[MBZ] tires on mercedes list
roger i'm in athens, ga i'd run the old tires if they are cheap and you get talked out of using them, i'll buy them thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electric transport
Hans Neureiter wrote: Hydrogene/fuel cells have been tested and performed at or below cost of fossile fuels. Fmiser wrote: Hydrogen fuel cell is just a mechanical battery. I think it's not a bad idea, but trying to sell it as a zero emission fuel is silly. The hydrogen is made by using electricity - and it's not super efficient. Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: But hydrogen is not an energy source, but merely an energy storage medium. By that I mean that it takes energy to make the hydrogen. So where does that energy come from? Yup. That's why I called it a battery. It is a way to transport the energy. But I guess technically so is oil. Just the energy it's contains is either from long dead plants or not-so-long dead plants. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Great responses, couldn't have said it better, but I'm sceptical that Andrew can be reasoned with on this issue. Thanks, -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mea culpa (was Andrew and global warming)
Oops, that was meant to be sent privately. My apologies Andrew. I would be happy to buy you two beverages of your choice next time I make it to WDC, you name the location. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electric transport
I admit being wrong. That leaves only gravity, wind and sun as truly green energy sources. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: But hydrogen is not an energy source, but merely an energy storage medium. By that I mean that it takes energy to make the hydrogen. So where does that energy come from? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric transport Hans Neureiter wrote: Hydrogene/fuel cells have been tested and performed at or below cost of fossile fuels. Hydrogen fuel cell is just a mechanical battery. I think it's not a bad idea, but trying to sell it as a zero emission fuel is silly. The hydrogen is made by using electricity - and it's not super efficient. But it has the ability for the user to pump a liquid charge means it could replace a gasoline or diesel in it's ability to get a full recharge in minutes. I sure don't want to take even a 2 hour stop to re-fuel. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
Well, there were several Ice Ages in the past. I am sure they werent man made. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Greenland was once green, when the Vikings settled there. Then it got cold and they had to leave. So what's the temp supposed to be, anyway? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT global warming Global warming is real, scientifically proven, and quite scary when you think about it (especially if you have kids). Political hyperbole - no matter how comforting to believe - won't make it go away. P.S. I thought poitics was off limits. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Even when mankind is not responsible for the changing climate, like they never have been for eons, including the Medieval Warm Period when it was much warmer than it is today. Amen. Global warming is simply the current scare tactic of the left. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire Age
If the were free,I'd pass. 1) Rubber deteriorates with age, irregardless of use. 5 years is the recommended limit. 2) They are probably radials and become rotationally biased once mounted and used. Unless the are marked as for direction of rotation you never know how they went on. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:35 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Fellow listers, I come to you with a safety question to seek your collective advice. I need a set of tires for my 80 300SD. It only gets driven 5-6K miles per year now. I have the opportunity to buy a set of Michelin Energy MXV4 tires. The tires have about 95% tread remaining and look like new. However, their production date is 0802 which puts them in the 8th week of 2002. Now they show no signs of tire rot and have been stored inside since removed from an SL. What do you guys think? Buy or pass due to age? Thanks and best wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Jim Cathey wrote: No voltage == heat, +12V == no heat. PWM (in the seconds timeframe) for in between. Do you mean that duty cycle is measured with s stopwatch, not with a dwell meter? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
I believe a dwell meter would give you an average of the duty cycle, so you would see as it increased or decreased. Essentially, the signal is a square wave with the time being varied to control the flow of coolant through the valve. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: No voltage == heat, +12V == no heat. PWM (in the seconds timeframe) for in between. Do you mean that duty cycle is measured with s stopwatch, not with a dwell meter? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electric transport
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: That leaves only gravity, wind and sun as truly green energy sources. Ultimately all our energy here on earth comes from the sun, excepting that derived from nuclear or geothermal sources. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire Age
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: 2) They are probably radials and become rotationally biased once mounted and used. Unless the are marked as for direction of rotation you never know how they went on. I thought that modern radials didn't have this problem anymore. Tire shops tell me I don't have to limit rotation to front/back on the same side as except for certain high performance tread patterns, rotation doesn't matter. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Corvair
Walt, Sorry! I meant to respond to Dave and apparently had a senior moment. Again, sorry for the confusion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
I don't know about all the current scientific data in relation to global warming. When I was young and in school, we were taught that the earth was still coming out of the last ice age which meant it was getting warmer, little by little, and would continue until the earth cycled back into it's next ice age. Personally, I think that mostly explains the current warming, maybe a bit simplistic, but then I like things simple. Maybe humans are adding a little, but not the primary root cause. As to the poles and ice caps melting, the earth's poles and magnetic fields are supposedly trying to flip again. Several years ago there was a buried science article about how the magnetic poles are trying to flip and in the process there are areas of weakening and strengthening magnetic fields. One of the characteristics of the weakening magnetic areas is to let in more of the Sun's rays which will cause more cases of skin cancer. And it would stand to reason, areas that are warmer. Since there is nothing that can be done about this (any more than something can be done about stopping the earth's ice age cycle), it is not discussed in the press because why create panic in the public. This article showed a map that showed where the magnetic fields were changing as measured via satellite. Now, I'm sure there are smarter scientist members on this list, so what is your opinion? I'm just a general college educated member of the masses with no specific scientific skills. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning windows
I am not sure where I got it from but had to use MS essentials again this week! But yes. Though the only indication I have trouble is when I see mail to here that I did not send! Douglas -Original Message- From: Rick Knoble Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning windows From: jgi...@comcast.net When I got my first car '66 Dodge Charger I used a product called glass wax. I bought it at a grocery store. The same thing is being sold as Gel Gloss. http://gel-gloss.com/index.php?pageId=354 Looks like good stuff. Did you ever rid your computer/email of that bug? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stuped CL of the day.
http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/2680490423.html CDL 239, Its out of a 2002 genset. Its a REman engine. Its all down to bare block, Theres 90% of the parts there you will need. It doest have injectors, didnt when i got it. It has a turbo. The crank and cam looked brand new. No wear. Measure them yourself. Main bearings were not wear at all. The motor wonted turn over when i got it. The impeller on the water pump had fell apart, and the people before me put a new one on it and didnt pick the peaces out of the oil filler housing and Number 4 piston scoffed and seased. All parts have been in my room. No rust. This is not a compete motor. Its all ready to go to the machine shop. I dont want to sell. and wont deal with stuped people. Brian (208) 946-7496 No txts thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
It was green for a few miles around the coastline and getting greener when I was there in '78. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT global warming Greenland was once green, when the Vikings settled there. Then it got cold and they had to leave. So what's the temp supposed to be, anyway? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT global warming Global warming is real, scientifically proven, and quite scary when you think about it (especially if you have kids). Political hyperbole - no matter how comforting to believe - won't make it go away. P.S. I thought poitics was off limits. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Even when mankind is not responsible for the changing climate, like they never have been for eons, including the Medieval Warm Period when it was much warmer than it is today. Amen. Global warming is simply the current scare tactic of the left. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] U.S. Nears Milestone: Net Fuel Exporter
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203441704577068670488306242.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204452104577059830626002226.html?mod=most_emailed_week http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066183761315576.html?mod=most_emailed_week --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stuped CL of the day.
Than y did u putt it on craggslist? --R On 12/1/11 9:01 AM, r...@winmutt.com wrote: I dont want to sell. and wont deal with stuped people. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stuped CL of the day.
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:01:01 -0500 r...@winmutt.com wrote: http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/2680490423.html The impeller on the water pump had fell apart, and the people before me put a new one on it and didnt pick the peaces out of the oil filler housing and Number 4 piston scoffed and seased. And how did pieces of the water pump impeller get from the water of the cooling system to the oil of the lubrication system? You are right, it's rather stuped. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Do you mean that duty cycle is measured with s stopwatch, not with a dwell meter? Neither, I think. It's right at that in-between stage where a regular meter can't really keep up, yet is too slow for the typical (?) dwell meter. I found that a 12V test lamp worked perfectly. Just watch it blink on and off. The fast-reacting analog gauge on a Fluke DMM tracked it OK, but wasn't nearly as easy to keep track of as the lamp. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stuped CL of the day.
'Can't even deal with himself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stuped CL of the day. On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:01:01 -0500 r...@winmutt.com wrote: http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/2680490423.html The impeller on the water pump had fell apart, and the people before me put a new one on it and didnt pick the peaces out of the oil filler housing and Number 4 piston scoffed and seased. And how did pieces of the water pump impeller get from the water of the cooling system to the oil of the lubrication system? You are right, it's rather stuped. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stuped CL of the day.
He's not stuped, just ask him. Mike On Dec 1, 2011 10:00 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Can't even deal with himself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stuped CL of the day. On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:01:01 -0500 r...@winmutt.com wrote: http://spokane.craigslist.org/**pts/2680490423.htmlhttp://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/2680490423.html The impeller on the water pump had fell apart, and the people before me put a new one on it and didnt pick the peaces out of the oil filler housing and Number 4 piston scoffed and seased. And how did pieces of the water pump impeller get from the water of the cooling system to the oil of the lubrication system? You are right, it's rather stuped. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT for old laptop geeks
So how do I get these wondrous softwares on these machines? The old Tpad has a non-bootable CDROM and a 1.44 floppy drive I guess it would boot from, it is somewhat flaky now booting from the HD as it seems to be finding a corrupt driver sometimes. The Compaq might or might not boot from the CD, not sure. Neither has a USB but they do have network connections. Can I get a dual-boot option for the winders flavor/*nix or is it one or the other? If I download the software from the net is there then an install procedure for it? I am a noob on *nix but willing to follow directions (if understandable to a noob). Tell me what to do and I will be dangerous! I was looking up info on the Antix and one of the pages kept blowing up Firefox on the iMac when I tried to close the tab, interesting. The pages I looked at all kinda started with now that you have *nix on the machine --R On 12/1/11 12:34 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Yep, keep it light, and it'll romp circles around other stuff. I run LXDE on my laptop, but may swap back to XFCE4 in the future. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 12:23 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Thomas writes: I just fired up an old Thinkpad (early 96 vintage, with Win98 [?], 486 with 36MB RAM) and a Compaq laptop LTE 5400 ( Win95, 96 vintage, 80MB RAM), both have docking stations and CD drives. So these things work, more or less, I am wondering what I could do with them at this point that would take advantage of their vast capabilities. Any ideas? What flavor of linux would be best to try to put on them to get them to Do Something? Allan Streib wrote: The killer on that old a machine is going to be running X11. X isn't too bad. It's the likes of Gnome, KDE, and all the modern, hungry programs. Don't run Firefox, the Gimp, Adobe Acrobat, etc and even X does okay. If you can do without the GUI they can be surprisingly usable. OpenBSD can be a decent choice on older hardware. I think any of the *nix can do alright - so long as the distribution allows you to NOT install the big boys. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT for old laptop geeks
Iirc arch still has a boot floppy you can use, that will search for the cd drive and load from it. There may also be a netinstall floppy, can't remember. When I have some more spare time I'll do some digging and see if I can find any more info for you. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So how do I get these wondrous softwares on these machines? The old Tpad has a non-bootable CDROM and a 1.44 floppy drive I guess it would boot from, it is somewhat flaky now booting from the HD as it seems to be finding a corrupt driver sometimes. The Compaq might or might not boot from the CD, not sure. Neither has a USB but they do have network connections. Can I get a dual-boot option for the winders flavor/*nix or is it one or the other? If I download the software from the net is there then an install procedure for it? I am a noob on *nix but willing to follow directions (if understandable to a noob). Tell me what to do and I will be dangerous! I was looking up info on the Antix and one of the pages kept blowing up Firefox on the iMac when I tried to close the tab, interesting. The pages I looked at all kinda started with now that you have *nix on the machine --R On 12/1/11 12:34 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Yep, keep it light, and it'll romp circles around other stuff. I run LXDE on my laptop, but may swap back to XFCE4 in the future. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 12:23 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Thomas writes: I just fired up an old Thinkpad (early 96 vintage, with Win98 [?], 486 with 36MB RAM) and a Compaq laptop LTE 5400 ( Win95, 96 vintage, 80MB RAM), both have docking stations and CD drives. So these things work, more or less, I am wondering what I could do with them at this point that would take advantage of their vast capabilities. Any ideas? What flavor of linux would be best to try to put on them to get them to Do Something? Allan Streib wrote: The killer on that old a machine is going to be running X11. X isn't too bad. It's the likes of Gnome, KDE, and all the modern, hungry programs. Don't run Firefox, the Gimp, Adobe Acrobat, etc and even X does okay. If you can do without the GUI they can be surprisingly usable. OpenBSD can be a decent choice on older hardware. I think any of the *nix can do alright - so long as the distribution allows you to NOT install the big boys. -- Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT for old laptop geeks
Here you go, follow the instructions here, and you should have a floppy that allows a generic CD boot. I used it back in 2K5 when I was first starting with *nix and it worked fine. You of course get the luxury of nicely laid out instructions! ;) Walt On Dec 1, 2011 10:36 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Iirc arch still has a boot floppy you can use, that will search for the cd drive and load from it. There may also be a netinstall floppy, can't remember. When I have some more spare time I'll do some digging and see if I can find any more info for you. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So how do I get these wondrous softwares on these machines? The old Tpad has a non-bootable CDROM and a 1.44 floppy drive I guess it would boot from, it is somewhat flaky now booting from the HD as it seems to be finding a corrupt driver sometimes. The Compaq might or might not boot from the CD, not sure. Neither has a USB but they do have network connections. Can I get a dual-boot option for the winders flavor/*nix or is it one or the other? If I download the software from the net is there then an install procedure for it? I am a noob on *nix but willing to follow directions (if understandable to a noob). Tell me what to do and I will be dangerous! I was looking up info on the Antix and one of the pages kept blowing up Firefox on the iMac when I tried to close the tab, interesting. The pages I looked at all kinda started with now that you have *nix on the machine --R On 12/1/11 12:34 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Yep, keep it light, and it'll romp circles around other stuff. I run LXDE on my laptop, but may swap back to XFCE4 in the future. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 12:23 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Thomas writes: I just fired up an old Thinkpad (early 96 vintage, with Win98 [?], 486 with 36MB RAM) and a Compaq laptop LTE 5400 ( Win95, 96 vintage, 80MB RAM), both have docking stations and CD drives. So these things work, more or less, I am wondering what I could do with them at this point that would take advantage of their vast capabilities. Any ideas? What flavor of linux would be best to try to put on them to get them to Do Something? Allan Streib wrote: The killer on that old a machine is going to be running X11. X isn't too bad. It's the likes of Gnome, KDE, and all the modern, hungry programs. Don't run Firefox, the Gimp, Adobe Acrobat, etc and even X does okay. If you can do without the GUI they can be surprisingly usable. OpenBSD can be a decent choice on older hardware. I think any of the *nix can do alright - so long as the distribution allows you to NOT install the big boys. -- Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT for old laptop geeks
Forgot the link... http://ftp.lanet.lv/ftp/mirror/Slackware/isolinux/sbootmgr/ Walt On Dec 1, 2011 10:43 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go, follow the instructions here, and you should have a floppy that allows a generic CD boot. I used it back in 2K5 when I was first starting with *nix and it worked fine. You of course get the luxury of nicely laid out instructions! ;) Walt On Dec 1, 2011 10:36 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Iirc arch still has a boot floppy you can use, that will search for the cd drive and load from it. There may also be a netinstall floppy, can't remember. When I have some more spare time I'll do some digging and see if I can find any more info for you. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So how do I get these wondrous softwares on these machines? The old Tpad has a non-bootable CDROM and a 1.44 floppy drive I guess it would boot from, it is somewhat flaky now booting from the HD as it seems to be finding a corrupt driver sometimes. The Compaq might or might not boot from the CD, not sure. Neither has a USB but they do have network connections. Can I get a dual-boot option for the winders flavor/*nix or is it one or the other? If I download the software from the net is there then an install procedure for it? I am a noob on *nix but willing to follow directions (if understandable to a noob). Tell me what to do and I will be dangerous! I was looking up info on the Antix and one of the pages kept blowing up Firefox on the iMac when I tried to close the tab, interesting. The pages I looked at all kinda started with now that you have *nix on the machine --R On 12/1/11 12:34 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Yep, keep it light, and it'll romp circles around other stuff. I run LXDE on my laptop, but may swap back to XFCE4 in the future. Walt On Dec 1, 2011 12:23 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Thomas writes: I just fired up an old Thinkpad (early 96 vintage, with Win98 [?], 486 with 36MB RAM) and a Compaq laptop LTE 5400 ( Win95, 96 vintage, 80MB RAM), both have docking stations and CD drives. So these things work, more or less, I am wondering what I could do with them at this point that would take advantage of their vast capabilities. Any ideas? What flavor of linux would be best to try to put on them to get them to Do Something? Allan Streib wrote: The killer on that old a machine is going to be running X11. X isn't too bad. It's the likes of Gnome, KDE, and all the modern, hungry programs. Don't run Firefox, the Gimp, Adobe Acrobat, etc and even X does okay. If you can do without the GUI they can be surprisingly usable. OpenBSD can be a decent choice on older hardware. I think any of the *nix can do alright - so long as the distribution allows you to NOT install the big boys. -- Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
I beg to differ. I am way more open minded than the troglodytes who refuse to see the light of day! On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Great responses, couldn't have said it better, but I'm sceptical that Andrew can be reasoned with on this issue. Thanks, -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mea culpa (was Andrew and global warming)
No offense taken. We are pretty civil around here. Agreeing to disagree on political stuff without conjuring visions of armageddon proves we are way more envolved than most congression people. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oops, that was meant to be sent privately. My apologies Andrew. I would be happy to buy you two beverages of your choice next time I make it to WDC, you name the location. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
I was quite skeptical about H2 until I visited NREL last summer and saw a hydrogen fuel celled vehicle first hand . I first saw one being driven by the local MBCA section president Bill Hopper. It was a Mercedes H2 fuel cell powered vehicle that was beyond cool. Now I am beginning to think they may eventually become a practical alternative. Watch the video. http://energy.aol.com/2011/11/29/national-renewable-energy-lab-isolates-hydrogen-for-power/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
andrew strasfogel wrote: I was quite skeptical about H2 until I visited NREL last summer and saw a hydrogen fuel celled vehicle first hand . I first saw one being driven by the local MBCA section president Bill Hopper. It was a Mercedes H2 fuel cell powered vehicle that was beyond cool. Now I am beginning to think they may eventually become a practical alternative. Yes, you can run an electric car on a hydrogen fuel cell, and it will weigh less than an electric car of similar range with wet cell storage batteries. The problem is refueling it when the factory fill of hydrogen runs out. And I expect that to remain a problem for a long time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
I won't believe either of the warming or cooling farces until either Greenland is once again all green, or glaciers cover the middle USA from Kansas north. The earth was designed to manage its own climate and is doing fine. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (319,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 11/30/2011 1:43 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Global warming is real, scientifically proven, and quite scary when you think about it (especially if you have kids). Political hyperbole - no matter how comforting to believe - won't make it go away. P.S. I thought poitics was off limits. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: Even when mankind is not responsible for the changing climate, like they never have been for eons, including the Medieval Warm Period when it was much warmer than it is today. Amen. Global warming is simply the current scare tactic of the left. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Ashamed to say i've never changed coolant on any of my M-Bs; always had my indy do it. Need to do the '87 300D now. I seem to remember there's something tricky about getting the whole system (block, radiator, heater core, etc.) to stay open all at once so as to do a full flush. (Specially modified thermostat?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Ashamed to say i've never changed coolant on any of my M-Bs; always had my indy do it. Need to do the '87 300D now. I seem to remember there's something tricky about getting the whole system (block, radiator, heater core, etc.) to stay open all at once so as to do a full flush. (Specially modified thermostat?) If you flush the system, you'll need the modified t-stat to circulate the flushing fluid (detergent or citric acid). If you want to change it all, you'll need to open the block drain. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
On Dec 1, 2011 6:51 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: slow for the typical (?) dwell meter. I found that a 12V test lamp worked perfectly. Just watch it blink on and off. But a 'scope is so much more fun! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
No tricks here, just open the drain and take the cap off. After the system drains, I always pull the thermostat cover and pull the thermostat, put the cover back on and flush the bejesus out if the system with a garden hose in the top radiator hose. I'll also close everything up a few times and run the engine with the heater on full blast to be sure and get everything out of the heater core. There were a few times I got adventuresome and pulled the block drain plug, but that isn't totally necessary and can be a major undertaking in some models. Just use common sense and accept the fact that no matter how hard you try, you'll never totally flush the system. Oh - be sure to fill with premix, not 100% AF. That way you're sure to have the throw (ratio) pretty darned close. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Ashamed to say i've never changed coolant on any of my M-Bs; always had my indy do it. Need to do the '87 300D now. I seem to remember there's something tricky about getting the whole system (block, radiator, heater core, etc.) to stay open all at once so as to do a full flush. (Specially modified thermostat?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Ashamed to say i've never changed coolant on any of my M-Bs; always had my indy do it. Need to do the '87 300D now. I seem to remember there's something tricky about getting the whole system (block, radiator, heater core, etc.) to stay open all at once so as to do a full flush. (Specially modified thermostat?) If you flush the system, you'll need the modified t-stat to circulate the flushing fluid (detergent or citric acid). If you want to change it all, you'll need to open the block drain. Mitch. __ I used a old t-stat wedged open with a piece of plastic. I also used a piece of T pipe with a garden hose fitting spliced into the top radiator hose. Ran the citric acid solution for the prescribed time, then, with engine running, pressurized the garden house, opened the block drain and the radiator drain, and kept adding fresh water at the top until clear water ran from the bottom. Next time I'll taste a drop to be sure it's clean water. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Volcan Tungurahua in Ecuador is erupting again. We stayed in Banos (actually up on the slope of the volcano, at Luna Runtun, at the base of the volcano, at Christmas 2 years ago. It was venting a bit when we were there. Banos and other towns in the vicinity are being evacuated. It is a beautiful area, with lots of excitement! The people there seem to roll with it, even though it periodically wipes out their farms and towns. (The) eruption of Tungurahua volcano created large clouds of gas and ash above the summit and it's directed towards the southeast and the west, near city of Banos. Ash cloud up to 4 kilometers in the sky and pyroclastic flows approximately one kilometer down the volcano flank could be seen on Tuesday. http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/12/01/tungurahua-volcano-begins-to-erupt-ecuado/ http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/12/01/tungurahua-volcano-begins-to-erupt-ecuado/ We need to get the UN to put an emissions tax on all these volcanoes -- Bad Gaia BAD!!! --R On 12/1/11 10:54 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I beg to differ. I am way more open minded than the troglodytes who refuse to see the light of day! On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Great responses, couldn't have said it better, but I'm sceptical that Andrew can be reasoned with on this issue. Thanks, -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
On Dec 1, 2011 10:42 AM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I used a old t-stat wedged open with a piece of plastic. That's what I had half-remembered from reading about the procedure before! What is the purpose of the jammed-open termostat? Why can't you just remove it as with other cars? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
I heard the stats for Kilauea once. I wish I could remember, but is an incredible amount. When Mt. Penetubo blew, I heard that stats on that one. I think it was something like in one day, that volcano emitted more sulphur, ash, lead, etc. (you pick the pollutant) than the total emissions of every vehicle ever made. Volcan Tungurahua in Ecuador is erupting again. We stayed in Banos (actually up on the slope of the volcano, at Luna Runtun, at the base of the volcano, at Christmas 2 years ago. It was venting a bit when we were there. Banos and other towns in the vicinity are being evacuated. It is a beautiful area, with lots of excitement! The people there seem to roll with it, even though it periodically wipes out their farms and towns. (The) eruption of Tungurahua volcano created large clouds of gas and ash above the summit and it's directed towards the southeast and the west, near city of Banos. Ash cloud up to 4 kilometers in the sky and pyroclastic flows approximately one kilometer down the volcano flank could be seen on Tuesday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: That's what I had half-remembered from reading about the procedure before! What is the purpose of the jammed-open termostat? Why can't you just remove it as with other cars? On most cars, the T-stat functions as an on-off valve. On MBZ, at least the older ones I've owned, it sends the water to the radiator or to the bypass. If you want the water to flush the radiator, you need the blocked open T-stat to close off the bypass circuit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Dan Penoff wrote: After the system drains, I always pull the thermostat cover and pull the thermostat, put the cover back on Max wrote: I used a old t-stat wedged open with a piece of plastic. Alex Chamberlain wrote: That's what I had half-remembered from reading about the procedure before! What is the purpose of the jammed-open termostat? Why can't you just remove it as with other cars? The thermostat is single-pole, double-throw switch. That is, when it gets hot it opens the route to the radiator and simultaneously closes the bypass. If you don't use a forced-open thermostat, the easy route for the flush water is through the bypass rather than through the radiator or engine block. With a force-closed thermostat, the flush water is required to go through both. I used a short piece of brake line. I cut it lengthwise down the side, spread it open, put it around the center shaft of the thermostat, and then squeezed it closed. I suppose this could be a temporary alteration to a working thermostat, but I used an old one that I keep in modified form just to be used as a tool. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
So if mankind disappeared from the planet overnight along with all our greenhouse gas emitting activities, are you saying the polar ice caps would continue to melt, ocean levels would continue to rise, and average temperatures would continue their inexorable upward momentum for the next 50 to 100 years because of Mt. Pinatubo and other natural disasters? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I heard the stats for Kilauea once. I wish I could remember, but is an incredible amount. When Mt. Penetubo blew, I heard that stats on that one. I think it was something like in one day, that volcano emitted more sulphur, ash, lead, etc. (you pick the pollutant) than the total emissions of every vehicle ever made. Volcan Tungurahua in Ecuador is erupting again. We stayed in Banos (actually up on the slope of the volcano, at Luna Runtun, at the base of the volcano, at Christmas 2 years ago. It was venting a bit when we were there. Banos and other towns in the vicinity are being evacuated. It is a beautiful area, with lots of excitement! The people there seem to roll with it, even though it periodically wipes out their farms and towns. (The) eruption of Tungurahua volcano created large clouds of gas and ash above the summit and it's directed towards the southeast and the west, near city of Banos. Ash cloud up to 4 kilometers in the sky and pyroclastic flows approximately one kilometer down the volcano flank could be seen on Tuesday. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
Unfortunately nations and people are not so well designed nor resilient. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I won't believe either of the warming or cooling farces until either Greenland is once again all green, or glaciers cover the middle USA from Kansas north. The earth was designed to manage its own climate and is doing fine. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (319,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 11/30/2011 1:43 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Global warming is real, scientifically proven, and quite scary when you think about it (especially if you have kids). Political hyperbole - no matter how comforting to believe - won't make it go away. P.S. I thought poitics was off limits. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: Even when mankind is not responsible for the changing climate, like they never have been for eons, including the Medieval Warm Period when it was much warmer than it is today. Amen. Global warming is simply the current scare tactic of the left. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Dan Penoff wrote: Oh - be sure to fill with premix, not 100% AF. That way you're sure to have the throw (ratio) pretty darned close. If I've got clean water in there from flushing, I add straight AF equal to 50-60% of system capacity and top it off with water. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Warmists and global warming
Well the climate scientists should run that scenario in their models, account for the occasional (which of late seems to be more frequent than occasional) volcano eruptions injecting huge amounts of stuff in the atmosphere. And old Mr. Sun too, don't forget old Mr. Sun has been acting up a bit lately too (and other planets appear to be wait for it warming too!). Unfortunately the technology/science just ain't there yet. The problem here is not whether or not the premise is true or false; rather, it is whether the modeling and data are sufficiently accurate to actually make the projections on which all the hoohah is based on. Factor in the big money involved for research and political actions, and the recent revelations about the process for all these pronouncements, and the whole thing becomes a bit dubious to many people (many of whom are smart enough and sufficiently knowledgeable to opine on the physics of the matter). I could probably dig into it all and educate myself sufficiently to make some sort of reasoned judgment, but why bother when the surrounding political aspects make it minimally interesting to do so as all that seems to be the overriding aspect (surprise!). There might be something to it all, but taking away my truck while the rest of the world wants them too (and air conditioning and washing machines!) just ain't gonna do one bit of good. Go work on the Chinese and the Indians, then get back to me after you get them organized. (Hint: They will say tink you berry mooch and go about their business.) But if you are a Warmist, then that is your right, and you can hand-wring over it all you want. You can even send money to Algore if you want. Sorta like debating which religion is better or true based on various observations about human behavior and nature and such. Although I do like the idea of becoming a climate expert and flying off here and there in first class, staying at some nice hotels, and eating some good food and drinking some good wine all the while telling the rich to send me some mo' money. I should get back in the consulting business... --R On 12/1/11 4:43 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: So if mankind disappeared from the planet overnight along with all our greenhouse gas emitting activities, are you saying the polar ice caps would continue to melt, ocean levels would continue to rise, and average temperatures would continue their inexorable upward momentum for the next 50 to 100 years because of Mt. Pinatubo and other natural disasters? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: I heard the stats for Kilauea once. I wish I could remember, but is an incredible amount. When Mt. Penetubo blew, I heard that stats on that one. I think it was something like in one day, that volcano emitted more sulphur, ash, lead, etc. (you pick the pollutant) than the total emissions of every vehicle ever made. Volcan Tungurahua in Ecuador is erupting again. We stayed in Banos (actually up on the slope of the volcano, at Luna Runtun, at the base of the volcano, at Christmas 2 years ago. It was venting a bit when we were there. Banos and other towns in the vicinity are being evacuated. It is a beautiful area, with lots of excitement! The people there seem to roll with it, even though it periodically wipes out their farms and towns. (The) eruption of Tungurahua volcano created large clouds of gas and ash above the summit and it's directed towards the southeast and the west, near city of Banos. Ash cloud up to 4 kilometers in the sky and pyroclastic flows approximately one kilometer down the volcano flank could be seen on Tuesday. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
Back in the 70s (that was 40 years ago, the same physical laws applied then, and economic laws and human behavior factors as well) there was a lot of work done on The Hydrogen Economy because we were all going to freeze and starve in the cold dark, and hydrogen (made from nuke electricity, too cheap to meter) was somehow going to make that all better. The numbers just did not work out (those pesky numbers!) even with various gummint machinations (imagine that!). Liquid petrol is pretty easy, stable stuff to deal with (based on like 100 years of anecdotal reality), not so cryogenic, high-pressure, leaky, low energy/volume hydrogen. It is still a fun idea though, just basically not particularly workable. Sorry. --R On 12/1/11 11:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I was quite skeptical about H2 until I visited NREL last summer and saw a hydrogen fuel celled vehicle first hand . I first saw one being driven by the local MBCA section president Bill Hopper. It was a Mercedes H2 fuel cell powered vehicle that was beyond cool. Now I am beginning to think they may eventually become a practical alternative. Watch the video. http://energy.aol.com/2011/11/29/national-renewable-energy-lab-isolates-hydrogen-for-power/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Jim, I hooked a taillight bulb to the leads going to the mono valve and still get the same readings I did with the multimeter. I did not get blinking lights at any settings, solid on, solid off. I hooked up five different control boxes and got the same results. I am at a loss. Mike Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: ...Zero volts when defrost button is pushed. No voltage == heat, +12V == no heat. PWM (in the seconds timeframe) for in between. If it's never getting juice, the valve is not your problem and you need to look at, say, resoldering the control panel. (Oh, and fuses, temperature feedback plumbing, etc.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire Age
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: 2) They are probably radials and become rotationally biased once mounted and used. Unless the are marked as for direction of rotation you never know how they went on. I thought that modern radials didn't have this problem anymore. Tire shops tell me I don't have to limit rotation to front/back on the same side as except for certain high performance tread patterns, rotation doesn't matter. Allan -- And they sell more tires because of this --- -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Exactly that. Mankind operates on a useful life cycle of about 60 years, so anything that takes longer than that is out of his scale of comprehension. Yet present day man is so ego centric as to believe he really has influence on nature. Earth cycles are on a much longer scale. Measured in centuries or eons rather than weeks. Solar flair cycles effect earth temp, and the sun is presently [measured in years] in a high cycle. Volcanic events spew millions of tons of various materials and gases into the atmosphere. Saddam burning all the oil wells in Kuait for months equaled the combined hydrocarbon emissions of Europe and USA combined for 10 years. China is building 5 new coal fired power plants each week so getting your knickers in a twist over not enough new bike paths or a few hundred electric cars doesn't make a damn, in the big picture... Set back, enjoy your double expresso latte` and chill... the sky isn't going to fall in your lifetime or the next. If it does, you will simply die like all the rest of extinct speci that didn't make it to this point... Earth is what? 200 billion years old? Man has been around maybe 2 million? Modern pollution has only been around maybe 100 yrs of that? Get real. It takes longer than that to erode a new river basin. Want to do something? Stop building housing developments in flood plains, or over earthquake fault lines or under volcanos. Want to stop Tsunami damage, don't build on the beach. Want to cure greenhouse gasses.. stop cutting down trees to make enough paper to print more government regulations or build cities and start planting farms. Or... you could just take any Psudo-scientific BS that is being pumped at face value and believe it is fact after all AL Gore has made millions pushing exactly that while his personal electric bill ran over $20,000 a month to heat and cool his little modest mansion... and others like him wrote government grants for billions more.. .. they must be right ya think? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: So if mankind disappeared from the planet overnight along with all our greenhouse gas emitting activities, are you saying the polar ice caps would continue to melt, ocean levels would continue to rise, and average temperatures would continue their inexorable upward momentum for the next 50 to 100 years because of Mt. Pinatubo and other natural disasters? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I heard the stats for Kilauea once. I wish I could remember, but is an incredible amount. When Mt. Penetubo blew, I heard that stats on that one. I think it was something like in one day, that volcano emitted more sulphur, ash, lead, etc. (you pick the pollutant) than the total emissions of every vehicle ever made. Volcan Tungurahua in Ecuador is erupting again. We stayed in Banos (actually up on the slope of the volcano, at Luna Runtun, at the base of the volcano, at Christmas 2 years ago. It was venting a bit when we were there. Banos and other towns in the vicinity are being evacuated. It is a beautiful area, with lots of excitement! The people there seem to roll with it, even though it periodically wipes out their farms and towns. (The) eruption of Tungurahua volcano created large clouds of gas and ash above the summit and it's directed towards the southeast and the west, near city of Banos. Ash cloud up to 4 kilometers in the sky and pyroclastic flows approximately one kilometer down the volcano flank could be seen on Tuesday. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Synthetic Vs Conventional
Not trying to start another battle over Synth and Dino oils but here’s some real world data to consider when choosing the oil for your vehicles. Found this in a newsletter called “Machinery Lubrication” that I get: Conventional vs. Synthetic Oil Petroleum base mineral oils have some limitations, depending upon the type of base stock used, the level of additives blended, and the operating conditions encountered. The main service difficulties within mineral oils are: 1.. The presence of waxes, which can lead to poor lubrication at low temperature. 2.. Poor oxidation stability at continuously high temperatures, which can lead to sludge and acid buildup. 3.. The dependence of viscosity on temperature, which can cause the base oil to thin excessively at high temperature. 4.. A natural high temperature application limit of about 320°C (608°F), above which the base oil decomposes and begins to coke (turns to a sooty substance). Under severe operating conditions, such as extremely high temperatures, or in very cold operating climates, the difficulties noted above are important factors in the selection of lubricants. Very often, the only solution is the selection of a synthetic oil. Examples of the effective use of synthetic oils are described below: Conventional and Synthetic Oil Case A northern Canadian diesel truck fleet was experiencing cold starting difficulties at temperatures that were consistently below -25°C (-13°F). Another critical problem was that once started, it took a minimum of 1:45 (one minute, forty-five seconds) for the petroleum base SAE 15W/40 oil to provide full flow lubrication and fully 3:15 (three minutes, fifteen seconds) for a petroleum base SAE 30 oil to fully lubricate the rocker arms of the engines. The solution was the use of a partially (50%) synthetic lubricant with an SAE 0W/30 viscosity and an API service classification of SF/CD. Cold starting is no longer difficult, full pressure lubrication is achieved within .20 (twenty) seconds, and at operating temperatures, the oil viscosity behaves much like an SAE 30 grade lubricant. Petroleum Base Oil vs Fully Synthetic Oil A construction equipment contractor was experiencing premature turbocharger failures when certain engines were operated under full load conditions and used around the clock. Investigation through oil analysis and diagnosis of the failed components revealed that the failures were caused by coking of the petroleum base oil within the turbocharger oil passages, thus restricting oil flow and resulting in bearing failure. The initial cause of the oil coking condition was excessive temperatures within the turbocharger housing. A fully synthetic diesel engine oil was selected of the same viscosity as the original conventional oil and installed. Premature turbocharger failures did not reoccur and oil operating temperatures dropped by about 8°. A heavy truck fleet was experiencing high fuel costs in combination with what it felt was premature differential gear and bearing failures, using a good quality 80W/90 gear lubricant. Field testing with a semi-synthetic gear lubricant with a wider viscosity range of 75W/90 reduced the failure rate and provided a fuel economy improvement of over 3%. These are just a few examples of how synthetic oils may solve a problem in transportation or heavy equipment. Examples of the use of synthetics in industrial equipment can be found in Chapter 22 of The Practical Handbook for Machinery Lubrication. The most difficult decision to make, and one which requires great care, is how to choose a synthetic lubricant. Synthetic lubricants are made from a number of different chemical bases, and several classes of compounds have been developed to provide base fluids for commercial synthetic lubricants, among them; 1. Alkylated Aromatics 2. Olefin Polymers 3. Dibasic Acid Esters 4. Neopentyl Poly Esters 5. Poly Glycols 6. Phosphate Esters 7. Silicones 8. Silicate Esters 9. Fluoro Carbons 10. Poly Phenyl Ethers This is an excerpt from The Practical Handbook for Machinery Lubrication. LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: We need to get the UN to put an emissions tax on all these volcanoes -- Bad Gaia BAD!!! Not too mention the radioactive fallout that often goes with a big eruption... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
OMG we're all gonna die --R On 12/1/11 6:05 PM, Max wrote: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: We need to get the UN to put an emissions tax on all these volcanoes -- Bad Gaia BAD!!! Not too mention the radioactive fallout that often goes with a big eruption... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I wish 60x vehicles had a primer pump
Well I finally got it started. I had to swap out the lift pump and it bleed just fine. Strange the old one went out, guess running it out of fuel had something to do with it Sent from my iPhone On Nov 29, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: A few hours/days of walking or bicycling will effect a change of attitude. Yea no joke. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Uh, why would it be that YOU have to do the priming when you didn't run it out of fuel? I'd say it sits until he figures out how to prime it and get it running. Amazing what that motivation will do. The title says it all. It's a pain in the ass to start one when a dumb teen runs it out of fuel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
andrew strasfogel wrote: So if mankind disappeared from the planet overnight along with all our greenhouse gas emitting activities, The most effective greenhouse gas is water vapor. Not carbon dioxide or methane or any other carbon. And water vapor is by _far_ present in the greatest quantity. So _if_ global warming is a result of greenhouse gases (I'm not saying it is or is not): * human produce carbon gases are a small fraction of the quantity released in the atmosphere compared to natural sources like volcanoes * the carbon gases contribute a small fraction of greenhouse effect compared to water vapor So why is there _big_ money and populous control frenzy over human produced carbon gases? Seems if we really want to affect a change we are chasing the wrong thing. ... are you saying the polar ice caps would continue to melt, ocean levels would continue to rise, and average temperatures would continue their inexorable upward momentum for the next 50 to 100 years because of Mt. Pinatubo and other natural disasters? The evidence sure suggests that what humans do - or don't do - will have very little effect on what the temperature does. My issue is _not_ with living frugal or sustainable - it the agenda driven politics that ignore science that worry me. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM diesels
I have owned several 1/2 ton suburbans with the 6.2 and the later 6.5 turbo Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Besides the Blazer and Suburban you mean? Pre-'88? Thats awesome. I'd like to have one but the 3/4 tons ride kind of harsh and are usually geared low. Mike wrote: They put 6.2's in lots of 1/2 ton trucks. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yes 1/2 ton pickups I don't remember ever seeing a 6.2L in anything less than a 3/4 ton. I know the 1/2 ton Suburban didn't ever get the 6.2L. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
From: astrasfo...@gmail.com So if mankind disappeared from the planet overnight along with all our greenhouse gas emitting activities, are you saying the polar ice caps would continue to melt, ocean levels would continue to rise, and average temperatures would continue their inexorable upward momentum for the next 50 to 100 years because of Mt. Pinatubo and other natural disasters? Yup. No amount of Cap Trade Carbon Tax will make it go away.The bottom line is the bottom line and the whole climate change dealis really a push to tax the snot out of the Western world. Oh, that and make a few insiders VERY wealthy. Any guess as to who? http://news.investors.com/Article/475461/200904291857/Cap-And-Trade-Al-Gores-Cash-Cow.htm http://www.glossynews.com/artman/publish/green-renewable-glacier-gore-1644.shtml http://www.examiner.com/orange-county-conservative-in-orlando/scandal-obama-gore-goldman-joyce-foundation-ccx-partners-to-fleece-usa http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/10/12/cleantech-hits-the-jackpot-george-soros-to-invest-1-billion-in/ I really do wish the do gooders had the general population's best interests at heart.The facts appear otherwise. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
I tried five different control units. I cleaned each one with contact cleaner. Could they all be bad? Michael E. Esh On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Sounds like the control unit is not controlling. Might want to take it out and see if anything on it (like maybe the wheel contacts) is corroded, broken, fried, worn out, whatever. --R On 11/30/11 12:24 PM, Mike Esh wrote: I am still having trouble regulating heat in my 84 300D. I either get all heat or all cold. Cold only coming on when temp wheel is rotated all the way to max cool. Current readings are at Mono valve are as follows: 12 volts when system is off. System on any of the 3 center buttons pushed: 12 volts when temp wheel is set to full cool or full heat. zero volts when temp dial is moved to any other position. Zero volts when defrost button is pushed. Is this correct? Any suggestions? I have replaced mono valve already. Thanks, Mike Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Corvair
You were lucky, most people who drove them hard flipped them over. Particularly bad from 59 to 62, by which time they had a very seriously bad reputation for crashing. The problem, mostly fixed by 1964 and permanently cured in 1965 by the use of dual constant velocity joints on each rear axle, was jacking. What happened was that there was no camber limit on rear axle depression, so that under hard cornering, especially if the outside rear tire was low, the axle would push down so far that the rim could dig into the pavement and pogo-stick the car over. Yes, excessive side pressure can cause the axle to DROP, not rise. This is due to the swing axle design and the lack of the frame extension originally designed in to prevent the axle dropping too far. I seem to remember that this camber limiter was eliminated personally by Ed Cole, GM president, to save money. He was also known to change radio knob designs and other silly crap. Jacking is also possible in an MB with a swing axle, but will never lead to roll-over due to the limit on rear axle drop built into the control arms. Strange sensation to have the rear end suddenly rise in hard cornering. Camber limiters were added in either 63 or 64, and the entire rear suspension was re-designed for 1965 with dual CV joints instead of one u-joint in the inner end and dual wishbones with a bump stop. Cured the flip-over issue, but not the steering box in FRONT of the front axle where running over a parking bumper could break the neck of the driver as the steering wheel and 5 foot long straight, solid steering column shot out of the dash. Total piece of junk, especially the pre-64s. I don't remember the total number of people killed in roll-overs, but it wasn't insignificant. Includes almost every teenaged child of a GM executive in those years, since they were very popular cars for kids. Not helped by the fact that simply rolling one over static would usually result in the roof collapsing, typical of everything GM made in the late 50's and early 60's. Peter On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Walt, I never understood RNs problem with the Corvair. Yes, in a head on collision, they like the VW Bug, provided absolutely NO protection. However, as to handling, I owned two 1964 models and drove them on crooked, snake curve, country roads in Southern WV with nary a problem. They were built lower than a Corvette, you couldn't turn them over if you wanted to. I know Nader made his name and future living from them, but I never understood the fuss. Hard to work on and always leaked oil from the horizontal stem seals, but a real blast to drive. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Vs Conventional
Old news -- I remember all this from about 1972. Peter On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Larry wrote: Not trying to start another battle over Synth and Dino oils but here’s some real world data to consider when choosing the oil for your vehicles. Found this in a newsletter called “Machinery Lubrication” that I get: Conventional vs. Synthetic Oil Petroleum base mineral oils have some limitations, depending upon the type of base stock used, the level of additives blended, and the operating conditions encountered. The main service difficulties within mineral oils are: 1.. The presence of waxes, which can lead to poor lubrication at low temperature. 2.. Poor oxidation stability at continuously high temperatures, which can lead to sludge and acid buildup. 3.. The dependence of viscosity on temperature, which can cause the base oil to thin excessively at high temperature. 4.. A natural high temperature application limit of about 320°C (608°F), above which the base oil decomposes and begins to coke (turns to a sooty substance). Under severe operating conditions, such as extremely high temperatures, or in very cold operating climates, the difficulties noted above are important factors in the selection of lubricants. Very often, the only solution is the selection of a synthetic oil. Examples of the effective use of synthetic oils are described below: Conventional and Synthetic Oil Case A northern Canadian diesel truck fleet was experiencing cold starting difficulties at temperatures that were consistently below -25°C (-13°F). Another critical problem was that once started, it took a minimum of 1:45 (one minute, forty-five seconds) for the petroleum base SAE 15W/40 oil to provide full flow lubrication and fully 3:15 (three minutes, fifteen seconds) for a petroleum base SAE 30 oil to fully lubricate the rocker arms of the engines. The solution was the use of a partially (50%) synthetic lubricant with an SAE 0W/30 viscosity and an API service classification of SF/ CD. Cold starting is no longer difficult, full pressure lubrication is achieved within .20 (twenty) seconds, and at operating temperatures, the oil viscosity behaves much like an SAE 30 grade lubricant. Petroleum Base Oil vs Fully Synthetic Oil A construction equipment contractor was experiencing premature turbocharger failures when certain engines were operated under full load conditions and used around the clock. Investigation through oil analysis and diagnosis of the failed components revealed that the failures were caused by coking of the petroleum base oil within the turbocharger oil passages, thus restricting oil flow and resulting in bearing failure. The initial cause of the oil coking condition was excessive temperatures within the turbocharger housing. A fully synthetic diesel engine oil was selected of the same viscosity as the original conventional oil and installed. Premature turbocharger failures did not reoccur and oil operating temperatures dropped by about 8°. A heavy truck fleet was experiencing high fuel costs in combination with what it felt was premature differential gear and bearing failures, using a good quality 80W/90 gear lubricant. Field testing with a semi-synthetic gear lubricant with a wider viscosity range of 75W/90 reduced the failure rate and provided a fuel economy improvement of over 3%. These are just a few examples of how synthetic oils may solve a problem in transportation or heavy equipment. Examples of the use of synthetics in industrial equipment can be found in Chapter 22 of The Practical Handbook for Machinery Lubrication. The most difficult decision to make, and one which requires great care, is how to choose a synthetic lubricant. Synthetic lubricants are made from a number of different chemical bases, and several classes of compounds have been developed to provide base fluids for commercial synthetic lubricants, among them; 1. Alkylated Aromatics 2. Olefin Polymers 3. Dibasic Acid Esters 4. Neopentyl Poly Esters 5. Poly Glycols 6. Phosphate Esters 7. Silicones 8. Silicate Esters 9. Fluoro Carbons 10. Poly Phenyl Ethers This is an excerpt from The Practical Handbook for Machinery Lubrication. LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Yep. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming OMG we're all gonna die --R On 12/1/11 6:05 PM, Max wrote: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: We need to get the UN to put an emissions tax on all these volcanoes -- Bad Gaia BAD!!! Not too mention the radioactive fallout that often goes with a big eruption... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
I dunno about a 603 but a 617 will overheat. The thermostat blocks the return passage through the block and diverts coolant to the radiator. Its been my experience the engine will do fine for maybe 30 minutes or until you shut it off and restart, at that point no coolant will go to the radiator and the engine will overheat. -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:10:57 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure? Message-ID: CABHyH=b9-Z4gaN=NqZ9=H-d=qmpz+byqdgjtezpaua7yusx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 1, 2011 10:42 AM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I used a old t-stat wedged open with a piece of plastic. That's what I had half-remembered from reading about the procedure before! What is the purpose of the jammed-open termostat? Why can't you just remove it as with other cars? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Which I believe is the factory method and accounts for water left in the block. Do I think refilling with 50/50 would mess up the calibration appreciably? Nope... Back where I grew up in northern Maine we used 60/40 coolant/water because -28F that standard coolant quoted at 50/50 wasn't good enough. -Curt Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:05:35 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure? Message-ID: 4ed7fa2f.1000...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dan Penoff wrote: Oh - be sure to fill with premix, not 100% AF. That way you're sure to have the throw (ratio) pretty darned close. If I've got clean water in there from flushing, I add straight AF equal to 50-60% of system capacity and top it off with water. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
I'd planned to stay out of this but... Does anybody still really believe that the reserves of oil will never run out? Sure, sure theres lots more oil but we're pretty well done with the easy/cheap stuff. Hydrofracking probably isn't the greatest idea in the world and tar sands recovery at this point uses a MASSIVE amount of energy. Remember there was a time when people thought drilling for oil was a crazy idea. People did it anyway. There was a time when moving west of the Mississippi river was a crazy idea. People did that too. Cars? Crazy idea. Wireless communication? Crazy idea. I think it was the president of IBM that said personal computers were a crazy idea, and Bill Gates purportedly said nobody would ever need more than 640k of RAM. Our nation was built on crazy ideas, hell our whole world is built on the crazies, squares never accomplish everything. Hydrogen or solar, or wind, or who knows what. Thats the next thing, right now we're flailing around trying to find something and the thing that pisses me off, the thing that is the most destructive to the whole process is all the asshats that sit around with nothing better to do than say well thats not going to work. Man, I'd said I wasn't gonna do it, and now I gone and did it. Typical... -Curt Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:13:10 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future? Message-ID: 4ed7fbf6.9000...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Back in the 70s (that was 40 years ago, the same physical laws applied then, and economic laws and human behavior factors as well) there was a lot of work done on The Hydrogen Economy because we were all going to freeze and starve in the cold dark, and hydrogen (made from nuke electricity, too cheap to meter) was somehow going to make that all better. The numbers just did not work out (those pesky numbers!) even with various gummint machinations (imagine that!). Liquid petrol is pretty easy, stable stuff to deal with (based on like 100 years of anecdotal reality), not so cryogenic, high-pressure, leaky, low energy/volume hydrogen. It is still a fun idea though, just basically not particularly workable. Sorry. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Are any of the control boxes (you mean the push button array here right?) known to be good? Like you can put them in another car and they for sure work? The problem is you're suffering just about the most common failure. If all the boxes you're messing with are 20+ years old its quite possible for them all to be broken the same... -Curt Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:50:14 -0500 From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help Message-ID: 93499b2d-4baa-47bf-8e14-97aece39f...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Jim, I hooked a taillight bulb to the leads going to the mono valve and still get the same readings I did with the multimeter. I did not get blinking lights at any settings, solid on, solid off. I hooked up five different control boxes and got the same results. I am at a loss. Mike Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: ...Zero volts when defrost button is pushed. No voltage == heat, +12V == no heat. PWM (in the seconds timeframe) for in between. If it's never getting juice, the valve is not your problem and you need to look at, say, resoldering the control panel. (Oh, and fuses, temperature feedback plumbing, etc.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
It wasn't that long ago you couldn't go outside in loads of cities without a mask on during smog days. London is a good example. It wasn't that long ago the Nashua river near where I live used to run in technocolor and occasionally catch on fire. Are you saying these were natural phenomenon which we should leave unchecked? Are you suggesting that capitalism polices itself and the good factory owners will not pollute because its bad business? Because if you are I've got a bridge I'd like you to have a look at, very reasonable rates. -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:00:46 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming Message-ID: cantulyijp-tlmsvs0dfwnvptibaxyzvrrr907gxy2lb8_vr...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Exactly that. Mankind operates on a useful life cycle of about 60 years, so anything that takes longer than that is out of his scale of comprehension. Yet present day man is so ego centric as to believe he really has influence on nature. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Vs Conventional
I was thinking it was old when I hit the CD spec. M1 just stopped listing CF on their bottles because it was old... -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:49:04 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Vs Conventional Message-ID: 72419d12-5654-440d-91cd-89881efb3...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Old news -- I remember all this from about 1972. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
The earth will self-adjust, by wiping most of us off --- but it's fun while it lasts! On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:48 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Unfortunately nations and people are not so well designed nor resilient. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: The earth was designed to manage its own climate and is doing fine. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
IIRC, hydrogen isn't the only thing you can use in a fuel cell. It's just the usual fuel for them. More work needs to be done on the alternatives. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Back in the 70s (that was 40 years ago, the same physical laws applied then, and economic laws and human behavior factors as well) there was a lot of work done on The Hydrogen Economy because we were all going to freeze and starve in the cold dark, and hydrogen (made from nuke electricity, too cheap to meter) was somehow going to make that all better. The numbers just did not work out (those pesky numbers!) even with various gummint machinations (imagine that!). Liquid petrol is pretty easy, stable stuff to deal with (based on like 100 years of anecdotal reality), not so cryogenic, high-pressure, leaky, low energy/volume hydrogen. It is still a fun idea though, just basically not particularly workable. Sorry. --R On 12/1/11 11:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I was quite skeptical about H2 until I visited NREL last summer and saw a hydrogen fuel celled vehicle first hand . I first saw one being driven by the local MBCA section president Bill Hopper. It was a Mercedes H2 fuel cell powered vehicle that was beyond cool. Now I am beginning to think they may eventually become a practical alternative. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
On Dec 1, 2011 1:24 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: The thermostat is single-pole, double-throw switch. That is, when it gets hot it opens the route to the radiator and simultaneously closes the bypass. Ok, dumb question (maybe) but I'm still trying to understand the flow of coolant through the system under various circumstances. Could a failed thermostat prevent flow of hot coolant to the heater control valve on an OM603? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
Only if there isn't enough coolant to reach the head. The thermostat is a dual action type -- when it's closed, the rear flap is open to let coolant flow around the block and heater core via the bypass passage in the block. when it's open, the bypass is closed off and coolant is pumped through the radiator. Partly open, it flows both ways. The auxilliary pump for the heater core, located under the windshield washer tank on a W124, can fail, and if it does, you get poor heat performance, particularly at idle or low speed. If you leave the thermostat out, or install one without the rear flap, coolant will NOT be forced through the radiator and it will boil. Peter On Dec 1, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 1, 2011 1:24 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: The thermostat is single-pole, double-throw switch. That is, when it gets hot it opens the route to the radiator and simultaneously closes the bypass. Ok, dumb question (maybe) but I'm still trying to understand the flow of coolant through the system under various circumstances. Could a failed thermostat prevent flow of hot coolant to the heater control valve on an OM603? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
I tried five different control units. I cleaned each one with contact cleaner. Could they all be bad? Absolutely. The units with the little translucent AUTO switch are EXTREMELY prone to having cracked solder joints. As in: I've had to fix EVERY one of them in our fleet. Yes, every one. Fortunately the repair is fairly easy, if you can solder. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
I hooked a taillight bulb to the leads going to the mono valve and still get the same readings I did with the multimeter. I did not get blinking lights at Taillight bulb is a bit heavy, a side-marker lamp would be kinder and gentler. any settings, solid on, solid off. I hooked up five different control boxes and got the same results. On our 380SL the auxiliary coolant pump is a bit noisy and you can hear a faint 'whirr' inside the cabin. As the monovalve cycles on and off you can hear the pitch of the whirr change. Whee-whirr-whee-whi... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Curt wrote: Are you saying these were natural phenomenon which we should leave unchecked? Are you suggesting that capitalism polices itself and the good factory owners will not pollute because its bad business? What Philip said is good: My issue is _not_ with living frugal or sustainable - it the agenda driven politics that ignore science that worry me. Capitalism has never been allowed to run free without limiting regulation. We need capitalism that would depend on local eyeballs to jam the works. Today's capitalism is sooo restrained, we have no idea if it could stop pollution. We are handed an EPA that rules pollution and does that job quite inefficiently. Remove EPA and other federal watchdogs out of the equation and we might see some real citizen activism that is effective. Read The Law by Frederic Bastiat - a pdf pamphlet that is quick to read and comprehend to understand the reality of our corrupted systems of protections. These systems of protections do nothing that they intend to accomplish but they *do* accomplish making many millionaire providers that have written themselves in to law. Service providers did all the writing of the new healthcare law assuring themselves of billions of profit. The problem is *not* capitalism run amok, it is castrated capitalism which lets us each live comfortably numb, thinking uncle sam will do the proper job. If uncle sam were not making vague promises, we might be rattled enough by kodachrome rivers to react as citizens and accomplish things the government has zero business accomplishing. This rant shall not place me in the neocon/zionist camp, rather, this rant should say that politics is dead and promises from DC are ignorant. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 coolant change procedure?
I seem to remember there's something tricky about getting the whole system (block, radiator, heater core, etc.) to stay open all at once so as to do a full flush. (Specially modified thermostat?) Yep. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SDLcool.html and http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SDL/SDLcooltool.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Nope! Not at all. I am saying that our planet was created to be self healing. The normal variation will continue to occur. I do not know what those normal variations will be. Most of Norte Amerika was once a glacier. In fact, where my house is was covered by seven different glaciers that advanced, then receded one at a time. It was also a tropical paradise. Now it is a temperate climate. All this happened before without the interference of a single exploder, or a trillion vehicles. It will happen again with or without vehicles and/or people. The point about Penetubo and other volcanos is that even these massive emissions, which dwarf the sum total of all the emissions of all human activities, are insufficient to cause any change outside of normal variation. Therefore, human activities will not cause climate change outside of normal variation. The climate change scam was invented to enslave people by taxing the very existence of animal life. (CO2) AND even taxing all life and all things that used to be alive (C) Climate change was all political. The real evidence is that for the past 10 years or so, and for the next 20 or so years, the planet will cool. After that the normal cycle will warm up again. This cycle is directly related to solar activity. (Solar activity means the amount of solar radiation reaching earth, not how many solar collectors are put on on this planet.) So if mankind disappeared from the planet overnight along with all our greenhouse gas emitting activities, are you saying the polar ice caps would continue to melt, ocean levels would continue to rise, and average temperatures would continue their inexorable upward momentum for the next 50 to 100 years because of Mt. Pinatubo and other natural disasters? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
Curt wrote: Hydrogen or solar, or wind, or who knows what. Thats the next thing, right now we're flailing around trying to find something and the thing that pisses me off, the thing that is the most destructive to the whole process is all the asshats that sit around with nothing better to do than say well thats not going to work. Man, I'd said I wasn't gonna do it, and now I gone and did it. Typical... You are not wrong. Just as long as you let innovation and invention run full throttle, instead of through government funded programs. Let the people own these things instead of the bankers and federal agencies. We cannot return to our abuse of systems that ended in the 2008 bank fraud crises and we should not expect those days to ever return. We remain stuck living in the past, but the brave new world is upon us - lets get our heads out of the sand. To start the brave new world, we could start by losing about 2 billion people on the planet - I volunteer to be #1. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Kind reminds me of country Joe and the Fish: 1, 2, 3 what are we fightin for? Don't ask me I don't give a d@m, next stop is carbon tax. And it 5, 6, 7 open up the Pearly Gates. Well there ain't no time to wonder why Whoopee! We're all gonna die (unless albore (sorass) gets 'is carbon tax.) - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming OMG we're all gonna die --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Corvair
My uncle had a 65 sport model. I think that was Monza. I drove it a few times and it was ok. It was kind of a fun car. I did not ever drive it hard. I was aware of the reputation, deserved or not. You were lucky, most people who drove them hard flipped them over. Particularly bad from 59 to 62, by which time they had a very seriously bad reputation for crashing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
I am just scanning through all that. My pennies worth is: What is the cost of changing an established infrastructure? 100's of thousands gas stations, millions of people. My guess is, wait for the crash. My estimate is that neither myself nor my great grand children will be alive. I met a guy to day who bought a new truck, changed from diesel to gas (diesel is so high). The old truck was a 2009, chipped out Ford diesel. He will, if prices stay at the current rate, get even at about 300k miles on the new truck (not yet chipped out Gasser). And that is common attitude now a days. I rest my case. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
Rick wrote: I think George puts it pretty well here. Caveat: some vulgarity. George Carlin has a knack for putting good sense to issues. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT global warming
It seems that it is impossible to arrive at any consensus about warmist concepts. But, it seems that it is something we can each affect ourselves, no? Why not live with less. Why not live with positive footprint on the planet. Why argue so much about science so called and rather speak to each other as humans and assist where needed. Oh, wait - uncle sam does all that for us, so we don't need to do anything. Cue George Carlin for round 2. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TD rear windshield rubber
That may be what I will have to do. I've been looking at dynamat for the firewall where the highly fragile hard whatever it is that is on there is crumbling off faster then I can clean it out of the floorboards. Manfred Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:10:43 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] TD rear windshield rubber MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com writes: Wait till I start looking for the carpet and sound deadener sets for the floor and listen to me scream then. You ain't heard nothing yet! Pretty sure the sound deadening pads are NLA. I wanted some for my W116. Thinking of using Dynamat or maybe just heavy closed-cell foam rubber like those stress relief floor mats for people who have to stand at work a lot. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Here is good conversation about mono valve voltage. It cleared things up me about reading voltage to the mono valve. Mine appears to be working correctly. Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I hooked a taillight bulb to the leads going to the mono valve and still get the same readings I did with the multimeter. I did not get blinking lights at Taillight bulb is a bit heavy, a side-marker lamp would be kinder and gentler. any settings, solid on, solid off. I hooked up five different control boxes and got the same results. On our 380SL the auxiliary coolant pump is a bit noisy and you can hear a faint 'whirr' inside the cabin. As the monovalve cycles on and off you can hear the pitch of the whirr change. Whee-whirr-whee-whi... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
None of the pbu's are known to be good. I am going to check mono valve function one more time and then order new pbu if I find nothing new. Does Rusty carry these? Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Are any of the control boxes (you mean the push button array here right?) known to be good? Like you can put them in another car and they for sure work? The problem is you're suffering just about the most common failure. If all the boxes you're messing with are 20+ years old its quite possible for them all to be broken the same... -Curt Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:50:14 -0500 From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help Message-ID: 93499b2d-4baa-47bf-8e14-97aece39f...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Jim, I hooked a taillight bulb to the leads going to the mono valve and still get the same readings I did with the multimeter. I did not get blinking lights at any settings, solid on, solid off. I hooked up five different control boxes and got the same results. I am at a loss. Mike Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: ...Zero volts when defrost button is pushed. No voltage == heat, +12V == no heat. PWM (in the seconds timeframe) for in between. If it's never getting juice, the valve is not your problem and you need to look at, say, resoldering the control panel. (Oh, and fuses, temperature feedback plumbing, etc.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
That is a strong statement. How about getting some 1,000people (leaders of the world) pull their Head's off rather than telling the rest of the populaion to stick it in the sand? As long there is wealth, the rich geniuses will prosper feeding on the nots o wealthy dumb fucks. Spend a buck to save a dime ($0.90 goes where?) Nothing you or I can do. Babilonians, Ageans, Kreaetians, Greeks, Romans, Jews, Christians or Muslims. It is the sociertis we live in. The next Ice Age will fix that. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Curt wrote: Hydrogen or solar, or wind, or who knows what. Thats the next thing, right now we're flailing around trying to find something and the thing that pisses me off, the thing that is the most destructive to the whole process is all the asshats that sit around with nothing better to do than say well thats not going to work. Man, I'd said I wasn't gonna do it, and now I gone and did it. Typical... You are not wrong. Just as long as you let innovation and invention run full throttle, instead of through government funded programs. Let the people own these things instead of the bankers and federal agencies. We cannot return to our abuse of systems that ended in the 2008 bank fraud crises and we should not expect those days to ever return. We remain stuck living in the past, but the brave new world is upon us - lets get our heads out of the sand. To start the brave new world, we could start by losing about 2 billion people on the planet - I volunteer to be #1. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Does anyone have a picture example of a broken circuit? Am I just looking for crack in a solder joint? Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I tried five different control units. I cleaned each one with contact cleaner. Could they all be bad? Absolutely. The units with the little translucent AUTO switch are EXTREMELY prone to having cracked solder joints. As in: I've had to fix EVERY one of them in our fleet. Yes, every one. Fortunately the repair is fairly easy, if you can solder. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Hydrogen as the fuel of the future?
Hans wrote: Nothing you or I can do. Correct!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
They say it happened before. Remeber the Dinosoresses? (or is it Dinossii?) I dont want to be around when Yelow Stone leaves this globe, On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I heard the stats for Kilauea once. I wish I could remember, but is an incredible amount. When Mt. Penetubo blew, I heard that stats on that one. I think it was something like in one day, that volcano emitted more sulphur, ash, lead, etc. (you pick the pollutant) than the total emissions of every vehicle ever made. Volcan Tungurahua in Ecuador is erupting again. We stayed in Banos (actually up on the slope of the volcano, at Luna Runtun, at the base of the volcano, at Christmas 2 years ago. It was venting a bit when we were there. Banos and other towns in the vicinity are being evacuated. It is a beautiful area, with lots of excitement! The people there seem to roll with it, even though it periodically wipes out their farms and towns. (The) eruption of Tungurahua volcano created large clouds of gas and ash above the summit and it's directed towards the southeast and the west, near city of Banos. Ash cloud up to 4 kilometers in the sky and pyroclastic flows approximately one kilometer down the volcano flank could be seen on Tuesday. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote: Does anyone have a picture example of a broken circuit? Am I just looking for crack in a solder joint? Here is a pictorial on disassembly from Dan. I don't think it shows specifically cracks, but it was pretty thorough, IIRC. (can't view it on the iPhone for some reason). http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100140 BTW, do you want to part with one of the non-functioning units? I could use a spare. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire Age
Probaly. Big Industry catering to big believers (Not ignorant, just misled). On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: 2) They are probably radials and become rotationally biased once mounted and used. Unless the are marked as for direction of rotation you never know how they went on. I thought that modern radials didn't have this problem anymore. Tire shops tell me I don't have to limit rotation to front/back on the same side as except for certain high performance tread patterns, rotation doesn't matter. Allan -- And they sell more tires because of this --- -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
order new pbu if I find nothing new. Does Rusty carry these? You got a big wallet? There's a reason that we all either resolder them, or learn to do so. Hey, you've got five to learn on... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Does anyone have a picture example of a broken circuit? Am I just looking for crack in a solder joint? Open one up, and examine (in particular) the joints to the side boards, which are (in contravention to all known good soldering practice) also the mechanical support of the side boards. The cracks there are usually extremely obvious. However, often those are not the only cracked joints. Just the most obvious ones. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve voltage readings -please help
Yes, send me our address. Michael E. Esh On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote: Does anyone have a picture example of a broken circuit? Am I just looking for crack in a solder joint? Here is a pictorial on disassembly from Dan. I don't think it shows specifically cracks, but it was pretty thorough, IIRC. (can't view it on the iPhone for some reason). http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100140 BTW, do you want to part with one of the non-functioning units? I could use a spare. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I buy a brand new car
Bought a brand new 2012 Chevrolet Sonic the other day Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TD rear windshield rubber
That may be what they originally put in the 123. I'll look for that also if for nothing else then the doors. Manfred Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:52:34 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TD rear windshield rubber J C Whitney sells (or sold, when we did my brother's 75 300D) asphalt sound deadening material. It's still in use, so it's gotta be out there, if not in pre-cut versions. It stayed down, worked great. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I buy a brand new car
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: Bought a brand new 2012 Chevrolet Sonic the other day Sonic?? What the heck is that? Never heard of it. Though I have not been paying attention to GM since the government bought them. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TD rear windshield rubber
Please post if you find something good... Allan MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com writes: That may be what they originally put in the 123. I'll look for that also if for nothing else then the doors. Manfred Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:52:34 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TD rear windshield rubber J C Whitney sells (or sold, when we did my brother's 75 300D) asphalt sound deadening material. It's still in use, so it's gotta be out there, if not in pre-cut versions. It stayed down, worked great. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] bypass Chrysler servo?
I want to temporarily bypass the removed servo in my W116 so I can have some heat until I can either repair or replace it. I am planning to just plumb the heater core directly to the circulating pump (should act basically like the servo water valve is wide open) but do I need to jumper any of the electrical or vacuum connections to get the fan to run? Since defrost should be the failsafe I am thinking if I just plug all the ports on the vacuum connector and select the Defrost pushbutton on the console I should be able to get by with that? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Already got our carbon tax down here in Oz, comes into effect next year! Dieselhead wrote: Kind reminds me of country Joe and the Fish: 1, 2, 3 what are we fightin for? Don't ask me I don't give a d@m, next stop is carbon tax. And it 5, 6, 7 open up the Pearly Gates. Well there ain't no time to wonder why Whoopee! We're all gonna die (unless albore (sorass) gets 'is carbon tax.) - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming OMG we're all gonna die --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
