Re: [MBZ] 84 300SD rear disk RR

2011-05-18 Thread Max Dillon
You'll need to loosen the parking brake and then beat on the rotor with a 
hammer after the caliper is off. Renewing parking brake is probably optional, 
and you should be able to see the service brake pads and decide in advance if 
they need to be replaced.

-Max
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Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

I gotta get a (at least) new rear disk on the Mamabenz, how hard is it to RR? 
Looks like all you gotta do is take off the caliper and then the disk comes 
off? And the parking brake should probably be changed out at the same time too, 
right? And do both sides while I'm at it?? 
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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread MG

Thanks Wilton I'll do that.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 18:22:54 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

Try odometergears.com.  Check okiebenz.com/archive/

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Max Dillon
After a little research on differential function, I've concluded that it's not 
possible for slipping to occur there, which leaves the transmission.  Why does 
the noise which accompanies the slipping sound like it's coming from the rear 
end I don't know.

-Max

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[MBZ] 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem? Dieselvolk,
My '95 E300 is worrying me. I am on a trip in WDC, will be here for
another week or so. Commuting about 45 miles per day, 540 mile trip to
get home when I'm done. Occasionally, after the car has been driven for
a few miles at highway speed and is fully warmed up, it will slip for
about half a second and make a noise while slipping, then jerk into
movement when resuming travel from a full
stop. For instance, drive on highway and then exit and come to a stop
sign. When I step on the gas to go, it will slip for just a half a
second and make noise which seems to come from the rear end. Car has
about 287k miles now. This used to be a once a month event, now it has
become a once or twice a day event. I just changed the ATF and filter
about 2k miles ago, using Mobil 1 now. It was doing this before the
change, old fluid level was fine and no alarming bits in the pan, no
burnt smell. ATF level has not changed since I serviced it. From the
very first instance, I immediately suspected the rear end, which has
ASD. I have not done a thing other than verify that the rear end has
gear lube in it and that the ASD hydraulic fluid reservoir has fluid,
although it is a bit low (power steering pump has slight leak). The
other alternative I can think of is that this is a transmission
problem, like a B2 piston about to splinter. Transmission has a flair
during the 2-3 shift but otherwise
shifts just fine. Who knows if this is a failure mode for an ASD rear
end? I would love to hear Dave M.'s opinion, anyone know how to contact
him? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with
the head!) '95 E300 287k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20
(High  dry until the head is back on) Charleston
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Jim Cathey
After a little research on differential function, I've concluded that 
it's not possible for slipping to occur there, which leaves the 
transmission.  Why does the noise which accompanies the slipping sound 
like it's coming from the rear end I don't know.


Noises can telegraph oddly, that's for sure.  Is this car one
that plays games with brakes for traction control?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Max Dillon
No, uses hydraulically activated clutches to lock up the differential when 
slipping is detected via the ABS sensors.

-Max
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Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 After a little research on differential function, I've concluded that  it's 
 not possible for slipping to occur there, which leaves the  transmission. 
 Why does the noise which accompanies the slipping sound  like it's coming 
 from the rear end I don't know. Noises can telegraph oddly, that's for sure. 
 Is this car one that plays games with brakes for traction control? -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 84 300SD rear disk RR

2011-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas
I'm figuring while I'm in there to just deal with it all, and be done 
with it for another 27 years


--R

On 5/18/2011 6:53 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

You'll need to loosen the parking brake and then beat on the rotor with a 
hammer after the caliper is off. Renewing parking brake is probably optional, 
and you should be able to see the service brake pads and decide in advance if 
they need to be replaced.

-Max


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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas
I think someone posted the link to the gears, I recall that there are 
2-3 different ones for different cars, you need to pull out the existing 
one and count the teeth on it and/or diameter to get the correct 
replacement.


--R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)

On 5/17/2011 3:49 PM, MG wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get the little gear that drives the 
odometer on the electronic speedo from a 1981 to whenever 300SD?


Thanks
Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 --R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)


What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem
with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas
They just quit odometering or speedoing.  The glue fix might work, or 
maybe the driven gear(s) is broken.  Having not actually torn into one I 
only know the symptoms, others have either glued the gear back to the 
shaft or replaced it as reported in these chronicles.


--R

On 5/18/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

--R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)


What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem
with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
I get a jackhammer-like noise somewhere in the instrument cluster area at
speed.  The speedo cable is only a couple years old, although I did replace
the transmission.  Could this be the problem??  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

1983 300TD with 1985 transmission



On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 They just quit odometering or speedoing.  The glue fix might work, or maybe
 the driven gear(s) is broken.  Having not actually torn into one I only know
 the symptoms, others have either glued the gear back to the shaft or
 replaced it as reported in these chronicles.

 --R


 On 5/18/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

 --R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)

 What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem
 with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
 needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Randy Bennell

On 18/05/2011 9:05 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

No, uses hydraulically activated clutches to lock up the differential when 
slipping is detected via the ABS sensors.

-Max
Then are you sure it cannot slip? Clutches sounds to me like clutch 
packs and one might think they could slip.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Max Dillon
If the clutches slip, which is their normal mode, then the differential is 
simply an open diff. Wheel slippage is possible - maybe that noise is a 
burn-out! Car is pretty powerful

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Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

On 18/05/2011 9:05 AM, Max Dillon wrote:  No, uses hydraulically activated 
clutches to lock up the differential when slipping is detected via the ABS 
sensors.   -Max Then are you sure it cannot slip? Clutches sounds to me like 
clutch packs and one might think they could slip. 
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Randy Bennell

On 18/05/2011 11:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

If the clutches slip, which is their normal mode, then the differential is 
simply an open diff. Wheel slippage is possible - maybe that noise is a 
burn-out! Car is pretty powerful

Max
I don't recall the initial description of your issue. Does it actually 
slip, or feel like it is slipping?
My truck appears to do the opposite. After a highway run in warmer 
weather, it sounds like it is binding on turns. Adding the Ford oil 
supplement for posi differentials has helped but it still does it and I 
am thinking of adding another small bottle of the stuff to see if it helps.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Have you taken a sniff of the trans and diff fluids?  You can usually 
detect a burnt smell if things are starting to slip and go bad.


--R

On 5/18/2011 12:31 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 18/05/2011 11:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
If the clutches slip, which is their normal mode, then the 
differential is simply an open diff. Wheel slippage is possible - 
maybe that noise is a burn-out! Car is pretty powerful


Max
I don't recall the initial description of your issue. Does it actually 
slip, or feel like it is slipping?
My truck appears to do the opposite. After a highway run in warmer 
weather, it sounds like it is binding on turns. Adding the Ford oil 
supplement for posi differentials has helped but it still does it and 
I am thinking of adding another small bottle of the stuff to see if it 
helps.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas

Yeah that's probably the cable, it might be kinked or something?

--R

On 5/18/2011 12:10 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I get a jackhammer-like noise somewhere in the instrument cluster area at
speed.  The speedo cable is only a couple years old, although I did replace
the transmission.  Could this be the problem??  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

1983 300TD with 1985 transmission



On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:


They just quit odometering or speedoing.  The glue fix might work, or maybe
the driven gear(s) is broken.  Having not actually torn into one I only know
the symptoms, others have either glued the gear back to the shaft or
replaced it as reported in these chronicles.

--R


On 5/18/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net   wrote:


--R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)

What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem

with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 1995 E300D W124 Transmission or ASD Rear End Problem?

2011-05-18 Thread Randy Bennell


No issues of that nature that I am aware of. Had leaking seals that 
caused us to drain and refill the diff housing. Did not put the special 
smelly stuff in and that may have created part of the issue. Adding a 
bottle helped and I wonder if a bit more might do it.


I am told the other possible answer is to change out the clutch pack. I 
bought the parts once but did not go ahead with it and took them back. 
Unless it gets a whole lot worse, I may never worry too much about it. 
As I said, it only seems to be an issue when I come in to town from a 
highway run that gets it heated up. Then it will make odd noises and 
shudder a bit on tight turns. Once it cools down, it is back to normal.


Randy


On 18/05/2011 11:40 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Have you taken a sniff of the trans and diff fluids?  You can usually 
detect a burnt smell if things are starting to slip and go bad.


--R

On 5/18/2011 12:31 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 18/05/2011 11:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
If the clutches slip, which is their normal mode, then the 
differential is simply an open diff. Wheel slippage is possible - 
maybe that noise is a burn-out! Car is pretty powerful


Max
I don't recall the initial description of your issue. Does it 
actually slip, or feel like it is slipping?
My truck appears to do the opposite. After a highway run in warmer 
weather, it sounds like it is binding on turns. Adding the Ford oil 
supplement for posi differentials has helped but it still does it and 
I am thinking of adding another small bottle of the stuff to see if 
it helps.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread Tim C
I had one that made a loud fan sound, it was in the cluster not the
cable.  In the end it was the grease on the gears in the odo/speedo
assembly.  I took it apart, cleaned it out, put thick sewing machine
oil on it, put it back together.  Running fine two years on.

Best,
-Tim

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Yeah that's probably the cable, it might be kinked or something?

 --R

 On 5/18/2011 12:10 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 I get a jackhammer-like noise somewhere in the instrument cluster area at
 speed.  The speedo cable is only a couple years old, although I did
 replace
 the transmission.  Could this be the problem??  Any suggestions?

 Thanks,

 1983 300TD with 1985 transmission



 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

 They just quit odometering or speedoing.  The glue fix might work, or
 maybe
 the driven gear(s) is broken.  Having not actually torn into one I only
 know
 the symptoms, others have either glued the gear back to the shaft or
 replaced it as reported in these chronicles.

 --R


 On 5/18/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net   wrote:

 --R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)

 What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem

 with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
 needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
I swapped the speedo - not change at all.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 I had one that made a loud fan sound, it was in the cluster not the
 cable.  In the end it was the grease on the gears in the odo/speedo
 assembly.  I took it apart, cleaned it out, put thick sewing machine
 oil on it, put it back together.  Running fine two years on.

 Best,
 -Tim

 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Rich Thomas
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
  Yeah that's probably the cable, it might be kinked or something?
 
  --R
 
  On 5/18/2011 12:10 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 
  I get a jackhammer-like noise somewhere in the instrument cluster area
 at
  speed.  The speedo cable is only a couple years old, although I did
  replace
  the transmission.  Could this be the problem??  Any suggestions?
 
  Thanks,
 
  1983 300TD with 1985 transmission
 
 
 
  On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rich Thomas
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:
 
  They just quit odometering or speedoing.  The glue fix might work, or
  maybe
  the driven gear(s) is broken.  Having not actually torn into one I only
  know
  the symptoms, others have either glued the gear back to the shaft or
  replaced it as reported in these chronicles.
 
  --R
 
 
  On 5/18/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net   wrote:
 
  --R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)
 
  What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem
 
  with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
  needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.
 
  Alex
 
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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread MG
I did that already Rich. I found two gears with 48 and 12 teeth 
on each one and one small one with 12. It is just the small one 
that broke into pieces but I think I will get all three because 
the two big ones are very soft and will probably break once it 
gets to the point of having to turn 6 or more of the odo barrels 
at the same time.


Manfred



Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:57:42 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear


I think someone posted the link to the gears, I recall that there are
2-3 different ones for different cars, you need to pull out the 
existing

one and count the teeth on it and/or diameter to get the correct
replacement.

--R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread MG
It was pretty easy to diagnose. None of the numbers on the odo 
ever changed. When I took it apart the problem was confirmed by 
the missing pieces of the small odo drive gear that sits on the 
end of the stepper motor shaft. I only found 1/2 of it in two 
pieces. Don't know where the rest of it went. At least none of it 
is in the speedometer works or in any of the other instruments.


Manfred



Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:37:40 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear


On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 --R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)


What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem
with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the 
jittery

needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread MG
Yup the glue fix worked for a while on my 300D, then it started 
to slip again. The fix that has worked since then was to drill a 
hole into the gear and shaft and put in a tiny brass rod to lock 
them together. I wish the drive gear on the electronic speedos 
was also pot metal. I might have been able to do something with it.


Manfred



Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:50:34 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

They just quit odometering or speedoing.  The glue fix might work, or
maybe the driven gear(s) is broken.  Having not actually torn 
into one I

only know the symptoms, others have either glued the gear back to the
shaft or replaced it as reported in these chronicles.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread MG
What other symptoms are there? Any bouncing of the needle? Do the 
odo numbers move? Hard to say with just reading about a noise. 
Could be that the cable is skipping in the socket that it should 
be driving. Could be the odo gear skipping. Bring it down here 
and I will take a look at it for you. Or you could take the panel 
out and try driving the speedo with a drill and see if you can 
find the problem that way. That's what I would do.


Manfred



Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:10:08 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

I get a jackhammer-like noise somewhere in the instrument cluster 
area at
speed.  The speedo cable is only a couple years old, although I 
did replace

the transmission.  Could this be the problem??  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

1983 300TD with 1985 transmission


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[MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Jerry Herrman
So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to 
attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged 
up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take 
care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato 
peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J 
bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced the trap, and took out the 
peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of 
garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the 
disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not 
inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature 
for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. 

My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's? 

Jerry
1982 240D
Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I think it's fluff tbh...

I was just in a rental in San Francisco, and it had a GD(insinkerator
brand), one would think SF would be the first to ban a GD...

I think what happened is the tennants didn't run the water while grinding,
so it sludged up instead of dispearsing.

Just my 2 cents,

Walt
On May 18, 2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:
 So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to
attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged
up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take
care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato
peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J
bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out
the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of
garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing
the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am
not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable
feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage
disposers.

 My question: Why have some cities banned GD's?

 Jerry
 1982 240D
 Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread John Reames
Those darned baffle tees are a good way to have a clog develop!

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On May 18, 2011, at 20:01, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it's fluff tbh...
 
 I was just in a rental in San Francisco, and it had a GD(insinkerator
 brand), one would think SF would be the first to ban a GD...
 
 I think what happened is the tennants didn't run the water while grinding,
 so it sludged up instead of dispearsing.
 
 Just my 2 cents,
 
 Walt
 On May 18, 2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:
 So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to
 attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged
 up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take
 care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato
 peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J
 bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out
 the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of
 garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing
 the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am
 not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable
 feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage
 disposers.
 
 My question: Why have some cities banned GD's?
 
 Jerry
 1982 240D
 Does not run on potato peels
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I own rental properties as well and I have removed the GDs as they keep getting 
clogged. Tenants don't respect properties enough to use or care to use 
judgement when it comes to what can or can't go into a GD.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:

So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to 
attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged 
up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take 
care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato 
peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J 
bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced the trap, and took out the 
peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of 
garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the 
disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not 
inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature 
for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. 

My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's? 

Jerry
1982 240D
Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Allan Streib
We don't have one (septic system) and I don't really miss it.  We just
dump the scraps in the trash, it's actually faster and easier than
feeding them into the disposer, also saves a bit of water.

I don't think a drain has to be particularly designed for a GD.  If
it's working properly, it should not discharge anything big enough to
cause a clog.

They *used* to be banned in NYC due to percieved problems that food waste
caused in the sanitary sewers.  However according to Wikipedia that ban
was lifted in 1997.


Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com writes:

 So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to 
 attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged 
 up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take 
 care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato 
 peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J 
 bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced the trap, and took out 
 the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of 
 garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing 
 the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am 
 not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable 
 feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage 
 disposers. 

 My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's? 

 Jerry
 1982 240D
 Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread WILTON
Make sure tenant is properly advised and instructed on its operation and 
leave it in place.  If it clogs again and becomes an on-going problem remove 
it.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:55 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned


So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to 
attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is 
clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a 
plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say 
that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and 
bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced 
the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house 
was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have 
a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original 
configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his 
reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He 
says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers.


My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's?

Jerry
1982 240D
Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Peter Frederick
Excessive solids at the sewage treatment plant.  Plugs up the whole  
works.  This is also the reason most places ban pouring grease down  
the drain -- it clogs up the sewers and causes severe operational  
problems.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread John Reames
I'm not so sure on the drains; the baffle tees have a dedicated path for each 
inlet, they each are necked down to a semicircle that's about 1 3/8 across... 
(not quite 3/4 between the arc and the chord at the widest point!), so it will 
not take much to plug them.

I've also seen close-radius elbows used in drains (back in walls and floors), 
which also are fun...

Oh and don't forget years worth of pouring hot fat from frying pans down the 
drain... 

All of which conspire to cause no end of mess...

Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the bottom, 
long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra good 
measure.

It drains psychotically fast.

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Mobile: +14437915905

On May 18, 2011, at 20:44, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 We don't have one (septic system) and I don't really miss it.  We just
 dump the scraps in the trash, it's actually faster and easier than
 feeding them into the disposer, also saves a bit of water.
 
 I don't think a drain has to be particularly designed for a GD.  If
 it's working properly, it should not discharge anything big enough to
 cause a clog.
 
 They *used* to be banned in NYC due to percieved problems that food waste
 caused in the sanitary sewers.  However according to Wikipedia that ban
 was lifted in 1997.
 
 
 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com writes:
 
 So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to 
 attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged 
 up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take 
 care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato 
 peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J 
 bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced the trap, and took out 
 the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of 
 garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing 
 the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am 
 not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable 
 feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage 
 disposers. 
 
 My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's? 
 
 Jerry
 1982 240D
 Does not run on potato peels
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Peter Hertzing
I'm not sure about the rest of the board - but I primarily appreciate the
use of indoor plumbing for removing a certain solid waste that I create
after doing a trick I call the Human Garbage disposal.  Its hard to imagine
what I do on the porcelain thrown could possibly be rivaled by anything
ground up in the garbage disposal.

I'm just saying...

Peter

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 I'm not so sure on the drains; the baffle tees have a dedicated path for
 each inlet, they each are necked down to a semicircle that's about 1 3/8
 across... (not quite 3/4 between the arc and the chord at the widest
 point!), so it will not take much to plug them.

 I've also seen close-radius elbows used in drains (back in walls and
 floors), which also are fun...

 Oh and don't forget years worth of pouring hot fat from frying pans down
 the drain...

 All of which conspire to cause no end of mess...

 Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the
 bottom, long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra
 good measure.

 It drains psychotically fast.

 --
 John W Reames
 jream...@verizon.net
 Home: +14106646986
 Mobile: +14437915905

  On May 18, 2011, at 20:44, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  We don't have one (septic system) and I don't really miss it.  We just
  dump the scraps in the trash, it's actually faster and easier than
  feeding them into the disposer, also saves a bit of water.
 
  I don't think a drain has to be particularly designed for a GD.  If
  it's working properly, it should not discharge anything big enough to
  cause a clog.
 
  They *used* to be banned in NYC due to percieved problems that food waste
  caused in the sanitary sewers.  However according to Wikipedia that ban
  was lifted in 1997.
 
 
  Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com writes:
 
  So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening
 to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is
 clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber
 to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet
 potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in
 the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced the trap, and
 took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before
 the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He
 recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration
 under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it
 to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities
 have banned garbage disposers.
 
  My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's?
 
  Jerry
  1982 240D
  Does not run on potato peels
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Spud peels are the worst because they swell up when you grind them in 
the disposer, then they get caught in the bends and what not.  I had to 
clean my drains out several times when we had one in Houston because of 
that (and someone not using enough water, and feeding them in too fast, 
and generally not... well you get the picture).  Municipalities also 
find them now to be clogging up the sanitary sewers with stuff, and it 
puts a heavier load on the treatment plant with solids that then need to 
be disposed of, and that costs money and requires a special landfill if 
they don't compost it and sell it (which also costs money and takes 
space and investment...).  It's just easier to ban them than deal with 
stuff.


--R

On 5/18/2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a 
meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked 
solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls 
after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage 
disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed 
and  replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was 
built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He 
recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. 
I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for 
residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers.

My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's?

Jerry
1982 240D
Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
They ARE banned in NYC!  My brother has lived  there since 1973 - heshould
 know.

People  should compost their vegetal table scraps... + coffee grounds +
spent kitty litter (corn based) + leaves (crushed) + grass clippings.
Results in 2 weeks or less.  :)

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Spud peels are the worst because they swell up when you grind them in the
 disposer, then they get caught in the bends and what not.  I had to clean my
 drains out several times when we had one in Houston because of that (and
 someone not using enough water, and feeding them in too fast, and generally
 not... well you get the picture).  Municipalities also find them now to be
 clogging up the sanitary sewers with stuff, and it puts a heavier load on
 the treatment plant with solids that then need to be disposed of, and that
 costs money and requires a special landfill if they don't compost it and
 sell it (which also costs money and takes space and investment...).  It's
 just easier to ban them than deal with stuff.

 --R


 On 5/18/2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

 So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to
 attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged
 up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take
 care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato
 peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J
 bend causing the blockage. He removed and  replaced the trap, and took out
 the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of
 garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing
 the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am
 not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable
 feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage
 disposers.

 My question:  Why have some cities banned GD's?

 Jerry
 1982 240D
 Does not run on potato peels


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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Craig
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:03 -0700 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com
wrote:

 He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original
 configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his
 reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents.

We rented in Austin, Texas. When we clogged the drain, we either fixed it
ourselves or paid the bill to have it fixed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned

2011-05-18 Thread Fmiser
 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 People  should compost their vegetal table scraps... + coffee
 grounds + spent kitty litter (corn based) + leaves (crushed) +
 grass clippings. Results in 2 weeks or less.  :)

It's silly to compost them if there is no garden to put the
compost into.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

2011-05-18 Thread Scott Ritchey
After about 30 years, the odometer gears in the electronic speedo get
brittle and the teeth crumble.  I've also had the capacitor in the
electronic speedo go bad (a short).  On the mechanical ones, the only
problem I've had is the gears getting lose on the shaft (a job for super
glue).

Scott Ritchey
1982 300SD 230k mi
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:38
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo gear

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 --R (who needs to do this job on about 4 clusters)


What are the  symptoms?  As far as I know I've never had a problem
with the speedo or odometer in any of my Benzes other than the jittery
needle caused by a cable needing to be lubed.

Alex

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[MBZ] OK, what oil should I use?

2011-05-18 Thread Craig
I've noticed a clicking noise from the engine in our '94 E420, which I
think is a lifter and which I think started after I changed the oil and
used Castrol GTX 10W-40.

I recall comment about Mobil 1 quieting lifters. Does this apply to
vergassers as well as diesels?


Craig

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'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   264 kmi
Past:   '86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
'64 190Dc   Emma
'72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi

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