Re: [MBZ] OT electric motor assembly

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:18:29 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A couple years ago I took apart the well pump motor to replace bearings,
> and now I've got bearings  and I'm ready to put it all back together.
> 
> However, too many parts and not enough memory of how they all fit back
> together.
> 
> Anyone know of a site that has exploded diagrams for GE motors?

Any more action on this, Max?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The thing is that car is more than half worn out. It may keep clattering
along for another 100k before the tranny is totally shot, and a lot of
rubber looks like it was replaced, but the steering is going to be loose
and the motor may need work. Turn signal stalk may go, no cruise, yada yada.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:08 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 15/07/2019 3:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Pretty good money for a sedan. At least it had new half shafts.
> >
> > I keep wondering where the value is though. No mention of rebuilt head,
> new
> > steering box, new transmission, or rebuilt turbo. All are wear items at
> > that mileage.
> >
> > I was impressed that he got the vac pods out without removing the dash
> > though. I may have a go at that.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> Either they have the money to buy toys. Cars they wanted back when they
> were new but could not afford then maybe?
>
> Or, they looked at the price of a new Kia or Hyundai and decided that a
> half worn out MB was a better deal than a cheap throw away car for
> comparable money?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm not sure a new cylinder is usually required. I don't really see how they 
go "bad". I'd bet many were replaced which were merely cruddy inside. A good 
locksmith should be able to clean/refurbish a lock cylinder. Might have to 
replace some of the springs, I often stretched 'em getting them out.
-Curt

On Monday, July 15, 2019, 5:11:01 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 15/07/2019 3:45 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
> I was able to get the key to do one last turn by flushing the lock with 
> Tri-Flow and running the jiggly sander on the key for five to ten minutes 
> over a four day period.  It finally got one last good turn.  At that point 
> you want to remove the tumbler and make haste to your most trusted locksmith 
> for them to try to clean and rebuild it.  The original tumblers are NLA.  I 
> tried to order one for the 1974 R107. Dealer and Classic center were happy to 
> take my money and then the whole thing got lost in the shuffle.  The EPC 
> shows the tumbler PN changes five times but does not state that there are no 
> more to be had.  Last supported tumblers are for the 1985 and newer cars, 
> which are all the wrong size for our purpose.
>
>
> clay
>
>
>
So, if you cannot buy the correct parts, you have to improvise. 
Disconnect the existing ignition setup but leave it in place so 
everything looks pretty normal but install some form of aftermarket 
ignition switch in an inconspicuous spot and carry on. If it is a 
beater, no worries. If it is immaculate, try not to bodge it to the 
point where it could not later be restored and hope that MB or someone 
in China decides to start making the replacement parts you need.

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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

A fellow I supplied with a bunch of my spare R107 parts for his rebuild of a 
1972 SL had to unbunggle many bits.  One was the ignition from a w124.  I had a 
quartet of the obsolete ignition switches he took with.

clay 




> On Jul 15, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> So, if you cannot buy the correct parts, you have to improvise. Disconnect 
> the existing ignition setup but leave it in place so everything looks pretty 
> normal but install some form of aftermarket ignition switch in an 
> inconspicuous spot and carry on. If it is a beater, no worries. If it is 
> immaculate, try not to bodge it to the point where it could not later be 
> restored and hope that MB or someone in China decides to start making the 
> replacement parts you need.


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Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Randy wrote:
> ... they have the money to buy toys.

They need a mathematics refresher course.  24-years and 1982 do not get to 2019.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

On my '95 cabriolet, I cut apart the lock housing with a Dremel tool, because a 
thief had pretty much destroyed the ignition lock and no way to get the key to 
turn.

Once the dash parts around the steering column were removed, and the steering 
column loosened so it dropped down to grant more access, the body of the lock 
is pretty soft and I could easily cut it up so as to remove the switch.  
Replaced steering column, switch, and tumbler.  Used parts work fine, except 
for the tumbler.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

The Finny project seemed like quite a fun and rewarding project! It was quite 
enjoyable to follow along as it progressed. How much would you value your total 
with purchase price, parts and time to improve it to present condition? I get 
the same enjoyment in my RC car hobby with building up projects to running 
condition and selling them and using the funds to build another. 
Good luck with the sale, and also finding your next one!!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR.

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> On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It will go to BaT with a reasonable reserve, but I would hope it would end up 
> north of $10k.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We need to dig out the estimates and see who the winner is when it sells.
>> 
>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 10:52 AM:
>>> 
>>> Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long term? 
>>> We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you were telling 
>>> us we were wrong.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/07/2019 3:45 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:

I was able to get the key to do one last turn by flushing the lock with 
Tri-Flow and running the jiggly sander on the key for five to ten minutes over 
a four day period.  It finally got one last good turn.  At that point you want 
to remove the tumbler and make haste to your most trusted locksmith for them to 
try to clean and rebuild it.  The original tumblers are NLA.  I tried to order 
one for the 1974 R107. Dealer and Classic center were happy to take my money 
and then the whole thing got lost in the shuffle.  The EPC shows the tumbler PN 
changes five times but does not state that there are no more to be had.  Last 
supported tumblers are for the 1985 and newer cars, which are all the wrong 
size for our purpose.


clay



So, if you cannot buy the correct parts, you have to improvise. 
Disconnect the existing ignition setup but leave it in place so 
everything looks pretty normal but install some form of aftermarket 
ignition switch in an inconspicuous spot and carry on. If it is a 
beater, no worries. If it is immaculate, try not to bodge it to the 
point where it could not later be restored and hope that MB or someone 
in China decides to start making the replacement parts you need.


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Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/07/2019 3:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Pretty good money for a sedan. At least it had new half shafts.

I keep wondering where the value is though. No mention of rebuilt head, new
steering box, new transmission, or rebuilt turbo. All are wear items at
that mileage.

I was impressed that he got the vac pods out without removing the dash
though. I may have a go at that.


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Either they have the money to buy toys. Cars they wanted back when they 
were new but could not afford then maybe?


Or, they looked at the price of a new Kia or Hyundai and decided that a 
half worn out MB was a better deal than a cheap throw away car for 
comparable money?



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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

The SD had that issue, sort of.  There is the end of the tumbler that fits into 
a sliding switch mechanism once you turn the key.  The SD had somehow buggered 
that up, so that it would not disengage the steering lock and allow the key to 
turn.  I had to get the tumbler out to see if a flat head would allow the thing 
to engage and start the car.  Lots of fiddling with it to get steering lock to 
disengage and for the screw driver to twist to light off.  I had to get a PnP 
part to put the original tumbler in, as there was no issue with the tumbler.

clay



> On Jul 15, 2019, at 9:13 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Curley, good suggestions. I'm not above using a screwdriver, at least 
> not until the replacement cylinder arrives.
> 
> One thing that worries me is that it turns _a little_, like maybe 45 degrees. 
> It clearly passes into different territory within the range of the ignition 
> switch itself, because there's a point at which the door buzzer begins to 
> sound, etc. 
> 
> When the key stops turning, it STOPS. No ifs ands or buts. But alas it does 
> not reach the ACC position. Is this still the lock cylinder itself, or do I 
> have a problem with the steering lock mechanism behind the cylinder, I 
> wonder? It almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating 
> the starter twice without turning the key to off first.
> 
> I have attached a video to this posting...
> 
> D.

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Re: [MBZ] strange data usage

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 19:59:14 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Well, last week was patching week.

Yes, but 87 billion bytes?

How many devices running Windoze do you have online, Kaleb?

What else do you do with the 'Net to consume that much bandwidth?

We use only 652.3 megabytes in a day of listing to our favorite Internet
radio station for 16 hours.


Craig

> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 7:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Maybe but for 1 day? I’m thinking maybe 1 or more of the winders
> > systems downloaded some big updates or something.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Somebody turned your computer into a porn host?
> > > --
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > >> On July 14, 2019 7:34:45 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> Typically when all the kids are here doing their streaming and
> > >> video games we have days where typical usage is 20gb a day.  All
> > >> of the kids have been gone since Thursday and it has just been the
> > >> wife and I at home. Thursday we had about 4.7 gb usage.  Friday
> > >> was 13gb, today so far is 5.3gb.  The strange thing is yesterday
> > >> the router shows usage of 87gb.  I just though it was odd with
> > >> nobody here except us we would have a huge amount of usage.  The
> > >> nearest high usage to that earlier in the month was 45gb.  Had one
> > >> day last month that was 54.

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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I was able to get the key to do one last turn by flushing the lock with 
Tri-Flow and running the jiggly sander on the key for five to ten minutes over 
a four day period.  It finally got one last good turn.  At that point you want 
to remove the tumbler and make haste to your most trusted locksmith for them to 
try to clean and rebuild it.  The original tumblers are NLA.  I tried to order 
one for the 1974 R107. Dealer and Classic center were happy to take my money 
and then the whole thing got lost in the shuffle.  The EPC shows the tumbler PN 
changes five times but does not state that there are no more to be had.  Last 
supported tumblers are for the 1985 and newer cars, which are all the wrong 
size for our purpose.


clay



> On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:44 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The key will no longer turn much past the first detent on my 1979 300SD W116. 
> Alas, this situation arose without warning near the end of a long day trip. 
> 
> Fortunately the steering is unlocked if the key will turn at all, so I 
> managed to get the car started by disconnecting the vacuum shutoff line and 
> applying voltage to the starter solenoid connector on the side rail. This 
> allowed me to drive the 1.5h trip home without waiting 10.5h for the AAA to 
> show up!
> 
> Speaking of 10.5h, I assume I will have to have at it with a palm sander or 
> something similar to attempt to nudge the key/lock assembly into submission. 
> Any tips on what might work would be greatly appreciated!! I will order the 
> new cylinder tomorrow morning!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> D.
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Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Pretty good money for a sedan. At least it had new half shafts.

I keep wondering where the value is though. No mention of rebuilt head, new
steering box, new transmission, or rebuilt turbo. All are wear items at
that mileage.

I was impressed that he got the vac pods out without removing the dash
though. I may have a go at that.


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> With an equally soporific palomino interior.  I get drowsy just looking at
> the photos. Yet I must be in the minority judging by the auction frenzy
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-07-15
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I believe that's also the case on the 116. Sigh.

On 15 July 2019, Max wrote:
>
>On a 124 car, one must be able to turn the key to position 1 (FSM section
>46-8110) in order to remove the electrical switch from the back of the
>ignition.
>
>Maybe a 116 is different?

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[MBZ] W123 300TD rear w/s washer hose R/R

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I need to repalce the rear wiper hose on my '83 300TD wagon as it is
leaking.  Anyone BTDT?

My local advisor (former MB tech) says it is a very tricky job that the
dealer techs used to hate doing, as in: 1) the hose winds its way through
the hinge grommet, 2) must remove headliner, and 3) it's very difficult to
remove the rear nozzle mounted at the top of the hatch glass.

I will check my shop manual tonight but if anyone has done this before it
wouldn't hurt to know a first hand recent experience.

TIA,

Andrew
300TD
374K miles
white/blue
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[MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With an equally soporific palomino interior.  I get drowsy just looking at
the photos. Yet I must be in the minority judging by the auction frenzy
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-07-15
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

On a 124 car, one must be able to turn the key to position 1 (FSM section
46-8110) in order to remove the electrical switch from the back of the
ignition.

Maybe a 116 is different?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:49 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > It almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating the
> starter twice without turning the key to off first.
>
> And it may well be that, which is part of the electrical switch.  It's an
> easy test: two 8mm bolts release
> the switch from the back of the lock assembly.  Remove it from the lock,
> and see if it acts any different.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It will go to BaT with a reasonable reserve, but I would hope it would end up 
north of $10k.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We need to dig out the estimates and see who the winner is when it sells.
> 
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 10:52 AM:
>> 
>> Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long term? 
>> We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you were telling 
>> us we were wrong.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Maybe it's 3 bolts/screws, it's been so long...  And for me, never on a 116.  
But 116 and 107 share
a lot of things, and I have done this on a 107.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

We need to dig out the estimates and see who the winner is when it sells.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 10:52 AM:


Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long 
term? We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you 
were telling us we were wrong.





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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've not been into a 116. On the 123, it is 3 small screws.  It probably 
is the 2 bolts on the 116 as Jim sez.


Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 12:48 PM:

It almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating the 
starter twice without turning the key to off first.

And it may well be that, which is part of the electrical switch.  It's an easy 
test: two 8mm bolts release
the switch from the back of the lock assembly.  Remove it from the lock, and 
see if it acts any different.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I planned on restoring this as best as possible and if the market permitted, 
leverage it to find one in better condition.

The market permits. I’ll see if I can get BaT money for it then go looking for 
another, better example.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah and I was hoping he would bring it to the Q sometime! Boo.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 14/07/2019 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I think this is one that was built during the Ford ownership. My brother 
>>> had one from about this time frame, and it was amazingly reliable for a 
>>> Jaguar.
>>> 
>>> I gave him a lot of crap about buying it, but pretty much ended up eating 
>>> my words as I don’t recall him ever having issues with it. I’ve got to call 
>>> him tonight, so i’ll try and remember to ask him about it.
>>> 
>>> The finnie gets finished today. I’m preparing to go out to the garage this 
>>> morning and install the refinished wood trim on the left side door cards, 
>>> and that’s it. I’m planning on driving it to work some time this coming 
>>> week to take some beauty shots of it in front of a local theater downtown, 
>>> then it will get submitted to BaT.
>>> 
>>> I know someone who has a car in to BaT right now, and they’re saying they 
>>> have a two week lead time for auctions. That’s a heck of a backlog, 
>>> considering they’re doing far more than 15-20 cars a day.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>> 
>> Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long term? 
>> We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you were telling 
>> us we were wrong.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> It almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating the 
> starter twice without turning the key to off first.

And it may well be that, which is part of the electrical switch.  It's an easy 
test: two 8mm bolts release
the switch from the back of the lock assembly.  Remove it from the lock, and 
see if it acts any different.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't think your problem can be the lock. The wafers retract or they don't. 
When they retract they either move enough to turn the lock or they don't, 
theres no way for the lock to open partially. I think your lock cylinder is 
working correctly and something beyond it is binding up...
-Curt

On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:13:58 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Curley, good suggestions. I'm not above using a screwdriver, at least 
not until the replacement cylinder arrives.

One thing that worries me is that it turns _a little_, like maybe 45 degrees. 
It clearly passes into different territory within the range of the ignition 
switch itself, because there's a point at which the door buzzer begins to 
sound, etc. 

When the key stops turning, it STOPS. No ifs ands or buts. But alas it does not 
reach the ACC position. Is this still the lock cylinder itself, or do I have a 
problem with the steering lock mechanism behind the cylinder, I wonder? It 
almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating the starter 
twice without turning the key to off first.

I have attached a video to this posting...

D.


At 10:28 AM -0500 7/15/19, Curley McLain wrote:
>David,
>
>multiple tries, and the sander are the only ways I know if to get it to turn.  
>Once you get the cylinder out, I have a couple suggestions.
>
>1.  you can stick a big screwdriver in the hole where the cylinder was and 
>turn the switch.  That way you can drive as needed.
>
>2.  You can remove the clip on the side of the cylinder (if it has one) and 
>dump out the wafers or pins.  With all the wafers or pins out, you can put the 
>cylinder back  in the switch and drive with the key until your new cyl. 
>arrives, or as long as you want, if  you are not concerned about theft.  It is 
>the pins or wafers that  bind the cyl.  Once they are removed, you can operate 
>the car normally, sans lock.    I found this to be quite satisfactory for a 
>240D, which nobody in their right mind would steal.  I can start the car with 
>only a screwdriver in the slot if I forgot my key. (so long as the doors are 
>not locked, as in moving it around on the vast estate...)
>
>David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote on 7/14/19 10:44 PM:
>> The key will no longer turn much past the first detent on my 1979 300SD 
>> W116. Alas, this situation arose without warning near the end of a long day 
>> trip.
>>
>> Fortunately the steering is unlocked if the key will turn at all, so I 
>> managed to get the car started by disconnecting the vacuum shutoff line and 
>> applying voltage to the starter solenoid connector on the side rail. This 
>> allowed me to drive the 1.5h trip home without waiting 10.5h for the AAA to 
>> show up!
>>
>> Speaking of 10.5h, I assume I will have to have at it with a palm sander or 
>> something similar to attempt to nudge the key/lock assembly into submission. 
>> Any tips on what might work would be greatly appreciated!! I will order the 
>> new cylinder tomorrow morning!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> D.
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Incidentally, to play the video linked in the email, at least on my Mac, I need 
to download the file and then change the filename extension from .obj to .mp4 
and it plays just fine...

On 7/15/19, David Bruckmann wrote:
>
>I have attached a video to this posting...
>
>D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes me too. We never had a finnie. Jaime it's on you now.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:36 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah and I was hoping he would bring it to the Q sometime! Boo.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 14/07/2019 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I think this is one that was built during the Ford ownership. My
> brother had one from about this time frame, and it was amazingly reliable
> for a Jaguar.
> >>
> >> I gave him a lot of crap about buying it, but pretty much ended up
> eating my words as I don’t recall him ever having issues with it. I’ve got
> to call him tonight, so i’ll try and remember to ask him about it.
> >>
> >> The finnie gets finished today. I’m preparing to go out to the garage
> this morning and install the refinished wood trim on the left side door
> cards, and that’s it. I’m planning on driving it to work some time this
> coming week to take some beauty shots of it in front of a local theater
> downtown, then it will get submitted to BaT.
> >>
> >> I know someone who has a car in to BaT right now, and they’re saying
> they have a two week lead time for auctions. That’s a heck of a backlog,
> considering they’re doing far more than 15-20 cars a day.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >
> > Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long
> term? We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you were
> telling us we were wrong.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yeah and I was hoping he would bring it to the Q sometime! Boo.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 14/07/2019 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think this is one that was built during the Ford ownership. My brother had 
>> one from about this time frame, and it was amazingly reliable for a Jaguar.
>> 
>> I gave him a lot of crap about buying it, but pretty much ended up eating my 
>> words as I don’t recall him ever having issues with it. I’ve got to call him 
>> tonight, so i’ll try and remember to ask him about it.
>> 
>> The finnie gets finished today. I’m preparing to go out to the garage this 
>> morning and install the refinished wood trim on the left side door cards, 
>> and that’s it. I’m planning on driving it to work some time this coming week 
>> to take some beauty shots of it in front of a local theater downtown, then 
>> it will get submitted to BaT.
>> 
>> I know someone who has a car in to BaT right now, and they’re saying they 
>> have a two week lead time for auctions. That’s a heck of a backlog, 
>> considering they’re doing far more than 15-20 cars a day.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
> Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long term? 
> We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you were telling 
> us we were wrong.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/07/2019 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I think this is one that was built during the Ford ownership. My brother had 
one from about this time frame, and it was amazingly reliable for a Jaguar.

I gave him a lot of crap about buying it, but pretty much ended up eating my 
words as I don’t recall him ever having issues with it. I’ve got to call him 
tonight, so i’ll try and remember to ask him about it.

The finnie gets finished today. I’m preparing to go out to the garage this 
morning and install the refinished wood trim on the left side door cards, and 
that’s it. I’m planning on driving it to work some time this coming week to 
take some beauty shots of it in front of a local theater downtown, then it will 
get submitted to BaT.

I know someone who has a car in to BaT right now, and they’re saying they have 
a two week lead time for auctions. That’s a heck of a backlog, considering 
they’re doing far more than 15-20 cars a day.

-D



Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long 
term? We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you 
were telling us we were wrong.



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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:39:54 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > David wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions:
> > 
> > 1 - Off and steering lock
> > 2 - Accessories
> > 3 - Run
> > 
> > The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2),
> > but not nearly far enough to push in the wire and extricate the
> > cylinder.
> 
> If it turned _out_ of lock, then it's not the typical worn key
> and/or worn tumbler problem.  The sander is to get it to turn out
> of lock.  I'm not sure what to recommend for "unlocked, but not
> turning".  Force?

Yes, if it turns out of lock, the problem is not with the cylinder.

It could be the problem we had with our 240D/3.0 once (also on vacation):
the tangs driving the electrical switch had broken and jammed, preventing
further turning.

That was cured by removing the switch from the back of the lock assembly
and installing a new switch (I have pictures of the process with the W123
switch, if you are interested).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:01:21 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don't remember, what position does the key need to be for tumbler
> removal?  I thought it was the first, which means your [you're] ok.

Here is a picture of the W123 lock.


Craig


> 
> On July 14, 2019 11:44:45 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >The key will no longer turn much past the first detent on my 1979 300SD
> >W116. Alas, this situation arose without warning near the end of a long
> >day trip. 
> >
> >Fortunately the steering is unlocked if the key will turn at all, so I
> >managed to get the car started by disconnecting the vacuum shutoff line
> >and applying voltage to the starter solenoid connector on the side
> >rail. This allowed me to drive the 1.5h trip home without waiting 10.5h
> >for the AAA to show up!
> >
> >Speaking of 10.5h, I assume I will have to have at it with a palm
> >sander or something similar to attempt to nudge the key/lock assembly
> >into submission. Any tips on what might work would be greatly
> >appreciated!! I will order the new cylinder tomorrow morning!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >D.
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Ugh.


On 7/15/19, fmiser wrote:
>
> David wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions:
>> 
>> 1 - Off and steering lock
>> 2 - Accessories
>> 3 - Run
>> 
>> The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2),
>> but not nearly far enough to push in the wire and extricate the
>> cylinder.
>
>If it turned _out_ of lock, then it's not the typical worn key
>and/or worn tumbler problem.  The sander is to get it to turn out
>of lock.  I'm not sure what to recommend for "unlocked, but not
>turning".  Force?


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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

normally that is "wiggle the steering wheel to get the bind off the 
steering lock", but David said the steering was unlocked.   I'd guess it 
is still a wafer hung up.


fmiser via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 3:39 AM:

David wrote:
Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions:

1 - Off and steering lock
2 - Accessories
3 - Run

The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2),
but not nearly far enough to push in the wire and extricate the
cylinder.

If it turned _out_ of lock, then it's not the typical worn key
and/or worn tumbler problem.  The sander is to get it to turn out
of lock.  I'm not sure what to recommend for "unlocked, but not
turning".  Force?

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2002 500 sl

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The first Mercedes 4-door coupé

--FT

On 7/15/19 12:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Huh, the rare four-door hard top stretched version of the SL.  You don't see 
many of those...


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1988 Mercedes 420 SEL 4.2 V8

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I bought one like that for $200 and a beater with a supposedly good 
engine for another $200.  So that's a $200 car.


On 7/14/19 11:58 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Pahtz?

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Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> David wrote:

> Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions:
> 
> 1 - Off and steering lock
> 2 - Accessories
> 3 - Run
> 
> The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2),
> but not nearly far enough to push in the wire and extricate the
> cylinder.

If it turned _out_ of lock, then it's not the typical worn key
and/or worn tumbler problem.  The sander is to get it to turn out
of lock.  I'm not sure what to recommend for "unlocked, but not
turning".  Force?

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