date:20130705

On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:43 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> I have a LawnBoy push mower that uses 32:1 mix, and a trimmer that uses
> 50:1 mix.  As it would be more convenient to not have two separate cans
> of pre-mixed fuel, and especially as the trimmer uses very little, can I
> use the 32:1 in the trimmer?  Will it do anything bad such a fouling the
> spark plug?

The added oil displaces fuel causing it to run lean. If it calls for 50:1, use 
50:1. 
I might try the 50:1 in the Lawnboy, if you are using good synthetic oil made 
for air cooled engines. I use Stihl synthetic and I am pleased with it. Do NOT 
use outboard oil in an air cooled engine. It is a totally different 
formula/application. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:12 PM, "Rusty Cullens"  wrote:

> 
> You hit it right Rick

Don't tell my kids. They think dad is dumb. 

> . I talked to Trent's brother tonite. He got shafted for 24k. Me. A few 
> more bucks.

Ugh. That does suck. 

> My customers got the big shaft and for that I apologize.

Apology accepted, but it's not your fault. 

> I probably should have just shut Bimby down.

Nah. Should've sold it to me. I'd've put Mao to work on the web and phones and 
then he couldn't complain about not having work anymore. :D

>I miss all my customers but as I said 4 >months ago I had to take care of me.

Wise decision, especially in light of the coming changes in the health care 
system. Health insurance costs are going up. 

>I will endorse Gary because he does >care for older Mercedes, but I will not 
>>agree that he has my knowledge of >the car in general. My issues with him 
>>are over, I have moved on.

That says a lot. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1

Bowden cable. I started having problems tonight. It just would NOT shift out of 
1st (maybe 2nd?). Flipped the Bowden lever on the linkage a couple times, it is 
back to shifting fine. 

Rick
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On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:40 PM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:

> I am late to chime in but has anyone mentioned to make sure the kickdown
> switch under the throttle pedal is coming back up and functioning properly?

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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

My biggest problem with Autohaus AZ is slow shipping. 

Rick
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On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:12 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> Try autohausaz I just ordered from them, my 3rd order no issues at all. 

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[MBZ] OT finally a good use for spoilers


http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/31125
See they are useful.

Hendrik
who does not have spoilers
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[MBZ] No more R in Oz


http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/39EE958A9F13B368CA257B8A0022BE7C

Hendrik
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[MBZ] Volkswagen's slippery XL1

2013-07-05 Thread OK Don

Another review of the new VW --

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/blog--beating-the-man-in-volkswagens-slippery-xl1?icid=autos_4497>1=22021

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo One for Henifay

"Maybe 450 horsepowers, 820nm."Wow!  I want one.

Mike
On Jul 5, 2013 10:46 PM, "Hendrik and Fay"  wrote:

> "It is not opened" "403 horsepowers"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=YlwTxw-027o&feature=c4-**
> overview&playnext=1&list=**TLRQDTBan8DNA
> Although he has now gone to S203
>
> Hendrik
> who has opened his engine
>
> On 06/07/13 12:06, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>> Those wacky Finns use ceramic coated piston tops, and indirect injection
>> engines are much less likely to melt pistons anyway.
>>
>> You are correct, though -- requires full power to melt them in the usual
>> course of events.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

So what did Trent's brother say the problem is?  If he has a $24k nut in the 
game he must have some idea of the guy's story.  And must have Had some 
confidence in the guy.

This whole deal is screwy.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jul 5, 2013, at 10:14 PM, "Rusty Cullens"  wrote:

You hit it right Rick. I talked to Trent's brother tonite. He got shafted for 
24k. Me. A few more bucks. My customers got the big shaft and for that I 
apologize. I probably should have just shut Bimby down. Hindsight is 20/20. 
Once again I apologize for this, I will endorse Gary because he does care for 
older Mercedes, but I will not agree that he has my knowledge of the car in 
general. My issues with him are over, I have moved on. I miss all my customers 
but as I said 4 months ago I had to take care of me. I have, and will continue 
to answer anyone's email. 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

On Jul 5, 2013, at 5:58 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:07:15 -0400 "Rusty Cullens"
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think he has gone away
> 
> Which is really sad.

For several reasons. 
One, the bimby name is done. Rusty AND Gary's labor of passion is no more. 
Two, Rusty's name may have been tarnished a bit by this clown. 
Three, I think this Trent fellow tried. He got so overwhelmed so quick he 
didn't know which end was up and had some kind of melt down. 
Lastly, and the most selfish reason is  sourcing of parts. I guess I will try 
Jabba on my next order. I am a cheap feller though...

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo One for Henifay


"It is not opened" "403 horsepowers"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlwTxw-027o&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TLRQDTBan8DNA
Although he has now gone to S203

Hendrik
who has opened his engine

On 06/07/13 12:06, Peter Frederick wrote:
Those wacky Finns use ceramic coated piston tops, and indirect 
injection engines are much less likely to melt pistons anyway.


You are correct, though -- requires full power to melt them in the 
usual course of events.


Peter




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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1

I am late to chime in but has anyone mentioned to make sure the kickdown
switch under the throttle pedal is coming back up and functioning properly?

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo One for Henifay

Those wacky Finns use ceramic coated piston tops, and indirect  
injection engines are much less likely to melt pistons anyway.


You are correct, though -- requires full power to melt them in the  
usual course of events.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

2013-07-05 Thread Rusty Cullens

You hit it right Rick. I talked to Trent's brother tonite. He got shafted for 
24k. Me. A few more bucks. My customers got the big shaft and for that I 
apologize. I probably should have just shut Bimby down. Hindsight is 20/20. 
Once again I apologize for this, I will endorse Gary because he does care for 
older Mercedes, but I will not agree that he has my knowledge of the car in 
general. My issues with him are over, I have moved on. I miss all my customers 
but as I said 4 months ago I had to take care of me. I have, and will continue 
to answer anyone's email. 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

On Jul 5, 2013, at 5:58 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:07:15 -0400 "Rusty Cullens"
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think he has gone away
> 
> Which is really sad.

For several reasons. 
One, the bimby name is done. Rusty AND Gary's labor of passion is no more. 
Two, Rusty's name may have been tarnished a bit by this clown. 
Three, I think this Trent fellow tried. He got so overwhelmed so quick he 
didn't know which end was up and had some kind of melt down. 
Lastly, and the most selfish reason is  sourcing of parts. I guess I will try 
Jabba on my next order. I am a cheap feller though...

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

2013-07-05 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Try autohausaz I just ordered from them, my 3rd order no issues at all. 

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> 
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 5:58 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:07:15 -0400 "Rusty Cullens"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think he has gone away
>> 
>> Which is really sad.
> 
> 
> For several reasons. 
> One, the bimby name is done. Rusty AND Gary's labor of passion is no more. 
> Two, Rusty's name may have been tarnished a bit by this clown. 
> Three, I think this Trent fellow tried. He got so overwhelmed so quick he 
> didn't know which end was up and had some kind of melt down. 
> Lastly, and the most selfish reason is  sourcing of parts. I guess I will try 
> Jabba on my next order. I am a cheap feller though...
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject) ML320


I take it you are thinking about a ML320?
If you are, don't, better off to go for a later one.
http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/mercedes-benz/m-class/1999/single-page/
Apparently the cup holders break
I am starting to see early ML come into my price bracket but I have a 
read of that and move on.


Hendrik
who has a 2 wheel drive seven seater early type SUV

On 30/06/13 01:37, ALLEN D SAWYER wrote:

I am considering the purchase of a 1999 MN 320.  What are the problems  with 
this SUV?
ADS




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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1


I am presuming the mechanic changed the oil and filter?
The valve body can be removed and disassembled/inspected.
Another valve body could be found to see if it is the problem.
Lot easier to R and R the valve body than the entire transmission.

Anyway first thing is to see what the fluid is like and see if there are 
nasties in the pan, if there then yes it's time for a rebuild or such.
You would be surprised how junk these boxes can put up with before 
calling it a day, which is the reason I always have a laugh when people 
go fully anal about a clean dipstick.


Hendrik
who has mucked around with valve bodies

On 05/07/13 13:03, Frederick Moir wrote:

Broken B2 piston?
  
Fred Moir

Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




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Subject: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission


To all,
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift up 
from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't 
feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's age, 
etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Roger Hale



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Re: [MBZ] About 9 months ago?'


I was expecting a different ending, ha! Good one!

Hope you had a great 4th! :-)


--
Chris J.
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'85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E

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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

On Jul 5, 2013, at 5:58 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:07:15 -0400 "Rusty Cullens"
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think he has gone away
> 
> Which is really sad.

For several reasons. 
One, the bimby name is done. Rusty AND Gary's labor of passion is no more. 
Two, Rusty's name may have been tarnished a bit by this clown. 
Three, I think this Trent fellow tried. He got so overwhelmed so quick he 
didn't know which end was up and had some kind of melt down. 
Lastly, and the most selfish reason is  sourcing of parts. I guess I will try 
Jabba on my next order. I am a cheap feller though...

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:12 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:

> I may take it to the stealer - sounds like it may be beyond me - I could 
> maybe do it but need pictures of what I'm looking for but cannot find 
> anything in the WSM so far

If you'd like I can send a video or pictures off list. I have a 92 300D. 
You may be hard pressed to find a dealer that know these cars. 
Rick
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[MBZ] Spent some time in heaven this evening

Got to meet a guy who lives up the road who has a fairly significant car and 
motorcycle collection.A number of Porsches, coupla Cooper works Minis, 
Ferrari, Shelby Mustang (one of the last new ones), a GT40 clone and a new 
GT40, an E-Type, a Caterham, a Lotus Exige, some sort of little open racing 
thing that apparently recently won the Atlanta race in some class (he drove), 
and some others I forget.  I am not familiar with the motorcycles but there 
were a coupla Triumphs and some racing bikes, and various other things.

He was a really nice guy, has done a lot of racing and instruction.  I need to 
get to know him better.

--R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless? Clueless


Not so, 93/94 marked the end of carburetted Merc engines.
Hence no need to distinguish between injected and non injected.
Far as lineage goes, it does not entirely matter but the S class started 
in the pontoon as well, with the super roundies.
You could also argue that the smaller engined ones are the predecessor 
of the C class.


Hendrik
who has an E class

On 05/07/13 23:34, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:


Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from
the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided
people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started
calling the large sedans "S Class", the mid sized ones "E Class" and the
small ones "C Class".



The 1994 model year was when the Great Renaming took place and the current
"Class" system was established.   The 190E (whose model number had never
reflected its displacement anyway in the USA where we never got the
1.9-liter gas four) was replaced by the C220, the 300E became the E320, the
300SE became the S320, and so on.

It seems clear in hindsight (to me, at least) that the marketeers were
trying to make M-B cars more directly comparable to Lexus and Infiniti,
both of whose badges lineups originally used a strict letter-number system
where the letter indicated body style and the number was engine size
(ES300, Q45, and so on).

Alex



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Re: [MBZ] Turbo One for Henifay


Hendrik and Fay wrote:
However if I was doing something like that I would be installing an oil 
cooler after the oil comes out of the turbo bearings.


I believe Mercedes cools it after it goes through the oil pump and filter, so 
it's at its coldest when it goes to the turbo bearings.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo One for Henifay

The thing about melting pistons is to do with the load on the engine, 
from memory I read an article on melting pistons ages ago and the gist 
of it was that it only happens if the engine is being worked hard at 
it's limit for an extended time.
So yeah if you where pulling a caravan up a steepish hill for a while, 
you could melt the pistons but for general light duty, it should be OK.
I would be wary if this was done to a station wagon, a full wagon up a 
hill would work the 4 banger hard.
Another thing is the amount of boost going in? Consider those whacky 
Finns and their huge truck turbos, they don't seem to have issues with 
melting pistons, oil jets or not.
However if I was doing something like that I would be installing an oil 
cooler after the oil comes out of the turbo bearings.


Hendrik
who will not be buying the 240CD

On 05/07/13 07:58, OK Don wrote:

Exactly! There other differences besides just the piston cooling oil jets,
but that's one of the most significant. "you WILL melt your PISTONS".


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets to
cool the pistons?

Alex







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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D


Yes.  Remove the air filter housing they are right there.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-05 Thread WILTON

Doesn't he mean, under the filter box and on top of and by right front inner 
fender - in engine compartment?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry T" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

I may take it to the stealer - sounds like it may be beyond me - I could 
maybe do it but need pictures of what I'm looking for but cannot find 
anything in the WSM so far. I'm trying the parts websites in hopes of 
finding one there so I will know what I'm looking for.

You said "under the fender. "  I don't recall anything under there but 
will look as you suggest...

Thanks again for your help :-)

LarryT

On 7/5/2013 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
The switchover valves are behind the air filter box, under the fender. 
On that model, there are three, one for the boost controller, one for the 
EGR, and one for the tuning flap in the intake, I believe.  If any have 
failed, you are in "limp mode" -- no boost, no extra fuel, basically a NA 
engine with a dead turbo stuck in the intake.  They must hold vacuum when 
energized, so must the various things they are attached to.

They are electrical switches that operate vacuum valves, so you must 
verify that the vacuum holds and that they switch as they should.

You also need to check the over-boost protection switchover valve on the 
firewall on the driver's side.  There is a line that goes from the intake 
manifold (next to the overboost switch) to the over-boost protection 
valve and from there to the ALDA and the vacuum amplifier for the 
transission.  All that tubing must be clear, not filled with oil, and 
hold pressure.  It's not unheard of for the over-boost switch to blow out 
and leak all the boost signal off.  You can test it by attaching a clean 
line to the valve in place of the one from the manifold and blowing into 
it. If air blows out the top of the valve, it's shot (engine off, of 
course) and if the pressure leaks out somewhere else, fix that too. 
Don't replace the dampers in the lines with plain tubing, it can cause 
surging due to erratic pressure to the ALDA.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-05 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

You are farting in a whirl wind. You have to follow the step by step 
troubleshooting steps in the manual. Looking for parts at random is going to be 
a big waste of time. Could be any of a million different things.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 52013, at 7:12 PM, Larry T  wrote:

> I may take it to the stealer - sounds like it may be beyond me - I could 
> maybe do it but need pictures of what I'm looking for but cannot find 
> anything in the WSM so far. I'm trying the parts websites in hopes of 
> finding one there so I will know what I'm looking for.
> 
> You said "under the fender. "  I don't recall anything under there but will 
> look as you suggest...
> 
> Thanks again for your help :-)
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 7/5/2013 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>> The switchover valves are behind the air filter box, under the fender.  On 
>> that model, there are three, one for the boost controller, one for the EGR, 
>> and one for the tuning flap in the intake, I believe.  If any have failed, 
>> you are in "limp mode" -- no boost, no extra fuel, basically a NA engine 
>> with a dead turbo stuck in the intake.  They must hold vacuum when 
>> energized, so must the various things they are attached to.
>> 
>> They are electrical switches that operate vacuum valves, so you must verify 
>> that the vacuum holds and that they switch as they should.
>> 
>> You also need to check the over-boost protection switchover valve on the 
>> firewall on the driver's side.  There is a line that goes from the intake 
>> manifold (next to the overboost switch) to the over-boost protection valve 
>> and from there to the ALDA and the vacuum amplifier for the transission.  
>> All that tubing must be clear, not filled with oil, and hold pressure.  It's 
>> not unheard of for the over-boost switch to blow out and leak all the boost 
>> signal off.  You can test it by attaching a clean line to the valve in place 
>> of the one from the manifold and blowing into it. If air blows out the top 
>> of the valve, it's shot (engine off, of course) and if the pressure leaks 
>> out somewhere else, fix that too.  Don't replace the dampers in the lines 
>> with plain tubing, it can cause surging due to erratic pressure to the ALDA.
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-05 Thread Dwight Giles

under the square air cleaner. There are about 9 vacuum pods under there.
As Peter said several that need need to be tested.

On Friday, July 5, 2013, Larry T  wrote:
> I may take it to the stealer - sounds like it may be beyond me - I could
maybe do it but need pictures of what I'm looking for but cannot find
anything in the WSM so far. I'm trying the parts websites in hopes of
finding one there so I will know what I'm looking for.
>
> You said "under the fender. "  I don't recall anything under there but
will look as you suggest...
>
> Thanks again for your help :-)
>
> LarryT
>
> On 7/5/2013 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>>
>> The switchover valves are behind the air filter box, under the fender.
 On that model, there are three, one for the boost controller, one for the
EGR, and one for the tuning flap in the intake, I believe.  If any have
failed, you are in "limp mode" -- no boost, no extra fuel, basically a NA
engine with a dead turbo stuck in the intake.  They must hold vacuum when
energized, so must the various things they are attached to.
>>
>> They are electrical switches that operate vacuum valves, so you must
verify that the vacuum holds and that they switch as they should.
>>
>> You also need to check the over-boost protection switchover valve on the
firewall on the driver's side.  There is a line that goes from the intake
manifold (next to the overboost switch) to the over-boost protection valve
and from there to the ALDA and the vacuum amplifier for the transission.
 All that tubing must be clear, not filled with oil, and hold pressure.
 It's not unheard of for the over-boost switch to blow out and leak all the
boost signal off.  You can test it by attaching a clean line to the valve
in place of the one from the manifold and blowing into it. If air blows out
the top of the valve, it's shot (engine off, of course) and if the pressure
leaks out somewhere else, fix that too.  Don't replace the dampers in the
lines with plain tubing, it can cause surging due to erratic pressure to
the ALDA.
>>
>> Peter
>>
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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

I may take it to the stealer - sounds like it may be beyond me - I could 
maybe do it but need pictures of what I'm looking for but cannot find 
anything in the WSM so far. I'm trying the parts websites in hopes 
of finding one there so I will know what I'm looking for.


You said "under the fender. "  I don't recall anything under there but 
will look as you suggest...


Thanks again for your help :-)

LarryT

On 7/5/2013 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
The switchover valves are behind the air filter box, under the 
fender.  On that model, there are three, one for the boost controller, 
one for the EGR, and one for the tuning flap in the intake, I 
believe.  If any have failed, you are in "limp mode" -- no boost, no 
extra fuel, basically a NA engine with a dead turbo stuck in the 
intake.  They must hold vacuum when energized, so must the various 
things they are attached to.


They are electrical switches that operate vacuum valves, so you must 
verify that the vacuum holds and that they switch as they should.


You also need to check the over-boost protection switchover valve on 
the firewall on the driver's side.  There is a line that goes from the 
intake manifold (next to the overboost switch) to the over-boost 
protection valve and from there to the ALDA and the vacuum amplifier 
for the transission.  All that tubing must be clear, not filled with 
oil, and hold pressure.  It's not unheard of for the over-boost switch 
to blow out and leak all the boost signal off.  You can test it by 
attaching a clean line to the valve in place of the one from the 
manifold and blowing into it. If air blows out the top of the valve, 
it's shot (engine off, of course) and if the pressure leaks out 
somewhere else, fix that too.  Don't replace the dampers in the lines 
with plain tubing, it can cause surging due to erratic pressure to the 
ALDA.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?

2013-07-05 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel


At 3:48 AM -0400 7/5/13, Chris James wrote:

Is anyone else following the new CLA?


FWD?  FTS.

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

I did clean the intake when I had to pull the head for a coolant leak. I 
also found out the the engine wire harness is a real issue also.

-Original Message- 
From: Mitch Haley

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 7:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Yep! No Turbo in my car, which I thought was strange when I bought it.

The 124 diesel went from 147 hp turbo 603, to nonexistent, to 126 hp turbo 
602,
to 134 hp 24v 606 with variable intake tuning. When USA version of OM606 
finally

got a turbo in 1998, it came with an intercooler and 174hp.
(BTW, Bob, how sooty are your intake butterflies?)
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300


rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Yep! No Turbo in my car, which I thought was strange when I bought it.



The 124 diesel went from 147 hp turbo 603, to nonexistent, to 126 hp turbo 602, 
to 134 hp 24v 606 with variable intake tuning. When USA version of OM606 finally 
got a turbo in 1998, it came with an intercooler and 174hp.

(BTW, Bob, how sooty are your intake butterflies?)
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic

Only if I can keep the rust at bay. It did spend most of its life out in 
California, but being in Ohio there is more salt.  Maybe I should get my 82 
300D back on the road.


Regards,

Robert Massmann
1995 E300D 375 Kmiles
Oregonia, Ohio

-Original Message- 
From: Chris James

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 1:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic

That's a beautiful Emerald Green E300D SE! Some CL & eBay sellers should
see it & take note of what a NICE car actually looks like! ;-)


In time, looks like you'll have someone to pass it on to! :-)


Thanks!


--
Chris J.
MBCA Peachtree section
Past MB Models:
'85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300


Yep! No Turbo in my car, which I thought was strange when I bought it.

Robert Massmann
1995 E300D 375 Kmiles
Oregonia Ohio

-Original Message- 
From: Alex Chamberlain 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:41 PM 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:



On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


How much do you want for it?  I'll give you $500.

Dan collecting W140 chassis cars now



I don't think it's a 140 but an E320 Special Edition (made only in '95 to
commemorate the last year of the 124 chassis IIRC).



Or an E300 normally aspirated 606 diesel Special Edition, which is pretty
rare.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

2013-07-05 Thread Craig

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:07:15 -0400 "Rusty Cullens"
 wrote:

> I think he has gone away

Which is really sad.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic

I think it is an off white or palameno

-Original Message- 
From: Alex Chamberlain

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 11:41 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote:

I have a 95 E300D 375K miles and still going. It is my daily transport to
and from work. I still get 33 MPG out on the highway.  I have put 100K
miles on it and I am the second owner. A real nice ride. I am currently
waiting on a center muffler section that I will be changing this weekend.

Looks like SE wheels. I never realized how short you were.

Can you see over the steering wheel?

ROFL!

Beautiful car, Bob.  Is the interior tan?  I love green-on-tan cars, but
I've never managed to own one.

Alex
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[MBZ] India's transgenic cotton tragedy

Hopes of a genetically modified crop bonanza in India are fading fast.
Maharastra state has banned the use of a particular type of transgenic
cotton made by industrial giant Monsanto, saying it's a threat to people's
lives and to other crops.

By Constantin SIMON / Mandakini Gahlot
Ever since Monsanto introduced genetically modified (GM) cotton in India in
2002, the company has been hounded by a string of controversies. Over a
decade later, there is still no consensus in the country on BT cotton, and
more broadly on GM crops as a whole. Cotton is still the only GM crop in the
country, and it's so pervasive that nearly 90% of all cotton produced in
India is genetically modified.
For Monsanto though, the troubles are far from over. The company's seeds
have been banned in one Indian state, with anti-GM activists demanding a
larger ban. Reports have linked BT cotton to the suicide of over 10,000
farmers in India's cotton belt.
But many states are demanding that the Indian government allow them to
conduct field trials for not just BT cotton but other GM crops. In this
report, we meet with various stakeholders on this issue to understand why BT
cotton is such a divisive subject in India, and what role Monsanto plays in
the matter.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130705-wb-en-reporters-india-transgenic-cotton-fields-monsanto-farmers-maharastra-state

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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

i didn't see the email either -- but as far as selling MB parts being 
easy or hard -- I did it for a while as a home business - and I learned 
a LOT about profit margins when I went out of business -- I sold a lot 
of parts to a lot of people - all of my customers came back to me over 
and over - it's al about being nice and treating people as you wish to 
be treated if a part is delayed they need the truth - whenever it 
happened I told the customer why an they never had a problem.


I suspect Trent is having some problems we are not being told about.   
He may not have the cash to buy parts not in inventory - using one order 
to pay for another will always bite you in the butt eventually


The eay things stand now, I don't think I'm willing to risk placing a 
order with him


Thanks -
LarryT

On 7/3/2013 1:51 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
At this point, giving him a break is long past.  He's overstayed his 
family-emergency-personal-issues time-frame.  If this isn't shady 
shenanigans, he should have communicated with us in the last 3 weeks. 
His last message to the list was June 13 and said:

"
I am still here, don't like all the negative, if you think selling MB 
parts is easy, your wrong. Rusty spoiled you, I will be sending all of 
you an email explaining what my obstacles are to overcome. And yes Tom 
was with Rusty, he sent me a message yesterday. This list is like a 
family, I am sorry I am letting you down.

"

Where is the email with these "obstacles" or any returned phone calls? 
I haven't seen or heard anything of the sort, and until I do, he's not 
deserving of any breaks.  Sorry.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (167,xxx mi)

On 7/3/2013 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

C'mon, give him a brake.

-D

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 3, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:



He is a looser

--R



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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

2013-07-05 Thread WILTON

If he's not planning to send any parts, I'd think it very wise to stop 
listing them.

Good luck on the "contact" part.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry T" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update


Don't know if you still have any pull with Trent - I tried to access the
catalog online for 91 300D and after clicking on 1991, then Mercedes I
tred to click 300D but when I did I was told there were no parts
available.  I tried 6 or 7 times with the same result. BTW, I sent a
note on the "Contact Us" page. Thought this might help

LarryT

On 7/3/2013 9:10 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

But why?


Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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From: Mountain Man 
Sender: "Mercedes" 
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:38:57
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

Luther wrote:

I think so too, but...

...but... what?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

The switchover valves are behind the air filter box, under the  
fender.  On that model, there are three, one for the boost controller,  
one for the EGR, and one for the tuning flap in the intake, I  
believe.  If any have failed, you are in "limp mode" -- no boost, no  
extra fuel, basically a NA engine with a dead turbo stuck in the  
intake.  They must hold vacuum when energized, so must the various  
things they are attached to.


They are electrical switches that operate vacuum valves, so you must  
verify that the vacuum holds and that they switch as they should.


You also need to check the over-boost protection switchover valve on  
the firewall on the driver's side.  There is a line that goes from the  
intake manifold (next to the overboost switch) to the over-boost  
protection valve and from there to the ALDA and the vacuum amplifier  
for the transission.  All that tubing must be clear, not filled with  
oil, and hold pressure.  It's not unheard of for the over-boost switch  
to blow out and leak all the boost signal off.  You can test it by  
attaching a clean line to the valve in place of the one from the  
manifold and blowing into it.  If air blows out the top of the valve,  
it's shot (engine off, of course) and if the pressure leaks out  
somewhere else, fix that too.  Don't replace the dampers in the lines  
with plain tubing, it can cause surging due to erratic pressure to the  
ALDA.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

2013-07-05 Thread Rusty Cullens

I think he has gone away


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 6:02 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

Don't know if you still have any pull with Trent - I tried to access the
catalog online for 91 300D and after clicking on 1991, then Mercedes I tred
to click 300D but when I did I was told there were no parts available.  I
tried 6 or 7 times with the same result. BTW, I sent a note on the "Contact
Us" page. Thought this might help

LarryT

On 7/3/2013 9:10 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
> But why?
>
>
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mountain Man 
> Sender: "Mercedes" 
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:38:57
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update
>
> Luther wrote:
>> I think so too, but...
> ...but... what?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

Don't know if you still have any pull with Trent - I tried to access the 
catalog online for 91 300D and after clicking on 1991, then Mercedes I 
tred to click 300D but when I did I was told there were no parts 
available.  I tried 6 or 7 times with the same result. BTW, I sent a 
note on the "Contact Us" page. Thought this might help


LarryT

On 7/3/2013 9:10 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

But why?


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Luther wrote:

I think so too, but...

...but... what?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

Thanks Peter -  I really appreciate you taking the tie to help. I like 
having something specific to check. A couple of questions, please ... Is 
it vacuum operated or electrical?  I should be able to test it either 
way but just curious... When you say "behind" the air intake - do you 
mean between the radiator overflow tank and the battery or between the 
Air Filter and the Rad Overflow tank?  Just trying to pin things down -- 
MB never does that well in the WSM.


Now, off to research the Vacuum Servo Control Valve...

Thanks again --
LarryT

On 7/4/2013 11:29 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

More likely a blown vacuum servo control valve behind the air intake box.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

re: "Drive it like you stole it" Yeah, I like that policy, BTDT! At
least I used to - it's hard to drive it like that when it is about the
same speed as my 240D ;-)

I may pull the intake to check and clean it -- I remember cleaning the
main plenum over the glow plugs -- but I'm not sure about the intake
going to the Turbo worth checking tho .

Larry

On 7/4/2013 11:41 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

I don't know how far or how fast- I do know when I do my 70 mile each way
commute on I95 it stays clean. About 300 miles/week @ 70- 80 mph. My
recently acquired 300CD had same problem. My late father- former truck
driver used to tell me " son drive a diesel like you stole it".

On Thursday, July 4, 2013, Larry T wrote:

Thanks - That'll be easy enough to fix.

My wife drives approx32 mi RT to& From work -- it's mostly 45 and 55MPH -

would that be enough to keep it clean? I have no problem taking it apart -
just wondering...

LarryT

On 7/4/2013 8:35 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

Larry,
when the turbo in my 90 2.5t has stopped spooling- both times it has been
crud in the pipe from the manifold. Happened twice in 8 years-was when I
was not driving it hard on hiway. FWIW,
Dwight

On Thursday, July 4, 2013, Larry T wrote:

Hi Chris & Gang,
Yeah, that kind of dawned on me yesterday & I appreciate the

confirmation. i looked around for vacuum hoses or wires that might be
loose. I didn't see anything and the suction gizmo adjacent to the
manifold going to the turbo - i think it's called <> but will need to study the WSM a little more - at least it
looks like it is operating properly. I removed the hose and put another
hose on it then put a vacuum on it and the flap moved. At least
everything is at a place that is easy to reach - no climbing under the

car,

etc. - at least it doesn't look that way yet.

I kinda think it _/has /_to be the turbo because I see little (no?)

difference in acceleration when I pull it back to 2.

In a way that's kind of a relief - not having tranny trouble is good

news. Plus, I doubt the Turbo has blown because it would have made lots

noise and smoke

But I still need to find the problem regardless of where it is. Hmm.. I

wonder if there's a fuse involved? ;-^ - that'd be nice.

LarryT

On 7/3/2013 8:54 PM, Chris James wrote:

Yes, in "2" you should be getting a shift around 30mph from 1st into 2nd.

It is possible you may be having turbo boost issues, unfortunately I'm
not familiar enough with the 2.5's setup to be any help.

On 7/3/2013 7:25 PM, Larry T wrote:

Thanks James -- I know I said it didn't work with the lever but I am
having trouble knowing for sure itis not in 1st. Memory tells me it
should take off quickly in 1st and require a shift at approx 25mph -
maybe even 20mph - I have been checking the MB Tech Data book but
it seems to indicate a 1st gear start.

BTW, there is no unusual noise, etc - the ATF was changed ~ 10K
miles ago and about 20k before that. The warranty with Sun Valley
MB requires ATF changes at 24K even though MB says 36K.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

Just off the top of my head go to Fuckmonsanto.org. and see what there is
there to read up on lately.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?


Gerry Archer wrote:


Once inherited a small Toyota (can't remember it's name) that was front 
wheel drive with a longitudinal engine.  It was easy to work on.

Gerry


The old Turtleshell, I mean, Tercel, before the name was used on a stripped 
Corolla?

Mitch.

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On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, OK Don  wrote:

If it has AWD, who cares which way the crankshaft is aligned?


The person who has to change the sparkplugs on the firewall side of a V-6?
Alex


Amen!
Once inherited a small Toyota (can't remember it's name) that was front 
wheel drive with a longitudinal engine.  It was easy to work on.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!


Gerry Archer wrote:
Not that I'm defending Monsanto, but has anyone seen any hard evidence 
that genetically altered foods cause medical problems?  Are there any 
ongoing studies?


No, but when the federal government prohibits you from saying you are selling 
GMO-free food, you know somebody's been paid off.


Funny how the same government that thinks corporations have a right to 
unfettered political free speech while citizens can have limits placed on their 
campaign donations would think businesses don't have a free speech right to make 
factual statements about their own products.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D no start

Drove into Autozone with a dead battery around 8:30 pm, turned off engine, 
and went inside to buy a new one.  The two sweet young ladies would not 
install a new one because it was dribbling rain off and on.  I asked for a 
jump and they brought out a small hand-held battery pack.  I said I didn't 
think it would start a diesel.
Lo and behold, it did very quickly.  Still can't explain it since jumps from 
other cars have failed in the past even though I have heavy cables.  Would 
NIMH batteries be putting out that much more current than lead acid?  That's 
the only explanation I can think of.

Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery 
charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery 
charger and now not?


Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one
of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side.

-- Jim



When I worked at the univ, the campus cops used to provide a free jump. 
Well one very cold day the 240D would not crank fast enough. So the cop 
get out of the car with one of those flashlight battery car starter 
things.  I told him that won't work, you need real jumper cables.  He 
insisted it would work.  So I said ok and he hooked it up.  It didn't work 
and made no difference.  I was kind of disappointed that it didn't melt 
into a blob.


To Jim's point, a bad battery in a diesel will generally not start on 
jumper cables unless they are 00 to  cable.  I have never had one 
start on a charger, unless the charger was left on long enough to charge 
the battery.


Moral of the story:  Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. take 
the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where it can 
live out its old age.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

Not that I'm defending Monsanto, but has anyone seen any hard evidence that 
genetically altered foods cause medical problems?  Are there any ongoing 
studies?

Gerry

From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 



My revenge against the agri giantsis to become 100 percent self sufficient
in persimmons, with figs and raspberries to follow.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Monsanto...ha!  I wouldn't take a penny from those crooked, crop

destroying, small farmer suing, cancer causing bunch of criminals!

Not just my $.02, proven facts.  There probably is not a more corrupt
corporation in the WORLD!

Monsanto's seed is being burnt and is not welcome in many countries.
 Their
genetic modifications are causing what could very well be the end of
healthy food for Americans and honey bees world wide.  Thanks for saving
the world and ending hunger Monsanto!

Mike



I'd like some of their money.  I am not buying anything from them.  I
won't argue with what you are saying.



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Re: [MBZ] Milling Machine?

I have a CNC machine with a small wood router on it, I cut wood things 
with it.


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On 7/5/13 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Did someone here have a homebuilt 2 or 3 axis milling machine?

If so, would you please drop me a PM?

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?


Could be both

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[MBZ] Milling Machine?

Did someone here have a homebuilt 2 or 3 axis milling machine?

If so, would you please drop me a PM?

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?


Midsize models can be traced farther back, but I think it would be
fair to say the "Pontons" (like that of the W110 & W111/W112 "Fintail"
sedans), were forerunners of both the current E & S Class.


On 7/5/2013 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started way
back with Pontons.

I go and look it up, and there are articles talking about the same.

Since when was the E class the "son of Pontons"?

Befuddled Dan



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Re: [MBZ] 240D no start

2013-07-05 Thread Fmiser

> Dieselhead wrote:
> 
> Moral of the story:  Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few
> years. take the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other
> gasser where it can live out its old age.

About the only diesel left in my fleet is the lawnmower.  I guess I
could rig a battery box for it, though I think the ring-gear
alternator will be stressed trying to change it.

Oh, and the chainsaw, but that doesn't use a battery.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Fmiser

> Dan wrote:
> 
> Apparently there is a display of the "E" class cars at the
> factory that shows this progression. 

Is this the same factory that screwed up the labels and
designation?  So why would you trust the signs at the factory
museum?

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?


Alex Chamberlain wrote:


The person who has to change the sparkplugs on the firewall side of a V-6?


I changed the plugs on a transverse vee engine once.
When I got the 3.8 liter Taurus heads back from the machine shop, I put new 
platinum plugs in the rear head before I put it back on the block. Put three 
more in the front head after I put it on the block.


No, wait, I did change the plugs in situ once, in my dad's 1983 Olds Cutless 
Ciera mit 4.3L diesel. Not a day I remember fondly.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, OK Don  wrote:

> If it has AWD, who cares which way the crankshaft is aligned?
>
>
The person who has to change the sparkplugs on the firewall side of a V-6?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?

2013-07-05 Thread OK Don

Real radios and TVs glow in the dark, real computers have lots of beads on
sticks, etc.
The A and B classes have been built for years, just because we don't get
them doesn't mean they are not Mercedes.
If it has AWD, who cares which way the crankshaft is aligned?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Frederick Moir wrote:

> Real aircraft have round engines.
> Real Mercedes have diesel engines.
>
> Fred Moir
>

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury? (what is a "real" Mercedes?)



Some people think that if there isn't a 500 or 600 after an "S" or "SL" 
it isn't a "real" Mercedes! Perhaps they are more interested in having a 
status symbol, then anything else though... ;-)


Wish they had sent the diesel over too, hopefully by next year we'll see 
the redesigned C with the 250 (2.1L) BlueTEC diesel. They won't have to 
far to go from the Alabama plant!



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Re: [MBZ] OT "The good ole days of Car Washing"



I think that's a "cool" ideal! :-)


On 7/5/2013 8:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

You could probably track down a grown -up Cleo in .3 seconds. Might
be fun to try. On Jul 4, 2013 5:49 PM, "Michael Canfield"
 wrote:


Very nice Rich.  Gotta love kids!

Mike



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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.


Michael Canfield wrote:


Did either pump have protective caps to cover the ports installed before
storage?


I don't know about replacement pump #2.
The one he got from me was wrapped like a mummy in commercial duty Saran Wrap 
type stuff, padded with shredded paper and taped up in a cardboard box for 
shipping. I bought it on eBay and didn't unwrap it until Mike needed it.
It probably saw little oxygen beyond what was wrapped in plastic with it, but 
that could be more than enough to react with anything in the delivery valves.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic

That's a beautiful Emerald Green E300D SE! Some CL & eBay sellers should 
see it & take note of what a NICE car actually looks like! ;-)



In time, looks like you'll have someone to pass it on to! :-)


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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

I agree on this IF the pump is not sitting on a shelf somewhere.  A
complete engine with a closed fuel system is a whole different story than a
pump with old fuel and air in it sitting in storage.

Did either pump have protective caps to cover the ports installed before
storage?

I do, however, tend to agree that the chances are that the installer isn't
getting it right.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 240D no start

2013-07-05 Thread WILTON

Nearly 30 years ago, late on a Fri afternoon, SWMBO and I headed out on trip 
to Charlotte, 'bout 3½ hours away in our 80 240D.  Stopped for fuel about 20 
mi away; got back in car - no start.  A farmer was at pump in front of me; I 
asked him, "Please, Sir. do you have jumper cables?  Can you give me a jump, 
please?"  He glanced at the 240D and said, "Ain't dat a Diesel?  I cain't 
start no Diesel!  Dat thang's 24 volts!  I cain't start no Diesel!"  Tried 
to tell 'im, "Yes, its a Diesel, but it's 12 volts just like your truck; all 
it needs is just a touch; it starts easily; If the cables are good, it'll 
start it."  Reply, as he got in his truck to leave, "Naw, I cain't start no 
Diesel!  Dat thang's 24 volts!"  As he started and began to roll away, I 
said, "We'll thank you, Sir, you obviously know 'all' about it."

Rushed to Sears and got new bat.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D no start


So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery 
charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery 
charger and now not?


Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one
of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side.

-- Jim



When I worked at the univ, the campus cops used to provide a free jump. 
Well one very cold day the 240D would not crank fast enough. So the cop 
get out of the car with one of those flashlight battery car starter 
things.  I told him that won't work, you need real jumper cables.  He 
insisted it would work.  So I said ok and he hooked it up.  It didn't work 
and made no difference.  I was kind of disappointed that it didn't melt 
into a blob.


To Jim's point, a bad battery in a diesel will generally not start on 
jumper cables unless they are 00 to  cable.  I have never had one 
start on a charger, unless the charger was left on long enough to charge 
the battery.


Moral of the story:  Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. take 
the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where it can 
live out its old age.


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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.


Dieselhead wrote:
II have engines sit for years and then fire right up.  I don't think 
purge will help this problem.


So, you think if the pumps were removed from good running cars, the problem 
isn't in storage, so we're either looking at two different sellers sticking 
him/me with bad pumps or mechanic failure?


The first one Mike had put in was probably wrapped in plastic in a basement for 
8-10 years.



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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-05 Thread Dieselhead

II have engines sit for years and then fire right up.  I don't think 
purge will help this problem.




Mike Esh wrote:

I drove it today about 20 miles on the highway.


Have you tried to clean the pumps?
They may have gotten gummy being stored with diesel fuel instead of 
calibrating oil. You could disconnect the fuel and return lines, put 
them in a can of purge, and run on 100% diesel purge until the can 
is gone, or if you're taking it out on the road, dump a bottle or 
two of Techron in the fuel tank.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D no start

2013-07-05 Thread Dieselhead

So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery 
charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with 
battery charger and now not?


Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one
of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side.

-- Jim



When I worked at the univ, the campus cops used to provide a free 
jump.  Well one very cold day the 240D would not crank fast enough. 
So the cop get out of the car with one of those flashlight battery 
car starter things.  I told him that won't work, you need real jumper 
cables.  He insisted it would work.  So I said ok and he hooked it 
up.  It didn't work and made no difference.  I was kind of 
disappointed that it didn't melt into a blob.


To Jim's point, a bad battery in a diesel will generally not start on 
jumper cables unless they are 00 to  cable.  I have never had one 
start on a charger, unless the charger was left on long enough to 
charge the battery.


Moral of the story:  Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. 
take the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where 
it can live out its old age.


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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Maybe a Chevette?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> My revenge against the agri giantsis to become 100 percent self sufficient
> in persimmons, with figs and raspberries to follow.
>
>
Raspberries grow well in the DC climate?  Do you have to do anything to
protect the plants from cold in the winter or keep them from getting
waterlogged during summer storms?  They love it here in Western Oregon and
thrive with very little care, but we have a so-called "Mediterranean
climate" with mild winters and dry summers.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Front Brake Hose

2013-07-05 Thread Jim Cathey

Okay. I am changing out front brakes on the CD today. How do I remove 
the clip that holds the steel line and rubber hose? I guess I could 
break them, but I'd rather do it correctly.


Que?  Unscrew the flare nut.  The clip is held between the hose
and the line.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Jim Cathey


Until the teenagers took over the marketing dep't you had
to _know_ the model line to know what was what.  Not
exactly an onerous task, but there you go.  Good thing
they fixed that for us.

Prior to the introduction of that wretched 'class' system,
that came in with price-point design, they only had one
class: top!  The bigger engines were in the heavier, more
luxurious models, that's all.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] 123 Front Brake Hose

Okay. I am changing out front brakes on the CD today. How do I remove the clip 
that holds the steel line and rubber hose? I guess I could break them, but I'd 
rather do it correctly. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> The most famous aftermarket turbo Mercedes was the Callaway 240D, claimed
> 95hp.
> Faster than a NA 300D, and probably lasted a very long time.
> http://www.superturbodiesel.**com/std/thread-456.html


Was there any car for which Callaway *didn't* offer a turbo kit in the '80s?

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 124 Coupe

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> http://www.benzworld.org/**forums/sale-wanted-trade-**
>> giveaway/1719916-fs-1988-**300ce-100k-miles-excellent.**html#post5851289
>>
>> No price. That tells me they have unrealistic expectations.
>>
>
> Worse than no price, he's asking viewers to email offers to him.
> That's like bidding on eBay for a car you've never seen.
>
>
I wouldn't even bother.  The really desirable 124 coupes are the ones with
the 24-valve engine (1990 and later, I think?).  Give me a '93 Sportline
(the last year before the front end redesign which I don't really care for)
with the evaporator already done, and I'd be a happy man...

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a 95 E300D 375K miles and still going. It is my daily transport to
>> and from work. I still get 33 MPG out on the highway.  I have put 100K
>> miles on it and I am the second owner. A real nice ride. I am currently
>> waiting on a center muffler section that I will be changing this weekend.
>>
>> Looks like SE wheels. I never realized how short you were.
> Can you see over the steering wheel?
>
>
ROFL!

Beautiful car, Bob.  Is the interior tan?  I love green-on-tan cars, but
I've never managed to own one.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay


Randy Bennell wrote:
Not necessarily. Somewhere, I have a book on Turbocharging and one of 
the examples they used was a 240D. They installed an aftermarket kit and 
noted that it made the engine run cleaner and use less fuel.


The most famous aftermarket turbo Mercedes was the Callaway 240D, claimed 95hp.
Faster than a NA 300D, and probably lasted a very long time.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-456.html

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

2013-07-05 Thread Randy Bennell

I truly doubt that applies with 240 and 300D engines, althought "hotrod" 
might be a relative thing.


Randy

On 04/07/2013 5:56 PM, OK Don wrote:

Sounds right. How much difference do you think the turbo makes when the
fuel is limited to safe ranges?
Most times a turbo is added in an attempt to turn the car into a hot rod.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


7 years of daily driving that car seems to say different.

Setting up the pump right so it doesn't overfuel and keeps egt's down in a
safe range assures you will not melt your pistons.  If you just add a turbo
and leave everything else alone that is different.  Sounds like this one
was done well.

Mike








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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

2013-07-05 Thread Randy Bennell

Not necessarily. Somewhere, I have a book on Turbocharging and one of 
the examples they used was a 240D. They installed an aftermarket kit and 
noted that it made the engine run cleaner and use less fuel. My 
recollection is that they ran it a fair number of miles and reported 
that it was a successful addition to the car. I suspect that the factory 
version might be better in many ways but that does not mean that the 
installation done after the fact cannot be done successfully. One will 
not get 200HP out of an engine like that but if one is conservative, it 
will still improve the engine without destroying it in short order.


If anyone is interested, I will dig the book out and quote from it.

Randy


On 04/07/2013 5:28 PM, OK Don wrote:

Exactly! There other differences besides just the piston cooling oil jets,
but that's one of the most significant. "you WILL melt your PISTONS".


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets to
cool the pistons?

Alex







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Re: [MBZ] engine noise

Yeah but if go as far as taking the pan off I might as well just 
get an engine and drop it in. The magnet idea is worth doing though.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 21:21:08 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 

Dragging one of the "retrieval magnets" on a handle around the 
bottom of the
(plastic) drain pan might also be informative.  One of the thin 
magnets
attached to a bendable aluminum wire can sometimes be inserted 
through the
drain and drug around the bottom of the pan, but removing the pan 
and

checking for aluminum as well as steel metal shards is the best way.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] engine noise


Great idea Wilton. I'll give it a try this weekend.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:37:40 -0400
From: "WILTON" 

Remove oil drain plug and see what comes out with the oil after 
parking with

pan sloped downward toward drain plug.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] engine noise

That's what has me puzzled. It idles too evenly to point at 
something like that.


Manfred

Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:08:56 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 

WILTON wrote:
> > Remove oil drain plug and see what comes out with the oil 
after parking

> > with pan sloped downward toward drain plug.
> >
And hope it's not half a rod bearing?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk

Hmmm. I will have to look into that if the window cracks on mine. 
I am starting to get some leaks in the rear window area.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:07:39 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

If you read the fine print, any glass installer will tell you that if they 
remove and reinstall a piece of glass (I had the car in to be painted and I had 
them remove all of the glass and install a new windshield) they are not liable 
if it cracks or breaks.  In the past I had a really good independent glass guy 
who really knew how to do old car glass.  He did the rear glass in my 1970 250C 
and one other car and it was perfect. I couldn't track him down when i needed 
to do the 300SD, so I just picked a local auto glass place.

In this case they just sort of threw up their hands.  I called my insurance agent and asked them if 
my comprehensive insurance might possible cover replacement.  They had an adjuster call me.  He 
asked me one question: "Can the car be operated safely without the glass in place?"  My 
response was "No".

A new glass place came and installed a brand new MB rear window courtesy of the 
local MB dealership the next day.

My agent asked me if I planned on doing any business with the original glass 
place again.  Why?  They were going to subrogate the claim

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300 pic


rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote:
I have a 95 E300D 375K miles and still going. It is my daily transport 
to and from work. I still get 33 MPG out on the highway.  I have put 
100K miles on it and I am the second owner. A real nice ride. I am 
currently waiting on a center muffler section that I will be changing 
this weekend.


What would make the car a Special edition?

Bob Massmann
Oregoina, Ohio


Looks like SE wheels. I never realized how short you were.
Can you see over the steering wheel?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] About 9 months ago?'


From: "Gerry Archer" 


Jack decided to go skiing with his buddy, Bob. So they loaded up Jack's
minivan and headed north.

After driving for a few hours, they got caught in a terrible blizzard.
So they pulled into a nearby farm and asked the attractive lady who
answered the door if they could spend the night.

'I realize it's terrible weather out there and I have this huge house
all to myself, but I'm recently widowed,' she explained. 'I'm afraid the
neighbors will talk if I let you stay in my house.'

'Don't worry,' Jack said. 'We'll be happy to sleep in the barn. And if
the weather breaks, we'll be gone at first light.' The lady agreed, and
the two men found their way to the barn and settled in for the night.

Come morning, the weather had cleared, and they got on their way.
They enjoyed a great weekend of skiing.

But about nine months later, Jack got an unexpected letter from an
attorney. It took him a few minutes to figure it out, but he finally
determined that it was from the attorney of that attractive widow he had
met on the ski weekend

He dropped in on his friend Bob and asked, 'Bob, do you remember that
good-looking widow from the farm we stayed at on our ski holiday up
north about 9 months ago?'

'Yes, I do.' Said Bob.

'Did you, er, happen to get up in the middle of the night, go up to the
house and pay her a visit?'

'Well, um, yes!' Bob said, a little embarrassed about being found out,
'I have to admit that I did.'

'And did you happen to give her my name instead of telling her your
name?'

Bob's face turned beet red and he said,
'Yeah, look, I'm sorry, buddy. I'm afraid I did.' 'Why do you ask?'

'She just died and left me everything.'


(And you thought the ending would be different, didn't you?)... you know
you smiled...now keep that smile for the rest of the day!

Happy Fourth of July!



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[MBZ] (no subject)

2013-07-05 Thread ALLEN D SAWYER

I am considering the purchase of a 1999 MN 320.  What are the problems  with 
this SUV?
ADS

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[MBZ] TRENT update

The local detective says he has left voicemails on TF's cell phone but 
no response.  He figures that might be why TF has shut down the 800 #, 
nervous things are closing in.  Says he has been busy chasing dopers the 
last coupla days but has not forgotten about this guy, will let me know 
what sorts out.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 124 Coupe


Dan Penoff wrote:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1719916-fs-1988-300ce-100k-miles-excellent.html#post5851289

No price. That tells me they have unrealistic expectations.


Worse than no price, he's asking viewers to email offers to him.
That's like bidding on eBay for a car you've never seen.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from
> the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided
> people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started
> calling the large sedans "S Class", the mid sized ones "E Class" and the
> small ones "C Class".
>
>
The 1994 model year was when the Great Renaming took place and the current
"Class" system was established.   The 190E (whose model number had never
reflected its displacement anyway in the USA where we never got the
1.9-liter gas four) was replaced by the C220, the 300E became the E320, the
300SE became the S320, and so on.

It seems clear in hindsight (to me, at least) that the marketeers were
trying to make M-B cars more directly comparable to Lexus and Infiniti,
both of whose badges lineups originally used a strict letter-number system
where the letter indicated body style and the number was engine size
(ES300, Q45, and so on).

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

Nothing remarkable about making a mid-sized car, everyone did it  
starting in the early 50's.


Some marketing teenager making up history after the fact -- Benz has  
made mid-sized cars since the Ponton, sure, but there isn't much  
difference in design between the mid-sized and large (or small) cars,  
as they often use identical suspension parts, etc.


Sorta like claiming Eva Braun's MB started the SL lineage.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?

2013-07-05 Thread Frederick Moir

Real aircraft have round engines.
Real Mercedes have diesel engines.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Alex Chamberlain 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?
> 
>
>On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Chris James  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else following the new CLA?
>>
>They can't fool me with that "4matic" stuff.  It's still a
>transverse-engine FWD chassis.  Real Mercedes have longitudinal engines.
>
>Yes, I know about the A-class, but they don't sell that in the USA, so it
>doesn't count. ;)
>
>VWAG pulled the same cynical move when they built the TT (and later the A3)
>on transverse FWD Volkswagen chassis and tried to pass them off as Audis.
>A real Audi has a longitudinal engine and AWD.  I am not fooled.
>
>Alex
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

This article was also quoted:

http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/history.html

Dan

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Apparently there is a display of the "E" class cars at the factory that shows 
> this progression. 
> 
> ??
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
> 
>> Some teenager making up history again.
>> 
>> Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the engine 
>> displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D indicated a 2.2L 
>> diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as original design) in a 
>> "heavy" body equipped with fuel injection and a 4.5L V8 instead of the 
>> original 2.8L six.
>> 
>> Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the 
>> origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided 
>> people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started 
>> calling the large sedans "S Class", the mid sized ones "E Class" and the 
>> small ones "C Class".
>> 
>> The Ponton was indeed the "fore-runner" of the "E Class", in exactly the 
>> same way the Chevrolet Nova II was the fore-runner of the current Malibu -- 
>> it's the smaller chassis compared to the "big" car.
>> 
>> Remember that kids today are taught that computers have all the answers and 
>> if it's on the internet it has to be true  and computers think for you.  
>> Nothing exists from before the smart phone age, after all.
>> 
>> Peter
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[MBZ] Nice 124 Coupe

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1719916-fs-1988-300ce-100k-miles-excellent.html#post5851289

No price. That tells me they have unrealistic expectations.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

Apparently there is a display of the "E" class cars at the factory that shows 
this progression. 

??

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

> Some teenager making up history again.
> 
> Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the engine 
> displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D indicated a 2.2L 
> diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as original design) in a 
> "heavy" body equipped with fuel injection and a 4.5L V8 instead of the 
> original 2.8L six.
> 
> Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the 
> origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided 
> people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started calling 
> the large sedans "S Class", the mid sized ones "E Class" and the small ones 
> "C Class".
> 
> The Ponton was indeed the "fore-runner" of the "E Class", in exactly the same 
> way the Chevrolet Nova II was the fore-runner of the current Malibu -- it's 
> the smaller chassis compared to the "big" car.
> 
> Remember that kids today are taught that computers have all the answers and 
> if it's on the internet it has to be true  and computers think for you.  
> Nothing exists from before the smart phone age, after all.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA: Affordable Luxury?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Chris James  wrote:

> Is anyone else following the new CLA?
>

If by "following" you mean "sighing with dismay whenever I see a reference
to it,"  then, yes.

> In two months the new CLA250 should be finally arriving on dealer lots
> here in the US! 4matic & an AMG version to follow.
>

They can't fool me with that "4matic" stuff.  It's still a
transverse-engine FWD chassis.  Real Mercedes have longitudinal engines.

Yes, I know about the A-class, but they don't sell that in the USA, so it
doesn't count. ;)

VWAG pulled the same cynical move when they built the TT (and later the A3)
on transverse FWD Volkswagen chassis and tried to pass them off as Audis.
 A real Audi has a longitudinal engine and AWD.  I am not fooled.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system

2013-07-05 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel


At 5:30 PM -0500 7/4/13, OK Don wrote:

Exactly - got the brake caliper cleaned up (minor corrosion at the bottom),
new o-ring, and the brake works again and isn't leaking 5606 :-)
We're flying again, till the new windshield arrives Monday or so ---


Reminds me of the old joke concerning 5606 and its effect on the skin:

Q: How can you tell an A&P (Airframe and Powerplant tech)?

A: They wash their hands BEFORE they use the urinal!

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] OT "The good ole days of Car Washing"

2013-07-05 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel


At 2:45 PM -0400 7/4/13, Rich Thomas wrote:
Never did find out but I told Cleo I went there and tried to find 
his dad, Cleo thought that was pretty cool.  He told his dad, who 
thought that was pretty cool too.


I think it's pretty cool, too!  :)

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?


Some teenager making up history again.

Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the  
engine displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D  
indicated a 2.2L diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as  
original design) in a "heavy" body equipped with fuel injection and a  
4.5L V8 instead of the original 2.8L six.


Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers  
from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some  
genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or  
SL) and started calling the large sedans "S Class", the mid sized ones  
"E Class" and the small ones "C Class".


The Ponton was indeed the "fore-runner" of the "E Class", in exactly  
the same way the Chevrolet Nova II was the fore-runner of the current  
Malibu -- it's the smaller chassis compared to the "big" car.


Remember that kids today are taught that computers have all the  
answers and if it's on the internet it has to be true  and computers  
think for you.  Nothing exists from before the smart phone age, after  
all.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

--
On Jul 5, 2013 4:32 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>
> Some guy over at BenzWorld is
> claiming that the E class started way
> back with Pontons.
>
> I go and look it up, and there are
> articles talking about the same.
>
> Since when was the E class
>the "son of Pontons"?
>

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Alex
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