Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
I must say, I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. If they can't call, they're not worth wasting my time. The type of people who text message as their first line of communication around here are generally the type I want to avoid contact with. Jaime On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: Saw what appeared to be a creampuff '76 300D on Craigslist for $1750, no email listed, just a cell phone number. I sent a text: Me: Hi, I saw your CL ad. Nice looking 114. Does the heater blower work? Seller: Are you interested in the car? Me: Yes, but only if the blower works, since it's a major repair if it doesn't. Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Me: No I'm not. BTW your ad's been flagged. (I'm not the one who flagged it. But I wouldn't bother with the car after that, anyway.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Not knowing what they're doing and putting in a poor effort are not the same thing... -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:33:08 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton Message-ID: m1zkek6pij@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You all are reading past what I'm saying. I am not saying it not possible to do a good job home schooling. I'm not endorsing public schools either. I'm saying to do it (home schooling) well is a lot of work. And I personally know of people who are home schooling their kids and doing them a tremendous diservice both socially and academically because they don't know what they are doing, they are not putting in the effort that it demands, and they don't have the resources to provide a rich educational curriculum. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Good luck with that. I've never seen a Genius based repair that took less than 2 weeks for what I could do in 2 hours... BTW its nVidia not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic board (known as a motherboard on every other computer) and a big thank you to Apple for making them one piece. Apple should get an award for being one of the least green companies around. Non-replaceable batteries in phones and ipods being another example. -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:21:46 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CAC35L=st3n14zcpjxvxd4pwy46mrettcjy7pllcpzj+ufuu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I spoke to soon. The uber Genius at the Apple Store said 1) recall is over, 2) I don't have the Nvideo any way, and 3) diagnostics showed it's the logic board that needs replacing. Off it goes to Genius land for repair. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 5:25 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: OWC has been offering a few used machines in the $400+ range. Might be a source for parts or usable machine and your old one for parts clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
The College Board says the average cost of a 4 year education is still like $5-7000 a year. The maroons going to the $30k schools are doing so for the big name, not the big education. I went to Fitchburg State College (now Fitchburg State University) in dumpy little Fitchburg, MA. I paid around about $40,000 for the whole 4 years including room and board. One of my friends went to Emerson at about the same time, paid around 2x what I did for basically the same education. Oh wait did I say the same education? Well half or more of his classes were taught by graduate students, zero of mine were. He didn't get to take any video production classes in his first year, I had 2. He didn't get to use a non-linear editing system until his 3rd year, I used one extensively in my second. I paid off my loans in 2004, 5 years ahead of schedule. The day I paid off my loan he and I worked together, doing the same job, for the same pay... Every time he made fun of dumpy little Fitchburg I reminded him that I'd already paid off my loans and nobody cares anymore where we went to school. -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:37:26 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton Message-ID: m1vcp77vjt@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: College is becoming more the minimum, though a lot of the matriculating students are barely high-school (or even 8th grade) capable to participate in that kind of knowledge-based study. Not only that, but with everyone (or at least a lot more than in the past) going to college, the supply of people entering the workforce with at least some college is higher, thus lowering the value of having that education, while at the same time said education costs more than ever and many students are leaving college with significant debt. What's the position of the Occupy movement on the greed of Big Ed I wonder. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows air, but claimed that a relay can be replaced in 1/14th the time required to replace your dead blower. (if the blower were not dead, you would have said so in message number one) Oh, and Jaime, lots of sellers today say 'no emails, text or call xxx-xxx-', and some of those might work at a place that doesn't allow cell phones, but they answer texts on their lunch hour. If your preference is voice, say so and say when the best time to call you is. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Curt Raymond wrote: The College Board says the average cost of a 4 year education is still like $5-7000 a year. The maroons going to the $30k schools are doing so for the big name, not the big education. The cheapest state university in Michigan is something like $4800 a semester for tuition and registration, and I'm pretty sure there are a few hundred in other fees not included in that figure. Community college is only about twice the cost that I paid for a big ten school, which makes it affordable under the current Pell Grant scheme. The last two years are no longer something the kid can easily pay for by working as he goes, unless he gets an academic or sports scholarship. I've come to the conclusion that if only the kids who could get scholarships went to four year schools, the kids would be a lot better off. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: a failure of culture and society to value education BINGO! We have a winner! OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows air, but claimed that a relay can be replaced in 1/14th the time required to replace your dead blower. ... bringing to mind the evergreen question, If it's such an easy fix, why don't you do it yourself and raise your asking price accordingly? Oh, and Jaime, lots of sellers today say 'no emails, text or call xxx-xxx-', and some of those might work at a place that doesn't allow cell phones, but they answer texts on their lunch hour. Exactly. Don't let the fact that it is the preferred method of communication of nine out of ten teenage girls surveyed sour you on text messaging. It has its uses. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Calipers and anti-lock brakes
The front calipers on my 2003 Ford Ranger are sticky, they've got Akebono pads in them so I don't want some goober messing with them. My local Car Quest has the calipers in stock... Problem for me is they've got ABS and I'm under the impression you need a pressure bleeder when dealing with ABS. I'm wondering if I can do the reverse bleed (ie push from below) on ABS brakes... If so this isn't really all that much of a job is it? I'm thinking to do hoses while I'm there, the truck sat a lot before I got it and I figure its probably due... Thoughts? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
I do not really even know how to text but if I wanted the car, I would figure out how to do so. Randy On 23/12/2011 8:38 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows air, but claimed that a relay can be replaced in 1/14th the time required to replace your dead blower. ... bringing to mind the evergreen question, If it's such an easy fix, why don't you do it yourself and raise your asking price accordingly? Oh, and Jaime, lots of sellers today say 'no emails, text or call xxx-xxx-', and some of those might work at a place that doesn't allow cell phones, but they answer texts on their lunch hour. Exactly. Don't let the fact that it is the preferred method of communication of nine out of ten teenage girls surveyed sour you on text messaging. It has its uses. Alex ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+
hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1!
Technically true, and a cause of a fair number of blower
problems, but far from the first-line cause IMHO. The
guy's either lying or stupid. I think my 114 had a blower
selector switch ('relay') failure, in fact, but I never cared
whether the heater worked or not in that car, only the AC.
(My memory is foggy, but I do remember getting that switch
[on the AC ducting] working again.) Remember that the 114
has _two_ blower motors, one for AC and one for heat.
The heater blower is the one we all know and love.
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
Yeah I agree. It's a bit passive and disrespectful. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I must say, I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. If they can't call, they're not worth wasting my time. The type of people who text message as their first line of communication around here are generally the type I want to avoid contact with. Jaime On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: Saw what appeared to be a creampuff '76 300D on Craigslist for $1750, no email listed, just a cell phone number. I sent a text: Me: Hi, I saw your CL ad. Nice looking 114. Does the heater blower work? Seller: Are you interested in the car? Me: Yes, but only if the blower works, since it's a major repair if it doesn't. Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Me: No I'm not. BTW your ad's been flagged. (I'm not the one who flagged it. But I wouldn't bother with the car after that, anyway.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice 300SDL, crackhead dealer
Were I interested in the car, I would ask the seller what would it take to make this car showroom/factory perfect? On 12/23/11, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: http://clients.automanager.com/015606/vehicle-details/d945e3ac9db2644989452c05c65c518c/default.html Awfully nice-looking 126, but I doubt it only has 95K mi on it... and if it does, it's got to be in serious need of an Italian tune-up. (The dealer is one of Portland's biggest flippers of auction turds---oops, I mean sellers of fine pre-owned late-model European luxury automobiles.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Sorry for my faux pas. FWIW, the UG* said they would fix everything on the computer that needs fixin' while replacing the bad part. *uber genius On 12/23/11, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Good luck with that. I've never seen a Genius based repair that took less than 2 weeks for what I could do in 2 hours... BTW its nVidia not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic board (known as a motherboard on every other computer) and a big thank you to Apple for making them one piece. Apple should get an award for being one of the least green companies around. Non-replaceable batteries in phones and ipods being another example. -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:21:46 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CAC35L=st3n14zcpjxvxd4pwy46mrettcjy7pllcpzj+ufuu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I spoke to soon. The uber Genius at the Apple Store said 1) recall is over, 2) I don't have the Nvideo any way, and 3) diagnostics showed it's the logic board that needs replacing. Off it goes to Genius land for repair. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 5:25 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: OWC has been offering a few used machines in the $400+ range. Might be a source for parts or usable machine and your old one for parts clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
BTW its nVidia not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic board (known as a motherboard on every other computer) Erroneously, if you ask me. Logic board is more correct, since the board is not a 'mother' to others. and a big thank you to Apple for making them one piece. This is done for system reliability reasons, as connectors are one of the least reliable components in a computer. Inherently. They also take up more room, or at least the more reliable ones do, which is not something you can usually afford in a laptop! It is unfortunate that the PC component vendor made a batch of crappy parts that got into production. I hate that Apple now basically makes the same shit as everybody else. Our newest computer is an iMac G4. Maybe ten years old or so. They're all still working great. By surfing the trailing edge we've basically avoided all the lemon models. Mac, Fat Mac, Mac +, Portable, IIci, SE 30, 7500/100, G3 beige, Wallstreet, Pismo (4!), iMac (stalk display). All are either working now, or were working when last used. I expect to pick up a non-liquid-cooled G5 fairly soon, when the right one turns up, and I suppose my wife's lust for something new or not very old will put us into Intel laptop world soon enough, but I try not to think about that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Allen, I apologize, I now see we are both expressing the same concerns from different viewpoints. The concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. If it were a perfect world, I suppose that would be by some sort of injection of knowledge like polio vaccine. It's both not a perfect world, and not possible. There are smart parents, less than smart parents, smart children, less than smart children, schools follow the same profile. Some do the job well, some do not. The teachers hired and supported by those schools are equally gifted or lacking of gifts for lighting up the thirst for knowledge in the individual student. It is a complex set of problems for which we desire a simple answer and lack of effort, surplus of government funds, or the Herculean effort of individual gifted parents or teachers will not cure stupid. In the words of the Greek, Socrates The best school is a log with a student on one end and a teacher on the other. [in todays world, I would presume that log would be floating in the middle of the Pacific and well out of text or PDA range, so the teacher would have undivided attention of said student] Grant... AZ On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Not knowing what they're doing and putting in a poor effort are not the same thing... -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:33:08 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton Message-ID: m1zkek6pij@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You all are reading past what I'm saying. I am not saying it not possible to do a good job home schooling. I'm not endorsing public schools either. I'm saying to do it (home schooling) well is a lot of work. And I personally know of people who are home schooling their kids and doing them a tremendous diservice both socially and academically because they don't know what they are doing, they are not putting in the effort that it demands, and they don't have the resources to provide a rich educational curriculum. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
The usual problem with those video chips (and it's not isolated to the Macbooks, by the way) is poor soldering and inadequate cooling, with the result that the surface mount chip solder connection (these are ball grid array, meaning that the connections are a grid on the bottom of the chip) fail to conduct, resulting in no video. Easy to check, as an external monitor will be dead as well, unlike when the cable to the display cracks, another common failure. Apple has had serious issues with improper/inadequate soldering for years, probably a result of where they are made (China) and the tendency of the makers to cheat on solder paste to raise profits. IBM had an issue with some ThinkPads a few years ago, so did Sony with the VIAO line of laptops where the memory chip sockets disconnect. I've got a 15 G4 Powerbook with both issues, been meaning to get a re-flow set up going to fix it, can't lose since it doesn't work now. Apple's obsession with thin (actually, Steve Job's) resulted in much less than normal reliability in those products. Typically Apple computers are near bulletproof, but starting in 2003 or so reliability went down the drain -- probably because they switched from Malaysia to China for manufacturing. Way too many failures (10% and up) and very little support -- just buy a new one to the tune of $2500 was the typical response. My BIL bought three MacBooks a few years back for his family -- two 13 and a 15 pro, and one of the 13 ones ran a whole hour before dying completely. Pretty low quality demonstration, eh? Totally inert, had to swap it for a new one. Peter On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: BTW its nVidia not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic board (known as a motherboard on every other computer) Erroneously, if you ask me. Logic board is more correct, since the board is not a 'mother' to others. and a big thank you to Apple for making them one piece. This is done for system reliability reasons, as connectors are one of the least reliable components in a computer. Inherently. They also take up more room, or at least the more reliable ones do, which is not something you can usually afford in a laptop! It is unfortunate that the PC component vendor made a batch of crappy parts that got into production. I hate that Apple now basically makes the same shit as everybody else. Our newest computer is an iMac G4. Maybe ten years old or so. They're all still working great. By surfing the trailing edge we've basically avoided all the lemon models. Mac, Fat Mac, Mac +, Portable, IIci, SE 30, 7500/100, G3 beige, Wallstreet, Pismo (4!), iMac (stalk display). All are either working now, or were working when last used. I expect to pick up a non-liquid-cooled G5 fairly soon, when the right one turns up, and I suppose my wife's lust for something new or not very old will put us into Intel laptop world soon enough, but I try not to think about that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jill's been having persistent starting troubles on the Chicken Wagon, but all the GP's are (now) good. It cranks just fine, but won't start. Intermittently, according to her. To me it sounds like the GP's just aren't doing their job well. Today I had a chance to dig into it a little bit. I started by cleaning the relay connections and putting Caig Deoxit on them. I pulled the big fuse and it was good, but I still cleaned it off with a little wire brush and put it back together with Deoxit. I pulled the relay and took it to the bench, but it seemed to behave well there. (Interestingly, if the big fuse is not there the relay will buzz loudly after it times out, I wonder if that is deliberate? I'll look into that further later, it may be one of the system's self-diagnostic traits.) Back on the car I checked the GP current, it started out at a peak of 130A and dropped down to about 50A steady-state. The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! She had to go so I didn't get to dig into it further, but I imagine that either the feed end of the power wire to the relay is corroded or loose, or else the wire itself has been damaged somehow. I checked the ETM and found that C105 is where this wire supposedly originates, and that this is the three-terminal power block right next to the battery. I'd already loosened and tightened its three screws, and sprayed Deoxit on them, as part of what I'd first done, but nothing more. Next time. The car started beautifully, of course, but I'd had the block heater on while I was working on it, and of course the glow plugs had gotten run a fair bit while sleuthing. (The battery charger was on it all the time, to replenish the losses.) And it was parked inside. I _expected_ no trouble this time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? Allan Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: Saw what appeared to be a creampuff '76 300D on Craigslist for $1750, no email listed, just a cell phone number. I sent a text: Me: Hi, I saw your CL ad. Nice looking 114. Does the heater blower work? Seller: Are you interested in the car? Me: Yes, but only if the blower works, since it's a major repair if it doesn't. Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Me: No I'm not. BTW your ad's been flagged. (I'm not the one who flagged it. But I wouldn't bother with the car after that, anyway.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: On Dec 23, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. Yeah I agree. It's a bit passive and disrespectful. I can see it both ways. Often I find texting to be more efficient than getting into a rambling conversation on the phone. Also easier to do in places where conversation might be disruptive or not appreciated (office settings, etc). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: FWIW, the UG* said they would fix everything on the computer that needs fixin' while replacing the bad part. That's because replacing the logic board is essentially giving you a new computer. It's an all-in-one assembly. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Not knowing what they're doing and putting in a poor effort are not the same thing... But in the situation I'm thinking of, it's both. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: The College Board says the average cost of a 4 year education is still like $5-7000 a year. The maroons going to the $30k schools are doing so for the big name, not the big education. I think you are absolutely right, especially for an undergraduate degree. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
It is illogical. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: logic board Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
They love Big Greedy Gummit and Greedy Big Ed. Yo usee, my greed is not greedy, but yours is! a relative of NIMBY, like certain SOOOIE-Preme CT justices. (I can take your land, but don't try using eminent domain to take mine for a development) . What's the position of the Occupy movement on the greed of Big Ed I wonder. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Calipers and anti-lock brakes
Curt Raymond wrote: Problem for me is they've got ABS and I'm under the impression you need a pressure bleeder when dealing with ABS. I borrowed Dad's Dakota last month and popped a front hose. Didn't have any problem bleeding it the old fashioned way after replacing the hose (and it had drained all the fluid out of the plumbing in that corner through the leak in the hose). Just try it the regular way first, then make a pressure bleeder out of a insecticide sprayer or a plastic pop bottle if you need ot. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education system it is too late to do much in the way of educating them, you might be able to teach them something but that is not preparing them to learn on their own and to become truly educated. There is a vast difference between teaching and educating, bu the schools can do neither well if the parents have not prepared the children for the experience. Unfortunately this has a disparate effect on certain segments of society wherein having a child or 3 or 5 with no father in the household, and a complete lack of any sort of effective parenting, creates yet another generation of ineducable children, who will become just like their parents. It is unfortunate that this is now most prevalent in the black population (70% children born to single parent, no father in the picture) but applies equally to a lower socioeconomic white demographic though not as prevalent. The culture of single parents, low expectations, no job opportunities, poor education/teaching, attitude toward school, etc. has been aided and abetted by our tax money for at least 2 generations now, and the result is apparent in crime, etc. and a continuing drain on society. No amount of money is going to fix a cultural problem. --R On 12/23/11 11:32 AM, G Mann wrote: he concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. Incidentally, I called Roadside a couple times when my previous 1983 300TD wouldn't start at all despite glowing and cranking. The tech diagnosed the same exact problem, that was solved by loosening (also known as loosing or losing) and retightening the screws and cleaning the terminals. On 12/23/11, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Jill's been having persistent starting troubles on the Chicken Wagon, but all the GP's are (now) good. It cranks just fine, but won't start. Intermittently, according to her. To me it sounds like the GP's just aren't doing their job well. Today I had a chance to dig into it a little bit. I started by cleaning the relay connections and putting Caig Deoxit on them. I pulled the big fuse and it was good, but I still cleaned it off with a little wire brush and put it back together with Deoxit. I pulled the relay and took it to the bench, but it seemed to behave well there. (Interestingly, if the big fuse is not there the relay will buzz loudly after it times out, I wonder if that is deliberate? I'll look into that further later, it may be one of the system's self-diagnostic traits.) Back on the car I checked the GP current, it started out at a peak of 130A and dropped down to about 50A steady-state. The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! She had to go so I didn't get to dig into it further, but I imagine that either the feed end of the power wire to the relay is corroded or loose, or else the wire itself has been damaged somehow. I checked the ETM and found that C105 is where this wire supposedly originates, and that this is the three-terminal power block right next to the battery. I'd already loosened and tightened its three screws, and sprayed Deoxit on them, as part of what I'd first done, but nothing more. Next time. The car started beautifully, of course, but I'd had the block heater on while I was working on it, and of course the glow plugs had gotten run a fair bit while sleuthing. (The battery charger was on it all the time, to replenish the losses.) And it was parked inside. I _expected_ no trouble this time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
I am a recent advocate of texting, as my work does not allow me to get or make calls in most cases. Texting gives me a written record and allows me to respond when it's most convenient, as opposed to waiting until I can call and risk not getting a hold of the person. Dan On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: On Dec 23, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. Yeah I agree. It's a bit passive and disrespectful. I can see it both ways. Often I find texting to be more efficient than getting into a rambling conversation on the phone. Also easier to do in places where conversation might be disruptive or not appreciated (office settings, etc). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Incidentally, the Uber Genius told me that my 2008 MBP would be categorized as a vintage computer in a year, which means either that Apple will stop supporting it or that all recalls will no longer apply. On 12/23/11, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is illogical. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: logic board Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Not always such a disadvantage. I know of a guy raised by a single mom with an absentee dad who grew up to become President! Then there was the kid with the alcoholic and abusive dad who also ended up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You never know... On 12/23/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education system it is too late to do much in the way of educating them, you might be able to teach them something but that is not preparing them to learn on their own and to become truly educated. There is a vast difference between teaching and educating, bu the schools can do neither well if the parents have not prepared the children for the experience. Unfortunately this has a disparate effect on certain segments of society wherein having a child or 3 or 5 with no father in the household, and a complete lack of any sort of effective parenting, creates yet another generation of ineducable children, who will become just like their parents. It is unfortunate that this is now most prevalent in the black population (70% children born to single parent, no father in the picture) but applies equally to a lower socioeconomic white demographic though not as prevalent. The culture of single parents, low expectations, no job opportunities, poor education/teaching, attitude toward school, etc. has been aided and abetted by our tax money for at least 2 generations now, and the result is apparent in crime, etc. and a continuing drain on society. No amount of money is going to fix a cultural problem. --R On 12/23/11 11:32 AM, G Mann wrote: he concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. Apple has used the term since the Apple I. Motherboard was a term used by PC clone makers, I seem to remember. Logic board makes more sense, as the hardware logic used to operate the machine resides there. Besides, Jobs would have made something else up if everyone had used logic board for that part. Peter On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Incidentally, the Uber Genius told me that my 2008 MBP would be categorized as a vintage computer in a year, which means either that Apple will stop supporting it or that all recalls will no longer apply. On 12/23/11, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is illogical. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: logic board Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:07:09 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. The 114 (and 115) had two blowers, one for the AC and one for the heater. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:00:15 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Cooler temps? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:00:15 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Again it is the parent(s) (which might include the grandparents or other family in loco parentis) who instill a certain ethic in the child (reading, school, work, responsibility, integrity, honesty, etc.). A single parent can do that, and many do. A parent whose spouse is abusive or alcoholic or whatever can do that, and that is to be applauded. But when you have 70% of a population that is in the situation of a single mother parent, a substantial fraction of that population who herself has no ethic in that regard, as a result of the previous chain of generational culture, then you have big problem. Even at 10% or 20% of a population in that situation you have a huge problem, and we do. We all have that in our immediate neighborhoods, and you can observe the results first-hand. Throwing more money at the schools will never ever never make up for that, but changing how the schools approach it can have a positive effect IF the parents support them (see KIPP Academy -- same money more or less, hugely different result). --R On 12/23/11 1:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Not always such a disadvantage. I know of a guy raised by a single mom with an absentee dad who grew up to become President! Then there was the kid with the alcoholic and abusive dad who also ended up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You never know... On 12/23/11, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education system it is too late to do much in the way of educating them, you might be able to teach them something but that is not preparing them to learn on their own and to become truly educated. There is a vast difference between teaching and educating, bu the schools can do neither well if the parents have not prepared the children for the experience. Unfortunately this has a disparate effect on certain segments of society wherein having a child or 3 or 5 with no father in the household, and a complete lack of any sort of effective parenting, creates yet another generation of ineducable children, who will become just like their parents. It is unfortunate that this is now most prevalent in the black population (70% children born to single parent, no father in the picture) but applies equally to a lower socioeconomic white demographic though not as prevalent. The culture of single parents, low expectations, no job opportunities, poor education/teaching, attitude toward school, etc. has been aided and abetted by our tax money for at least 2 generations now, and the result is apparent in crime, etc. and a continuing drain on society. No amount of money is going to fix a cultural problem. --R On 12/23/11 11:32 AM, G Mann wrote: he concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
I agree completely but I feel that the initial conversation with a stranger should be a bit more formal- phone or email. Texts can follow. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a recent advocate of texting, as my work does not allow me to get or make calls in most cases. Texting gives me a written record and allows me to respond when it's most convenient, as opposed to waiting until I can call and risk not getting a hold of the person. Dan On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: On Dec 23, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. Yeah I agree. It's a bit passive and disrespectful. I can see it both ways. Often I find texting to be more efficient than getting into a rambling conversation on the phone. Also easier to do in places where conversation might be disruptive or not appreciated (office settings, etc). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
To pick nits, a '76 300D is a 115, not a 114 --- and the heater fan can be changed in 10 hours if you're willing to enlarge the speaker opening on top of the dash. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:07:09 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. The 114 (and 115) had two blowers, one for the AC and one for the heater. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Using those two examples rather makes the argument that such single parent raising is indeed failure. In the first example, I refer to the impeachment of same, and disbarment, even though not enforced by the Senate, it happened. Any credit for being a Rhodes Scholar is canceled by his well recorded lack of ethics, both social and political. In the second example, the POTUS of transparency, by executive order, on the first day in office sealed all birth, educational, and political records, so his scholastic preformance is NOT verifiable [except that in his book he quotes that he was not a good student]... As for his political and social ethics, examples abound of thug politician practices and breaches of his Oath of Office, [which he, by the way, flubbed on 20 Jan 2008 and had to retake in private]. As a pair they represent to me all in government I do NOT agree with and almost everything in personal ethics and social boundaries. With respect for your sovereign citizen right to hold your own opinion and express it, of course. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Not always such a disadvantage. I know of a guy raised by a single mom with an absentee dad who grew up to become President! Then there was the kid with the alcoholic and abusive dad who also ended up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You never know... On 12/23/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education system it is too late to do much in the way of educating them, you might be able to teach them something but that is not preparing them to learn on their own and to become truly educated. There is a vast difference between teaching and educating, bu the schools can do neither well if the parents have not prepared the children for the experience. Unfortunately this has a disparate effect on certain segments of society wherein having a child or 3 or 5 with no father in the household, and a complete lack of any sort of effective parenting, creates yet another generation of ineducable children, who will become just like their parents. It is unfortunate that this is now most prevalent in the black population (70% children born to single parent, no father in the picture) but applies equally to a lower socioeconomic white demographic though not as prevalent. The culture of single parents, low expectations, no job opportunities, poor education/teaching, attitude toward school, etc. has been aided and abetted by our tax money for at least 2 generations now, and the result is apparent in crime, etc. and a continuing drain on society. No amount of money is going to fix a cultural problem. --R On 12/23/11 11:32 AM, G Mann wrote: he concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: As a pair they represent to me all in government I do NOT agree with and almost everything in personal ethics and social boundaries. Agreed, but I don't think that the ethical high ground can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. Too many examples of ethical failure on both the right and the left. Power corrupts, and politians are human and With respect for your sovereign citizen right to hold your own opinion and express it, of course. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Not always such a disadvantage. I know of a guy raised by a single mom with an absentee dad who grew up to become President! Then there was the kid with the alcoholic and abusive dad who also ended up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You never know... On 12/23/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education system it is too late to do much in the way of educating them, you might be able to teach them something but that is not preparing them to learn on their own and to become truly educated. There is a vast difference between teaching and educating, bu the schools can do neither well if the parents have not prepared the children for the experience. Unfortunately this has a disparate effect on certain segments of society wherein having a child or 3 or 5 with no father in the household, and a complete lack of any sort of effective parenting, creates yet another generation of ineducable children, who will become just like their parents. It is unfortunate that this is now most prevalent in the black population (70% children born to single parent, no father in the picture) but applies equally to a lower socioeconomic white demographic though not as prevalent. The culture of single parents, low expectations, no job opportunities, poor education/teaching, attitude toward school, etc. has been aided and abetted by our tax money for at least 2 generations now, and the result is apparent in crime, etc. and a continuing drain on society. No amount of money is going to fix a cultural problem. --R On 12/23/11 11:32 AM, G Mann wrote: he concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: As a pair they represent to me all in government I do NOT agree with and almost everything in personal ethics and social boundaries. Agreed, but I don't think that the ethical high ground can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. Too many examples of ethical failure on both the right and the left. Power corrupts, and politians are human and subject to corruption. (I hit 'send' before I finished my reply the first time). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. 'Took it out for short cruise on new bypass; 'sure cruises nicely at 85; so smooth it feels like flying Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
Point well made and fully taken. Disgust is fast becoming the most common sentiment towards our elected persons, on both sides of the isle. Congress: The only two houses in America that need foreclosed. And that is just a starting point. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: As a pair they represent to me all in government I do NOT agree with and almost everything in personal ethics and social boundaries. Agreed, but I don't think that the ethical high ground can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. Too many examples of ethical failure on both the right and the left. Power corrupts, and politians are human and With respect for your sovereign citizen right to hold your own opinion and express it, of course. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:06 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Not always such a disadvantage. I know of a guy raised by a single mom with an absentee dad who grew up to become President! Then there was the kid with the alcoholic and abusive dad who also ended up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You never know... On 12/23/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education system it is too late to do much in the way of educating them, you might be able to teach them something but that is not preparing them to learn on their own and to become truly educated. There is a vast difference between teaching and educating, bu the schools can do neither well if the parents have not prepared the children for the experience. Unfortunately this has a disparate effect on certain segments of society wherein having a child or 3 or 5 with no father in the household, and a complete lack of any sort of effective parenting, creates yet another generation of ineducable children, who will become just like their parents. It is unfortunate that this is now most prevalent in the black population (70% children born to single parent, no father in the picture) but applies equally to a lower socioeconomic white demographic though not as prevalent. The culture of single parents, low expectations, no job opportunities, poor education/teaching, attitude toward school, etc. has been aided and abetted by our tax money for at least 2 generations now, and the result is apparent in crime, etc. and a continuing drain on society. No amount of money is going to fix a cultural problem. --R On 12/23/11 11:32 AM, G Mann wrote: he concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
WILTON wrote: 'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. Do you know why? Did it begin working before you removed the plug(s)? Or is 62F warmer than during the trouble? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
A similarly priced HP workstation would get a 3 year ON SITE warranty... I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:00:00 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CAC35L=ud49hiviuy7wt+wcou2txejq5l-uhgeolw4awyc9u...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Incidentally, the Uber Genius told me that my 2008 MBP would be categorized as a vintage computer in a year, which means either that Apple will stop supporting it or that all recalls will no longer apply. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:38:37 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Cooler temps? ;)) Yeah, that might have something to do with it! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking For an MB (Again)
There is nothing more expensive to maintain about a 124 v a 123 or 126. On 12/21/2011 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Have already seen these cars on CL. No projects - I don't have the time or the space for a project - I need a decent runner with minimal issues. I am leery of the W124 mainly due to evaporator issues and the increased costs to repair/maintain compared to a W123 or W126. V-8s are right out - he couldn't afford to drive the car with a V-8. Thanks, Dan On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I would add that I would LOVE to find him a 300SE (W126) to drive. I love those cars and I could deal with that easily. How about a W124 instead? You can still fix those. http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/2753802674.html Coupe project, good price. http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/2726866391.html Needs tires and A/C: (and a lower price) http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/2761018174.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
I think you should do a class on that at the next OkieQ On 12/23/2011 3:33 PM, OK Don wrote: To pick nits, a '76 300D is a 115, not a 114 --- and the heater fan can be changed in 10 hours if you're willing to enlarge the speaker opening on top of the dash. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:07:09 -0500 Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. The 114 (and 115) had two blowers, one for the AC and one for the heater. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
Having done this per the factory procedure, I would suggest that if you're going to spend 10 hours doing it through the speaker opening you might as well do it the right way. If you're even remotely competent, you can do the RR in 10 hours. Dan (who has the scars to show for it) On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I think you should do a class on that at the next OkieQ On 12/23/2011 3:33 PM, OK Don wrote: To pick nits, a '76 300D is a 115, not a 114 --- and the heater fan can be changed in 10 hours if you're willing to enlarge the speaker opening on top of the dash. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:07:09 -0500 Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. The 114 (and 115) had two blowers, one for the AC and one for the heater. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
It's warmer. 10 degrees or so. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL WILTON wrote: 'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. Do you know why? Did it begin working before you removed the plug(s)? Or is 62F warmer than during the trouble? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
'Sposed to go dwn to 30 tonight; we'll see what it does in the morning. BTW, 'removed only #1 plug. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL It's warmer. 10 degrees or so. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL WILTON wrote: 'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. Do you know why? Did it begin working before you removed the plug(s)? Or is 62F warmer than during the trouble? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Color management on a Mac is doable, if not exactly easy. On a Windoze machine, you simply MUST have calibration equipment that is very expensive and difficult to use, and even then it's no better than Colorsync. Microsoft support for color matching seems to be essentially not present, and of no interest to MS. Apple was early into the desktop publishing/graphics world, and it's fairly rare to see anything but Macs in graphics departments. It can be done in Windoze, but it's neither as good nor as easy (read fast and less expensive). Not that Apple hardware doesn't have it's quirks. Peter On Dec 23, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
Sounds good! What caused the problem is still unknown. A good 126 is indeed a pleasure to drive. To me it is still the best highway car ever made. 'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. 'Took it out for short cruise on new bypass; 'sure cruises nicely at 85; so smooth it feels like flying Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
Ode to the 126 SDL and SD In this case, named Rudy In your best Gene Autry voice To the tune of Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer Rudy the Big Long MB Had a very steady ride And if you ever drove it You would even say its smooth All of the other MBs Are really great to drive Diesel will last far longer Than any gasser Benz Have some fun! Make up new verses. © 2011 Dieselhead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can easily correct for it with the video card's software. If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. Then you wait and they return it to you at some point. Or rather you schlep BACK to the Apple store and pick up your machine. If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes reasonably nice computers but their support stinks. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CABHyH=b0qjbbhszh0xjjj0tcfs8ef16rs-i7kjgnxvhed-j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
That said, I also avoid buying any car where the seller requests texts! Call me old fashioned, but I do send several hundred texts a month, many for business, and many overseas. My point is, very little can be accomplished via text message in the case of selling a car. Jaime On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows air, but claimed that a relay can be replaced in 1/14th the time required to replace your dead blower. (if the blower were not dead, you would have said so in message number one) Oh, and Jaime, lots of sellers today say 'no emails, text or call xxx-xxx-', and some of those might work at a place that doesn't allow cell phones, but they answer texts on their lunch hour. If your preference is voice, say so and say when the best time to call you is. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
I'd rather find my may to an Apple store if the laptop fails that deal with Windows any more than I have to. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can easily correct for it with the video card's software. If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. Then you wait and they return it to you at some point. Or rather you schlep BACK to the Apple store and pick up your machine. If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes reasonably nice computers but their support stinks. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CABHyH=b0qjbbhszh0xjjj0tcfs8ef16rs-i7kjgnxvhed-j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
Dieselhead wrote: Sounds good! What caused the problem is still unknown. I recall a few years ago, somebody had problems starting a diesel whenever they parked the car nose-up, particularly when the fuel level in the tank was low. Seemed random before they made the connection to gravity. Turned out to be an air leak, I believe. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Curt Raymond wrote: If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. I thought if you were working professionally with a Mac and it fails, you get out the spare Mac, sort of like keeping a spare tire in your trunk. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
That depends. If you are a corporate or education customer, there are qualified VARs that provide support. And as an HP certified technician who used to support a part of a 40,000+ node enterprise, I can tell you that the guy who comes to fix your HP stuff is most likely not an HP employee, but a VAR that provides third party support for them. I have not been impressed with the level of service for HP VARs. one of the reasons we certify in-house. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can easily correct for it with the video card's software. If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. Then you wait and they return it to you at some point. Or rather you schlep BACK to the Apple store and pick up your machine. If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes reasonably nice computers but their support stinks. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CABHyH=b0qjbbhszh0xjjj0tcfs8ef16rs-i7kjgnxvhed-j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
There are independents who will come to your site and often have loaners if the repair requires waiting for parts. I have never been to a Apple Store, and I don't care to. I know a couple of good independents that I trust far more than the company schmucks. Apple is a pain when the main board fails. Other than that, Anything else I can get parts for and fix. If you use Macs old enough, you can get logic boards from SHreve systems or fleabag fleabay. Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can easily correct for it with the video card's software. If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. Then you wait and they return it to you at some point. Or rather you schlep BACK to the Apple store and pick up your machine. If your HP fails HP sends a guy to you who fixes it... Apple makes reasonably nice computers but their support stinks. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure Message-ID: CABHyH=b0qjbbhszh0xjjj0tcfs8ef16rs-i7kjgnxvhed-j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly done on Macs, for example, beyond just blind loyalty to the platform. I'm reliably informed by a desktop-publisher friend that Windows support for screen-to-paper color accuracy is almost nonexistent. There are plenty of other examples. Microsoft just doesn't care enough to address certain niche markets where Apple took an early lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL
yep! Dieselhead wrote: Sounds good! What caused the problem is still unknown. I recall a few years ago, somebody had problems starting a diesel whenever they parked the car nose-up, particularly when the fuel level in the tank was low. Seemed random before they made the connection to gravity. Turned out to be an air leak, I believe. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
We used Wintel boxes in the graphics department until we got the honking color Xerox machine, then went to Macs for the color management. The Macs have been no more reliable nor less prone to crashes than Windows, but the color management is better. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Color management on a Mac is doable, if not exactly easy. On a Windoze machine, you simply MUST have calibration equipment that is very expensive and difficult to use, and even then it's no better than Colorsync. Microsoft support for color matching seems to be essentially not present, and of no interest to MS. Apple was early into the desktop publishing/graphics world, and it's fairly rare to see anything but Macs in graphics departments. It can be done in Windoze, but it's neither as good nor as easy (read fast and less expensive). Not that Apple hardware doesn't have it's quirks. Peter -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
For those who don't know what color matching is and means, it's the ability to reproduce the image on the screen exactly in print, taking into account all the variations inherent in monitors, illumination, and reproduction devices. It's a huge problem in photo reproduction (printing images for magazines, posters, flyers, etc) where image color reproduction is fairly critical. There are quite enough difficulties when you can actually develop a translation file or ICC file for each device in the chain and have software that can use them. Without that ability, life becomes very difficult and great amounts of money and time are spend adjusting each stage of the process to get a finished product that looks like the screen image (or artist's intent). An OS that isn't aware of color profiles makes the job nearly impossible. Macs have had color sync software to do this job as long as I can remember. It was cranky in OS 9 and earlier, nearly transparent in OS X. Database management, on the other hand, is a foreign concept to Apple for some reason. Peter On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:26 PM, OK Don wrote: We used Wintel boxes in the graphics department until we got the honking color Xerox machine, then went to Macs for the color management. The Macs have been no more reliable nor less prone to crashes than Windows, but the color management is better. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Color management on a Mac is doable, if not exactly easy. On a Windoze machine, you simply MUST have calibration equipment that is very expensive and difficult to use, and even then it's no better than Colorsync. Microsoft support for color matching seems to be essentially not present, and of no interest to MS. Apple was early into the desktop publishing/graphics world, and it's fairly rare to see anything but Macs in graphics departments. It can be done in Windoze, but it's neither as good nor as easy (read fast and less expensive). Not that Apple hardware doesn't have it's quirks. Peter -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
OK Don wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: a failure of culture and society to value education BINGO! We have a winner! Yes, a winner - thanks R. Keeping in mind that the operators of education say that education is their goal, but watch out how that is implemented and at what cost. That is the issue of this dialog. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton
--R wrote: Throwing more money at the schools will never ever never make up for that... Read The Law written in 1848 by Frederic Bastiat. It is available online as a pdf. It is a short pamphlet describing exactly what you say. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Yep, then there is dell that will let you talk to somebody in India. And then there are the times they (Hp, Dell or ?) claim it is the OS. Call M$ and you get to talk to somebody in India. If you get get them to escalate, then you get to talk to another schmuck in india the next day. After wasting days and money, you end up wiping the drive and installing the OS and all software again, then it is hours of downloading, restarting and whatnot to get all the updates. Yes, OS 10 and the hardware have some idiosyncrasies, but M$ and generic hardware have a LOT of idiosyncrasies Only time I have reloaded OS 10 is after a drive dies. Same drives as in generic PC hardware (Well maybe Apple uses higher MTBF drives. They don't use bottom of the barrel drives.) That depends. If you are a corporate or education customer, there are qualified VARs that provide support. And as an HP certified technician who used to support a part of a 40,000+ node enterprise, I can tell you that the guy who comes to fix your HP stuff is most likely not an HP employee, but a VAR that provides third party support for them. I have not been impressed with the level of service for HP VARs. one of the reasons we certify in-house. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
I purchased my Mac in October 2007 and have never reinstalled the OS. I've upgraded the OS a few times, and copied it to a new hard drive when I upgraded to a larger one, but never reinstalled :-) The laptop was thinner and lighter (especially the power supply) than the 17 Dell I was issued at the time. I was fortunate to work for a company that let me use my personal laptop for work and they let me return the Dell. It saved them money and saved me the headaches of dealing with Windows on a regular basis. :-) Brian On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, then there is dell that will let you talk to somebody in India. And then there are the times they (Hp, Dell or ?) claim it is the OS. Call M$ and you get to talk to somebody in India. If you get get them to escalate, then you get to talk to another schmuck in india the next day. After wasting days and money, you end up wiping the drive and installing the OS and all software again, then it is hours of downloading, restarting and whatnot to get all the updates. Yes, OS 10 and the hardware have some idiosyncrasies, but M$ and generic hardware have a LOT of idiosyncrasies Only time I have reloaded OS 10 is after a drive dies. Same drives as in generic PC hardware (Well maybe Apple uses higher MTBF drives. They don't use bottom of the barrel drives.) That depends. If you are a corporate or education customer, there are qualified VARs that provide support. And as an HP certified technician who used to support a part of a 40,000+ node enterprise, I can tell you that the guy who comes to fix your HP stuff is most likely not an HP employee, but a VAR that provides third party support for them. I have not been impressed with the level of service for HP VARs. one of the reasons we certify in-house. Dan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The IP to block oring is important to replace. i coat it with just a little RTV to make sure it stays in place for assembly. I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Calipers and anti-lock brakes
They'll probably bleed just fine. Pressure bleeder is required to change the fluid held by the ABS pump and plumbing. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. Apple has used the term since the Apple I. Motherboard was a term used by PC clone makers, I seem to remember. It's an easy distinction. Both the Apple II, and its later pseudo-clone IBM PC, had card slots. The Apple, at least, did not require any cards at all in order to work. It wasn't really a mother board, in that the daughters were entirely optional. (Though not uncommon.) The IBM PC, on the other hand, required a video card at the very least, and so would qualify as a mother board. I don't know (or remember) if, say, the S-100 bus board in the computers we made at my first job would qualify as motherboard. It was a board, it had daughters, but there was no logic on it... Today we'd say backplane, because they're always rack-mounted vertically. The ones I'm working on lately can sell in the $200,000-$2,000,000 range. Each. Some of the same SW I've worked on lately is in boxes that retail for about $250. That spread is kind of weird... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. It's a 1983 300D. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates
Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. No correlation at all, really. Not on that model. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
