Re: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Depends on build date.  Later build ’74 would get the cats.  Early one, like 
mine is cat free.  

clay


> On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> Aren't the '74-'75's years to avoid because of the under hood cats?
> 
> 
> Rick
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> Subject: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in 
> nice shape
> 
> 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450SL Convertible/Hard Top - Excellent Condition
> 
> https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/oklahoma-city-1974-mercedes-benz-450sl/6991170292.html


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Re: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Almost as good as mine.  This one has MBtex, to my leather, bundts instead of 
my hubcaps, and only half the pistons

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1986 SDL - Polei

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1982 SD - Allen
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Aren't the '74-'75's years to avoid because of the under hood cats?


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] 1975 Mercedes Benz 300D Diesel W115

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Did I mention no text, landline?
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On October 3, 2019 11:37:51 PM EDT, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Here’s that W115 300D ad on my local Craigslist for 1800. It seems
>rather neglected per the description, but it still runs and drives for
>under $2K.
>Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard
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[MBZ] 1975 Mercedes Benz 300D Diesel W115

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Here’s that W115 300D ad on my local Craigslist for 1800. It seems rather 
neglected per the description, but it still runs and drives for under $2K.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard
https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/d/kelso-1975-mercedes-benz-300d-diesel/6984144677.html


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

My Uncle Al’s W115 1976 300D was the car that gave me the Dieselitis bug that 
will be with me until my dying day. They are getting very hard to find in any 
condition, especially those that are drivable. There is one up in WA on 
Craigslist. I’ll post a link to the ad if I can find it.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard who now has a proper air filter installed.

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> On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's exactly the car that I was thinking is right for Snook - mine was
> green with a tqan interior - hated the color, but loved driving it until
> rust and a drunk driver took it.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Then you need one like mine that has no carbs. 1976 115 300D - red with
>> the ivory interior.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:53:57 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
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>  Buy it cheap.  Not too many other buyers want gruen.

I do not consider $10,500 cheap ...


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Re: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Knock the price down to seven K, get it detailed, and flip it for $12,000.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 10:54 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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>  Buy it cheap.  Not too many other buyers want gruen.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Green on green 450? too bad the interior is MIA

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Have a captain's chair, will drive anywhere.

I wonder what the story is. The exterior color is so unusual - such a waste.

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> Worth a couple hundred for the manual A/C controls.
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Re: [MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

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 Buy it cheap.  Not too many other buyers want gruen.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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[MBZ] Holy smokes, it’s a green on green 107 that appears to be in nice shape

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Re: [MBZ] Green on green 450? too bad the interior is MIA

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Worth a couple hundred for the manual A/C controls.

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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That's exactly the car that I was thinking is right for Snook - mine was
green with a tqan interior - hated the color, but loved driving it until
rust and a drunk driver took it.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Then you need one like mine that has no carbs. 1976 115 300D - red with
> the ivory interior.
>
> Randy
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 21:19:31 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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> Do you know how much hydrogen has to be pressurized to be a reasonable
> motor fuel? You'd be driving around with a bomb...

There are better methods for storing hydrogen as automobile fuel. Metal
hydrides are one.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

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.
Hydrogen energy pros and cons.

https://vittana.org/18-biggest-hydrogen-energy-pros-and-cons
..
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:02:55 -0400
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> Not exactly, but getting there.  Hydrogen is probably closer.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
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> > But, but, but, it's free energy and doesn't pollute .
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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well, Mercedes is my proxy for hydrogen. They are gung-ho in developing the
technology for hydrogen powered cars.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 5:36 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> He main fact is that hydrogen is an energy storage medium, not an energy
> source.  The discussion needs to focus on energy sources with storage as a
> secondary issue.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  Raymond via Mercedes
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> >  How much land do you need to cover with solar panels to make a
> reasonably
> > useful amount of hydrogen?When you turn solar power into hydrogen you
> throw
> > away a whole bunch to inefficiency. Much better to use that solar power
> to
> > power houses.Shoot electric cars with lithium batteries make more sense
> than
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> > reasonable motor fuel? You'd be driving around with a bomb...
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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

He main fact is that hydrogen is an energy storage medium, not an energy 
source.  The discussion needs to focus on energy sources with storage as a 
secondary issue.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Raymond via Mercedes
> 
>  How much land do you need to cover with solar panels to make a reasonably
> useful amount of hydrogen?When you turn solar power into hydrogen you throw
> away a whole bunch to inefficiency. Much better to use that solar power to
> power houses.Shoot electric cars with lithium batteries make more sense than
> hydrogen. Do you know how much hydrogen has to be pressurized to be a
> reasonable motor fuel? You'd be driving around with a bomb...
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/10/2019 4:25 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Randy has some cars to sell?

Don Snook

Not really. I only have the one car and sometimes I think I should sell 
it because I don't use it much and it is taking up half of my garage.


But then, I drive it, and I come away thinking how great it is for a car 
that is 44 years old.


I drove it on Saturday morning of this last week. I went about 15 miles 
each way at 65 to 70 mph and it just wanted to go faster.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 LOL, I need a garage before I once again venture into the realm of vintage 
Mercedes. I don't want to run another one into the ground.
I've got a plan to add a carport onto my existing garage which needs a roof 
anyway. Maybe next year...
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 5:30:27 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 03/10/2019 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  You need Randy to sell you his 300D.
> Actually I need to build a bigger garage and get him to sell me his 115...
> -Curt
>
>  


I need you two to get into a bidding war.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

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WOW! I just a memory come flooding back.   My mother had a 1981 Chevy Chevette. 
 It was a total piece of crap.  She traded it in on an 82 Oldsmobile Omega.  
This would have been about 1984 or 85.  The dealership had this beautiful 
108/109 that was dark green.  I was about 11 years old and I knew then it was 
the one I wanted her to get.  But, it was a 1969 and the salesman said the 
price was $6900.   At the time, the Oldsmobile Omega was about $2800 so there 
was no chance my Mom was buying it.  I don’t remember which model it was.  But, 
I still remember the front of that car and how cool I thought it was.


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From: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:54 PM
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Cc: OK Don ; Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet 
timeless

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
OK Don wrote:

"Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124 
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but much 
better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them."




That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but I 
will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.  It was 
certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for Mercedes in 
the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for that.  But, the 124 
really represented the car that one the first Mercedes for a lot of people.  It 
was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking liberal college professors and the 
126 (especially the 560) was more the Surgeons and Senior Partners at law 
firms.  But, the 124 was the car built to appeal to more people here than ever 
before.

Randy wrote:

"Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you a 
finny or a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall 
that you are a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say a BLACK 
Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be better if it was a WHITE Mercedes 
just because of the heat."

I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50 lbs 
lighter than my max.   The 126 definitely fits me better.   In fact the 124 
diesel that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a 
fantastic car, but it always seemed a little small to me which was why I sold 
it and got a 126.

Don Snook


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/10/2019 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  You need Randy to sell you his 300D.
Actually I need to build a bigger garage and get him to sell me his 115...
-Curt

  



I need you two to get into a bidding war.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

Randy has some cars to sell?

Don Snook

From: Curt Raymond 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 4:23 PM
To: Andrew Strasfogel ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Cc: Don Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

You need Randy to sell you his 300D.

Actually I need to build a bigger garage and get him to sell me his 115...

-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 5:14:41 PM EDT, Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


That’s true.  But, finding one for $5000 in actual decent condition might be 
almost impossible.  I do wonder if I am going for that era, if I should just 
get a 114/115.  They are not as elegant or collectible as the 108/109 but I 
have a special fondness for them because my first MB was a 1971 250/8 with the 
2.8 six cylinder.  It was red with white (ivory?) interior.  I loved everything 
about that car except for the carbs.  Once they were working it was great.  
But, before that it was rough.


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From: Andrew Strasfogel mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Cc: OK Don mailto:okd...@gmail.com>>; Don Snook 
mailto:donald.sn...@fedex.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet 
timeless

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:
OK Don wrote:

"Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124 
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but much 
better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them."

That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but I 
will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.  It was 
certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for Mercedes in 
the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for that.  But, the 124 
really represented the car that one the first Mercedes for a lot of people.  It 
was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking liberal college professors and the 
126 (especially the 560) was more the Surgeons and Senior Partners at law 
firms.  But, the 124 was the car built to appeal to more people here than ever 
before.

Randy wrote:

"Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you a 
finny or a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall 
that you are a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say a BLACK 
Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be better if it was a WHITE Mercedes 
just because of the heat."

I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50 lbs 
lighter than my max.  The 126 definitely fits me better.  In fact the 124 
diesel that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a 
fantastic car, but it always seemed a little small to me which was why I sold 
it and got a 126.

Don Snook


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You need Randy to sell you his 300D.
Actually I need to build a bigger garage and get him to sell me his 115...
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 5:14:41 PM EDT, Don Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That’s true.  But, finding one for $5000 in actual decent condition might be 
almost impossible.  I do wonder if I am going for that era, if I should just 
get a 114/115.  They are not as elegant or collectible as the 108/109 but I 
have a special fondness for them because my first MB was a 1971 250/8 with the 
2.8 six cylinder.  It was red with white (ivory?) interior.  I loved everything 
about that car except for the carbs.  Once they were working it was great.  
But, before that it was rough.


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From: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don ; Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet 
timeless

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
OK Don wrote:

"Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124 
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but much 
better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them."

That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but I 
will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.  It was 
certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for Mercedes in 
the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for that.  But, the 124 
really represented the car that one the first Mercedes for a lot of people.  It 
was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking liberal college professors and the 
126 (especially the 560) was more the Surgeons and Senior Partners at law 
firms.  But, the 124 was the car built to appeal to more people here than ever 
before.

Randy wrote:

"Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you a 
finny or a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall 
that you are a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say a BLACK 
Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be better if it was a WHITE Mercedes 
just because of the heat."

I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50 lbs 
lighter than my max.  The 126 definitely fits me better.  In fact the 124 
diesel that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a 
fantastic car, but it always seemed a little small to me which was why I sold 
it and got a 126.

Don Snook


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If it starts reasonably well you can probably ignore the glow plugs for the 
moment.
Setting the valves is a really easy zen kind of project that you should 
probably do. If for no other reason than once its done you'll know its done. 
The engine will probably be quieter and you'll get the opportunity to replace 
the valve cover seal.
I was amazed the first time I set the valves "Thats it?" For some reason I'd 
built it up in my mind. Its way easier than I expected and made a big 
difference.
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 5:00:21 PM EDT, Don Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Ahh.  Ok.  Well, that is one of the parts under the hood that is all shiny and 
new.  I know the general advice is ignore what the previous owner said.  But, I 
am not sure at this point there is any reason he will lie to me.  I have 
already bought the car.  He said he replaced the glow plugs this spring and the 
nuts do look like new (or at least clean).  He also said he had the valves 
adjusted.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: David Bruckmann  On Behalf Of David Bruckmann
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:47 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Don Snook 
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

Turbo 617 engines all had EGR. I know this will cause a ruckus, but Kent gives 
an OK overview of the EGR valve and how to test it:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dud60NZuma-2DA-26t-3D322s=DwIBAg=fpIeS8RwmHkY2r_dFRL5tQ=bWLZ-Rj1m7MhCstkQrL5NWSSU_DVYZAi80tDFdEWNn0=B6WJIrLaSnT9JVOKKUw24Euz62Z4fyUELB0bmK4zvUc=NANnWDj0YRKnL8aawjU4Kv5xo6bhVrB9IsJ-tvwXWdg=

D.

At 8:25 PM + 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.  
>
>Don Snook 
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 How much land do you need to cover with solar panels to make a reasonably 
useful amount of hydrogen?When you turn solar power into hydrogen you throw 
away a whole bunch to inefficiency. Much better to use that solar power to 
power houses.Shoot electric cars with lithium batteries make more sense than 
hydrogen. Do you know how much hydrogen has to be pressurized to be a 
reasonable motor fuel? You'd be driving around with a bomb...

-Curt


On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 4:28:26 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 If you used solar power to electrolyze water where's the pollution?

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:33 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Well said, Curt ... The bottom line - TANSTAAFL.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:29 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  Hydrogen "energy" is hugely polluting. Most of the industrial hydrogen
> is
> > extracted from oil. Sure you could extract it from water but the energy
> > required for that is big.At best hydrogen is an inefficient battery.
> > Actually at best its a scam to extract money from rubes...
> > -Curt
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/10/2019 4:13 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:

That’s true.  But, finding one for $5000 in actual decent condition might be 
almost impossible.  I do wonder if I am going for that era, if I should just 
get a 114/115.  They are not as elegant or collectible as the 108/109 but I 
have a special fondness for them because my first MB was a 1971 250/8 with the 
2.8 six cylinder.  It was red with white (ivory?) interior.  I loved everything 
about that car except for the carbs.   Once they were working it was great.  
But, before that it was rough.


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From: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don ; Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet 
timeless

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
OK Don wrote:

"Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124 does 
not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but much better (classic 
looks wise) than anything that followed them."

That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but I 
will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.  It was 
certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for Mercedes in 
the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for that.  But, the 124 
really represented the car that one the first Mercedes for a lot of people.  It 
was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking liberal college professors and the 
126 (especially the 560) was more the Surgeons and Senior Partners at law 
firms.  But, the 124 was the car built to appeal to more people here than ever 
before.

Randy wrote:

"Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you a finny or 
a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall that you are a big 
man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say a BLACK Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, 
it would be better if it was a WHITE Mercedes just because of the heat."

I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50 lbs 
lighter than my max.   The 126 definitely fits me better.   In fact the 124 diesel 
that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a fantastic car, but 
it always seemed a little small to me which was why I sold it and got a 126.

Don Snook


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the ivory interior.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

And a further failure mode is an ALDA that is broken / leaks off the boost so 
fast that it does little good or no good at all.  On the early 124 cars, the 
ALDA can be taken apart and resealed with fresh O-rings, perhaps your 123 car 
is the same.

A methodical approach, small steps, will succeed.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On October 3, 2019 5:02:29 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On the driver's side firewall there is a switchover valve inline in the
>tube that goes from the manifold to the ALDA.  Make sure the rubber
>bits
>that connect the hard lines to the switchover valve are airtight.
>Otherwise the ALDA will not see the boost pressure and will not inject
>enough fuel.
>
>On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 16:47 David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Turbo 617 engines all had EGR. I know this will cause a ruckus, but
>Kent
>> gives an OK overview of the EGR valve and how to test it:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud60NZuma-A=322s
>>
>> D.
>>
>> At 8:25 PM + 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>> >I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.
>> >
>> >Don Snook
>> >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

That’s true.  But, finding one for $5000 in actual decent condition might be 
almost impossible.  I do wonder if I am going for that era, if I should just 
get a 114/115.  They are not as elegant or collectible as the 108/109 but I 
have a special fondness for them because my first MB was a 1971 250/8 with the 
2.8 six cylinder.  It was red with white (ivory?) interior.  I loved everything 
about that car except for the carbs.   Once they were working it was great.  
But, before that it was rough.


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From: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don ; Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet 
timeless

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
OK Don wrote:

"Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124 
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but much 
better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them."

That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but I 
will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.  It was 
certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for Mercedes in 
the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for that.  But, the 124 
really represented the car that one the first Mercedes for a lot of people.  It 
was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking liberal college professors and the 
126 (especially the 560) was more the Surgeons and Senior Partners at law 
firms.  But, the 124 was the car built to appeal to more people here than ever 
before.

Randy wrote:

"Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you a 
finny or a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall 
that you are a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say a BLACK 
Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be better if it was a WHITE Mercedes 
just because of the heat."

I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50 lbs 
lighter than my max.   The 126 definitely fits me better.   In fact the 124 
diesel that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a 
fantastic car, but it always seemed a little small to me which was why I sold 
it and got a 126.

Don Snook


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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The pollution would be generated in producing the acres and acres of solar 
panels that would be needed to produce enough useful electricity to produce 
enough hydrogen so that one could drive 300 or more miles per week.  

And then there is the business case which would probably show the cost per mile 
driven to be about fifty times the cost of an equivalent internal combustion 
engine vehicle.  Thus the expression "A fool and his money are soon parted."
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On October 3, 2019 4:27:28 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If you used solar power to electrolyze water where's the pollution?
>
>On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:33 PM OK Don via Mercedes
>
>wrote:
>
>> Well said, Curt ... The bottom line - TANSTAAFL.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:29 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >  Hydrogen "energy" is hugely polluting. Most of the industrial
>hydrogen
>> is
>> > extracted from oil. Sure you could extract it from water but the
>energy
>> > required for that is big.At best hydrogen is an inefficient
>battery.
>> > Actually at best its a scam to extract money from rubes...
>> > -Curt
>>
>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>>
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>> for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My advice is to connect the hydraulic lines ( hand tight) while the
mounting screws are very lose.  Also, expect to get some oil on you.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 13:55 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I tried to order Wurth alloy wheel paint but was rebuffed by the online
> dealer!
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:14:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >  Which makes me wonder how they got them...
> > > -Curt
> >
> > I was wondering the same thing ...
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > > On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 9:11:18 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via
> > > Mercedes  wrote:
> > >  Yeah, I recall that someone in Kalifornia or someplace like that had a
> > > vendor refuse to ship them, said they were classified as hazardous
> > > material.
> > >
> > > Silly.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/10/2019 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet
timeless

AND expensive and hard to come by these days but I do think Pierre had 
good things to say about them.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

On the driver's side firewall there is a switchover valve inline in the
tube that goes from the manifold to the ALDA.  Make sure the rubber bits
that connect the hard lines to the switchover valve are airtight.
Otherwise the ALDA will not see the boost pressure and will not inject
enough fuel.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 16:47 David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Turbo 617 engines all had EGR. I know this will cause a ruckus, but Kent
> gives an OK overview of the EGR valve and how to test it:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud60NZuma-A=322s
>
> D.
>
> At 8:25 PM + 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
> >I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.
> >
> >Don Snook
> >
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

Ahh.  Ok.  Well, that is one of the parts under the hood that is all shiny and 
new.  I know the general advice is ignore what the previous owner said.  But, I 
am not sure at this point there is any reason he will lie to me.  I have 
already bought the car.   He said he replaced the glow plugs this spring and 
the nuts do look like new (or at least clean).  He also said he had the valves 
adjusted.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: David Bruckmann  On Behalf Of David Bruckmann
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:47 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Don Snook 
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

Turbo 617 engines all had EGR. I know this will cause a ruckus, but Kent gives 
an OK overview of the EGR valve and how to test it:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dud60NZuma-2DA-26t-3D322s=DwIBAg=fpIeS8RwmHkY2r_dFRL5tQ=bWLZ-Rj1m7MhCstkQrL5NWSSU_DVYZAi80tDFdEWNn0=B6WJIrLaSnT9JVOKKUw24Euz62Z4fyUELB0bmK4zvUc=NANnWDj0YRKnL8aawjU4Kv5xo6bhVrB9IsJ-tvwXWdg=

D.

At 8:25 PM + 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.  
>
>Don Snook 
>

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

W108 OR 109 sedans are roomy enough and supremely classic in design, yet
timeless

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
>
> "Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the
> W124 does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well,
> but much better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them."
>
> That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but
> I will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.
> It was certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for
> Mercedes in the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for
> that.  But, the 124 really represented the car that one the first Mercedes
> for a lot of people.  It was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking
> liberal college professors and the 126 (especially the 560) was more the
> Surgeons and Senior Partners at law firms.  But, the 124 was the car built
> to appeal to more people here than ever before.
>
> Randy wrote:
>
> "Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you
> a finny or a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I
> recall that you are a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say
> a BLACK Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be better if it was a
> WHITE Mercedes just because of the heat."
>
> I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50
> lbs lighter than my max.   The 126 definitely fits me better.   In fact the
> 124 diesel that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a
> fantastic car, but it always seemed a little small to me which was why I
> sold it and got a 126.
>
> Don Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Turbo 617 engines all had EGR. I know this will cause a ruckus, but Kent gives 
an OK overview of the EGR valve and how to test it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud60NZuma-A=322s

D.

At 8:25 PM + 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.  
>
>Don Snook 
>

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Re: [MBZ] interesting

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

One of the first local Mercedes I looked at here in Chucktown was a brown 
version of this, in really sad shape.  It was totally clapped out, but had a 
manual transmission.  I probably could have worked on the seller to get a low 
price, but I was too scared of taking on that project as my first MB.  Sometime 
I wonder "If I had bought that ..." and then I shudder as the reality of buying 
a "cheap" Mercedes kicks in.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On October 3, 2019 1:40:11 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you used solar power to electrolyze water where's the pollution?

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:33 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Well said, Curt ... The bottom line - TANSTAAFL.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:29 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  Hydrogen "energy" is hugely polluting. Most of the industrial hydrogen
> is
> > extracted from oil. Sure you could extract it from water but the energy
> > required for that is big.At best hydrogen is an inefficient battery.
> > Actually at best its a scam to extract money from rubes...
> > -Curt
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It does

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.  
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Bruckmann  On Behalf Of David Bruckmann
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:23 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Don Snook 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack
> 
> You were in the right neighbourhood! Just clean out that banjo bolt (you 
> should be able to blow through it) and you're good to go. I think there's a 
> washer or two that are at risk of disappearing, so watch out for that. A ball 
> bearing in the vacuum line that goes to the EGR valve will prevent future 
> clogging.
> 
> 
>> On 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>> Well maybe I am misunderstanding.   
>> 
>> Imagine standing in front of the car.  On the left side is the air cleaner.  
>> Near the back of the valve cover is a clear (ish) line that goes onto a 
>> nipple. That line stretches over to the firewall on the other side and it 
>> goes to a place where a bunch of other lines go.   I disconnected it at the 
>> back of the valve cover where it goes onto a small nipple . This is where 
>> the banjo bolt is, right?  I did not take off the bolt.  I did take the line 
>> off the nipple and the line was not clogged.  But, my list does include 
>> taking off the banjo bolt and cleaning it out.  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

I don't think this has an EGR.  Its an 82.  

Don Snook 

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From: David Bruckmann  On Behalf Of David Bruckmann
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:23 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

You were in the right neighbourhood! Just clean out that banjo bolt (you should 
be able to blow through it) and you're good to go. I think there's a washer or 
two that are at risk of disappearing, so watch out for that. A ball bearing in 
the vacuum line that goes to the EGR valve will prevent future clogging.


On 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>Well maybe I am misunderstanding.   
>
>Imagine standing in front of the car.  On the left side is the air cleaner.  
>Near the back of the valve cover is a clear (ish) line that goes onto a 
>nipple. That line stretches over to the firewall on the other side and it goes 
>to a place where a bunch of other lines go.   I disconnected it at the back of 
>the valve cover where it goes onto a small nipple . This is where the banjo 
>bolt is, right?  I did not take off the bolt.  I did take the line off the 
>nipple and the line was not clogged.  But, my list does include taking off the 
>banjo bolt and cleaning it out.  


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

OK Don wrote: 

"Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124 
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but much 
better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them." 

That is a very good point and I do want to stick with 123 or older -- but I 
will say to most people the 124 probably would be considered a classic.  It was 
certainly one of the very best cars that made such a great name for Mercedes in 
the USA.  Yes, I know, the 123 really paved for the way for that.  But, the 124 
really represented the car that one the first Mercedes for a lot of people.  It 
was no longer the car for a the pipe-smoking liberal college professors and the 
126 (especially the 560) was more the Surgeons and Senior Partners at law 
firms.  But, the 124 was the car built to appeal to more people here than ever 
before. 

Randy wrote: 

"Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you a 
finny or a ponton!  Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall 
that you are a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.  I was going to say a BLACK 
Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be better if it was a WHITE Mercedes 
just because of the heat." 

I am big -- although not as big as I used to be.  Still 6'3" but about 50 lbs 
lighter than my max.   The 126 definitely fits me better.   In fact the 124 
diesel that was mine then went to OK Don, then Kaleb, then Craig was a 
fantastic car, but it always seemed a little small to me which was why I sold 
it and got a 126.  

Don Snook 


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

You were in the right neighbourhood! Just clean out that banjo bolt (you should 
be able to blow through it) and you're good to go. I think there's a washer or 
two that are at risk of disappearing, so watch out for that. A ball bearing in 
the vacuum line that goes to the EGR valve will prevent future clogging.


On 10/3/19, Don Snook wrote:
>Well maybe I am misunderstanding.   
>
>Imagine standing in front of the car.  On the left side is the air cleaner.  
>Near the back of the valve cover is a clear (ish) line that goes onto a 
>nipple. That line stretches over to the firewall on the other side and it goes 
>to a place where a bunch of other lines go.   I disconnected it at the back of 
>the valve cover where it goes onto a small nipple . This is where the banjo 
>bolt is, right?  I did not take off the bolt.  I did take the line off the 
>nipple and the line was not clogged.  But, my list does include taking off the 
>banjo bolt and cleaning it out.  


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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

Thanks.  I think it is definitely worth what I paid.  If the question is 
whether I would have paid $3,000 for one that had working a/c and great paint 
and was cleaner with working odometer and gauges, then I would have opted for 
the better one.

If I can’t find a shop here in Memphis that works on these old diesels, I may 
have to figure out whether I have the time (and patience) to work on it.  I’m 
still a little surprised that two different shops that advertise as a Mercedes 
repair shop, will not work on these old diesels.I didn’t specifically ask 
them.  But, I did ask my former BMW Mechanic where to go and he told me don’t 
go to these other two places because they refuse to work on old diesels.


Donald H. Snook
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From: Curt Raymond 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:33 PM
To: Andrew Strasfogel ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Cc: Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

It sounds to be like you've gotten a very good deal for $1000. I can hardly buy 
a car that runs and drives for $2,000 anymore. $1500 cars used to be my stock 
in trade but these days those cars are just junk.

If its reasonably rust free your car is worth $2,000 here easy. The problems 
you've reported are all relatively minor. Fix the most important ones (oil 
pressure gauge) and then pick away at the little ones while you enjoy the car.

-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 3:29:39 PM EDT, Don Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


You have never had the tach or oil pressure gauge quit? Or any problems with 
the a/c?  My old 123 diesel with over 450K  had the ignition deal where I had 
to turn it back just a tad to get the a/c to work.  The tach on it also was 
funky.  I have heard of tons of 123 where the odometer quits working -- 
although it has not happened to me until now.I have never had an oil 
pressure gauge fail (or at least not work).I think the issues I am tackling 
are fairly common.

BUT,  I take your point.  I have no illusions about this car.  I only paid 
$1000 for it.  I know it has not been babied.  I don't regret buying it 
considering the price.  Of course, I did see a craigslist for a 124 diesel.  It 
is a 1992 with only 122,000 miles and it looks SPECTACULAR and I want it.  But, 
it is also $7,000.  I know if this current 123 turns into too much of a 
headache, I have several buyers ready to come get it for $1000.



Donald H. Snook


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

Good work, Don, although to be honest in all my years of owning 300 diesels I 
haven't encountered any of the issues you report.  I think you may have picked 
up a car that has been at best neglected or - worse - butchered.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually the ones on my CD work. I need a Marlboro butt to fix my tach
> amp, Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:03 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of
> > super
> glue
> > on the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
> > IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than
> > once, I ought to actually do that.
> > -Curt
> >
> >On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via
> > Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the
> > vacuum system also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be
> > easier to determine
> what
> > fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
> > Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer
> > is working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a
> > common
> issue.
> > Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the
> > 300D 2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new
> > > to me
> > > 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try
> > > to be
> a
> > > little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I 

Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

Well maybe I am misunderstanding.   

Imagine standing in front of the car.  On the left side is the air cleaner.  
Near the back of the valve cover is a clear (ish) line that goes onto a nipple. 
That line stretches over to the firewall on the other side and it goes to a 
place where a bunch of other lines go.   I disconnected it at the back of the 
valve cover where it goes onto a small nipple . This is where the banjo bolt 
is, right?  I did not take off the bolt.  I did take the line off the nipple 
and the line was not clogged.  But, my list does include taking off the banjo 
bolt and cleaning it out.  


Donald H. Snook 



-Original Message-
From: David Bruckmann  On Behalf Of David Bruckmann
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:40 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Don Snook 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

The boost line often plugs up at the fitting on the back of the intake 
manifold. There's a banjo bolt there which you should remove, clean, etc. If it 
plugs there, the rest of the line will look relatively clean (because it is!). 
You definitely need to disconnect it to clean it.

D.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, Don Snook wrote:
>
>> 3. Check boost line from back of intake.? I did this. It looked 
>> pretty good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn?t 
>> figure out how to release the connector where it went to the firewall 
>> with a bunch of other stuff.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/10/2019 2:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but
much better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them.



Yeah! Dump that 123 for a quick profit and get Dan and Jaime to find you 
a finny or a ponton!


Or go for broke and get something bigger. I think I recall that you are 
a big man. You need a BIG Mercedes.


I was going to say a BLACK Mercedes, but maybe in Memphis, it would be 
better if it was a WHITE Mercedes just because of the heat.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The boost line often plugs up at the fitting on the back of the intake 
manifold. There's a banjo bolt there which you should remove, clean, etc. If it 
plugs there, the rest of the line will look relatively clean (because it is!). 
You definitely need to disconnect it to clean it.

D.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, Don Snook wrote:
>
>> 3. Check boost line from back of intake.? I did this. It looked pretty
>> good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn?t figure out how to
>> release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch of other
>> stuff.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Now remember, your initial criteria was for a classic looking MB - the W124
does not fit that. The W123 and W126 are marginal in my book as well, but
much better (classic looks wise) than anything that followed them.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:29 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You have never had the tach or oil pressure gauge quit? Or any problems
> with the a/c?   My old 123 diesel with over 450K  had the ignition deal
> where I had to turn it back just a tad to get the a/c to work.  The tach on
> it also was funky.  I have heard of tons of 123 where the odometer quits
> working -- although it has not happened to me until now.I have never
> had an oil pressure gauge fail (or at least not work).I think the
> issues I am tackling are fairly common.
>
> BUT,  I take your point.  I have no illusions about this car.  I only paid
> $1000 for it.  I know it has not been babied.  I don't regret buying it
> considering the price.   Of course, I did see a craigslist for a 124
> diesel.  It is a 1992 with only 122,000 miles and it looks SPECTACULAR and
> I want it.  But, it is also $7,000.  I know if this current 123 turns into
> too much of a headache, I have several buyers ready to come get it for
> $1000.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:58 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack
>
> Good work, Don, although to be honest in all my years of owning 300
> diesels I haven't encountered any of the issues you report.  I think you
> may have picked up a car that has been at best neglected or - worse -
> butchered.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually the ones on my CD work. I need a Marlboro butt to fix my tach
> > amp, Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:03 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of
> > > super
> > glue
> > > on the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
> > > IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than
> > > once, I ought to actually do that.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > > On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via
> > > Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the
> > > vacuum system also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be
> > > easier to determine
> > what
> > > fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
> > > Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer
> > > is working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a
> > > common
> > issue.
> > > Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the
> > > 300D 2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new
> > > > to me
> > > > 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try
> > > > to be
> > a
> > > > little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I think this
> > > > was great advice.  I know when I have some big project at work, I
> > > > don't let
> > > it
> > > > overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact,
> > > > I
> > have
> > > > always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.  But,
> > > > apparently, I forgot about this method while I was caught up in
> > > > the excitement of my
> > > car
> > > > project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things
> > > > have
> > > been
> > > > done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen
> > > > until
> > > later
> > > > (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Here is my plan so far:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to
> > > > be drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not
> > > > hanging
> > > down)
> > > >
> > > > 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked
> > > > pretty good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t
> > > > figure out
> > how
> > > to
> > > > release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch
> > > > of
> > other
> > > > stuff.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it
> > addresses
> > > > anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> > > > Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean
> > > > but
> > I
> > > > know that can be deceiving.
> > > >
> > > > 5. Oil and Filter change
> > > >
> > > > 6.  Because the a/c, vent, defrost doesn’t work at all, I think
> > > > the problem 

Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It sounds to be like you've gotten a very good deal for $1000. I can hardly 
buy a car that runs and drives for $2,000 anymore. $1500 cars used to be my 
stock in trade but these days those cars are just junk.
If its reasonably rust free your car is worth $2,000 here easy. The problems 
you've reported are all relatively minor. Fix the most important ones (oil 
pressure gauge) and then pick away at the little ones while you enjoy the car.
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 3:29:39 PM EDT, Don Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 You have never had the tach or oil pressure gauge quit? Or any problems with 
the a/c?  My old 123 diesel with over 450K  had the ignition deal where I had 
to turn it back just a tad to get the a/c to work.  The tach on it also was 
funky.  I have heard of tons of 123 where the odometer quits working -- 
although it has not happened to me until now.    I have never had an oil 
pressure gauge fail (or at least not work).    I think the issues I am tackling 
are fairly common.  

BUT,  I take your point.  I have no illusions about this car.  I only paid 
$1000 for it.  I know it has not been babied.  I don't regret buying it 
considering the price.  Of course, I did see a craigslist for a 124 diesel.  It 
is a 1992 with only 122,000 miles and it looks SPECTACULAR and I want it.  But, 
it is also $7,000.  I know if this current 123 turns into too much of a 
headache, I have several buyers ready to come get it for $1000.  



Donald H. Snook 


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel  
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

Good work, Don, although to be honest in all my years of owning 300 diesels I 
haven't encountered any of the issues you report.  I think you may have picked 
up a car that has been at best neglected or - worse - butchered.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually the ones on my CD work. I need a Marlboro butt to fix my tach 
> amp, Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:03 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of 
> > super
> glue
> > on the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
> > IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than 
> > once, I ought to actually do that.
> > -Curt
> >
> >    On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via 
> > Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the 
> > vacuum system also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be 
> > easier to determine
> what
> > fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
> > Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer 
> > is working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a 
> > common
> issue.
> > Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the 
> > 300D 2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes < 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new 
> > > to me
> > > 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try 
> > > to be
> a
> > > little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I think this 
> > > was great advice.  I know when I have some big project at work, I 
> > > don't let
> > it
> > > overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact, 
> > > I
> have
> > > always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.  But, 
> > > apparently, I forgot about this method while I was caught up in 
> > > the excitement of my
> > car
> > > project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things 
> > > have
> > been
> > > done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen 
> > > until
> > later
> > > (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
> > >
> > > Here is my plan so far:
> > >
> > > 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to 
> > > be drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not 
> > > hanging
> > down)
> > >
> > > 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
> > >
> > > 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked 
> > > pretty good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t 
> > > figure out
> how
> > to
> > > release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch 
> > > of
> other
> > > stuff.
> > >
> > > 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it
> addresses
> > > anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> > > Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean 
> > > but
> I
> > > know that can be deceiving.
> > >
> > > 5. Oil and Filter change
> > >
> > > 6.  Because the a/c, 

Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well said, Curt ... The bottom line - TANSTAAFL.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:29 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Hydrogen "energy" is hugely polluting. Most of the industrial hydrogen is
> extracted from oil. Sure you could extract it from water but the energy
> required for that is big.At best hydrogen is an inefficient battery.
> Actually at best its a scam to extract money from rubes...
> -Curt


-- 
OK Don

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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] interesting

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The US headlights would have been required to import back in the day. It
has those aftermarket wheels where the chrome peels off around the rim,
leaking air on a regular basis. My SLC had those when I bought it - not
cool. Of course, it shouldn't be too hard to find the proper bundts for it.
It would be a cool car - go for it Snook!!!

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:14 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It also has US headlights.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:36 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I’ve been to St. Simon’s its beautiful.
> >
> > If this euro, shouldn’t it have the itchy velour seats rather than
> > leather?  A 126 stick shift would be cool! So, this would be the m110
> > engine?  So, either 2 carbs or the fuel injection?  My old 82 euro 280
> got
> > pretty lousy gas mileage.
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Floyd Thursby  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > --FT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

You have never had the tach or oil pressure gauge quit? Or any problems with 
the a/c?   My old 123 diesel with over 450K  had the ignition deal where I had 
to turn it back just a tad to get the a/c to work.  The tach on it also was 
funky.  I have heard of tons of 123 where the odometer quits working -- 
although it has not happened to me until now.I have never had an oil 
pressure gauge fail (or at least not work).I think the issues I am tackling 
are fairly common.  

BUT,  I take your point.  I have no illusions about this car.  I only paid 
$1000 for it.  I know it has not been babied.  I don't regret buying it 
considering the price.   Of course, I did see a craigslist for a 124 diesel.  
It is a 1992 with only 122,000 miles and it looks SPECTACULAR and I want it.  
But, it is also $7,000.  I know if this current 123 turns into too much of a 
headache, I have several buyers ready to come get it for $1000.  



Donald H. Snook 


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel  
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

Good work, Don, although to be honest in all my years of owning 300 diesels I 
haven't encountered any of the issues you report.  I think you may have picked 
up a car that has been at best neglected or - worse - butchered.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually the ones on my CD work. I need a Marlboro butt to fix my tach 
> amp, Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:03 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of 
> > super
> glue
> > on the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
> > IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than 
> > once, I ought to actually do that.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via 
> > Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the 
> > vacuum system also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be 
> > easier to determine
> what
> > fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
> > Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer 
> > is working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a 
> > common
> issue.
> > Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the 
> > 300D 2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes < 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new 
> > > to me
> > > 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try 
> > > to be
> a
> > > little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I think this 
> > > was great advice.  I know when I have some big project at work, I 
> > > don't let
> > it
> > > overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact, 
> > > I
> have
> > > always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.  But, 
> > > apparently, I forgot about this method while I was caught up in 
> > > the excitement of my
> > car
> > > project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things 
> > > have
> > been
> > > done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen 
> > > until
> > later
> > > (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
> > >
> > > Here is my plan so far:
> > >
> > > 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to 
> > > be drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not 
> > > hanging
> > down)
> > >
> > > 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
> > >
> > > 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked 
> > > pretty good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t 
> > > figure out
> how
> > to
> > > release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch 
> > > of
> other
> > > stuff.
> > >
> > > 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it
> addresses
> > > anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> > > Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean 
> > > but
> I
> > > know that can be deceiving.
> > >
> > > 5. Oil and Filter change
> > >
> > > 6.  Because the a/c, vent, defrost doesn’t work at all, I think 
> > > the problem is in the CCU unit. Probably just needs resoldered. (I 
> > > have
> > checked
> > > and replaced the blower motor fuse). So, I will either get a 
> > > rebuilt version or try to solder it myself.
> > >
> > > 7. Address vacuum line issues because it could be effecting a 
> > > bunch of systems.  I don’t know if I will have the time (or 
> > > patience) to do this myself or if I will have a shop do it.
> > >
> > > 8. Check glow plugs. Isn’t this just a matter of checking 

Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Hydrogen "energy" is hugely polluting. Most of the industrial hydrogen is 
extracted from oil. Sure you could extract it from water but the energy 
required for that is big.At best hydrogen is an inefficient battery.
Actually at best its a scam to extract money from rubes...
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 3:03:51 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Not exactly, but getting there.  Hydrogen is probably closer.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> But, but, but, it's free energy and doesn't pollute .
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:57 AM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hybrid vehicle owners sound off on increased car tab renewal fee
> > http://via.q13fox.com/PSlmY
> >
> > Maybe a non issue for this group, as we do not have electric benz
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Carpet Cleaner

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

G Mann I cannot even begin to estimate the number times you have offended
me.  If there were a rewards program for offensiveness you would be in
Hawaii right now.



On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:52 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are only so many hours in a day.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   My apology to any one I have not
> offended, I'll get to you soon. ;))
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:54 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Uh, the subject was “Automotive carpet cleaners”, not “Automatic”.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone on this list who whines about automatic carpet cleaners is a
> > > p**pyhead.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:37 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> No!  Not at all!  I find the whiners to be very offensive.
> > >>
> > >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 8:24 PM:
> > >>> I think it might be more accurate to say "I'm not offended that
> you're
> > >>> offended", would it not?
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] interesting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It also has US headlights.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:36 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve been to St. Simon’s its beautiful.
>
> If this euro, shouldn’t it have the itchy velour seats rather than
> leather?  A 126 stick shift would be cool! So, this would be the m110
> engine?  So, either 2 carbs or the fuel injection?  My old 82 euro 280 got
> pretty lousy gas mileage.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Floyd Thursby 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html
> >
> > --
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not exactly, but getting there.  Hydrogen is probably closer.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> But, but, but, it's free energy and doesn't pollute .
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:57 AM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hybrid vehicle owners sound off on increased car tab renewal fee
> > http://via.q13fox.com/PSlmY
> >
> > Maybe a non issue for this group, as we do not have electric benz
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] Weather

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Rape you literally - how??

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They also do it with the lowest attendance in the league, too, in one of
> the crappiest venues as well.
>
> Owners tried to rape us recently when they wanted Tampa to build them an
> $800M stadium. They said they would pay for $200M of it.
>
> We told them to stuff it.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > He Dan, do you follow the TB Rays?  They are a scary good MLB team and
> they
> > achieve this with the lowest team payroll!  They do for the game at a
> cost
> > comparable to what you do to neglected MB classics.
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:02 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Its rained every week in MA for the last 15 months. Strangely things are
> >> kind of dry now, the rains we've been getting don't amount to much, but
> its
> >> consistent, every single stinking week.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 6:03:18 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
> >> Mercedes  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 02/10/2019 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Come n get it!! Rain 19 of 30 days in RHN. (official)   More than
> >>> that here.
> >>>
> >>> Randy is getting frigid weather.   Did you get schnee yet?
> >>>
> >>> It has probably rained 2 of 3 days this summer, except for one week
> >>> around July 1.
> >>>
> >>> But it IS nice to have rain and green things (even things that are not
> >>> supposed to be green) after all the drought decade(s).   It was so dry
> >>> so long that oak and maple trees were dying top down. Some still have
> >>> dead tops.
> >>>
> >>> I got the 240D backed into the garage before the current 40 days and
> >>> 40 nights started.   Next year I can pull it out wit da tractor and
> >>> change petals, driveshaft, transmission etc.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, it is raining now.
> >>
> >> No snow yet but we have had a wet September. Didn't rain all summer but
> >> we have broken the all time record in September. I look at the radar
> >> maps and much of it goes east of us over Wisconsin so I assumed you were
> >> getting a bit wet too.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good work, Don, although to be honest in all my years of owning 300 diesels
I haven't encountered any of the issues you report.  I think you may have
picked up a car that has been at best neglected or - worse - butchered.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually the ones on my CD work. I need a Marlboro butt to fix my tach amp,
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:03 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of super
> glue
> > on the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
> > IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than once, I
> > ought to actually do that.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the vacuum
> > system
> > also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be easier to determine
> what
> > fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
> > Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer is
> > working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a common
> issue.
> > Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the 300D
> > 2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new to me
> > > 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try to be
> a
> > > little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I think this was
> > > great advice.  I know when I have some big project at work, I don't let
> > it
> > > overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact, I
> have
> > > always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.  But, apparently, I
> > > forgot about this method while I was caught up in the excitement of my
> > car
> > > project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things have
> > been
> > > done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen until
> > later
> > > (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
> > >
> > > Here is my plan so far:
> > >
> > > 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to be
> > > drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not hanging
> > down)
> > >
> > > 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
> > >
> > > 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked pretty
> > > good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t figure out
> how
> > to
> > > release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch of
> other
> > > stuff.
> > >
> > > 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it
> addresses
> > > anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> > > Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean but
> I
> > > know that can be deceiving.
> > >
> > > 5. Oil and Filter change
> > >
> > > 6.  Because the a/c, vent, defrost doesn’t work at all, I think the
> > > problem is in the CCU unit. Probably just needs resoldered. (I have
> > checked
> > > and replaced the blower motor fuse). So, I will either get a rebuilt
> > > version or try to solder it myself.
> > >
> > > 7. Address vacuum line issues because it could be effecting a bunch of
> > > systems.  I don’t know if I will have the time (or patience) to do this
> > > myself or if I will have a shop do it.
> > >
> > > 8. Check glow plugs. Isn’t this just a matter of checking the
> resistance?
> > > The nuts look like the cleanest thing under the hood which makes me
> think
> > > they are fairly new. But, no way to know for sure.
> > >
> > > 9. Coolant flush (it has new radiator) with Zerex
> > >
> > > 10. Check tach amp as suggested and fix with paper because I quit
> > smoking!
> > >
> > > 11. Possibly replace cluster with newer version?  But,  one of the
> > > reasons to do this is because oil pressure gauge is not working and the
> > > cluster might not be problem.  Replacing cluster would address broken
> > > odometer issue.
> > >
> > > 12.  At this point stop and evaluate if I want to keep going or decide
> to
> > > sell it. I have had others in the 123 Facebook group offer to buy it.
> > They
> > > were the ones that missed out when I bought it.
> > >
> > > 13. Only if I decide to keep going will I address things like carpet,
> > door
> > > pockets, rebuilding seats (they are not bad, they are not very
> supportive
> > > anymore), replacing wood veneers in the console a/C panel, replacing
> > crappy
> > > Kenwood aftermarket radio, etc.  I think we all know the list of things
> > > that COULD be done is almost endless.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Donald H. Snook
> > > 1982 Mercedes 300D 

Re: [MBZ] Automotive Carpet Cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There are only so many hours in a day.

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wrote:   My apology to any one I have not offended, I'll get to you soon. ;))

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:54 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Uh, the subject was “Automotive carpet cleaners”, not “Automatic”.
>
> ?
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone on this list who whines about automatic carpet cleaners is a
> > p**pyhead.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:37 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No!  Not at all!  I find the whiners to be very offensive.
> >>
> >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 8:24 PM:
> >>> I think it might be more accurate to say "I'm not offended that you're
> >>> offended", would it not?
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Actually the ones on my CD work. I need a Marlboro butt to fix my tach amp,
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:03 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of super glue
> on the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
> IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than once, I
> ought to actually do that.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the vacuum
> system
> also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be easier to determine what
> fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
> Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer is
> working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a common issue.
> Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the 300D
> 2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new to me
> > 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try to be a
> > little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I think this was
> > great advice.  I know when I have some big project at work, I don't let
> it
> > overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact, I have
> > always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.  But, apparently, I
> > forgot about this method while I was caught up in the excitement of my
> car
> > project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things have
> been
> > done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen until
> later
> > (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
> >
> > Here is my plan so far:
> >
> > 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to be
> > drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not hanging
> down)
> >
> > 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
> >
> > 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked pretty
> > good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t figure out how
> to
> > release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch of other
> > stuff.
> >
> > 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it addresses
> > anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> > Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean but I
> > know that can be deceiving.
> >
> > 5. Oil and Filter change
> >
> > 6.  Because the a/c, vent, defrost doesn’t work at all, I think the
> > problem is in the CCU unit. Probably just needs resoldered. (I have
> checked
> > and replaced the blower motor fuse). So, I will either get a rebuilt
> > version or try to solder it myself.
> >
> > 7. Address vacuum line issues because it could be effecting a bunch of
> > systems.  I don’t know if I will have the time (or patience) to do this
> > myself or if I will have a shop do it.
> >
> > 8. Check glow plugs. Isn’t this just a matter of checking the resistance?
> > The nuts look like the cleanest thing under the hood which makes me think
> > they are fairly new. But, no way to know for sure.
> >
> > 9. Coolant flush (it has new radiator) with Zerex
> >
> > 10. Check tach amp as suggested and fix with paper because I quit
> smoking!
> >
> > 11. Possibly replace cluster with newer version?  But,  one of the
> > reasons to do this is because oil pressure gauge is not working and the
> > cluster might not be problem.  Replacing cluster would address broken
> > odometer issue.
> >
> > 12.  At this point stop and evaluate if I want to keep going or decide to
> > sell it. I have had others in the 123 Facebook group offer to buy it.
> They
> > were the ones that missed out when I bought it.
> >
> > 13. Only if I decide to keep going will I address things like carpet,
> door
> > pockets, rebuilding seats (they are not bad, they are not very supportive
> > anymore), replacing wood veneers in the console a/C panel, replacing
> crappy
> > Kenwood aftermarket radio, etc.  I think we all know the list of things
> > that COULD be done is almost endless.
> >
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> > 1982 Mercedes 300D (200K+ miles)
> > 2017 Toyota 4Runner (35K miles)
> > 2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car -- I hate it)
> >
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Re: [MBZ] interesting

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I’ve been to St. Simon’s its beautiful.  

If this euro, shouldn’t it have the itchy velour seats rather than leather?  A 
126 stick shift would be cool! So, this would be the m110 engine?  So, either 2 
carbs or the fuel injection?  My old 82 euro 280 got pretty lousy gas mileage. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Floyd Thursby  wrote:
> 
> https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - road tax

[G Mann via Mercedes]

But, but, but, it's free energy and doesn't pollute .


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> Hybrid vehicle owners sound off on increased car tab renewal fee
> http://via.q13fox.com/PSlmY
>
> Maybe a non issue for this group, as we do not have electric benz
>
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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Carpet Cleaner

[G Mann via Mercedes]

My apology to any one I have not offended, I'll get to you soon. ;))

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:54 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Uh, the subject was “Automotive carpet cleaners”, not “Automatic”.
>
> ?
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone on this list who whines about automatic carpet cleaners is a
> > p**pyhead.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:37 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No!  Not at all!  I find the whiners to be very offensive.
> >>
> >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 8:24 PM:
> >>> I think it might be more accurate to say "I'm not offended that you're
> >>> offended", would it not?
> >>>
> >>>
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[MBZ] OT - road tax

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Hybrid vehicle owners sound off on increased car tab renewal fee
http://via.q13fox.com/PSlmY

Maybe a non issue for this group, as we do not have electric benz

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I tried to order Wurth alloy wheel paint but was rebuffed by the online
dealer!

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:14:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> >  Which makes me wonder how they got them...
> > -Curt
>
> I was wondering the same thing ...
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 9:11:18 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >  Yeah, I recall that someone in Kalifornia or someplace like that had a
> > vendor refuse to ship them, said they were classified as hazardous
> > material.
> >
> > Silly.
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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Carpet Cleaner

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Uh, the subject was “Automotive carpet cleaners”, not “Automatic”.

?

-D

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone on this list who whines about automatic carpet cleaners is a
> p**pyhead.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:37 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> No!  Not at all!  I find the whiners to be very offensive.
>> 
>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 8:24 PM:
>>> I think it might be more accurate to say "I'm not offended that you're
>>> offended", would it not?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] interesting

[G Mann via Mercedes]

First oil change at 92,000?

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:46 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:40:11 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> >
> https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html
>
> So why was the engine rebuilt at 92,000 miles?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I'm pretty sure this is more entertaining ...

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That’s how I was describing the difference between the M119 and M120 to the 
eldest boy the other day. I was telling him about that really nice S600 that’s 
for sale nearby, and he was wondering why it would be any better than an S500 
as far as performance.

We were on the interstate at the time, and I asked him if he remembers the get 
up and go from a stop his former S420 had.

 “Yup.”

“OK, so we're going 70 mph. Think about that sort of performance when you put 
your foot into the car at 70 mph. That’s the difference.”

-D

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I drove the SL600 the other evening.  It was a bit cooler and it was running 
> pretty well.  Even at like 3/4 throttle it just builds power like a turbine 
> and it feels *really" good, then when it hits 4000rpm it is like a 
> supercharger kicks in and speed just builds and builds...  I left my driveway 
> and hit 80 before I really realized it, I even triggered the ASR nanny for a 
> split second. It's extremely entertaining.  It's probably not TOO much, but 
> it is quite adequate.  Maybe.  I was thinking what my buddy's newer SL65 
> would be like...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/3/19 1:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> Rather than looking at various Austrian all-terrain vehicles, consider
>> the answers to BAT's Question of the Week: How Much Power Is Too Much
>> Power?
>> 
>> Scroll the long way down to the bottom of the page and read the multitude
>> of responses.
>> 
>> Some of the good ones are:
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 2 at 12:18 PM
>> buickboy63 191
>> 
>> A Saturn “V” rocket strapped to a motorcycle MIGHT be too much power!
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
>> Dr_Randy 7,166
>> 
>> Saw a picture the other day of a Miata with a supercharged Hellcat V8
>> stuffed into it. That might be the answer.
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
>> zachmac 5,892
>> 
>> You are on the highway and want to pass. As you begin to depress the
>> accelerator, before you have a chance to steer around it, you run over
>> the car in front of you. That’s about enough power.
>> 
>> 
>> There are many more ...
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] interesting

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:40:11 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html

So why was the engine rebuilt at 92,000 miles?


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[MBZ] interesting

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-simons-island-1984-mercedes-benz/6991823275.html

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Re: [MBZ] I'm pretty sure this is more entertaining ...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I drove the SL600 the other evening.  It was a bit cooler and it was 
running pretty well.  Even at like 3/4 throttle it just builds power 
like a turbine and it feels *really" good, then when it hits 4000rpm it 
is like a supercharger kicks in and speed just builds and builds...  I 
left my driveway and hit 80 before I really realized it, I even 
triggered the ASR nanny for a split second. It's extremely 
entertaining.  It's probably not TOO much, but it is quite adequate.  
Maybe.  I was thinking what my buddy's newer SL65 would be like...


--FT

On 10/3/19 1:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

Rather than looking at various Austrian all-terrain vehicles, consider
the answers to BAT's Question of the Week: How Much Power Is Too Much
Power?

Scroll the long way down to the bottom of the page and read the multitude
of responses.

Some of the good ones are:


Oct 2 at 12:18 PM
buickboy63 191

A Saturn “V” rocket strapped to a motorcycle MIGHT be too much power!


Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
Dr_Randy 7,166

Saw a picture the other day of a Miata with a supercharged Hellcat V8
stuffed into it. That might be the answer.


Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
zachmac 5,892

You are on the highway and want to pass. As you begin to depress the
accelerator, before you have a chance to steer around it, you run over
the car in front of you. That’s about enough power.


There are many more ...


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Re: [MBZ] Weather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They also do it with the lowest attendance in the league, too, in one of the 
crappiest venues as well.

Owners tried to rape us recently when they wanted Tampa to build them an $800M 
stadium. They said they would pay for $200M of it.

We told them to stuff it.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He Dan, do you follow the TB Rays?  They are a scary good MLB team and they
> achieve this with the lowest team payroll!  They do for the game at a cost
> comparable to what you do to neglected MB classics.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:02 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Its rained every week in MA for the last 15 months. Strangely things are
>> kind of dry now, the rains we've been getting don't amount to much, but its
>> consistent, every single stinking week.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 6:03:18 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 02/10/2019 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Come n get it!! Rain 19 of 30 days in RHN. (official)   More than
>>> that here.
>>> 
>>> Randy is getting frigid weather.   Did you get schnee yet?
>>> 
>>> It has probably rained 2 of 3 days this summer, except for one week
>>> around July 1.
>>> 
>>> But it IS nice to have rain and green things (even things that are not
>>> supposed to be green) after all the drought decade(s).   It was so dry
>>> so long that oak and maple trees were dying top down. Some still have
>>> dead tops.
>>> 
>>> I got the 240D backed into the garage before the current 40 days and
>>> 40 nights started.   Next year I can pull it out wit da tractor and
>>> change petals, driveshaft, transmission etc.
>>> 
>>> BTW, it is raining now.
>> 
>> No snow yet but we have had a wet September. Didn't rain all summer but
>> we have broken the all time record in September. I look at the radar
>> maps and much of it goes east of us over Wisconsin so I assumed you were
>> getting a bit wet too.
>> 
>> Randy
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[MBZ] I'm pretty sure this is more entertaining ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

Rather than looking at various Austrian all-terrain vehicles, consider
the answers to BAT's Question of the Week: How Much Power Is Too Much
Power?

Scroll the long way down to the bottom of the page and read the multitude
of responses.

Some of the good ones are:


Oct 2 at 12:18 PM
buickboy63 191

A Saturn “V” rocket strapped to a motorcycle MIGHT be too much power!


Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
Dr_Randy 7,166

Saw a picture the other day of a Miata with a supercharged Hellcat V8
stuffed into it. That might be the answer.


Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
zachmac 5,892

You are on the highway and want to pass. As you begin to depress the
accelerator, before you have a chance to steer around it, you run over
the car in front of you. That’s about enough power.


There are many more ...


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Re: [MBZ] Climate Control unit 123

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Aux. water pump?

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Good question.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 2, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm. If the auxiliary pump was bad and took out the control unit,would
> the fan work?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Weather

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

He Dan, do you follow the TB Rays?  They are a scary good MLB team and they
achieve this with the lowest team payroll!  They do for the game at a cost
comparable to what you do to neglected MB classics.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:02 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Its rained every week in MA for the last 15 months. Strangely things are
> kind of dry now, the rains we've been getting don't amount to much, but its
> consistent, every single stinking week.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 6:03:18 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  On 02/10/2019 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Come n get it!! Rain 19 of 30 days in RHN. (official)   More than
> > that here.
> >
> > Randy is getting frigid weather.   Did you get schnee yet?
> >
> > It has probably rained 2 of 3 days this summer, except for one week
> > around July 1.
> >
> > But it IS nice to have rain and green things (even things that are not
> > supposed to be green) after all the drought decade(s).   It was so dry
> > so long that oak and maple trees were dying top down. Some still have
> > dead tops.
> >
> > I got the 240D backed into the garage before the current 40 days and
> > 40 nights started.   Next year I can pull it out wit da tractor and
> > change petals, driveshaft, transmission etc.
> >
> > BTW, it is raining now.
>
> No snow yet but we have had a wet September. Didn't rain all summer but
> we have broken the all time record in September. I look at the radar
> maps and much of it goes east of us over Wisconsin so I assumed you were
> getting a bit wet too.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Carpet Cleaner

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone on this list who whines about automatic carpet cleaners is a
p**pyhead.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No!  Not at all!  I find the whiners to be very offensive.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 8:24 PM:
> > I think it might be more accurate to say "I'm not offended that you're
> > offended", would it not?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The plastic gears are also wicked easy to fix. A little dab of super glue on 
the shaft for the tenths wheel has restored 2 of them for me.
IIRC I've promised to fix Dwight's, probably promised more than once, I ought 
to actually do that.
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 10:52:43 AM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the vacuum system
also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be easier to determine what
fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer is
working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a common issue.
Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the 300D
2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new to me
> 1982 300D.  He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try to be a
> little more methodical with the issues (my wording).  I think this was
> great advice.  I know when I have some big project at work, I don't let it
> overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact, I have
> always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.  But, apparently, I
> forgot about this method while I was caught up in the excitement of my car
> project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things have been
> done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen until later
> (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
>
> Here is my plan so far:
>
> 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to be
> drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not hanging down)
>
> 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
>
> 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked pretty
> good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t figure out how to
> release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch of other
> stuff.
>
> 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it addresses
> anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean but I
> know that can be deceiving.
>
> 5. Oil and Filter change
>
> 6.  Because the a/c, vent, defrost doesn’t work at all, I think the
> problem is in the CCU unit. Probably just needs resoldered. (I have checked
> and replaced the blower motor fuse). So, I will either get a rebuilt
> version or try to solder it myself.
>
> 7. Address vacuum line issues because it could be effecting a bunch of
> systems.  I don’t know if I will have the time (or patience) to do this
> myself or if I will have a shop do it.
>
> 8. Check glow plugs. Isn’t this just a matter of checking the resistance?
> The nuts look like the cleanest thing under the hood which makes me think
> they are fairly new. But, no way to know for sure.
>
> 9. Coolant flush (it has new radiator) with Zerex
>
> 10. Check tach amp as suggested and fix with paper because I quit smoking!
>
> 11. Possibly replace cluster with newer version?  But,  one of the
> reasons to do this is because oil pressure gauge is not working and the
> cluster might not be problem.  Replacing cluster would address broken
> odometer issue.
>
> 12.  At this point stop and evaluate if I want to keep going or decide to
> sell it. I have had others in the 123 Facebook group offer to buy it. They
> were the ones that missed out when I bought it.
>
> 13. Only if I decide to keep going will I address things like carpet, door
> pockets, rebuilding seats (they are not bad, they are not very supportive
> anymore), replacing wood veneers in the console a/C panel, replacing crappy
> Kenwood aftermarket radio, etc.  I think we all know the list of things
> that COULD be done is almost endless.
>
>
>
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> 2017 Toyota 4Runner (35K miles)
> 2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car -- I hate it)
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Looks like a good plan, though I think I'd swap 6 and 7 - the vacuum system
also controls parts of the ACC system - it will be easier to determine what
fixes what if the vents flaps are working.
Regarding #11 - a different cluster doesn't mean that it's odometer is
working either - the plastic gears slipping or breaking is a common issue.
Probably more effective to just fix yours. (The odometer died in the 300D
2.5T about 30 miles south of Wichita when I bought it from you).

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:28 PM Don Snook via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A few days ago Dan replied to one of my questions about this new to me
> 1982 300D.   He suggested that I step back, take a breath and try to be a
> little more methodical with the issues (my wording).   I think this was
> great advice.   I know when I have some big project at work, I don't let it
> overwhelm me because I take it one small step at a time.  In fact, I have
> always believed that was one of my gifts or skills.   But, apparently, I
> forgot about this method while I was caught up in the excitement of my car
> project.  So, I have come up with a tentative plan.  A few things have been
> done (sort of) and a few are in progress and a few won't happen until later
> (or not at all).  I'm open to advice or suggestions.
>
> Here is my plan so far:
>
> 1. Fix exhaust because it is hanging down and I need to fix it to be
> drivable.  (done — sort of. I replaced the donuts so it’s not hanging down)
>
> 2. Check for blow by with the loose oil cap test.  Doing it tonight.
>
> 3. Check boost line from back of intake.  I did this. It looked pretty
> good. although I could not blow it out because I couldn’t figure out how to
> release the connector where it went to the firewall with a bunch of other
> stuff.
>
> 4. Do a diesel purge — this is the easiest step and whether it addresses
> anything, it is certainly a beneficial preventative maintenance step.
> Replace fuel filters after purge. Although the primary looks clean but I
> know that can be deceiving.
>
> 5. Oil and Filter change
>
> 6.  Because the a/c, vent, defrost doesn’t work at all, I think the
> problem is in the CCU unit. Probably just needs resoldered. (I have checked
> and replaced the blower motor fuse). So, I will either get a rebuilt
> version or try to solder it myself.
>
> 7. Address vacuum line issues because it could be effecting a bunch of
> systems.  I don’t know if I will have the time (or patience) to do this
> myself or if I will have a shop do it.
>
> 8. Check glow plugs. Isn’t this just a matter of checking the resistance?
> The nuts look like the cleanest thing under the hood which makes me think
> they are fairly new. But, no way to know for sure.
>
> 9. Coolant flush (it has new radiator) with Zerex
>
> 10. Check tach amp as suggested and fix with paper because I quit smoking!
>
> 11. Possibly replace cluster with newer version?  But,  one of the
> reasons to do this is because oil pressure gauge is not working and the
> cluster might not be problem.  Replacing cluster would address broken
> odometer issue.
>
> 12.  At this point stop and evaluate if I want to keep going or decide to
> sell it. I have had others in the 123 Facebook group offer to buy it. They
> were the ones that missed out when I bought it.
>
> 13. Only if I decide to keep going will I address things like carpet, door
> pockets, rebuilding seats (they are not bad, they are not very supportive
> anymore), replacing wood veneers in the console a/C panel, replacing crappy
> Kenwood aftermarket radio, etc.  I think we all know the list of things
> that COULD be done is almost endless.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
> 1982 Mercedes 300D (200K+ miles)
> 2017 Toyota 4Runner (35K miles)
> 2006 Cadillac SRX (Her car -- I hate it)
>
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Re: [MBZ] I'm pretty sure I need this

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 03/10/2019 8:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

6x6 version last week.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-steyr-puch-712k/

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:14:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Which makes me wonder how they got them...
> -Curt

I was wondering the same thing ...


Craig


> On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 9:11:18 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote: 
>  Yeah, I recall that someone in Kalifornia or someplace like that had a
> vendor refuse to ship them, said they were classified as hazardous
> material.
> 
> Silly.

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Compressed gas cylinders can be shipped, but they're ORM-D material so you 
can't ship them on airplanes. No hazmat fees, just need to label the box on 3 
sides "ORM-D compressed gas", same as a can of pepper spray, refrigerant or a 
box of CO2 cartridges.

Loaded small arms ammunition is ORM-D cartridges. 
Loose gunpowder and primers are hazmat, UPS charges a hefty fee for that stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] I'm pretty sure I need this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

6x6 version last week.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-steyr-puch-712k/

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Which makes me wonder how they got them...
-Curt

On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 9:11:18 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yeah, I recall that someone in Kalifornia or someplace like that had a vendor 
refuse to ship them, said they were classified as hazardous material.

Silly.

-D


> On Oct 3, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I bought the rear accumulators for the 129 (which are still in the 
> boxes...sigh) some vendors said they wouldn't ship them. Not sure how they 
> could sell them.  I think I got them from FCP maybe, or one of the other euro 
> parts suppliers and they showed up on the front porch at some point.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/2/19 5:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’ve heard stories about some supplier refusing to ship them because they 
>> have pressurized gas in them. 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Buy em from FCP Euro. Lifetime guarantee.    Very much worth it for the 
>>> spheres.
>>> 
>>> Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote on 10/2/19 6:04 AM:
 Getting ready to order the nitrogen filled accumulators for my wagon.  
 Does anyone have experience and/or recommendations on the quality of 
 aftermarket accumulators?
 Tom Hansen quoted $232.00 per accumulator for OEM.  eBay has some 
 aftermarket listed for around $160.00 for a pair of them.
 Thanks,
 Mike
 
 Michael E. Esh
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Re: [MBZ] I'm pretty sure I need this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Think it'll sell?
Oh, no reserve, it'll sell thus time.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-styer-pinzgauer-710k/

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I recall that someone in Kalifornia or someplace like that had a vendor 
refuse to ship them, said they were classified as hazardous material.

Silly.

-D


> On Oct 3, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> When I bought the rear accumulators for the 129 (which are still in the 
> boxes...sigh) some vendors said they wouldn't ship them. Not sure how they 
> could sell them.  I think I got them from FCP maybe, or one of the other euro 
> parts suppliers and they showed up on the front porch at some point.
> 
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> On 10/2/19 5:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’ve heard stories about some supplier refusing to ship them because they 
>> have pressurized gas in them. 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Buy em from FCP Euro. Lifetime guarantee.Very much worth it for the 
>>> spheres.
>>> 
>>> Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote on 10/2/19 6:04 AM:
 Getting ready to order the nitrogen filled accumulators for my wagon.  
 Does anyone have experience and/or recommendations on the quality of 
 aftermarket accumulators?
 Tom Hansen quoted $232.00 per accumulator for OEM.   eBay has some 
 aftermarket listed for around $160.00 for a pair of them.
 Thanks,
 Mike
 
 Michael E. Esh
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Accumulators

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

When I bought the rear accumulators for the 129 (which are still in the 
boxes...sigh) some vendors said they wouldn't ship them. Not sure how 
they could sell them.  I think I got them from FCP maybe, or one of the 
other euro parts suppliers and they showed up on the front porch at some 
point.


--FT

On 10/2/19 5:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’ve heard stories about some supplier refusing to ship them because they have 
pressurized gas in them. 

-D



On Oct 2, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

Buy em from FCP Euro. Lifetime guarantee.Very much worth it for the spheres.

Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote on 10/2/19 6:04 AM:

Getting ready to order the nitrogen filled accumulators for my wagon.  Does 
anyone have experience and/or recommendations on the quality of aftermarket 
accumulators?
Tom Hansen quoted $232.00 per accumulator for OEM.   eBay has some aftermarket 
listed for around $160.00 for a pair of them.
Thanks,
Mike

Michael E. Esh

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[MBZ] I'm pretty sure I need this

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-styer-pinzgauer-710k-2

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