Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
Jamie Said his 82 240D had one. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:10 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is this thing? I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an '82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it. -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:35:20 -0500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Wonko, Did you hold the accel. pedal to the floor? 60 seconds seems too long - I'm wondering if the GP relay had already shut off and the glow plugs were cooling off? Do you know anything about diesel engines? ;) After reading the other posts on this topic, I felt the need to prove my car's cold starting ability. This a.m., a little warmer at 28 deg F, I let it glow once and waited a count of ten after the timer light went out, and it started immediately. No pedal required until after it was running (my electronic idle control is disabled on this car). I have made the purple wire modification on this car to get after-glow, but the improvement in post-start idle is not nearly as dramatic as it was on my NA 617 (now sold). Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement
I'm going to measure the resistance of the plugs, but they were all replaced in the last 20k miles or so. This a.m. I made the start a little more challenging for the car, and she fired right up after one glow with only a 10 second wait after the light went out. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement You have bad glow plugs or something else wrong -- my 87 300D fires up with 2 seconds of cranking (or less) at 6F after waiting for the glow plug light to go out, then another 5-10 sec. Fires on all six, too. If your GP lamp isn't coming on or is flashing, you have at least one and probably more than one bad (open or high resistance) GP. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement
I spoke too soon regarding the dramatic reduction in noise. When the engine is cold, the noise at 900 RPM is almost non-existent, but once she's warm the noise is back. I think my motor mounts are to blame even though they pass my test. W124 Drive train rubber (from memory): 2x motor mounts, 1x transmission mount, 2x flex plates, 1x carrier bearing support, 1x(?) differential mount. All of it ages and goes dead, and at 23 years old (if original) it is surely dead. Need to get the '95 running... Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 317k miles '95 E300 274k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement I checked mine per the WSM - not what you did though - and when I removed the old ones and turned them upside down I saw the rubber was cracked badly. Maybe the steelbar test is more accurate? Replacing all the rubber is my plan (slowly) too. I assume there are rubber mounts for the tranny also? Time to visit MB Parts -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement Checked them, used a 1/2 inch bar and slid it between edge of mount and frame, and both sides passed that test. Still, I'm tempted to replace them as well as the rest of the drive train rubber just to see how quiet she'll get. That may be a project for a warmer time. Last two mornings we've had temps in the mid 20's here, which is pretty darn cold for Charleston. This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the chassis and make a lot of noise.. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement Dieselvolk, Finished the job last night, and I am VERY pleased with the reduction in noise from the engine bay. I'd read about others reporting such happy news, I'm glad to add my name to that list. I have known this needed replacement for the last 10k miles or so, and ordered the part about two years ago from BuyMBparts.COM way back then. The pulley wheel was just out of the plane of the rest of the pulleys and the belt, and by carefully pushing on the lever with a stick I could make a change to the engine's noise at idle. However, recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or some other piece of the motor that was loose. I'd also order the 8mm stubby hex in socket form 'special tool' for R/R the viscous fan clutch. It is too stubby in my opinion for loosening the screw, but just fine for applying 45 Nm of torque. I needed a strap wrench to hold the pulley still for the R/R of the fan clutch. In addition to the lack of a 12mm hex, there was one other problem. The new tensioner did not come with an end cap, so I'll need to order one of those. Rather irritating that the cap didn't come with it. I fashioned a temporary cover from a piece of Tyvek-like material and a zip tie; that should keep the road grime out of the pivot bearing workings until a new cap arrives. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
My guess would be that you have something very wrong. If the block heater has been plugged in for at least a week, the engine should be warm to the touch, and start without any special procedures. Perhaps you block heater isn't functioning? Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Hi Fred - Hump? What hump? Wasn't that on the other side? Put...the candle...back (that movie was filled with so many great lines this could go on for a looog time) ;-) LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? LarryT, et al. Walk this way Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 8:32 PM, LarryT wrote: HAHAHA - I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they know what we're talking about? ;-) LarryT (Blucher) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Low compression? Valves adjusted in past several months? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold My guess would be that you have something very wrong. If the block heater has been plugged in for at least a week, the engine should be warm to the touch, and start without any special procedures. Perhaps you block heater isn't functioning? Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I need to preface all the below with on caveat: assumptions are made about your IP being similar to later engines (OM617, OM60x). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Depression breaker: Airplane, Caddyshack, Young Frankenstein. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Hi Fred - Hump? What hump? Wasn't that on the other side? Put...the candle...back (that movie was filled with so many great lines this could go on for a looog time) ;-) LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? LarryT, et al. Walk this way Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 8:32 PM, LarryT wrote: HAHAHA - I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they know what we're talking about? ;-) LarryT (Blucher) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
Okay '82 and '83 thing. Anybody got an '81? -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:14:32 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is this thing? Message-ID: bc94d7931001041814n32d51388l53730271b13f4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I realize I have a picture of my '82 under the hood: http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_08_20_240DEngine/engine3.jpg Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an '82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I submit that your block heater doesn't work or the valves have gotten tight. The block heater being plugged in negates outside temp. The car should start like its July... My 240D got flogged 55 miles this morning and in the afternoon I'll flog it 55 miles back home. The plan right now is to keep doing that until a nicer car comes along... The new 190D will be my wife's driver until that nicer car shows up at which point I'll bask in 40mpg again. For now its all about piling miles onto the cheapest car. -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:04:47 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 61dfb08b1001042004j60a2f6fauf3a01edbda6fa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Winter Tire Review
I bought a set of four Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires for my BMW. If anyone is thinking about these tires, I would highly recommend them. They are considered high performance winter/snow tires. My car drove perfectly through the last couple of snow storms we had here in the Midwest. On Christmas Eve, I had to drive to my Mother's house for Christmas and we drove through a nasty storm and then had to drive back through the snow on the way back. The car did great. The snow tires grip ferociously and also performed very well when the roads were clear. They are surprisingly quiet for winter tires with pretty aggressive tread. One warning though, they are directional tires. When I first had them put on (they were already mounted on wheels), I had two of them reversed (i.e. wrong direction). They did make noise and it was a little squirrelly. Luckily, I only drove like that for 1 day before I checked them again. So, if you need performance snow/winter tires, give these a try! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Hey parts boys -- Cad lights
Do either of you parts boys deal in GM parts? I need to get new headlight assemblies for the 98 DeVille as the lens separated from the rest of the assemblies ( apparently a fairly common occurrence for these bits). I see a bunch of different parts available, someone sent me some links, but I figured if y'all do this I'll support whichever warring faction can do me the best deal. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey parts boys -- Cad lights
Looks like on Rusty's site, once you select a year you can change the make (which defaults to Mercedes) in the dropdown and select Cadillac. On Gary's site, you select a year then a make. I have not taken it any farther than that Allan On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:07 -0500, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Do either of you parts boys deal in GM parts? I need to get new headlight assemblies for the 98 DeVille as the lens separated from the rest of the assemblies ( apparently a fairly common occurrence for these bits). I see a bunch of different parts available, someone sent me some links, but I figured if y'all do this I'll support whichever warring faction can do me the best deal. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. . . But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. My old 123 (82 300D) would not start when the temp was below 10 degrees. But, it had over 400,000 miles. I sold it to a friend who ended up replacing the timing chain (there was significant stretch). He said he would start below zero after that. I do really thing that frequent valve adjustments and checking the stretch on the chain are the real secret to getting a 123 to start in any weather. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
Thanks for your repsonses, but alas, I am even more confused now than I was before (which is not all that surprising). Malware seems like a mixed bag, and no one mentioned McAffee. I definitely appear to have some bugs already that needs to be *annihilated*. I am willing to pay but unwilling to operate in safe mode, if that involves running in text only mode or other handicaps. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Another nice program that instructs, but does not eliminate stuff is Mike Lin's startup.cpl which is a control panel application that tells you what processes are scheduled to start up at each boot cycle. It is instructive to see the processes that are tasked to start up. From that, you can remove start-up status of applications you do not recognize and then if the system runs fine, you might decide the application is bogus and needs complete removal. I can recall an application from 10 years ago - jupiter something - that I would detect from time to time. Do the search in the registry for jupiter and delete all instances - ruthlessly - and then any variant of jupiter in the file structures. Many malware used to be quite visible and could be seen via careful looking around and removal. Of course, while linux is not completely without malware, it is far above the susceptibility of windows. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I submit that your block heater doesn't work or the valves have gotten tight. If the block heater's working, slightly tight valves are negated since they won't get cold enough to hang open. If it's quiet you can usually hear it sizzling if it's working. Doesn't take much traffic noise to cover it up, though. A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
Okay '82 and '83 thing. Anybody got an '81? The infamous Chicken Wagon is an 83 and doesn't have that. The oil separator is built into the air cleaner housing. But it's a 300D turbo. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
Safe Mode is a start-up mode that can be used when trying to clean up your system or otherwise diagnose problems. It simply starts up with minimal drivers and services. It's not something you would use on an ongoing basis. To boot into safe mode, repeatedly tap the F8 key while Windows is starting. You'll be presented with a menu that has several Safe Mode choices, typically you want Safe Mode with Networking. Depending on what malware you've got, it may or may not help. Allan On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:42 -0500, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your repsonses, but alas, I am even more confused now than I was before (which is not all that surprising). Malware seems like a mixed bag, and no one mentioned McAffee. I definitely appear to have some bugs already that needs to be *annihilated*. I am willing to pay but unwilling to operate in safe mode, if that involves running in text only mode or other handicaps. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Another nice program that instructs, but does not eliminate stuff is Mike Lin's startup.cpl which is a control panel application that tells you what processes are scheduled to start up at each boot cycle. It is instructive to see the processes that are tasked to start up. From that, you can remove start-up status of applications you do not recognize and then if the system runs fine, you might decide the application is bogus and needs complete removal. I can recall an application from 10 years ago - jupiter something - that I would detect from time to time. Do the search in the registry for jupiter and delete all instances - ruthlessly - and then any variant of jupiter in the file structures. Many malware used to be quite visible and could be seen via careful looking around and removal. Of course, while linux is not completely without malware, it is far above the susceptibility of windows. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
My wife unsolicited last night said the mamabenz SD was being a bit balky. Exploring that idea a bit further suggested it was not starting as easily in the 20sF temps we have had as it does in the 90s. I told her to let it glow a bit longer (it usually lights off after about 5sec of glowing, on the first rev) and that should make it happier. I probably couldn't even get the TD going, not that I have anywhere to go in it. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
Andrew, try Avast for antivirus, and JV16 Power Tools for correcting registry problem. Both have free downloads but won't break the bank if you buy a pro version. Google for reviews. I've had both for over three years after trying others that ate up CPU operations and hurt the pocket book. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
Andrew, At the risk of more confusion-the tech guys at the university put Malawarebytes on my University laptop couple years ago when I got some malware that the virus program wouldnt catch. They cleaned up my computer it was fine. Then I got some more Malware a couple months ago-I had forgotten to update the malwarebytes so it would not touch the infected files. I updated it and bang malware was gone. The malware message often seems to be disguised as telling you need antivirus software. I have since cleaned a couple more successfully-one I got trying to down load a free manual for my wife's SAAB. My $0.02-but I would down load the free version of Malwarebytes and run it-I don't use safe mode or anything like that-I am not a techie- Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software Thanks for your repsonses, but alas, I am even more confused now than I was before (which is not all that surprising). Malware seems like a mixed bag, and no one mentioned McAffee. I definitely appear to have some bugs already that needs to be *annihilated*. I am willing to pay but unwilling to operate in safe mode, if that involves running in text only mode or other handicaps. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Another nice program that instructs, but does not eliminate stuff is Mike Lin's startup.cpl which is a control panel application that tells you what processes are scheduled to start up at each boot cycle. It is instructive to see the processes that are tasked to start up. From that, you can remove start-up status of applications you do not recognize and then if the system runs fine, you might decide the application is bogus and needs complete removal. I can recall an application from 10 years ago - jupiter something - that I would detect from time to time. Do the search in the registry for jupiter and delete all instances - ruthlessly - and then any variant of jupiter in the file structures. Many malware used to be quite visible and could be seen via careful looking around and removal. Of course, while linux is not completely without malware, it is far above the susceptibility of windows. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I thought the block heaters were all 500W? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold snip A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I've been tempted to start using my block heater, even though the car starts just fine, so that I'll have interior heat as quickly as possible. One of those Webasto automatic units that runs on diesel fuel would be a really nice luxury for the few days I'd be able to use it here in SC. Yes I'm a wimp now; when I lived in WI ~20 years ago I loved the winter more than the summer but after living in climates that don't get snow I've lost all tolerance for cold... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I thought the block heaters were all 500W? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold snip A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Alles. That's Fronkensteen. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/5/2010 8:17 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Depression breaker: Airplane, Caddyshack, Young Frankenstein. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
LarryT. Pax! Fred Moir Lynn MA On 1/5/2010 8:09 AM, LarryT wrote: Hi Fred - Hump? What hump? Wasn't that on the other side? Put...the candle...back (that movie was filled with so many great lines this could go on for a looog time) ;-) LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Animal House should be added to that list. No, people are sensual. Vegetables are sensuous. Still want to show me your cucumber? Dan --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:17 AM Depression breaker: Airplane, Caddyshack, Young Frankenstein. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Hi Fred - Hump? What hump? Wasn't that on the other side? Put...the candle...back (that movie was filled with so many great lines this could go on for a looog time) ;-) LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List merce...@okiebenz..com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? LarryT, et al. Walk this way Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 8:32 PM, LarryT wrote: HAHAHA - I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they know what we're talking about? ;-) LarryT (Blucher) ___ http://www..okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
My 240D's block heater spent 2 or 3 winters running off a 400w Coleman brand inverter powered by a battery in the trunk... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:19:17 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought the block heaters were all 500W? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold snip A generally useful item to have around is a Kill-A-Watt, one of the uses of which is to prove that the heater is working. (Circa 400W.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Was it the Zucker brothers that produced several really funny ones in a row? I think they did Airplane and Animal House, let's see what google says... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Animal House should be added to that list. No, people are sensual. Vegetables are sensuous. Still want to show me your cucumber? Dan --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:17 AM Depression breaker: Airplane, Caddyshack, Young Frankenstein. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Hi Fred - Hump? What hump? Wasn't that on the other side? Put...the candle...back (that movie was filled with so many great lines this could go on for a looog time) ;-) LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List merce...@okiebenz..com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? LarryT, et al. Walk this way Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 8:32 PM, LarryT wrote: HAHAHA - I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they know what we're talking about? ;-) LarryT (Blucher) ___ http://www..okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:32:33 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been tempted to start using my block heater, even though the car starts just fine, so that I'll have interior heat as quickly as possible. One of those Webasto automatic units that runs on diesel fuel would be a really nice luxury for the few days I'd be able to use it here in SC. Yes I'm a wimp now; when I lived in WI ~20 years ago I loved the winter more than the summer but after living in climates that don't get snow I've lost all tolerance for cold... -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
M*A*S*H should be on the list too. God damn army jeep! You know of course that Bobby Troop also starred on Emergency!... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Message-ID: 679895.62332...@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Animal House should be added to that list. No, people are sensual. Vegetables are sensuous. Still want to show me your cucumber? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Jerry and David Zucker are connected to Airplane!, Police Squad!, Kentucky Fried Movie, The Naked Gun series, and more than a few others that I've never seen. Mel Brooks (I should have known) and Gene Wilder wrote Young Fronkensteen... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:06 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? M*A*S*H should be on the list too. God damn army jeep! You know of course that Bobby Troop also starred on Emergency!... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Message-ID: 679895.62332...@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Animal House should be added to that list. No, people are sensual. Vegetables are sensuous. Still want to show me your cucumber? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldnt see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I DID NOT COOK THE STARTER!! Idiot son did the job, I had to clean up after the mess. There is a crank until you win situation for these old cars. One can crank the thing for 30 seconds. Then you really need to let it rest and cool down. But 30 seconds is a REALLY long time when you actually have to do it. A 30 second earthquake seems like forever. Gump, with the delivery valve issue has been taking excessive attempts to light off. Somewhere in the system is a kill gremlin that will boot you off after 15-20 seconds or less. No idea why, it just cuts off the cranking and you have to start all over again. clay On Jan 4, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month? Clay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Having been the source of much of the fornication of the jobs on Gump, I pay dearly for the defornication. Water pump was a good example. Found out that I had the original pump, and the nuts were welded on by age. No matter how carefully I tried, three were not going to let go. I had removed two of the nuts fine and the third resulted in a snapped off bolt. That led to less care taken in removing any others, and I had two shorn bolts to show for the job. Shop ended up making it all good. For $600. Or the wiggly shifter and less than snappish gear selection fix. How hard could it be to replace some silly bushings so the excess slop is cured? Remove old, insert new! Yeah, sure. Remove old, end up cross engaging gears and seizing transmission while installing bushings. I still have the old tranny seized up in the garage. clay On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Any chance of a new shop? I snapped off one bolt on the water pump on my 617. I simply drilled out the hole to the next larger size, cut new threads and used a bigger bolt. Later I learned that the water pump housing on a 617 is replaceable, and I probably could have gotten a used one pretty cheaply. $600 seems pretty excessive, but again I've got zero experience with the motor in your car (OM621?). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Having been the source of much of the fornication of the jobs on Gump, I pay dearly for the defornication. Water pump was a good example. Found out that I had the original pump, and the nuts were welded on by age. No matter how carefully I tried, three were not going to let go. I had removed two of the nuts fine and the third resulted in a snapped off bolt. That led to less care taken in removing any others, and I had two shorn bolts to show for the job. Shop ended up making it all good. For $600. Or the wiggly shifter and less than snappish gear selection fix. How hard could it be to replace some silly bushings so the excess slop is cured? Remove old, insert new! Yeah, sure. Remove old, end up cross engaging gears and seizing transmission while installing bushings. I still have the old tranny seized up in the garage. clay On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter Tire Review
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: I bought a set of four Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires for my BMW. If anyone is thinking about these tires, I would highly recommend them. I have those on one car in the family, and some Goodyear performance winter tires on another. From my observation, both types are adequate, but neither can hold a candle to Bridgestone Blizzaks. Both the Dunlops and Goodyears seem like a compromise---they are adequate on dry pavement and rain, and better on snow and ice than all-seasons. The Blizzaks are definitely designed for maximum snow and ice performance---on dry pavement they ride hard and handle squirrely in a very disconcerting way until you get used to them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey parts boys -- Cad lights
worldpac has very little on teh domestic front. for genuine GM parts, i have been using http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/ shipping is slow, however, and you do have to be careful about excessive shipping costs mention has also been made of rock auto, who takes worldpac's catalog structure and augments it with a lot of extra stuff, but mostly junk though. i have not bought anything from them. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Looks like on Rusty's site, once you select a year you can change the make (which defaults to Mercedes) in the dropdown and select Cadillac. On Gary's site, you select a year then a make. I have not taken it any farther than that Allan On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:07 -0500, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Do either of you parts boys deal in GM parts? I need to get new headlight assemblies for the 98 DeVille as the lens separated from the rest of the assemblies ( apparently a fairly common occurrence for these bits). I see a bunch of different parts available, someone sent me some links, but I figured if y'all do this I'll support whichever warring faction can do me the best deal. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
OM615 They had to remove the body from the block and put new housing on. The drill out by me would have resulted in even more damage and I was just trying to replace the stupid gasket, so cost included the whole housing and pump. clay On Jan 5, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Any chance of a new shop? I snapped off one bolt on the water pump on my 617. I simply drilled out the hole to the next larger size, cut new threads and used a bigger bolt. Later I learned that the water pump housing on a 617 is replaceable, and I probably could have gotten a used one pretty cheaply. $600 seems pretty excessive, but again I've got zero experience with the motor in your car (OM621?). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Having been the source of much of the fornication of the jobs on Gump, I pay dearly for the defornication. Water pump was a good example. Found out that I had the original pump, and the nuts were welded on by age. No matter how carefully I tried, three were not going to let go. I had removed two of the nuts fine and the third resulted in a snapped off bolt. That led to less care taken in removing any others, and I had two shorn bolts to show for the job. Shop ended up making it all good. For $600. Or the wiggly shifter and less than snappish gear selection fix. How hard could it be to replace some silly bushings so the excess slop is cured? Remove old, insert new! Yeah, sure. Remove old, end up cross engaging gears and seizing transmission while installing bushings. I still have the old tranny seized up in the garage. clay On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Attempted Porsche restoration story on CL
Funny, depressing, embarrassingly familiar, or possibly all three. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1534719782.html What's an LWB 912??? Not that I am a Porsche expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I never heard of any 911 variant being offered in multiple chassis lengths like a W126. (2-seaters vs 2+2s, maybe, but that's just a matter of different configurations of seats, right? Not a body difference?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Attempted Porsche restoration story on CL
They weren't offered in both wheel lengths, the early ones were a bit shorter than the later cars. I'm not sure when they added the extra length, but it was quite early. Making the wheelbase a bit longer was one of the things they did to try and tame the over steer. Ed 300E 2010/1/5 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Funny, depressing, embarrassingly familiar, or possibly all three. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1534719782.html What's an LWB 912??? Not that I am a Porsche expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I never heard of any 911 variant being offered in multiple chassis lengths like a W126. (2-seaters vs 2+2s, maybe, but that's just a matter of different configurations of seats, right? Not a body difference?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey parts boys -- Cad lights
Gary Hurst wrote: worldpac has very little on teh domestic front. for genuine GM parts, i have been using http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/ shipping is slow, however, and you do have to be careful about excessive shipping costs I get the idea that the prices shown are Flow's cost, and all the profit is included in the shipping and handling. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey parts boys -- Cad lights
it's not a terrible conclusion to reach. i simply don't know. i do know that i can generally do better from flow than i can from the the local dealers i've tried and many GM dealers are fairly reasonable for parts and service relative to what is seen in the euro import world On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: worldpac has very little on teh domestic front. for genuine GM parts, i have been using http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/ shipping is slow, however, and you do have to be careful about excessive shipping costs I get the idea that the prices shown are Flow's cost, and all the profit is included in the shipping and handling. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Attempted Porsche restoration story on CL
Short Wheel Base - they were the 911s made 9/64 to 7/67 - after that (or some time in there) they all went to LWB. Porsche didn't really refer to their models using the SWB or LWB names like Ferrari did. Bu they did com up with a confusing combination of letters following the 911 name. 911S, E, T, L, GT-2 and GT-3, RS, RSR, 911, etc. And of course, they mark the sneeze of a famous Porsche driver with a special model title. Things like the 50th Anniv Special of the Porsche Club of A. - stuff like that. I'll go look up the years of the SWB/LWB because someone will no doubt correct my comments shortly if I'm wrong. -) Let's see, 64-67 Porsche 911's were SWB, in 1968 they went to LWB. Info from The Porsche Story by Paul Frere. LarryT 74 911 (SWB) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Attempted Porsche restoration story on CL Funny, depressing, embarrassingly familiar, or possibly all three. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1534719782.html What's an LWB 912??? Not that I am a Porsche expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I never heard of any 911 variant being offered in multiple chassis lengths like a W126. (2-seaters vs 2+2s, maybe, but that's just a matter of different configurations of seats, right? Not a body difference?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold)
only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement
-Original Message- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Jan 5, 2010 6:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement I spoke too soon regarding the dramatic reduction in noise. When the engine is cold, the noise at 900 RPM is almost non-existent, but once she's warm the noise is back. I think my motor mounts are to blame even though they pass my test. W124 Drive train rubber (from memory): 2x motor mounts, 1x transmission mount, 2x flex plates, 1x carrier bearing support, 1x(?) differential mount. All of it ages and goes dead, and at 23 years old (if original) it is surely dead. Need to get the '95 running... Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 317k miles '95 E300 274k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement I checked mine per the WSM - not what you did though - and when I removed the old ones and turned them upside down I saw the rubber was cracked badly. Maybe the steelbar test is more accurate? Replacing all the rubber is my plan (slowly) too. I assume there are rubber mounts for the tranny also? Time to visit MB Parts -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement Checked them, used a 1/2 inch bar and slid it between edge of mount and frame, and both sides passed that test. Still, I'm tempted to replace them as well as the rest of the drive train rubber just to see how quiet she'll get. That may be a project for a warmer time. Last two mornings we've had temps in the mid 20's here, which is pretty darn cold for Charleston. This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the chassis and make a lot of noise.. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement Dieselvolk, Finished the job last night, and I am VERY pleased with the reduction in noise from the engine bay. I'd read about others reporting such happy news, I'm glad to add my name to that list. I have known this needed replacement for the last 10k miles or so, and ordered the part about two years ago from BuyMBparts.COM way back then. The pulley wheel was just out of the plane of the rest of the pulleys and the belt, and by carefully pushing on the lever with a stick I could make a change to the engine's noise at idle. However, recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or some other piece of the motor that was loose. I'd also order the 8mm stubby hex in socket form 'special tool' for R/R the viscous fan clutch. It is too stubby in my opinion for loosening the screw, but just fine for applying 45 Nm of torque. I needed a strap wrench to hold the pulley still for the R/R of the fan clutch. In addition to the lack of a 12mm hex, there was one other problem. The new tensioner did not come with an end cap, so I'll need to order one of those. Rather irritating that the cap didn't come with it. I fashioned a temporary cover from a piece of Tyvek-like material and a zip tie; that should keep the road grime out of the pivot bearing workings until a new cap arrives. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
For some reason the line in Airplane that really struck me as hilarious was when the young boy was given the tour of the cockpit and the pilot, Peter Graves, asked him to sit on his lap and asked him if he liked Gladiator movies. He said something else to the boy buy I can't remember what it was... Later - Back to Fronkenstein, when the monster was unconscious in a locked room, the Doc was going in - No matter what happens, DO NOT open the door. No matter how I plead or scream, don't open it. . Then when the doc was locked in the monster stirred and growled - the doc started screaming to be let out, I was joking! can't you tell when someone is joking? Open this G.D. door right NOW! and on and on. I laughed so hard I could hardly breath. OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Jerry and David Zucker are connected to Airplane!, Police Squad!, Kentucky Fried Movie, The Naked Gun series, and more than a few others that I've never seen. Mel Brooks (I should have known) and Gene Wilder wrote Young Fronkensteen... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:06 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? M*A*S*H should be on the list too. God damn army jeep! You know of course that Bobby Troop also starred on Emergency!... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Message-ID: 679895.62332...@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Animal House should be added to that list. No, people are sensual. Vegetables are sensuous. Still want to show me your cucumber? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Attempted Porsche restoration story on CL
LarryT wrote: Short Wheel Base - they were the 911s made 9/64 to 7/67 - after that (or some time in there) they all went to LWB. Porsche didn't really refer to their models using the SWB or LWB names like Ferrari did. Bu they did com up with a confusing combination of letters following the 911 name. 911S, E, T, L, GT-2 and GT-3, RS, RSR, Back in the T-E-S days, it was easy. The base car, or 911-Turd, had carburetors. The 911-E was injected, and the 911-Sport had the good engine. At least that's how I remembered it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter Tire Review
Alex wrote: I have those on one car in the family, and some Goodyear performance winter tires on another. From my observation, both types are adequate, but neither can hold a candle to Bridgestone Blizzaks. Both the Dunlops and Goodyears seem like a compromise---they are adequate on dry pavement and rain, and better on snow and ice than all-seasons. The Blizzaks are definitely designed for maximum snow and ice performance---on dry pavement they ride hard and handle squirrely in a very disconcerting way until you get used to them. It sounds like I made the right choice, then. I don't need maximum snow performance. I need winter tires that will get me through 4-5 small storms. Here in Kansas, we only get a few inches of snow in each storm and the rest of the time, its just cold and windy. Now, we have had our fair share of really bad storms where we get 1 foot of snow. But, that is pretty rare and its usually the freak storm that hits in the Spring. If you wait a day or so, it melts. Now, if I lived in Michigan or somewhere up North, then Blizzaks would be fine. By the way, are you sure you had the Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires? Or just Dunlop snow tires, there is a HUGE difference. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold)
Maybe your temperature gauge is not accurate? My car reaches normal operating temperature after just a couple miles of highway, of course its an OM603. My normally aspirated OM617 would require about the same, maybe a little longer. Does your ALDA need adjustment - maybe fuel is too lean for the air the turbo is pushing, and more cold air means lower combustion and engine temperatures? I don't think you should need any radiator shroud/cover if your system is working right - thermostat should be staying closed so no flow via the radiator that you can affect in order to raise engine temperatures. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report -'87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement
Peter, looks like a mis-fire from you? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report -'87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement -Original Message- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Jan 5, 2010 6:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement I spoke too soon regarding the dramatic reduction in noise. When the engine is cold, the noise at 900 RPM is almost non-existent, but once she's warm the noise is back. I think my motor mounts are to blame even though they pass my test. W124 Drive train rubber (from memory): 2x motor mounts, 1x transmission mount, 2x flex plates, 1x carrier bearing support, 1x(?) differential mount. All of it ages and goes dead, and at 23 years old (if original) it is surely dead. Need to get the '95 running... Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 317k miles '95 E300 274k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement I checked mine per the WSM - not what you did though - and when I removed the old ones and turned them upside down I saw the rubber was cracked badly. Maybe the steelbar test is more accurate? Replacing all the rubber is my plan (slowly) too. I assume there are rubber mounts for the tranny also? Time to visit MB Parts -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement Checked them, used a 1/2 inch bar and slid it between edge of mount and frame, and both sides passed that test. Still, I'm tempted to replace them as well as the rest of the drive train rubber just to see how quiet she'll get. That may be a project for a warmer time. Last two mornings we've had temps in the mid 20's here, which is pretty darn cold for Charleston. This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the chassis and make a lot of noise.. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement Dieselvolk, Finished the job last night, and I am VERY pleased with the reduction in noise from the engine bay. I'd read about others reporting such happy news, I'm glad to add my name to that list. I have known this needed replacement for the last 10k miles or so, and ordered the part about two years ago from BuyMBparts.COM way back then. The pulley wheel was just out of the plane of the rest of the pulleys and the belt, and by carefully pushing on the lever with a stick I could make a change to the engine's noise at idle. However, recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or some other piece of the motor that was loose. I'd also order the 8mm stubby hex in socket form 'special tool' for R/R the viscous fan clutch. It is too stubby in my opinion for loosening the screw, but just fine for applying 45 Nm of torque. I needed a strap wrench to hold the pulley still for the R/R of the fan clutch. In addition to the lack of a 12mm hex, there was one other problem. The new tensioner did not come with an end cap, so I'll need to order one of those. Rather irritating that the cap didn't
Re: [MBZ] Winter Tire Review
I also suspect that different tire sizes, even though the same model, affect the performance. In addition there's the car (weight bias, suspension type, alignment, engine power, etc. etc.) so a good comparison is pretty much impossible unless you're Tire Rack and have multiple tire sets to try on one car running on one track in reasonably controlled conditions. After I think about it for a while, buying tires seems like a real crap shoot. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:45 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter Tire Review Alex wrote: I have those on one car in the family, and some Goodyear performance winter tires on another. From my observation, both types are adequate, but neither can hold a candle to Bridgestone Blizzaks. Both the Dunlops and Goodyears seem like a compromise---they are adequate on dry pavement and rain, and better on snow and ice than all-seasons. The Blizzaks are definitely designed for maximum snow and ice performance---on dry pavement they ride hard and handle squirrely in a very disconcerting way until you get used to them. It sounds like I made the right choice, then. I don't need maximum snow performance. I need winter tires that will get me through 4-5 small storms. Here in Kansas, we only get a few inches of snow in each storm and the rest of the time, its just cold and windy. Now, we have had our fair share of really bad storms where we get 1 foot of snow. But, that is pretty rare and its usually the freak storm that hits in the Spring. If you wait a day or so, it melts. Now, if I lived in Michigan or somewhere up North, then Blizzaks would be fine. By the way, are you sure you had the Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires? Or just Dunlop snow tires, there is a HUGE difference. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Larry wrote: For some reason the line in Airplane that really struck me as hilarious was when the young boy was given the tour of the cockpit and the pilot, Peter Graves, asked him to sit on his lap and asked him if he liked Gladiator movies. He said something else to the boy buy I can't remember what it was... The other line was have you ever seen a grown man naked? and Joey, did you ever hang around the gymnasium? Great Movie! http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/naked.wav http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/gladiators.wav Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '83 240D in review
So OK Don started it here's my review of my '83 240D. You may remember I bought my '83 240D Hammie back from my friend Devin in May '08. My first fuel record is Nov '08 which is when I got it back on the road. Since then we've traveled 11,764 miles (at last fillup) using somewhat more than 339 gallons of diesel fuel. I don't have complete records so that number is actually likely to me more like 396 gallons based on my average fuel economy. On that note average fuel economy was 29.77, the reasonable high removing some fliers is 31.73 and low was 27.88 both around (actually slightly higher) what I was getting back in '05 when I first owned this car. I tend to fill up every 400 miles which 3.6 round trip commutes. I need to check my records a little more but my guestimate is I've got about $1800 into this car (including purchase price) right now so thats right around $0.15/mile when I sold it last time I was down around $0.08/mile so I need to keep piling on the miles to get back into that area, being able to do more work myself now helps to keep costs down... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '83 240D in review
Sounds like you calculate ownership cost liek I do. On your .08 miles previously does that include subtracting the sales price when you sold it from the total expenses? Peter On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So OK Don started it here's my review of my '83 240D. You may remember I bought my '83 240D Hammie back from my friend Devin in May '08. My first fuel record is Nov '08 which is when I got it back on the road. Since then we've traveled 11,764 miles (at last fillup) using somewhat more than 339 gallons of diesel fuel. I don't have complete records so that number is actually likely to me more like 396 gallons based on my average fuel economy. On that note average fuel economy was 29.77, the reasonable high removing some fliers is 31.73 and low was 27.88 both around (actually slightly higher) what I was getting back in '05 when I first owned this car. I tend to fill up every 400 miles which 3.6 round trip commutes. I need to check my records a little more but my guestimate is I've got about $1800 into this car (including purchase price) right now so thats right around $0.15/mile when I sold it last time I was down around $0.08/mile so I need to keep piling on the miles to get back into that area, being able to do more work myself now helps to keep costs down... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Get an electric heater, put it in the passenger footwell and remember to turn it on before you get out at night. Run an extension cord through the firewall up to where the block heater plug is. Put a tee extension cord there and plug both the extension cord and block heater into it. Now when you plug in the block heater you'll plug in the electric heater inside the car. When I first got my 240D back on the road it was very moist inside but cold outside. I put a 1500w electric heater in it every morning for an hour before work. That combined with my 1hr commute (each way) got the moisture out. At any temp under freezing the car doesn't really get warm per say but it takes the edge off and clears the windshield. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:13:14 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold)
You've verified the gauge? 240D temps tend to fluctuate a bit since theres no overflow bottle (I guess anyway) but mine generally sits just over the 80C mark at temps above say -20F even on the highway. I seem to remember that Marshall had a magic number at which it was too cold for an MB diesel to overcome the cold air over the engine but I can't remember what it was and its way colder than I've ever seen. As long as I've got adequate cabin heat (which I do as long as the temp is around 80C) I don't see any reason to put any cardboard anywhere... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:25:59 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) Message-ID: 4b439247.8050...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Did you ever think about spending some time in a Turkish prison? or something like that. Since it was cold the other night, and my wife had been out picking up branches and stuff, we got talking about wood chippers and decided to watch Fargo again. Always entertaining yaaa you betcha. --R Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: For some reason the line in Airplane that really struck me as hilarious was when the young boy was given the tour of the cockpit and the pilot, Peter Graves, asked him to sit on his lap and asked him if he liked Gladiator movies. He said something else to the boy buy I can't remember what it was... The other line was have you ever seen a grown man naked? and Joey, did you ever hang around the gymnasium? Great Movie! http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/naked.wav http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/gladiators.wav Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report -'87 300TDaccessorybelttensionerreplacement
Yup, something went crazy with the reply. There are four mounts on the diff -- two in the rear and two up front, one on each side of the mounting plate with a single bolt through all of it. Rear mounts have to be pushed out toward the front, the hole is tapered. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold)
You should be normal running temps (about 80C) shortly after starting off. You may in fact never get to operating temp if you aren't running 45 mph plus, though -- diesels don't make much heat with no load, unlike gassers where idle combustion is lousy and very wasteful. It takes a couple miles for my 300D to get up to 80C -- I've got a new thermostat but haven't gotten it installed yet, and won't be installing it until it warms up unless the old one fails completely -- takes too long to warm up. A new, good, thermostat should give you proper temps, but on an old, well worn diesel it may warm up very slowly with the heater running. Verify that you have proper valve adjustment and that injection timing and chain stretch are correct, else it will both start hard and heat poorly. In fact, a stretched chain can prevent cold starts -- late valve timing will reduce compression at cranking speeds. Peter -Original Message- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Jan 5, 2010 2:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) Maybe your temperature gauge is not accurate? My car reaches normal operating temperature after just a couple miles of highway, of course its an OM603. My normally aspirated OM617 would require about the same, maybe a little longer. Does your ALDA need adjustment - maybe fuel is too lean for the air the turbo is pushing, and more cold air means lower combustion and engine temperatures? I don't think you should need any radiator shroud/cover if your system is working right - thermostat should be staying closed so no flow via the radiator that you can affect in order to raise engine temperatures. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] LWB 912
...What's an LWB 912???... 1969 or 1976. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong year.
...Short Wheel Base - they were the 911s made 9/64 to 7/67 - after that (or some time in there) they all went to LWB... You are wrong. 1969 was the model year when the wheelbase was lengthened and production start was September 1968. I owned a 1968 911. I also picked up a 1968 911L at Zuffenhausen in September 1967. Both SWB cars. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio subsidy
I wonder how attractive bio-diesel is going to be now that the $1.00 per gallon federal subsidy (paid to the refiners) expired on 12/31. A local producer stated in a small newspaper article this week that he was receiving $48000 per week from the Feds and thought that passing along the buck a gallon increase might effect sales. Just yesterday I glanced over at the bio pump at my card-op station and the price was $3.63 per gallon. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New CL claim
diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/01/wooden_car_burns_wooden_fuel_travel.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Maybe you could try getting a little heater to run for the 30 minutes before you leave the house? Timers are good for that. A 500W heater with a small fan, disconnected when you drove away from the house, would probably keep the car satisfactorily warm until the engine warms up. Just a thought, I've not gotten to implementing this myself... -Tim --- Original Message --- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 05-Jan-10, 13:13:14 Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio subsidy
Interestingly enough, in Ecuador last week, diesel was $1.05/gal, gas was $1.50/gal or so for Extra and $2ish for Super depending on where we were. I had a little Daihatsu Terios, which was fairly frugal on gas but severely underpowered for traveling at 14000ft altitude (or sea level for that matter) with 4 adults and all our impedimenta. I don't know if that is their stuff or from Hoogo next door. --R relng...@aol.com wrote: I wonder how attractive bio-diesel is going to be now that the $1.00 per gallon federal subsidy (paid to the refiners) expired on 12/31. A local producer stated in a small newspaper article this week that he was receiving $48000 per week from the Feds and thought that passing along the buck a gallon increase might effect sales. Just yesterday I glanced over at the bio pump at my card-op station and the price was $3.63 per gallon. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
I can think of a few things, the heater could be drawing all the heat, or your thermostat housing could be eroded, or your thermostat could be stuck open. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
You need a new thermostat if the temp takes more than 5 minutes to reach 80-85C. Every Benz diesel that I have driven (with a new thermostat) has reached 85c within 2 miles of home at 30-40mph in sub-freezing weather. Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) ernest breakfield wrote: only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CL claim
Rich Thomas wrote: diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! Seriously? I'd never heard of such poor performance from a gassifier. A cord of wood weighs tons, and costs $100-200 in rural USA. That would be dollar a mile fuel consumption. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '83 240D in review
It does, good catch. I don't expect to sell the car for very much this time if at all. Quite possibly it'll need to be be parted out... -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:08:28 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '83 240D in review Message-ID: 3a3393481001051208wc746adby42c2f0d39...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like you calculate ownership cost liek I do. On your .08 miles previously does that include subtracting the sales price when you sold it from the total expenses? Peter On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So OK Don started it here's my review of my '83 240D. You may remember I bought my '83 240D Hammie back from my friend Devin in May '08. My first fuel record is Nov '08 which is when I got it back on the road. Since then we've traveled 11,764 miles (at last fillup) using somewhat more than 339 gallons of diesel fuel. I don't have complete records so that number is actually likely to me more like 396 gallons based on my average fuel economy. On that note average fuel economy was 29.77, the reasonable high removing some fliers is 31.73 and low was 27.88 both around (actually slightly higher) what I was getting back in '05 when I first owned this car. I tend to fill up every 400 miles which 3.6 round trip commutes. I need to check my records a little more but my guestimate is I've got about $1800 into this car (including purchase price) right now so thats right around $0.15/mile when I sold it last time I was down around $0.08/mile so I need to keep piling on the miles to get back into that area, being able to do more work myself now helps to keep costs down... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CL claim
I read once that many cars were converted to wood gassification in Germany near the end of WWII but haven't ever seen any real proof of it. Its a pretty well developed technology. I've pondered it a couple times for power generation at camp but suspect its a bit beyond my abilities and doesn't really hold my attention long enough to get serious. -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:52:18 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] New CL claim Message-ID: 4b43a682.2080...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/01/wooden_car_burns_wooden_fuel_travel.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
hi Max! i'll check the temps with a laser thermometer again, but haven't found any real disparities in the past. good thought about the airflow over the rad when there's no coolant flow; but there's also the oil cooler, and all the heat lost to air that's generally circulating around the engine compartment,... by any chance are you running BioD? i think this is the main contribution factor in this issue,... i guess i wasn't clear enough that this seems to be most apparent in colder weather when running BioDiesel; in more normal temps and/or on regular #2 it's usually just over 80C where we'd expect it, varying to occasionally right up around 100C on an extended climb in warmer weather. this thing really seems happiest (read: more powerful, smoother shifting) when it's warmer, and i was thinking there might be some advantage to keeping it closer to its target temperature. (like more power, better oil flow, better evaporation of crankcase water contaminants,..). i strongly suspect it's in a large part because BioD doesn't put out the same amount of waste heat as #2; many others in the BioD fleet around here seem to have noticed the same thing. the effect is even more exaggerated with the W/SVO crowd. seems that the cooling systems in these things is designed (not surprisingly) to expect the waste heat resultant from running PetroDiesel, and the cooling system is overcooling when running anything else. am still really interested in hearing about the thoughts regarding shrouding (like yours; good point again!). cheers! e Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Maybe your temperature gauge is not accurate? My car reaches normal operating temperature after just a couple miles of highway, of course its an OM603. My normally aspirated OM617 would require about the same, maybe a little longer. Does your ALDA need adjustment - maybe fuel is too lean for the air the turbo is pushing, and more cold air means lower combustion and engine temperatures? I don't think you should need any radiator shroud/cover if your system is working right - thermostat should be staying closed so no flow via the radiator that you can affect in order to raise engine temperatures. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat...
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold)
hi Curt! yep; gauge seems to work fine, and no disparities when checked with a laser thermometer. operating temps with #2 fuel in more temperate weather are pretty much what we'd expect. like i said; once it's on the highway for a while, it reads like you say yours does; just over the 80C mark... just takes a good long while to get all the way up there when running BioD. cabin heat seems pretty adequate (Climate Control does a pretty good job of taking care of that). doesn't start making any heat until the engines got some, but that seems consistent with what it was designed to do. concerns with running it below target temp are related to poorer combustion/power/shifting/fuel economy, and the fact that if it doesn't get up to temp it never evaporates the water that condenses into the oil, resulting in the formation of acids and higher contaminants. (i change the oil every 3K anyway because of what the BioD does to it, but i'd prefer to try to keep the odds stacked more in my favor.) i guess what i'm looking for is to see if there's any good reason *not* to block off some of the airflow,...? cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: You've verified the gauge? 240D temps tend to fluctuate a bit since theres no overflow bottle (I guess anyway) but mine generally sits just over the 80C mark at temps above say -20F even on the highway. I seem to remember that Marshall had a magic number at which it was too cold for an MB diesel to overcome the cold air over the engine but I can't remember what it was and its way colder than I've ever seen. As long as I've got adequate cabin heat (which I do as long as the temp is around 80C) I don't see any reason to put any cardboard anywhere... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:25:59 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) Message-ID: 4b439247.8050...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
hi Luther! sorry if i wasn't clear enough; temps come up fine with regular #2 fuel, but not as fast (or not at all) when running a high concentration of BioD which we do most of the time. (like i said below, we've already switched out 'stats a couple of times just to check them and verify that they were opening at proper temps; 'stats aren't the issue, and that's also supported by the fact that op temps seem normal when running #2.) cheers/73! e n6zes Benz Hogs wrote: You need a new thermostat if the temp takes more than 5 minutes to reach 80-85C. Every Benz diesel that I have driven (with a new thermostat) has reached 85c within 2 miles of home at 30-40mph in sub-freezing weather. Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) ernest breakfield wrote: only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CL claim
but but but you cut it as you go along, or get people to give you wood! Like fryer oil, just stop at a meskin restaurant and drain the fryer into your tank, or pick up a few branches or pallets alongside the road. Maybe it should be 250 mi/cord (free!) --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! Seriously? I'd never heard of such poor performance from a gassifier. A cord of wood weighs tons, and costs $100-200 in rural USA. That would be dollar a mile fuel consumption. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil separator part deux
Rusty says ~$140 for the oil separator new... Looks like I'll want to be really really sure its the problem before I replace it. I have a feeling the leak might be where the separator meets the down pipe. There was a particularly shifty looking seal there. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Years ago in the MI UP, I plugged elec cord for my van block heater and a small elec heater sitting on the engine cover inside the van into a receptacle that I activated via a CB when I would get up in the morning. By the time I had showered, dressed, etc., and ready to leave, the engine and the van interior were nice and warm; ice even cleared from the windows. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C. bb...@crone.us To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Maybe you could try getting a little heater to run for the 30 minutes before you leave the house? Timers are good for that. A 500W heater with a small fan, disconnected when you drove away from the house, would probably keep the car satisfactorily warm until the engine warms up. Just a thought, I've not gotten to implementing this myself... -Tim --- Original Message --- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 05-Jan-10, 13:13:14 Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold OK, thanks for the input guys. I can't justify the $$$ for the Webasto unit, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the cold for another month or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold I only ever tried the block heater once on the 300D 2.5t for that reason-couldn't see any difference in heat any sooner so I tucked the cord back onto bumper and have never used again. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Max, I can't really tell the difference in how quickly I get heat, its the center of town for me pretty much no matter what. If I lived somewhere seriously cold I'd get a radiator heater to go along with the block heater, another 1000w into the radiator would surely give quicker cabin heat... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CL claim
A cord (128 CF) of air-dried red oak weighs about 3350 lbs. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New CL claim Rich Thomas wrote: diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! Seriously? I'd never heard of such poor performance from a gassifier. A cord of wood weighs tons, and costs $100-200 in rural USA. That would be dollar a mile fuel consumption. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CL claim
Japan also had many charcoal (wood gasification) driven cars. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New CL claim I read once that many cars were converted to wood gassification in Germany near the end of WWII but haven't ever seen any real proof of it. Its a pretty well developed technology. I've pondered it a couple times for power generation at camp but suspect its a bit beyond my abilities and doesn't really hold my attention long enough to get serious. -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:52:18 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] New CL claim Message-ID: 4b43a682.2080...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/01/wooden_car_burns_wooden_fuel_travel.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio subsidy
i spent some of my childhood in quito. my dad was really dark and spoke a passable spanish, so he passed ok (except he wore white shoes which screamed i'm a foreigner). little me with milky skin and blond hair had no chance and was just called gringo' by the regular folks. it was very cool btw. we lived right next to the university during a time of some civil unrest and we could watch battles between students and armoured vehicles firing tear gas. my dad couldn't stay there though even though we would be far better off economically there. he just loved the USA too much. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Interestingly enough, in Ecuador last week, diesel was $1.05/gal, gas was $1.50/gal or so for Extra and $2ish for Super depending on where we were. I had a little Daihatsu Terios, which was fairly frugal on gas but severely underpowered for traveling at 14000ft altitude (or sea level for that matter) with 4 adults and all our impedimenta. I don't know if that is their stuff or from Hoogo next door. --R relng...@aol.com wrote: I wonder how attractive bio-diesel is going to be now that the $1.00 per gallon federal subsidy (paid to the refiners) expired on 12/31. A local producer stated in a small newspaper article this week that he was receiving $48000 per week from the Feds and thought that passing along the buck a gallon increase might effect sales. Just yesterday I glanced over at the bio pump at my card-op station and the price was $3.63 per gallon. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anyone want a W114? First $1000 takes it
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536915328.html No interest, etc... Can't tell if that's an automatic or a manual. Looks sorta like a gear selector on the column Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rodbender...
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536521989.html Any chance it's really gone 250K miles without bending? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil separator part deux
I missed the first part of this, which engine? -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Rusty says ~$140 for the oil separator new... Looks like I'll want to be really really sure its the problem before I replace it. I have a feeling the leak might be where the separator meets the down pipe. There was a particularly shifty looking seal there. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a W114? First $1000 takes it
there is a rusty 280c in hallandale that can be had for next to nothing. it's in a driveway just north of hallandale beach blvd and just east of US1. it is easy to find On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536915328.html No interest, etc... Can't tell if that's an automatic or a manual. Looks sorta like a gear selector on the column Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
these things is designed (not surprisingly) to expect the waste heat resultant from running PetroDiesel This statement seems to neglect the action of the thermostat. The whole point of the thermostat is to keep the engine at optimum temp. For bioD to result in the engine running cold the radiator has to be ambient while the engine is running (or just over, I'm sure theres some leakage around the thermostat). The engine produces waste heat, the thermostat ensures a portion of that waste heat is kept in the engine, the radiator wastes the rest out. I can assure you its MUCH colder here than its ever been in Berkley and my car has no problem keeping up to temp. In fact I realized today that when I said 80C I probably ment 90C, the needle generally rides right at the top of the 8 in 80, about halfway between the 80 line and the next one... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:43:13 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? Message-ID: 4b43b271.9080...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi Max! i'll check the temps with a laser thermometer again, but haven't found any real disparities in the past. good thought about the airflow over the rad when there's no coolant flow; but there's also the oil cooler, and all the heat lost to air that's generally circulating around the engine compartment,... by any chance are you running BioD? i think this is the main contribution factor in this issue,... i guess i wasn't clear enough that this seems to be most apparent in colder weather when running BioDiesel; in more normal temps and/or on regular #2 it's usually just over 80C where we'd expect it, varying to occasionally right up around 100C on an extended climb in warmer weather. this thing really seems happiest (read: more powerful, smoother shifting) when it's warmer, and i was thinking there might be some advantage to keeping it closer to its target temperature. (like more power, better oil flow, better evaporation of crankcase water contaminants,..). i strongly suspect it's in a large part because BioD doesn't put out the same amount of waste heat as #2; many others in the BioD fleet around here seem to have noticed the same thing. the effect is even more exaggerated with the W/SVO crowd. seems that the cooling systems in these things is designed (not surprisingly) to expect the waste heat resultant from running PetroDiesel, and the cooling system is overcooling when running anything else. am still really interested in hearing about the thoughts regarding shrouding (like yours; good point again!). cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter Tire Review
so now you have more tire than you do car? Donald Snook wrote: I bought a set of four Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires for my BMW. If anyone is thinking about these tires, I would highly recommend them. They are considered high performance winter/snow tires. My car drove perfectly through the last couple of snow storms we had here in the Midwest. On Christmas Eve, I had to drive to my Mother's house for Christmas and we drove through a nasty storm and then had to drive back through the snow on the way back. The car did great. The snow tires grip ferociously and also performed very well when the roads were clear. They are surprisingly quiet for winter tires with pretty aggressive tread. One warning though, they are directional tires. When I first had them put on (they were already mounted on wheels), I had two of them reversed (i.e. wrong direction). They did make noise and it was a little squirrelly. Luckily, I only drove like that for 1 day before I checked them again. So, if you need performance snow/winter tires, give these a try! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2601 - Release Date: 01/05/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold)
Are these thermostats from Rusty? The good made in France ones? There Chinese ones are crap, absolute waste of time. See my other post but I think the big reason for not blocking the radiator is that something is wrong with the cooling system. Your symptoms don't make any sense to me. Run petro diesel for a week while its cold out to verify that the car absolutely doesn't behave like you say... On my morning commute today I had full temp in 3 miles. Ambient temp was 16F. Return trip I have to get on the highway within a mile of startup, I had full temp in 2.5 miles, ambient temp 24F. Based on that I'm sticking to there being something wrong with your car. The bioD argument just doesn't make sense to me. Granted there are loads of things that don't make sense to me but still. I kind of wish there was a bio pump somewhere handy, I'd spend the extra cash to see if my car did the same thing. -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:44:56 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) Message-ID: 4b43b2d8.1090...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi Curt! yep; gauge seems to work fine, and no disparities when checked with a laser thermometer. operating temps with #2 fuel in more temperate weather are pretty much what we'd expect. like i said; once it's on the highway for a while, it reads like you say yours does; just over the 80C mark... just takes a good long while to get all the way up there when running BioD. cabin heat seems pretty adequate (Climate Control does a pretty good job of taking care of that). doesn't start making any heat until the engines got some, but that seems consistent with what it was designed to do. concerns with running it below target temp are related to poorer combustion/power/shifting/fuel economy, and the fact that if it doesn't get up to temp it never evaporates the water that condenses into the oil, resulting in the formation of acids and higher contaminants. (i change the oil every 3K anyway because of what the BioD does to it, but i'd prefer to try to keep the odds stacked more in my favor.) i guess what i'm looking for is to see if there's any good reason *not* to block off some of the airflow,...? cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CL claim
Right now around here you could pick up enough wood along the road to drive a million miles... Pine is super easy to get free and should gassify well enough. If it were 128 miles/cord it'd be 1 mile per cubic foot... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:55:53 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New CL claim Message-ID: 4b43b569.1020...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed but but but you cut it as you go along, or get people to give you wood! Like fryer oil, just stop at a meskin restaurant and drain the fryer into your tank, or pick up a few branches or pallets alongside the road. Maybe it should be 250 mi/cord (free!) --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: diesel/biodiesel/wood, gets 140 mi/cord! Seriously? I'd never heard of such poor performance from a gassifier. A cord of wood weighs tons, and costs $100-200 in rural USA. That would be dollar a mile fuel consumption. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender...
yes, very good chance. Allan Streib wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1536521989.html Any chance it's really gone 250K miles without bending? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 13:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] g wagon anyone?
Original Message Subject:1983 Mercedes G-Wagen 280GE - $3000 (Tulsa) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:01:47 -0800 (PST) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/1538897933.html to contact the person who posted this. 1983 Mercedes G-Wagen 280GE Date: 2010-01-05, 3:24PM Up for sale is my 1983 MB 280GE LWB project. It is a 5 door right hand drive six cylinder. The front left fender needs replaced (available from mserpe) and the roof has a very minor dent. It is a complete project minus a few exterior trim pieces and would make a great offroading G when finished. Engine turns over freely but is in non running condition due to a bad fuel pump. There is minor rust on the wheel wells and the rear rocker panel. The rear cargo area is full of extra parts including an extra set of good tires, complete exhaust, and other miscellaneous parts. An extra hood in flat black is also included. I need to sell this project ASAP. I will listen to all reasonable offers. This G would make a great offroad toy or an excellent parts car. I can aid in delivery if need be. Call or email with any questions. This G has a clear title. Nick 918-557-7631 * Location: Tulsa * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/1538897933.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100105/80962e48/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
hi Curt! i understand the purpose of the thermostat, but it's not like the 'stat is controlling the exclusive method of cooling of the engine; the more obvious methods of heat loss other than the radiator might be the oil cooler (i don't know if this has *any* thermostat whatsoever) and the cabin heater. less obvious might be the cooling of the engine directly from the block into the air around it in the engine compartment. we agree that both PetroD and BioD produce waste heat; but the fact of the matter is that BioD produces much less of it. with less to start with, there's simply less to be retained. as i've mentioned, we've found the difference in operating temps when running PetroD and BioD to be obvious and repeatable. in trips to the Sierra in winter we see regular temps when/if we run PetroD; the only difference is the fuel. thanks for the input, but we're still looking for any reason why *not* to use a shroud to reduce airflow through the rad, oil cooler and engine compartment. any ideas? cheer! e Curt Raymond wrote: these things is designed (not surprisingly) to expect the waste heat resultant from running PetroDiesel This statement seems to neglect the action of the thermostat. The whole point of the thermostat is to keep the engine at optimum temp. For bioD to result in the engine running cold the radiator has to be ambient while the engine is running (or just over, I'm sure theres some leakage around the thermostat). The engine produces waste heat, the thermostat ensures a portion of that waste heat is kept in the engine, the radiator wastes the rest out. I can assure you its MUCH colder here than its ever been in Berkley and my car has no problem keeping up to temp. In fact I realized today that when I said 80C I probably ment 90C, the needle generally rides right at the top of the 8 in 80, about halfway between the 80 line and the next one... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:43:13 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? Message-ID: 4b43b271.9080...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi Max! i'll check the temps with a laser thermometer again, but haven't found any real disparities in the past. good thought about the airflow over the rad when there's no coolant flow; but there's also the oil cooler, and all the heat lost to air that's generally circulating around the engine compartment,... by any chance are you running BioD? i think this is the main contribution factor in this issue,... i guess i wasn't clear enough that this seems to be most apparent in colder weather when running BioDiesel; in more normal temps and/or on regular #2 it's usually just over 80C where we'd expect it, varying to occasionally right up around 100C on an extended climb in warmer weather. this thing really seems happiest (read: more powerful, smoother shifting) when it's warmer, and i was thinking there might be some advantage to keeping it closer to its target temperature. (like more power, better oil flow, better evaporation of crankcase water contaminants,..). i strongly suspect it's in a large part because BioD doesn't put out the same amount of waste heat as #2; many others in the BioD fleet around here seem to have noticed the same thing. the effect is even more exaggerated with the W/SVO crowd. seems that the cooling systems in these things is designed (not surprisingly) to expect the waste heat resultant from running PetroDiesel, and the cooling system is overcooling when running anything else. am still really interested in hearing about the thoughts regarding shrouding (like yours; good point again!). cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
There is a thermostat in the oil cooler system (in the oil filter housing, I think) and if it fails, the engine will overcool. If your oil pressure is higher at idle in cold weather than when it's warm, this could be a problem. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Miles per cord
Wood gassification is very well developed. There's a guy who owns a sawmill somewhere in the south who runs all his trucks on wood gas. He's kept close track of his fuel useage, and in his fleet of 3 dodge dakota v-6s he gets 5,000 miles per cord on the average. He drove from his home town to San Francisco to an alternative fuel meet with a table saw in the back of the truck (powered by an inverter off the engine, so it ran on wood gas, too) and a small trailer, and he'd gather wood as he went and cut it into small chunks with the table saw, and feed it into the firebox. Hell, at that rate, a small 5x8 trailer full of wood could take you 2,000 miles easy, without having to stop to cut. Got 30% less horsepower on wood gas, hence the v-6, which had plenty of power even on the alternative fuel for his needs. That's really very efficient.--3 cents a mile if you figure 150 a cord. But the thing is, a wood gasifier will burn the stuff that comes out of wood chippers, sawmill waste, all kinds of stuff that's free by the truckload. You don't need or want split, dried hardwoods. You want little stuff that'll fit in a small firebox. But it's not for everybody, and its really not suited to commuting--you have to light the fire, get it going, refuel--its' better for delivery truck work, where you keep the thing going all day, and can carry with you as much as you need for the day. Dan On Jan 5, 2010, at 5:47 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mercedes digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: running temps in the cold? (Mitch Haley) 2. Re: running temps in the cold? (Benz Hogs) 3. Re: New CL claim (Mitch Haley) 4. Re: '83 240D in review (Curt Raymond) 5. Re: New CL claim (Curt Raymond) 6. Re: running temps in the cold? (ernest breakfield) 7. Re: running temps in the cold? (was: Re: glowing in the cold) (ernest breakfield) 8. Re: running temps in the cold? (ernest breakfield) 9. Re: New CL claim (Rich Thomas) 10. Oil separator part deux (Curt Raymond) 11. Re: glowing in the cold (WILTON) 12. Re: New CL claim (WILTON) 13. Re: New CL claim (WILTON) 14. Re: Bio subsidy (Gary Hurst) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:17:36 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? Message-ID: 4b43ac70.6010...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I can think of a few things, the heater could be drawing all the heat, or your thermostat housing could be eroded, or your thermostat could be stuck open. Mitch. -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:16:19 -0600 From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? Message-ID: 4b43ac23.1030...@gulseth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You need a new thermostat if the temp takes more than 5 minutes to reach 80-85C. Every Benz diesel that I have driven (with a new thermostat) has reached 85c within 2 miles of home at 30-40mph in sub-freezing weather. Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) ernest breakfield wrote: only slightly related; what kind of operating temps are you guys that live in real cold seeing? here where temps rarely get much below the 20s-40s this time of year, i still don't often see the coolant temp indicate anything above 80C until it's been on the highway at speed/load for many miles. (i've already played with changing out the thermostat to units i've verified are opening at the proper temps.) i'm sure this is exacerbated by the fact that we're running almost pure BioDiesel almost all of the time as we can see the temps come up quicker and higher when we have to run #2 instead of B99 on road trips, but i can run around town all day and never see the coolant reach the normal area on the gauge even when temps are into the 50s and higher. FWIW, the car starts fine on a single glow cycle, but (no surprise!) definitely runs stronger when warm. i know some veteran diesel-heads used to be seen with radiators shrouded or grills even completely blocked in the cold to keep temps up where they're supposed to be; what are the thoughts regarding doing this with a 617 turbo-diesel? cheers! e '85 300D (~187K) Berkeley, CA
Re: [MBZ] Oil separator part deux
616, '83 240D -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:57:50 -0500 From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil separator part deux Message-ID: 4b43d1fe.7040...@winmutt.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I missed the first part of this, which engine? -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Rusty says ~$140 for the oil separator new... Looks like I'll want to be really really sure its the problem before I replace it. I have a feeling the leak might be where the separator meets the down pipe. There was a particularly shifty looking seal there. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
My point is that your thermostat should be able to keep the engine warm regardless of the fuel used. ICE engines are massively inefficient in regard to waste heat. Theres absolutely no way that my car at -20F can run up to full temp and yours at 40F can't just because of the fuel. Your car is overcooling for some reason and a barrier over the radiator is just masking a problem. I like Peter's idea about the oil cooler thermostat failing. Got an infrared thermometer? Shoot the oil cooler before the engine is completely warm (like when the temp gauge is halfway up) IIRC the oil cooler thermostat isn't supposed to open until like 90C. If your oil cooler is appreciably hotter than ambient yet cooler than the engine I'd say that thermostat is failing. Marshall used to say something about covering the entire swept area of the fan I think. IIRC the idea was that if you didn't radiator damage would somehow result. I don't really remember the whole deal though. -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:52:21 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold? Message-ID: 4b43ecd5.10...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi Curt! i understand the purpose of the thermostat, but it's not like the 'stat is controlling the exclusive method of cooling of the engine; the more obvious methods of heat loss other than the radiator might be the oil cooler (i don't know if this has *any* thermostat whatsoever) and the cabin heater. less obvious might be the cooling of the engine directly from the block into the air around it in the engine compartment. we agree that both PetroD and BioD produce waste heat; but the fact of the matter is that BioD produces much less of it. with less to start with, there's simply less to be retained. as i've mentioned, we've found the difference in operating temps when running PetroD and BioD to be obvious and repeatable. in trips to the Sierra in winter we see regular temps when/if we run PetroD; the only difference is the fuel. thanks for the input, but we're still looking for any reason why *not* to use a shroud to reduce airflow through the rad, oil cooler and engine compartment. any ideas? cheer! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] running temps in the cold?
The Frankenheap warms up noticeably faster in sub-freezing temps if I cover the radiator. If I forget and leave it covered up and the temps get up to freezing, the car will overheat. I do it because it warms faster, the lack of that cold air blast over the sippy little engine helps it warm up. But for me it's a speed thing, if the thermostat (and housing which it mates against) are in good shape the car will hit and maintain its proper temperature, at least down to maybe sub-zero ambient temperatures. This is true of the Frankenheap. The argument against partially blocking the radiator is that the uneven air flow flexes the fan, which can eventually cause blades to break off. This is particularly an issue on old Chevies with their steel fan blades, or so I recall. I'm ignoring it, partly because I spend so little time on the freeway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] hawkeyes kicking ass
iowa is about the only team in the big ten i can stand -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
If my memory is correct, the Gump is an OM615, and if so, has regular hex for the Delivery valve body. No special socket needed. While the other precautions are good to heed, the older pumps are not as sensitive to over-torqueing as the OM60x IP and the later 617 IP. It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
