Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Original Message  
From: OK Don via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:39 PM
To: Kaleb C. Striplin; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

>I read that also on some Internet news >site, so it has to be true!  ;-)
‎

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Where the heck did you hear that? Nothing like that going on that I have
> seen. Cash for clunkers did untold amounts of damage to the used car market.‎

Yes, nothing like the liars at Yahoo finance, NYT, Bloomberg, Zero Hedge,...
Apparently, it is new and used cars. 

Apologies for the mobile sites. I am at work. 

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/dealbook/2014/07/19/in-a-subprime-bubble-for-used-cars-unfit-borrowers-pay-sky-high-rates/

‎http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2013-11-27/subprime-loans-are-boosting-car-sales

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-13/subprime-trading-like-it-s-07-in-car-loan-bonds-credit-markets.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/you-can--fog-a-mirror-and-get-an-auto-loan--should-we-be-worried-about-a-crisis-132838097.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-01/subrpime-20-spreads-cars-occ-warns-auto-loan-risks

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3359867

There. That's enough. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I read that also on some Internet news site, so it has to be true!  ;-)


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Where the heck did you hear that? Nothing like that going on that I have
> seen. Cash for clunkers did untold amounts of damage to the used car market.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >
> > I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the
> 2000's is happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who
> won't be able to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the
> roof.
> >
> > Rick
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Where the heck did you hear that? Nothing like that going on that I have seen. 
Cash for clunkers did untold amounts of damage to the used car market.

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> ‎Original Message  
> From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM
> To: Allan Streib; Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply To: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
> 
>> Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 >years old you're looking at 
>> $20-24k, for >$4,000 more I can buy brand new.
> 
> I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the 2000's is 
> happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who won't be 
> able to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the roof. 
>   
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If I were looking for a brand new truck it would be the new body silverado that 
came out for 14. Very very nice truck, worlds ahead of ford or dodge at the 
moment.

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Time is valuable. Right now the bed has to come off again, its rusted all 
> around the patches I put in. Then the gas tank has to be dropped, the mid 
> cross member reinforced and a new rear gas tank strap holder made and 
> installed since the original is riveted in place and can't be bought. So I 
> spend 3 days welding it back up and what have I gained? A new lease on a 
> truck thats essentially worthless.
> 
> The Ranger is also too small for us, when we travel we have to take a big 
> plastic tote in the bed. A midsize truck like my Dakota would be optimal but 
> there just aren't any we like. We tried the Tacoma and Frontier and didn't 
> like either. I find the ergonomics of the Frontier terrible, it aggravates my 
> right knee but that seems to be a common Nissan thing, they never let the 
> front seats go back far enough for me. 
> 
> Plus for what you'd pay for a Tacoma or Frontier you can have an F150 and the 
> Ford gets better mileage than the Nissan and only 1 mpg worse than the Toyota 
> which has a 4 cylinder engine. The Toyota has lower cargo capacity, lower 
> towing capacity, its got a C channel frame where the Ford (and the Nissan 
> interestingly) have box frame which flexes less. There apparently is a reason 
> the F150 is the best selling truck in the US...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
> 
> 
> ‎Original Message  
> From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply To: Curt Raymond
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
> 
>> So I said $25,000. They came back with >$28,000.
> 
> ‎
> $28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

He was taking about new cars, can't get those from a private seller.

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new
>> aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop
>> the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s
>> get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm
>> flailing in the dark...
> 
> BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models
> come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory.
> 
> I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this
> every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you
> intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or
> maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but
> people I've talked to are happy with them.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

As they say in the car business, you are in the new car business to be in the 
used car business. In other words, there are very little margins on new cars. A 
dealer may make a few hundred on a new car. They hope to get good trades to 
make the real money on. Plus there is the service business and the finance. On 
the used cars there are most often very large margins. Most dealers are going 
to make 2-4k per copy, plus they would get another trade usually to make money 
on, plus they make money on the back in in the F&I. Maybe many many years ago 
there were large margins on new cars but that simply is not the case these days.

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Curt  keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car
> business.  It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month & they need
> to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked  & can no longer
> offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes.
> You'd be amazed at margins.
> On Jul 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a
>> 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better
>> but it was a crew cab (and $28k).
>> 
>> We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford
>> dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new
>> truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess
>> pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its
>> still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd
>> with electronic locking rear diff.
>> 
>> Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the
>> first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like
>> $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in
>> loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with
>> "Well what would close the deal today?" So I said $25,000. They came back
>> with $28,000.
>> 
>> We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call
>> this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll
>> except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with
>> the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll
>> stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s
>> get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm
>> flailing in the dark...
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down....

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Certainly adds no value for me.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down



My question exactly.

Unless someone is a movie star or head of state, I can't see how owning 
their former car has a lot of value.  What are you going to do, put a 
magnetic sign on the side and advertise that it was previously owned by 
xx?


Unless you're a superfan, I fail to see the value.

Dan "da Bears/Ditka/polish sausage"

On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:27 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:


BTW, as if it makes any difference for the car, who the Hell is Toni 
Kukoc?


Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Original Message  
From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM
To: Allan Streib; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

>Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 >years old you're looking at 
>$20-24k, for >$4,000 more I can buy brand new.

I read recently that what happened with sub prime mortgages in the 2000's is 
happening now with used auto loans. Sub prime loans to people who won't be able 
to pay them back, driving the used car prices through the roof. 
  
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs. The STX is a
step up from the base - I got the base short cab, long bed, with added
electric windows and locks and running boards. I did have to order it -
there were none that met my specs in OK.


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just looked and our local dealer (the one we tried today was just over
> the border in NH) has nearly the same truck for $33,000. Seems like if he's
> got it for $3k less than the other guy he ought to meet my $25k price. I
> should ask $22k... I'll have to run over and try one tomorrow so when the
> NH guy calls I can tell him I drove another one (same color even) and want
> the better price.
>
> I want to drive the v6 too, it gets 2mpg better and costs $1000 less. This
> is the 3.7l na, not the eco boost which adds another $1000.
> They say the v6 is 302hp, the turbo adds 63hp. The 5.0 v8 is 360hp.
>
> 302hp seems like plenty. My Dakota had like 210hp with a 5.2l v8, Ranger
> is something like 205hp with a 4l v6. I drove a Chevy last year with their
> 4.3l v6 and although towing a 240D I had to keep it in 3rd coming up the
> highway I think that was just a factor of too high gears for the job. It
> wasn't really working that hard.
>
> -Curt
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sounds like you need to go for a Ford f150.
On Jul 27, 2014 10:05 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Time is valuable. Right now the bed has to come off again, its rusted all
> around the patches I put in. Then the gas tank has to be dropped, the mid
> cross member reinforced and a new rear gas tank strap holder made and
> installed since the original is riveted in place and can't be bought. So I
> spend 3 days welding it back up and what have I gained? A new lease on a
> truck thats essentially worthless.
>
> The Ranger is also too small for us, when we travel we have to take a big
> plastic tote in the bed. A midsize truck like my Dakota would be optimal
> but there just aren't any we like. We tried the Tacoma and Frontier and
> didn't like either. I find the ergonomics of the Frontier terrible, it
> aggravates my right knee but that seems to be a common Nissan thing, they
> never let the front seats go back far enough for me.
>
> Plus for what you'd pay for a Tacoma or Frontier you can have an F150 and
> the Ford gets better mileage than the Nissan and only 1 mpg worse than the
> Toyota which has a 4 cylinder engine. The Toyota has lower cargo capacity,
> lower towing capacity, its got a C channel frame where the Ford (and the
> Nissan interestingly) have box frame which flexes less. There apparently is
> a reason the F150 is the best selling truck in the US...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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>
>
> ‎Original Message
> From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply To: Curt Raymond
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
>
> >So I said $25,000. They came back with >$28,000.
>
> ‎
> $28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Time is valuable. Right now the bed has to come off again, its rusted all 
around the patches I put in. Then the gas tank has to be dropped, the mid cross 
member reinforced and a new rear gas tank strap holder made and installed since 
the original is riveted in place and can't be bought. So I spend 3 days welding 
it back up and what have I gained? A new lease on a truck thats essentially 
worthless.

The Ranger is also too small for us, when we travel we have to take a big 
plastic tote in the bed. A midsize truck like my Dakota would be optimal but 
there just aren't any we like. We tried the Tacoma and Frontier and didn't like 
either. I find the ergonomics of the Frontier terrible, it aggravates my right 
knee but that seems to be a common Nissan thing, they never let the front seats 
go back far enough for me. 

Plus for what you'd pay for a Tacoma or Frontier you can have an F150 and the 
Ford gets better mileage than the Nissan and only 1 mpg worse than the Toyota 
which has a 4 cylinder engine. The Toyota has lower cargo capacity, lower 
towing capacity, its got a C channel frame where the Ford (and the Nissan 
interestingly) have box frame which flexes less. There apparently is a reason 
the F150 is the best selling truck in the US...

-Curt



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From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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Reply To: Curt Raymond
Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

>So I said $25,000. They came back with >$28,000.

‎
$28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes effects of the big recession
On Jul 27, 2014 9:59 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at
> $20-24k, for $4,000 more I can buy brand new.
> Toyota is the worst, 8 years old is $16-18k. I think few people were
> buying new from say 2008 to about 2012 so there just isn't that much
> inventory in used trucks. When I bought my Dakota there were a bunch of
> used trucks, same when I bought my Ranger. Now every dealership has a few
> but not that many.
>
> Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
>
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new
> > aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop
> > the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s
> > get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm
> > flailing in the dark...
>
> BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models
> come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory.
>
> I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this
> every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you
> intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or
> maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but
> people I've talked to are happy with them.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Used truck prices are stupid right now. 4 years old you're looking at $20-24k, 
for $4,000 more I can buy brand new.
Toyota is the worst, 8 years old is $16-18k. I think few people were buying new 
from say 2008 to about 2012 so there just isn't that much inventory in used 
trucks. When I bought my Dakota there were a bunch of used trucks, same when I 
bought my Ranger. Now every dealership has a few but not that many.

Curt



 From: Allan Streib via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
 

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new
> aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop
> the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s
> get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm
> flailing in the dark...

BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models
come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory.

I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this
every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you
intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or
maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but
people I've talked to are happy with them.

Allan




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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes by all means offer 22k. You'll be surprised how much negotiating power
you have. Be prepared to walk &  hang up. Hang tough. Play one dealer
against the other . I don't know the specifics of the various engines on
these
 On Jul 27, 2014 9:50 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I just looked and our local dealer (the one we tried today was just over
> the border in NH) has nearly the same truck for $33,000. Seems like if he's
> got it for $3k less than the other guy he ought to meet my $25k price. I
> should ask $22k... I'll have to run over and try one tomorrow so when the
> NH guy calls I can tell him I drove another one (same color even) and want
> the better price.
>
> I want to drive the v6 too, it gets 2mpg better and costs $1000 less. This
> is the 3.7l na, not the eco boost which adds another $1000.
> They say the v6 is 302hp, the turbo adds 63hp. The 5.0 v8 is 360hp.
>
> 302hp seems like plenty. My Dakota had like 210hp with a 5.2l v8, Ranger
> is something like 205hp with a 4l v6. I drove a Chevy last year with their
> 4.3l v6 and although towing a 240D I had to keep it in 3rd coming up the
> highway I think that was just a factor of too high gears for the job. It
> wasn't really working that hard.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Dwight Giles 
> To: Curt Raymond 
> Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
>
>
>
> Curt  keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car
> business.  It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month & they need
> to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked  & can no longer
> offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes.
> You'd be amazed at margins.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new
> aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop
> the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s
> get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm
> flailing in the dark...

BS. Last year's models ALWAYS get discounted when the new year models
come out. Dealers do not make money hanging on to last year's inventory.

I would recommend buying used from a private seller. Dealers do this
every day and they know every trick for getting you to pay more than you
intended to. Watch out for dealers masquerading as private sellers. Or
maybe look at a place like CarMax. I wouldn't trust them either but
people I've talked to are happy with them.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Original Message  
From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Curt Raymond
Subject: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

>So I said $25,000. They came back with >$28,000.

‎
$28000 would keep the Ranger on the road for a long time. 

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I just looked and our local dealer (the one we tried today was just over the 
border in NH) has nearly the same truck for $33,000. Seems like if he's got it 
for $3k less than the other guy he ought to meet my $25k price. I should ask 
$22k... I'll have to run over and try one tomorrow so when the NH guy calls I 
can tell him I drove another one (same color even) and want the better price.

I want to drive the v6 too, it gets 2mpg better and costs $1000 less. This is 
the 3.7l na, not the eco boost which adds another $1000.
They say the v6 is 302hp, the turbo adds 63hp. The 5.0 v8 is 360hp.

302hp seems like plenty. My Dakota had like 210hp with a 5.2l v8, Ranger is 
something like 205hp with a 4l v6. I drove a Chevy last year with their 4.3l v6 
and although towing a 240D I had to keep it in 3rd coming up the highway I 
think that was just a factor of too high gears for the job. It wasn't really 
working that hard.

-Curt



 From: Dwight Giles 
To: Curt Raymond  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
 


Curt  keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car 
business.  It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month & they need to 
meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked  & can no longer offer 
25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes. You'd be 
amazed at margins. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Curt  keep your BS detector turned on. My brother spent 30 years in car
business.  It is a game. Don't budge. It is near end of month & they need
to meet quota. When they calln tell them you have checked  & can no longer
offer 25 but you could see paying 23. That will keep them on their toes.
You'd be amazed at margins.
On Jul 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a
> 2010 Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better
> but it was a crew cab (and $28k).
>
> We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford
> dealer who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new
> truck than used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess
> pretty much the base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its
> still pretty fancy, 6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd
> with electronic locking rear diff.
>
> Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the
> first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like
> $33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in
> loyalty money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with
> "Well what would close the deal today?" So I said $25,000. They came back
> with $28,000.
>
> We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call
> this week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll
> except my offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with
> the new aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll
> stop the incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s
> get cheaper. This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm
> flailing in the dark...
>
> -Curt
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[MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Trip #3 to try out new trucks took us to a Mazda dealership that had a 2010 
Chevy Silverado and 2010 Ford 150. We decided we liked the Ford better but it 
was a crew cab (and $28k).

We don't need a crew cab full size so we decided to go over to the Ford dealer 
who actually persuaded us that it made more sense to look at a new truck than 
used. We drove a 2014 F150 STX access cab, which is I guess pretty much the 
base model, cloth seats, rubber floor mat, 5.0l v8. Its still pretty fancy, 
6spd auto, satellite radio, AC blows ice cold :) 4wd with electronic locking 
rear diff.

Sat down to do the numbers, they're giving a base price of $36,600 and the 
first deal came down to $30,000 which with taxes and fees is something like 
$33k. That includes $500 for our ranger plus something like $2,000 in loyalty 
money. I decided we couldn't pay that much and he came back with "Well what 
would close the deal today?" So I said $25,000. They came back with $28,000.

We left saying we still wanted to try the Dodge. I expect they'll call this 
week at least to thank us for going in but I'm wondering if they'll except my 
offer. They tried to tell us that when the 2015s come out (with the new 
aluminum body panels) that the 2014s will get scarce and they'll stop the 
incentives. That seems to not make sense to me, surely the 2014s get cheaper. 
This is my first time looking at new and I feel like I'm flailing in the dark...

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm also seeing it. Weirder still the iOS7 mail app lists all the emails as 
"Mercedes" while the Android Yahoo mail app and the Yahoo web interface both 
show "x via Mercedes" which is much preferred because some folks don't sign 
their messages and those who don't I can't identify. I asked a kid at the Apple 
store the other day when I was picking up my repaired phone and he said there 
had been many fixes in iOS7 but didn't know if that had caused it or what to do.

-Curt



 From: OK Don via Mercedes 
To: Craig ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]
 

Yes, I'm experiencing the same thing - have to look at the "To" field
before hitting send -- another new trick to learn, but it's better than
finding all of Curt's email in the spam bucket.


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
> Craig
>
> P.S. It's strange. When I click "Reply" on some emails from the list, it
> goes to the list and the person to whom I am replying. Other emails, I
> click "Reply" and it goes only to the person to whom I am replying. In
> those cases, I have to click on "Reply all". Strange.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Jaime, I need help, too!

I have my eye on a low mileage Okie E320 Bluetec, 2007.  I have paid zero
attention to the goings on of the electronics/Comand/nav systems of the
newer cars. Is there anything to be concerned about or is the system
solid?  What about upgradability?

Thanks,
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It turns out 140s do rust, after all
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Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My question exactly.

Unless someone is a movie star or head of state, I can't see how owning their 
former car has a lot of value.  What are you going to do, put a magnetic sign 
on the side and advertise that it was previously owned by xx?

Unless you're a superfan, I fail to see the value.

Dan "da Bears/Ditka/polish sausage"

On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:27 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:

> BTW, as if it makes any difference for the car, who the Hell is Toni Kukoc?
> 
> Wilton
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down....

[WILTON via Mercedes]

BTW, as if it makes any difference for the car, who the Hell is Toni Kukoc?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst via Mercedes" 
To: "Dan Penoff" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down


priced like ex michael jordon maybe, but tony was a pretty big star so 
that

should add some value


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


and walk away slowly.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4590491862.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap home brew Find

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I just had my Hoppy Brown Ale I made 3 weeks ago. I found in the fridge a 
coupla packets of hops I had brought from Houston (we moved here 6 years ago, 
it was from 2005!) and threw that in, along with a package of whole hops I did 
not use in the last batch of bells two hearted IPA clone, and whatever the 
recipe called for. It was quite bitter but sorta mellowed out, maybe I got used 
to it.  Probably not my best batch but drinkable Experimentation!

I got my daughter a brew kit for her birthday, it had a basic brown ale kit 
included, she decided to throw in some extra hops and it turned out quite well, 
better than my experiment!  She is hooked now it was so good!

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Lol, I've been home brewing for a couple decades now.

You can indeed make decent beer at much less cost that the main line brews 
bought at the liquor store, and you can make things that were once unobtainable.

In the last twenty years, the quality of microbrewery beer has increased quite 
a bit, but I still don't like super hoppy beer, so I make the stuff I do like, 
such as the recent Honey Blonde Ale that is getting rave reviews -- with honey 
from my own hives to boot.

It's a great hobby, and not all that expensive once you get the basic gear.



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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:44:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Probably not now.  I was there a number of times in the late 1980s and
> into the early 90s, and there seemed to be a number of streets that
> referenced "atomic" things.  I do recall there being an "atomic
> transit", too.
> 
> I wonder how much of that has disappeared over the years

Well, now that you mention it, they have re-started the Atomic City
Transit.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down....

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Thankfully, 'gonna hafta let it go.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down



and walk away slowly.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4590491862.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] From: John English

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:05:20 +0200 John English via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Salutations Diesel
> 
> 
> http://natrw< ... >
>
> 
> John English

So who is John English? A pseudonym to spread viruses?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down....

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

priced like ex michael jordon maybe, but tony was a pretty big star so that
should add some value


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> and walk away slowly.
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4590491862.html
>
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[MBZ] Put The Crack Pipe Down....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

and walk away slowly.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4590491862.html

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Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap home brew Find

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, I've been home brewing for a couple decades now.

You can indeed make decent beer at much less cost that the main line  
brews bought at the liquor store, and you can make things that were  
once unobtainable.


In the last twenty years, the quality of microbrewery beer has  
increased quite a bit, but I still don't like super hoppy beer, so I  
make the stuff I do like, such as the recent Honey Blonde Ale that is  
getting rave reviews -- with honey from my own hives to boot.


It's a great hobby, and not all that expensive once you get the basic  
gear.




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Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap home brew Find

[Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes]

Yeah you do save money in the long run, sometimes you can find compete 
kits second hand, being sold by someone who either got the kit as an 
unwanted present or did a couple of brews and did not like the taste 
because they don't know what they are doing.
Retail  price on a Coopers kit is 80-90 AUD and you get one can and 
converter with it. Everything there to get you started but the Coopers 
can is not grade 1 gear.
That will brew 22 litres. The cheapest half decent beer you can buy here 
is about 40 AUD for 12 litres. So essentially the first brew is a break 
even proposition. Then you go and buy a decent can and converter, which 
will be round about 30 bucks, you can go real cheap in the supermarket 
and use sugar but the result will be not so good.
I work on about AU$1 per 750ml bottle, that works out at 12 bucks a 
carton (24 stubbies) which is about a third of the cost of store bought 
beer. As said if you really cheap out you can get the price per 750 down 
to 60 cents or so but the stuff is ordinary.
Sure there are other bits that make life easier, such as bottle draining 
tree, capper, heaters, etc but in the long term you will save money and 
quality ingredients will make a pretty good beer.
Bottles are another expense, I have round about 150 or so glass bottles. 
You can get PET ones but they are not suitable for long term storage.
There is also the kegging option but the draw back there is start up 
cost and the on going cost of CO2 gas, which has gotten pricey.
You also need a dedicated space for your 'brewery' the vats need to be 
in the 18-24C range and the bottles are best stored between 13-20C.
Brewing in the house is not so good, as the missus will complain about 
the smell.



Hendrik
Who is off today to get some more ingredients, might make a ginger beer, 
another brown ale and a lager (I have three vats). I like to mix the 
brown ale and lager together to get a lagery ale.


On 28/07/14 04:08, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Do you actually save money, or just do it because you are more independent
and like your own better? Last time I looked, I would have to brew a LOT of
beer to break even with the set-up costs and kits.


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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I will be saving some money this afternoon then when I brew up another
batch, and crack one of my latest I bottled 2 weeks ago, a hoppy brown ale.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I could take Jabba.  That would be intimidating.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> You should probably take George what's his name
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I'm not real clear on the change where they went to the 722.6 tranny.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if it shifts manually... That would be a giveaway.
>>> 
>>> This car is in a sketchy neighborhood, so I'm not sure I want to look at it 
>>> or not.  If I do I may take someone with me
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

red bank is an expensive town, so much so that i couldn' afford a beer
there and jaime had to buy me one


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
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> Agreed... I'll keep an eye on it.  Your post was good... its true she's at
> top dollar already.  I'd guess she's using what they paid for it two years
> ago as a reference, which might make her somewhat rigid in her price.
>
> Jaime
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>
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> > I believe this might be in your neighborhood?
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2093378-sale-450-sl-red-bank-nj.html#post9598042
> >
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> > husband's car...
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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

all these problems would be solved by me being a mod . after all, i am the
only spiritual godfather this list has ever had


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> That is correct
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> > Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 40k is tiny.  hard to get a 40k pic worth seeing when we met, let alone
> now
> >
> > With the usual email overhead, it's closer to 20k if you want the email
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> > I assume 40k is to prevent digest quoting or hostile script attachments.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - where's the nearest MB stealer???


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:50 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks.  Well, I'm sleeping better at night, anyway.  ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess
>
>
>
>  Attaboy?
>>
>> Sounds like Wilton is flush - that means he must be buying dinner.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  The rental house that I was working on several months ago sold last
>>> week, and the money's in the bank!
>>>
>>> Y'all may remember that I had a bit of a problem painting the ceilings
>>> at first because of the stippling (not "popcorn") coming off onto the
>>> roller.  Several of you made great suggestions, which I do appreciate but
>>> none of which I followed.  I quickly learned that I could paint it, anyway,
>>> by keeping roller wet and not rolling it back and forth - don't make more
>>> than one repeat pass until the surface has dried.  After a coat of paint
>>> has dried on it, I could easily roll paint it at will.  Try not to make ANY
>>> repeat pass while it's wet; can repeat lightly if it's done immediately,
>>> before the paint soaks though to the mating surface and causes the
>>> stippling to separate from the ceiling.  I was able to
>>> camouflage/re-stipple small areas where I had "lost" stippling by putting
>>> globs of caulking on end of a broomstick and touching it to the ceiling. I
>>> can tell the difference, but I know where to look.
>>>
>>> Owned the house for 34 years; had one tenant for 33 years.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Thanks.  Well, I'm sleeping better at night, anyway.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Attaboy?

Sounds like Wilton is flush - that means he must be buying dinner.



Dan

On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:


The rental house that I was working on several months ago sold last week, 
and the money's in the bank!


Y'all may remember that I had a bit of a problem painting the ceilings at 
first because of the stippling (not "popcorn") coming off onto the 
roller.  Several of you made great suggestions, which I do appreciate but 
none of which I followed.  I quickly learned that I could paint it, 
anyway, by keeping roller wet and not rolling it back and forth - don't 
make more than one repeat pass until the surface has dried.  After a coat 
of paint has dried on it, I could easily roll paint it at will.  Try not 
to make ANY repeat pass while it's wet; can repeat lightly if it's done 
immediately, before the paint soaks though to the mating surface and 
causes the stippling to separate from the ceiling.  I was able to 
camouflage/re-stipple small areas where I had "lost" stippling by putting 
globs of caulking on end of a broomstick and touching it to the ceiling. 
I can tell the difference, but I know where to look.


Owned the house for 34 years; had one tenant for 33 years.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I could take Jabba.  That would be intimidating.

Dan


On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

> You should probably take George what's his name
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I'm not real clear on the change where they went to the 722.6 tranny.
>> 
>> I wonder if it shifts manually... That would be a giveaway.
>> 
>> This car is in a sketchy neighborhood, so I'm not sure I want to look at it 
>> or not.  If I do I may take someone with me
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably not now.  I was there a number of times in the late 1980s and into the 
early 90s, and there seemed to be a number of streets that referenced "atomic" 
things.  I do recall there being an "atomic transit", too.

I wonder how much of that has disappeared over the years

Dan


On Jul 27, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:47:15 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Los Alamos is high desert. Dry, lots of scrub and pines.
>> 
>> Nice place. I enjoyed my visits there, especially the fact that
>> everything is "nuclear" named, or so it seems.
> 
> Other than "Atomic City" and the main road being "Trinity" (as in the
> location of the first nuclear test), there isn't that much "nuclear", is
> there?
> 
> 
> Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Attaboy?

Sounds like Wilton is flush - that means he must be buying dinner.



Dan

On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:

> The rental house that I was working on several months ago sold last week, and 
> the money's in the bank!
> 
> Y'all may remember that I had a bit of a problem painting the ceilings at 
> first because of the stippling (not "popcorn") coming off onto the roller.  
> Several of you made great suggestions, which I do appreciate but none of 
> which I followed.  I quickly learned that I could paint it, anyway, by 
> keeping roller wet and not rolling it back and forth - don't make more than 
> one repeat pass until the surface has dried.  After a coat of paint has dried 
> on it, I could easily roll paint it at will.  Try not to make ANY repeat pass 
> while it's wet; can repeat lightly if it's done immediately, before the paint 
> soaks though to the mating surface and causes the stippling to separate from 
> the ceiling.  I was able to camouflage/re-stipple small areas where I had 
> "lost" stippling by putting globs of caulking on end of a broomstick and 
> touching it to the ceiling.  I can tell the difference, but I know where to 
> look. 
> 
> Owned the house for 34 years; had one tenant for 33 years.
> 
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[MBZ] OT - a mess

[WILTON via Mercedes]

The rental house that I was working on several months ago sold last week, and 
the money's in the bank!

Y'all may remember that I had a bit of a problem painting the ceilings at first 
because of the stippling (not "popcorn") coming off onto the roller.  Several 
of you made great suggestions, which I do appreciate but none of which I 
followed.  I quickly learned that I could paint it, anyway, by keeping roller 
wet and not rolling it back and forth - don't make more than one repeat pass 
until the surface has dried.  After a coat of paint has dried on it, I could 
easily roll paint it at will.  Try not to make ANY repeat pass while it's wet; 
can repeat lightly if it's done immediately, before the paint soaks though to 
the mating surface and causes the stippling to separate from the ceiling.  I 
was able to camouflage/re-stipple small areas where I had "lost" stippling by 
putting globs of caulking on end of a broomstick and touching it to the 
ceiling.  I can tell the difference, but I know where to look. 

Owned the house for 34 years; had one tenant for 33 years.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:47:15 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Los Alamos is high desert. Dry, lots of scrub and pines.
> 
> Nice place. I enjoyed my visits there, especially the fact that
> everything is "nuclear" named, or so it seems.

Other than "Atomic City" and the main road being "Trinity" (as in the
location of the first nuclear test), there isn't that much "nuclear", is
there?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Los Alamos is high desert. Dry, lots of scrub and pines.

Nice place. I enjoyed my visits there, especially the fact that everything is 
"nuclear" named, or so it seems.

Dan

> On Jul 27, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:17:47 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
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> 
>> Los Alamos must have bunches of water?
>> Lots of trees.
> 
> Lots of pine trees, but not too much water. So far this year we have had
> 5.32" of rain (with 0.38" added last night).
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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:17:47 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
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> Los Alamos must have bunches of water?
> Lots of trees.

Lots of pine trees, but not too much water. So far this year we have had
5.32" of rain (with 0.38" added last night).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Los Alamos must have bunches of water?
Lots of trees.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - ish Tranz Flush too.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.I drove the car to Concord MA today and it shifted as it should, so, 
some improvement already.When the oil looks cleaner I may well change over to 
M1 ATF.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:23:05 -0400
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> CC: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - ish Tranz Flush too.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> Well that seems like the safe thing to do.  I am doing what you advised for
> the CD. Running M1 with new filter.
> On Jul 26, 2014 10:51 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Alles.Trying to guess the right answer was "eine fahr in die blaue".So I
> > will perform a few more oil changes with filter and see what happens.Klatta
> > on!
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Agreed... I'll keep an eye on it.  Your post was good... its true she's at
top dollar already.  I'd guess she's using what they paid for it two years
ago as a reference, which might make her somewhat rigid in her price.

Jaime



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> I believe this might be in your neighborhood?
>
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2093378-sale-450-sl-red-bank-nj.html#post9598042
>
> Here's your chance to save a poor suffering widow with the sale of her
> husband's car...
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Wholesale price is where a dealer buys a car from another dealer wholesale, or 
more specifically a wholesaler goes to franchise store and buys their trades 
and sells them wholesale to another independent store. Trade in price is when a 
customer is trading in their car for another car either at a franchise store or 
independent. The wholesale price is usually more than the trade amount.

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> ‎Original Message  
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: Peter Frederick; Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply To: Kaleb C. Striplin
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
> 
>  > Btw, in the car business wholesale and >trade in are 2 different things.
> 
> Please elaborate for those of us not in the know. ‎
> 
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Original Message  
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Peter Frederick; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

 > Btw, in the car business wholesale and >trade in are 2 different things.

Please elaborate for those of us not in the know. ‎

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is correct 

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>> 40k is tiny.  hard to get a 40k pic worth seeing when we met, let alone now
> 
> With the usual email overhead, it's closer to 20k if you want the email 
> containing the pic to slip under the 40k limit.
> I assume 40k is to prevent digest quoting or hostile script attachments.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

People would be on crack to pay that much for a 300e. Btw, in the car business 
wholesale and trade in are 2 different things.

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kelley Blue Book on-line is a good resource -- they list a 1987 300E as 
> retailing between $4000 and $9500 depending on condition, and in a case of 
> accident damage they owe you the RETAIL (replacement) cost, not the WHOLESALE 
> (trade-in) value of the car, since their insured damaged YOUR car through no 
> fault of your own.
> 
> They try that dodge too.  Offered me $1500 for my 300D eight years ago when 
> some dimbulb ran a stop light and totaled it.  I laughed, retail was 4-6 and 
> it has gone UP since then -- highly desirable car and limited supply.
> 
> Most auto adjusters are clueless about the value of a Benz, they rarely 
> encounter one, it's almost exclusively Detroit of Japanese disposable cars.
> 
> And I guess  most people don't care if they are getting screwed, or they 
> would do something about it.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You should probably take George what's his name

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'm not real clear on the change where they went to the 722.6 tranny.
> 
> I wonder if it shifts manually... That would be a giveaway.
> 
> This car is in a sketchy neighborhood, so I'm not sure I want to look at it 
> or not.  If I do I may take someone with me
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not 
>>> sure if it's a 722.6
>> 
>> I didn't think ANYTHING had a 5p automatic in 1995 so I doubt it's 
>> electronic.
>> Conductor plate is often intermittent downshifts going down the road, 
>> progressing to limp home in a single gear, I think it's 2nd.
>> 
>> I'd expect the usual; vacuum problem, kickdown problem, linkage bushings, 
>> gummy valve body...
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The change happened in 97

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'm not real clear on the change where they went to the 722.6 tranny.
> 
> I wonder if it shifts manually... That would be a giveaway.
> 
> This car is in a sketchy neighborhood, so I'm not sure I want to look at it 
> or not.  If I do I may take someone with me
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not 
>>> sure if it's a 722.6
>> 
>> I didn't think ANYTHING had a 5p automatic in 1995 so I doubt it's 
>> electronic.
>> Conductor plate is often intermittent downshifts going down the road, 
>> progressing to limp home in a single gear, I think it's 2nd.
>> 
>> I'd expect the usual; vacuum problem, kickdown problem, linkage bushings, 
>> gummy valve body...
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, I'm experiencing the same thing - have to look at the "To" field
before hitting send -- another new trick to learn, but it's better than
finding all of Curt's email in the spam bucket.


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
> Craig
>
> P.S. It's strange. When I click "Reply" on some emails from the list, it
> goes to the list and the person to whom I am replying. Other emails, I
> click "Reply" and it goes only to the person to whom I am replying. In
> those cases, I have to click on "Reply all". Strange.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap S class CL Find

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Do you actually save money, or just do it because you are more independent
and like your own better? Last time I looked, I would have to brew a LOT of
beer to break even with the set-up costs and kits.


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> I will be saving some money this afternoon then when I brew up another
> batch, and crack one of my latest I bottled 2 weeks ago, a hoppy brown ale.
>
> --R
>
> --
>


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Re: [MBZ] Strange Finds

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Since the 129 was based largely on the 124 chassis, and my 124's had what
you are describing, yes - they heat the tubes to keep them from freezing.


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> Probably
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 7/27/14 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if these might be for the washer fluid heaters on the hood.
>>
>> --
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? naheju2y

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We'll have to get Kaleb involved then, as that sort of stuff is above my pay 
grade.

Dan

> On Jul 27, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Apparently some server along the path thinks I am not on your white list 
> since it gives me a daily code to use and says I should request that I be put 
> on your white list.  Several people had this same problem a number of months 
> ago until Kaleb eased off on the filters.
> Gerry
> 
>> On 7/27/2014 11:53 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2014 9:32 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> Thanks for putting me on the whitelist.  We'll see if this goes through.  
>>> I've sent messages BCC for years, a message comes up that they must be 
>>> approved, and then Kleb would okay them. Under this new system are BCCs not 
>>> wanted?
>>> Gerry
>>> 
 On 7/27/2014 8:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Gerry,
 I was originally looking at this message on my iPad, which doesn't show 
 the attachments with the message, so I didn't see the header you attached. 
  Sorry.
 
 I'm not sure why the system is rejecting your address.  I have added you 
 to the whitelist - see if you can post now.
 
 Also, I can tell you that you were being bounced in the past when you sent 
 messages out to the list with it being part of a BCC distribution list.  
 The list software won't accept group message like this, as this is a 
 typical means of sending spam.  I do recall seeing some of your posts with 
 non-subject matter sent out to a BCC list in the bit bucket.
 
 Dan
 
 
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Gary Hurst  > wrote:
> 
> what are you doing up at this hour?
> 
> dan?  when you get the chance, can you fix gerry's posting issues?  seems 
> he can't post at all or something.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:24 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com 
>   > wrote:
> 
>Hi Gary,
>Dan may not even know I'm having troubles posting.
>I've been unable to post for several days and have tried to
>contact Dan without success.
>Gerry
> 
>>On 7/27/2014 3:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>this list is kind of a loss at this point and has been for many
>>years.  why does dan think you are having these troubles posting?
>> 
>> 
>>On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 2:29 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>I've been trying various addresses of the form: "Archer75
>>via Mercedes" that will post on the Mercedes List without
>>success.  I wrote Dan the Moderator for help a couple of
>>time but my messages have been rejected by the
>>server(s)see below.or simply not replied to.
>> 
>>On a related subject, this "special address" that is needed
>>in order to post to the list, seems to have turned the list
>>into a "private club"; with new members having to know in
>>advance that they must use this special address and must
>>also know how to set it up on their computers.  I wonder
>>if, in the long run, that this is going to affect Garys
>>parts sales as well as the ultimate survival of the list?
>>I've been on this list off and on since it was based in
>>Canada; it's been valuable and interesting; and I think it
>>would be a shame to see it turned into a restricted list.
>>Gerry
>> ...
>> 
>> 
>>On 7/26/2014 8:43 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>kleb said he'd make me a moderator, but it seems he's not
>>going to do it :(
>> 
>> ..
>> 
>> 
>>On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of
>>Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved?
>> 
>> OK Don
>> 
>>.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Fmiser via Mercedes  writes:

> Sure sounds like the classic symptoms of poor connections on the
> tach amp socket.  This is a round cylinder thing (mini-silo) that
> lives on the port side inner fender.  On an '85, the socket is
> there - but it's empty!  Prior to '85 there should be a plugin
> module.  The classic fix is a cigarette butt between the top of the
> cover and the amp to make it push down tighter in the socket.

I've never found this to make much difference. I've also tried cleaning
the socket and pins with contact cleaner, nothing really seems to work
long term. Maybe a contact enhancer like Stabilant would help.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? naheju2y

[Archer75--- via Mercedes]

Apparently some server along the path thinks I am not on your white list 
since it gives me a daily code to use and says I should request that I 
be put on your white list.  Several people had this same problem a 
number of months ago until Kaleb eased off on the filters.

Gerry

On 7/27/2014 11:53 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 7/27/2014 9:32 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Hi Dan,
Thanks for putting me on the whitelist.  We'll see if this goes 
through.  I've sent messages BCC for years, a message comes up that 
they must be approved, and then Kleb would okay them. Under this new 
system are BCCs not wanted?

Gerry

On 7/27/2014 8:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Gerry,
I was originally looking at this message on my iPad, which doesn't 
show the attachments with the message, so I didn't see the header 
you attached.  Sorry.


I'm not sure why the system is rejecting your address.  I have added 
you to the whitelist - see if you can post now.


Also, I can tell you that you were being bounced in the past when 
you sent messages out to the list with it being part of a BCC 
distribution list.  The list software won't accept group message 
like this, as this is a typical means of sending spam.  I do recall 
seeing some of your posts with non-subject matter sent out to a BCC 
list in the bit bucket.


Dan


On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Gary Hurst > wrote:



what are you doing up at this hour?

dan?  when you get the chance, can you fix gerry's posting issues?  
seems he can't post at all or something.





On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:24 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com 
 > wrote:


Hi Gary,
Dan may not even know I'm having troubles posting.
I've been unable to post for several days and have tried to
contact Dan without success.
Gerry

On 7/27/2014 3:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

this list is kind of a loss at this point and has been for many
years.  why does dan think you are having these troubles posting?


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 2:29 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com
 mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com>> wrote:

I've been trying various addresses of the form: "Archer75
via Mercedes" that will post on the Mercedes List without
success.  I wrote Dan the Moderator for help a couple of
time but my messages have been rejected by the
server(s)see below.or simply not replied to.

On a related subject, this "special address" that is needed
in order to post to the list, seems to have turned the list
into a "private club"; with new members having to know in
advance that they must use this special address and must
also know how to set it up on their computers.  I wonder
if, in the long run, that this is going to affect Garys
parts sales as well as the ultimate survival of the list?
I've been on this list off and on since it was based in
Canada; it's been valuable and interesting; and I think it
would be a shame to see it turned into a restricted list.
Gerry
...


On 7/26/2014 8:43 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:

kleb said he'd make me a moderator, but it seems he's not
going to do it :(

..


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
  wrote:

Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of
Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved?

 OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

[John Reames via Mercedes]

The 210's are a rust bucket. 
I have one that the rocker rotted out from the inside at the jack point. (It 
will eventually be going, but that's another story.)

Also those om606's have the snap-off glow plugs. 

(I was actually torquing the head bolts on the other one and had to stand down; 
the #~]^\!| Mercedes "socket" (bit) sheared off in one of the bolts.  I have 6 
more to finish the last step on.

(Yes I lubed the threads and under the heads of the bolts... I actually used 
M1. I take the "empties" and let them drip out for my oil can when doing 
changes)


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> On Jul 25, 2014, at 16:56, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sounds about as rare as Unicorns.
>> A CDI benz should fit the bill fine.  Most of the other diesel cars 
>> available in USA are going to be junk or worse as used examples.  My cousin 
>> sold VW, and loved them fresh off the lot.  He was less than impressed with 
>> what showed up in trades or how rare it was that one would meet CPO 
>> requirements.  His opinion was Avoid At All Cost.
> 
> Yeah, unless I find a $1500 special like Curt is driving, I don't want an old 
> TDI. I saw a 'field find' older Jetta TDI on CL this spring, had way over 
> 200k mi on it, surrounded by unmowed grass. His starting price was something 
> like $3500 or $3800, and I don't think I ever saw him ask less than $3k for 
> it.
> 
> Unfortunately, it seems like a 10 year old CDI has as big a premium over a 
> e320 as a TDI has over a plain VW. And the rare turbo W210s don't seem to be 
> in any hurry to go under $5k for a decent one, more like 7-8k most of the 
> time and with pretty big odometers.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap S class CL Find

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Do you make any IPA's?
On Jul 27, 2014 1:03 PM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I will be saving some money this afternoon then when I brew up another
> batch, and crack one of my latest I bottled 2 weeks ago, a hoppy brown ale.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 7/27/14 12:47 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote:
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>> Hendrik
>> who may be able to afford a 140 in a few years time with all the money
>> saved by home brewing
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap S class CL Find

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I will be saving some money this afternoon then when I brew up another 
batch, and crack one of my latest I bottled 2 weeks ago, a hoppy brown ale.


--R


On 7/27/14 12:47 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote:

Hendrik
who may be able to afford a 140 in a few years time with all the money 
saved by home brewing



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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? naheju2y

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On 7/27/2014 9:32 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Hi Dan,
Thanks for putting me on the whitelist.  We'll see if this goes 
through.  I've sent messages BCC for years, a message comes up that 
they must be approved, and then Kleb would okay them. Under this new 
system are BCCs not wanted?

Gerry

On 7/27/2014 8:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Gerry,
I was originally looking at this message on my iPad, which doesn't 
show the attachments with the message, so I didn't see the header you 
attached.  Sorry.


I'm not sure why the system is rejecting your address.  I have added 
you to the whitelist - see if you can post now.


Also, I can tell you that you were being bounced in the past when you 
sent messages out to the list with it being part of a BCC 
distribution list.  The list software won't accept group message like 
this, as this is a typical means of sending spam.  I do recall seeing 
some of your posts with non-subject matter sent out to a BCC list in 
the bit bucket.


Dan


On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Gary Hurst > wrote:



what are you doing up at this hour?

dan?  when you get the chance, can you fix gerry's posting issues?  
seems he can't post at all or something.





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Hi Gary,
Dan may not even know I'm having troubles posting.
I've been unable to post for several days and have tried to
contact Dan without success.
Gerry

On 7/27/2014 3:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

this list is kind of a loss at this point and has been for many
years.  why does dan think you are having these troubles posting?


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I've been trying various addresses of the form: "Archer75
via Mercedes" that will post on the Mercedes List without
success.  I wrote Dan the Moderator for help a couple of
time but my messages have been rejected by the
server(s)see below.or simply not replied to.

On a related subject, this "special address" that is needed
in order to post to the list, seems to have turned the list
into a "private club"; with new members having to know in
advance that they must use this special address and must
also know how to set it up on their computers.  I wonder
if, in the long run, that this is going to affect Garys
parts sales as well as the ultimate survival of the list?
I've been on this list off and on since it was based in
Canada; it's been valuable and interesting; and I think it
would be a shame to see it turned into a restricted list.
Gerry
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kleb said he'd make me a moderator, but it seems he's not
going to do it :(

..


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[MBZ] S-class auto park

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

MBUSA have posted a vid on FB of an S-class parallel parking itself.

   In a tight spot? No longer. Thanks to available Parktronic with
   Active Park Assist, the S-Class lessens the worry of finding,
   entering, and exiting parking spaces -- whether parallel or
   perpendicular. Using advanced ultrasonic sensors, the S-Class is
   able to park itself upon the driver's command, without any human
   input. See it in action in this video.


I guess it kinda goes with their target demographic, at least from what 
I see around here.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ethanol can cause trouble with some rubber seals and plastic parts,  
but the issue should have been addressed by now.  Ethanol has been  
used in gasoline for a couple decades, after all.


MTBE is actually worse, but ethanol got all the blame.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

If you take a neglected tranny with ancient non-synthetic oil in it  
and flush it with fresh synthetic fluid, it's possible to remove  
enough varnish from the valve body that shifting problems arise.


Also, in the 70's, synthetic oils didn't have enough seal swelling  
material in them, and rubber seals saturated with mineral oils could  
shrink when the fluid was changed, resulting in failure.  This  
particular issue was addressed when I was in high school, shouldn't be  
a problem now.


The only other issue would be a bunch of scale collected all of the  
the tranny that comes loose with the synthetic, clogging the filter  
and causing issues.  Easily addressed by changing the filter again.


Otherwise, if the dirt and varnish is all that keeps the tranny  
working, it's shot anyway.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

[LarryT via Mercedes]

ethanol is often blamed for causing the needle valve to stick - it 
happened to me and the people at the small engine shop blamed the 
ethanol.  I guess they stuck before ethanol but I don't recall any.   
IMO needle valves sticking was pretty rare.


LarryT

On 7/26/2014 8:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Both my Ryobi string trimmer (4 cycle) and chainsaw (2 cycle) were fed
ethanol laced fuel before I'd heard of the reported problems. They were run
hard, and put up wet (gas still in the tanks). After two years, neither one
would start and run. After replacing the HARD fuel lines,  trying to clean
the carbs and failing to get running engine, I bought new carbs for both of
them. Putting a new carb on the trimmer cured it - it runs fine, and has
had no ethanol since.
I finally really needed the chain saw, so installed the new carb on it, but
no change - still would not run. Finally I changed the spark plug, and IT
RAN.

So, who knows if ethanol laced fuel will kill small engines? I don't . . .

Since it is prohibited by the FAA, and repairs are EXPENSIVE, and failures
can be deadly, I don't let the stuff near my Cessna.
The Ford is approved for up to E85, but has never had E anything, so far,
since I fill it at the same time I buy fuel for the Cessna.


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I've had little problem with ethanol in tanks that I can keep clean and
dry. The snowmobiles don't fall into that category very well... Since I
started using Seafoam gas additive in every tank the problems have been
significantly lessened.

-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] Strange Finds

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Probably

--R


On 7/27/14 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I'm wondering if these might be for the washer fluid heaters on the hood.  It's 
quite possible the doofus that did the repairs on teh car when it was hit in 
the front just clipped these off not realizing they were something important.

???

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

[LarryT via Mercedes]

i agree completely.   I can only add that the logic of changing the 
fluid in a transmission is akin to changing the oil in an engine. No one 
ever suggests that replacing the oil in an engine is a bad thing.  I 
fail to see how doing the same to a transmission could cause damage.


re the people who claim their transmission failed after a flush - IMO 
their tranny probably  was failing and that caused them to have a flush 
done - that's like having a heart attack and dieing while medics try to 
shock the heart back into life - then blaming the shock for the death.


BTW, On a vehicle without a drain plug on the TC, flushing is the only 
way to get all the old trans juice out.


LarryT

On 7/26/2014 5:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I take exception to this statement.

If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands 
of failed transmissions out there.

I hear talk of "fluid shock" on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus.  That is 
described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of 
"dirty" fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail.

Think about this logically:

Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in 
slushboxes for years.  If there was the potential for damage or failure be 
replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear 
of having to buy the customer a new transmission.

I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent 
mechanics.  The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the 
factory interval of 75k.

It's worked perfectly since it was done.

Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction 
material that was floating around in the system and "helping" the clutches and 
bands to continue working.

Bogus.

Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter.

I had the discussion about "fluid shock", which is the procedure you recommend 
to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership.  He 
said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain 
and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure.

He thought it was funny.

Just my $0.02.

Dan


On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes  
wrote:


Do you want to replace the transmission?
If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 
miles and do it again.
That will get most of the crud out of the TC.
This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's & BMW's.
Factory trained Tech's for each car line.

Russ W.
On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed 
to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW 
spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the 
consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The 
trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the 
fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled 
with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained 
only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about 
using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the 
fluid?  And who would you recommend?
TIA
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. 
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[MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe this might be in your neighborhood?

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2093378-sale-450-sl-red-bank-nj.html#post9598042

Here's your chance to save a poor suffering widow with the sale of her 
husband's car...

Dan
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[MBZ] Strange Finds

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Worked on the R129 this morning to see why the headlight washers were 
nonfunctional.  Been this way since I got the car, but not something I've had 
time to investigate.  Had the passenger side headlight out to get at the wiper 
motor.  It's toast, which explains why if it's powered up both wipers run and 
the washer pump runs continuously.  Whatever.

Put new grommets on both washer pumps in the washer fluid reservoir as well, 
since once was seeping.

Anyway, I noticed two strange things when I was working in this area:

1.) The washer line going to the pump for the windshield had two wires embedded 
in the line itself.  They were very small wires, maybe 16-18 gauge stranded, 
and were molded into the clear line with the woven fabric that you would 
normally see for washer fluid line.  They exited the end of the line at the 
pump and were connected together with heat shrink tubing covering them.  They 
don't appear to go anywhere.

2.) In the same general area, I found a cable that had a two pin connector on 
the end that was about 1/4" round with two very, very small sockets in it.  It 
also had a barrel with an O-ring on it as if to seal the connector when it's 
plugged in to the matching connector.

I'm wondering if these might be for the washer fluid heaters on the hood.  It's 
quite possible the doofus that did the repairs on teh car when it was hit in 
the front just clipped these off not realizing they were something important.

???

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If anyone has any comments/suggestions on things to look for, I'm all ears!  it 
sounds like there's a solenoid or vacuum issue with this car.

Thanks,

Dan


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> The 104 140 had the 5 speed mechanical trans from the start in 92
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] From: John English

[John English via Mercedes]

Salutations Diesel


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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Prepared to be annihilated, no doubt.

I'm sure that Los Alamos, like it's compatriot to the northwest, Livermore, are 
first priority targets for our enemies.

Dan "duck and cover and kiss your *ss goodbye"


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> Yes, they have quite the compound. That was in case when Craig was building 
> them bombs and something went wrong up there they would be prepared
> 
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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes, they have quite the compound. That was in case when Craig was building 
them bombs and something went wrong up there they would be prepared

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road?
> 
> I think Shirley curbed him hard in a parking lot.
> 
> 
> 
> > Attached are some pictures of the adventure.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> 
> I didn't know Craig and Shirley had their own municipal sized water tower.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The 104 140 had the 5 speed mechanical trans from the start in 92

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not 
>> sure if it's a 722.6
> 
> I didn't think ANYTHING had a 5p automatic in 1995 so I doubt it's electronic.
> Conductor plate is often intermittent downshifts going down the road, 
> progressing to limp home in a single gear, I think it's 2nd.
> 
> I'd expect the usual; vacuum problem, kickdown problem, linkage bushings, 
> gummy valve body...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

These are not electronic so it does not have the conductor plate

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller says 
> the problem is that "It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas peddle 
> for it to kick into gear."
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html
> 
> I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not 
> sure if it's a 722.6
> 
> Anyone know?  Things to look for?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We made it back to Santa Rosa last night, getting ready to head out to finish 
the trip home.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> For quite a while, my signature for this list included
> 
>'94 E420Oskar  127 kmi (awaiting parting out)
> 
> As of this afternoon, that is no longer true.
> 
> Kaleb, Regina, and their son Spencer made a quick trip out here to pick
> it up along with the '82 OM616 and stick shift transmission that have
> been sitting in my garage for the entirety of the nearly 12 years we have
> been here in Los Alamos.
> 
> Attached are some pictures of the adventure.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i started using dropbox as an homage to dan and it's super easy


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Unless it's below the limit for attachments, which I think is currently
> > 40k. Then it should sail right through.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> How do you upload a photo to the site?
> > >
> > > You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is
> an
> > > email list.
> > >
> > > You attach your photo to your email to the list and then send Dan an
> > > email off-list saying you sent in a photo. He approves it and the email
> > > is sent out to the list with links for the photographs which reside on
> > > the mail server.
> > >
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> favorite Web based photo site here).
> ‎
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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Unless it's below the limit for attachments, which I think is currently
> 40k. Then it should sail right through.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> How do you upload a photo to the site?
> >
> > You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is an
> > email list.
> >
> > You attach your photo to your email to the list and then send Dan an
> > email off-list saying you sent in a photo. He approves it and the email
> > is sent out to the list with links for the photographs which reside on
> > the mail server.
> >

OR, post a link to a Dropbox, Photobucket, Picasa, Flickr, or (insert your 
favorite Web based photo site here). 
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[MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: Moderator?????

[Archer75--- via Mercedes]

Hi Dan,
Thanks for putting me on the whitelist.  We'll see if this goes 
through.  I've sent messages BCC for years, a message comes up that they 
must be approved, and then Kleb would okay them.  Under this new system 
are BCCs not wanted?

Gerry

On 7/27/2014 8:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Gerry,
I was originally looking at this message on my iPad, which doesn't 
show the attachments with the message, so I didn't see the header you 
attached.  Sorry.


I'm not sure why the system is rejecting your address.  I have added 
you to the whitelist - see if you can post now.


Also, I can tell you that you were being bounced in the past when you 
sent messages out to the list with it being part of a BCC distribution 
list.  The list software won't accept group message like this, as this 
is a typical means of sending spam.  I do recall seeing some of your 
posts with non-subject matter sent out to a BCC list in the bit bucket.


Dan


On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Gary Hurst > wrote:



what are you doing up at this hour?

dan?  when you get the chance, can you fix gerry's posting issues?  
seems he can't post at all or something.





On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:24 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com 
 > wrote:


Hi Gary,
Dan may not even know I'm having troubles posting.
I've been unable to post for several days and have tried to
contact Dan without success.
Gerry

On 7/27/2014 3:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

this list is kind of a loss at this point and has been for many
years.  why does dan think you are having these troubles posting?


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 2:29 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com
 mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com>> wrote:

I've been trying various addresses of the form: "Archer75
via Mercedes" that will post on the Mercedes List without
success.  I wrote Dan the Moderator for help a couple of
time but my messages have been rejected by the
server(s)see below.or simply not replied to.

On a related subject, this "special address" that is needed
in order to post to the list, seems to have turned the list
into a "private club"; with new members having to know in
advance that they must use this special address and must
also know how to set it up on their computers.  I wonder if,
in the long run, that this is going to affect Garys parts
sales as well as the ultimate survival of the list?
I've been on this list off and on since it was based in
Canada; it's been valuable and interesting; and I think it
would be a shame to see it turned into a restricted list.
Gerry
...


On 7/26/2014 8:43 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:

kleb said he'd make me a moderator, but it seems he's not
going to do it :(

..


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
  wrote:

Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of
Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved?

 OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote:

40k is tiny.  hard to get a 40k pic worth seeing when we met, let alone now


With the usual email overhead, it's closer to 20k if you want the email 
containing the pic to slip under the 40k limit.

I assume 40k is to prevent digest quoting or hostile script attachments.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
Kelley Blue Book on-line is a good resource -- they list a 1987 300E as 
retailing between $4000 and $9500 depending on condition, and in a case 
of accident damage they owe you the RETAIL (replacement) cost, not the 
WHOLESALE (trade-in) value of the car, since their insured damaged YOUR 
car through no fault of your own.


Don't forget tax/title/registration (or transfer of your existing registration).
If they give you what a dealer would charge out the door for the car, less your 
deductible, then you should take their first offer. It just doesn't happen as 
often as it should.


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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

40k is tiny.  hard to get a 40k pic worth seeing when we met, let alone now


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Unless it's below the limit for attachments, which I think is currently
> 40k. Then it should sail right through.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> How do you upload a photo to the site?
> >
> > You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is an
> > email list.
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> > the mail server.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Kelley Blue Book on-line is a good resource -- they list a 1987 300E  
as retailing between $4000 and $9500 depending on condition, and in a  
case of accident damage they owe you the RETAIL (replacement) cost,  
not the WHOLESALE (trade-in) value of the car, since their insured  
damaged YOUR car through no fault of your own.


They try that dodge too.  Offered me $1500 for my 300D eight years ago  
when some dimbulb ran a stop light and totaled it.  I laughed, retail  
was 4-6 and it has gone UP since then -- highly desirable car and  
limited supply.


Most auto adjusters are clueless about the value of a Benz, they  
rarely encounter one, it's almost exclusively Detroit of Japanese  
disposable cars.


And I guess  most people don't care if they are getting screwed, or  
they would do something about it.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.  As we've all heard of or dealt with similar situations over the years, 
it's crazy to accept their initial offer.  Do your due diligence and find as 
much supporting documentation that you can.  We have so many great resources 
available to us today that it's crazy to accept their offer unless you know 
it's fair.  They're going to go to the books, which often have limited or no 
information, making their offers ridiculously low.  What they won't tell you is 
that Black Book values are often well above what they will offer - you can get 
Black Book values from your bank or credit union.  BB used to be "Cars of 
Particular Interest", a great resource I used to subscribe to when they used to 
offer the service to consumers.  It's based on wholesale auction data, so it's 
very relevant and accurate.

If you have proof of sales that support your numbers they're going to push back 
a lot less, so it appears.

Their biggest concern is closing out the claim and getting it off the books.  
In other words, how little will it take to make you go away?

Dan

On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

> My brother had the same experience this spring when some idiot pulled out in 
> front of my niece and ripped the left headlight and fender up on the 300E.  
> Initial offer was $1600 and dumpster the car, my brother vigorously objected, 
> and they eventually admitted a comparable car in similar condition (very 
> nice, fairly low milage) was much higher.
> 
> They could only find a single example for sale nation wide at the time, in 
> Califormia, for $6500.
> 
> Finally cut him a check for $3000 and he fixed it himself, no salvage title 
> (which they insisted they could issue.  I don't think so, the State of 
> Indiana issues tittles here).
> 
> Fight the bastards.  I personally think issuing lowball offers of insurance 
> payments when the company is covering an insured at fault should result in s 
> substantial jail time and large fine fraud felony conviction, but the 
> insurance industry obviously has the ear of legislators.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Mr. Glock is your friend

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On 7/27/14 7:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This car is in a sketchy neighborhood, so I'm not sure I want to look at it or 
not.  If I do I may take someone with me

Thanks,

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

My brother had the same experience this spring when some idiot pulled  
out in front of my niece and ripped the left headlight and fender up  
on the 300E.  Initial offer was $1600 and dumpster the car, my brother  
vigorously objected, and they eventually admitted a comparable car in  
similar condition (very nice, fairly low milage) was much higher.


They could only find a single example for sale nation wide at the  
time, in Califormia, for $6500.


Finally cut him a check for $3000 and he fixed it himself, no salvage  
title (which they insisted they could issue.  I don't think so, the  
State of Indiana issues tittles here).


Fight the bastards.  I personally think issuing lowball offers of  
insurance payments when the company is covering an insured at fault  
should result in s substantial jail time and large fine fraud felony  
conviction, but the insurance industry obviously has the ear of  
legislators.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Finderer

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Did some research on BW and found that this is not an uncommon problem for the 
722.3/4/5 transmissions.  Seems that they use a combination of vacuum and 
throttle position to delay upshifts (sound familiar, diesel owners?)  There is 
a vacuum valve and relay that do this, and one or both are often the culprit 
along with possibly breaks or leaks in the related vacuum lines.

With this in mind I think I'll have a look see today if I can track down the 
seller.

Dan


On Jul 27, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

> Thanks, Hendrick.
> 
> From the PP posts it sounds like there is a solenoid that controls the 
> Upshift from 3rd gear that may be wonky.
> 
> I'm going to do some searching to see if I can find out more on this issue...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:42 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty sure it's the crappy 722.5 box, essentially a 722.4 with electronic 
>> overdrive but not as robust as the 722.4 
>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/6719-1995-s320-transmission-problem.html
>>  however for that sort of money you can't go too far wrong, Klebby will 
>> probably give you 500 for it, if all else fails.
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who has a wonky 190E to fix
>> 
>>> On 27/07/14 12:21, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price.  Call
>>> Potomac German Auto to find out the price of a good used transmission.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller
 says the problem is that "It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas
 peddle for it to kick into gear."
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html
 
 I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not
 sure if it's a 722.6
 
 Anyone know?  Things to look for?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Unless it's below the limit for attachments, which I think is currently 40k. 
Then it should sail right through.

Dan

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
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> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
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>> How do you upload a photo to the site?
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Finderer

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Hendrick.

>From the PP posts it sounds like there is a solenoid that controls the Upshift 
>from 3rd gear that may be wonky.

I'm going to do some searching to see if I can find out more on this issue...

Dan

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:42 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
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> Pretty sure it's the crappy 722.5 box, essentially a 722.4 with electronic 
> overdrive but not as robust as the 722.4 
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/6719-1995-s320-transmission-problem.html
>  however for that sort of money you can't go too far wrong, Klebby will 
> probably give you 500 for it, if all else fails.
> 
> Hendrik
> who has a wonky 190E to fix
> 
>> On 27/07/14 12:21, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price.  Call
>> Potomac German Auto to find out the price of a good used transmission.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller
>>> says the problem is that "It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas
>>> peddle for it to kick into gear."
>>> 
>>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not
>>> sure if it's a 722.6
>>> 
>>> Anyone know?  Things to look for?
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I'm not real clear on the change where they went to the 722.6 tranny.

I wonder if it shifts manually... That would be a giveaway.

This car is in a sketchy neighborhood, so I'm not sure I want to look at it or 
not.  If I do I may take someone with me

Thanks,

Dan

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> On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate?  It's a 722 tranny but I'm not 
>> sure if it's a 722.6
> 
> I didn't think ANYTHING had a 5p automatic in 1995 so I doubt it's electronic.
> Conductor plate is often intermittent downshifts going down the road, 
> progressing to limp home in a single gear, I think it's 2nd.
> 
> I'd expect the usual; vacuum problem, kickdown problem, linkage bushings, 
> gummy valve body...
> 
> Mitch.

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