Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Kevin Kraly]

Yes, they were originally powered by 2 4-71 Detroit Diesels, but they were 
later repowered with a "Screamin' Jimmy" 8V-71.  Those weren't known for 
sipping fuel, but they sure have a nice sound!  The big, modern  Detroit 
Diesel Series 60 engines sure do make crazy power and run quietly.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> I was thinking about a shell of an old Greyhound Scenicruiser. I seem
> to recall someplace in the Midwest (Cincinnati?) having a business
> that sold shells and rolling chassis.

Those would've had a "screaming jimmy" detroit diesel 2-stroke right?
Probably looking at single-digit fuel mileage there too.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] My new used OM603 head

[Benz Hogs]

And my old #14 head.

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)


On 6/16/2011 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have one but I am not sure I want to sell it, as soon as I do I 
would have needed it.


On 6/15/2011 6:52 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
How much would you ask for a #17 head? Have you sold one or offered 
one in last few months?


Max




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Re: [MBZ] Motor home again

[Craig]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:28:28 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> What about a 84 Winnebago 21 ft with 4 cyl Renault turbo diesel engine?

What kind of weight does it have?

What kind of horsepower does it have?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Motor home again

[OK Don]

You've GOT to be KIDDING    Too much exposure to that iPhone is addling
your brain ---

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> What about a 84 Winnebago 21 ft with 4 cyl Renault turbo diesel engine?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Test Refrigerant

[OK Don]

It depends on the audience - that might increase the desirability ---

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Walt Zarnoch  writes:
>
> > Would there be a market for "official" adapters that hook can A and B
> > to the 134A style hoses you can get at FLAPS?
>
> Since it's all technically illegal, probably not.
>
> Allan
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[OK Don]

I use IXquick.com most of the time - they also don't track you, but don't
filter anything out either.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> OK Don  writes:
>
> > Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly).
>
> Try DuckDuckGo.  http://duckduckgo.com
>
> They filter out a lot of content-farm sites (eHow, etc.) and they don't
> track you. http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Motor home again

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> "Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:
>
>> What about a 84 Winnebago 21 ft with 4 cyl Renault turbo diesel
>> engine?
>
> Renault???  RUN AWAY!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY
>

It's like the evil Bizarro-world version of a Vixen.

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Re: [MBZ] pressure washers and death rays for cats without registration

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yeah well in this nanny state the fella is probably in jail for cruelty 
to cats.
On a related note the local council has decided that we have to register 
our cats http://www.mitchamcouncil.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=1176
I was in at the council the other day to pay the 500 bucks so they can 
tell me to remove my truck from my property and I told the lady behind 
the counter that I was there to register my 300 cats, she just sorta 
looked at me with that look that only government employees can come up 
with, anyway so I ask her if there had been anyone in to register their 
cats, she reckoned 500-600 people had done the right thing and she 
mentioned that a council on Kangaroo Island and some councils in the 
states have cat registrations, which I think is just a big fat revenue 
raising exercise and more draconian big brother hates you sorta stuff.


Hendrik
who does not own a feline animaland will be taking the big 
furry...ahmmnh.hamster across the border to a vet


Walt Zarnoch wrote:

That made my night.
You never find that kinda stuff going on stateside... unless it's
prefized by "hold my beer and watch this" that is.

Walt

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
  

If you are having problems with pilfering, try this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8 but you may wanna hook up
something more grunty than a water hose ;-)
Hendrik
who is having fun landscaping

WILTON wrote:


Just don't leave it sitting out in the back yard and let some sorry SOB
walk off with it like SWMBO and I did.

Wilton

  





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Re: [MBZ] Motor home again

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Ohok ok

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> "Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:
> 
>> What about a 84 Winnebago 21 ft with 4 cyl Renault turbo diesel
>> engine?
> 
> Renault???  RUN AWAY!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY
> 
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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Fmiser]

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> You obviously don't drive very far...

Don't blame it on distance.  It's just a differing opinion.

> With a 115 mile a day commute 26mpg doesn't cut it. Its not
> the cost that bothers me its having to stop and tank up...
> With the 190D I stop 3 times every 2 weeks for about 12
> gallons.

When I last commuted, it was 180 miles a day.  I drove it in a
W123. First a turbo, then a 240 with a manual transmission.  I
fueled every day.  It's just part of the trip.  But I don't like
the diminishing options when the tank gets much below 1/2 full.

I too think it's a fine commuter car.  Cheap to buy, cheap to
insure, cheap to license, cheap to run.  While there are
certainly cars that travel more miles per gallon of fuel, that
is not the only factor I look at.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor home again

[Allan Streib]

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> What about a 84 Winnebago 21 ft with 4 cyl Renault turbo diesel
> engine?

Renault???  RUN AWAY!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Test Refrigerant

[Allan Streib]

Walt Zarnoch  writes:

> Would there be a market for "official" adapters that hook can A and B
> to the 134A style hoses you can get at FLAPS?

Since it's all technically illegal, probably not.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Allan Streib]

OK Don  writes:

> Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly).

Try DuckDuckGo.  http://duckduckgo.com

They filter out a lot of content-farm sites (eHow, etc.) and they don't
track you. http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html

Allan

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[MBZ] Motor home again

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

What about a 84 Winnebago 21 ft with 4 cyl Renault turbo diesel engine?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] pressure washers and death rays for cats

[Walt Zarnoch]

That made my night.
You never find that kinda stuff going on stateside... unless it's
prefized by "hold my beer and watch this" that is.

Walt

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
> If you are having problems with pilfering, try this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8 but you may wanna hook up
> something more grunty than a water hose ;-)
> Hendrik
> who is having fun landscaping
>
> WILTON wrote:
>>
>> Just don't leave it sitting out in the back yard and let some sorry SOB
>> walk off with it like SWMBO and I did.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Test Refrigerant

[Walt Zarnoch]

Would there be a market for "official" adapters that hook can A and B
to the 134A style hoses you can get at FLAPS?

Walt

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> It's too bad straight propane doesn't work as well as
>> propane+isobutane according to Jim's experiments.  If the former were
>> the case I bet you could find the parts at McMaster or somewhere to
>> make an adapter to hook a 1 lb propane bottle directly to the center
>> connection on the A/C gauge set.  That would be a nice tidy solution.
>
> You also need this charging doohickey, as the test refrigerant
> is one of Can A plus as much of Can B as it needs to start acting
> right.  Two different filling devices.  Both of mine are fuel line,
> hose clamps, and various scrap fittings.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] pressure washers and death rays for cats

[Hendrik & Fay]

If you are having problems with pilfering, try this 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8 but you may wanna hook up 
something more grunty than a water hose ;-) 


Hendrik
who is having fun landscaping

WILTON wrote:
Just don't leave it sitting out in the back yard and let some sorry 
SOB walk off with it like SWMBO and I did.


Wilton






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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Test Refrigerant

[Jim Cathey]

It's too bad straight propane doesn't work as well as
propane+isobutane according to Jim's experiments.  If the former were
the case I bet you could find the parts at McMaster or somewhere to
make an adapter to hook a 1 lb propane bottle directly to the center
connection on the A/C gauge set.  That would be a nice tidy solution.


You also need this charging doohickey, as the test refrigerant
is one of Can A plus as much of Can B as it needs to start acting
right.  Two different filling devices.  Both of mine are fuel line,
hose clamps, and various scrap fittings.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Max Dillon]

House I grew up in had a septic tank, and a separate drain for the grey water. 
We lived on a hill side, drain left the basement toward down hill until it came 
out of the hill side, about 75 feet from the house but only about 25 feet from 
the well that supplied our fresh water.

The septic tank and field went off at a 90 degree from the grey water drain and 
well.

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OK Don  wrote:

Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). I did find 
some good advice and publications on the care and feeding of septic systems, 
but for some reason, I value to experience and knowledge of this group more --- 
We're moving to an airpark about 35 miles North of here - on the other side of 
OKC. I need the space to build an airplane, so the hanger that's behind the 
house will come in handy, and the runway that the hanger sits on will be very 
convenient for using the airplane when I get it ready to fly! Oh, yes - the 
house is larger than this one also - another plus (keeps the wife happy). On 
Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote: > On 
23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote: > >> >> Randy >> >> By the way - where are 
you moving and why? >> >> -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Max Dillon]

So you were going to build and fly your own plane! Very cool. I'm sure this 
body will be glad to give you all kinds of advice. I call first dibs for a ride 
at the future Rusty-Q that you bring it to.

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OK Don  wrote:

Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). I did find 
some good advice and publications on the care and feeding of septic systems, 
but for some reason, I value to experience and knowledge of this group more --- 
We're moving to an airpark about 35 miles North of here - on the other side of 
OKC. I need the space to build an airplane, so the hanger that's behind the 
house will come in handy, and the runway that the hanger sits on will be very 
convenient for using the airplane when I get it ready to fly! Oh, yes - the 
house is larger than this one also - another plus (keeps the wife happy). On 
Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote: > On 
23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote: > >> >> Randy >> >> By the way - where are 
you moving and why? >> >> -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 
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Re: [MBZ] AC BLOWS ICE COLD

[Walt Zarnoch]

When in doubt, throw in some UV dye and see where it goes.

Just remember to clean it good so you don't get false alarms next time
you look for a leak. :p

Walt
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> "Larry"  writes:
>
>> Speaking of AC charging - My '89 Ford Van needed a recharge yearly
>> until I asked the tech to install a can of stop leak I offered him.
>> I'd bought several stop leak cans ~5 years before and held on to them.
>> This was the 1st time I'd had a chance to use it and was surprised to
>> learn it works!  I was always suspicious of "mechanic in a can"  but
>> this time it worked.  1.5 years and still blowing cold!
>
> That stuff can work if the leak is slow enough that you only need to
> recharge once a year.  If you are losing the charge in days or weeks,
> the leak is probably too big for a stop-leak product to work.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Ignition Switch replacement 91 300D W124

[OK Don]

I followed the FSM when I replaced it in the '92, and I recall that it was
just as described. Beyond that, I don't remember enough to help you ---
sorry.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Larry  wrote:

> Hi Gang -
> Just rec’d a new Ign. Sw. with Key from Rusty and after reading the WSM I
> thought I knew how to replace it!
>
> Bt, Wrong.  I was able to remove the surrounding trim but rubber boot
> was a challenge.  There’s no way it’s coming off.
>
> The WSM says to remove the trim with a small screw driver but it’s more
> than that.  It’s more of a rubber boot that extends from the keyhole to the
> tumbler housing.  The WSM makes it look like the boot is just around the key
> hole.  Maybe the manual is for a earlier/later model?
>
> Anyway, I put the surround back in place and I’m pretty sure the tumbler
> assy. will last for a while.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thx
> LarryT
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[MBZ] Ignition Switch replacement 91 300D W124

[Larry]

Hi Gang - 
Just rec’d a new Ign. Sw. with Key from Rusty and after reading the WSM I 
thought I knew how to replace it!

Bt, Wrong.  I was able to remove the surrounding trim but rubber boot was a 
challenge.  There’s no way it’s coming off.  

The WSM says to remove the trim with a small screw driver but it’s more than 
that.  It’s more of a rubber boot that extends from the keyhole to the tumbler 
housing.  The WSM makes it look like the boot is just around the key hole.  
Maybe the manual is for a earlier/later model?

Anyway, I put the surround back in place and I’m pretty sure the tumbler assy. 
will last for a while. 

Any ideas?

Thx
LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[OK Don]

Excellent news! Congratulations to Mom and Son -= you were just along to
cheer  ;-)

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Congratulations!
>
> Peter
>

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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Curt Raymond]

You obviously don't drive very far...

With a 115 mile a day commute 26mpg doesn't cut it. Its not the cost that 
bothers me its having to stop and tank up... With the 190D I stop 3 times every 
2 weeks for about 12 gallons. This car is doing ~35mpg, the '85 5spd did more 
like 38. The problem is we're still in the learning about each other phase 
(I've only put just under 10,000 miles on) so stuff is still breaking. I'm 
starting to get ahead of the curve though so we're getting more trouble free 
driving after each repair.

The issue is I've got a ton of projects and not a ton of time. The 240D needs 
(NEEDS!) fuel lines which considering it MUST ferry me to the airport on Sunday 
(off to Argentina no less) will be addressed tomorrow. Until the 190D went down 
today I was probably going to do those lines tomorrow, now I have no choice.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:55:35 -0400
From: Allan Streib 
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Curt Raymond  writes:

> Once my current 190D runs its course I'm thinking about a Ford
> Fiesta. Better mileage, cheaper fuel, essentially no effort to keep
> running. I'll probably keep an old diesel MB around but for a primary
> commuter its kind of a PITA to have an older car.

My '83 300D is probably the best commuter vehicle I've ever owned.  It's
fully depreciated, insurance and registration is cheap, fuel economy is
decent, and it's reliable.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Curt Raymond]

Used to be there were laws about that when you lifted vehicles. Made for some 
really dumb looking trucks that were jacked way up with a bumper hanging way 
down...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:15:00 -0400
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Randy Bennell wrote:

> Yeah but, you still gonna see stars if you tangle with an F250 etc.

We need laws for common bumper heights.
If an LN9000 can match bumpers with a 911, why can't a F250?



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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Curt Raymond]

And an F250 will be scrunched by a Kenworth and the Kenworth will be splatted 
by a 747, whats your point?

I'm of the opinion that fullsize pickups have gotten stupid big lately. The 
Tundra and Titan are prime examples though the big three are still guilty 
though the F150 is probably the leanest of them.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:09:22 -0500
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On 24/06/2011 3:28 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Tim C wrote:
>
>> I parked the '77 300D next to an Altima the other day.  Shorter,
>> narrower, ... I realized I have been driving a compact, I guess I can
>> park in those spaces after all.
>
> And there's no comparison between a first generation Civic and a
> current one. Mine was the heavier hatchback, with the big 1488cc CVCC
> engine and Hondamatic, 1860lb according to the title. I think a 1169cc
> sedan with 4sp was under 1700lb.
>
> NHTSA gives one star front seat crash rating for a 1979 Civic (last of
> the first generation) and five stars for 2001-2011.
>
Yeah but, you still gonna see stars if you tangle with an F250 etc.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Morgages

[OK Don]

I put an inquiry into the credit union about rates, etc. They still haven't
responded (someone will call you -- ). Mean time, my wife went shopping
at several local banks, came home approved for a 3.8% loand - I just had to
add my signiture to the papers. Fast, pleasant, curtious, nd effecient
process (so far).

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Robert Bigham <
edward_baldh...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Long ago, I read, particularly in Consumer Reports, how credit unions
> are a much better deal for their members, etc.
>
> I tried to put that into practice.  My sad experience is that I always
> could do better at a bank.  That's even before an old friend became
> president of my bank.
>
> I don't know why, but I do know what.
>
>
> >  9 and 11. Re: OT - mortgages
>
> >Message: 9
> >Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:11:47 -0500
> >From: OK Don 
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >
> >I'd forgotten them. The last time I went to them for a new car loan (1997)
> >they were more expensive than a local bank, but it's worth checking.
> >Thanks --
> >
> . 
> --
>
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Curt Raymond]

One presumes they're not right on top of each other. Generally you keep 20-50 
feet minimum...

Anyway remember the water you drink today was dinosaur piss at one point, there 
really isn't much for "new" water, just recycled.

-Curt


Randy Bennell wrote:
> On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>> I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and
>> drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'.
>>
>> _
> Let me suggest having your water tested regularly.
>
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[OK Don]

Yes - search engines are my friends (though I use Google sparingly). I did
find some good advice and publications on the care and feeding of septic
systems, but for some reason, I value to experience and knowledge of this
group more ---

We're moving to an airpark about 35 miles North of here - on the other side
of OKC. I need the space to build an airplane, so the hanger that's behind
the house will come in handy, and the runway that the hanger sits on will be
very convenient for using the airplane when I get it ready to fly! Oh, yes -
the house is larger than this one also - another plus (keeps the wife
happy).

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote:
>
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> By the way - where are you moving and why?
>>
>> --
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[MBZ] 190D Adventure!

[Curt Raymond]

Leaving home this morning I noticed the starter on my 190D sounded odd, kind of 
slow like. I didn't pay much attention but when I left work the engine turned 
over once and then refused to turn again. I borrowed a boost pack which did 
nothing, it claimed the battery had 12.8v.

So I figure the starter has packed in. I borrowed a strap and convinced my 
friend to tow start my car with his Infinity G35x. He was very uncomfortable 
with this idea especially when I admitted that I'd never bump started an 
automatic transmission car before. I came through in the end though, we got it 
up around 20mph, I put 'er in gear and nothing happened, I brought it down to 3 
and within maybe 20 feet the engine was running. Worst part was untying the 
borrowed strap.

The car has been delivered to my Indy, tomorrow I'm going to buy 3 proper tow 
straps, 1 to go in my car, 1 for the Infinity (everybody should have a tow 
strap) and one for the guy we borrowed a tie down strap from.

Its always an adventure.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> Once my current 190D runs its course I'm thinking about a Ford
> Fiesta. Better mileage, cheaper fuel, essentially no effort to keep
> running. I'll probably keep an old diesel MB around but for a primary
> commuter its kind of a PITA to have an older car.

My '83 300D is probably the best commuter vehicle I've ever owned.  It's
fully depreciated, insurance and registration is cheap, fuel economy is
decent, and it's reliable.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] The next Erma Bombeck?

[OK Don]

Congratulations to both you and your daughter! Yes, I enjoyed the story.
Thanks.
My youngest one is all about learning to do it herself (now that she's out
fo the house), but the older two still want someone else to do it for them.
Luckily, they are both married ---

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I got this email from #1 Daughter today:  Earlier in the week, I had talked
> her through replacing the negative battery cable on the SDL by herself.  I
> was quite proud of her since she has never turned a wrench before, and
> always ran away when I tried to get her to work on a car.
>
> Before changing the cable, I had talked her through charging the battery,
> taking the neg  terminal off, cleaning it and putting the terminal back on.
>  Having FLAPS test the battery, Checking the positive terminal etc.
>
> She called me yesterday that the car was dead in a store parking lot. No
> lights, or buzzers.  No headlights or parking lights.  This was a battery
> that had suffered trauma a couple of years ago, so after all the prior work
> and testing, I had pretty much concluded that the battery may have an
> internal intermittent open circuit.  She had already called her friend
> Keeley to come help her.  They wanted to try to jump the battery.  I had
> suggested taking it out and going a short distance to oreally and getting a
> new battery.  I told her to call me back and let me know what happened.
>
>
> She never called but swmbo got a text much later that the battery tested
> ok.
>
>
> QUOTE*
>
> I thought I should paint this scenario for you...
>
> I have learned far more about the car battery than I ever thought
> possible...far more than I've ever wanted to know.  Keely has little
> experience working on cars, as you could probably guess.  Luckily Keely's
> boyfriend had jumper cables, but he didn't want to come help. So he showed
> her what to do as far as hooking it up on her car.  Her battery is different
> so I'm glad, because it looked weird to me lol. He showed her and then he
> made her do it and watched her do it to make sure she got it right.  He was
> going to send her with his car to come jump my car, but when he fully
> realized neither of us had jumped a car before, he decided it was better
> that she take her car rather than his lol.  So, she came to rescue me.  I
> knew she had said he showed her what to do, so I asked what he told her so
> that we were on the same page.  I guess he didn't tell her which order to
> put everything on in, just how to do it on her car.  So, we're unwinding and
> straightening out the cables and discussing this, which didn't take that
> long to discuss.  Then we just stood there holding the cables (she was
> holding one set/side, I was holding the other set/side) trying to muster up
> the courage to actually give it a try. We discussed how we didn't want to
> blow up or get electrocuted. Somewhere in there, she got bit by a fire ant.
>  She felt it big time. I thought she had gotten bit before, but she had
> never reacted like that, so she decided she didn't think it had ever been a
> fire ant. So I welcomed her to the south and said that was her Southern
> Initiation lol.  Then we went back to talking about jumping the car.
>
> We finally decided we had stood around enough and it was time to just go
> for it.  There were several comments (while laughing the whole time and
> being deliberately overdramatic) of "it's been nice knowing you," "it was
> fun while it lasted," "you only live once," and "the world is going to end
> anyway someday."  We hooked them up, high fived, took them off, high fived
> again, and laughed about our initial hesitation to hook it up lol.
>
> After that, we hooked up the cables again, I turned the key, the lights
> came on, the glow light went out and the car started.  So we took the cables
> off, in the correct sequence.
>
> How's that for a funny email story? :)
>
> ***END QUOTE
>
>
> After she got the car going, she went to FLAPS, had them test the battery
> again, and found out the battery was good.  After she got home, she figured
> out the POSITIVE cable was loose.   Either she loosened it or the FLAPS
> people loosened it.  After I talked her through checking and tightening the
> cables  before she put on the new Neg cable, I had her take the positive
> terminal off clean and reset it and tighten.  I am pretty sure she did
> actually tighten it.
>
> Oh well!  She figured it out and saved $100+ for a battery, and my old,
> ugly battery lives on.  I thought the story was funny and might entertain
> some here.  Those with young daughters, take note!  Even if the early
> training doesn't stick, having to pay their own bills and clean up their own
> messes brings about change.
>
> I keep telling her she can have her SLK whenever she earns enough to buy
> and maintain one.
>



-- 
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Curt Raymond]

Funny I have the opposite reaction, I prefer a smaller car. For regular 
commuting I prefer my 190D to my 240D.
For camping the trunk space in the 240D wins out hands down...

Once my current 190D runs its course I'm thinking about a Ford Fiesta. Better 
mileage, cheaper fuel, essentially no effort to keep running. I'll probably 
keep an old diesel MB around but for a primary commuter its kind of a PITA to 
have an older car.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:31:14 -0500
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On 23/06/2011 6:19 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Just today a 19 year old was killed in a head-on crash here.  She was
> driving a Chevy Aveo hatchback (a rebadged Daewoo), drifted off the side
> of a two-lane highway, apparently overcorrected and came across into
> oncoming traffic, hit an Audi sedan head-on.
>
> Her car was totally destroyed and as mentioned she was killed.  The Audi
> driver and passenger suffered non life-threatening injuries.
>
> I fear we are going to see more of the same as these tiny low-cost
> import cars become more prevalent.
>

Even Honda Civics scare me. My son's girl friend, my mother, my sister,
my nephew, and my niece, all drive Honda Civics. Good cars, but SMALL
when compared to F250's etc.

The even smaller cars really give me the creeps!

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] AC BLOWS ICE COLD

[Allan Streib]

"Larry"  writes:

> Speaking of AC charging - My '89 Ford Van needed a recharge yearly
> until I asked the tech to install a can of stop leak I offered him.
> I'd bought several stop leak cans ~5 years before and held on to them.
> This was the 1st time I'd had a chance to use it and was surprised to
> learn it works!  I was always suspicious of "mechanic in a can"  but
> this time it worked.  1.5 years and still blowing cold!

That stuff can work if the leak is slow enough that you only need to
recharge once a year.  If you are losing the charge in days or weeks,
the leak is probably too big for a stop-leak product to work.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do...

[Allan Streib]

Randy Bennell  writes:

> So, how do his rates compare with the bigger shops / dealers?
>
> I know of someone here who works out of a big garage behind his
> house. I won't say his rates are cheap but they are a lot less than
> the local dealers on an hourly basis.

It's been a while since I've actually had him do anything for me
actually.  He rates are higher than a franchise shop like Firestone, but
probably a bit less than a domestic dealer.  There are no Mercedes
dealers anywhere near me so I don't know how he compares to them at all.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Fire Extinguisher for Car?

[Allan Streib]

OK Don  writes:

> Carbon Tet was really good at drying out a moisture ridden MG
> distrubutor

My mom had a medecine bottle of carbon tet in the laundry room cabinet
for years.  Had a pharmacy label on it, apparently at some point you
must have been able to buy it there.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/06/2011 5:15 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:


Yeah but, you still gonna see stars if you tangle with an F250 etc.


We need laws for common bumper heights.
If an LN9000 can match bumpers with a 911, why can't a F250?

Totally agree. Bigger pickups etc should have side bars to prevent small 
cars from going under too.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Peter Frederick]

Congratulations!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[WILTON]

'May well be 75 now - haven't into those areas in 35 years, or so.

Wilton

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From: "Randy Bennell" 

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:14 PM
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I am uncertain Wilton. I travel between the US border and Grand Forks ND or 
Fargo ND regularly and it is 75 mph there.  That is why I was assuming it 
likely was between Chicago and Minneapolis.


Randy

On 24/06/2011 5:11 PM, WILTON wrote:

I was thinking the limit is 70.   ;<))

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:07 PM
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Well, 2 things,

1. that is likely only 10 mph over the speed limit.

2. they would have had to catch him first!

Randy

On 24/06/2011 2:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
85 mph?  Wonder if the helper has seen the new TV show, "Arrested in a 
Foreign Country," yet? ;<


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



On 24/06/2011 12:45 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
purpose
That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision 
toward

a trailer, I should think.


Craig



My friend Geoff, that I referred to earlier about buying the motorhome 
in the south last winter and driving it home To Canada, said that he 
was impressed with the mileage.
I am going by memory here and my recollection might not be exactly 
correct but essentially it is that on the leg from Chicago to 
Minneapolis in December or January of this past winter, it did better 
than 10 mpg (US gallon - not Imperial) at 85 mph while dragging his PT 
Cruiser behind on a dolly.
I don't recall exactly what brand it is but it is a 42 foot diesel 
pusher with an 8 point something liter Cummins diesel.  Essentially a 
Greyhound bus with furniture.


Geoff was holding the speed down around 60 mph when he drove but a 
friend who went along to help, drove the Chicago to Minneapolis leg 
while Geoff slept. He only knows how fast they were going because he 
checked the GPS after the fact. He was not truly thrilled that his 
helper had driven that fast in winter, towing a car etc.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:


Yeah but, you still gonna see stars if you tangle with an F250 etc.


We need laws for common bumper heights.
If an LN9000 can match bumpers with a 911, why can't a F250?

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Randy Bennell]

I am uncertain Wilton. I travel between the US border and Grand Forks ND 
or Fargo ND regularly and it is 75 mph there.  That is why I was 
assuming it likely was between Chicago and Minneapolis.


Randy

On 24/06/2011 5:11 PM, WILTON wrote:

I was thinking the limit is 70.   ;<))

Wilton

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Well, 2 things,

1. that is likely only 10 mph over the speed limit.

2. they would have had to catch him first!

Randy

On 24/06/2011 2:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
85 mph?  Wonder if the helper has seen the new TV show, "Arrested in 
a Foreign Country," yet? ;<


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



On 24/06/2011 12:45 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
purpose
That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision 
toward

a trailer, I should think.


Craig



My friend Geoff, that I referred to earlier about buying the 
motorhome in the south last winter and driving it home To Canada, 
said that he was impressed with the mileage.
I am going by memory here and my recollection might not be exactly 
correct but essentially it is that on the leg from Chicago to 
Minneapolis in December or January of this past winter, it did 
better than 10 mpg (US gallon - not Imperial) at 85 mph while 
dragging his PT Cruiser behind on a dolly.
I don't recall exactly what brand it is but it is a 42 foot diesel 
pusher with an 8 point something liter Cummins diesel.  Essentially 
a Greyhound bus with furniture.


Geoff was holding the speed down around 60 mph when he drove but a 
friend who went along to help, drove the Chicago to Minneapolis leg 
while Geoff slept. He only knows how fast they were going because 
he checked the GPS after the fact. He was not truly thrilled that 
his helper had driven that fast in winter, towing a car etc.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[WILTON]

I was thinking the limit is 70.   ;<))

Wilton

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From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



Well, 2 things,

1. that is likely only 10 mph over the speed limit.

2. they would have had to catch him first!

Randy

On 24/06/2011 2:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
85 mph?  Wonder if the helper has seen the new TV show, "Arrested in a 
Foreign Country," yet? ;<


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



On 24/06/2011 12:45 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
purpose
That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision 
toward

a trailer, I should think.


Craig



My friend Geoff, that I referred to earlier about buying the 
motorhome in the south last winter and driving it home To Canada, 
said that he was impressed with the mileage.
I am going by memory here and my recollection might not be exactly 
correct but essentially it is that on the leg from Chicago to 
Minneapolis in December or January of this past winter, it did better 
than 10 mpg (US gallon - not Imperial) at 85 mph while dragging his 
PT Cruiser behind on a dolly.
I don't recall exactly what brand it is but it is a 42 foot diesel 
pusher with an 8 point something liter Cummins diesel.  Essentially a 
Greyhound bus with furniture.


Geoff was holding the speed down around 60 mph when he drove but a 
friend who went along to help, drove the Chicago to Minneapolis leg 
while Geoff slept. He only knows how fast they were going because he 
checked the GPS after the fact. He was not truly thrilled that his 
helper had driven that fast in winter, towing a car etc.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/06/2011 3:28 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Tim C wrote:


I parked the '77 300D next to an Altima the other day.  Shorter,
narrower, ... I realized I have been driving a compact, I guess I can
park in those spaces after all.


And there's no comparison between a first generation Civic and a 
current one. Mine was the heavier hatchback, with the big 1488cc CVCC 
engine and Hondamatic, 1860lb according to the title. I think a 1169cc 
sedan with 4sp was under 1700lb.


NHTSA gives one star front seat crash rating for a 1979 Civic (last of 
the first generation) and five stars for 2001-2011.



Yeah but, you still gonna see stars if you tangle with an F250 etc.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Randy Bennell]

Well, 2 things,

1. that is likely only 10 mph over the speed limit.

2. they would have had to catch him first!

Randy

On 24/06/2011 2:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
85 mph?  Wonder if the helper has seen the new TV show, "Arrested in a 
Foreign Country," yet? ;<


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



On 24/06/2011 12:45 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
purpose
That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision 
toward

a trailer, I should think.


Craig



My friend Geoff, that I referred to earlier about buying the 
motorhome in the south last winter and driving it home To Canada, 
said that he was impressed with the mileage.
I am going by memory here and my recollection might not be exactly 
correct but essentially it is that on the leg from Chicago to 
Minneapolis in December or January of this past winter, it did better 
than 10 mpg (US gallon - not Imperial) at 85 mph while dragging his 
PT Cruiser behind on a dolly.
I don't recall exactly what brand it is but it is a 42 foot diesel 
pusher with an 8 point something liter Cummins diesel.  Essentially a 
Greyhound bus with furniture.


Geoff was holding the speed down around 60 mph when he drove but a 
friend who went along to help, drove the Chicago to Minneapolis leg 
while Geoff slept. He only knows how fast they were going because he 
checked the GPS after the fact. He was not truly thrilled that his 
helper had driven that fast in winter, towing a car etc.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Russ Williams]

Congrats

On 6/24/2011 1:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I'm happy to share some good news!  Janet and I had a son this week!  Sidney
Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz.

One picture lives here for now http://www.sidkop.com/

Mother and son are feeling good and doing well.

In Mercedes related content:  his baby seat just fits in the middle rear
seat of the W124 wagon.  I think I'm going to install some rings to where
the seat belts attach to use the "latch" system.  I don't really like how
the lap belt holds the seat in.  However, the seat fits wonderfully in a
long wheel base W126, confirming that nobody needs a minivan, just a big old
Mercedes.

Now I need to somehow find the time and energy to replace the AC compressor
in the W126.  I'm sure I can it done in the few weeks before I go back to
work!

Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] Camaro with a 4 cylinder

[Kevin Kraly]

I know there will soon be a 5 cylinder Camaro if my friend doesn't wimp out


A 5 cylinder Mercedes Diesel or the GM 3.5L inline 5 cylinder gas engine?

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Gerry Archer]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:47:53 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

I'm happy to share some good news!  Janet and I had a son this week!
Sidney Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz.


Congratulations!
Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Morgages

[Robert Bigham]

Long ago, I read, particularly in Consumer Reports, how credit unions 
are a much better deal for their members, etc.

I tried to put that into practice.  My sad experience is that I always 
could do better at a bank.  That's even before an old friend became 
president of my bank. 

I don't know why, but I do know what.


>  9 and 11. Re: OT - mortgages
 
>Message: 9
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:11:47 -0500
>From: OK Don 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>
>I'd forgotten them. The last time I went to them for a new car loan (1997)
>they were more expensive than a local bank, but it's worth checking.
>Thanks --
>
>On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> Don't forget credit unions, too.
>>
>> Our local CU has very competitive rates and products, not to mention they
>> are very good to work with.
>>
>> After all, we're not just a depositor, we're an owner.
>>
>> We are getting closed to wrapping up a short sale (hopefully!) and have the
>> CU on the hook with everything poised and ready to go.
>>
>> I can call my loan officer directly, ask questions, etc., whenever I want.
>>
>> They are so much easier to work with, not to mention that we pay nothing in
>> fees for our bank accounts, and we even earn interest on them (albeit MIT
>> much these days...)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:17:04 -0400
>From: Dan Penoff 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - mortgages
>
>The rates at our CU are competitive, as well them having an in-house title and 
>real estate group that gives discounted fees to members.
>
>We will save about $1500 on our closing costs due to this.
>
>I did shop around for better terms/rates but didn't find any.
>
>Another nice thing is their ability to offer non-traditional products, such as 
>a 20 year mortgage. I couldn't find any any local banks that would do a 20 
>year note - they would only do a 15 or 30 year note.
>
>Dan
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jun 18, 2011, at 6:11 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>> I'd forgotten them. The last time I went to them for a new car loan (1997)
>> they were more expensive than a local bank, but it's worth checking.
>> Thanks --
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't forget credit unions, too.
>>> 
>>> Our local CU has very competitive rates and products, not to mention they
>>> are very good to work with.
>>> 
>>> After all, we're not just a depositor, we're an owner.
>>> 
>>> We are getting closed to wrapping up a short sale (hopefully!) and have the
>>> CU on the hook with everything poised and ready to go.
>>> 
>>> I can call my loan officer directly, ask questions, etc., whenever I want.
>>> 
>>> They are so much easier to work with, not to mention that we pay nothing in
>>> fees for our bank accounts, and we even earn interest on them (albeit MIT
>>> much these days...)
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] AC BLOWS ICE COLD

[Larry]

Speaking of AC charging - My '89 Ford Van needed a recharge yearly until I 
asked the tech to install a can of stop leak I offered him.  I'd bought 
several stop leak cans ~5 years before and held on to them.  This was the 
1st time I'd had a chance to use it and was surprised to learn it works!  I 
was always suspicious of "mechanic in a can"  but this time it worked.  1.5 
years and still blowing cold!


LarryT
91 300D

-Original Message- 
From: Max Dillon

Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC BLOWS ICE COLD

Excellent!  Did you flush any components or just repair leaks, new drier and
recharge?

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties)
'73 Balboa 20 (High & dry until the head is back on)
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From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 6:28:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] AC BLOWS ICE COLD

96F this afternoon, the 134 converted Mamabenz was BLOWING ICE COLD.  It was
even making condensation on the outside of the windshield at the base above 
the

vents.  I was impressed.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[G Mann]

As long as your leach lines and the leach field of the septic system are not
clogged with roots or "biological waste"... eh... the septic system
should be happy with household water volume.

I would suggest that you quickly go buy some enzyme to put into the septic
system.  Only takes a few spoonfuls in each toilet to start the little bugs
and they grow and eat what is sent down the pipes.  It will make your septic
tank last a long time between pump outs and save you a bunch of trouble.

If the tank hasn't been pumped out for 5 years, and it was a family of 4,
strongly suggest a call to your local guy who does septic pump outs and
start "clean" if there is such a thing in septic world.

Grant...

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote:
>
>> Back in Sept. of '08, we had a discussion about washer lint in septic
>> systems that must have been interesting, since I remembered it. We are
>> going
>> to be moving to a house with well and septic systems, so I'm getting even
>> more interested. I know that the current owners/residents have done
>> nothing
>> with the septic system for the five years they've lived there (all four of
>> them).
>>
>> I'm interested in hearing more about gray water recycling systems that
>> you've built/used. I think it will good to minimize the load on the septic
>> system, and my wife plans to maintain a lot of plants and trees, not to
>> mention the gardens she has in mind.
>> This is in rural Oklahoma with little to no regulation, so those should
>> not
>> be a hurdle to deal with.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> OK Don
>>
>
> Google!
>
> There is a fair amount of information on the net.
>
> This is something that appeals to me as well. My thoughts were more in
> terms of filtering water from the shower and re-using it to flush toilets.
> We live in a city that meters and sells us water and charges us sewer rates
> as well based upon water consumption. I could save $$ if I re-cycled the
> cleaner water.
>
> However, my reading of the subject on the net sort of caused me to hold off
> as the issue of filtering seemed like it might be difficult or expensive.
> The water can become "rancid" (not sure if that would be the correct term).
> My basic thought was a swimming pool filter but that was about as far as I
> got before I backed off. I also suspect that this sort of thing would not
> meet plumbing codes although I see items in the local papers touting the
> idea so it might come to pass that it is OK before long.
>
> I hope others come up with more interesting comments than I have and will
> be happy to read along.
>
> Randy
>
> By the way - where are you moving and why?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Mitch Haley]

Tim C wrote:


I parked the '77 300D next to an Altima the other day.  Shorter,
narrower, ... I realized I have been driving a compact, I guess I can
park in those spaces after all.


And there's no comparison between a first generation Civic and a current one. 
Mine was the heavier hatchback, with the big 1488cc CVCC engine and Hondamatic, 
1860lb according to the title. I think a 1169cc sedan with 4sp was under 1700lb.


NHTSA gives one star front seat crash rating for a 1979 Civic (last of the first 
generation) and five stars for 2001-2011.


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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Max Dillon]

Awesome news, congratulations! Is this baby number one? I'm guessing you 
probably wouldn't be figuring out the car seat thing if this was number two or 
five...

Max
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Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

I'm happy to share some good news! Janet and I had a son this week! Sidney 
Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz. One picture 
lives here for now http://www.sidkop.com/ Mother and son are feeling good and 
doing well. In Mercedes related content: his baby seat just fits in the middle 
rear seat of the W124 wagon. I think I'm going to install some rings to where 
the seat belts attach to use the "latch" system. I don't really like how the 
lap belt holds the seat in. However, the seat fits wonderfully in a long wheel 
base W126, confirming that nobody needs a minivan, just a big old Mercedes. Now 
I need to somehow find the time and energy to replace the AC compressor in the 
W126. I'm sure I can it done in the few weeks before I go back to work! 
Jaime_
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Mitch Haley]

Lee wrote:

The stuff in a septic tank is blackwater.



Yeah, but stuff that used to be graywater got added to it, so it's recycling the 
graywater.
I assume that a little dilution is good for the septic tank, especially now that 
I can't buy a high flow toilet.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Fmiser]

> Rick Knoble wrote:

> I asked a neighbor of mine why he was taking his family on
> vacation using his truck and a pop-up tent trailer, as opposed
> to using a class c motor home he picked up for cheap. He
> explained that when you get to the place where you are going
> to camp, it is truly a pain to pack up the motor home and go
> to the corner store to buy groceries, propane, or whatever.
> With a trailer, you set up the trailer, then if you need
> something, you jump in the truck, or SUV and go. Way less
> hassle.

Conversely, many states won't allow passengers in a moving
trailer, so everyone must buckle down in the tow vehicle.  In a
self-propelled chassis, roaming inside is allowed.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Tim C]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> Even Honda Civics scare me. My son's girl friend, my mother, my sister, my
> nephew, and my niece, all drive Honda Civics. Good cars, but SMALL when
> compared to F250's etc.

I parked the '77 300D next to an Altima the other day.  Shorter,
narrower, ... I realized I have been driving a compact, I guess I can
park in those spaces after all.

-Tim
nonetheless feels relatively safe in it

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Lee]

The stuff in a septic tank is blackwater.

You can also install a "sludgehammer" which will change the breakdown of 
your septic goo to a much cleaner aerobic decomposition and lessen the 
possibility of your blackwater recycling system crapping up your 
leachfield and making you ill.

Randy Bennell wrote:
> On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>> I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and 
>> drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'.
>>
>> _
> Let me suggest having your water tested regularly.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Tim C]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> I'm happy to share some good news!  Janet and I had a son this week!  Sidney
> Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz.

Congratulations! and glad all are well.

> In Mercedes related content:  his baby seat just fits in the middle rear
> seat of the W124 wagon.  I think I'm going to install some rings to where
> the seat belts attach to use the "latch" system.  I don't really like how
> the lap belt holds the seat in.  However, the seat fits wonderfully in a

I -hated- the LATCH in our Fords.  It was weak, couldn't tighten it to
my satisfaction, and all around not that useful.  If you have a
carrier then take the base, put your knee into it, and tighten the
belt - you'll get it such that it won't move without the car, and the
strength of the belt is much more than the little LATCH strings on the
carseat offer.

I did get such that I had the middle belt to an appropriate length in
the Volvo, and just put a lot of force into the seat - but it is a lot
easier with a base, easier enough that I plan to buy one again this
time around.

Anyway, the benefit of LATCH is that it is easier to move around, but
moreso that it is dummy-proof; if you are sufficiently able to figure
out what the dummy might be doing wrong, and avoid it, then it's not
necessarily incrementally useful. :)

> long wheel base W126, confirming that nobody needs a minivan, just a big old
> Mercedes.

I hope so, I'm banking on having 3 (two toddler, one infant) in the
back of the SDL come winter.

> Now I need to somehow find the time and energy to replace the AC compressor
> in the W126.  I'm sure I can it done in the few weeks before I go back to
> work!

Meh, you're in the NE, just keep the windows down.  Didn't Curt
recently tell us AC was making us weak? :)

-Tim
lacks MB AC
owned 6 good Britax toddler car seats at one point

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Re: [MBZ] Camaro with a 4 cylinder

[Walt Zarnoch]

What do you think should go in there?
I'm thinking the 617.95x from an 84 300SD. (we pulled it yesterday in
the middle of a thunderstorm, felt like I jumped in a pool with cloths
on. Was better than when I pulled my engine in 4 inches of snow one
February...)

Walt

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrew strasfogel
 wrote:
> Ask me about the perfect 5 cyl. engine to fit into a Camaro!
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>
>> I know there will soon be a 5 cylinder Camaro if my friend doesn't wimp
>> out...
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>> > Randy Bennell wrote:
>> >
>> >> No wonder they stopped producing Camaros. It must have been a sad day
>> when
>> >> they installed the 1st 4 cylinder engine in one.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Third gen Camaro was a response to high fuel prices and the Fox body
>> > Mustang.
>> > From Wiki:
>> >
>> > The third generation Camaro was produced from 1982 to 1992. These were
>> the
>> > first Camaros to offer modern fuel injection, Turbo-Hydramatic 700R4
>> > four-speed automatic transmissions, five speed manual transmissions, 16
>> inch
>> > wheels, a standard 4-cylinder engine,[8] and hatchback bodies. The cars
>> were
>> > nearly 500 pounds (227 kg) lighter than the second generation model.
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Re: [MBZ] Camaro with a 4 cylinder

[andrew strasfogel]

Ask me about the perfect 5 cyl. engine to fit into a Camaro!

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> I know there will soon be a 5 cylinder Camaro if my friend doesn't wimp
> out...
>
> Walt
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> > Randy Bennell wrote:
> >
> >> No wonder they stopped producing Camaros. It must have been a sad day
> when
> >> they installed the 1st 4 cylinder engine in one.
> >>
> >
> > Third gen Camaro was a response to high fuel prices and the Fox body
> > Mustang.
> > From Wiki:
> >
> > The third generation Camaro was produced from 1982 to 1992. These were
> the
> > first Camaros to offer modern fuel injection, Turbo-Hydramatic 700R4
> > four-speed automatic transmissions, five speed manual transmissions, 16
> inch
> > wheels, a standard 4-cylinder engine,[8] and hatchback bodies. The cars
> were
> > nearly 500 pounds (227 kg) lighter than the second generation model.
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[WILTON]

85 mph?  Wonder if the helper has seen the new TV show, "Arrested in a 
Foreign Country," yet? ;<


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



On 24/06/2011 12:45 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
purpose

That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision toward
a trailer, I should think.


Craig



My friend Geoff, that I referred to earlier about buying the motorhome in 
the south last winter and driving it home To Canada, said that he was 
impressed with the mileage.
I am going by memory here and my recollection might not be exactly correct 
but essentially it is that on the leg from Chicago to Minneapolis in 
December or January of this past winter, it did better than 10 mpg (US 
gallon - not Imperial) at 85 mph while dragging his PT Cruiser behind on a 
dolly.
I don't recall exactly what brand it is but it is a 42 foot diesel pusher 
with an 8 point something liter Cummins diesel.  Essentially a Greyhound 
bus with furniture.


Geoff was holding the speed down around 60 mph when he drove but a friend 
who went along to help, drove the Chicago to Minneapolis leg while Geoff 
slept. He only knows how fast they were going because he checked the GPS 
after the fact. He was not truly thrilled that his helper had driven that 
fast in winter, towing a car etc.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do...

[Tim C]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> Sounds like your radio is back-feeding power from the
> clock circuit to the keyed circuit.  Is this a stock radio?

Yes, Becker Grand Prix.  My son casually mentioned that he thinks I
have another one "just like it", so perhaps we will find it this
weekend and I can try it.  I need to clean up the parts shelf, and the
kids need to clean up the rest of the house... :)

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and 
drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'.


_

 Let me suggest having your water tested regularly.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Mitch Haley]

I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and drainfield 
make up a 'gray water recycling system'.


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Re: [MBZ] Camaro with a 4 cylinder

[Walt Zarnoch]

I know there will soon be a 5 cylinder Camaro if my friend doesn't wimp out...

Walt

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Randy Bennell wrote:
>
>> No wonder they stopped producing Camaros. It must have been a sad day when
>> they installed the 1st 4 cylinder engine in one.
>>
>
> Third gen Camaro was a response to high fuel prices and the Fox body
> Mustang.
> From Wiki:
>
> The third generation Camaro was produced from 1982 to 1992. These were the
> first Camaros to offer modern fuel injection, Turbo-Hydramatic 700R4
> four-speed automatic transmissions, five speed manual transmissions, 16 inch
> wheels, a standard 4-cylinder engine,[8] and hatchback bodies. The cars were
> nearly 500 pounds (227 kg) lighter than the second generation model.
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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Craig]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:47:53 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> I'm happy to share some good news!  Janet and I had a son this week!
> Sidney Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz.

Congratulations!


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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/06/2011 12:45 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
purpose

That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision toward
a trailer, I should think.


Craig



My friend Geoff, that I referred to earlier about buying the motorhome 
in the south last winter and driving it home To Canada, said that he was 
impressed with the mileage.
I am going by memory here and my recollection might not be exactly 
correct but essentially it is that on the leg from Chicago to 
Minneapolis in December or January of this past winter, it did better 
than 10 mpg (US gallon - not Imperial) at 85 mph while dragging his PT 
Cruiser behind on a dolly.
I don't recall exactly what brand it is but it is a 42 foot diesel 
pusher with an 8 point something liter Cummins diesel.  Essentially a 
Greyhound bus with furniture.


Geoff was holding the speed down around 60 mph when he drove but a 
friend who went along to help, drove the Chicago to Minneapolis leg 
while Geoff slept. He only knows how fast they were going because he 
checked the GPS after the fact. He was not truly thrilled that his 
helper had driven that fast in winter, towing a car etc.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/06/2011 11:08 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:



crap.  So really if I was going to go long distances I would be
better off pulling a trailer behind the duramax which would get 15
at least.

I asked a neighbor of mine why he was taking his family on vacation using his 
truck and a pop-up tent
trailer, as opposed to using a class c motor home he picked up for cheap. He 
explained that when you get to
the place where you are going to camp, it is truly a pain to pack up the motor 
home and go to the corner store
to buy groceries, propane, or whatever. With a trailer, you set up the trailer, 
then if you need something, you jump in the truck,
or SUV and go. Way less hassle.

Rick

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That is why you tow the car on the trailer behind the motor home.

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Re: [MBZ] Its baby time

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/06/2011 1:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I'm happy to share some good news!  Janet and I had a son this week!  Sidney
Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz.

One picture lives here for now http://www.sidkop.com/

Mother and son are feeling good and doing well.

In Mercedes related content:  his baby seat just fits in the middle rear
seat of the W124 wagon.  I think I'm going to install some rings to where
the seat belts attach to use the "latch" system.  I don't really like how
the lap belt holds the seat in.  However, the seat fits wonderfully in a
long wheel base W126, confirming that nobody needs a minivan, just a big old
Mercedes.

Now I need to somehow find the time and energy to replace the AC compressor
in the W126.  I'm sure I can it done in the few weeks before I go back to
work!

Jaime
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Marvellous! Enjoy for all it is worth. They grow up quickly. My boys are 
now 26 and 22. I still remember them as happy, chubby babies and 
toddlers but those images are fading. They are both tall and slim - 
taller than me.


Don't let other things get in the way of life at home. I spent several 
years as a leader in Beavers, Cubs and Scouts with both of them. We had 
good times doing that, among other things. We went canoeing and camping etc.


They now have lives of their own and don't always have enough time for 
me (in my opinion) but I think my wife and I did a fine job raising 
them. They are both hard working and productive young fellows.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/06/2011 11:00 PM, OK Don wrote:

Back in Sept. of '08, we had a discussion about washer lint in septic
systems that must have been interesting, since I remembered it. We are going
to be moving to a house with well and septic systems, so I'm getting even
more interested. I know that the current owners/residents have done nothing
with the septic system for the five years they've lived there (all four of
them).

I'm interested in hearing more about gray water recycling systems that
you've built/used. I think it will good to minimize the load on the septic
system, and my wife plans to maintain a lot of plants and trees, not to
mention the gardens she has in mind.
This is in rural Oklahoma with little to no regulation, so those should not
be a hurdle to deal with.

Thanks,
OK Don


Google!

There is a fair amount of information on the net.

This is something that appeals to me as well. My thoughts were more in 
terms of filtering water from the shower and re-using it to flush 
toilets. We live in a city that meters and sells us water and charges us 
sewer rates as well based upon water consumption. I could save $$ if I 
re-cycled the cleaner water.


However, my reading of the subject on the net sort of caused me to hold 
off as the issue of filtering seemed like it might be difficult or 
expensive. The water can become "rancid" (not sure if that would be the 
correct term). My basic thought was a swimming pool filter but that was 
about as far as I got before I backed off. I also suspect that this sort 
of thing would not meet plumbing codes although I see items in the local 
papers touting the idea so it might come to pass that it is OK before long.


I hope others come up with more interesting comments than I have and 
will be happy to read along.


Randy

By the way - where are you moving and why?



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[MBZ] Its baby time

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I'm happy to share some good news!  Janet and I had a son this week!  Sidney
Jacob Kopchinski was born on Wednesday afternoon, 6lbs, 10 oz.

One picture lives here for now http://www.sidkop.com/

Mother and son are feeling good and doing well.

In Mercedes related content:  his baby seat just fits in the middle rear
seat of the W124 wagon.  I think I'm going to install some rings to where
the seat belts attach to use the "latch" system.  I don't really like how
the lap belt holds the seat in.  However, the seat fits wonderfully in a
long wheel base W126, confirming that nobody needs a minivan, just a big old
Mercedes.

Now I need to somehow find the time and energy to replace the AC compressor
in the W126.  I'm sure I can it done in the few weeks before I go back to
work!

Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Mitch Haley]

LWB250 wrote:

I got your motorhome:


http://www.GovDeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=389&acctid=3015


You get an employee discount on those?

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/general-diesel-discussion/59431-3126-cat-motor.html

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[LWB250]

I got your motorhome:


http://www.GovDeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=389&acctid=3015


They have a few others for sale right now, but those have engine issues.  This 
one looks pretty good.

Let me know if you need me to go take a look at it

Dan





From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

Yea plus I just unhook the truck and drive to town

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
>> purpose
> 
> That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision toward
> a trailer, I should think.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea plus I just unhook the truck and drive to town

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
>> purpose
> 
> That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision toward
> a trailer, I should think.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[drcscruggs]

Well,  I think the benefit of the motorhome over the truck camper combo is that 
the trip there in the motorhome is better.  If one is going to be at one spot 
for a longer time then I really believe that a truck trailer is better.  But, 
if one is going to be some where for only a day or two then a motorhome is 
pretty much ready to go in a moments notice.  Also the frige is full 
(hopefully) and the bed is there for passengers to rest while the on the road.  
It beats the heck out of trying to sleep in an auto.  To get better mileage 
then you almost have to have a smaller diesel motorhome.  The 30+ foot jobs by 
in large are not going to get over 10mpg.  The smaller ones can.  You basicly 
have a house going down the highway.  The bigger the house, the heavier and 
hence less mpg.  





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From: Rick Knoble 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:08 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes



> crap.  So really if I was going to go long distances I would be 
 better off pulling a trailer behind the duramax which would get 15 
 at least.
I asked a neighbor of mine why he was taking his family on vacation using his 
ruck and a pop-up tent 
railer, as opposed to using a class c motor home he picked up for cheap. He 
xplained that when you get to 
he place where you are going to camp, it is truly a pain to pack up the motor 
ome and go to the corner store 
o buy groceries, propane, or whatever. With a trailer, you set up the trailer, 
hen if you need something, you jump in the truck, 
r SUV and go. Way less hassle.
Rick
  
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Craig]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:31:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this
> purpose

That's true, but 15 versus 7 mpg should heavily bias the decision toward
a trailer, I should think.


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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well with the big motor homes most people pull a car behind for this purpose

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> 
> 
>> crap.  So really if I was going to go long distances I would be 
>> better off pulling a trailer behind the duramax which would get 15 
>> at least.
> 
> I asked a neighbor of mine why he was taking his family on vacation using his 
> truck and a pop-up tent 
> trailer, as opposed to using a class c motor home he picked up for cheap. He 
> explained that when you get to 
> the place where you are going to camp, it is truly a pain to pack up the 
> motor home and go to the corner store 
> to buy groceries, propane, or whatever. With a trailer, you set up the 
> trailer, then if you need something, you jump in the truck, 
> or SUV and go. Way less hassle.
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I am quite able to improvise, but would rather not spend the time figuring
> it out and bodging it all up, reinventing the test refrigerant system yet
> again.  I promise not to sue you or your spawn.  I've got 134 gauges, a vac
> pump, a propane torch, a coupla old portable propane grills, etc.
>
>

It's too bad straight propane doesn't work as well as
propane+isobutane according to Jim's experiments.  If the former were
the case I bet you could find the parts at McMaster or somewhere to
make an adapter to hook a 1 lb propane bottle directly to the center
connection on the A/C gauge set.  That would be a nice tidy solution.

Or just order some ES-12 and be done with it.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Rick Knoble]

> crap.  So really if I was going to go long distances I would be 
> better off pulling a trailer behind the duramax which would get 15 
> at least.

I asked a neighbor of mine why he was taking his family on vacation using his 
truck and a pop-up tent 
trailer, as opposed to using a class c motor home he picked up for cheap. He 
explained that when you get to 
the place where you are going to camp, it is truly a pain to pack up the motor 
home and go to the corner store 
to buy groceries, propane, or whatever. With a trailer, you set up the trailer, 
then if you need something, you jump in the truck, 
or SUV and go. Way less hassle.

Rick
  
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/06/2011 8:27 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

32' winabago ... Has a 454 gasser... Wonder what kind of mileage


6, maybe 8.

-- Jim




Sounds about right.

A friend has bought 2 motorhomes in 2 years, both from down south - 
North or South Carolina and Florida if I recall.


The first was similar to what you describe. 454 Chevy. He drove it home 
to Winnipeg without much trouble except for some alternator issues.
They used it last summer and decided it was a good addition to the 
family toys.


So, this year he bought another one. Still looking to sell the first 
one. That big gas V8 probably scares most folks away.


The new one, is a 42 footer with a 8 point something liter Cummins 
diesel pusher.


He drove it home from down south in December or January and said it did 
much better on fuel.


If you plan to travel with one, buy a diesel!

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Curt Raymond]

I don't think a school bus will get appreciably better mileage, you'd really 
want a grey dog or the like.

The gold standard for bus conversions is the Victorian RV 
http://steampunkworkshop.com/bus1.shtml

-Curt

Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:26:02 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes
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Definitely.

These things were not designed to be thrifty when it comes to fuel.

As others have said, if you are serious about this, look for a diesel.

Another consideration would be to fond a diesel bus shell and finish (pimp) out 
the interior.

You have the room for one in your back yard

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] safety

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/06/2011 6:19 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Just today a 19 year old was killed in a head-on crash here.  She was
driving a Chevy Aveo hatchback (a rebadged Daewoo), drifted off the side
of a two-lane highway, apparently overcorrected and came across into
oncoming traffic, hit an Audi sedan head-on.

Her car was totally destroyed and as mentioned she was killed.  The Audi
driver and passenger suffered non life-threatening injuries.

I fear we are going to see more of the same as these tiny low-cost
import cars become more prevalent.



Even Honda Civics scare me. My son's girl friend, my mother, my sister, 
my nephew, and my niece, all drive Honda Civics. Good cars, but SMALL 
when compared to F250's etc.


The even smaller cars really give me the creeps!

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do...

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/06/2011 6:11 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Randy Bennell  writes:


There are good people out there. It just is a bit hard to find them.

Often times it is a case of "you get what you pay for."  There is a
local Mercedes indy in my town.  He is excellent, but not cheap.  He is
a one-man shop (his wife does books and answers the phone).  When I've
taken my car there for the occasional job that I was just to busy to get
to myself, I've felt the hit in my checking account but never had to
return to have anything re-done and never felt it was anything other
than top-notch workmanship.  That's worth paying for, IMO.

Allan



So, how do his rates compare with the bigger shops / dealers?

I know of someone here who works out of a big garage behind his house. I 
won't say his rates are cheap but they are a lot less than the local 
dealers on an hourly basis.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Rich Thomas]

There is one of those up the road moldering in some guy's yard.  I 
remember ridin them dogs back when I was a kid, always liked that first 
row of the upper deck.


--R

On 6/24/11 11:06 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

I was thinking about a shell of an old Greyhound Scenicruiser. I seem to recall 
someplace in the Midwest (Cincinnati?) having a business that sold shells and 
rolling chassis.

Dan

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Gilmore  wrote:


At 08:26 AM 6/24/2011, Dan wrote:

 (snip)


Another consideration would be to fond a diesel bus shell and finish (pimp) out 
the interior.

You have the room for one in your back yard

 There are people very much interested in this.  www.busnut.com  is a fun 
place to visit.  So many dreams half done.


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Re: [MBZ] Fire Extinguisher for Car?

[Curt Raymond]

I have one EXACTLY like that in my house, its mounted above the basement stairs 
in about the least convenient place possible...

I bought a couple new ones, mounted one about 8 feet from the old one but at 
the top of the stairs just inside the door where its handy to grab if the 
kitchen is on fire.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:38:30 -0700
From: "Jerry Herrman" 
To: 
Subject: [MBZ] Fire Extinguisher for Car?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


Going through my old boxes, I came across this device that appears to be a 
diminutive automotive fire extinguisher with mounting bracket, possibly a 
rechargeable one. See the attached picture. One of you "senior" guys recognize 
this? It looks too small to be of value in a real fire. When I turn the knob, I 
hear hissing. Given that it is made of brass, it must be from years ago. Would 
look good in my 240D, maybe?  Can someone provide facts about this thing and 
how/when it was used? Doesn't look like it would come from Pep Boys or other 
discount store. More about the old boxes in a later submission.

Jerry
1982 240D
1991 Volvo 240

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Dan Penoff]

I was thinking about a shell of an old Greyhound Scenicruiser. I seem to recall 
someplace in the Midwest (Cincinnati?) having a business that sold shells and 
rolling chassis.

Dan

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> At 08:26 AM 6/24/2011, Dan wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
>> Another consideration would be to fond a diesel bus shell and finish (pimp) 
>> out the interior.
>> 
>> You have the room for one in your back yard
> 
> There are people very much interested in this.  www.busnut.com  is a fun 
> place to visit.  So many dreams half done.
> 
> 
> Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Max Dillon]

Ok, move up to an E or even an S class, idea is a diesel car and tents and 
sleeping bags. 

I spent nearly every summer seeing the country that way, four kids plus mom and 
pop. Some times we even had a car with air conditioning!

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Mitch Haley  wrote:

Max Dillon wrote: > Pack 'em in a 190D, get a tent and a cook stove, get back 
to nature and save a ton of money. If Spencer is out of a child seat, that 
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[drcscruggs]

I also had a 5.9 cummins 1993 gulfstream. It had 190 hp and it got about the 
same mileage.  It was woefully underpowered.  I also had the 4 speed 
transmission vs the 6 speed.  I had a fried that had 5.9 cummins that had 230 
hp with the 6 speed transmission and it got better mileage and had improved 
performance.  The 454 is probably better in some ways than the 190 cummins in 
my opinion (tho it was a pusher and hence quieter).  I would prefer the 230 tho 
over the 454.  The 454 is a good gas motorhome.  I think for the dollar and 
value it would be great.  I agree that the gas mileage difference is not much 
different (if any).  Again, it comes down to how fast you go.  With the 190 you 
can not go over about 60-65 and hard to maintain even 55 over modest hills.  




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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes


For anywhere from the 8-10k range I have seen early 90s like 90-92 
r so about the same size with cummins diesels in them.  I would 
hink that would get much better mileage.
On 6/23/2011 9:23 PM, drcscru...@aol.com wrote:
 I had a 31 foot 454 holiday rambler motorhome with the turbo 400 transmission. 
 
t got about 7-9 miles per gallon.  It really depends on how fast you drive it.  
f you drive about 55 it will get better mileage than if you drive 65-70 (as I 
id often).  I had very little problem with the 454.  I did change out the 
rakes and rotors on it and the parts were cheap.  The parts are pretty much one 
on chevrolet truck parts.  The air conditioner never worked very well so, you 
eed a generator to make sure your roof air conditioners work.  I think 2 AC's 
re best (for southern climes).  I do recommend that you have a gasoline 
enerator vs a propane generator.  It is a pain to have to do both propane and 
asoline at the stops. I would definately check out the engine/trans with 
omeone as the cost to exchange those out equal the cost of the motorhome.  I 
resently have a diesel and love it, but I did pay more than 5k for it.  For 5K 
ou can have a lot of fun if you don't have costly
 mechanical problems.  I will say the 454 was a good runner.




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 Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:28 pm
 Subject: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes


 Anybody know anything about rvs, travel trailers etc?  One of my dealers got a
 94 32? Ft winabago in on trade, can buy for 5k. Has a 454 gasser in it. Wonder
 what kind of mileage it would get? I don't even know how to turn on the power 
o
 the thing. Engine starts right up and runs great.  Seems fancy for the year.

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[David & Kristin Gilmore]

At 08:26 AM 6/24/2011, Dan wrote:

 (snip)

Another consideration would be to fond a diesel bus shell and finish 
(pimp) out the interior.


You have the room for one in your back yard


 There are people very much interested in 
this.  www.busnut.com  is a fun place to visit.  So many dreams half done.



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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Bob Rentfro]

When are you going, Kaleb?

Bob R
On Jun 24, 2011 6:48 AM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Max Dillon wrote:
>> Pack 'em in a 190D, get a tent and a cook stove, get back to nature and
save a ton of money.
>
> If Spencer is out of a child seat, that MIGHT be possible.
> No way you're going to fit two teens and a child seat in the back of a
W201.
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

Pack 'em in a 190D, get a tent and a cook stove, get back to nature and save a 
ton of money.


If Spencer is out of a child seat, that MIGHT be possible.
No way you're going to fit two teens and a child seat in the back of a W201.

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Re: [MBZ] pressure washers

[Scott Ritchey]

And don't let it freeze (with any water inside) next winter.

Scott Ritchey
1982 300SD 230k mi
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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] pressure washers

At the risk of hijacking the thread (too late!) Sta-bil is filth and will,
left to its own devices gum up in about a year.
Seriously, leave a can of it on the shelf for a year and it'll develop
"clots"...

The marine Sta-bil doesn't do that (bought a bottle last year and left it at
camp as an experiment). I haven't tried it yet to see how it does
stabilizing the fuel though.

Best thing to do is run it out of fuel and store it empty, if you can't do
that put in 2oz of SeaFoam gas additive or the fuel stabilizer the POR15
people sell. Both are about 2x the price of Sta-bil but work very well.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:29:00 -0700
From: G Mann 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] pressure washers
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All good points about "bigger is better" if you want to really peel paint
with it.  I presently have a Honda powered  [8 hp] one that puts out 3500
psi at the tip.  It has the quick disconnect tip set which I find very handy
since it allows lots of variation in the washers use.

I also purchased a separate attachment for it that uses water pressure to
blast sand.  Previous sand blasters I've had used air pressure and were
always over tasking the compressors.  At 3500 PSI water pressure , not the
case.  Talk about "power cleaning" !!!
Down to bare metal in seconds.  Obviously, do not use it on sheet metal
parts.

In the past year of use, no problems with the engine or wash pump.  I
suggest that for winter storage you want to use a product called Staybil in
the gas tank which keeps the fuel from turning to varnish, and make sure the
hoses and pump are drained of water if you are above the freeze line.

Bigger cost more money, so the question to be answered is "what do I really
want to use it for"... a smaller unit with 2000 PSI pressure will do a nice
job if you are only washing your car of hosing off the deck, but if you run
mud bogs and have sea gulls on the deck you will need more volume and
pressure, thus more cost.

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Max Dillon]

Pack 'em in a 190D, get a tent and a cook stove, get back to nature and save a 
ton of money.

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
On this motor home deal wife wanting to go to Maine to visit family.  
Flights WAY too high right now so I told her only chance was cross 
country drive in the car.  Then I got to thinking about just getting a 
RV of some sort.  With a trailer we would just all ride in the pickup 
stopping overnight, if it was a motor home, it would probably be more 
comfortable.  Then I did the math driving this 454 mh assuming 7mpg, and 
its close to 2k in fuel just to drive there and back.  So I think that 
rules that out, I might as well fly.  Only chance on a mh would be to 
find a diesel one. maybe even a class c that would probably get better 
mileage.  This would would be fine though for smaller local trips I guess.


A class B Ford diesel or Sprinter would be ideal, but I doubt you'll find one in 
the four digit price range unless you buy a used up cargo van and convert it to 
MH. Seems like almost all the Ford Bs have 4.9s and all the Cs have V10s. A 
friend of mine custom ordered a Ford class B 2-3 years ago and has toured the 
USA and the southern half of Canada in it. She did not pay the extra $5k for the 
diesel.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Dan Penoff]

Definitely.

These things were not designed to be thrifty when it comes to fuel.

As others have said, if you are serious about this, look for a diesel.

Another consideration would be to fond a diesel bus shell and finish (pimp) out 
the interior.

You have the room for one in your back yard

Dan

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On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:13 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> crap.  So really if I was going to go long distances I would be better off 
> pulling a trailer behind the duramax which would get 15 at least.
> 
> On 6/23/2011 7:29 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Single digits with a tailwind. Really.
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:28 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Anybody know anything about rvs, travel trailers etc?  One of my dealers 
>>> got a 94 32? Ft winabago in on trade, can buy for 5k. Has a 454 gasser in 
>>> it. Wonder what kind of mileage it would get? I don't even know how to turn 
>>> on the power to the thing. Engine starts right up and runs great.  Seems 
>>> fancy for the year.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

On this motor home deal wife wanting to go to Maine to visit 
family.  Flights WAY too high right now so I told her only chance 
was cross country drive in the car.  Then I got to thinking about 
just getting a RV of some sort.  With a trailer we would just all 
ride in the pickup stopping overnight, if it was a motor home, it 
would probably be more comfortable.  Then I did the math driving 
this 454 mh assuming 7mpg, and its close to 2k in fuel just to 
drive there and back.  So I think that rules that out, I might as 
well fly.  Only chance on a mh would be to find a diesel one. 
maybe even a class c that would probably get better mileage.  This 
would would be fine though for smaller local trips I guess.


On 6/24/2011 7:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
For anywhere from the 8-10k range I have seen early 90s like 
90-92 or so about the same size with cummins diesels in them.  I 
would think that would get much better mileage.


On 6/23/2011 9:23 PM, drcscru...@aol.com wrote:
I had a 31 foot 454 holiday rambler motorhome with the turbo 
400 transmission.  It got about 7-9 miles per gallon.  It 
really depends on how fast you drive it.  If you drive about 55 
it will get better mileage than if you drive 65-70 (as I did 
often).  I had very little problem with the 454.  I did change 
out the brakes and rotors on it and the parts were cheap.  The 
parts are pretty much one ton chevrolet truck parts.  The air 
conditioner never worked very well so, you need a generator to 
make sure your roof air conditioners work.  I think 2 AC's are 
best (for southern climes).  I do recommend that you have a 
gasoline generator vs a propane generator.  It is a pain to 
have to do both propane and gasoline at the stops. I would 
definately check out the engine/trans with someone as the cost 
to exchange those out equal the cost of the motorhome.  I 
presently have a diesel and love it, but I did pay more than 5k 
for it.  For 5K you can have a lot of fun if you don't have 
costly mechanical problems.  I will say the 454 was a good runner.





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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:28 pm
Subject: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes


Anybody know anything about rvs, travel trailers etc?  One of 
my dealers got a
94 32? Ft winabago in on trade, can buy for 5k. Has a 454 
gasser in it. Wonder
what kind of mileage it would get? I don't even know how to 
turn on the power to
the thing. Engine starts right up and runs great.  Seems fancy 
for the year.


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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating...

[Tim C]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> Before taking that diagnosis stop the engine and feel the radiator
> behind the fan.  It better not be cool, else the radiator is
> probably clogged and the fan is doing what it is supposed to.
> The heat from the radiator has to heat up the clutch first
> before it'll couple.  Yes, I personally have wasted money on
> a new fan clutch when it was not the problem, and they're not
> cheap enough to not care.

Good call, will endeavor to provoke it again and check.  Thanks!
-Tim
though hopefully not at the Babies-R-Us, that is a crazy store

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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its a Winnebago, its got the big truck type tires on it like you 
sould see on a school bus.


On 6/23/2011 7:49 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


What's the chassis, is it Winnebago or is it Chevy P30?
I'm guessing it's a P30 bread van with a hugely extended frame 
and a flimsy camper shell on top.
Didn't somebody here, like Poos, widely insult the overall 
quality of Winnebago camper shells, interiors, etc?


Around here, you could probably sell a decent '94 Class A for 
$5k after using it for the summer. (unless prices have suffered 
since last year, fuel costs might scare away the buyers)


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 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

For anywhere from the 8-10k range I have seen early 90s like 90-92 
or so about the same size with cummins diesels in them.  I would 
think that would get much better mileage.


On 6/23/2011 9:23 PM, drcscru...@aol.com wrote:

I had a 31 foot 454 holiday rambler motorhome with the turbo 400 transmission.  
It got about 7-9 miles per gallon.  It really depends on how fast you drive it. 
 If you drive about 55 it will get better mileage than if you drive 65-70 (as I 
did often).  I had very little problem with the 454.  I did change out the 
brakes and rotors on it and the parts were cheap.  The parts are pretty much 
one ton chevrolet truck parts.  The air conditioner never worked very well so, 
you need a generator to make sure your roof air conditioners work.  I think 2 
AC's are best (for southern climes).  I do recommend that you have a gasoline 
generator vs a propane generator.  It is a pain to have to do both propane and 
gasoline at the stops. I would definately check out the engine/trans with 
someone as the cost to exchange those out equal the cost of the motorhome.  I 
presently have a diesel and love it, but I did pay more than 5k for it.  For 5K 
you can have a lot of fun if you don't have costly mechanical problems.  I will 
say the 454 was a good runner.




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From: Kaleb C. Striplin
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Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:28 pm
Subject: [MBZ] Ot motorhomes


Anybody know anything about rvs, travel trailers etc?  One of my dealers got a
94 32? Ft winabago in on trade, can buy for 5k. Has a 454 gasser in it. Wonder
what kind of mileage it would get? I don't even know how to turn on the power to
the thing. Engine starts right up and runs great.  Seems fancy for the year.

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 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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