Re: [MBZ] I'm Proud to be an Okie from Muskogee

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

79 Passed Away on his Birthday

On Wed,4/6/16 22:07, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
That was my first introduction to OK and to Merle Haggard.   RIP 
Merle, you were one of a kind!


I would have guessed he was in his 80s or 90s.

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 23:19:08 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
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> Yep, that's a drain vent.  'Installed most often immediately under
> cabinet top.  Installed in lieu of vent stack through roof.

Sorry, Wilton, it is not a drain vent. It's a vacuum breaker in the drain
line of the dishwasher.


Craig

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[MBZ] Yes, even more on the latest dishwasher saga

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
If you've got in cleaned out and working, I would recommend changing the drain 
as others have suggested and leave the DW alone. Return the Bosch and use the 
money on your true love, your MB cars. Again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 
Or in this case, replace it. 
Roger 
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[MBZ] I'm Proud to be an Okie from Muskogee

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

That was my first introduction to OK and to Merle Haggard.   RIP 
Merle, you were one of a kind!


I would have guessed he was in his 80s or 90s.

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, that's a drain vent.  'Installed most often immediately under cabinet 
top.  Installed in lieu of vent stack through roof.


Wilton

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:32:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:


Does it look like a shallow upside down cup? I think I've seen them
before and wondered what it was. -Curt


It's at the back-left of the sink in the attached picture.


Craig








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Re: [MBZ] If Money and Space Were No Object

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

A guy who lived near me in Houston had a coupla of old Caddies kinda 
like that one, his were limos, maybe from the late 30s?  They looked 
similar.  They were pretty rough, one better than the other but he was 
going to restore one using parts from the other.  They were massive, and 
Very Cool.


--R

On 4/6/16 8:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would like to have this car:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
 


I love my old Cadillac limos.

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Re: [MBZ] If Money and Space Were No Object

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Suweet. So would I.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Apr 6, 2016 8:29 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I would like to have this car:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
> <
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
> >
>
> I love my old Cadillac limos.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Has it joined a govt union recently?  Has it transgendered to female?  
(I understand that behavior can sometimes occur, so I've been told)


If not, I would CHANGE YOUR FUSES then CHECK YOUR FILTERS.  Could be the 
ALDA too?  Are all your hoses connected and that one from the back of 
the intake manifold is not clogged, cracked, broken, or clogged in the 
manifold?


--R

On 4/6/16 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
something else going on here?

Andrew
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1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Clogged fuel filter or other lack of sufficient fuel.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought maladjusted valves led to hard starting woes.  Still, it's been
> awhile since they were adjusted so that could be it.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Valve adjustment?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.
> It
> > > fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for
> > this
> > > behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically
> or
> > is
> > > something else going on here?
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > > 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> > > 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I thought maladjusted valves led to hard starting woes.  Still, it's been
awhile since they were adjusted so that could be it.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

> Valve adjustment?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
> > fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for
> this
> > behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or
> is
> > something else going on here?
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> > 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:02:45 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but
> there is not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to
> having to have the tank pumped more often.

That is correct, but whether the increase frequency of pumping would be
objectionable is debatable.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Valve adjustment?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
> something else going on here?
> 
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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[MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
something else going on here?

Andrew
1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] If Money and Space Were No Object

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

That is nice!

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would like to have this car:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
>  
> 
> 
> I love my old Cadillac limos.
> 
> DAn
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Re: [MBZ] If Money and Space Were No Object

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

WTF:  "Good overall hydroelectrics with 2 of 9 window switches needing
repair."

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would like to have this car:
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
>> <
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
>> >
>>
>> I love my old Cadillac limos.
>>
>> DAn
>>
>
> Send money!
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Project?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Starts but won't run...   What's the simplest and cheapest explanation?

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> Since you volunteered, I'd swap you a food OM603 and trans, car included,
> for the engine and trans out of that SL, assuming it is good.
>
>
> OK Donn sez:  That would be a good candidate for an OM603 swap - - -
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  The price is right:
>>>
>>>  > http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html <
>>
>>>  http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html>
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Dan
>>
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[MBZ] Yes, even more on the latest dishwasher saga

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Last night ran empty load with baking soda and vinegar. Today went to Walmart 
and bought dishwasher magic and ran that. When it was done the washer was 
noticeably cleaner. Ran the load of glasses that have been thru the washer at 
least 5-6 times as well as a few other dishes. The load just got done and they 
are absolutely sparking clean. Unbelievable. So now I have this brand new Bosch 
sitting outside in the suburban new in the box. Do I try to return it? Go ahead 
and install it and keep the maytag as backup in case the one on the rental 
quits, which it is about 6 or more years old now. I knew as soon as I pulled 
the trigger on a new one this would happen. Oh yea I did add a little bit of 
this detergent booster I found at Walmart as well which I suspect is high 
priced citric acid. 

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Re: [MBZ] If Money and Space Were No Object

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I would like to have this car:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390 



I love my old Cadillac limos.

DAn


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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Project?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Since you volunteered, I'd swap you a food OM603 and trans, car 
included, for the engine and trans out of that SL, assuming it is 
good.




OK Donn sez:  That would be a good candidate for an OM603 swap - - -

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 The price is right:


 > http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html <

 http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html>



 > Dan


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[MBZ] If Money and Space Were No Object

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would like to have this car:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Other-/201555896390?forcerrptr=true=item2eedaae846:g:SRIAAOSwMSlXAxuM=201555896390
 


I love my old Cadillac limos.

DAn
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

The "contraption" you mentioned may be a vent, or air admittance valve, 
which is often used in lieu of a vent pipe or stack that otherwise may need 
to protrude through the roof (usually).  Vent to atmosphere is necessary to 
allow the system to drain properly and to prevent the water from being 
sucked (siphoned) out the trap.  When venting a sink drain (not DW drain) 
through the roof is not practical or too costly, an air admittance (one-way) 
valve can be installed in a short stack usually up under the cabinet near 
the sink to let air in but does not allow flow out.


Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



Wilton,
In looking again at my connection, my under sink drain does have some 
contraption plumbed in after the trap which could be an anti siphon vent. 
My DW drain comes into the drain just after the two sink bowls and just 
before the trap. The plumber used a downward pointing "Y" connector which 
helps prevent any sink material from getting into the DW line and also 
provides somewhat of a more forceful water flow from the DW into the sink 
drain and trap, possibly helping to keep the trap cleaner (never had a 
kitchen sick clog). It looks funny to me (I'm not a plumber and I didn't 
stay in a Holiday Inn last night), but again, it sure seems to work fine.

Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Ok don could work out a trade

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You need to get him to sell it to me

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 6:53 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> He was not interested in selling it last time we talked about it, but he
> was interested in getting me to get it running again - for free . . . .
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does he want to sell it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 6, 2016, at 6:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You don't get much airplane for $11,000 these days . . .  One of these is
>>> in a hangar on the other side of the runway from me, apporx. 150k miles,
>>> been sitting for 20 or so years. He's keeping it for sentimental reasons,
>>> and I don't want to rebuild or troubleshoot the fuel injections (K-Jet?).
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
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>> of
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>> 
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>> who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Ok don could work out a trade

[OK Don via Mercedes]

He was not interested in selling it last time we talked about it, but he
was interested in getting me to get it running again - for free . . . .

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> Does he want to sell it?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Apr 6, 2016, at 6:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > You don't get much airplane for $11,000 these days . . .  One of these is
> > in a hangar on the other side of the runway from me, apporx. 150k miles,
> > been sitting for 20 or so years. He's keeping it for sentimental reasons,
> > and I don't want to rebuild or troubleshoot the fuel injections (K-Jet?).
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> >>
> >>
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> > for themselves."
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> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Ok don could work out a trade

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Does he want to sell it?

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 6:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> You don't get much airplane for $11,000 these days . . .  One of these is
> in a hangar on the other side of the runway from me, apporx. 150k miles,
> been sitting for 20 or so years. He's keeping it for sentimental reasons,
> and I don't want to rebuild or troubleshoot the fuel injections (K-Jet?).
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1972 Mercedes 280 SE 4.5L
>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/bar/5495323506.html
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Project?

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Yea.

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> The price is right:
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html 
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Project?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That would be a good candidate for an OM603 swap - - -

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> The price is right:
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html <
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Ok don could work out a trade

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You don't get much airplane for $11,000 these days . . .  One of these is
in a hangar on the other side of the runway from me, apporx. 150k miles,
been sitting for 20 or so years. He's keeping it for sentimental reasons,
and I don't want to rebuild or troubleshoot the fuel injections (K-Jet?).

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> 1972 Mercedes 280 SE 4.5L
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Interesting Project?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The price is right:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5523059136.html 



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Re: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
I have a 1980 300SD. It currently has around 425,000 miles. I had the tranny 
replaced with a used one. Had problems until I determined it was the vacuum 
module on top of the IP. So I just bypassed it and now it shifts fine (a little 
firm, but ok for me). Other than the tranny, this car is all original (well I 
did replace the seats and pads about 15 years ago). It rides and handles better 
than most new cars. It's getting old enough that it starts slow when the temp 
gets below 30 degrees. It's a pleasure to drive. It mostly sits in the garage 
these days and gets out once or twice a month to charge the battery and 
circulate the oil, grease, etc. Those were the days of all metal and almost no 
plastic. You really feel secure in that car. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Wilton, 
In looking again at my connection, my under sink drain does have some 
contraption plumbed in after the trap which could be an anti siphon vent. My DW 
drain comes into the drain just after the two sink bowls and just before the 
trap. The plumber used a downward pointing "Y" connector which helps prevent 
any sink material from getting into the DW line and also provides somewhat of a 
more forceful water flow from the DW into the sink drain and trap, possibly 
helping to keep the trap cleaner (never had a kitchen sick clog). It looks 
funny to me (I'm not a plumber and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night), 
but again, it sure seems to work fine. 
Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok don could work out a trade

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

All dressed up with nowhere to go. $11,000 for a non driving sedan?
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

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Curt, 
I think mine was a GE, at least I use GE filters, which you can buy in various 
types (taste, particulate, etc.). I had it installed inline before the main 
water line gets to anything, thus the whole house is filtered. I also have a 
filter in my refrig for water and ice. Since it's now just my wife and I (girls 
are gone), I only change the filters about once per year. The whole house 
filter has a clear housing so it's easy to visually check. 
Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Too cool for school. I'd love one but not without somewhere to keep it out of 
the elements...
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:46 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
   


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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I need it but my driveway isn’t big enough.

Dan


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[MBZ] Somebody needs this

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Re: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I like the 116. I would like to find a diesel one. I have had a few 450s. 
They were always worth very little and usually trashed. 

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> wrote:
> 
> I had the option to buy one of those cheap cheap in Florida back in 2002 when 
> I had my 300TD. I should have bought it, the 116 is a glorious car to drive...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:26 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?
> 
> I have been seeing 450's listed lately for what I consider crack money. Maybe 
> they are starting to go up?
> 
> 1978 Mercedes 450 SEL
> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5526634919.html
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Re: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?

[clay via Mercedes]

Maybe the W116 cars are getting more interesting, but I do not think they are 
going to command his price.  Fix the seat, and maybe.  There are too many 
common parts with a R107 that get stripped at PnP or go into an SD, not a 
petrol car.

clay

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> I have been seeing 450's listed lately for what I consider crack money. Maybe 
> they are starting to go up?
> 
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[MBZ] Ok don could work out a trade

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Re: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That one that I was considering down here last year was asking around this 
price and it was far better.  More miles, but very well maintained and full 
records.

This one looks nice outside but the interior is a mess.  Engine compartment 
doesn’t look good, either.

Dan


> On Apr 6, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been seeing 450's listed lately for what I consider crack money. Maybe 
> they are starting to go up?
> 
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[MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have been seeing 450's listed lately for what I consider crack money. Maybe 
they are starting to go up?

1978 Mercedes 450 SEL
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Re: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had the option to buy one of those cheap cheap in Florida back in 2002 when I 
had my 300TD. I should have bought it, the 116 is a glorious car to drive...
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:26 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Are 450's going up in value?
   
I have been seeing 450's listed lately for what I consider crack money. Maybe 
they are starting to go up?

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Got ya

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> No, angled downslope as it is now, so the water doesn't hafta change 
> direction immediately after entering the drain - keep the flow going 
> downslope like it is now.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> 
> 
>> That t has a little angle to it, so you are saying it needs to be opposite 
>> of how it is now, it currently angles up but I should move it and have it 
>> angle down?
>> 
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>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My thought, too.  Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe 
>>> immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside 
>>> of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap).
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>>> 
>>> 
 If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap 
 the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right 
 above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the 
 level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.
 
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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water 
> from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) 
> valve in the dishwasher.
> 
> Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the 
> time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water 
> - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the 
> dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some 
> jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the 
> dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the 
> kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back 
> past the air gap).   (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing 
> dishwasher."
> 
> If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky.   I 
> hope you continue to be so.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> 
> 
>> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on 
>> mine so apparently I don't need it.
>> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
>> Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
>> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my 
>> whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode 
>> bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal 
>> expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
>> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing 
>> issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

No, angled downslope as it is now, so the water doesn't hafta change 
direction immediately after entering the drain - keep the flow going 
downslope like it is now.


Wilton

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


That t has a little angle to it, so you are saying it needs to be opposite 
of how it is now, it currently angles up but I should move it and have it 
angle down?


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On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:


My thought, too.  Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe 
immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on 
topside of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap).


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap 
the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right 
above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the 
level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.


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On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:


The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water 
from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective 
(leaking) valve in the dishwasher.


Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the 
time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with 
water - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is 
where the dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. 
Some jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the 
dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the 
kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back 
past the air gap).   (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for 
plumbing dishwasher."


If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky.   I 
hope you continue to be so.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on 
mine so apparently I don't need it.
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that 
my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my 
commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are 
past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just 
sayin..
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing 
issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.

Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And I grew up in houses that had NO indoor plumbing.  Little "outhouse" in 
back yard was used "as necessary" and we took baths in a laundry tub in the 
kitchen or a bedroom.  I installed plumbing in that house for my mom in 
1970, when I was 36.


Wilton

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Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there 
and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a 
house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a 
separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second 
or

third worlds.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:

Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level 
in

the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
underside of sink at cabinet top level.

Additional air gap not required here, either.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.


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On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code 
issue.


--R


On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
Kaleb,
I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. 
The
drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the 
kitchen
sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases 
or
odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts 
of the
house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water 
drain,
while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. 
Mine
could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which 
I'm
happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, 
I'm

still running the original disposal after 17 years.
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Heck the shower in my grandparent's house used to do that on the regular when I 
was a lad. Finally my uncle had enough and put in a new shower and actually 
glued the fittings together. Of all the things my grandfather was he wasn't 
much of a plumber...
-Curt

  From: WILTON via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: WILTON 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
I inspected a $500 k+ house here in Goldsboro, NC, 'bout 20 years ago that 
had been occupied for about 5 years.  At a shower in one of the 1F 
bathrooms, I directed my flashlight beam into the shower drain and looked 
directly at muddy ground under the house.  Under the house, I found the 
drain trap and other pieces of PVC pipe that would have completed the 
connection just lying on top of a pier nearby.  As indicated by amount of 
water under the house, the shower had been in regular use.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


> Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there 
> and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a 
> house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a 
> separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
>> incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second 
>> or
>> third worlds.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level 
>>> in
>>> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
>>> underside of sink at cabinet top level.
>>>
>>> Additional air gap not required here, either.
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
> without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code 
> issue.
>
> --R
>
>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Kaleb,
>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. 
>> The
>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the 
>> kitchen
>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases 
>> or
>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts 
>> of the
>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water 
>> drain,
>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. 
>> Mine
>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which 
>> I'm
>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, 
>> I'm
>> still running the original disposal after 17 years.
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh my lord. So they forgot to hook it up. Wow.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:34 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I inspected a $500 k+ house here in Goldsboro, NC, 'bout 20 years ago that 
> had been occupied for about 5 years.  At a shower in one of the 1F bathrooms, 
> I directed my flashlight beam into the shower drain and looked directly at 
> muddy ground under the house.  Under the house, I found the drain trap and 
> other pieces of PVC pipe that would have completed the connection just lying 
> on top of a pier nearby.  As indicated by amount of water under the house, 
> the shower had been in regular use.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> 
> 
>> Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there 
>> and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a 
>> house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a 
>> separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
>>> incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or
>>> third worlds.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in
 the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
 underside of sink at cabinet top level.
 
 Additional air gap not required here, either.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
 Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
 
 
 If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
>> without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code 
>> issue.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Kaleb,
>>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The
>>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen
>>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or
>>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of 
>>> the
>>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water 
>>> drain,
>>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine
>>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm
>>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm
>>> still running the original disposal after 17 years.
>>> Roger
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I inspected a $500 k+ house here in Goldsboro, NC, 'bout 20 years ago that 
had been occupied for about 5 years.  At a shower in one of the 1F 
bathrooms, I directed my flashlight beam into the shower drain and looked 
directly at muddy ground under the house.  Under the house, I found the 
drain trap and other pieces of PVC pipe that would have completed the 
connection just lying on top of a pier nearby.  As indicated by amount of 
water under the house, the shower had been in regular use.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there 
and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a 
house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a 
separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second 
or

third worlds.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:

Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level 
in

the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
underside of sink at cabinet top level.

Additional air gap not required here, either.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code 
issue.


--R


On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
Kaleb,
I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. 
The
drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the 
kitchen
sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases 
or
odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts 
of the
house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water 
drain,
while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. 
Mine
could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which 
I'm
happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, 
I'm

still running the original disposal after 17 years.
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats how the washing machine at my parents house works except it drains into a 
pipe that goes across the street and drains into a pasture. The pipe is clay 
and occasionally they'll be taking hay off the pasture and crush the end of the 
pipe. One year that made my parent's house flood really bad when the big spring 
rains came. When the water subsided we couldn't find the pipe. Eventually Dad 
poured a gallon of heavy cream down the drain, the cream was easy to find in 
the pasture. About 20 years ago Dad got a section of iron pipe that would just 
fit in the clay pipe, we shoved it up in there and haven't had trouble since.
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there and 
just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a house in 
the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a separate drain 
pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
> incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or
> third worlds.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in
>> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
>> underside of sink at cabinet top level.
>> 
>> Additional air gap not required here, either.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>> 
>> 
>> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
 without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code issue.
 
 --R
 
> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Kaleb,
> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The
> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen
> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or
> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the
> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain,
> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine
> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm
> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm
> still running the original disposal after 17 years.
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

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Yes that is my point. While I don't think the way it is plumbed is ideal, I 
don't really think it is the cause of my problem. But then again this could 
just be poos wanting me to install that Bosch I have sitting out in the 
suburban. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is key in deconstructing what is going on.  If the install was bad you 
> would have had these issues in short order after putting it in service.
> 
> Dan 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder why if that is the case it all the sudden started causing problems. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue.
>>> 
>>> Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher,
>>> probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed
>>> to be installed / plumbed.  You may need to have a plumber take a look.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to
 prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me
 is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the
 pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a
 garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

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Does it look like a shallow upside down cup? I think I've seen them before and 
wondered what it was.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
It is a vent thing that goes in the countertop and the drain goes up 
through it to function as an anti-siphon one-way air valve to prevent 
dirty water from being sucked back into the DW.  Had one in Houston, 
never seen them anywhere else.  If the line is plumbed correctly there 
should not be anything pulling back into the DW.

--R

On 4/6/16 3:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so 
> apparently I don't need it.
> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, 
> since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole 
> house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay 
> pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times 
> and are still working fine. Just sayin..
> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue 
> with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That t has a little angle to it, so you are saying it needs to be opposite of 
how it is now, it currently angles up but I should move it and have it angle 
down?

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> My thought, too.  Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe 
> immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside 
> of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap).
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> 
> 
>> If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the 
>> section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the 
>> trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the 
>> trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from 
>>> sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve 
>>> in the dishwasher.
>>> 
>>> Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time 
>>> (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - 
>>> blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the 
>>> dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap.  Some 
>>> jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher 
>>> drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink 
>>> (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap). 
>>>   (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher."
>>> 
>>> If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky.   I 
>>> hope you continue to be so.
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Cc: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>>> 
>>> 
 Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine 
 so apparently I don't need it.
 Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
 Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
 As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my 
 whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode 
 bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal 
 expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
 Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing 
 issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.
 Roger
 Roger Hale
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
 Monroe, Ga.
 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Air gaps are like antisiphon valves, determined by local codes.

Darned antisiphon valves are a requirement here, and they netball the kind that 
if they are removed it trashes the fitting.

Dan

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The air gap just depends on the plumbing codes in your area. I am not 
> thinking I need to move my pipes around. They are just pvc so thru should be 
> easy to unscrew and move
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to
>> this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap.  In
>> addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and
>> connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side
>> of the DW.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
>>> dishwasher drain."
>>> 
>>> I have spoken.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is key in deconstructing what is going on.  If the install was bad you 
would have had these issues in short order after putting it in service.

Dan 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder why if that is the case it all the sudden started causing problems. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue.
>> 
>> Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher,
>> probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed
>> to be installed / plumbed.  You may need to have a plumber take a look.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to
>>> prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me
>>> is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the
>>> pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a
>>> garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Great minds think alike!  See your picture with red circles of what should
be swapped.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My thought, too.  Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe
> immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside
> of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap).
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>
>
> If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap
>> the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above
>> the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of
>> the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[WILTON via Mercedes]

My thought, too.  Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe 
immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside 
of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap).


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap 
the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right 
above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the 
level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:


The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water 
from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) 
valve in the dishwasher.


Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the 
time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with 
water - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where 
the dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap.  Some 
jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the 
dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the 
kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back 
past the air gap).   (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing 
dishwasher."


If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky.   I 
hope you continue to be so.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on 
mine so apparently I don't need it.
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my 
whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode 
bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal 
expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing 
issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.

Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there and 
just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a house in 
the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a separate drain 
pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture.

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
> incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or
> third worlds.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in
>> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
>> underside of sink at cabinet top level.
>> 
>> Additional air gap not required here, either.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>> 
>> 
>> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
 without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code issue.
 
 --R
 
> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Kaleb,
> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The
> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen
> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or
> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the
> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain,
> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine
> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm
> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm
> still running the original disposal after 17 years.
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

If Wilton speaks in the forest and his wife is not around, he can't be wrong

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On 4/6/16 3:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

When pins drop, Wilton cannot be heard.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


When Wilton speaks, people listen.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 

wrote:

Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing

dishwasher drain."

I have spoken.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



Yep.

'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem.  Tenants

had never said anything about problem with dishwasher.  During my
inspection while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown"
backward gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the
terrible "state of affairs" inside washer.  Garbage (kitchen drain pipe
stuff) had backed up into the washer and rotted.  'Had a helluva time
cleaning it, and, of course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to
underside of cabinet (well above sink drain level).

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" <

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Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:


'Should have an up loop.

Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe

will

get back in the dishwasher.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

yes absolutely do that otherwise you can get sewer vapors coming in too, 
which is what the trap is designed to prevent


--R

On 4/6/16 4:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the 
section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the 
trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the 
trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Been lucky at BOTH houses.  Maybe we oughta "throw-in" together for a 
lottery ticket.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


Well I will say this, in the other house that is now our rental property 
the drain tube comes straight thru the side of the cabinet and runs up to 
the disposal. Have not had these sorts of problems there. This one goes up 
over the side wall of the cabinet and connects directly to the drain pipe 
after the trap (which some say is ok others say no) close to the bottom of 
the cabinet. It it quite a bit up loop I guess you would say since the 
have it hooked into the drain down low instead of up high into a disposal 
that we don't have.


Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but there 
is not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to having to 
have the tank pumped more often.


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On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on 
mine so apparently I don't need it.
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my 
whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode 
bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal 
expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing 
issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.

Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

It is a vent thing that goes in the countertop and the drain goes up 
through it to function as an anti-siphon one-way air valve to prevent 
dirty water from being sucked back into the DW.  Had one in Houston, 
never seen them anywhere else.  If the line is plumbed correctly there 
should not be anything pulling back into the DW.


--R

On 4/6/16 3:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so 
apparently I don't need it.
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, 
since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole 
house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay 
pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times 
and are still working fine. Just sayin..
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of 
"possible" causes and solutions.
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The air gap just depends on the plumbing codes in your area. I am not thinking 
I need to move my pipes around. They are just pvc so thru should be easy to 
unscrew and move

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to
> this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap.  In
> addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and
> connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side
> of the DW.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
>> dishwasher drain."
>> 
>> I have spoken.
>> 
>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wilton - do you make house calls?  I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is
incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or
third worlds.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in
> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or
> underside of sink at cabinet top level.
>
> Additional air gap not required here, either.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>
>
> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two
>>> without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code issue.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
 Kaleb,
 I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The
 drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen
 sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or
 odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the
 house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain,
 while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine
 could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm
 happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm
 still running the original disposal after 17 years.
 Roger
 Roger Hale
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
 Monroe, Ga.
 770-267-0850
 www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the 
section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the 
trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the 
trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from 
> sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve in 
> the dishwasher.
> 
> Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time 
> (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - 
> blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the 
> dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap.  Some 
> jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher 
> drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink (water 
> can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap).   (See 
> illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher."
> 
> If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky.   I hope 
> you continue to be so.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> 
> 
>> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine 
>> so apparently I don't need it.
>> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
>> Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
>> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my 
>> whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode 
>> bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal 
>> expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
>> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue 
>> with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in 
the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or 
underside of sink at cabinet top level.


Additional air gap not required here, either.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two 
without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code 
issue.


--R


On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
Kaleb,
I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The 
drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen 
sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or 
odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of 
the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water 
drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. 
Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which 
I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, 
I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years.

Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh lord I have really started something. Here is a photo of mine.   



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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think I'm going to check my DW drain installation when I get home...
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
>> dishwasher drain."
>> 
>> I have spoken.
>> 
>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I will say this, in the other house that is now our rental property the 
drain tube comes straight thru the side of the cabinet and runs up to the 
disposal. Have not had these sorts of problems there. This one goes up over the 
side wall of the cabinet and connects directly to the drain pipe after the trap 
(which some say is ok others say no) close to the bottom of the cabinet. It it 
quite a bit up loop I guess you would say since the have it hooked into the 
drain down low instead of up high into a disposal that we don't have.

Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but there is not 
one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to having to have the 
tank pumped more often.

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so 
> apparently I don't need it. 
> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, 
> since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. 
> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole 
> house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay 
> pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times 
> and are still working fine. Just sayin.. 
> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue 
> with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Oh, one CAN physically plumb it downstream of the trap - like somebody on 
the list already said that he saw (in his own house? 'don't remember), but 
it is "dangerous" to do so.  For possible health and other reasons, the DW 
drain should discharge ABOVE the trap + up loop and/or air gap.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to
this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap.  In
addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and
connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the 
side

of the DW.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
dishwasher drain."

I have spoken.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

When pins drop, Wilton cannot be heard.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When Wilton speaks, people listen.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
> dishwasher drain."
> >
> > I have spoken.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> >
> >
> >> Yep.
> >>
> >> 'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem.  Tenants
> had never said anything about problem with dishwasher.  During my
> inspection while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown"
> backward gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the
> terrible "state of affairs" inside washer.  Garbage (kitchen drain pipe
> stuff) had backed up into the washer and rotted.  'Had a helluva time
> cleaning it, and, of course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to
> underside of cabinet (well above sink drain level).
> >>
> >> Wilton
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Cc: "Craig" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  'Should have an up loop.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe
> will
> >>> get back in the dishwasher.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

When Wilton speaks, people listen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing dishwasher 
> drain."
> 
> I have spoken.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
> 
> 
>> Yep.
>> 
>> 'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem.  Tenants had 
>> never said anything about problem with dishwasher.  During my inspection 
>> while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" backward 
>> gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the terrible "state 
>> of affairs" inside washer.  Garbage (kitchen drain pipe stuff) had backed up 
>> into the washer and rotted.  'Had a helluva time cleaning it, and, of 
>> course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to underside of cabinet 
>> (well above sink drain level).
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" 
>> 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Cc: "Craig" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 'Should have an up loop.
>>> 
>>> Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will
>>> get back in the dishwasher.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here.

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two without, 
> never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code issue.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Kaleb,
>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The 
>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink 
>> drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors 
>> getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. 
>> I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while 
>> preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have 
>> been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy 
>> with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still 
>> running the original disposal after 17 years.
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I wonder why if that is the case it all the sudden started causing problems. 

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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue.
> 
> Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher,
> probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed
> to be installed / plumbed.  You may need to have a plumber take a look.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to
>> prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me
>> is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the
>> pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a
>> garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to
this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap.  In
addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and
connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side
of the DW.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
> dishwasher drain."
>
> I have spoken.
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

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Well... The bidding has been feverish over the past 3 hours I'm out of
the running at $7.00 someone must really want this.. haha.

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> Andrew wrote:
> > I am serving as seller's broker.  Winning buyer pays a 10 percent buyer's
> > premium directly into my Panamanian account.
>
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> Reveal of shenanigans of ultra-rich carried out by Mossack Fonseca of
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from 
sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve in 
the dishwasher.


Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time 
(an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - 
blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the 
dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap.  Some 
jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher 
drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink (water 
can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap).   (See 
illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher."


If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky.   I hope 
you continue to be so.


Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine 
so apparently I don't need it.
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. 
Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my 
whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode 
bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal 
expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing 
issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.

Roger
Roger Hale
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Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I think I'm going to check my DW drain installation when I get home...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing
> dishwasher drain."
>
> I have spoken.
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I am not ultra rich but will get caught for the slightest infraction ($100
DC parking violations, jaywalking citation,etc.)

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Andrew wrote:
> > I am serving as seller's broker.  Winning buyer pays a 10 percent buyer's
> > premium directly into my Panamanian account.
>
> Panama?
> Are you one of those guys in Panama Papers?
> Reveal of shenanigans of ultra-rich carried out by Mossack Fonseca of
> Panama.
> Nice!
> NOT!!
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Our dishwasher and kitchen sink drain hook up with the shower drain in the
basement.  When the drain backed up, there was a lovely smorgasbord of food
bits spewed out all over the shower pan. :((

I now need to reroute the drain pipes to correct what the a**h*le PO should
never have done in the first place.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What do you have for a whole house filter? Our water district limes the
> water pretty hard to keep the lead pipes from killing us. I'm pretty sure
> there are no lead pipes headed to my house but some of the older service
> areas do have them. Our water tastes fine fresh out of the tap but
> deteriorates in flavor after it sits for a bit.We've got a Multipure filter
> under the kitchen sink with a separate tap. It does an excellent job but
> the filters are expensive. I wonder if a whole house filter, even a not so
> great one, would make the Multipure filters last better.Actually we run
> them way longer than the 6mos they're rated for but the water output gets
> pretty slow. I figure the slower the water runs the more the filter is
> catching...
> -Curt
>
>   From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:13 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
>
> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine
> so apparently I don't need it.
> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap.
> Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it.
> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my
> whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode
> bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal
> expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin..
> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing
> issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions.
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

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Andrew wrote:
> I am serving as seller's broker.  Winning buyer pays a 10 percent buyer's
> premium directly into my Panamanian account.

Panama?
Are you one of those guys in Panama Papers?
Reveal of shenanigans of ultra-rich carried out by Mossack Fonseca of Panama.
Nice!
NOT!!
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What do you have for a whole house filter? Our water district limes the water 
pretty hard to keep the lead pipes from killing us. I'm pretty sure there are 
no lead pipes headed to my house but some of the older service areas do have 
them. Our water tastes fine fresh out of the tap but deteriorates in flavor 
after it sits for a bit.We've got a Multipure filter under the kitchen sink 
with a separate tap. It does an excellent job but the filters are expensive. I 
wonder if a whole house filter, even a not so great one, would make the 
Multipure filters last better.Actually we run them way longer than the 6mos 
they're rated for but the water output gets pretty slow. I figure the slower 
the water runs the more the filter is catching...
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so 
apparently I don't need it. 
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, 
since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. 
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole 
house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay 
pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times 
and are still working fine. Just sayin.. 
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue 
with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so 
apparently I don't need it. 
Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, 
since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. 
As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole 
house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay 
pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times 
and are still working fine. Just sayin.. 
Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue 
with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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[MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing 
dishwasher drain."


I have spoken.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



Yep.

'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem.  Tenants had 
never said anything about problem with dishwasher.  During my inspection 
while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" backward 
gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the terrible 
"state of affairs" inside washer.  Garbage (kitchen drain pipe stuff) had 
backed up into the washer and rotted.  'Had a helluva time cleaning it, 
and, of course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to underside of 
cabinet (well above sink drain level).


Wilton

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Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:


'Should have an up loop.


Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will
get back in the dishwasher.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

wrong coast

--R

On 4/6/16 1:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

That's a sharp looking car, I'll bet it goes pretty high.

Re-power with a bigger engine, create a 240 3.0 ala Craig's car.

Rich - here's a great use for your '79 wagon engine, transplant over the
SLS bits for something really unique.

-
Max
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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


Current high bidder. I'm in for $1.50 ... winner take all..

Next player...

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Anyone want to take a flyer at 99 cents?




http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-240D-Automatic-/172158597283?forcerrptr=true=item281573b8a3:g:UEIAAOSwgApXBImS=172158597283

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep.

'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem.  Tenants had 
never said anything about problem with dishwasher.  During my inspection 
while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" backward 
gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the terrible "state 
of affairs" inside washer.  Garbage (kitchen drain pipe stuff) had backed up 
into the washer and rotted.  'Had a helluva time cleaning it, and, of 
course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to underside of cabinet 
(well above sink drain level).


Wilton

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Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:


'Should have an up loop.


Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will
get back in the dishwasher.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:04:55 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> That's a sharp looking car, I'll bet it goes pretty high.

Indeed! Its body is in MUCH better condition than our '82 240D/3.0.

Looking at all the pictures on his website, 1978mercedes.weebly.com, you
can see that he really wants it to go high. Maybe the low initial, no
reserve auction is to lower eBay's fees.


> Re-power with a bigger engine, create a 240 3.0 ala Craig's car.

I would like to put my drivetrain in this car!

He mentions the right-rear door having been repaired and having paint
problems, but there are no pictures of it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This all makes me think our DW install is the best possible system. We're 
fortunate in that the DW sits directly over the drain pipe from the sink. So it 
drains directly down into its own trap, the drain pipe is maybe 2 feet long. 
The water feed pipe is also under the DW although just off to one side. Handy 
layout our kitchen...
-Curt

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 'Should have an up loop.

Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will
get back in the dishwasher.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 'Should have an up loop.

Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will
get back in the dishwasher.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I am serving as seller's broker.  Winning buyer pays a 10 percent buyer's
premium directly into my Panamanian account.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> That's a sharp looking car, I'll bet it goes pretty high.
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> Re-power with a bigger engine, create a 240 3.0 ala Craig's car.
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> Rich - here's a great use for your '79 wagon engine, transplant over the
> SLS bits for something really unique.
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> Max
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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's a sharp looking car, I'll bet it goes pretty high.

Re-power with a bigger engine, create a 240 3.0 ala Craig's car.

Rich - here's a great use for your '79 wagon engine, transplant over the
SLS bits for something really unique.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Current high bidder. I'm in for $1.50 ... winner take all..
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Re: [MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

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Current high bidder. I'm in for $1.50 ... winner take all..

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[MBZ] I challenge anyone to bid on this 240D with NO RESERVE

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone want to take a flyer at 99 cents?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-240D-Automatic-/172158597283?forcerrptr=true=item281573b8a3:g:UEIAAOSwgApXBImS=172158597283
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Re: [MBZ] OT Netflix

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Also consider the source, and the likely load. Tens of thousands of
almost-synced viewers?  More?  Content sourcing, and _replication_ can be a
major job too.  Live game?  No time for offline optimization.  Actual
broadcast has some major advantages.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it?  I have had one with and two 
without, never noticed any issue either way.  Might be a local code issue.


--R

On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb,
I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes 
out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the 
trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like 
traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows 
faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the 
DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy 
with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the 
original disposal after 17 years.
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Should have an up loop.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk



Kaleb,
I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The 
drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen 
sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or 
odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the 
house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, 
while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine 
could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm 
happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm 
still running the original disposal after 17 years.

Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Should be BEFORE the trap!  After the trap can allow some BAD stuff to enter 
the dishwasher.


Wilton

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Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk


More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to 
prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me 
is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to 
the pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a 
garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to.


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the 
dishwasher loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. 
From there it's ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter 
to drain. It runs over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if 
this could be an issue and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the 
house can come straight thru instead of up and over. I am going to get 
some of that dishwasher magic cleaner and run it thru first and see what 
happens and may even relocate the drain line before installing the Bosch. 
I should be able to return it since it's still in the box. At the very 
least I want to attempt to figure out the problem even if I do keep the 
Bosch so I can use it at our other house.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no 
stainless inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such 
material. Is there any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to 
help flush it out? And also put some extra flush pressure on you drain 
lines? The drain lines may be backing up when full draining causing 
material to compact inside the large pump, hence negatively affecting 
it. If so, a new DW will eventually be affected by the same issue.

Again, good luck,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain 
line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain 
"before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back 
into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this 
straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing 
material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked 
into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the 
disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal 
after 17 years. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: This is the smartest Smart there is aRMjsmOCo4

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Similar to what I'd like to build out of a Suzuki Vitara or Chevy Tracker 
though I want to use 31" tires...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Its ok to plumb it in after the trap.  The DW drain effectively has 
its own trap/




I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue.

Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher,
probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed
to be installed / plumbed.  You may need to have a plumber take a look.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to
 prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me
 is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the
 pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a
 garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to.


 > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:47:28 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> We have not had a problem with the sink backing up. From what I read
> having it connected below the trap leaves the possibility of gases
> coming into the dish washer but with the loop on the side of the washer
> and the high loop if I am not mistaken that would sort of act like a
> trap itself leaving bit of water in the lower part of the loop. If I am
> thinking correctly that is.

You are.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Take the drain hose off the disposer, cut a hole in the lid of a 5 
gal bucket, stick the hose in there.  run a cycle.  You can tell if 
it is pumping out at full force.  You might also check the disposer 
to be sure it is not restricting the flow.





Btw I agree it seems like it's not draining properly or is somehow 
not doing something but it seems like it's got to be in the big pump 
assembly but it does not seem to be serviceable.


Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 For some reason walmart did not have any dishwasher cleaner so I 
am currently running an empty load with baking soda and vinegar 
right now.  I may try a citric acid wash as well.  I can't imagine 
drano would be good for it.  It has stainless steel interior so 
bleach is out.



 On 4/5/2016 11:42 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

 >> Kaleb,
 >> How about running some Drano through the first load and then 
clear it out with some bleach in the second load? I still think your 
system is not draining / flushing completely. Just a thought, but 
it's still your money and your decision.

 Good luck,
 Roger
 Roger Hale
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
 Monroe, Ga.
 770-267-0850

 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
 >>


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