[MBZ] So what do I want?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My '84 190D is seeing its last winter, the tin worm has gotten pretty serious 
and I can't see putting a bunch of money into it.Since its our third car and I 
commute almost exclusively with the Jetta I can have the third car be a toy. I 
like the idea of staying in the MB family although if I found a good deal on 
something else I'd snag it. Dan is so enamored of the 140 I thought maybe I'd 
give that a try. My tentative budget is around $3000 which is twice what I paid 
for the Jetta or either of my 240Ds. I'm not stuck on diesel (good right?) 
since its our third car economy isn't a huge issue...
I did find a 280SL R107 on craigslist and vaguely remember that the 6 cylinder 
is the desirable one even if its still a 107. That one is cheap because it 
doesn't run, guy says it needs a fuel pump.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Does your 190D have a manual transmission?

Transplant the 190D drive train into the 280SL.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Dan is so enamored of the 140 I thought maybe I'd give that a try. I'm not 
stuck on diesel (good right?) since its our third car economy isn't a huge 
issue...


Good to be willing to look at gassers when I've seen exactly one W140 ever that 
purported to come from the factory with a non-rodbender diesel installed in it.



I did find a 280SL R107 on craigslist and vaguely remember that the 6 cylinder 
is the desirable one even if its still a 107. That one is cheap because it 
doesn't run, guy says it needs a fuel pump.



...and a fuel distributor, and probably a warm-up regulator, and injectors...

Few things are a bigger PITA than a K- or KE-Jetronic car that's sat for a year 
or more.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Nope, its an auto which is maybe one reason I've never really loved it. Its 
been a good car but not a great car, not one I remember for years and years 
anyway.
The Jetta has spoiled me for power, I'd rather have its engine in the 280SL... 
;)
-Curt
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
   
Does your 190D have a manual transmission?

Transplant the 190D drive train into the 280SL.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

One comment to add:
On the bad fuel pump car, if you can get it for a parts/salvage/I'd buy it and 
stick a diesel in it price, you can always pay the man, take the title and keys, 
jumper the fuel pump relay, and cross your fingers. 		


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Nope, its an auto which is maybe one reason I've never really loved it. Its 
been a good car but not a great car, not one I remember for years and years 
anyway.
The Jetta has spoiled me for power, I'd rather have its engine in the 280SL... 
;)


I'd put any MB turbo diesel in a R107, but would not put a NA engine in it 
unless you need to use two digit numbers to count the number of intake valves.


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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I learned more than 70 years ago with the family's '37 Ford that NOTHING is 
more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Dan is so enamored of the 140 I thought maybe I'd give that a try. I'm 
not stuck on diesel (good right?) since its our third car economy isn't a 
huge issue...


Good to be willing to look at gassers when I've seen exactly one W140 ever 
that purported to come from the factory with a non-rodbender diesel 
installed in it.


I did find a 280SL R107 on craigslist and vaguely remember that the 6 
cylinder is the desirable one even if its still a 107. That one is cheap 
because it doesn't run, guy says it needs a fuel pump.



...and a fuel distributor, and probably a warm-up regulator, and 
injectors...


Few things are a bigger PITA than a K- or KE-Jetronic car that's sat for a 
year or more.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

<< NOTHING is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.>>

Unless you are on a date and the gal you are with jumps out and helps you
push, shoulder to shoulder.. Then, she's a "keeper" .. Take her home to
mother and then marry her.

One of my first cars was a 37 Ford club coupe with a 60 hp flathead. It had
a bad vapor lock problem. Every time you parked, the heat from the engine
would boil the gas in the gas line to the carb and make a pressure bubble
that stopped fuel flow.. sometimes, while you were driving hard, it would
do the same thing..

I solved the problem by putting a Chrysler Fire Dome 392 Hemi engine in
it... then the only problems I had were breaking axles and trying to get
enough brakes to stop it.. ha.. [well, that and a little speed wobble
because the Hemi engine was about 3 times the weight of the flat head the
car was designed for].

Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the car cost me
$100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi engine from cost me
$25.00 and "I did it my way"...

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:22 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I learned more than 70 years ago with the family's '37 Ford that NOTHING
> is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
>
>
>  Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Dan is so enamored of the 140 I thought maybe I'd give that a try. I'm
>>> not stuck on diesel (good right?) since its our third car economy isn't a
>>> huge issue...
>>>
>>
>> Good to be willing to look at gassers when I've seen exactly one W140
>> ever that purported to come from the factory with a non-rodbender diesel
>> installed in it.
>>
>>  I did find a 280SL R107 on craigslist and vaguely remember that the 6
>>> cylinder is the desirable one even if its still a 107. That one is cheap
>>> because it doesn't run, guy says it needs a fuel pump.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ...and a fuel distributor, and probably a warm-up regulator, and
>> injectors...
>>
>> Few things are a bigger PITA than a K- or KE-Jetronic car that's sat for
>> a year or more.
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

This exact thing happened to me back in 2005. Overheated on the nj turnpike
with my sailboat on the roof. Pulled over and v low coolant! No visible
leaks. Did it at long intervals until monovalve was replaced. Head seemed
to survive but one could easily have cooked it on the freeway listening to
radio for hours.
On Dec 23, 2014 11:52 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> I believe it was Dimitri that made this allegation.  I don't see anything
> of the sort happening.  WOrst case scenario, they leak some coolant and hte
> tmperature gauge rises.  In that case, stop the car and investigate prior
> to running dry and blowing anything up.
>
> BTW, do you know a source for French Arcoroc clear dining plates and
> bowls?  Used is also fine.  I am short some rimless 8" soup bowls (coupe
> style).
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
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>
> > Andrew,
> >I don't normally get involved in these discussions, but I'm
> > intrigued by the blow up your engine comment.  How would a monovalve do
> > that?  I could understand a stuck thermostat or some such, but a
> > monovalve?  It must be doing something that I'm not familiar with.
> >  Please explain.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com  (new)
> > www.southernnightsantiques.com  (antique)
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Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> G wrote:
> 

> Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the
> car cost me $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi
> engine from cost me $25.00 and "I did it my way"...

Let's see what those numbers translate to in today's dollars -
based on fuel price.  If we pick $3.30 per gallon, which is
reasonable for before the crude oil silliness started...

"Gas was $3.30 a gallon, the car cost me $3000, the wrecked doner
car cost me $750..."

Looks to me like it sort of lines up with a inflation factor of 30x.

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[MBZ] Air Cleaner Housing on CLK 350

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Regarding my '08 CLK 350...Can I start the engine and let it run for a
spell without the air cleaner housing installed? I have developed a small
oil drip from somewhere on the drivers rear of the engine and it's dripping
on the exhaust and the only way I can see it (I think) is with the air
cleaner housing removed and using an inspection mirror. Ugh...
I don't know if running it without the housing installed will annoy the
computer.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Pretty much spot on.. if you add in the devaluation factor of the dollar,
then vs now.. might more than double those numbers.

Also, it would be remiss not to include the cost of the divorce lawyers and
alimony after that sweet little gal that got out and helped you push the
old ford had 2.4 kids with you, got womens liberation, decided she was
"held back from the work place" and you paid for her college degrees, then
the lawyers, then the child support... et al..

Agh... what a mess we've made of it...

[No wonder men go to war . ;)) ]

Grant...

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > G wrote:
> >
>
> > Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the
> > car cost me $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi
> > engine from cost me $25.00 and "I did it my way"...
>
> Let's see what those numbers translate to in today's dollars -
> based on fuel price.  If we pick $3.30 per gallon, which is
> reasonable for before the crude oil silliness started...
>
> "Gas was $3.30 a gallon, the car cost me $3000, the wrecked doner
> car cost me $750..."
>
> Looks to me like it sort of lines up with a inflation factor of 30x.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Amen.
> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
> make
> > long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
> > or variations in prices.
> > Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
> that
> > it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What determines the pricing criteria - age?

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> I'm rather fond of Wild Turkey.  I've seen three different
> grades, over the years.  Not surprisingly, the most expensive
> was the best.  (Rare Breed?)  I have not done any kind of
> exhaustive search.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Do you mean .11 or 11 cents/gallon?

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> << NOTHING is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.>>
>
> Unless you are on a date and the gal you are with jumps out and helps you
> push, shoulder to shoulder.. Then, she's a "keeper" .. Take her home to
> mother and then marry her.
>
> One of my first cars was a 37 Ford club coupe with a 60 hp flathead. It had
> a bad vapor lock problem. Every time you parked, the heat from the engine
> would boil the gas in the gas line to the carb and make a pressure bubble
> that stopped fuel flow.. sometimes, while you were driving hard, it would
> do the same thing..
>
> I solved the problem by putting a Chrysler Fire Dome 392 Hemi engine in
> it... then the only problems I had were breaking axles and trying to get
> enough brakes to stop it.. ha.. [well, that and a little speed wobble
> because the Hemi engine was about 3 times the weight of the flat head the
> car was designed for].
>
> Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the car cost me
> $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi engine from cost me
> $25.00 and "I did it my way"...
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:22 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I learned more than 70 years ago with the family's '37 Ford that NOTHING
> > is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
> >
> >
> >  Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dan is so enamored of the 140 I thought maybe I'd give that a try. I'm
> >>> not stuck on diesel (good right?) since its our third car economy
> isn't a
> >>> huge issue...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Good to be willing to look at gassers when I've seen exactly one W140
> >> ever that purported to come from the factory with a non-rodbender diesel
> >> installed in it.
> >>
> >>  I did find a 280SL R107 on craigslist and vaguely remember that the 6
> >>> cylinder is the desirable one even if its still a 107. That one is
> cheap
> >>> because it doesn't run, guy says it needs a fuel pump.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ...and a fuel distributor, and probably a warm-up regulator, and
> >> injectors...
> >>
> >> Few things are a bigger PITA than a K- or KE-Jetronic car that's sat for
> >> a year or more.
> >>
> >> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Original Message  
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:01 PM
To: G Mann; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

>Do you mean .11 or 11 >cents/gallon?

My guess would be $.119 a gallon. 

Rick 
Who remembers gas at $.289 a gallon and smokes at $.28 a pack. 

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[MBZ] OT The Queen of Digital Denial...

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Finally wakes ‎up... maybe. 

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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 11 cents is problematic, so 11 hundredths of a cent is pre-industrial
revolution pricing.

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> ‎Original Message
> From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:01 PM
> To: G Mann; Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
>
> >Do you mean .11 or 11 >cents/gallon?
>
> My guess would be $.119 a gallon.
>
> Rick
> Who remembers gas at $.289 a gallon and smokes at $.28 a pack.
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

11 cents.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 
To: "G Mann" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?



Do you mean .11 or 11 cents/gallon?

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 


wrote:


<< NOTHING is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.>>

Unless you are on a date and the gal you are with jumps out and helps you
push, shoulder to shoulder.. Then, she's a "keeper" .. Take her home to
mother and then marry her.

One of my first cars was a 37 Ford club coupe with a 60 hp flathead. It 
had

a bad vapor lock problem. Every time you parked, the heat from the engine
would boil the gas in the gas line to the carb and make a pressure bubble
that stopped fuel flow.. sometimes, while you were driving hard, it would
do the same thing..

I solved the problem by putting a Chrysler Fire Dome 392 Hemi engine in
it... then the only problems I had were breaking axles and trying to get
enough brakes to stop it.. ha.. [well, that and a little speed wobble
because the Hemi engine was about 3 times the weight of the flat head the
car was designed for].

Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the car cost 
me

$100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi engine from cost me
$25.00 and "I did it my way"...

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wrote:

> I learned more than 70 years ago with the family's '37 Ford that 
> NOTHING

> is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
>
>
>  Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Dan is so enamored of the 140 I thought maybe I'd give that a try. 
>>> I'm

>>> not stuck on diesel (good right?) since its our third car economy
isn't a
>>> huge issue...
>>>
>>
>> Good to be willing to look at gassers when I've seen exactly one W140
>> ever that purported to come from the factory with a non-rodbender 
>> diesel

>> installed in it.
>>
>>  I did find a 280SL R107 on craigslist and vaguely remember that the 6
>>> cylinder is the desirable one even if its still a 107. That one is
cheap
>>> because it doesn't run, guy says it needs a fuel pump.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ...and a fuel distributor, and probably a warm-up regulator, and
>> injectors...
>>
>> Few things are a bigger PITA than a K- or KE-Jetronic car that's sat 
>> for

>> a year or more.
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT The Queen of Digital Denial...

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

If BB would/could make a deal with Apple to make a BB iphone, maybe 
people would use them.


More likely that Apple would just spend some of its billions and buy 
BB.  Then we could have an iBB



Finally wakes up... maybe. 


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[MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

PC Guru's,

My HP laptop (which is over six years old) is finally starting to die.
Twice now the screen has gone dark.  If I shine a bright light into the
screen I can see the display, and shut-down the laptop.  Re-starting the
laptop immediately restored the screen the first time this happened.


Worth attempting a repair?

Anyone know of a great deal on a new laptop?  I've just purchased a copy of
Win7 OS, so if I can get a better deal on a laptop sans OS, that would be
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably the cable from the main board to the inverter. Could be the inverter 
or a lamp, but I would bet on the cable first.

A fairly easy DIY repair if you're careful and take your time.

What's the model number?

Dan

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> PC Guru's,
> 
> My HP laptop (which is over six years old) is finally starting to die.
> Twice now the screen has gone dark.  If I shine a bright light into the
> screen I can see the display, and shut-down the laptop.  Re-starting the
> laptop immediately restored the screen the first time this happened.
> 
> 
> Worth attempting a repair?
> 
> Anyone know of a great deal on a new laptop?  I've just purchased a copy of
> Win7 OS, so if I can get a better deal on a laptop sans OS, that would be
> great.
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Re: [MBZ] OT The Queen of Digital Denial...

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
Finally wakes ‎up... maybe. 


http://www.komando.com/happening-now/290211/after-hack-sony-used-what/all


And one of the links at the bottom of the page:
http://www.komando.com/happening-now/290207/this-new-mercedes-drives-itself-when-you-fall-asleep

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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Evertek.com has good deals on refurbs and such.  You have to register 
as a reseller or business to get prices, or you could just call them 
for a price.  $300 will generally get you a decent laptop, or they 
have Macbooks for 300 to 1200




PC Guru's,

My HP laptop (which is over six years old) is finally starting to die.
Twice now the screen has gone dark.  If I shine a bright light into the
screen I can see the display, and shut-down the laptop.  Re-starting the
laptop immediately restored the screen the first time this happened.


Worth attempting a repair?

Anyone know of a great deal on a new laptop?  I've just purchased a copy of
Win7 OS, so if I can get a better deal on a laptop sans OS, that would be
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan,

It's an HP Pavilion dv6700, the service tag says dv6809wm.  I can send you
the s/n and p/n if needed.

I would be glad to attempt replacing the cable (or other parts).  Is there
a sure way to diagnose?

Let me know if you have a source for parts.

Thanks,
Max

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Probably the cable from the main board to the inverter. Could be the
> inverter or a lamp, but I would bet on the cable first.
>
> A fairly easy DIY repair if you're careful and take your time.
>
> What's the model number?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Curly, I'll take a look.


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Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I was heading to deer camp I spent the night at a friends place. I'd just 
picked up a new sleeping bag, I explained I'd bought it because the big one I 
already had was too big to keep warm without Angie. He suggested I needed 
another Angie. I fell back on that old saw "Its cheaper to keep her."
-Curt
  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: fmiser ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?
   
Pretty much spot on.. if you add in the devaluation factor of the dollar,
then vs now.. might more than double those numbers.

Also, it would be remiss not to include the cost of the divorce lawyers and
alimony after that sweet little gal that got out and helped you push the
old ford had 2.4 kids with you, got womens liberation, decided she was
"held back from the work place" and you paid for her college degrees, then
the lawyers, then the child support... et al..

Agh... what a mess we've made of it...

[No wonder men go to war . ;)) ]

Grant...

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > G wrote:
> >
>
> > Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the
> > car cost me $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi
> > engine from cost me $25.00 and "I did it my way"...
>
> Let's see what those numbers translate to in today's dollars -
> based on fuel price.  If we pick $3.30 per gallon, which is
> reasonable for before the crude oil silliness started...
>
> "Gas was $3.30 a gallon, the car cost me $3000, the wrecked doner
> car cost me $750..."
>
> Looks to me like it sort of lines up with a inflation factor of 30x.
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[MBZ] MB technology WAS: The Queen of Digital Denial...

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

And one of the links at the bottom of the page:
http://www.komando.com/happening-now/290207/this-new-mercedes-drives-itself-when-you-fall-asleep

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Quote from the article:  "technology introduced in Mercedes cars - 
side airbags, adaptive cruise control, automated parking, etc. - 
usually ends up in less expensive cars within 10 years."


That is a very short list.  The real list would be very long. From 
1959 on, just what I can think of off the top of my head:  Crumple 
zones for safety, crumple/collapsible steering shaft, padded steering 
wheel, pop off mirrors, steering lock, independent suspension, (all 
1959) McPherson struts, (1984) Front disk brakes (1963) 4 wheel disk 
brakes (1968) ABS (1983)   This is still a very short list  feel 
free to add.  There are so many firsts in MB, that it would take 
pages to list them all.


The 1914 MB I saw in BC had an electric starter.  That surprised me. 
I thought starters came in Post WWI.

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[MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and 
the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor jack 
for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) 
and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the "3 Ton 
Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack 
today so it seems like a good deal...
Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't see 
spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
Thoughts?
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Looking on Newegg, PriceWatch, and TigerDirect, refurbished Dell's and
Lenovo Thinkpads can be had for $250 to $300 or so.

Any other websites recommended?

-Max


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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have had no problems with HF jacks.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 6:46 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
> 
> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack
on its
> side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and
the
> removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor
jack for
> some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 2.5hp)
> and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the "3
Ton
> Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 1.5ton
jack
> today so it seems like a good deal...
> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any
> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't
see
> spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> Thoughts?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I have two of them, the 1.5 ton "racing" jack, which has the nice long
handle and decent height; and a removable-handle portable jack.  I use the
racing jack all the time for lifting the cars at home.  I use the portable
jack when anticipating a requirement while away from home, typically
jacking my sailboat up by the keel in order to shift it left or right on
the boat trailer.

I'd get another.


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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have 3-4 of their jacks and all are good

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and 
> the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor 
> jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 
> 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the 
> "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 
> 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> Thoughts?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.I've fixed a couple of HP G60's with bad video cables as the way that HP 
passes the cable by the hinge is not too brilliant.The cables are available 
from lots of places, like ebay or amazon. Usually under $20.As Dan said slow 
and relaxed is the way to go.The inverter for the CFL (lamp) is sometimes 
flukey, also not expensive.Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:25:07 -0500
> To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> Dan,
> 
> It's an HP Pavilion dv6700, the service tag says dv6809wm.  I can send you
> the s/n and p/n if needed.
> 
> I would be glad to attempt replacing the cable (or other parts).  Is there
> a sure way to diagnose?
> 
> Let me know if you have a source for parts.
> 
> Thanks,
> Max
  
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curt.My main Jack is an HF supplied device. No problems in almost 4 years.Just 
keep the wheels lubricated.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 23:46:24 +
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and 
> the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor 
> jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 
> 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the 
> "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 
> 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> Thoughts?
> -Curt
  
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I have a three ton HF steel jack that started leaking about a year after I 
bought it. 
I also have a HF 2 ton aluminum racing jack which works perfectly and is easy 
to move around. I would strongly recommend that one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and 
> the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor 
> jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 
> 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the 
> "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 
> 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> Thoughts?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they 
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that 
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but 
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer 
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running 
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the 
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.


in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota 
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame 
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as 
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old 
W123.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:


The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not

make

long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and

that

it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sounds like the HF jacks are worth having. The big question for me now is if 
it'll fit under the Jetta. The on sale one is 5" minimum. I may need the low 
clearance. The aluminum one is 30# less than steel, 2 tons gives a good safety 
factor, I'll never be lifting the whole Jetta, can't even lift a whole end, 
theres nowhere to put the jack...
Guess I'll wait for the Aluminum one to go on sale.
-Curt
  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
   
I have a three ton HF steel jack that started leaking about a year after I 
bought it. 
I also have a HF 2 ton aluminum racing jack which works perfectly and is easy 
to move around. I would strongly recommend that one.

Sent from my iPhone



> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and 
> the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor 
> jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 
> 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the 
> "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 
> 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> Thoughts?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
of those as we now do for the old 
W123."Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and 
considering their cost when new much less common...
I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". The real 
killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted 
out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters 
that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 
range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like 
rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. 
Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff 
solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were reliable..." Its a 16 year 
old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able 
to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more 
knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.

-Curt
Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Dwight Giles 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
   
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they 
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that 
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but 
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer 
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running 
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the 
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

    in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota 
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame 
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as 
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old 
W123.


cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
>>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I found one site where a guy said "Just buy a Hein Werner" with a link to one 
at $500+. If I wrenched professionally I'd get one but I can't justify 4X the 
cost of a HF...
-Curt
  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond  
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
   
They have 2.5 ton and maybe three ton aluminum ones too. I lifted my 240D with 
it many times. I also lifted the whole back end of my pagoda with it from the 
differential. The pagoda is not a light car.
Another option would be to buy a reconditioned Hein Werner or Lincoln or 
Walker. Good old USA made jacks. Jon bought one from a shop in MA somewhere. It 
is a beast.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Sounds like the HF jacks are worth having. The big question for me now is if 
it'll fit under the Jetta. The on sale one is 5" minimum. I may need the low 
clearance. The aluminum one is 30# less than steel, 2 tons gives a good safety 
factor, I'll never be lifting the whole Jetta, can't even lift a whole end, 
theres nowhere to put the jack...
Guess I'll wait for the Aluminum one to go on sale.
-Curt
  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
   
I have a three ton HF steel jack that started leaking about a year after I 
bought it. 
I also have a HF 2 ton aluminum racing jack which works perfectly and is easy 
to move around. I would strongly recommend that one.

Sent from my iPhone



> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and 
> the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" floor 
> jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 
> 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the 
> "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 
> 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> Thoughts?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to 
> replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have 
> so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> replace it.
> 
>in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
> has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
> modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
> miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
> sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
> of those as we now do for the old W123.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
>> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>> happen to be.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Amen.
>>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>>> make
 long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
 or variations in prices.
 Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>>> that
 it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Ask Jon. He payed way less than that for a reconditioned unit. It is a 3 ton 
Hein Werner but it is way sturdier than any other three ton jack that I have 
ever seen.

It is nevertheless a very heavy tool. I still love my 2 ton HF aluminum unit. I 
lug it around with one hand and it has a couple of built in handles for that 
purpose. It also appears to be very well made.  

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I found one site where a guy said "Just buy a Hein Werner" with a link to one 
> at $500+. If I wrenched professionally I'd get one but I can't justify 4X the 
> cost of a HF...
> -Curt
>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond  
> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
> 
> They have 2.5 ton and maybe three ton aluminum ones too. I lifted my 240D 
> with it many times. I also lifted the whole back end of my pagoda with it 
> from the differential. The pagoda is not a light car.
> Another option would be to buy a reconditioned Hein Werner or Lincoln or 
> Walker. Good old USA made jacks. Jon bought one from a shop in MA somewhere. 
> It is a beast.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sounds like the HF jacks are worth having. The big question for me now is if 
> it'll fit under the Jetta. The on sale one is 5" minimum. I may need the low 
> clearance. The aluminum one is 30# less than steel, 2 tons gives a good 
> safety factor, I'll never be lifting the whole Jetta, can't even lift a whole 
> end, theres nowhere to put the jack...
> Guess I'll wait for the Aluminum one to go on sale.
> -Curt
>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
> 
> I have a three ton HF steel jack that started leaking about a year after I 
> bought it. 
> I also have a HF 2 ton aluminum racing jack which works perfectly and is easy 
> to move around. I would strongly recommend that one.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
>> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
>> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough 
>> and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" 
>> floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor 
>> (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which 
>> includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking 
>> $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
>> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
>> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
>> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
>> Thoughts?
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.

when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.


cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 16:43, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 wrote:

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our 
MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not "bulletproof", as does the 
fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not 
"bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not 
even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running 
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what 
we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of 
those as we now do for the old W123.


cheers!
e



On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:


The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not

make

long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and

that

it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Fred.

How do I figure out the part number(s)?

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max.I've fixed a couple of HP G60's with bad video cables as the way that
> HP passes the cable by the hinge is not too brilliant.The cables are
> available from lots of places, like ebay or amazon. Usually under $20.As
> Dan said slow and relaxed is the way to go.The inverter for the CFL (lamp)
> is sometimes flukey, also not expensive.Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I hit Craigslist and found a basic steel floor jack for $45, I'm considering 
offering $30. I've actually got one but it leaked at the pump and by the time I 
finally found the correct replacement o-ring I'd lost the plastic follower and 
I can't remember the order of the follower and o-ring anyway...Figure I'm 
better off to start with a new jack and use the handle from the other one 
(which I got free anyway) as a cheater bar for which it works excellently.
-Curt
  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
   
Ask Jon. He payed way less than that for a reconditioned unit. It is a 3 ton 
Hein Werner but it is way sturdier than any other three ton jack that I have 
ever seen.

It is nevertheless a very heavy tool. I still love my 2 ton HF aluminum unit. I 
lug it around with one hand and it has a couple of built in handles for that 
purpose. It also appears to be very well made.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I found one site where a guy said "Just buy a Hein Werner" with a link to one 
> at $500+. If I wrenched professionally I'd get one but I can't justify 4X the 
> cost of a HF...
> -Curt
>      From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond  
> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
> 
> They have 2.5 ton and maybe three ton aluminum ones too. I lifted my 240D 
> with it many times. I also lifted the whole back end of my pagoda with it 
> from the differential. The pagoda is not a light car.
> Another option would be to buy a reconditioned Hein Werner or Lincoln or 
> Walker. Good old USA made jacks. Jon bought one from a shop in MA somewhere. 
> It is a beast.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sounds like the HF jacks are worth having. The big question for me now is if 
> it'll fit under the Jetta. The on sale one is 5" minimum. I may need the low 
> clearance. The aluminum one is 30# less than steel, 2 tons gives a good 
> safety factor, I'll never be lifting the whole Jetta, can't even lift a whole 
> end, theres nowhere to put the jack...
> Guess I'll wait for the Aluminum one to go on sale.
> -Curt
>      From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
> 
> I have a three ton HF steel jack that started leaking about a year after I 
> bought it. 
> I also have a HF 2 ton aluminum racing jack which works perfectly and is easy 
> to move around. I would strongly recommend that one.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
>> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on 
>> its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough 
>> and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a "real" 
>> floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor 
>> (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which 
>> includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking 
>> $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
>> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
>> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
>> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
>> Thoughts?
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have 
higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.


i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that 
that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA.


i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 
123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 
years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as 
possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile 
weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just 
over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up 
both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can 
practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them.
ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no 
rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from 
an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and 
Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working 
windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to 
show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm 
still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that 
doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice 
condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go!



cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote:

"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123."
Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older 
and considering their cost when new much less common...


I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". 
The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that 
isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the 
level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple 
on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible 
interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking 
windows/sunroof and failed ACC.


Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the 
shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were 
reliable..." Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with 
only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have 
driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper 
wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.



-Curt

Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...


*From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
*To:* Mercedes Discussion List ; Dwight Giles 


*Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123.


cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>

>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current 
aberration

>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
>>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
>>> ___
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>>>

Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The only consolation we have with our rusty cars is that the dashes rarely 
crack, or rarely crack badly. My '84 190D has a few cracks which I attribute to 
it having some southern heritage...
-Curt
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
   
considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have 
higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.

    i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that 
that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA.

    i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 
123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 
years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as 
possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile 
weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just 
over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up 
both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can 
practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them.
    ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no 
rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from 
an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and 
Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working 
windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to 
show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm 
still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that 
doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice 
condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go!


cheers!
e

  
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Well that is a bit disconcerting. I will still find a way! 

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
> something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.
>when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
>> On 04/Jan/15 16:43, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to 
>> find?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed 
>>> to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
>>> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
>>> have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
>>> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
>>> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
>>> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
>>> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
>>> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
>>> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
>>> replace it.
>>> 
>>>in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
>>> has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
>>> modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 
>>> 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 
>>> 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts 
>>> for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>> 
>>> 
 On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
 bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
 happen to be.
 
 On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Amen.
> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
> make
>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>> or variations in prices.
>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
> that
>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[astrasfogel--- via Mercedes]

Perhaps a better descriptor  is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: 
"they don't break".
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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
:
"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
of those as we now do for the old 
W123."Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and 
considering their cost when new much less common...
I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". The real 
killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted 
out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters 
that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 
range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like 
rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. 
Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff 
solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were reliable..." Its a 16 year 
old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able 
to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more 
knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.
-Curt
Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 To: Mercedes Discussion List < mercedes@okiebenz.com >; Dwight Giles < 
dwight.gi...@gmail.com >
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
   
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.
    in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123.
cheers!
e
On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
>>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
>>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[astrasfogel--- via Mercedes]

A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
:
I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to 
> replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have 
> so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> replace it.
>
>    in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
>has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
>modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
>miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
>sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
>of those as we now do for the old W123.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>> happen to be.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Amen.
>>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>>> make
 long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
 or variations in prices.
 Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>>> that
 it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on its side with a lever. It works 
fine but it really doesn't go high enough and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a 
"real" floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) and 
got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next week which includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel 
Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any Chinesium 
available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't see spending hundreds 
for a "good" unit...


I think mine is 2 1/2 ton. A real floor jack with gears driven by the handle 
that work the valve, goes up to 19" or so. Got it on sale for $39 around 1990. 
It's still my main floor jack. Of course, the one you buy 25 years later will 
not be identical.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

What Dimitri said.  I started calling around to the hydraulic repair shops 
looking for a GOOD floor jack.  I finally found a 2.5 HW in Boston (130 miles, 
but I go there all the time) which had just been totally rebuilt.  I showed up 
and it was 3 ton.  The guy said, “Oh well, I thought it was a 2.5.  Same price: 
$225.”

Look for a good one, and be patient.  Don’t buy crap.


> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:48 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ask Jon. He payed way less than that for a reconditioned unit. It is a 3 ton 
> Hein Werner but it is way sturdier than any other three ton jack that I have 
> ever seen.
> 
> It is nevertheless a very heavy tool. I still love my 2 ton HF aluminum unit. 
> I lug it around with one hand and it has a couple of built in handles for 
> that purpose. It also appears to be very well made.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I found one site where a guy said "Just buy a Hein Werner" with a link to 
>> one at $500+. If I wrenched professionally I'd get one but I can't justify 
>> 4X the cost of a HF...
>> -Curt
>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond  
>> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
>> 
>> They have 2.5 ton and maybe three ton aluminum ones too. I lifted my 240D 
>> with it many times. I also lifted the whole back end of my pagoda with it 
>> from the differential. The pagoda is not a light car.
>> Another option would be to buy a reconditioned Hein Werner or Lincoln or 
>> Walker. Good old USA made jacks. Jon bought one from a shop in MA somewhere. 
>> It is a beast.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sounds like the HF jacks are worth having. The big question for me now is if 
>> it'll fit under the Jetta. The on sale one is 5" minimum. I may need the low 
>> clearance. The aluminum one is 30# less than steel, 2 tons gives a good 
>> safety factor, I'll never be lifting the whole Jetta, can't even lift a 
>> whole end, theres nowhere to put the jack...
>> Guess I'll wait for the Aluminum one to go on sale.
>> -Curt
>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
>> 
>> I have a three ton HF steel jack that started leaking about a year after I 
>> bought it. 
>> I also have a HF 2 ton aluminum racing jack which works perfectly and is 
>> easy to move around. I would strongly recommend that one.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
>>> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack 
>>> on its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high 
>>> enough and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a 
>>> "real" floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new 
>>> compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next 
>>> week which includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They 
>>> were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
>>> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any 
>>> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't 
>>> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
>>> Thoughts?
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I bought a set consisting of a high-lift SUV jack and matching (heavy duty)
jack stands from Sears on sale years ago. I've been very happy with them. I
think I paid around $100 for the set, but that was shortly after I bought
the SDL.

Kaleb, is that jack that you have that won't let a car down slowly typical
of a HF jack?

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use
Fred's phrase,   YMMV.
On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, "ernest breakfield via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have
> higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.
>
> i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that
> *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA.
>
> i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123
> that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago.
> we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's
> always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they
> were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday.
> nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in
> pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as
> we blow by them.
> ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no
> rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an
> a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed
> Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and
> sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of
> being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even
> and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in
> the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard
> to have to consider letting it go!
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
> On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> "sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
>> much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
>> W123."
>> Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and
>> considering their cost when new much less common...
>>
>> I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". The
>> real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all
>> rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real
>> beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in
>> the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of
>> neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC.
>>
>> Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the
>> shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were reliable..." Its
>> a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns.
>> One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a
>> little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds
>> pretty good to me.
>>
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
>>
>> 
>> *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List ; Dwight Giles <
>> dwight.gi...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
>>
>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
>> needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
>> definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
>> junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
>> unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
>> definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
>> they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
>> the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
>> the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
>> almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
>> fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.
>>
>> in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
>> duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
>> including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
>> Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
>> while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
>> much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
>> W123.
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>> e
>>
>>
>> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>> > bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>> > happen to be.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Amen.
>> >> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The fuel 

Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle 
jack on its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't 
go high enough and the removable handle is a drag. I've been 
thinking I wanted a "real" floor jack for some time now. I went to 
HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for 
their "blowout sale" next week which includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty 
Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack 
today so it seems like a good deal...
Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as 
any Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro 
and I can't see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...

Thoughts?
-Curt
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I bought a chinee jack from a farm store 20 years ago.  ($130) It is 
great.  I bought a HF jack about 10 years ago and it is identical  I 
think it was about $80 on sale.  It is nice to have an identical 
pair.  Unfortunately, HF quit selling this jack a year or two ago. 
They weigh about 60 lb.  They are easy to control the release.  I can 
release so slowly you can hardly tell the jack is going down.


These are the 3 ton traditional floor jack.  They are MUCH better 
than crapsman.  We have a crapsman floor jack at work and it it 
uncontrollable.  It is up or wham, the equipment is dropped to the 
floor.


This is as close as anything they have now.
http://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-steel-heavy-duty-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-68048.html
That's what I'd buy if I was looking for a jack.

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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A quick search brought this up:

http://www.getpartsonline.com/hp-compaq-pavilion-dv6700.html

HP has a really good parts and support site to get the part numbers and 
details.  Looking on the site above shows a cable for $15 and the inverter for 
the same.

If you look around you should find disassembly information. You'll need some 
mini-Torx drivers to disassemble the laptop.

The giveaway for a bad display cable is almost always the ability to move the 
display back and forth and have the lamp go out. You pretty well diagnosed it 
yourself by looking at the display with another light source to see that the 
LCD is working.

Dan

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
> It's an HP Pavilion dv6700, the service tag says dv6809wm.  I can send you 
> the s/n and p/n if needed.
> 
> I would be glad to attempt replacing the cable (or other parts).  Is there a 
> sure way to diagnose?
> 
> Let me know if you have a source for parts.
> 
> Thanks,
> Max
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Probably the cable from the main board to the inverter. Could be the 
>> inverter or a lamp, but I would bet on the cable first.
>> 
>> A fairly easy DIY repair if you're careful and take your time.
>> 
>> What's the model number?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
> 
> -- 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan!

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. 
they definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be 
that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running 
B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not 
even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles 
on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to 
get to replace it.


in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's 
Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to 
shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere 
near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do 
for the old W123.


cheers!
e


Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no 
trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.


125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.

when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.

cheers!
e


You said "as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to 
their doorstep and sign them over to them"


If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an amp.

There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean 
and repair fuel senders.


Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be gunked up.

Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years.   Just fill 
it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can 
tell how far you have gone.   (or use an iphone to track miles.)


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

cute, but sadly inaccurate.

ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go 
failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 
miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the 
tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys 
shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that 
these (or any other car) never break is just not true.



cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:



Perhaps a better descriptor  is the one offered by a tech at an indy 
Autohaus: "they don't break".

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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
:


"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for 
either of those as we now do for the old
W123."Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years 
older and considering their cost when new much less common...
I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". 
The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that 
isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the 
level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple 
on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible 
interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking 
windows/sunroof and failed ACC.
Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the 
shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were 
reliable..." Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with 
only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have 
driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper 
wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.


-Curt
Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 To: Mercedes Discussion List < mercedes@okiebenz.com >; Dwight Giles 
< dwight.gi...@gmail.com >

 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123.

cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com >

>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current 
aberration

>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
>>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your 
mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic 
Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer 
are realities that i find sad.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 17:37, Dwight Giles wrote:


By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use 
Fred's phrase,   YMMV.


On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, "ernest breakfield via Mercedes" 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i
have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.

i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point
that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going
NLA.

i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking
for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one
over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect
condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for
thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved),
and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite
like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in
pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers
smiling as we blow by them.
ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost
no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn
signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^
), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually
after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere,
but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof
and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the
only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the
dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so
hard to have to consider letting it go!


cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote:

"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do
for the old
W123."
Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years
older and considering their cost when new much less common...

I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean
"maintainable". The real killer for me on 123 cars is the
inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the
cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters
that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist
in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors
and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking
windows/sunroof and failed ACC.

Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring
to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those
were reliable..." Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles
in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home
from, one I could have driven home from with a little more
knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds
pretty good to me.


-Curt

Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...


*From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
*To:* Mercedes Discussion List mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>; Dwight Giles
mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are
local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to
them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to
be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running
B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even
any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our
300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more
severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep

Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could 
find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to 
get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much 
screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm 
interested in).


don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed 
nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.


these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines 
known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any 
problem getting a fair price for it from someone.



cheers!
e



On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. 
they definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be 
that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running 
B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even 
any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on 
our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles 
related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
replace it.


in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's 
Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to 
shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere 
near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do 
for the old W123.


cheers!
e


Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no 
trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.


125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

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Grant wrote:
> Unless you are on a date and the gal you are with jumps out and helps you
> push, shoulder to shoulder.. Then, she's a "keeper" .. Take her home to
> mother and then marry her.

Been there, done that, still very happy with that lady.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

True, but some vinyl dye can change that.
I would be quite surprised if a replacement dash could be bought for a 1990 
Camry. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:36 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
> 
> --
> Sent from myMail app for Android
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> Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
> :
> 
> I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes < 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >
> > people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed 
> > to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> > "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
> > have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> > doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> > the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> > maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> > where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> > 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> > troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> > replace it.
> >
> >in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
> > has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
> > modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 
> > 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 
> > 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts 
> > for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> >> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> >> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> >> happen to be.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Amen.
> >>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
> >>> make
>  long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>  or variations in prices.
>  Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
> >>> that
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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Rick wrote:
> Who remembers gas at $.289 a gallon and smokes at $.28 a pack.
>

And today...
The singles smokes salesman gets cops to sit on him and dies for
selling singles at $1 each.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, 
your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the 
Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something 
they couldn't get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the 
manufacturer are realities that i find sad.


cheers!
e


Cathey is a verb.

Fred is a list member.

MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts 
than MB.  I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years.


If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it.

1.  Fix the old one
2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker)
3.  Buy a new one from an OEM
4.  Buy a new one from Uro
5.  Adapt one from something else
6.  Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, 
wire and parts on hand.

7.  Bosch parts are available from Bosch

In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity.

I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total.

The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch.  That is how 
the heater is running now.  My next alternative was the resistor unit 
for my old dogde van.  I figured I could wire that in with a 
multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds.   A sub-$1000 car is 
not worth spending $600 to have a heater.  Not having a 
heater/defrost is not an option  in subzero weather.


These are examples of Catheyesque repairs.

Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for 
decades, yet parts are readily available.



KEEP 'Em FLYING!

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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Max,
I have used screens from Laptopscreen.com here's the link for your screen :
https://www.laptopscreen.com/English/model/HP-Compaq/PAVILION~DV6809WM/
Had one just like your's about three weeks ago. Same problem new screen 
solved the problem.
I've replaced around 10 screens last year for clients and used screens 
from LS with no problems.


Russ
On Sun,1/4/15 17:25, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Dan,

It's an HP Pavilion dv6700, the service tag says dv6809wm.  I can send you
the s/n and p/n if needed.

I would be glad to attempt replacing the cable (or other parts).  Is there
a sure way to diagnose?

Let me know if you have a source for parts.

Thanks,
Max

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Probably the cable from the main board to the inverter. Could be the
inverter or a lamp, but I would bet on the cable first.

A fairly easy DIY repair if you're careful and take your time.

What's the model number?

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Jon wrote:
> Look for a good one, and be patient.  Don’t buy crap.

Great advice!!  25 years ago we bought a Lincoln NAPA floor jack.
Probably stupid for the amount of use it has gotten buy it sez USA on
it and that was the selling feature.  Somewhere there is politics in
this, somehow...  National honor, jobs, buy american, whatever.  The
arguments are deeply ingrained for me and I rather do without than
have china stuff that is "affordable" - mind you, the Lincoln NAPA was
not "affordable" but it is what we set our mind to purchase.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Just a word of caution:

NEVER place any body part you want to keep between a car supported only by
a jack and the floor [ground, asphalt et al] .

Use the jack for lifting, use a properly rated jack stand for supporting
the car BEFORE you venture under it. Please make sure the jack stand is
properly seated and on level and solid footing.



On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
>> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack
>> on its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high
>> enough and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a
>> "real" floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new
>> compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next
>> week which includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69. They
>> were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal...
>> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any
>> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't
>> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
>> Thoughts?
>> -Curt
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> I bought a chinee jack from a farm store 20 years ago.  ($130) It is
> great.  I bought a HF jack about 10 years ago and it is identical  I think
> it was about $80 on sale.  It is nice to have an identical pair.
> Unfortunately, HF quit selling this jack a year or two ago. They weigh
> about 60 lb.  They are easy to control the release.  I can release so
> slowly you can hardly tell the jack is going down.
>
> These are the 3 ton traditional floor jack.  They are MUCH better than
> crapsman.  We have a crapsman floor jack at work and it it uncontrollable.
> It is up or wham, the equipment is dropped to the floor.
>
> This is as close as anything they have now.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-steel-heavy-duty-floor-
> jack-with-rapid-pump-68048.html
> That's what I'd buy if I was looking for a jack.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

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Who doesn't know this? Duh.
On Jan 4, 2015 9:42 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Just a word of caution:
>
> NEVER place any body part you want to keep between a car supported only by
> a jack and the floor [ground, asphalt et al] .
>
> Use the jack for lifting, use a properly rated jack stand for supporting
> the car BEFORE you venture under it. Please make sure the jack stand is
> properly seated and on level and solid footing.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack?
> >> I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle
> jack
> >> on its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high
> >> enough and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a
> >> "real" floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new
> >> compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their "blowout sale" next
> >> week which includes the "3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack" for $69.
> They
> >> were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good
> deal...
> >> Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any
> >> Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I
> can't
> >> see spending hundreds for a "good" unit...
> >> Thoughts?
> >> -Curt
> >> ___
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> >
> > I bought a chinee jack from a farm store 20 years ago.  ($130) It is
> > great.  I bought a HF jack about 10 years ago and it is identical  I
> think
> > it was about $80 on sale.  It is nice to have an identical pair.
> > Unfortunately, HF quit selling this jack a year or two ago. They weigh
> > about 60 lb.  They are easy to control the release.  I can release so
> > slowly you can hardly tell the jack is going down.
> >
> > These are the 3 ton traditional floor jack.  They are MUCH better than
> > crapsman.  We have a crapsman floor jack at work and it it
> uncontrollable.
> > It is up or wham, the equipment is dropped to the floor.
> >
> > This is as close as anything they have now.
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-steel-heavy-duty-floor-
> > jack-with-rapid-pump-68048.html
> > That's what I'd buy if I was looking for a jack.
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Russ, I'll check them out.

Looks like my problem is the cable, I've got to "catch it in the act" to
diagnose further.  Problem has happened twice in the last thirty days.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

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-Max wrote:
> Any other websites recommended?

Jaime's good friend runs this place and I have bought stuff from Brian
for years:
computertradeexchange.com
Do you still know Brian? - Jaime?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

What determines the pricing criteria - age?


The two grades are age-based.  The extra-spendy third was
a barrel they opened and said: "Ooooh!"  So they marked it
up even more and gave it its own name.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Now that's a SEGUE!

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Rick wrote:
> > Who remembers gas at $.289 a gallon and smokes at $.28 a pack.
> >
>
> And today...
> The singles smokes salesman gets cops to sit on him and dies for
> selling singles at $1 each.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Curt,

This is the jack I have two of.

http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/larin-3-ton-floor-jack/36087

These are very good, but don't cost $500.   Well worth the $100 plus 
freight.  The paint is different on this one.  Both of mine are 
orange.   Oh, and I was wrong at 60 lb.  This website says 83 lb. 
Check your local farm stores.


With 2, I can jack up both sides at once, or front and back at once.

Some of the jacks HF sells now are the same as crapsman, but without 
as big of a price.  Beware!  Those are crappy jacks.   The HF racing 
jacks are reported to be good for the money.


20% off coupon for HF at HarborFreight.com  They had a 25% off coupon 
for last thurs.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ernie,

Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts?  They have been
pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have
needed.  Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne;  mention my name and I get a free
trip to Hawaii.  :)

SoCal Mercedes Parts
1436 N.Manzanita St.
Orange, CA. 92867
www.socalmercedesparts.com
Phone  714.221.0672
Fax  714.628.0818
Toll Free  888.664.6602

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find
> (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get
> parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed
> unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested
> in).
>
> don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed
> nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.
>
> these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines
> known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any
> problem getting a fair price for it from someone.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>
>
> On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed
>>> to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not
>>> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they
>>> have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their
>>> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof';
>>> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually
>>> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to
>>> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over
>>> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any
>>> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to
>>> replace it.
>>>
>>> in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty
>>> and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all
>>> the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with
>>> over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting
>>> over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting
>>> parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>>
>>
>> Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble
>> buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.
>>
>> 125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Interesting. I have a Larin jack like that as well (actually, I have two). They 
were bought at BJ's 17 years ago and neither one leaks.

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 9:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> This is the jack I have two of.
> 
> http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/larin-3-ton-floor-jack/36087
> 
> These are very good, but don't cost $500.   Well worth the $100 plus freight. 
>  The paint is different on this one.  Both of mine are orange.   Oh, and I 
> was wrong at 60 lb.  This website says 83 lb. Check your local farm stores.
> 
> With 2, I can jack up both sides at once, or front and back at once.
> 
> Some of the jacks HF sells now are the same as crapsman, but without as big 
> of a price.  Beware!  Those are crappy jacks.   The HF racing jacks are 
> reported to be good for the money.
> 
> 20% off coupon for HF at HarborFreight.com  They had a 25% off coupon for 
> last thurs.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

no "Ernie" here, but i have used So Cal Mercedes, at the recommendation 
of the Classic Center. that's been the only way i've been able to keep 
mine running in proper trim, but they've only had used parts for the 
things i've found NLA elsewhere.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 18:59, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Ernie,

Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have 
been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts 
I have needed.  Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get 
a free trip to Hawaii.  :)


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Orange, CA. 92867
www.socalmercedesparts.com 
Phone  714.221.0672
Fax  714.628.0818
Toll Free  888.664.6602

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we
could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't
been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA,
we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff
(which isn't something i'm interested in).

don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is
indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.

these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and
mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i
shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone.


cheers!
e




On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of
parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply
that these cars are definitely not "bulletproof", as does
the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so
many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them
to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used
to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable
while running B100, but the parts availability has changed
to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because
we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost
exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far
more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been
cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications)
than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over
325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while
still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere
near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as
we now do for the old W123.

cheers!
e


Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had
no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.

125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off
your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the 
part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in 
locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of 
keeping it running.


with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly 
not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 18:33, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, 
your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the 
Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they 
couldn't get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the 
manufacturer are realities that i find sad.


cheers!
e


Cathey is a verb.

Fred is a list member.

MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts 
than MB.  I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years.


If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it.

1.  Fix the old one
2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker)
3.  Buy a new one from an OEM
4.  Buy a new one from Uro
5.  Adapt one from something else
6.  Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire 
and parts on hand.

7.  Bosch parts are available from Bosch

In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity.

I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total.

The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch.  That is how the 
heater is running now.  My next alternative was the resistor unit for 
my old dogde van.  I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition 
switch to have 5 heater speeds.   A sub-$1000 car is not worth 
spending $600 to have a heater.  Not having a heater/defrost is not an 
option  in subzero weather.


These are examples of Catheyesque repairs.

Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, 
yet parts are readily available.



KEEP 'Em FLYING!


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.

the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years 
ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to 
use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the 
next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went 
through it without positive result.


the commercially produced BioD we've been using has not been 
attributable to any problem we've had to date. we're not all talking 
about some homebrew crap, or throwing WVO in the tank.


as i said up front; i want a dependable and maintainable vehicle, 
and am not interested in maintaining one as a hobby. we use our cars for 
far to much to hope for the chance to find used parts when/where we need 
them.


we're clearly not interested in maintaining a vehicle at the same 
level.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 17:50, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.
when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good 
sign.


cheers!
e


You said "as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to 
their doorstep and sign them over to them"


If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an 
amp.


There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean 
and repair fuel senders.


Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be 
gunked up.


Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years.   Just fill 
it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can 
tell how far you have gone.   (or use an iphone to track miles.)


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Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I remember the gasoline at that and less, but I'm happy and proud to say 
I've never bought a pack of cigarettes, but I'm thinking that in '30's and 
'40's they were significantly less than $0.28/pack.


That reminds me:  I pulled into a parking space at local hospital at 0700 
last Fri. for an IVIG (intravenous immunoglobulin) treatment.  And some 
damned fool litterbug had empted his/her ashtray right where I had to exit 
the car.  'Had to step onto probably well over a hundred butts in about a 
2-feet diameter circle under my feet.  Made me damned mad again to be 
reminded how too many people throw their garbage out on public property or 
somebody else's property and drive away.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 
To: "Rick Knoble" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?



Rick wrote:

Who remembers gas at $.289 a gallon and smokes at $.28 a pack.



And today...
The singles smokes salesman gets cops to sit on him and dies for
selling singles at $1 each.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[WILTON via Mercedes]

"Porcupine" reminds me:  During a summer maybe 10 years ago, I needed a 
porcupine for my '91 350SDL; 'had it on order and en route, but I needed to 
drive the car on round trip to Williamsburg, VA.  I used a two-pole toggle 
switch to operate the blower for the trip.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140


>not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your 
>mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic 
>Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't 
>get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer 
are realities that i find sad.


cheers!
e


Cathey is a verb.

Fred is a list member.

MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than 
MB.  I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years.


If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it.

1.  Fix the old one
2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker)
3.  Buy a new one from an OEM
4.  Buy a new one from Uro
5.  Adapt one from something else
6.  Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and 
parts on hand.

7.  Bosch parts are available from Bosch

In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity.

I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total.

The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch.  That is how the 
heater is running now.  My next alternative was the resistor unit for my 
old dogde van.  I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch 
to have 5 heater speeds.   A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to 
have a heater.  Not having a heater/defrost is not an option  in subzero 
weather.


These are examples of Catheyesque repairs.

Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet 
parts are readily available.



KEEP 'Em FLYING!

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed 
the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest 
in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of 
keeping it running.


with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll 
certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made 
that a certainty.


cheers!
e


Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every 
european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want 
reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.



Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How 
many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have?  Not 
many, I'd guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.


I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy 
to keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently 
reliable.


You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs 
as long as we can find them and keep them running.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.

the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 
years ago, and actually started working better for a while after 
starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did 
for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning 
process, and went through it without positive result.


12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available.

If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly 
seems a defensible reason to dump the car now.  Why not just fix it?


If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got the car>

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count 
on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised 
it didn't show up before now!


for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was 
NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch 
button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for 
them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much 
better than for the W123.


it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes 
the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not 
while you're on the road.



regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed 
the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in 
locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of 
keeping it running.


with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly 
not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a 
certainty.


cheers!
e


Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every 
european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want 
reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.



Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How 
many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not 
many, I'd guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.


I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy 
to keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently 
reliable.


You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as 
long as we can find them and keep them running.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many 
other cars. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly 
impossible. Not so with Mercedes.

Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car 
parts. Honda is one example.

So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for 
years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts 
aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk.

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On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
>> where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
>>i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking 
>> myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running.
>> 
>>with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
>> buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
> 
> Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european 
> car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable trans, 
> ride a bus or fly a airline seat.
> 
> 
> Or walk.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many parts 
> for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have?  Not many, I'd guess.  
> But that does not mean that you can't get parts.
> 
> I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep 
> running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.
> 
> You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long 
> as we can find them and keep them running.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go:  God help you should you get 
into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much 
rather be in a w123 Mercedes.

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on 
> you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it 
> didn't show up before now!
> 
>for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for 
> either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the 
> J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; 
> much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123.
> 
>it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the 
> difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while 
> you're on the road.
> 
> 
> regards,
> e
> 
> 
> On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
>>> where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
>>>i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in 
>>> locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping 
>>> it running.
>>> 
>>>with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
>>> buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>> 
>> Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every 
>> european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable 
>> trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.
>> 
>> 
>> Or walk.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many 
>> parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd 
>> guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.
>> 
>> I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to 
>> keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.
>> 
>> You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long 
>> as we can find them and keep them running.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

'Head, Curly, whoever you are now,... you seem to be misunderstanding so 
much that i can only hope it's intentional. i'll readdress the points 
you seem to have missed again below one last time for you.


as i said in the very text you quoted below, 12 years ago after i ran 
some B100 through it, i didn't need a Fuel Sender for a while.
i didn't say that was a reason to dump the car. i pointed out the 
lack of the availability of the Fuel Sender as an example of a simple 
item that was no longer supported like what MBZ parts used to be.


also, as i already said in text you quoted below, i did try to fix 
it. obviously, had it been repairable, i wouldn't have needed another one.



regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:12, Curly McLain wrote:

it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.

the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years 
ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting 
to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of 
the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and 
went through it without positive result.


12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available.

If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly seems 
a defensible reason to dump the car now.  Why not just fix it?


If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got 
the car>





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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

On 04/Jan/15 20:31, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many 
other cars.


while that was one of the things that kept us with the brand, our 
experience has been that that's no longer the case.




  Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly impossible. Not 
so with Mercedes.


if you say so; it may be perhaps because of the condition of our 
cars and the condition we keep them in, but i don't recall ever looking 
for interior parts for any car. (i could probably use a First Aid Kit 
door for the W123, but i haven't looked for one yet; that's a recent 
failure, and we've had other issues to deal with.)




Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car 
parts. Honda is one example.


i've no experience with Hondas, but haven't found that to be the 
case with the Mazdas and Toyotas in the family.




So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for 
years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts 
aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk.


if our experience in acquiring new parts were what it used to be 
like, i might agree with you regarding how easy it would be to keep 
these running. but as i've said, i've no interest in hoping i can hunt 
down and find whatever part i might need next time something fails on 
the road, new, let alone used. if that's someone else's idea of fun, 
that's great for them, but i'm not interested.



cheers!
e



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On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:


Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking 
myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running.

with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.

cheers!
e

Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european 
car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable trans, ride 
a bus or fly a airline seat.


Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many parts 
for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have?  Not many, I'd guess.  But 
that does not mean that you can't get parts.

I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep 
running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.

You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as 
we can find them and keep them running.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123.
but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing 
to drive.



cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go:  God help you should you get 
into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much 
rather be in a w123 Mercedes.

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On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 wrote:

there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you 
not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show 
up before now!

for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for 
either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the 
J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much 
as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123.

it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the 
difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're 
on the road.


regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking 
myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running.

with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.

cheers!
e

Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european 
car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable trans, ride 
a bus or fly a airline seat.


Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many parts 
for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess.  But 
that does not mean that you can't get parts.

I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep 
running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.

You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as 
we can find them and keep them running.

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[MBZ] Mixed bag on car repairs today

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Finally got around to fixing the TE today, replaced one rear bearing,  
will do the other next weekend probably since this one was such a pain.


Removing the axle went fine, but no progress trying to remove the hub  
from the bearing with a slide hammer in spite of reports from a  
reliable source that it works (my friend Hans pulled one that way, and  
we were using his slide hammer).


After completely wrecking the bad bearing, we gave up, pulled the  
wheel carrier (which was much faster than screwing around with the  
slide hammer) and took it to my brother's shop and pressed the hub and  
bearing out and the new one in, plus the hub.  We'd moved the hub in  
the bearing maybe 1/8" or so, well and truly stuck.


Also replaced the outer spring link bearing, as the old one was  
missing both boots and rusty -- if the rear end of you W124 creaks  
when you get out, you need to replace it.  Much worse than the wheel  
bearing, which at least came out easily in spite of the fractured  
inner race. The spring link bearing was a real bitch, ended up driving  
it in with a hammer as it refused to press in, and both working  
surfaces are uneven.  We will try a bearing puller on the next cone,  
it  should not be that hard.


We wore my nephew out -- he's training to be a diesel mechanic so I  
use him for all the hard stuff.  I hope he's learning something, he's  
a bit hard headed.


The mixed bag part was that I smelled a bit of gasoline when I drove  
up, and left a puddle when I pulled the car out.  The 1" piece of  
rubber hose on the hard line at the rear of the front fuel pump (from  
the rear pump) has cracked.  So I get to either find a replacement  
hose or take it off and have the guy who made up the line from the  
rear to front pump after two cheap ones split make a new bit for me.   
Nearly all the K-jet cars I've ever seen have a banjo fitting on the  
rear of the fuel pump, why MB put a hose on this one I don't  
understand.  Anyway, I need to fix that on Tuesday evening, it's going  
to be below zero Thursday morning, and I'm quite certain the 300D  
won't start, even if I replace the bad glow plugs tomorrow evening.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Has the screen gone pink too?  More likely a bad fluorescent bulb at  
the bottom of the screen than a bad inverter cable.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Meade wrote:
> 
> Looking on Newegg, PriceWatch, and TigerDirect, refurbished
> Dell's and Lenovo Thinkpads can be had for $250 to $300 or so.
> 
> Any other websites recommended?

Bob Johnson's Computer Stuff.  I have gotten a few Toughbooks.  I
have had a couple minor problems and their support and service has
been good.

http://bobjohnson.com/

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Re: [MBZ] Mixed bag on car repairs today

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I bought the Sir Tools clone of the MB special tool for that outer spring
link bearing/bushing.  I think it was about $100?  Works fine as long as
you get it perfectly lined up, which is not always easy - the brake shield
gets in the way.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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