[MBZ] OT - Alone again
30°F at 1030 AM on a January Saturday and all alone. Woe is me - woe am I, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
On Jan 25, 2014 10:59 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 30°F at 1030 AM on a January Saturday and all alone. Woe is me - woe am I, too. I took the kids to the pinewood derby. We took the van. My son said he saw that a branch had fallen through the front window of the 300D. I haven't been home to check what through means. 'Ran when parked...' Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tires?
I know this subject is almost as contentious as oil, but I have a set of wheels for the SL500, factory wheels from a 2000-2001 SL500. They are 17 x 8.25 245/45R17 wheels with the proper (ET 34) offset for my model year. My stock wheels are 16 12 hole alloys (ET 34) that have been chromed and are badly pitted on the rim surface where the holes are located. I'm not looking to spend a fortune on tires, nor am I hung up about a certain brand. Believe it or not, I've had really good luck with BF Goodrich tires for a few years, and I'm prone to go this route on these as well. On average the ones I've bought have cost me in the $125-$150/each range. I would be curious as to the collective wisdom of the list on other potential brands. Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
i like schwalbe tires On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I know this subject is almost as contentious as oil, but I have a set of wheels for the SL500, factory wheels from a 2000-2001 SL500. They are 17 x 8.25 245/45R17 wheels with the proper (ET 34) offset for my model year. My stock wheels are 16 12 hole alloys (ET 34) that have been chromed and are badly pitted on the rim surface where the holes are located. I'm not looking to spend a fortune on tires, nor am I hung up about a certain brand. Believe it or not, I've had really good luck with BF Goodrich tires for a few years, and I'm prone to go this route on these as well. On average the ones I've bought have cost me in the $125-$150/each range. I would be curious as to the collective wisdom of the list on other potential brands. Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Who sells them? Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: i like schwalbe tires On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I know this subject is almost as contentious as oil, but I have a set of wheels for the SL500, factory wheels from a 2000-2001 SL500. They are 17 x 8.25 245/45R17 wheels with the proper (ET 34) offset for my model year. My stock wheels are 16 12 hole alloys (ET 34) that have been chromed and are badly pitted on the rim surface where the holes are located. I'm not looking to spend a fortune on tires, nor am I hung up about a certain brand. Believe it or not, I've had really good luck with BF Goodrich tires for a few years, and I'm prone to go this route on these as well. On average the ones I've bought have cost me in the $125-$150/each range. I would be curious as to the collective wisdom of the list on other potential brands. Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Z is optional, H is really not, it's the bare minimum that is safe on these cars if you intended to drive them on the interstate. There are a number of brands, but if you don't mind spending a bit more, the Michelin MVX4 + are lovely tires -- ride well, wear well, and don't get all lumpy in a couple years. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
most bike shops, but they are expensive On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Who sells them? Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: i like schwalbe tires On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I know this subject is almost as contentious as oil, but I have a set of wheels for the SL500, factory wheels from a 2000-2001 SL500. They are 17 x 8.25 245/45R17 wheels with the proper (ET 34) offset for my model year. My stock wheels are 16 12 hole alloys (ET 34) that have been chromed and are badly pitted on the rim surface where the holes are located. I'm not looking to spend a fortune on tires, nor am I hung up about a certain brand. Believe it or not, I've had really good luck with BF Goodrich tires for a few years, and I'm prone to go this route on these as well. On average the ones I've bought have cost me in the $125-$150/each range. I would be curious as to the collective wisdom of the list on other potential brands. Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
I figured as much, as most of the tires I look at are like W and Y. Are you talking real Michelins, or the faux Michelins sold at the warehouse stores like Sam's and Costco? Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Z is optional, H is really not, it's the bare minimum that is safe on these cars if you intended to drive them on the interstate. There are a number of brands, but if you don't mind spending a bit more, the Michelin MVX4 + are lovely tires -- ride well, wear well, and don't get all lumpy in a couple years. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Hmm. Low profile tires, no doubt. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: most bike shops, but they are expensive ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
did you get your brake pads? On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Hmm. Low profile tires, no doubt. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: most bike shops, but they are expensive ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Hmm. Low profile tires, no doubt. Dan They are for Terex type loads on a bicycle. oversize fat tires to match the rider ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Dan Penoff wrote: Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. All I'm seeing are Z - W (168 mph, which is what I've got on my e320) and Z - Y (186 mph) A W rated tire will say something like 245/45ZR17 95W Z says rating is over 149, and W says what the rating is. 95 is the weight rating. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=FuziontireModel=UHPpartnum=445WR7FZUHPXLV2vehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yes http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=SumitomotireModel=HTR+Z+IIpartnum=445WR7HTRZ2V2vehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yes Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On 1/22/2014 4:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Walmart is able to charge so litle because it pays its workers so little. Many of them are on public assistance to make ends meet because WM doesn't pay them a living wage. I am troubled by the living wage concept. How much would that be, for how many hours, for what part of the country and who decides? Different wages for an individual and the head of a family? If for a family is it assumed that one adult stays at home with the children? If grandma lives next door? Or if there are no children or many or special needs? There would be so many ways to finagle such a system. What would it cost to administer and enforce? Would it not encourage employers toward further automation of low skilled jobs? Should the government make work for the unemployed? In contrast, the present safety net approach looks much more practical - encourage people to earn what they can and supplement their income if they are in need. Many people - low budget students for example - want temporary or part time work. Wouldn't we as a society be better off to encourage people to better themselves in this way rather than settle into a living wage sort of dead end job? The joke is that a Liberal Paradise would be a place where everyone is guaranteed employment, free healh care, free education, free food, free housing, free utilities, and only law enforcement personnel have guns. Such a place does exist. It is called prison. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV We're neither pure nor wise nor good. We'll do the best we know. We'll build our house and chop our wood. And make our garden grow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Real ones. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Leave out the free food, free housing, and free utilities and you have Canada, which is much safer and less loony that the USA, at least when I lived there. Socialism is why Europe (and Scandinavia, in particular) have a much better quality of life. Go and visit if you don't believe me. Better yet, visit and get sick. You'll be astonished at the quality of the care. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
FedEx just dropped them off to me. I was standing in the driveway getting ready to pull the S500 into the garage and they pulled up, got out, handed me the box and said, These are from the sexy parts supplier and drove off. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: did you get your brake pads? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
fedex knows me well, but i'm just a stranger to UPS on an embarrassing note, i couldn't mount a slightly small tire on a slightly large rim yesterday. spent over an hour messing with it and couldn't come close. as i was about to order up special tools from amazon, abby suggested we first take it over to a nearby bike shop and let them try. so we went to the super fancy road bike shop (rather than our usual bike shop that supports the homeless population) figuring they'd have the proper tools for sure. i mean, it looked about 2 inches off so surely you'd need a special tool, right? in 2 minutes of spinning and gyrating, using no tool beyond the same plastic tire lever i was using, the non english speaking fellow at city bikes in aventura had that brand new continental 26x1.75 wheel mounted. charged me $5 and i was done On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: FedEx just dropped them off to me. I was standing in the driveway getting ready to pull the S500 into the garage and they pulled up, got out, handed me the box and said, These are from the sexy parts supplier and drove off. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: did you get your brake pads? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Gary Hurst wrote: fedex knows me well, but i'm just a stranger to UPS on an embarrassing note, i couldn't mount a slightly small tire on a slightly large rim yesterday. Squeeze the bead into the pocket in the center of the rim, stretching it around as you work your way to the stem area, which is the last part of the tire you install. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
yeah, dream on haley. this was one like i've never seen before On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: fedex knows me well, but i'm just a stranger to UPS on an embarrassing note, i couldn't mount a slightly small tire on a slightly large rim yesterday. Squeeze the bead into the pocket in the center of the rim, stretching it around as you work your way to the stem area, which is the last part of the tire you install. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Turning a Page
Sent my '80 240D off to Yuma last night. The fellow wanted a project. The was pulling it home to Yuma (about 160 miles from my house) with a clapped early 80's Astro van and a car trailer that looks like Columbus brought it over. Of course the 240D, which had been sitting since before Thanksgiving, started right up. Bless its heart. So now, for the first time since 1983, I am without a W123 in the drive. I can't seem to convince my neighbor he needs to give his 1960 190SL garage queen so I reckon I will have to keep my eye peeled for something I can have as a true projectsomething I will not have to rely on daily to get me to the old nuclear plant. Just sold my house and now I'm going to find something with a Jaime-type garage so I can have the room I crave. Boo-yah! Bob R 2005 E320 149K 2006 Jetta TDI 169K 2008 CLK350 44K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
Heyhappy birthday ya big galoot. Bob R On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, dream on haley. this was one like i've never seen before On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: fedex knows me well, but i'm just a stranger to UPS on an embarrassing note, i couldn't mount a slightly small tire on a slightly large rim yesterday. Squeeze the bead into the pocket in the center of the rim, stretching it around as you work your way to the stem area, which is the last part of the tire you install. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
it's true. i am a galoot On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Heyhappy birthday ya big galoot. Bob R On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, dream on haley. this was one like i've never seen before On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: fedex knows me well, but i'm just a stranger to UPS on an embarrassing note, i couldn't mount a slightly small tire on a slightly large rim yesterday. Squeeze the bead into the pocket in the center of the rim, stretching it around as you work your way to the stem area, which is the last part of the tire you install. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cold
i had the same experience in wales 30 years ago On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You cross the border at Vermont and English STOPS. You'd think the little cafes and such just over the border would be bi-lingual but either they don't want to or unable to speak English. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:30:30 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold Message-ID: 52e2cd66.1060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed True. If you go into rural Quebec you may find the folks refuse to speak English even if they do know it. I would think it less likely that they would do that when in Florida. And, I do believe there are people in Quebec who truly do not speak English. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alpine CD Player
Maybe you or someone on the list will know if a S630 will work where my S600 and S601 are supposed to? I seem to recall that all of the S6XX were interchangeable but my memory fails me at times. I have found a S630 for a reasonable price but need to know it'll be plug n play (which I think hope it is). I still plan to call Becker Auto Monday BTW... Thanks Gang!! Sincerely, Larry On 1/24/2014 7:27 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Call up Ed Ebel at Becker Auto Sound on Monday and he'll help you to troubleshoot it. Dan On Jan 24, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Larry T wrote: Hi Ya'll, I've been using an Alpine S600 6 disc CD Player mounted in the truck of my 91 300D. It has worked fine for 7 or 8 years but today it stopped working. Each of the 6 CDs will load and unload and the cartridge will eject but once a CD loads it does not start spinning playing. My particular W124 has the optional factory upscale stereo with the tuner and amp in the trunk. This makes installaton of a modern Stereo CD player a little more complicated because all the wiring (6 or 8 speakers) is presently run into the trunk as is the aerial wiring. The weird part is I also have an Alpine S601 as a spare but it does the same thing. I don't know if I have 2 bad CD Units, a bad tuner or a bad amplifier. Any ideas? does anyone have an Alpine S6XX I can buy perhaps? I have the MB/Becker/Alpine interface in the truck and it has worked as it should. It works with both CD Players. I noticed the Alpine Audio Head Units are guaranteed for life so if that's a possibility I can find a Alpine Shop, but I somehow doubt that. Thanks Guys - -- Sincerely, Larry 91 300D 2.5 Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Leave out the free food, free housing, and free utilities and you have Canada, which is much safer and less loony that the USA, at least when I lived there. Socialism is why Europe (and Scandinavia, in particular) have a much better quality of life. Go and visit if you don't believe me. Better yet, visit and get sick. You'll be astonished at the quality of the care. Peter I did, and was not. It was miserable in Germany ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turning a Page
Trust me, you want nothing to do with a 190SL unless it's a garage queen. Those things are major PITAs to work on at every turn. Congrats on moving on. Now you'll be able to find something a little newer than a W123 to putter around with. You could move up to a W126 and experience the true luxury of the times in a car that's like sitting on your family room couch as you cruise down the road. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Sent my '80 240D off to Yuma last night. The fellow wanted a project. The was pulling it home to Yuma (about 160 miles from my house) with a clapped early 80's Astro van and a car trailer that looks like Columbus brought it over. Of course the 240D, which had been sitting since before Thanksgiving, started right up. Bless its heart. So now, for the first time since 1983, I am without a W123 in the drive. I can't seem to convince my neighbor he needs to give his 1960 190SL garage queen so I reckon I will have to keep my eye peeled for something I can have as a true projectsomething I will not have to rely on daily to get me to the old nuclear plant. Just sold my house and now I'm going to find something with a Jaime-type garage so I can have the room I crave. Boo-yah! Bob R 2005 E320 149K 2006 Jetta TDI 169K 2008 CLK350 44K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:20:22 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. All I'm seeing are Z - W (168 mph, which is what I've got on my e320) and Z - Y (186 mph) A W rated tire will say something like 245/45ZR17 95W Z says rating is over 149, and W says what the rating is. 95 is the weight rating. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=35 How to Read Speed Rating, Load Index Service Descriptions Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
I had a busy day, got out the Polaris that I put new crank seals in and made a video of how easy it starts. It started first pull from cold in the garage, then it got camera shy and I had to do a retake... Finally got the skis aligned correctly (or so I hope) on the big Ski-Doo, they have to toe out slightly, of course first I had to find straight, then get them set correctly. Vacuumed some crud out from under the carbs, fixed the battery hold down which had broken and finally replaced the port side steering carbide which required re-welding one of the hold down studs on which I'd previously done a poor weld which broke. That took me 3 tries, for some reason I just couldn't get it on straight. Got everything picked up and put away just as it started snowing. We're only supposed to get an inch. Its a tragedy. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:58:58 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - Alone again Message-ID: A249600E7D974887B957373BC2F003B6@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 30?F at 1030 AM on a January Saturday and all alone. Woe is me - woe am I, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Now now Peter, you're not supposed to inflict logic on anything. Don't point out that pretty well all the countries in Europe have a longer lifespan than the USA, higher standard of living, higher literacy rate. If socialism is so bad how does anybody explain Germany, Finland, Sweden and Denmark? They all seem to do okay. Sure you can counter with France, Spain, Portugal, and Greece but there are always those who do a thing well and those who do not. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:43:20 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: 81e97e6d-756b-43f8-8dcf-2858e61e6...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Leave out the free food, free housing, and free utilities and you have Canada, which is much safer and less loony that the USA, at least when I lived there. Socialism is why Europe (and Scandinavia, in particular) have a much better quality of life. Go and visit if you don't believe me. Better yet, visit and get sick. You'll be astonished at the quality of the care. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm actually half way interested in this
I wonder about the feasibility of a manual-pump superturbo om606 in a w140 chassis... (Get rid of the rodbender and replace it with a glow-plug snapping headcase...) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 24, 2014, at 19:16, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It's either this or a 99 e300 turbo Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Date: January 24, 2014 at 6:12:06 PM CST To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: 91 Mercedes 350 SDL Turbo Diesel (update) 6500 http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/4278045138.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
Went to the PO this morning to pick up a set of cast aluminum oil tubes for one of my M119 engines. These were typically made of plastic and have a nasty habit of the end caps popping off, causing oil pressure to drop on one or more lifters. MB made cast aluminum ones for a couple of years, but they're scarce as hen's teeth. Buddied up with a guy over in Cocoa Beach that trolls the local PPs for them, puts them in the ultrasonic cleaner and puts new O rings on them. Been waiting for a set for months and just got the call from him last week. Score! Went under the S500 to try and identify the slow leak, more like seepage, of PS fluid. Figured one of the hoses had gotten porous from age and temps, but no such thing - thank goodness, as the PS lines on the W140 are near impossible to replace in frame. The WIS says to drop the steering gear to get them out. Anyway, it turns out my seepage is coming from a stubby little low pressure line that runs between the bottom of the PS reservoir and the top of the pump. It's all of maybe 2 in length, but it's buried underneath the reservoir. Close inspection shows that the pump has to come out to replace it, unless the top tube can be pressed out of the casting it's in according to the diagrams in the EPC. The bottom clamp on it was loose, and I was able to get a 1/4 drive with a universal on the clamp and tighten it. I'm hoping that's the end of that. Cleaned the interior out and gave the car a good washing. I'll be handing the keys over to the youngest tonight or tomorrow, in order to keep the love flowing for MB products in the family. I hope he treats it well. If not, I'll know it Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I had a busy day, got out the Polaris that I put new crank seals in and made a video of how easy it starts. It started first pull from cold in the garage, then it got camera shy and I had to do a retake... Finally got the skis aligned correctly (or so I hope) on the big Ski-Doo, they have to toe out slightly, of course first I had to find straight, then get them set correctly. Vacuumed some crud out from under the carbs, fixed the battery hold down which had broken and finally replaced the port side steering carbide which required re-welding one of the hold down studs on which I'd previously done a poor weld which broke. That took me 3 tries, for some reason I just couldn't get it on straight. Got everything picked up and put away just as it started snowing. We're only supposed to get an inch. Its a tragedy. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:58:58 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - Alone again Message-ID: A249600E7D974887B957373BC2F003B6@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 30?F at 1030 AM on a January Saturday and all alone. Woe is me - woe am I, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
I have come to think that speed ratings for our cars mean more related to the sidewall strength instead of blasting down the freeway. Benz does not make lightweight go fast cars. These are tanks and need cornering support and long range heat dissipation. I tend to shy away from garbage brands. The chinese and indian garbage. Maybe the Japanese and French make good tires. Germans too. I am less impressed by the consumer brands like Goodyear and Firestone. I am a cheap bastard, so have a really hard time getting the quality I really want with the low cost I scream out for. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 25, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I know this subject is almost as contentious as oil, but I have a set of wheels for the SL500, factory wheels from a 2000-2001 SL500. They are 17 x 8.25 245/45R17 wheels with the proper (ET 34) offset for my model year. My stock wheels are 16 12 hole alloys (ET 34) that have been chromed and are badly pitted on the rim surface where the holes are located. I'm not looking to spend a fortune on tires, nor am I hung up about a certain brand. Believe it or not, I've had really good luck with BF Goodrich tires for a few years, and I'm prone to go this route on these as well. On average the ones I've bought have cost me in the $125-$150/each range. I would be curious as to the collective wisdom of the list on other potential brands. Also, do they have to be Z rated? I'm seeing a lot of other speed ratings for this size of tire, but no Zs. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't point out that pretty well all the countries in Europe have a longer lifespan than the USA, higher standard of living, higher literacy rate. To be politically correct, I will opine that the higher literacy rates, test scores, etc. are due to a lack of cultural diversity. Longer lifespan I would attribute to better diet (less HFCS, less sugar, more fish) and more physical exercise. I have not visited there, but I suspect in the countries you mentioned, they have a much healthier lifestyle than we do in the USA. Universal health insurance plays less of a role if you don't get sick. BTW, I will go out on a limb here and state that the influx of Muslim immigrants into the countries will change their statical superiority over the US in a few short years. Rick An uneducated, opinionated rube. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Not to argue, but I really don't think it's lack of diversity so much as lack of poverty and serious economic disparity. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
Curt Raymond wrote: Got everything picked up and put away just as it started snowing. We're only supposed to get an inch. Its a tragedy. I was supposed to get that inch last night. Hard to tell what actually happened because of drifting. The cars were surrounded on 3 sides with 12-15 of fresh powder, the porch had about 1/2 on it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm actually half way interested in this
The rest of the world had that set up. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:59 PM, John Reames wrote: I wonder about the feasibility of a manual-pump superturbo om606 in a w140 chassis... (Get rid of the rodbender and replace it with a glow-plug snapping headcase...) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 24, 2014, at 19:16, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It's either this or a 99 e300 turbo Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Date: January 24, 2014 at 6:12:06 PM CST To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: 91 Mercedes 350 SDL Turbo Diesel (update) 6500 http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/4278045138.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Point well taken. In certain communities with certain ethnic majorities, however, education is frowned upon. I know this firsthand from talking with folks. Access to healthcare I would definitely argue. I know several single parent families and disabled individuals that have Indiana Medicaid, and they receive the best of healthcare. To the point of being given prescriptions for pain medication that they sell for additional income beyond what section eight housing, food stamps, ADC, and child support provides. Rick Still an uneducated, albeit streetwise rube, with knowledge of such things. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
ATTABOY! Wilt - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again I had a busy day, got out the Polaris that I put new crank seals in and made a video of how easy it starts. It started first pull from cold in the garage, then it got camera shy and I had to do a retake... Finally got the skis aligned correctly (or so I hope) on the big Ski-Doo, they have to toe out slightly, of course first I had to find straight, then get them set correctly. Vacuumed some crud out from under the carbs, fixed the battery hold down which had broken and finally replaced the port side steering carbide which required re-welding one of the hold down studs on which I'd previously done a poor weld which broke. That took me 3 tries, for some reason I just couldn't get it on straight. Got everything picked up and put away just as it started snowing. We're only supposed to get an inch. Its a tragedy. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:58:58 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - Alone again Message-ID: A249600E7D974887B957373BC2F003B6@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 30?F at 1030 AM on a January Saturday and all alone. Woe is me - woe am I, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm actually half way interested in this
John Reames wrote: I wonder about the feasibility of a manual-pump superturbo om606 in a w140 chassis... (Get rid of the rodbender and replace it with a glow-plug snapping headcase...) Get a wrecked 606 turbo (probably have to be a 98-99 W210 if you don't want to import it). Send the rodbender IP to somebody who knows how to get at least 350 drivable horsepower out of it. Might send it to Finland or might find somebody in USA through the Superturbo forum. Build a custom exhaust manifold to work with 350hp worth of turbocharger(s), preferably variable capacity for quick response. A couple of VNTs out of 320 CDI engines would do nicely, or one out of a newer pickup truck. Figure out what your torque goal is and send the transmission to Sun Valley if they're willing to beef it up for you. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
'Nother ATTABOY. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again Went to the PO this morning to pick up a set of cast aluminum oil tubes for one of my M119 engines. These were typically made of plastic and have a nasty habit of the end caps popping off, causing oil pressure to drop on one or more lifters. MB made cast aluminum ones for a couple of years, but they're scarce as hen's teeth. Buddied up with a guy over in Cocoa Beach that trolls the local PPs for them, puts them in the ultrasonic cleaner and puts new O rings on them. Been waiting for a set for months and just got the call from him last week. Score! Went under the S500 to try and identify the slow leak, more like seepage, of PS fluid. Figured one of the hoses had gotten porous from age and temps, but no such thing - thank goodness, as the PS lines on the W140 are near impossible to replace in frame. The WIS says to drop the steering gear to get them out. Anyway, it turns out my seepage is coming from a stubby little low pressure line that runs between the bottom of the PS reservoir and the top of the pump. It's all of maybe 2 in length, but it's buried underneath the reservoir. Close inspection shows that the pump has to come out to replace it, unless the top tube can be pressed out of the casting it's in according to the diagrams in the EPC. The bottom clamp on it was loose, and I was able to get a 1/4 drive with a universal on the clamp and tighten it. I'm hoping that's the end of that. Cleaned the interior out and gave the car a good washing. I'll be handing the keys over to the youngest tonight or tomorrow, in order to keep the love flowing for MB products in the family. I hope he treats it well. If not, I'll know it Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I had a busy day, got out the Polaris that I put new crank seals in and made a video of how easy it starts. It started first pull from cold in the garage, then it got camera shy and I had to do a retake... Finally got the skis aligned correctly (or so I hope) on the big Ski-Doo, they have to toe out slightly, of course first I had to find straight, then get them set correctly. Vacuumed some crud out from under the carbs, fixed the battery hold down which had broken and finally replaced the port side steering carbide which required re-welding one of the hold down studs on which I'd previously done a poor weld which broke. That took me 3 tries, for some reason I just couldn't get it on straight. Got everything picked up and put away just as it started snowing. We're only supposed to get an inch. Its a tragedy. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:58:58 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - Alone again Message-ID: A249600E7D974887B957373BC2F003B6@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 30?F at 1030 AM on a January Saturday and all alone. Woe is me - woe am I, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:05:04 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anyway, it turns out my seepage is coming from a stubby little low pressure line that runs between the bottom of the PS reservoir and the top of the pump. It's all of maybe 2 in length, but it's buried underneath the reservoir. Close inspection shows that the pump has to come out to replace it, unless the top tube can be pressed out of the casting it's in according to the diagrams in the EPC. Having replaced the power steering pump on an M119 in a W124, I can say you cannot take the top tube out of the PS reservoir. The bottom clamp on it was loose, and I was able to get a 1/4 drive with a universal on the clamp and tighten it. I'm hoping that's the end of that. Hopefully, that will be the end of it. Otherwise, you have to take the pump bracket out with the pump and then take the pump off the bracket. When Dave Meimann replaced his, he took the pump off the bracket, leaving the bracket in the car, but (once you know where the last bolt that holds the bracket to the block) that makes getting the 2 tube and the power steering pump installed much more difficult than taking the bracket out. Plus, if you do take the bracket out with the pump, you can see that everything is correct before you put it back in. I have a set of pictures of the process, if you'd like them. They are in a ZIP file that's 6.8 megabytes. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Not to argue... At least not with any facts or logic. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. No, but it IS cultural in origin. Look at medical volunteers going into some countries to provide vaccinations and being killed for their efforts at charitable work. Look at cultures that kill girls if they try to become educated. Look at cultural values among some subculture groups in the US where violence and the degradation of women is promoted in their songs, or the adulation of criminals by Mexico's Narcocorridos. Sometimes poverty and economic disparity is caused by poor cultural values! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Not to argue, but I really don't think it's lack of diversity so much as lack of poverty and serious economic disparity. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Yep We do not have Volksmarch or all the other individual group activities. Not a great population chasing divergent team sports either. Soccer of nothing. No baseball, rugby, basketball, monkey crap. You pretty much play soccer nine month of the year, and then in winter play it on ice. Society also is more linked than North America. Very much a homogeneous ethnic group, viable smaller towns and villages intermixed between the very large metropolitan areas, mass transit and higher speed rail so you do not need a car to get around. Mate that to having thousands of years of your family planted under your feet, and you can get some messed up failed artist to get you goose stepping. The socialist also make their kids attend school six out of seven days. We should make our children attend educational institutions instead of just warehousing them for 180 days then letting them loose during the hottest month of the year. We could set aside December and January to keep the rug rats out of trouble. Pretty hard to riot when your butt is frozen clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't point out that pretty well all the countries in Europe have a longer lifespan than the USA, higher standard of living, higher literacy rate. To be politically correct, I will opine that the higher literacy rates, test scores, etc. are due to a lack of cultural diversity. Longer lifespan I would attribute to better diet (less HFCS, less sugar, more fish) and more physical exercise. I have not visited there, but I suspect in the countries you mentioned, they have a much healthier lifestyle than we do in the USA. Universal health insurance plays less of a role if you don't get sick. BTW, I will go out on a limb here and state that the influx of Muslim immigrants into the countries will change their statical superiority over the US in a few short years. Rick An uneducated, opinionated rube. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. No, but it IS cultural in origin. That is what I meant to say. I probably mixed up ethnic with cultural. We live in a multicultural or poly cultural country. Europe's countries are more mono-cultural and therein lies some of the disparity. As I stated in a previous email, I believe the statistics will shift, as the populations of those European nations becomes more poly-cultural. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turning a Page
Guess you don't need that seat then :) I'd always thought about making it into a chair. Guess now I will. Anybody know what size the bolts are that hold the back to the base? -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:14:45 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Turning a Page Message-ID: CAKOy=fV9ZOVKnj+fi=r3aqqqo3rw8qr_ykm5rzk835bnbnf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent my '80 240D off to Yuma last night. The fellow wanted a project. The was pulling it home to Yuma (about 160 miles from my house) with a clapped early 80's Astro van and a car trailer that looks like Columbus brought it over. Of course the 240D, which had been sitting since before Thanksgiving, started right up. Bless its heart. So now, for the first time since 1983, I am without a W123 in the drive. I can't seem to convince my neighbor he needs to give his 1960 190SL garage queen so I reckon I will have to keep my eye peeled for something I can have as a true projectsomething I will not have to rely on daily to get me to the old nuclear plant. Just sold my house and now I'm going to find something with a Jaime-type garage so I can have the room I crave. Boo-yah! Bob R 2005 E320 149K 2006 Jetta TDI 169K 2008 CLK350 44K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
You stole the 4 we were supposed to get Tuesday. The news was all screaming about how the world was going to end, we're all going to be buried alive. We got a dusting... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:33:59 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again Message-ID: 52e42dc7.9090...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Got everything picked up and put away just as it started snowing. We're only supposed to get an inch. Its a tragedy. I was supposed to get that inch last night. Hard to tell what actually happened because of drifting. The cars were surrounded on 3 sides with 12-15 of fresh powder, the porch had about 1/2 on it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
There is a bunch of poverty in socialist nations. The poor are allowed to engage in their perversion of choice, be it heroin, alcohol, following Phish, without a need to hold a job to keep a roof over their head or pay the medical establishment. The educational institutions take care of making sure the children are smarter than Americans. And then the children grow up to drink beer, smoke, and watch art house movies. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Not to argue, but I really don't think it's lack of diversity so much as lack of poverty and serious economic disparity. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
But the point at the beginning was that socialism in the US can't work wasn't it? Killings in the middle east don't explain why Germany seems to be able to make socialism work... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:49:20 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: 026801cf1a17$4e61b570$eb252050$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to argue... At least not with any facts or logic. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. No, but it IS cultural in origin. Look at medical volunteers going into some countries to provide vaccinations and being killed for their efforts at charitable work. Look at cultures that kill girls if they try to become educated. Look at cultural values among some subculture groups in the US where violence and the degradation of women is promoted in their songs, or the adulation of criminals by Mexico's Narcocorridos. Sometimes poverty and economic disparity is caused by poor cultural values! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Not to argue, but I really don't think it's lack of diversity so much as lack of poverty and serious economic disparity. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
But the point at the beginning was that socialism in the US can't work... It can't work because of the cultural groups in the US who fail at being productive members of society and good citizens. Countries that have productive and non-criminal monocultures fare better at democratic socialism. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:12 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth But the point at the beginning was that socialism in the US can't work wasn't it? Killings in the middle east don't explain why Germany seems to be able to make socialism work... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:49:20 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: 026801cf1a17$4e61b570$eb252050$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to argue... At least not with any facts or logic. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. No, but it IS cultural in origin. Look at medical volunteers going into some countries to provide vaccinations and being killed for their efforts at charitable work. Look at cultures that kill girls if they try to become educated. Look at cultural values among some subculture groups in the US where violence and the degradation of women is promoted in their songs, or the adulation of criminals by Mexico's Narcocorridos. Sometimes poverty and economic disparity is caused by poor cultural values! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Not to argue, but I really don't think it's lack of diversity so much as lack of poverty and serious economic disparity. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The vast majority of the freeloaders I've had to deal with are white of Western European ancestry. The notion that people should just go away when the rich folks find a cheaper way to get their money is abhorrent. Greed is greed, doesn't matter what color or socio- economic status one currently has. Indiana Medicaid is terrible health care, as only a few doctors take it and no clinics, at least here. The medicaid folks are the ones taking their kids to the emergency room to see if they have the flu and clogging things up all winter, there is no place else for them to go. It really sucks for everyone, and the Soviet Union had better health care than that, including full dental care, which is NOT covered by Medicaid. Be careful not to disguise racism as culturism, it's offensive. I'm quite certain there are more people abusing drugs in a fancy suburb that in a group of people trying to fight their way out of poverty, particularly if the poor folk have jobs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Peter Frederick wrote: It really sucks for everyone, and the Soviet Union had better health care than that, including full dental care, which is NOT covered by Medicaid. I was unaware that any state's Medicaid program refused to pay for dental care. One would think that not covering dental or vision would prevent them from getting federal funds for the program. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sometimes poverty and economic disparity is caused by poor cultural values! Greg Agreed, but I'd further that poor cultural values is PC speak for NO CULTURE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
But the point at the beginning was that socialism in the US can't work wasn't it? Killings in the middle east don't explain why Germany seems to be able to make socialism work... -Curt Germany is not socialist. It is a socialist leaning republic with a capitalist economy. they have socialized medicine, but I don't think they have welfare queens. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
Yeah, we're all trying to figure out how it can get passed around between people to clean it up. Jaime is going to sort out the radio and interior bits, it's coming to me for paint freshening, etc. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Dieselhead wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
The vast majority of the freeloaders I've had to deal with are white of Western European ancestry. This sounds kinda like racism (not disguised at all) to me! But if that's true (which I question), then it's obvious that whites of Western European ancestry have poor cultural values. Is it not axiomatic that a person's cultural values (NOT skin color) will make them get the most out of education, work hard, stay out of trouble and move up economically??? If that person, whether white, black, or brown subscribes to thug culture he is not likely to do well. And he is likely to drag down his family and friends...not to mention the strangers on whom he practices his thuggery. Greg, who, as of half Sicilian and half Calabrese ancestry probably does not count as white of Western European ancestry. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth The vast majority of the freeloaders I've had to deal with are white of Western European ancestry. The notion that people should just go away when the rich folks find a cheaper way to get their money is abhorrent. Greed is greed, doesn't matter what color or socio- economic status one currently has. Indiana Medicaid is terrible health care, as only a few doctors take it and no clinics, at least here. The medicaid folks are the ones taking their kids to the emergency room to see if they have the flu and clogging things up all winter, there is no place else for them to go. It really sucks for everyone, and the Soviet Union had better health care than that, including full dental care, which is NOT covered by Medicaid. Be careful not to disguise racism as culturism, it's offensive. I'm quite certain there are more people abusing drugs in a fancy suburb that in a group of people trying to fight their way out of poverty, particularly if the poor folk have jobs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Okay. Point by point. On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The vast majority of the freeloaders I've had to deal with are white of Western European ancestry Me too. Freeloaders are freeloaders regardless of ethnic background. . The notion that people should just go away when the rich folks find a cheaper way to get their money is abhorrent. Greed is greed, doesn't matter what color or socio-economic status one currently has. Go away? I said no such thing and think no such thing. And yes, greed is greed, whether you are Oprah Winfrey or Warren Buffett. Indiana Medicaid is terrible health care, as only a few doctors take it and no clinics, at least here. The medicaid folks are the ones taking their kids to the emergency room to see if they have the flu and clogging things up all winter, there is no place else for them to go. Around here (Northwest Indiana), Medicaid is not too bad. The folks I know that clog up the ERs and UC facilities just find it easier to do that than make Dr. appointments. It really sucks for everyone, and the Soviet Union had better health care than that, including full dental care, which is NOT covered by Medicaid. I wouldn't know. I have never lived in the Soviet Union. I DO work with several people that lived in Poland and they were not fond of the health care in Poland under Soviet rule. Be careful not to disguise racism as culturism, it's offensive. I don't think I have posted anything racist. Perhaps you have construed what I said as racist, I don't know. I'm quite certain there are more people abusing drugs in a fancy suburb that in a group of people trying to fight their way out of poverty, particularly if the poor folk have jobs. I said nothing of drug use. I did say that several of the poor women I have known get prescription pain meds and sell them. Probably to upper middle class white folks. I don't know. I am not involved in that culture. On fighting one's way out of poverty, I have known (and dated) one woman who was on the dole for a time. She received benefits that totaled well into the $40k a year range. She got a degree and makes almost that much working and lives almost as well as she did when she was poor. She is one of the success stories. I would think there are very few... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
It really sucks for everyone, and the Soviet Union had better health care than that, including full dental care, which is NOT covered by Medicaid. Peter Woohoo! Lets all go to the soviet union so we can stand in separate lines for hours or days to get bread, potatoes, and toilet paper, but some comrade will pull out tooth for nothing.. Nothing in the stores, no choices because the central committee decides what is attempted to be made. talk about something that sucks for almost everyone. (the few elite had cars and dachas) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
Ooook Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
It does work here, just not on a nationwide system. WE have corporate socialism, where we pay or allow large companies to harbor profits or produce at a reduced capital expenditure. Individual socialist pogroms are rampant. Osamacare is just the newest form. Social Security, welfare, WIC, unemployment, ghetto housing, Section 8, medicare, bussing, public schools, NPR, PBS, school lunch programs. All incredible drains on the economy, and less able to control funds than hot water through a colander. Our taxes and levies fund behemoth administrative centers that consume the bulk of funds instead of making sure the money goes to schooling. There are more paper pushers than actual workers on most government projects. We have allowed for inefficiencies of scale to creep in so that more employment takes place with out having a statistically significant increase in productivity. Financial institutions pay out obscene C level salaries, while the men in the trenches are struggling to make enough to feed themselves, let alone a family. Many companies are weaseling employees out of hours to reduce the need to pay benefits. The policy has become that you will not schedule any employee more than 24.99 hours a week at the risk of losing your own bonus. This allows your company to off load benefits to the socialists, and you get accolades for putting far more workers on the payroll than you actually need were they full time. So, the little ants work 4.5 hour shifts, no breaks, and need to be around to cover 20hr daily shifts. Five employees to do the work of 2.5 people. Work the guy to the limit, they will only make $980 in a month in Seattle. Poverty level for a family of four. If you can get a second job with 24 hours a week, you could almost have $1900. I am not sure you get much osamacare for your $23k income. In Amerika, socialist policy is meant to keep the populace down and demotivated. Why even bother to better yourself, if you can get limited access to meeting your basic needs? It may suck to stand in line at the food bank, shop at goodwill, and not be able to pay for your smokes, but you get a roof, some food, a few shots, and if you actually hold a job, the chance to subsist on SS when you get to be 67. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: But the point at the beginning was that socialism in the US can't work wasn't it? Killings in the middle east don't explain why Germany seems to be able to make socialism work... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:49:20 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: 026801cf1a17$4e61b570$eb252050$@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Not to argue... At least not with any facts or logic. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. No, but it IS cultural in origin. Look at medical volunteers going into some countries to provide vaccinations and being killed for their efforts at charitable work. Look at cultures that kill girls if they try to become educated. Look at cultural values among some subculture groups in the US where violence and the degradation of women is promoted in their songs, or the adulation of criminals by Mexico's Narcocorridos. Sometimes poverty and economic disparity is caused by poor cultural values! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Not to argue, but I really don't think it's lack of diversity so much as lack of poverty and serious economic disparity. Lack of access to education and health care is not ethnic in origin. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
It is learned helplessness. We are training them to be docile and obedient. Idle hands are the Devil's playground. We should instead be gathering these indolent folk and putting them to good use in work camps. Help them to find meaning in life by working hard and having an ownership stake in their productivity. I have yet to find a person who poured sweat and tears into a project that does not beam with pride when they speak of their involvement. Building dams, highways, lodges in national parks, improving the nation in some manner will give them a stake in the success of America. They have ownership interests and take offense at their efforts coming to nothing. Most of the WPA folks are long dead, but when they talked of their work, there was pride and a sense of belonging when they visited a location they had toiled day at night to improve. If they did not go off to WWII, they worked at shipyards or other needed industries. Today there is nothing in which to take pride, since we no longer make anything. Just 22 years ago, we produced 40% of our own clothing internally. Today, we make two percent of the things we wear. We will ship our food to a foreign shore for processing because we have regulated ourselves out of the industry. We no longer have a stake in our own health and wellbeing. No idea where our consumer goods come from, other than wally world. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: The vast majority of the freeloaders I've had to deal with are white of Western European ancestry. This sounds kinda like racism (not disguised at all) to me! But if that's true (which I question), then it's obvious that whites of Western European ancestry have poor cultural values. Is it not axiomatic that a person's cultural values (NOT skin color) will make them get the most out of education, work hard, stay out of trouble and move up economically??? If that person, whether white, black, or brown subscribes to thug culture he is not likely to do well. And he is likely to drag down his family and friends...not to mention the strangers on whom he practices his thuggery. Greg, who, as of half Sicilian and half Calabrese ancestry probably does not count as white of Western European ancestry. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth The vast majority of the freeloaders I've had to deal with are white of Western European ancestry. The notion that people should just go away when the rich folks find a cheaper way to get their money is abhorrent. Greed is greed, doesn't matter what color or socio- economic status one currently has. Indiana Medicaid is terrible health care, as only a few doctors take it and no clinics, at least here. The medicaid folks are the ones taking their kids to the emergency room to see if they have the flu and clogging things up all winter, there is no place else for them to go. It really sucks for everyone, and the Soviet Union had better health care than that, including full dental care, which is NOT covered by Medicaid. Be careful not to disguise racism as culturism, it's offensive. I'm quite certain there are more people abusing drugs in a fancy suburb that in a group of people trying to fight their way out of poverty, particularly if the poor folk have jobs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
We must remember that communism/socialism/liberalism/and other -isms that declare all men as being equal and entitled to equal shares of the benefits of the society in which they live; (whether they earned them or not); are historically very young social/political systems, and we have no way of knowing if they are going to persist or become footnotes of history. In fact, while Sweden and other Nordic states have been classic demonstrations of successful socialism in the past, they are currently moving away from being all encompassing socialist states. Gerry From: www.thelocal.se: The Nordic model, known for high taxes and its cradle-to-grave welfare system, is getting a radical makeover as nations find themselves cash-strapped. During the post-war period, the Scandinavian economies became famous for a softer version of capitalism that placed more importance on social equality than other western nations, such as Britain and the United States, did. Then came globalization and an ideological shift to the right has led to a scaling back of the public sector. In Sweden, visitors are sometimes surprised to learn about year-long waiting times for cancer patients, rioting in low-income neighbourhoods and train derailments amid lagging infrastructure investment. The generosity of the system has declined, said Gothenburg University politics professor Jonas Hinnfors. Much of this already started changing in the 1980s and especially in the 1990s. In the wake of a banking crisis in the early nineties, Stockholm scrapped housing subsidies, reformed the pension system and slashed the healthcare budget. A voucher-based system that allows publicly funded, privately managed free schools to compete with state schools was introduced, and has drawn attention from right-wing politicians elsewhere, including Britain's Conservative Party. In 2006, conservative Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt's government accelerated the pace of reform, tightening the criteria for unemployment benefits and sick pay while lowering taxes. Income tax in Sweden is now lower than in France, Belgium and Denmark, and public spending as a share of GDP has declined from a record 71.0 percent in 1993 to 53.3 percent last year. Once the darling of progressives, Sweden has become a model for free-market-leaning thinkers including British weekly The Economist, which last year hailed the scaled-down Nordic model as the next supermodel. They offer a blueprint of how to reform the public sector, making the state far more efficient, it wrote. This month, the Wall Street Journal praised tax cuts and entitlement reforms in Sweden and Denmark that are now discomfiting their big-government admirers overseas. Although polls show strong support among Swedes for the income tax cuts of the past few years, the leftist opposition looks set to win this year's general election. The Social Democrats, in power for much of last century, have been boosted by a string of scandals in private elderly care homes involving degrading treatment of their residents, and by plummeting school results in international rankings. Critics wonder, however, how the workers party will inance an improvement of public services, having already pledged to keep the popular income tax cuts. If Sweden is the Nordic country to have gone the furthest in shrinking its welfare state, Denmark has moved the fastest. When her Social Democratic government took power in 2011, there was little to suggest Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt would make any dramatic changes to the country's cherished welfare state -- funded by the world's highest tax burden. After a centre-right government had raised the retirement age and reduced the unemployment benefits period from four to two years, Gucci Helle -- as she is known among her detractors -- went on to cut corporate taxes to 22 percent from 25 percent. Other reforms have included requiring young people on benefits to undertake training, and withdrawing student aid to those taking too long to finish their studies. It has left her deeply unpopular in some quarters. At last year's May Day speeches, she was met by jeers as audience members sprayed her with a water pistol, threw tomatoes at her, and even flashed their buttocks. For some of Thorning-Schmidt's allies -- notably the leftist Red Green Alliance -- the reforms have been too much to stomach, and in November her minority government had to seek support from the main opposition parties to pass this year's budget. Denmark has been spurred into action by a persistently sluggish economy since a housing bubble imploded in 2007, leading to anaemic household spending. Among Danes there is also a sense that the welfare state was ballooning out of control. In 2011, a TV report aiming to show what life was like for the poor in Denmark visited the home of a single mother on benefits, whose disposable income turned out to be 15,728
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Lets all go to the soviet union so we can stand in separate lines for hours or days That got a chuckle. One of my Polish friends said that when they saw a long line, they got in it, because if the line is that long, they must be giving out something good! Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Evidence please? This does not at all comport with my readings. What is your definition of a freeloader? Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Video Camera
Hey Curt (or ?), What is a good reasonable digital video camera for posting YouTube videos? I was thinking GoPro, but I dislike the fisheye (wide angle) lens. I was going to start videoing MB repairs and posting them (MB content). Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Dieselhead wrote: Woohoo! Lets all go to the soviet union so we can stand in separate lines for hours or days to get... ...to get - that is the fundamental problem. It defies ask-not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. JFK may not have been good republicrat but he was more of a countryman perhaps than the socialists today. I want to see this dentist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpJh6mV03Hw mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
Most modern high-end cell phones are good enough, but don't have a tripod socket. Most modern compact digital cameras have decent video options as well...Canon, Pentax, Panasonic and some others too. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Hey Curt (or ?), What is a good reasonable digital video camera for posting YouTube videos? I was thinking GoPro, but I dislike the fisheye (wide angle) lens. I was going to start videoing MB repairs and posting them (MB content). Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Greg wrote: Evidence please? This does not at all comport with my readings. What is your definition of a freeloader? It's a good dialog, evidence or not. The concepts are interesting and thought provoking. There is very little evidence anymore. Just listen to one of the radio/tv pogroms to hear one side or the other. Evidence? - there is none. Numbers prove whatever you want. The concept is that there are freeloaders. We agree. It is certainly apparent that there are fewer taking, i.e. freeloading. Let's keep away from evidence just yet, especially in this dialog. Nobody wants a freeloader. Nobody wants to be taxed too much. We are each greedy. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
Did you know it is green? Ooook Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter an opinion. Where are the facts, and more to the point, how has the level of freeloaders changed form say 1880 when the nation was perhaps more prosperous than any other time, as evidenced by the many houses and barn built from 1873 to maybe 1890. I'd guess there were not many freeloaders in 1880 or 1890 before the progressives gained popularity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Mao sez: JFK may not have been good republicrat but he was more of a countryman perhaps than the socialists today. the sad thing is that while the jackass party idolizes JFK, today they would brand him has a racist homophobe more right wing than Rush Limbaugh (just looking at his policies) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Makes sveenen hardly the socialist utopia it is touted to be. That must be why Garrison Keeler moved back to the US of A. We must remember that communism/socialism/liberalism/and other -isms that declare all men as being equal and entitled to equal shares of the benefits of the society in which they live; (whether they earned them or not); are historically very young social/political systems, and we have no way of knowing if they are going to persist or become footnotes of history. In fact, while Sweden and other Nordic states have been classic demonstrations of successful socialism in the past, they are currently moving away from being all encompassing socialist states. Gerry From: www.thelocal.se: The Nordic model, known for high taxes and its cradle-to-grave welfare system, is getting a radical makeover as nations find themselves cash-strapped. During the post-war period, the Scandinavian economies became famous for a softer version of capitalism that placed more importance on social equality than other western nations, such as Britain and the United States, did. Then came globalization and an ideological shift to the right has led to a scaling back of the public sector. In Sweden, visitors are sometimes surprised to learn about year-long waiting times for cancer patients, rioting in low-income neighbourhoods and train derailments amid lagging infrastructure investment. The generosity of the system has declined, said Gothenburg University politics professor Jonas Hinnfors. Much of this already started changing in the 1980s and especially in the 1990s. In the wake of a banking crisis in the early nineties, Stockholm scrapped housing subsidies, reformed the pension system and slashed the healthcare budget. A voucher-based system that allows publicly funded, privately managed free schools to compete with state schools was introduced, and has drawn attention from right-wing politicians elsewhere, including Britain's Conservative Party. In 2006, conservative Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt's government accelerated the pace of reform, tightening the criteria for unemployment benefits and sick pay while lowering taxes. Income tax in Sweden is now lower than in France, Belgium and Denmark, and public spending as a share of GDP has declined from a record 71.0 percent in 1993 to 53.3 percent last year. Once the darling of progressives, Sweden has become a model for free-market-leaning thinkers including British weekly The Economist, which last year hailed the scaled-down Nordic model as the next supermodel. They offer a blueprint of how to reform the public sector, making the state far more efficient, it wrote. This month, the Wall Street Journal praised tax cuts and entitlement reforms in Sweden and Denmark that are now discomfiting their big-government admirers overseas. Although polls show strong support among Swedes for the income tax cuts of the past few years, the leftist opposition looks set to win this year's general election. The Social Democrats, in power for much of last century, have been boosted by a string of scandals in private elderly care homes involving degrading treatment of their residents, and by plummeting school results in international rankings. Critics wonder, however, how the workers party will inance an improvement of public services, having already pledged to keep the popular income tax cuts. If Sweden is the Nordic country to have gone the furthest in shrinking its welfare state, Denmark has moved the fastest. When her Social Democratic government took power in 2011, there was little to suggest Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt would make any dramatic changes to the country's cherished welfare state -- funded by the world's highest tax burden. After a centre-right government had raised the retirement age and reduced the unemployment benefits period from four to two years, Gucci Helle -- as she is known among her detractors -- went on to cut corporate taxes to 22 percent from 25 percent. Other reforms have included requiring young people on benefits to undertake training, and withdrawing student aid to those taking too long to finish their studies. It has left her deeply unpopular in some quarters. At last year's May Day speeches, she was met by jeers as audience members sprayed her with a water pistol, threw tomatoes at her, and even flashed their buttocks. For some of Thorning-Schmidt's allies -- notably the leftist Red Green Alliance -- the reforms have been too much to stomach, and in November her minority government had to seek support from the main opposition parties to pass this year's budget. Denmark has been spurred into action by a persistently sluggish economy since a housing bubble imploded in 2007, leading to anaemic household spending. Among Danes there is also a sense that the welfare state was ballooning out of control. In 2011, a TV report aiming to show what life
Re: [MBZ] Turning a Page
Maybe it's Heckflosse time? Yeah, right. I almost bought one in 1993. I probably don't have enough extra money laying around to throw at a project yet. Boo. Bob R Guess you don't need that seat then :) I'd always thought about making it into a chair. Guess now I will. Anybody know what size the bolts are that hold the back to the base? -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:14:45 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Turning a Page Message-ID: CAKOy=fV9ZOVKnj+fi=r3aqqqo3rw8qr_ykm5rzk835bnbnf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent my '80 240D off to Yuma last night. The fellow wanted a project. The was pulling it home to Yuma (about 160 miles from my house) with a clapped early 80's Astro van and a car trailer that looks like Columbus brought it over. Of course the 240D, which had been sitting since before Thanksgiving, started right up. Bless its heart. So now, for the first time since 1983, I am without a W123 in the drive. I can't seem to convince my neighbor he needs to give his 1960 190SL garage queen so I reckon I will have to keep my eye peeled for something I can have as a true projectsomething I will not have to rely on daily to get me to the old nuclear plant. Just sold my house and now I'm going to find something with a Jaime-type garage so I can have the room I crave. Boo-yah! Bob R 2005 E320 149K 2006 Jetta TDI 169K 2008 CLK350 44K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
I do not even know what you are talking about. On 1/25/2014 7:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Did you know it is green? Ooook Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Alone again
On Jan 25, 2014 11:22 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: My son said he saw that a branch had fallen through the front window of the 300D. I haven't been home to check what through means. Apparently it means, the sun causes reflections, and ... nothing was wrong. Still, a good reminder to get on with selling the thing. 'Ran when parked...' Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
he seems mentally disturbed On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I do not even know what you are talking about. On 1/25/2014 7:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Did you know it is green? Ooook Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Speaking of JFK, there was a great segment on Fresh Air this week with the author of a book that goes into the under the hood parts of how the Civil Rights Act got through Congress in 1964. Some pretty fascinating stuff. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Mao sez: JFK may not have been good republicrat but he was more of a countryman perhaps than the socialists today. the sad thing is that while the jackass party idolizes JFK, today they would brand him has a racist homophobe more right wing than Rush Limbaugh (just looking at his policies) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
On Jan 25, 2014 4:06 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I have come to think that speed ratings for our cars mean more related to the sidewall strength instead of blasting down the freeway. For once I agree with Clay. I've had nothing but flat tires when I've skimped on the speed ratings, both Volvos and Mercedes. Every bump is an adventure, after the first major blowout you're on pins and needles waiting for the other three... Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
A green car for you. You like green Mercedes. You should buy it I do not even know what you are talking about. On 1/25/2014 7:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Did you know it is green? Ooook Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
Jabba the blob said: he seems mentally disturbed Now that is a real pot calling the kettle black ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turning a Page
They are not that bad (in terms of $) to keep running as a driving car. To get them to showroom condition is another matter. Same as any 50 year old car. Somebody needs to save this one. Maybe it's Heckflosse time? Yeah, right. I almost bought one in 1993. I probably don't have enough extra money laying around to throw at a project yet. Boo. Bob R Guess you don't need that seat then :) I'd always thought about making it into a chair. Guess now I will. Anybody know what size the bolts are that hold the back to the base? -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:14:45 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Turning a Page Message-ID: CAKOy=fV9ZOVKnj+fi=r3aqqqo3rw8qr_ykm5rzk835bnbnf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent my '80 240D off to Yuma last night. The fellow wanted a project. The was pulling it home to Yuma (about 160 miles from my house) with a clapped early 80's Astro van and a car trailer that looks like Columbus brought it over. Of course the 240D, which had been sitting since before Thanksgiving, started right up. Bless its heart. So now, for the first time since 1983, I am without a W123 in the drive. I can't seem to convince my neighbor he needs to give his 1960 190SL garage queen so I reckon I will have to keep my eye peeled for something I can have as a true projectsomething I will not have to rely on daily to get me to the old nuclear plant. Just sold my house and now I'm going to find something with a Jaime-type garage so I can have the room I crave. Boo-yah! Bob R 2005 E320 149K 2006 Jetta TDI 169K 2008 CLK350 44K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
I guess I must have missed the details Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: A green car for you. You like green Mercedes. You should buy it I do not even know what you are talking about. On 1/25/2014 7:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Did you know it is green? Ooook Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is green Dickarde has located a pea green 220S. Might be a decent price. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Video Camera
Doesn't matter all that much, most anything will make it. Lately I've used Angie's Canon point and shoot, you can see the result here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4nl-RiKisE I tried to make that video with the GoPro but the audio was terrible. I've got another video I just finished shooting on cleaning the points on my Polaris snowmobile, the Canon got the nod there too because it is threaded for a tripod. I need to test and see if my Fuji shoots HD, if it does I'll stop stealing Angie's camera, although hers uses an SD card which my Mac has a slot for which is mighty handy. My tape based camera has been sitting around for months. I may have to get a more serious solid state video camera if I do some pro level work but... A lot of stuff you see on TV is shot with DSLR which I think is a tragic waste of a camera. Meaning the camera is being way under-utilized. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:27:18 -0600 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: blu406-eas13697a74469cb39ddee910bdd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Curt (or ?), What is a good reasonable digital video camera for posting YouTube videos? I was thinking GoPro, but I dislike the fisheye (wide angle) lens. I was going to start videoing MB repairs and posting them (MB content). Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires?
On Jan 25, 2014 4:06 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I have come to think that speed ratings for our cars mean more related to the sidewall strength instead of blasting down the freeway. For once I agree with Clay. I've had nothing but flat tires when I've skimped on the speed ratings, both Volvos and Mercedes. Every bump is an adventure, after the first major blowout you're on pins and needles waiting for the other three... Best, Tim I have run S rated tires on Diesels for decades. never had a failure other than slipped belts on merkun and Japanee tires. Every Euro tire I have had, with the exception of Michelin, has never had slipped belts. Continental, Metzler, Kleber, etc. Merkun made continentals have been good too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Well for one thing the US might not have made shiploads of cash from WW2. Or worse still, someone with some real brains and talent, instead of a self deluded nutjob might have risen to power in Germany and won the war. Hitlers insanity is arguably the key reason that Germany lost the war. Hendrik who is mildly suffering from nutjobosis On 23/01/14 21:37, Mitch Haley wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. And then, the fatal error. They decided Hitler's artwork wasn't worth buying. Imagine how different the world would be if that nutbag had been an impoverished artist instead of a starving artist. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
I have seen a lot of good quality Utube type stuff done with an Iphone or ipod. There are tripod adapters for both. First time I saw an ipad on a tripod, i did a triple take. Never occurred to me to use one like a camera on a tripod. It was recording video for a TV station. I think it was several hours worth, but might have been only 30-60 min, that I saw it there. It was going when i saw it, and still recording when I left probably close to an hour later. This is a real HD Video camera. Only $145. Only problem with the JVC is they record everything in a format that has to be converted before you can use it. .mov These were over $500 a few years ago. https://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=86290cat=CAMcpc=CAMbsc Doesn't matter all that much, most anything will make it. Lately I've used Angie's Canon point and shoot, you can see the result here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4nl-RiKisE I tried to make that video with the GoPro but the audio was terrible. I've got another video I just finished shooting on cleaning the points on my Polaris snowmobile, the Canon got the nod there too because it is threaded for a tripod. I need to test and see if my Fuji shoots HD, if it does I'll stop stealing Angie's camera, although hers uses an SD card which my Mac has a slot for which is mighty handy. My tape based camera has been sitting around for months. I may have to get a more serious solid state video camera if I do some pro level work but... A lot of stuff you see on TV is shot with DSLR which I think is a tragic waste of a camera. Meaning the camera is being way under-utilized. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:27:18 -0600 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: blu406-eas13697a74469cb39ddee910bdd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Curt (or ?), What is a good reasonable digital video camera for posting YouTube videos? I was thinking GoPro, but I dislike the fisheye (wide angle) lens. I was going to start videoing MB repairs and posting them (MB content). Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Well not up there with w111 for sure. My favorite driver is my w124 but I think it is almost ugly compared to earlier setues. No offense to Bruno Saco. On Jan 24, 2014 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad, but not all that great either. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Well IMHO a 123 coupe has beautiful lines as well. On Jan 24, 2014 8:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OTOH, the W111 coupes are among the most beautiful cars ever designed. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The W112 had all the fancy moulding. That's the easy way to pick one out in a crowd. Dan On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:54 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: I like the early fins and all the chrome moulding which I have seen on one black sedan. Black is the only color I would have. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Date: Thu, January 23, 2014 4:14 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com The fins are the same as on the '57 Chevy, Caddy, etc. - pure cosmetic appeal to the masses of the time. I find them ugly and not functional - same as the swept back tails on the Cessna's starting in 1960. Hate them. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The 112, with the rounded over fins are beautiful cars. The 110/111 fins may not be endearing, but ahead of the fins, they are a beautiful car. If you don't mind the fins, the rear view of a 220S/230S/SE is very attractive. The early 110s with the trapezoidal tail lights look like they are winking at you. The 200/200D/230 tail lights make a good looking rear view. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
So I will be gone for 5 days and am toying with the idea of taking the 8 year old black cat along with me on the flight. At 18+ lbs is he too heavy to fly in the cabin? He would have to be with me, since he is and indoor cat not used to traveling. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Well is it good? I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. Where are the jobs? A that's right the Waltons are opening another wallymart on the corner and Microcrap is rolling out another buggy pile of junk to keep it's code slaves busy patching up. The problem is a l lot of the middle sized companies are gone, swallowed up by the big fish, stripped down and production shipped OS, just so some person gets another few million to put on the big pile they already have. But hey they have no obligation to provide decent jobs, so that's alright, they have an obligation under the mantra of 'greed is good' to make money for themselves. However I hope that they have at least an understanding that desperate people do desperate things. Hendrik who is not desperate yet On 24/01/14 01:58, Dieselhead wrote: Here are the 85 richest: http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/ My question is: What does this comparison reveal? Of what use is it other than to point up the fact that 85 wealthy people have as much money as the half the worlds people who are the poorest? Some will say that the world has become a plutocracy since these wealthy people meet in Davos yearly and plan the worlds direction. Is that necessarily bad? Historically, the world has seen many plutocracies large and small. Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. Currently the U.S. has the most billionaires and the U.S. is the most prosperous nation on earth. Barring bad luck, we Americans prosper according to our ambitions, abilities, wisdom, and intelligence. I was born in 1929 and I've seen the U.S. grow from a time when many thought it was doomed, to the richest and most powerful nation on earth, and many of the people who saved it were wealthy or those who sought wealth. Great leaders come in all sizes, shapes, temperaments, and ambitions; and they often become wealthy. As long as a nation such as the US remains a democracy, wealthy people who become a threat can be suppressed; one way or another. (End of rant) Gerry Only the socialist/(whatever name they want) think it is bad. They try to use that to rile up the populace. The ruskie revolution shows the template. They got two sides fighting, let them wear down, then came in and wiped out the remnants of both sides. Mao the murderer did the same. Allies vs the Axis. One point though. The USA is not a democracy, We are a republic. I pledge allieganse to the flag, and to the democracy for which it stands BBZ no It is to the Republic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb!
I guess I must have missed the details Sent from my iPhone Have regina show you Dickarde's posts on Gesichtsbuch (FB) Pictures there under his Mercedes Veterans club. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
People: This was supposed to be about Walmart not paying a living wage, which forces (some? Most? many?) of its associates to supplement their earnings with public assistance. Aren't we promoting a kind of socialism by redistributing our wealth so WM can maximize their profits? On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Speaking of JFK, there was a great segment on Fresh Air this week with the author of a book that goes into the under the hood parts of how the Civil Rights Act got through Congress in 1964. Some pretty fascinating stuff. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Mao sez: JFK may not have been good republicrat but he was more of a countryman perhaps than the socialists today. the sad thing is that while the jackass party idolizes JFK, today they would brand him has a racist homophobe more right wing than Rush Limbaugh (just looking at his policies) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turning a Page
You obviously are wealthy enough to purchase one of my superfluous 300TD wagons. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: They are not that bad (in terms of $) to keep running as a driving car. To get them to showroom condition is another matter. Same as any 50 year old car. Somebody needs to save this one. Maybe it's Heckflosse time? Yeah, right. I almost bought one in 1993. I probably don't have enough extra money laying around to throw at a project yet. Boo. Bob R Guess you don't need that seat then :) I'd always thought about making it into a chair. Guess now I will. Anybody know what size the bolts are that hold the back to the base? -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:14:45 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Turning a Page Message-ID: CAKOy=fV9ZOVKnj+fi=r3aqqqo3rw8qr_ykm5rzk835bnbnf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent my '80 240D off to Yuma last night. The fellow wanted a project. The was pulling it home to Yuma (about 160 miles from my house) with a clapped early 80's Astro van and a car trailer that looks like Columbus brought it over. Of course the 240D, which had been sitting since before Thanksgiving, started right up. Bless its heart. So now, for the first time since 1983, I am without a W123 in the drive. I can't seem to convince my neighbor he needs to give his 1960 190SL garage queen so I reckon I will have to keep my eye peeled for something I can have as a true projectsomething I will not have to rely on daily to get me to the old nuclear plant. Just sold my house and now I'm going to find something with a Jaime-type garage so I can have the room I crave. Boo-yah! Bob R 2005 E320 149K 2006 Jetta TDI 169K 2008 CLK350 44K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
You just need something that'll play AVCHD, Media Composer will (shameless plug) as would Pinnacle Studio. I don't know whats happened with Studio since Corel bought Pinnacle from Avid though. If anybody wants a copy of Studio (version 14 I think) I've got one, in box, don't think I ever even opened it. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:02:14 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: a06240809cf0a28d19cff@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed This is a real HD Video camera. Only $145. Only problem with the JVC is they record everything in a format that has to be converted before you can use it. .mov These were over $500 a few years ago. https://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=86290cat=CAMcpc=CAMbsc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
Fo sho. I loved my wagon, wouldn't mind having another. Angie and I have talked about driving across the US and if we did my top vehicle would be a 123 wagon. Of course I'd buy a nice one and have it totally gone over before the trip. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:08:40 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is Message-ID: CAC35L=s6c_vduhrdcwtnqshaskxdie1cjbg+mdoo+vsvkjk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
Andrew wrote: So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? I think W123 is stylish. Wagon is totally stylish. People don't realize these are cars are 30 years old. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is shiny
Well yeah I suppose for wagon, which is also very functional. Speaking of functional, this really comes out in the 124, with very little chrome trim (hint). People like shiny things. Personally I thing the 114 coupe is nicer than the 123 coupe but the 124 coupe is not to my liking. Hendrik who misses the chrome On 26/01/14 13:38, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Well not up there with w111 for sure. My favorite driver is my w124 but I think it is almost ugly compared to earlier setues. No offense to Bruno Saco. On Jan 24, 2014 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad, but not all that great either. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Well IMHO a 123 coupe has beautiful lines as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
H F wrote: I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. Our problem is that we are looking at a time horizon of a decade. In the larger time window, wealth has always been concentrated to similar levels as we know today, probably. Perhaps one of the differences is that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is more conspicuous today, that's all. We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy. Healthcare? - yeah, take care of your health or someone else will eat you alive and become a trillionaire taking care of you. Note: All of this commentary from a guy that drives a 3-pedal mercedesbenz W123 that has been unemployed for 3 years with no savings nor resources nor any take from the pogroms out there that you pay taxes and not old enuf to take the social security portion that has been promised for me to take at early withdrawal date. Yeah, I could bitch but cannot, really. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
Mine starts at 5 degrees sans block heater, even though the starter shrieks after it fires up. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Fo sho. I loved my wagon, wouldn't mind having another. Angie and I have talked about driving across the US and if we did my top vehicle would be a 123 wagon. Of course I'd buy a nice one and have it totally gone over before the trip. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:08:40 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is Message-ID: CAC35L=s6c_vduhrdcwtnqshaskxdie1cjbg+mdoo+vsvkjk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turning a Page
andrew sez: my superfluous 300TD wagons. Huh? Superfluous? I thought you loved your wagons. You worked so hard to get a matched set! I liked having a matched set of 124 wagons. It was nice having 2 nice SDLs for a while Then there was the set of 3 burgundy MBs 107, 123 and 126 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
