspecting faulty glowing for this.
It clatta, clatta's a bit louder than I think it should as well. There
are only 197,000 miles on it - should be almost like new.
The #14 head seems fine - no pressure in the radiator hoses, etc.

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[MBZ] Vacuum pump oil sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Doesn't take much vacuum to SIPHON hot oil.  Whatever vacuum the "pump"
produces can be VERY easily regulated.

Wilton


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[MBZ] Vacuum pump for oil sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Wilton Strickland
If the oil sucker pump pulls too much vacuum, reduce it with an additional
opening in the vac hose - not the oil evac tube - the vac hose from pump/vac
to the oil receiver tank.

BTW, 5/8 x 3/8 is a standard hose.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Curt Raymond

Not gone, my $400 240D will be coming home soon. I was also offered a free 240D 
that I'm starting to kick myself over.
That one (I won't mention the owner to protect a good person) needs a radiator 
and some welding. If it were closer I'd have jumped on it although 
the last thing I need is my own albatross. I've got 2 motorcycles disassembled 
in my garage right now, not to mention the 1965 Snapper RER.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:32:50 -0700
From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> My problem is getting a big enough block of time where I don't need a
> vehicle. It is tempting to buy a $500 beater to drive around while I
> work on the MB.

Best of both: a $500 beater MB.  Or are those all gone now?
I've bought six in that territory, all diesels.  [EMAIL PROTECTED], $350,
$400, and $500.  All are, or will be, daily drivers.  Most
have weighed in at about $1000 when 'done', and a hundred
or so hours of TLC spread out over some time.  The Frankenheap,
its better-than-it-was parts car that now the neighbor is
prepping for his son to drive, the 190D, the Albatross,
and the Chicken Wagon.  We still have three, I also sold
the Albatross (which is when it got its name).

Anybody with older cars (especially, or really _any_ cars)
should IMHO have N+1 vehicles at their disposal, where N is
the number of drivers.  The extra can also be a utility vehicle,
such as a truck.  You're never stuck for a ride that way.
Take my advice, however, that 6N is too big a number!

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Gary Thompson
I've tried the Cliplight Super Seal Pro. Works OK for small pinholes.
Unfortunately, given enough time, the seams in the MB evaporator will
fail, causing long ugly cracks. There's no sealant I know of that will
work for long. Kinda like trying to stop a windshied crack from
running all the way across your vision if you can't drill the end of
the crack to relieve the pressure.

Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/8/08, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here we go:
> http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/ac_sealants_p2.php
>
> John Keilly, of Keilly's Automotive, Bradenton, FL has been using the
> Keep-It-Kool sealant for over a year and has yet to find a "small" leak that
> can't be fixed. A small leak is where the system will still hold a 29" vacuum
> for at least 45 minutes. For evaporator leaks on a Chrysler minivan, without
> hesitation he now gives the customer a quote for both the full R & R with
> evaporator replacement, and, the sealer option. As such, what he's now
> experiencing is that the customers no longer walk; they're happy, he's happy.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Curt Raymond

I originally bought a topsider because I didn't have any outside electricity at 
the apartment complex.
Once we bought the house I started using the shop vac as its quicker. Recently 
I went back to using the manual pump on the topsider.
Why? Its quiet... I find changing the oil with the topsider quite relaxing.

I would bet dollars to donuts the topsider hose is the same diameter as 
snowmobile/motorcycle/dirtbike/ATV fuel line. I've got both in the garage maybe 
I'll go see...
I did and it is. The standard clear 1/4" fuel line is thin so the OD is a 
little smaller. The blue type is thicker so the OD appears to be the same or 
maybe slightly smaller but the difference is really small.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 08:55:05 -0400
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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 reply-type=original

you;re probably right - I'll try the shop vac before I do anything
 else.  I 
have some hose that's a little on the small size - wrapping it with
 tape may 
allow it to work.  Now I need to find one of the gas cans I have and
 modify 
it to attach the oil hose and the vacuum hose..

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Here we go:
http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/ac_sealants_p2.php

John Keilly, of Keilly's Automotive, Bradenton, FL has been using the
Keep-It-Kool sealant for over a year and has yet to find a “small” leak that
can't be fixed. A small leak is where the system will still hold a 29” vacuum
for at least 45 minutes. For evaporator leaks on a Chrysler minivan, without
hesitation he now gives the customer a quote for both the full R & R with
evaporator replacement, and, the sealer option. As such, what he’s now
experiencing is that the customers no longer walk; they’re happy, he’s happy.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 'Don't know if I can stand the "trauma" of knowing that somebody else has
> done/is doing this to my car. 

It's your "showroom perfect" car. To them it's just another 20 year old heap
they have to do a hateful job on. 

What about those two part sealants that supposedly epoxy a evaporator?
http://www.keep-it-kool.com/sealer/sealer.html
http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/ac_sealants_p1.php

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Jim Cathey
> My problem is getting a big enough block of time where I don't need a
> vehicle. It is tempting to buy a $500 beater to drive around while I
> work on the MB.

Best of both: a $500 beater MB.  Or are those all gone now?
I've bought six in that territory, all diesels.  [EMAIL PROTECTED], $350,
$400, and $500.  All are, or will be, daily drivers.  Most
have weighed in at about $1000 when 'done', and a hundred
or so hours of TLC spread out over some time.  The Frankenheap,
its better-than-it-was parts car that now the neighbor is
prepping for his son to drive, the 190D, the Albatross,
and the Chicken Wagon.  We still have three, I also sold
the Albatross (which is when it got its name).

Anybody with older cars (especially, or really _any_ cars)
should IMHO have N+1 vehicles at their disposal, where N is
the number of drivers.  The extra can also be a utility vehicle,
such as a truck.  You're never stuck for a ride that way.
Take my advice, however, that 6N is too big a number!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] This 123 sure can tow

2008-05-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
You mean McCain - it's a GOP elephant.

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow, Hillary getting towed around by a 123.  Who'd a thunk it.
>
> --R
>
> Donald Snook wrote:
> > Take a look at this photo.  Who knew the 123 could tow so much>
> >
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Gary Thompson
Did I mention I'd also have to make sure my wife didn't see the work
in progress? She'd have a major fit and be convinced I'd "ruined" the
car. Of course, she doesn't have to drive it all summer either. If she
did, she'd probably agree it's "ruined" now!


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/7/08, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Copied this photo from mercedesshop.
>
> 'Don't know if I can stand the "trauma" of knowing that somebody else has
> done/is doing this to my car.  I may have to do it myself - 'just need to be
> patient.
>
> Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I just used a regular plastic gas can, maybe 2 gal.  The small vac hose 
end fits tightly in the pour hole.  THe sucker hose barb fit nicely in 
the vent hole.  I used the rigid poly tubing (3/8"?) for the sucker end, 
it slides down the dipstick tube (though others report using a larger 
hose that just fits in the top of the dipstick tube).  I like the 
smaller hose because it does not collapse as easily and it can get into 
tighter spots like the PS reservoir, brake reservoir, 700R4 tranny 
dipstick tube, etc.  The can collapses but that does not affect 
functionality.

--R

LarryT wrote:
> you;re probably right - I'll try the shop vac before I do anything else.  I 
> have some hose that's a little on the small size - wrapping it with tape may 
> allow it to work.  Now I need to find one of the gas cans I have and modify 
> it to attach the oil hose and the vacuum hose..
>
> Thanks -- 
>
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker
>
>
>   
>> Y'all are really overthinking the $2 sucker -- just use a shop vac (even
>> my little portable works well).
>>
>> --R
>>
>> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> 
>>> I just had a wonderful thought about using the venturi vac pump:
>>> My air compressor has a regulated output. All I have to do it
>>> dial down the air pressure to set the vacuum wherever I want it.
>>> And the $8 vac pump is lightweight, compact, and I can probably find
>>> a way to mount it to the lid of my plastic hydraulic oil bucket.
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[MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Copied this photo from mercedesshop.

'Don't know if I can stand the "trauma" of knowing that somebody else has
done/is doing this to my car.  I may have to do it myself - 'just need to be
patient.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Jim Cathey
> worst fear is I'd break something getting it apart, and then have to
> wait a week or two to get the parts to get it back together.

And that's where Shoe Goo comes in!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Gary Thompson
My problem is getting a big enough block of time where I don't need a
vehicle. It is tempting to buy a $500 beater to drive around while I
work on the MB.

Between my wife's honey-dos and the kids' sporting events, my weekends
aren't really my own these days.

I've seen pictures of other evap swaps, and they look pretty scary. My
worst fear is I'd break something getting it apart, and then have to
wait a week or two to get the parts to get it back together. Even with
lots of notes and pics, the longer between disassembly and assembly,
the worse off I'd be.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 5/7/08, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "--swap the puppy out--"
>
> For most of my adult life, I wouldn't have hesitated an instant to tackle
> the evaporator swap, and I still may do it.  'Gotta think about it, study,
> plan, etc.  I've always thought that, if I could have a jet engine and other
> assorted aircraft (B-47) parts lying all over the hanger floor and put 'em
> back together to work properly/safely, surely I could "handle" most anything
> on a ground vehicle that cruises at only 60 to 70 knots.
>
> I think I may do it.  I'll appreciate any and all tips.
>
> Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-08 Thread Gary Thompson
Cheapest indie around here is $2400. No idea what the dealer would
charge, and I don't really want to know. I've had a lot of trouble
justifying the money for a car only worth about $3500. It's really a
shame at how late W124 gassers are worth less than ragged out W123 NA
diesels around these parts... :^(


Gary Thompson
1995 E320 ( with religious evaporator)


On 5/7/08, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Just put 2 12 oz. cans of R-12 in my otherwise near-showroom '87 300D (108
> kmi).
> Stealer estimate to R&R evaporator = $3100; indie estimate = $1900 -
> $2400!
>
> I need to "borrow" somebody's glycerin pills.
>
> Yea, I know, Kaleb'll give me $500 for it.
>
> Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax?

2008-05-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
so you got the engine fixed or whatever?

tom savage wrote:
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> So how much do you want for the Passat sedan?
>> Too bad it's not a wagon. I've been seeing 12 y-o wagons with
>> 200k on them go for $8-10k. 
> 
> Here are some pics.  What do you think?
> http://thomas.savage.org/passat/
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread LarryT
you;re probably right - I'll try the shop vac before I do anything else.  I 
have some hose that's a little on the small size - wrapping it with tape may 
allow it to work.  Now I need to find one of the gas cans I have and modify 
it to attach the oil hose and the vacuum hose..

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> Y'all are really overthinking the $2 sucker -- just use a shop vac (even
> my little portable works well).
>
> --R
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> I just had a wonderful thought about using the venturi vac pump:
>> My air compressor has a regulated output. All I have to do it
>> dial down the air pressure to set the vacuum wherever I want it.
>> And the $8 vac pump is lightweight, compact, and I can probably find
>> a way to mount it to the lid of my plastic hydraulic oil bucket.
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread LarryT
The citizens of UK were disarmed a few years ago - and the crime rate went 
up.
but we don;t want to start one of *those* threads
;-)

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green


> Actually, didn't Bowling for Columbine say that Canada had more guns
> per capita, or a similar amount, than the US?
>
> The Brits have guns too. Unfortunately their standard issue wep in
> Afghanistan/Iraq tends to jam in the heat and doesn't like dust...go
> figure.
>
> Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread pm7088
Vacuum and Volume do not belong in the same sentence.  How can you have an 
amount of nothing?

Max vacuum is 1 atmosphere, period dot.  after 32" it come only with 
sophisticated equipment.

The reason you draw a vacuum in an A/C unit is to get rid the the water.  You 
can not pull a deep vacuum if water is present, the water has to evaporate.

Vacuum capacity would be the volume you can pull a required vacuum to over a 
stated period of time.

Pete




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From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> LarryT wrote:
> > 
> > Howdy -
> > Since my Topsider has a hose problem I thought I'd build one this time
> > and ran across this Air Vacuum Pump at Harbor Freight Tools for $8.50 (pn
> > 96677-2AYE) --  the Key on the catalog is AY9556.
> 
> Those things can pull a pretty good vacuum. Not really good enough for
> air conditioning work, but stronger than a shop vac I'm sure. The
> question is whether they pull enough volume to cause trouble. The
> shop vac pulls way too much volume for an oil sucker, this one
> probably can't build up excess volume through an open hose hooked
> up to the engine if you take off the oil fill cap on the engine.
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Y'all are really overthinking the $2 sucker -- just use a shop vac (even 
my little portable works well).

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> I just had a wonderful thought about using the venturi vac pump:
> My air compressor has a regulated output. All I have to do it
> dial down the air pressure to set the vacuum wherever I want it. 
> And the $8 vac pump is lightweight, compact, and I can probably find
> a way to mount it to the lid of my plastic hydraulic oil bucket.
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread Jeff Zedic
Actually, didn't Bowling for Columbine say that Canada had more guns
per capita, or a similar amount, than the US?

The Brits have guns too. Unfortunately their standard issue wep in
Afghanistan/Iraq tends to jam in the heat and doesn't like dust...go
figure.

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] O.T.Getting Rid of Malware/Virus

2008-05-08 Thread Jeff Zedic
Bob,

Cnet forums is another good place to look. There's a lot of info on
the viruses as well as real people's experiences in getting rid of
them.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6132_102-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=254243&messageID=2526669

My offer still stands to help you out via phone.

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Jeff Zedic wrote:
> I believe the US tried three times to invade and were beaten back each
> time, luckily for us.
> 
> Mind you, we had a coalition of Brits, Canucks and natives and the
> advantage of height.

And back then, Brits and Canucks had guns.

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Re: [MBZ] O.T.Getting Rid of Malware/Virus

2008-05-08 Thread Robert Rentfro
Thanks, Jeff. My tired, old machine thanks you as well.

Bob R

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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T.Getting Rid of Malware/Virus

Those are definitely viruse and they've come in via a MyWebSearch
toolbar program. Remove it in add/remove programs in control panel.

This website will allow you to get info on the viruses mentiones and
their threat level.

http://www.sophos.com/security/analyses/viruses-and-spyware/malheurid.html

Google search is your friend! Use it! Lots of inof out there!

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley

I just had a wonderful thought about using the venturi vac pump:
My air compressor has a regulated output. All I have to do it
dial down the air pressure to set the vacuum wherever I want it. 
And the $8 vac pump is lightweight, compact, and I can probably find
a way to mount it to the lid of my plastic hydraulic oil bucket.

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pump for Oil Sucker

2008-05-08 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote:
> 
> Thx Mitch  -
> Actually I failed to mention the pump is supposed to work with ACs - altho I
> suspect it would be marginal at best - but I understand your concern that it
> may pull too much vacuum and collapse my vacuum container. 

You need a restriction to pull bucket bending vacuum. I'm not sure if
a 3/8 hose full of hot thin oil is enough restriction or not, those
venturi gizmos are a lot lower volume than a shop vac, but higher
volume than a mechanical A/C pump. What I've been thinking of doing
is get a 1/2" or 9/16 hose barb union fitting, wrapping friction tape
around one end of it until it's a tight fit in the dipstick tube, and
then running 1/2" or 9/16" hose to the bucket. Lots less restriction
than 3/8" hose. Can probably do it with nylon mesh reinforced vinyl hose,
or a chunk of old garden hose.

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