Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So which magazine will have the full story and the centerfold spread? I'll let 
you know next time I get out that way, I would love to see the car.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Thu Oct 31 20:53:07 EDT 2019 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
:
 
> I just put a rebuilt 500e subframe into the 87 wagon. Everything OE except
> the toe links, which are nla. New half shafts from cvj reman are over $400 
> plus
> shipping. Parts for the links and new control arms are way over 600. New
> fasteners, axle nuts, subframe mounts, lower ball joints for the carrier,
> plus a $120 tool to press them in and out, a subframe mount tool, and a
> diff mount bushing removal set. New socket for axle nuts. New female torx
> socket set for the diff flange bolts. New diff mount bolts and lock nuts.
> New sportline springs and spring pads are hundreds of dollars. Swaybar
> links. The original sls shocks were done - bad ball joints at the bottom
> and leaking; they were about 1300 for the parts alone. I had previously put
> rebuilt aluminum brembo 500e front and 300mm 600sl rear vented calipers,
> rotors, brake lines and r4 pads on, which was must have been $1000 in the
> end without labor, including new master cyl, brake fluid, brake bleeder,
> dual diaphragm booster, etc. No more than the rebuilt OE stuff, actually,
> in terms of price.
> I even got OE diff mounts from overseas as they are backordered for the v8
> cars. Rear wheel bearings had already been done thankfully, so I didnt have
> to buy that tool or tackle the job, but I would have if they had not been
> done. Necessary? For peace of mind, yes. What is that worth?
> 
> OE door seals for the car are over a grand alone.
> 
> Multifunction stalk switch. Ignition tumbler. Over 100 each oe, excluding
> labor.
> 
> New headlights (old plastic housing tabs had broken off), magnetti marelli,
> euro style, 450. No labor included.
> 
> New dash was $250 and a lot of labor, with all the hvac pods at hundreds of
> dollars, new climate control unit, evap, compressor, dryer, hoses.
> 
> Swapped a black leather interior in; 800 for the donor 95 wagon. Imagine
> paying that labor in DC or any other major city.
> 
> You can argue that none of it needed to be done, but when the subframe
> starts banging on the underside of the car taking off from stoplights, and
> the ball joints on the shocks are creaking, it is time. And after pulling
> the subframe out, there is no way I am putting it back with any old stuff
> on it. I am not driving a car with a cracked dash, creaky suspension or a
> subframe that provides automatic 4 wheel steering. The ignition tumbler has
> to work well, the brakes have to be brakey, and it should steer like new.
> 
> This doesnt include the 500sl junkyard diff and side bearings and seals,
> plus labor. I swapped a wavetrac lsd carrier in, which was over a grand for
> the part. I was quoted 2700 for that job alone from Leistung. That's why it
> happened on my bench. My old diff was spewing metal fragments into the
> fluid and had far too much play. It was also 185mm rather than 210.
> 
> Anyway for the 123 mentioned, the axle shafts, rebuilt steering box, and
> nla sls struts weren't mentioned. And the tranny sounded kind of hinky.
> 
> I am at a point where I sort of want things maintained like a certified
> aircraft. I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you
> want new car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. For the
> daily drivers, I pay someone to do it. For the hobby cars I tackle it as
> time allows.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 6:21 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Having done the 124 300D rear subframe piecemeal, several times, I have
>> to agree with Jaime. I did the rear of the 81 240D all at once. That
>> is a FAR superior way to do it. In the end, the last 2 times I did the
>> rear of 124s, I did it all at once. I won't do piecemeal anymore,
>> unless it is a short term emergency.
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 3:13 PM:
>> 
>>> Sure. If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair
>>> 
>> issues
>> 
>>> on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[MBZ] hmmmmm

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-mercedes-190e-cosworth-23-16v/7011125737.html

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Re: [MBZ] hmmmmm

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Probably worth that in parts.

-D

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-mercedes-190e-cosworth-23-16v/7011125737.html
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[MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/

1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
Conway, SC· about a day ago 
· 


$750

 * About This Vehicle
 *

 *
 o

 o Driven 193,272 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
 *
 o

 o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
 *
 o

 o Good condition
   

 *
   How This Price Compares
   Kelley Blue Book®
   
Private
   Party Value
 *

$750
LowHigh


   $900 – $2,351

Price range for similar Mercedes-Benz E-Class in good condition · How 
It's Calculated 


 * Typical Features
 *

 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *
   6-Cyl, 3.2 Liter
 *
   ABS
 *

Seller's Description

Selling this little project car, 1995 E320 WAGON You dont find these 
no where!!! Its a pretty clean vehicle inside and outside. Can’t get it 
to run, done messing with it. Selling the whole car or parting out!! 
Just send me a message Clean tittle in hand Less 



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[MBZ] The $600E320 looks better than this one

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Same trans issue but $600 more. Maybe offer $500?  A V8 would be fun.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/392750968269868/

2000 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 430 Sedan 4D
Savannah, GA· about a day ago 
· 


$1,200

 * About This Vehicle
 *

 *
 o

 o Driven 113,000 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Silver
 *
 o

 o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined

 * Typical Features
 *

 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *
   ABS
 *
   AM/FM Stereo
 *

Seller's Description

Runs and drives. V8 Low Miles 113000 The car doesn’t upshift after 40 
mph but engine is strong. New battery New serpentine belt and rotor. 
Leather Power seat Sunroof Keyless entry Power windows locks mirrors 
Heated seats


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Re: [MBZ] hmmmmm

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't know much about those cars other than they were quite desirable 
when new.  I wonder what made it a project and why he has let it sit.


Not my cuppa, but someone would probably want it, though I think he had 
listed a few months back too.


I'm thinking what this guy is doing -- 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZrY2cxjvQM&list=PLy5UV-uDczfRxTwJo3AEmV2dCk-PbJHHr&index=12


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On 11/1/19 10:20 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Probably worth that in parts.

-D


On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-mercedes-190e-cosworth-23-16v/7011125737.html

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Re: [MBZ] hmmmmm

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is a shame.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 9:17 AM:
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-mercedes-190e-cosworth-23-16v/7011125737.html 






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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life,  all you 
get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as 
long as the payments.    The Smoke WILL come out.  The only question 
is WHEN?



My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have 
electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He 
thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the 
vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear 
calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well 
lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I may have to check on that...

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Fri Nov 01 10:25:06 EDT 2019 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :
 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/
> 
> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
> Conway, SC· about a day ago 
> ·
>  
> 
> $750
> 
>  * About This Vehicle
>  *
> 
>  *
>  o
> 
>  o Driven 193,272 miles
>  *
>  o
> 
>  o Automatic transmission
>  *
>  o
> 
>  o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
>  *
>  o
> 
>  o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
>  *
>  o
> 
>  o Good condition
>  
> 
>  *
>  How This Price Compares
>  Kelley Blue Book®
>  
> Private
>  Party Value
>  *
> 
> $750
> LowHigh
> 
> 
>  $900 – $2,351
> 
> Price range for similar Mercedes-Benz E-Class in good condition · How 
> It's Calculated 
> 
>  * Typical Features
>  *
> 
>  *
>  Moon Roof
>  *
>  Alloy Wheels
>  *
>  6-Cyl, 3.2 Liter
>  *
>  ABS
>  *
> 
> Seller's Description
> 
> Selling this little project car, 1995 E320 WAGON You dont find these 
> no where!!! Its a pretty clean vehicle inside and outside. Can’t get it 
> to run, done messing with it. Selling the whole car or parting out!! 
> Just send me a message Clean tittle in hand Less 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've been sorta shopping for a new truck, the tin worm is getting into ours, 
and I noticed that lots of them have that now. Our 2010 RAM doesn't but the 
2015s do.
I'm also skeptical of them on the one hand but on the other hand you don't have 
a 10+ foot long cable to seize up...
-Curt

On Friday, November 1, 2019, 11:50:15 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life,  all you 
> get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as 
> long as the payments.    The Smoke WILL come out.  The only question 
> is WHEN?


My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have 
electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He 
thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the 
vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear 
calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well 
lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life,  all you
> > get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as
> > long as the payments.The Smoke WILL come out.  The only question
> > is WHEN?
>
>
> My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have
> electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He
> thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the
> vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear
> calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well
> lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Well, hopefully, if they become common, the cost will go down.

Randy

On 01/11/2019 10:58 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life,  all you
get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as
long as the payments.The Smoke WILL come out.  The only question
is WHEN?


My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have
electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He
thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the
vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear
calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well
lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

This is why most people just buy a new car and make the payments. They 
cannot or will not do the work themselves and cars have become better 
but much more complicated. Many parts, if they are available have become 
silly expensive.


Randy

On 31/10/2019 7:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

I just put a rebuilt 500e subframe into the 87 wagon. Everything OE except
the toe links, which are nla. New half shafts from cvj reman are over $400 plus
shipping. Parts for the links and new control arms are way over 600. New
fasteners, axle nuts, subframe mounts, lower ball joints for the carrier,
plus a $120 tool to press them in and out, a subframe mount tool, and a
diff mount bushing removal set. New socket for axle nuts. New female torx
socket set for the diff flange bolts. New diff mount bolts and lock nuts.
New sportline springs and spring pads are hundreds of dollars. Swaybar
links. The original sls shocks were done - bad ball joints at the bottom
and leaking; they were about 1300 for the parts alone. I had previously put
rebuilt aluminum brembo 500e front and 300mm 600sl rear vented calipers,
rotors, brake lines and r4 pads on, which was must have been $1000 in the
end without labor, including new master cyl, brake fluid, brake bleeder,
dual diaphragm booster, etc. No more than the rebuilt OE stuff, actually,
in terms of price.
I even got OE diff mounts from overseas as they are backordered for the v8
cars. Rear wheel bearings had already been done thankfully, so I didnt have
to buy that tool or tackle the job, but I would have if they had not been
done. Necessary? For peace of mind, yes. What is that worth?

OE door seals for the car are over a grand alone.

Multifunction stalk switch. Ignition tumbler. Over 100 each oe, excluding
labor.

New headlights (old plastic housing tabs had broken off), magnetti marelli,
euro style, 450.  No labor included.

New dash was $250 and a lot of labor, with all the hvac pods at hundreds of
dollars, new climate control unit, evap, compressor, dryer, hoses.

Swapped a black leather interior in; 800 for the donor 95 wagon. Imagine
paying that labor in DC or any other major city.

You can argue that none of it needed to be done, but when the subframe
starts banging on the underside of the car taking off from stoplights, and
the ball joints on the shocks are creaking, it is time. And after pulling
the subframe out, there is no way I am putting it back with any old stuff
on it. I am not driving a car with a cracked dash, creaky suspension or a
subframe that provides automatic 4 wheel steering. The ignition tumbler has
to work well, the brakes have to be brakey, and it should steer like new.

This doesnt include the 500sl junkyard diff and side bearings and seals,
plus labor. I swapped a wavetrac lsd carrier in, which was over a grand for
the part. I was quoted 2700 for that job alone from Leistung. That's why it
happened on my bench. My old diff was spewing metal fragments into the
fluid and had far too much play. It was also 185mm rather than 210.

Anyway for the 123 mentioned, the axle shafts, rebuilt steering box, and
nla sls struts weren't mentioned. And the tranny sounded kind of hinky.

I am at a point where I sort of want things maintained like a certified
aircraft. I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you
want new car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. For the
daily drivers, I pay someone to do it. For the hobby cars I tackle it as
time allows.






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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I was thinking of you on that one.  Offer him $500 cash, put the 
diesel drivetrain in and yer good


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On 11/1/19 11:51 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I may have to check on that...

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Fri Nov 01 10:25:06 EDT 2019 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :
  

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/

1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
Conway, SC· about a day ago
·

$750

  * About This Vehicle
  *

  *
  o

  o Driven 193,272 miles
  *
  o

  o Automatic transmission
  *
  o

  o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
  *
  o

  o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
  *
  o

  o Good condition
  

  *
  How This Price Compares
  Kelley Blue Book®
  
Private
  Party Value
  *

$750
LowHigh


  $900 – $2,351

Price range for similar Mercedes-Benz E-Class in good condition · How
It's Calculated 

  * Typical Features
  *

  *
  Moon Roof
  *
  Alloy Wheels
  *
  6-Cyl, 3.2 Liter
  *
  ABS
  *

Seller's Description

Selling this little project car, 1995 E320 WAGON You dont find these
no where!!! Its a pretty clean vehicle inside and outside. Can’t get it
to run, done messing with it. Selling the whole car or parting out!!
Just send me a message Clean tittle in hand Less


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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:58:58 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have
> > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He
> > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the
> > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear
> > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well
> > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.
>
> I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now.

So how does this feature work?

Are the parking brakes normally on with no electrical power (fail safe)
and then must be turned off by an electrical signal to a solenoid or some
such?

What happens when the electrical signal or power to the electric parking
brakes fails? Are the parking brakes slammed on immediately?

(Note: That is how the emergency/parking air brakes on heavy trucks
works. If the gladhand on the red air line comes off the trailer, the
trailer brakes are slammed on -- which is why you have seen a sudden
appearance of two pairs of black skid marks on the road and why it is
so important truckers make sure their gladhands do not come off.)

Having trailer brakes slammed on is bad enough, what happens when the
rear brakes of a car or truck are slammed on? Would you Joe-average-driver
be able to handle the situation?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I think its more like a servo motor that runs the piston in and out.  No
power = no movement.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 12:18 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:58:58 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have
> > > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He
> > > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the
> > > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear
> > > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well
> > > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.
> >
> > I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now.
>
> So how does this feature work?
>
> Are the parking brakes normally on with no electrical power (fail safe)
> and then must be turned off by an electrical signal to a solenoid or some
> such?
>
> What happens when the electrical signal or power to the electric parking
> brakes fails? Are the parking brakes slammed on immediately?
>
> (Note: That is how the emergency/parking air brakes on heavy trucks
> works. If the gladhand on the red air line comes off the trailer, the
> trailer brakes are slammed on -- which is why you have seen a sudden
> appearance of two pairs of black skid marks on the road and why it is
> so important truckers make sure their gladhands do not come off.)
>
> Having trailer brakes slammed on is bad enough, what happens when the
> rear brakes of a car or truck are slammed on? Would you Joe-average-driver
> be able to handle the situation?
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

While Toyota was an industry leader in hybrid vehicles in the 2000s with
the popular Prius, the company has lagged in developing fully electric
vehicles in recent years, focusing instead on churning out gas-guzzling
trucks, Hecht added.

Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal government.*

In particular, the automaker said it supports the administration's argument
that California is preempted from setting the tailpipe standards by the
1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which gives that power solely to
the Transportation Department.

"This statement is Toyota trying to do damage control and change the
narrative, when really they are siding with the White House on attacking
California and lowering emissions standards," Baker-Branstetter said.
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The electric parking brakes in our Subaru have no automatic function - if
you don't turn them on, they stay off, no matter what. If you turn them on,
you HAVE to release them before you can drive the car. No, shifting
into/out of gear makes no difference - they work just like manual brakes.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:58:58 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have
> > > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He
> > > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the
> > > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear
> > > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well
> > > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace.
> >
> > I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now.
>
> So how does this feature work?
>
> Are the parking brakes normally on with no electrical power (fail safe)
> and then must be turned off by an electrical signal to a solenoid or some
> such?
>
> What happens when the electrical signal or power to the electric parking
> brakes fails? Are the parking brakes slammed on immediately?
>
> (Note: That is how the emergency/parking air brakes on heavy trucks
> works. If the gladhand on the red air line comes off the trailer, the
> trailer brakes are slammed on -- which is why you have seen a sudden
> appearance of two pairs of black skid marks on the road and why it is
> so important truckers make sure their gladhands do not come off.)
>
> Having trailer brakes slammed on is bad enough, what happens when the
> rear brakes of a car or truck are slammed on? Would you Joe-average-driver
> be able to handle the situation?
>
>
> Craig
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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[MBZ] 2003 500 sedan in LA

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Just in case anyone wants one:

https://nextdoor.com/for_sale_and_free/24084ecd-c165-4a30-8f1c-5efa659e652c?init_source=copy_link_share
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[MBZ] tank patched

[MG via Mercedes]

Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet 
metal and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on the 
fuel line spigot but it doesn't leak any more.


Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.

MG
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[MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://tinyurl.com/y38vznw2

Sort of cool I guess, but I don't think I really want one

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Has anyone on this list ever actually done a drivetrain swap? I'm thinking
there is far too much common sense around here for that.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 9:14 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah I was thinking of you on that one.  Offer him $500 cash, put the
> diesel drivetrain in and yer good
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/1/19 11:51 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I may have to check on that...
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Fri Nov 01 10:25:06 EDT 2019 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/
> >>
> >> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
> >> Conway, SC· about a day ago
> >> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/?ref=product_details
> >·
> >>
> >> $750
> >>
> >>   * About This Vehicle
> >>   *
> >>
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Driven 193,272 miles
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Automatic transmission
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
> >>   *
> >>   o
> >>
> >>   o Good condition
> >>   
> >>
> >>   *
> >>   How This Price Compares
> >>   Kelley Blue Book®
> >>   <
> https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kbb.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1WvEniJP_93rhnBefGWmsVXliMZGFL8WSZt4dVUI_RODIz8s9n7GoL80I&h=AT1HPd9KfINGNaf3mRZXm5oJlKX7GQSeJnjnM9HKzFew3B9QTS6-Af34dh51o8Ytmg9UosvVlw48TMPzMXjqNIW7rETHF3kNKQvaVR2ETwnWvs-tJfxrEXUFri0e90c7SHjd2Gn9
> >Private
> >>   Party Value
> >>   *
> >>
> >> $750
> >> LowHigh
> >>
> >>
> >>   $900 – $2,351
> >>
> >> Price range for similar Mercedes-Benz E-Class in good condition · How
> >> It's Calculated <
> https://www.facebook.com/business/help/1545716818882941>
> >>
> >>   * Typical Features
> >>   *
> >>
> >>   *
> >>   Moon Roof
> >>   *
> >>   Alloy Wheels
> >>   *
> >>   6-Cyl, 3.2 Liter
> >>   *
> >>   ABS
> >>   *
> >>
> >> Seller's Description
> >>
> >> Selling this little project car, 1995 E320 WAGON You dont find these
> >> no where!!! Its a pretty clean vehicle inside and outside. Can’t get it
> >> to run, done messing with it. Selling the whole car or parting out!!
> >> Just send me a message Clean tittle in hand Less
> >> 
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/11/2019 3:33 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet 
metal and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on 
the fuel line spigot but it doesn't leak any more.


Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.

MG 



Looks good. Was this a diesel tank of gasoline? If the latter, what did 
you do to make it safe to braze it?


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Well, I once switched a 190D (W201) from automatic to manual transmission.
Fair amount of labor, that.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Wish it was 65 F here. We are currently at 0 C which would be 32 F and 
that is warmer than it has been. I bought another boat this week and my 
younger son and I are going to haul it out to the cottage tomorrow for 
winter storage under the carport.  I wish it were spring and we were 
going to put it in the lake and try it out.


Randy

On 01/11/2019 3:33 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet 
metal and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on 
the fuel line spigot but it doesn't leak any more.


Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.

MG




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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Brazing diesel tanks is not safe, either.  I've done it, and it sucks.
My secret was to stuff a hose from the exhaust pipe of the lawn mower
into the filler neck.  The fumes going into the tank wouldn't burn, but the
ones coming out the pinholes would light like little candles.  Scary.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Craig has.   240D 3.0

i did an engine swap in the C&H 200D into 200D 2.4

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 2:40 PM:

Has anyone on this list ever actually done a drivetrain swap? I'm thinking
there is far too much common sense around here for that.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 9:14 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yeah I was thinking of you on that one.  Offer him $500 cash, put the
diesel drivetrain in and yer good

--FT

On 11/1/19 11:51 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I may have to check on that...

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Fri Nov 01 10:25:06 EDT 2019 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/

1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
Conway, SC· about a day ago
<

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2545396142240589/?ref=product_details

·

$750

   * About This Vehicle
   *

   *
   o

   o Driven 193,272 miles
   *
   o

   o Automatic transmission
   *
   o

   o Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
   *
   o

   o 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
   *
   o

   o Good condition
   

   *
   How This Price Compares
   Kelley Blue Book®
   <

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kbb.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1WvEniJP_93rhnBefGWmsVXliMZGFL8WSZt4dVUI_RODIz8s9n7GoL80I&h=AT1HPd9KfINGNaf3mRZXm5oJlKX7GQSeJnjnM9HKzFew3B9QTS6-Af34dh51o8Ytmg9UosvVlw48TMPzMXjqNIW7rETHF3kNKQvaVR2ETwnWvs-tJfxrEXUFri0e90c7SHjd2Gn9

Private

   Party Value
   *

$750
LowHigh


   $900 – $2,351

Price range for similar Mercedes-Benz E-Class in good condition · How
It's Calculated <

https://www.facebook.com/business/help/1545716818882941>

   * Typical Features
   *

   *
   Moon Roof
   *
   Alloy Wheels
   *
   6-Cyl, 3.2 Liter
   *
   ABS
   *

Seller's Description

Selling this little project car, 1995 E320 WAGON You dont find these
no where!!! Its a pretty clean vehicle inside and outside. Can’t get it
to run, done messing with it. Selling the whole car or parting out!!
Just send me a message Clean tittle in hand Less


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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

NIce!   Strong work. Waytago! Wish it was 65 here.

MG via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 3:33 PM:
Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet 
metal and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on 
the fuel line spigot but it doesn't leak any more.


Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.

MG




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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh. I looked to see how could it was going to be for Halloween in my old digs 
of Port Washington, WI yesterday. 37F high, 21F low. B!

Nearly 90F here yesterday, but a cold front went through last night so it’s a 
comfy 85F and low humidity. Winter has arrived in Floriduh.

And nice patch job, Manfred.

-D


> On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wish it was 65 F here. We are currently at 0 C which would be 32 F and that 
> is warmer than it has been. I bought another boat this week and my younger 
> son and I are going to haul it out to the cottage tomorrow for winter storage 
> under the carport.  I wish it were spring and we were going to put it in the 
> lake and try it out.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 01/11/2019 3:33 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet metal 
>> and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on the fuel line 
>> spigot but it doesn't leak any more.
>> 
>> Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.
>> 
>> MG
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s one on the sales floor of my dealer in the”AMG corner” as I call it. 
Nice looking except the price.

-D

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://tinyurl.com/y38vznw2
> 
> Sort of cool I guess, but I don't think I really want one
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Interesting. Time for me to buy a Hilux.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> While Toyota was an industry leader in hybrid vehicles in the 2000s with
> the popular Prius, the company has lagged in developing fully electric
> vehicles in recent years, focusing instead on churning out gas-guzzling
> trucks, Hecht added.
> 
> Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
> administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
> centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
> greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal government.*
> 
> In particular, the automaker said it supports the administration's argument
> that California is preempted from setting the tailpipe standards by the
> 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which gives that power solely to
> the Transportation Department.
> 
> "This statement is Toyota trying to do damage control and change the
> narrative, when really they are siding with the White House on attacking
> California and lowering emissions standards," Baker-Branstetter said.
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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not quite!  To atone for your anti-Toyota hostility you need to buy/lease a
2020 Prius.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:48 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

> Interesting. Time for me to buy a Hilux.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > While Toyota was an industry leader in hybrid vehicles in the 2000s with
> > the popular Prius, the company has lagged in developing fully electric
> > vehicles in recent years, focusing instead on churning out gas-guzzling
> > trucks, Hecht added.
> >
> > Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
> > administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
> > centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
> > greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal government.*
> >
> > In particular, the automaker said it supports the administration's
> argument
> > that California is preempted from setting the tailpipe standards by the
> > 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which gives that power solely to
> > the Transportation Department.
> >
> > "This statement is Toyota trying to do damage control and change the
> > narrative, when really they are siding with the White House on attacking
> > California and lowering emissions standards," Baker-Branstetter said.
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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

DC area got another 1.5" of rain last night plus high winds and a power
outage on my street caused by a blown buried transformer buried in my front
yard.  It took several crews a couple hours to disconnect and retrieve the
old transformer and install an above ground box for easier access in case
of future needs.  The crew chief told me that these are a lot safer for the
crews - fire hazard is reduced.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:36 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Heh. I looked to see how could it was going to be for Halloween in my old
> digs of Port Washington, WI yesterday. 37F high, 21F low. B!
>
> Nearly 90F here yesterday, but a cold front went through last night so
> it’s a comfy 85F and low humidity. Winter has arrived in Floriduh.
>
> And nice patch job, Manfred.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wish it was 65 F here. We are currently at 0 C which would be 32 F and
> that is warmer than it has been. I bought another boat this week and my
> younger son and I are going to haul it out to the cottage tomorrow for
> winter storage under the carport.  I wish it were spring and we were going
> to put it in the lake and try it out.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > On 01/11/2019 3:33 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet
> metal and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on the
> fuel line spigot but it doesn't leak any more.
> >>
> >> Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.
> >>
> >> MG
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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

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On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:40:07 -0500
Randy Bennell via Mercedes  wrote:

> https://tinyurl.com/y38vznw2
> 
> Sort of cool I guess, but I don't think I really want one
> 
> Randy
> 
If the windows are as small as they seem, I don't want one either.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

No!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Not quite!  To atone for your anti-Toyota hostility you need to buy/lease a 
> 2020 Prius.
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:48 PM Dimitri Seretakis  
>> wrote:
>> Interesting. Time for me to buy a Hilux.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > While Toyota was an industry leader in hybrid vehicles in the 2000s with
>> > the popular Prius, the company has lagged in developing fully electric
>> > vehicles in recent years, focusing instead on churning out gas-guzzling
>> > trucks, Hecht added.
>> > 
>> > Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
>> > administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
>> > centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
>> > greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal government.*
>> > 
>> > In particular, the automaker said it supports the administration's argument
>> > that California is preempted from setting the tailpipe standards by the
>> > 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which gives that power solely to
>> > the Transportation Department.
>> > 
>> > "This statement is Toyota trying to do damage control and change the
>> > narrative, when really they are siding with the White House on attacking
>> > California and lowering emissions standards," Baker-Branstetter said.
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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I've seen a couple around here, I kinda like them.  They also have a 
4-door "coupe" version...


--FT

On 11/1/19 3:40 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/y38vznw2

Sort of cool I guess, but I don't think I really want one

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota? (Fixed it for you)

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/11/2019 3:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Not quite!  To atone for your anti-Toyota hostility you need to buy another 
diesel Mercedes.
  


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:48 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:


Interesting. Time for me to buy a Hilux.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

While Toyota was an industry leader in hybrid vehicles in the 2000s with
the popular Prius, the company has lagged in developing fully electric
vehicles in recent years, focusing instead on churning out gas-guzzling
trucks, Hecht added.

Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal government.*

In particular, the automaker said it supports the administration's

argument

that California is preempted from setting the tailpipe standards by the
1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which gives that power solely to
the Transportation Department.

"This statement is Toyota trying to do damage control and change the
narrative, when really they are siding with the White House on attacking
California and lowering emissions standards," Baker-Branstetter said.
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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its about 45-50F here, yesterday was 60F, a real warm spell.
Buster the dog and I have been trying to catch the ducks unawares. So far when 
it comes to hunting I'm a really good gardener.
-Curt

On Friday, November 1, 2019, 3:45:34 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Wish it was 65 F here. We are currently at 0 C which would be 32 F and 
that is warmer than it has been. I bought another boat this week and my 
younger son and I are going to haul it out to the cottage tomorrow for 
winter storage under the carport.  I wish it were spring and we were 
going to put it in the lake and try it out.

Randy

On 01/11/2019 3:33 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> Well I finally got around to fixing my fuel tank. Cut a piece of sheet 
> metal and put it on. It isn't as pretty a job as the factory did on 
> the fuel line spigot but it doesn't leak any more.
>
> Good day to work today 65 deg all day. It was glorious.
>
> MG
>


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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Is this new transformer literally in your front yard?
If so, time to seek a property tax reduction as your property value just 
tumbled.


Randy

On 01/11/2019 3:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

DC area got another 1.5" of rain last night plus high winds and a power
outage on my street caused by a blown buried transformer buried in my front
yard.  It took several crews a couple hours to disconnect and retrieve the
old transformer and install an above ground box for easier access in case
of future needs.  The crew chief told me that these are a lot safer for the
crews - fire hazard is reduced.




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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The green box is quite decorative, but I will give it a try anyway.  Will
you represent me before the County pro bono?

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is this new transformer literally in your front yard?
> If so, time to seek a property tax reduction as your property value just
> tumbled.
>
> Randy
>
> On 01/11/2019 3:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > DC area got another 1.5" of rain last night plus high winds and a power
> > outage on my street caused by a blown buried transformer buried in my
> front
> > yard.  It took several crews a couple hours to disconnect and retrieve
> the
> > old transformer and install an above ground box for easier access in case
> > of future needs.  The crew chief told me that these are a lot safer for
> the
> > crews - fire hazard is reduced.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Just kidding.  I know that to own a Prius would absolutely Destroy you.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

> No!!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> Not quite!  To atone for your anti-Toyota hostility you need to buy/lease
> a 2020 Prius.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:48 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting. Time for me to buy a Hilux.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > While Toyota was an industry leader in hybrid vehicles in the 2000s with
>> > the popular Prius, the company has lagged in developing fully electric
>> > vehicles in recent years, focusing instead on churning out gas-guzzling
>> > trucks, Hecht added.
>> >
>> > Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
>> > administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
>> > centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
>> > greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal
>> government.*
>> >
>> > In particular, the automaker said it supports the administration's
>> argument
>> > that California is preempted from setting the tailpipe standards by the
>> > 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which gives that power solely
>> to
>> > the Transportation Department.
>> >
>> > "This statement is Toyota trying to do damage control and change the
>> > narrative, when really they are siding with the White House on attacking
>> > California and lowering emissions standards," Baker-Branstetter said.
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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/11/2019 4:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Just kidding.  I know that to own a Prius would absolutely Destroy you.

I wouldn't mind one if they were BIGGER. They are way too small. I 
thought the same when I saw the first PT Cruiser. I had seen photos in a 
magazine before I saw them on the street and I was envisioning something 
the size of a Chevy Suburban. I was disappointed when I saw the real thing.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/11/2019 4:03 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:40:07 -0500
Randy Bennell via Mercedes  wrote:


https://tinyurl.com/y38vznw2

Sort of cool I guess, but I don't think I really want one

Randy


If the windows are as small as they seem, I don't want one either.
Gerry

I also suspect it would be low enough that it would be difficult to get 
in and out of for an old fat guy like me.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I have always thought that all fifty states, and for that matter, most 
civilized countries should have one set of emission and safety standards. The 
CARB (Commiefornia Air Resource Board) was the reason we couldn't get a lot of 
cool Mercedes diesels in this country that the rest of the world got. Oh, and 
buy a this. A Hilux is too hard to find. If you are going to make a statement, 
go big.

https://www.autoblog.com/buy/2019-Toyota-Tundra-SR_5.7L_V8__4x4_Double_Cab_Long_Bed_8_ft._box_164.6_in._WB/photos/

Rick

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

Interesting. Time for me to buy a Hilux.

Sent from my iPhone

> Toyota this week* filed a motion to intervene on behalf of the Trump
> administration in the case Environmental Defense Fund v. Chao, which
> centers on whether California should have the ability to set tougher
> greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars than the federal government.*
>

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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My son and I did that same swap also (190D (W201) from automatic to manual
transmission).
I did swap an MG 1600 four cylinder engine for an Olds 3500 (215 CID)
aluminum block V8 in my younger days - made a great driving car.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, I once switched a 190D (W201) from automatic to manual transmission.
> Fair amount of labor, that.
>
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

With one of those, you don't need windows on the sides and back - you just
stay in front of everyone else ...

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:04 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> If the windows are as small as they seem, I don't want one either.
> Gerry
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
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1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 19:06:41 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> With one of those, you don't need windows on the sides and back - you
> just stay in front of everyone else ...

Even the Highway Patrol officer?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I really like the current GM Small Gas Engine. (1.4L in 2016+ Cruze, 1.5L in 
2016+ Malibu, and some 3 cyl variants that I don't think are sold here) Light, 
efficient, and the turbo versions are over 100hp/liter.

If I were to do some drivetrain swaps, I'd do OM602 turbo in 2.3-16 chassis or 
I'd get a 1989-1994 Metro and stick the front subframe/suspension/drivetrain 
from a Cruze/Malibu in the back of it. 
I'd like a fun car, under 2000lb and without power steering. 
Mitch.

> On November 1, 2019 at 8:01 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My son and I did that same swap also (190D (W201) from automatic to manual
> transmission).
> I did swap an MG 1600 four cylinder engine for an Olds 3500 (215 CID)
> aluminum block V8 in my younger days - made a great driving car.

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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hopefully, though as we used to say as teenagers: "it's hard to out run a
full race radio".

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:57 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 19:06:41 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > With one of those, you don't need windows on the sides and back - you
> > just stay in front of everyone else ...
>
> Even the Highway Patrol officer?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 12:40:55 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Has anyone on this list ever actually done a drivetrain swap? I'm
> thinking there is far too much common sense around here for that.

I changed a 240D with an automatic transmission
   to a 300D (NA) with a manual transmission

when I was in grad school and the automatic transmission broke most
severely deep inside. I decided to change the vehicle instead of
spending $2500 on a rebuilt transmission.

I changed the differential, the half-shafts, the drive shaft, the
transmission, the flex plate to a flywheel with clutch, the engine,
the radiator, all four brake calipers, added a clutch pedal assembly
with master and slave cylinders, and probably other stuff I don't
remember at this moment.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:15:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Its about 45-50F here, yesterday was 60F, a real warm spell.

Today it started out at 10F, but got up to 65F with lots of sunshine.


> Buster the dog and I have been trying to catch the ducks unawares.
> So far when it comes to hunting I'm a really good gardener. -Curt

Thank you for the chuckle, Curt!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I was telling Angie tonight I've just about finished my first two boxes of 
steel shot 12ga shells. Last year I fired probably 25 shots and didn't hit 
anything. This year is a bit better, 20 or so shots and I've bagged one duck 
and two geese.
When you're as bad as I am a hit becomes a huge success.
When Angie and I first started dating and I taught her to shoot she was almost 
immediately better with a shotgun than I was. That was a huge bruise to my 20 
year old ego. Fortunately I'm much better with a pistol and especially a rifle 
than I am with a shotgun...
-Curt

On Friday, November 1, 2019, 9:11:08 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:15:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Its about 45-50F here, yesterday was 60F, a real warm spell.

Today it started out at 10F, but got up to 65F with lots of sunshine.


> Buster the dog and I have been trying to catch the ducks unawares.
> So far when it comes to hunting I'm a really good gardener. -Curt

Thank you for the chuckle, Curt!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, if we include brand X, in 1975 or so, I transplanted a frod 289 
into my 170 C. I. U100 (Rag top/doors) Bronco.   Not a bolt in project.  
required cutting, bending,fabricating, welding the body for clearance, 
relocation of the footfeed, flame wrench to cut off the motor mount 
horns from the frame, fabrication of new motor mounts, scrounging a left 
exh. manifold that would work , and fabricating a custom exhaust, as 
none of the V8 stock parts would fit in the 6 cyl body.   Yep, v8 got a 
different body!


Same summer and more or less simultaneously, did a transplant in a 
friend's 62 frod van.   Was supposed to be a simple engine transplant 
from a 66 frod hangover van.  when we found different bellhousings 
(different generations of frod drivetrains) we ended up transplanting 
the whole 66 driveline, which involved cutting and fabricating on the 
body also.  Quite a bit of flame wrench work.  When we got the engine 
and trans in, we found neither driveshaft would work.  At that point it 
was sinpler to cut out the rear ends and springs from both, and put the 
66 driveshaft and rear ind into the 62.   THe 65up differential was much 
more robust too.  the junky little falcon car spicer diff used 61-64 was 
notorious for failure.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 7:01 PM:

My son and I did that same swap also (190D (W201) from automatic to manual
transmission).
I did swap an MG 1600 four cylinder engine for an Olds 3500 (215 CID)
aluminum block V8 in my younger days - made a great driving car.





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Re: [MBZ] saw one of these in traffic on my way home yesterday

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

UNtil you get johnny law behind you, collecting green stamps for 
alleged  "speeding."


I'd guess that would be pretty much a cop magnet.

OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 7:06 PM:

With one of those, you don't need windows on the sides and back - you just
stay in front of everyone else ...





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Re: [MBZ] Subaru Airbag - was Clean 300TD on BAT

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In fairness, digital electronics systems aren't that easy to diagnose, 
especially without the special (dealer) test equipment.  Even with the test 
equipment, many pros end up swapping the wrong part$ (or so I hear).  There's 
no substitute for experience.  

The airbag light in my 08 Outback started coming on intermittently a year or so 
ago.  Not knowing how serious this was, I bought a iCarsoft unit (code reader). 
 The iCarsoft said the problem was the passenger airbag indicator: on-off LEDs 
integrated in the map light assembly.  Glad it wasn't a real problem like 
actual air bags, sensors, or the computers.  

Turns out this indicator fault is common problem and several folks on the 
legacygt.com site had already isolated and fixed it.  The fix was simple: 
reflow the solder on a specific cracked solder joints on the tiny circuit board 
that holds the LED lights.


> -Original Message-
> From:  Randy Bennell 
> 
> This is why most people just buy a new car and make the payments. They
> cannot or will not do the work themselves and cars have become better but
> much more complicated. Many parts, if they are available have become silly
> expensive.
> 
> Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Subaru Airbag - was Clean 300TD on BAT

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and joe sixpack doesn't have the slightest idea how to diagnose or fix, 
so he takes it to a stealer, who charges him thousands for swapping in 
parts that weren't needed until they put in a new cluster if that is 
where said board resides.    or $ to solve a problem that would 
cost the mfgr 2¢ to have done right in the first place, or cost the 
owner a quarter and some time.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 10:32 PM:

In fairness, digital electronics systems aren't that easy to diagnose, 
especially without the special (dealer) test equipment.  Even with the test 
equipment, many pros end up swapping the wrong part$ (or so I hear).  There's 
no substitute for experience.

The airbag light in my 08 Outback started coming on intermittently a year or so 
ago.  Not knowing how serious this was, I bought a iCarsoft unit (code reader). 
 The iCarsoft said the problem was the passenger airbag indicator: on-off LEDs 
integrated in the map light assembly.  Glad it wasn't a real problem like 
actual air bags, sensors, or the computers.

Turns out this indicator fault is common problem and several folks on the 
legacygt.com site had already isolated and fixed it.  The fix was simple: 
reflow the solder on a specific cracked solder joints on the tiny circuit board 
that holds the LED lights.




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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah, sounds very familiar. I spliced the diff end of the MG drive shaft onto
the GM shaft to connect the tranny to the MG rear end. I did swap out the
MGA 4.30:1 diff for an MGB 3.90:1 diff for a higher top end. Welded up the
exhaust from the heads to the tail pipe, etc. No room for the starter
solenoid without cutting the frame, so I built a lever mechanism to engage
the starter, and a push button to spin it. Lots of other hacks that I don't
remember right now - took a year to complete (working and going to school).
The MG u-joint at the diff was the weak link in the system. I think I
replaced it a good half dozen times. Also went through several water pumps
- they couldn't take the rapid change in RPM ---

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 9:59 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, if we include brand X, in 1975 or so, I transplanted a frod 289
> into my 170 C. I. U100 (Rag top/doors) Bronco.   Not a bolt in project.
> required cutting, bending,fabricating, welding the body for clearance,
> relocation of the footfeed, flame wrench to cut off the motor mount
> horns from the frame, fabrication of new motor mounts, scrounging a left
> exh. manifold that would work , and fabricating a custom exhaust, as
> none of the V8 stock parts would fit in the 6 cyl body.   Yep, v8 got a
> different body!
>
> Same summer and more or less simultaneously, did a transplant in a
> friend's 62 frod van.   Was supposed to be a simple engine transplant
> from a 66 frod hangover van.  when we found different bellhousings
> (different generations of frod drivetrains) we ended up transplanting
> the whole 66 driveline, which involved cutting and fabricating on the
> body also.  Quite a bit of flame wrench work.  When we got the engine
> and trans in, we found neither driveshaft would work.  At that point it
> was sinpler to cut out the rear ends and springs from both, and put the
> 66 driveshaft and rear ind into the 62.   THe 65up differential was much
> more robust too.  the junky little falcon car spicer diff used 61-64 was
> notorious for failure.
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Speaking of transplants:  I always contended a 114/115 rear subframe 
could be made to work in a 110/111 body.   I did end up with a 115 
junker 12 years ago, but was not able to deal with getting the rear 
subframe out.  Benefit, would be moving fmor a single (center) pivot 
rear axle (Think 60 VW Bug) to fully independent rear suspension we know 
and love on 123, 126, 116, 126, 107 etc, and newer.


since in the one track experience I had on the 200D, the rear axle 
buckled under and rear-steered the car sideways, I've been very careful 
about keeping the axle nearly straight and not corning too hard with a 
light load.   On the track we had to remove everything from the trunk, 
and that raised the rear of the car and make the rear axle halves slope 
down to the wheel.  THat set up the physics that made the outside wheel 
forced down and jacked up the rear of the car leading to the sideways on 
the track situation.   With my toolbox and the jack, spare tire and 
lugwrench in the trunk, the axle was more near straight, and the car 
will corner well.    The "Track safety" regulations (nothing in the 
trunk) led directly to creating an unsafe situation.   Fully independent 
rear suspension would eliminate the problem that led to being crossways 
in the track.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 11:15 PM:

Ah, sounds very familiar. I spliced the diff end of the MG drive shaft onto
the GM shaft to connect the tranny to the MG rear end. I did swap out the
MGA 4.30:1 diff for an MGB 3.90:1 diff for a higher top end. Welded up the
exhaust from the heads to the tail pipe, etc. No room for the starter
solenoid without cutting the frame, so I built a lever mechanism to engage
the starter, and a push button to spin it. Lots of other hacks that I don't
remember right now - took a year to complete (working and going to school).
The MG u-joint at the diff was the weak link in the system. I think I
replaced it a good half dozen times. Also went through several water pumps
- they couldn't take the rapid change in RPM ---

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 9:59 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well, if we include brand X, in 1975 or so, I transplanted a frod 289
into my 170 C. I. U100 (Rag top/doors) Bronco.   Not a bolt in project.
required cutting, bending,fabricating, welding the body for clearance,
relocation of the footfeed, flame wrench to cut off the motor mount
horns from the frame, fabrication of new motor mounts, scrounging a left
exh. manifold that would work , and fabricating a custom exhaust, as
none of the V8 stock parts would fit in the 6 cyl body.   Yep, v8 got a
different body!

Same summer and more or less simultaneously, did a transplant in a
friend's 62 frod van.   Was supposed to be a simple engine transplant
from a 66 frod hangover van.  when we found different bellhousings
(different generations of frod drivetrains) we ended up transplanting
the whole 66 driveline, which involved cutting and fabricating on the
body also.  Quite a bit of flame wrench work.  When we got the engine
and trans in, we found neither driveshaft would work.  At that point it
was sinpler to cut out the rear ends and springs from both, and put the
66 driveshaft and rear ind into the 62.   THe 65up differential was much
more robust too.  the junky little falcon car spicer diff used 61-64 was
notorious for failure.




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Re: [MBZ] You dont find these no where!!!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - I wonder what the rear suspension of the 300SL ws like? Surely it
wasn't a swing axle?

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Speaking of transplants:  I always contended a 114/115 rear subframe
> could be made to work in a 110/111 body.   I did end up with a 115
> junker 12 years ago, but was not able to deal with getting the rear
> subframe out.  Benefit, would be moving fmor a single (center) pivot
> rear axle (Think 60 VW Bug) to fully independent rear suspension we know
> and love on 123, 126, 116, 126, 107 etc, and newer.
>
> since in the one track experience I had on the 200D, the rear axle
> buckled under and rear-steered the car sideways, I've been very careful
> about keeping the axle nearly straight and not corning too hard with a
> light load.   On the track we had to remove everything from the trunk,
> and that raised the rear of the car and make the rear axle halves slope
> down to the wheel.  THat set up the physics that made the outside wheel
> forced down and jacked up the rear of the car leading to the sideways on
> the track situation.   With my toolbox and the jack, spare tire and
> lugwrench in the trunk, the axle was more near straight, and the car
> will corner well.The "Track safety" regulations (nothing in the
> trunk) led directly to creating an unsafe situation.   Fully independent
> rear suspension would eliminate the problem that led to being crossways
> in the track.
>
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] OT Anyone here ever been to the Wheels through Time museum in Maggie Valley NC?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The wheels through time museum is heavily oriented to Hardly Davidson, 
but still looks very interesting.   They are raffling off a 1936 Hardly 
61 Knucklehead.  It was HD;s first attempt and OHV engines.   My dad had 
one.  I have a copy of the picture where he won a hillclimb in 1941 on 
it, competing with the top names in the country.   I also have a poster 
for the hillclimb one of his old gang gave me at his funeral.  The 
Hardly was sold soon after, and those funds and his winnings went toward 
building a house for him and his new bride.    I've often wished he had 
kept the old Hardly.


We are thinking of being out that way this winter, so the museum is a 
possibility going out, or coming back.   Anywhere BUT on I-95!   Don't 
wanna fall in with the wacko new yawkers and joisie crowd heading to 
invade Flahduh.


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Re: [MBZ] tank patched

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

#1 boy (apprentice electrician) says those things scare the crap out of guys 
who work on them.  Massive 15 foot pole behind a shield and run away.  He sends 
me pix of scary electric panels and scorch marks nearby in the shape of work 
boots


clay

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The green box is quite decorative, but I will give it a try anyway.  Will
> you represent me before the County pro bono?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is this new transformer literally in your front yard?
>> If so, time to seek a property tax reduction as your property value just
>> tumbled.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> On 01/11/2019 3:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> DC area got another 1.5" of rain last night plus high winds and a power
>>> outage on my street caused by a blown buried transformer buried in my
>> front
>>> yard.  It took several crews a couple hours to disconnect and retrieve
>> the
>>> old transformer and install an above ground box for easier access in case
>>> of future needs.  The crew chief told me that these are a lot safer for
>> the
>>> crews - fire hazard is reduced.


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Re: [MBZ] Still hate Toyota?

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Costco is selling the plug in boxes for the house for a plug in car

clay

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just kidding.  I know that to own a Prius would absolutely Destroy you.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
> 
>> No!!!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone


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