Re: [MBZ] OT: The last Learjet has been delivered
Bill Lear had an odd sensayuma. He named his daughter Shanda, frixample... -MMM- On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Another iconic brand is now officially history > > https://www.flyingmag.com/the-learjet-era-ends-with-a-final-delivery/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking
Filled up at Costco today premium $4.40. Down 30cents since last fillup --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I see on the news oil prices are spiking which is causing gas prices to > spike. I guess oil dropped but I sure as hell never saw gas prices drop. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking
87 dropped under $4/gallon here. I got it for 3.89 last week. Diesel hasn't changed much, I just paid nearly $50 for 10 gallons today. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I see on the news oil prices are spiking which is causing gas prices to > spike. I guess oil dropped but I sure as hell never saw gas prices > drop. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I wonder what the problem is?
Cheap gas ⛽️ --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/685775439339501/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gas prices spiking
I see on the news oil prices are spiking which is causing gas prices to spike. I guess oil dropped but I sure as hell never saw gas prices drop. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh boy
Well it’s a colorful build --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/312357788967512/permalink/1813937355476207/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] G05
On 2022-04-18 22:52, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 10:37 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: The local oil change shop used to refill my G05 jugs from their bulk barrels for $10. They actually had that and didn't just put green stuff in everything? Yes. The Outshiner Car Wash and Quick Lube here in Charlotte. What surprised me was they stocked it in 55gal drums. But that $10 price was about 15 years ago, I doubt the present day manager would match that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] G05
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 10:37 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > The local oil change shop used to refill my G05 jugs from their bulk > barrels for $10. They actually had that and didn't just put green stuff in everything? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I wonder what the problem is?
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Right up there with Bloodbath and Beyond. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 6:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Nope. > > There used to be a great website with that domain name that was a > fantastic parody of the place, but it’s been gone for a long time. I’m > sure the “real” one shut it down. > > -D > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I love you typed, “Home Despot”. I thought that was a me thing. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have a Kenmore fridge, top french doors, bottom freezer. THe ice maker >>> died and was replaced twice under warranty. THe next time it "died", the >>> warranty was expired, so I messed with it and figured out that the switch >>> that keeps it from dumping when you open the bottom door - with a bit of >>> jiggling things it was working again. Hasn't been a problem since (looking >>> for wood) - 8 years now. >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came a fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. Duh, a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one worked awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not broken but on strike for some reason. It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 years I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid shipping for a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one which would have been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on these things has doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the thin aluminum condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. Outside these are really nice machines but the cooling systems are total cheepcheep chinesium. I talked to the vendor about them and they were very noncommittal, I guess if they can keep selling replacements no worries to them. I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple don’t use it anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >>> Wernher >>> Von Braun >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oh boy
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Re: [MBZ] G05
On 2022-04-18 22:29, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yes. Not sure what the difference is except for the color. The local oil change shop used to refill my G05 jugs from their bulk barrels for $10. Probably more like $15 these days. I should ask them about the G48. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] G05
Yes. Not sure what the difference is except for the color. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:57 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2022-04-18 20:28, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> I used to buy G05 from zoro for about $12-13 a falling. I see it’s now >> $19. Wow. Not much more I can just get the G48. > > Is G48 the blue stuff? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] G05
On 2022-04-18 20:28, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I used to buy G05 from zoro for about $12-13 a falling. I see it’s now $19. Wow. Not much more I can just get the G48. Is G48 the blue stuff? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2005 S430 - 148k miles - $7,900
Lowish miles, looks nice, but nowhere near the ask --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > You can purchase this vehicle for fraction of the price and have heads > turned when driving. > > https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/elk-grove-village-2005-mercedes-s430/7472853458.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] G05
I used to buy G05 from zoro for about $12-13 a falling. I see it’s now $19. Wow. Not much more I can just get the G48. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I wonder if I could find a use for this around Okie acres?
You could build an air cannon and send your old cars into orbit --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/685507379422809/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I wonder if I could find a use for this around Okie acres?
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
It’s like a SaaS model for cars Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things >> after the fact. > > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for > software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car. > > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > Klaus Schwab > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
A month ago, we bought a new minivan, a 2022 Toyota Sienna. It has many subscription based features. There’s a handy Toyota app that allows you to stop and start your engine, lock and unlock the doors and a few other things. It’s free for the first year, but $9.00 per month after that. That van has the most uncomfortable seats. It does get 35mpg combined since it’s a hybrid. After three weeks, this wasn’t enough to offset the discomfort, so it found its way to a new owner, paid off the loan, and the 2008 Odyssey with over 164K miles is going to stay around. The current generation Odyssey vans have a host of recalls and issues, so we decided to get our deposit back and put some money into the 2008. It needs some new rubber seals/weatherstrip to fix some water leaks, it has some front suspension clunks, and it’s going to need engine/transmission mounts soon. Compared to the new vans, it’s easier to get into, more comfortable, has better air conditioning, and, best of all, NO CAR PAYMENT! Kevin in Lexington, NC Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things >> after the fact. > > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for > software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car. > > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > Klaus Schwab > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Nope. There used to be a great website with that domain name that was a fantastic parody of the place, but it’s been gone for a long time. I’m sure the “real” one shut it down. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I love you typed, “Home Despot”. I thought that was a me thing. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> We have a Kenmore fridge, top french doors, bottom freezer. THe ice maker >> died and was replaced twice under warranty. THe next time it "died", the >> warranty was expired, so I messed with it and figured out that the switch >> that keeps it from dumping when you open the bottom door - with a bit of >> jiggling things it was working again. Hasn't been a problem since (looking >> for wood) - 8 years now. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was >>> still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came >>> a fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. >>> Duh, a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one >>> worked awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not >>> broken but on strike for some reason. >>> >>> It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep >>> forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. >>> >>> The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and >>> freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. >>> >>> I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 >>> years I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid >>> shipping for a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one >>> which would have been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on >>> these things has doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the >>> thin aluminum condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. >>> Outside these are really nice machines but the cooling systems are total >>> cheepcheep chinesium. I talked to the vendor about them and they were very >>> noncommittal, I guess if they can keep selling replacements no worries to >>> them. >>> >>> I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iFōn >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice >>> maker for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and >>> simple don’t use it anymore. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> Von Braun >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I love you typed, “Home Despot”. I thought that was a me thing. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > We have a Kenmore fridge, top french doors, bottom freezer. THe ice maker > died and was replaced twice under warranty. THe next time it "died", the > warranty was expired, so I messed with it and figured out that the switch > that keeps it from dumping when you open the bottom door - with a bit of > jiggling things it was working again. Hasn't been a problem since (looking > for wood) - 8 years now. > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was >> still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came >> a fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. >> Duh, a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one >> worked awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not >> broken but on strike for some reason. >> >> It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep >> forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. >> >> The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and >> freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. >> >> I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 >> years I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid >> shipping for a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one >> which would have been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on >> these things has doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the >> thin aluminum condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. >> Outside these are really nice machines but the cooling systems are total >> cheepcheep chinesium. I talked to the vendor about them and they were very >> noncommittal, I guess if they can keep selling replacements no worries to >> them. >> >> I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice >> maker for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and >> simple don’t use it anymore. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
SWMBO is always right you know! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > You just made someone very happy. SWMBO insists on rinsing. > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis >> wrote: >> If you want clogged hoses and filters then scrape. They tell you not to >> rinse because they want you to think you are saving water and getting a more >> user friendly experience. They claim that the detergent clings better to >> food particles. I call BS as does my repairman. I’ve spent hundreds of >> dollars repairing modern dishwashers damaged by not pre-rinsing dishes. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > Bosch manual says "scrape dishes DO NOT RINSE before loading." >> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:33 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid >> >> used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today >> >> they >> >> are just a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to be >> >> known for dependability. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as >> >>> are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of >> >>> course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs >> >>> ago. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door >> >> fridge >> and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, >> then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we >> replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at >> all. >> >> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >> > leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >> > applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the >> >> car >> > be any different? >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> >>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >> >> things after the fact. >> >> >> >> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >> >> >> >> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not >> >> only >> >> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options >> >> on >> >> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >> >> . >> >> >> >> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >> >> Klaus Schwab >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > OK Don >> > >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> > >> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> > Wernher >> > Von Braun >> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.co
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
You just made someone very happy. SWMBO insists on rinsing. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > If you want clogged hoses and filters then scrape. They tell you not to > rinse because they want you to think you are saving water and getting a > more user friendly experience. They claim that the detergent clings better > to food particles. I call BS as does my repairman. I’ve spent hundreds of > dollars repairing modern dishwashers damaged by not pre-rinsing dishes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Bosch manual says "scrape dishes DO NOT RINSE before loading." > > > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:33 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. > KitchenAid > >> used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today > they > >> are just a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to > be > >> known for dependability. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as > >>> are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of > >>> course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs > >>> ago. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door > >> fridge > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired > once, > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble > at > all. > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > > The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented > or > > leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > > applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the > >> car > > be any different? > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > >> things after the fact. > >> > >> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > >> > >> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not > >> only > >> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options > >> on > >> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > >> . > >> > >> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > >> Klaus Schwab > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time > to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://ww
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
If you want clogged hoses and filters then scrape. They tell you not to rinse because they want you to think you are saving water and getting a more user friendly experience. They claim that the detergent clings better to food particles. I call BS as does my repairman. I’ve spent hundreds of dollars repairing modern dishwashers damaged by not pre-rinsing dishes. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Bosch manual says "scrape dishes DO NOT RINSE before loading." > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:33 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid >> used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today they >> are just a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to be >> known for dependability. >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as >>> are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of >>> course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs >>> ago. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door >> fridge and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at all. > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or > leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the >> car > be any different? > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >> things after the fact. >> >> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >> >> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not >> only >> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options >> on >> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >> >> >> > >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >> . >> >> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >> Klaus Schwab >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/ma
Re: [MBZ] 2003 E320 - 256k miles - $6,200
Stupid ask. $4k would be a reach for the miles even if well maintained. My wagon with 239k now was $2200 2yr ago, I could see it maybe being worth more now given the market but not 6200 or even $5k but who knows --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Car looks nice but miles seem high for the asking price? > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballwin-2003-mercedes-e320/7472571375.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Yeah, we got burned on Maytag in the last Florida house. Bought a range/over and a fridge. The fridge was OK, the dishwasher a POS, but the range/oven, which we still have, has been wonky for a number of years and no one seems to know how to fix it. We know the work-aound, and we like it otherwise, so it’s still serving us. It’s a range that has a double oven - small one on top, big one below. Th big one is a convection oven. If you turn on the lower (convection) oven and change the temperature setting after it preheats, it goes into “preheat” mode and the temperature falls and never gets to the setpoint. You can turn it off and reset it and it works. There’s a hard reset for the controls that was suggested but it does nothing to resolve the issue. They sent tech out multiple times but absolutely refused to replace the controls under warranty, saying he couldn’t recreate the issue (but he did, twice.) They offered us a $300 credit for a $1200 oven. Nope. I made sure we posted everywhere we could in the way of appliance repair forums about our issue. Of course we heard similar stories. So much for the ”Maytag Man”. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid > used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today they > are just a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to be > known for dependability. > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as >> are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of >> course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs >> ago. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge >>> and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, >>> then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we >>> replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at >>> all. >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car be any different? On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > things after the fact. > > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only > for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > > > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > . > > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > Klaus Schwab > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http:
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Bosch manual says "scrape dishes DO NOT RINSE before loading." On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:33 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid > used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today they > are just a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to be > known for dependability. > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > > Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as > > are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of > > course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs > > ago. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door > fridge > >> and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, > >> then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we > >> replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at > >> all. > >> > >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or > >>> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > >>> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the > car > >>> be any different? > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > things after the fact. > > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not > only > for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options > on > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > > > > >>> > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > . > > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > Klaus Schwab > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> OK Don > >>> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >>> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > >>> Wernher > >>> Von Braun > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: The last Learjet has been delivered
Another iconic brand is now officially history https://www.flyingmag.com/the-learjet-era-ends-with-a-final-delivery/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today they are just a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to be known for dependability. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as > are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of > course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs > ago. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge >> and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, >> then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we >> replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at >> all. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >>> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >>> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >>> be any different? >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things after the fact. You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >>> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car . "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." Klaus Schwab Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >>> Wernher >>> Von Braun >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I meant rinse off dishes prior to placing in dishwasher, not pre-washing. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > Don’t be fooled. I deal with many dishwashers failing and getting repaired > by a repair man. They say to pre-wash dishes regardless of what any > manufacturer says. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >>> wrote: >>> >> >> Eh, the original DWs required you to scrupulously clean each dish before >> loading. no thanks. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dimitri Seretakis >>> wrote: >>> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as are >>> Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of course >>> these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs ago. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge >>> > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, >>> > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we >>> > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at >>> > all. >>> > >>> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes >>> >> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >>> >> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >>> >> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >>> >> be any different? >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >>> >>> things after the fact. >>> >>> >>> >>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only >>> >>> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on >>> >>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >>> >>> Klaus Schwab >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> OK Don >>> >> >>> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >> >>> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >>> >> Wernher >>> >> Von Braun >>> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> >> ___ >>> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >> >>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >> >>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> > ___ >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> > >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Don’t be fooled. I deal with many dishwashers failing and getting repaired by a repair man. They say to pre-wash dishes regardless of what any manufacturer says. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > Eh, the original DWs required you to scrupulously clean each dish before > loading. no thanks. > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dimitri Seretakis >> wrote: >> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as are >> Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of course >> these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs ago. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge >> > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, >> > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we >> > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at >> > all. >> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >> >> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >> >> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >> >> be any different? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >> >>> things after the fact. >> >>> >> >>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >> >>> >> >>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only >> >>> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on >> >>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >> >>> . >> >>> >> >>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >> >>> Klaus Schwab >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Rick >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> OK Don >> >> >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> >> Wernher >> >> Von Braun >> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
My own house also has a kitchen aid side by side fridge which is 15 years old. Also no problems. I have a rental property with a Fischer and Paykel fridge also 15 years old and rock solid. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at > all. > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >> be any different? >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >>> things after the fact. >>> >>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >>> >>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only >>> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on >>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >>> >>> >>> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >>> . >>> >>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >>> Klaus Schwab >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> Von Braun >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Yup. Clean mine weekly. At the Flagstaff house the previous owners spared no expense for appliances. Everything there is pretty high end stuff - not Wolf or like that, but the high end GE stuff, for example. The dishwasher is a Kitchenaid, I think, and not long after we bought the place the youngster pointed out that the little lever that holds the detergent dispenser closed doesn’t latch. That is, you have to move it to latch the lid over the dispenser, and then it’s happy. Not sure why this is, but we live with it. The soap dispenser assembly is available but it’s about $100 but before I drop $100 on a dishwasher of indeterminate age I’ll go down to Home Despot and buy a Bosch to replace it. That being said, the Bosch in the Florida house that’s about two years old has a couple of spots on the lower rack where the coating has come off. Hmm. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > The Bosch DW requires you to clean the food screen manually but is so well > designed that it takes only 30 seconds to a minute to do, maybe twice > monthly. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Right, that’s why I’m not buying a car that needs software to run. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >>> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >>> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >>> be any different? >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things after the fact. You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car . "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." Klaus Schwab Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >>> Von Braun >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Eh, the original DWs required you to scrupulously clean each dish before loading. no thanks. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as are > Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of course > these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs ago. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge > > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, > > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we > > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at > > all. > > > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or > >> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > >> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the > car > >> be any different? > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > >>> things after the fact. > >>> > >>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > >>> > >>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only > >>> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > >>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > >>> . > >>> > >>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > >>> Klaus Schwab > >>> > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> OK Don > >> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > >> Wernher > >> Von Braun > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as are Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of course these are probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs ago. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at > all. > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >> be any different? >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >>> things after the fact. >>> >>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >>> >>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only >>> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on >>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >>> >>> >>> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >>> . >>> >>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >>> Klaus Schwab >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> Von Braun >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2003 E320 - 256k miles - $6,200
Realistically, even with regular maintenance, how many more miles can you expect to drive before a major engine overhaul is needed? On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:04 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Car looks nice but miles seem high for the asking price? > > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballwin-2003-mercedes-e320/7472571375.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
The Bosch DW requires you to clean the food screen manually but is so well designed that it takes only 30 seconds to a minute to do, maybe twice monthly. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Right, that’s why I’m not buying a car that needs software to run. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or > > leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > > applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car > > be any different? > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > >> things after the fact. > >> > >> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > >> > >> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only > >> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > >> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > >> > >> > >> > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > >> . > >> > >> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > >> Klaus Schwab > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Three projects for $15000
That could be an excellent deal --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > All must be towed.needs my place to rented. > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairview-heights-high-class-mercedes/7472842256.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Right, that’s why I’m not buying a car that needs software to run. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or > leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car > be any different? > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >> things after the fact. >> >> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >> >> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only >> for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on >> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >> >> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >> . >> >> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >> Klaus Schwab >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I have a KitchenAid dishwasher. It tends to accumuate debris in the drain. There is a rotating blade there that is supposed to chop up food waste, but if a little chip of a plate or cup or bit of bone gets in there it will make a terrible noise. I need to clean mine out every year or two. Allan On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge > and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, > then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we > replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at > all. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or >> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed >> applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car >> be any different? >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change >> > things after the fact. >> > >> > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. >> > >> > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only >> > for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on >> > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. >> > >> > >> > >> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car >> > . >> > >> > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." >> > Klaus Schwab >> > >> > >> > Rick >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> Von Braun >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2003 E320 - 256k miles - $6,200
Car looks nice but miles seem high for the asking price? https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballwin-2003-mercedes-e320/7472571375.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once, then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at all. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or > leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed > applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car > be any different? > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > > things after the fact. > > > > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > > > > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only > > for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > > > > > > > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > > . > > > > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > > Klaus Schwab > > > > > > Rick > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2002 C230 Wagon - 204k miles - $3,200
Some spots of body surface rust. Minimal at best. https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/monroe-2002-c320-wagon/7472638465.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2005 S430 - 148k miles - $7,900
You can purchase this vehicle for fraction of the price and have heads turned when driving. https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/elk-grove-village-2005-mercedes-s430/7472853458.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Three projects for $15000
Repos? On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > All must be towed.needs my place to rented. > > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairview-heights-high-class-mercedes/7472842256.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Three projects for $15000
All must be towed.needs my place to rented. https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairview-heights-high-class-mercedes/7472842256.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car be any different? On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change > things after the fact. > > You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. > > Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only > for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on > automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. > > > https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car > . > > "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." > Klaus Schwab > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
They are still in the infancy stage - take another look in 20 years or so. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:57 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Seems like a silly system, I see wanting to write but the base > configuration should be on non-volitile storage with the drive relatively > easy and inexpensive to replace... > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: IIRC they were doing a lot of writing of > data to solid-state storage and wearing it out. Yes, like a spinning hard > drive, solid-state drives can wear out. They will take a limited number of > writes before they start throwing errors. You get what you pay for here > too, like most things. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 1:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > Had some dealers tell me that but otherwise no. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> > >> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big > recall for screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the > thing. > >> > >> Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long > people keep cars... > >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things > after the fact. You are becoming a Luddite, Dan. Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year. https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car. "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." Klaus Schwab Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
We have a Kenmore fridge, top french doors, bottom freezer. THe ice maker died and was replaced twice under warranty. THe next time it "died", the warranty was expired, so I messed with it and figured out that the switch that keeps it from dumping when you open the bottom door - with a bit of jiggling things it was working again. Hasn't been a problem since (looking for wood) - 8 years now. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was > still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came > a fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. > Duh, a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one > worked awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not > broken but on strike for some reason. > > It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep > forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. > > The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and > freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. > > I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 > years I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid > shipping for a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one > which would have been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on > these things has doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the > thin aluminum condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. > Outside these are really nice machines but the cooling systems are total > cheepcheep chinesium. I talked to the vendor about them and they were very > noncommittal, I guess if they can keep selling replacements no worries to > them. > > I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice > maker for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and > simple don’t use it anymore. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start
You need a backup Mercedes for times such as this. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Have somebody hold the key on while you whack the starter/solenoid with a > hammer/mallet. > > -Curt > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:29:10 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Got it started, dragged it up to the top of a slope with tow chain and > rolled it down and popped the clutch. It didn't start the first try, though > I thought it should have, ignition was on and there was fuel in the tank. > On the second try, I blipped the key into the "start" position and it fired > right up. Perhaps the computer is being too clever to let it start without > "start" engaged? Never heard of that. > > Anyhow, it runs fine. Got it home, shut down, tried to start it about 10 > minutes later and nothing. Not even a click. Had to run back to work so > will try to check voltages tonight but my hunch is it's not the battery but > the starter or solenoid. > > I had a quick look under the car, starter looks easy enough to get at, two > big bolts holding it to the bellhousing. I was going to hit it with PB > Blaster but it's already quite oily and there is a good bit of oil > everywhere on the lower rear of the engine and oil pan. Leaking rear main > seal? Grrr. Never just one problem. > > > Allan > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Seems like a silly system, I see wanting to write but the base configuration should be on non-volitile storage with the drive relatively easy and inexpensive to replace... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: IIRC they were doing a lot of writing of data to solid-state storage and wearing it out. Yes, like a spinning hard drive, solid-state drives can wear out. They will take a limited number of writes before they start throwing errors. You get what you pay for here too, like most things. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 1:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Had some dealers tell me that but otherwise no. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for >> screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. >> >> Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long >> people keep cars... >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
IIRC they were doing a lot of writing of data to solid-state storage and wearing it out. Yes, like a spinning hard drive, solid-state drives can wear out. They will take a limited number of writes before they start throwing errors. You get what you pay for here too, like most things. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 1:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Had some dealers tell me that but otherwise no. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for >> screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. >> >> Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long >> people keep cars... >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb striped tensioner threads
M18x1.5 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes > wrote: > > What is the thread size for the tensioner bolt? > I may have the timesert kit that I could lend to you. > > > > From: Mercedes on behalf of > mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 1:24 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 197, Issue 92 > > Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to >mercedes@okiebenz.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. OT Frontier no start (Allan Streib) > 2. Re: OT Frontier no start (Rick Knoble) > 3. 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? (Kaleb Striplin) > 4. Re: 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? (G Mann) > 5. Re: OT Frontier no start (Buggered Benzmail) > 6. Re: OT Frontier no start (Allan Streib) > 7. Re: OT Frontier no start (G Mann) > 8. Re: OT Frontier no start (Jim Cathey) > 9. Re: OT Frontier no start (Allan Streib) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:57:05 -0400 > From: "Allan Streib" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start > Message-ID: <6e1afb7c-2388-43c8-8d05-64c5f9423...@www.fastmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Suddenly today Nissan Frontier will not start. Starter turns very slowly or > not at all. Acting like low battery but jump start does not change anything. > Also headlights are bright, windows open normally, etc so that indicates > battery is good. I don't have a battery tester but battery is only a few > years old. > > It's a manual so tried to roll start it but didn't really have enough of a > hill to get much speed. It didn't work. Do you normally use 2nd or 3rd gear > for that? > > Of course it's not at home. Will try to start it tomorrow pulling with a tow > chain, and bring a voltmeter so i can at least see what battery voltage is. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:09:32 + > From: Rick Knoble > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Traditionally second gear. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: April 17, 2022 5:58 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm > Subject: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start > > Suddenly today Nissan Frontier will not start. Starter turns very slowly or > not at all. Acting like low battery but jump start does not change anything. > Also headlights are bright, windows open normally, etc so that indicates > battery is good. I don't have a battery tester but battery is only a few > years old. > > It's a manual so tried to roll start it but didn't really have enough of a > hill to get much speed. It didn't work. Do you normally use 2nd or 3rd gear > for that? > > Of course it's not at home. Will try to start it tomorrow pulling with a tow > chain, and bring a voltmeter so i can at least see what battery voltage is. > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:12:14 -0500 > From: Kaleb Striplin > To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes , >davesl...@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Getting ready to get this stripped belt tensioner bolt fixed on the 99 > 606 of my fathers.? My current plan is to repair it with the cover in > place with a time sert.? These things are expense and the kit for this > is $258.? Of course that includes 5 inserts. I am planning on having the > possibly remove the radiator and condenser. Doing that the timing chain > is right behind the hole so would have to mark the depth on the drill > bit so I know how far I can go. > > Pricing a new cover, its around $193 for a new cover from various MB > parts dealers online.? Should I attempt to repair the threads or just > bite the bullet and start pulling the front of the engine apart?? I > assume water pump, vacuum pump, pulley, alternator bracket, ps pump and > bracket, crank pulley?? What else would
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Had some dealers tell me that but otherwise no. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for > screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. > > Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long > people keep cars... > > -Curt > > > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a certain > amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software thing but the > whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new iPhones. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is >> no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most >> 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are >> willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an >> obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is >> one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. >> Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old >> computer or a 3 year old iPhone? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Off topic? >>> On topic? >>> >>> He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep >>> a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying >>> another car every five or ten years? >>> >>> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 >>> >>> It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. >>> >>> Planned obsolescence isn't green. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I think the difference between the two was about $100. The lesser one had a lot of negative reviews, too. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > My general opinion is to get the best/most expensive or the absolute > cheapest. With the later at least you're not out a ton of money... > > > > -Curt > > On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:35:45 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > I just bought a Chinese beverage cooler to take the place of a trash > compactor at the Flagstaff house. It was that or a generic base cabinet I > likely wouldn’t have been able to match the rest. > > Because the space is only 15” I had a heck of a time finding something that > would fit and wasn’t a small fortune. Home Despot had a couple, the one which > I chose was the more expensive of the two but had over five years of reviews, > all of which were good. So I rolled the dice. > > -D > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was >> still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came >> a fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. >> Duh, a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one >> worked awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not >> broken but on strike for some reason. >> >> It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep >> forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. >> >> The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and >> freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. >> >> I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 years >> I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid shipping >> for a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one which would >> have been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on these things has >> doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the thin aluminum >> condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. Outside these are >> really nice machines but the cooling systems are total cheepcheep chinesium. >> I talked to the vendor about them and they were very noncommittal, I guess >> if they can keep selling replacements no worries to them. >> >> I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker >>> for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple >>> don’t use it anymore. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
My general opinion is to get the best/most expensive or the absolute cheapest. With the later at least you're not out a ton of money... -Curt On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:35:45 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I just bought a Chinese beverage cooler to take the place of a trash compactor at the Flagstaff house. It was that or a generic base cabinet I likely wouldn’t have been able to match the rest. Because the space is only 15” I had a heck of a time finding something that would fit and wasn’t a small fortune. Home Despot had a couple, the one which I chose was the more expensive of the two but had over five years of reviews, all of which were good. So I rolled the dice. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was > still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came a > fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. Duh, > a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one worked > awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not broken but on > strike for some reason. > > It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep > forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. > > The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and > freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. > > I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 years > I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid shipping for > a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one which would have > been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on these things has > doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the thin aluminum > condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. Outside these are > really nice machines but the cooling systems are total cheepcheep chinesium. > I talked to the vendor about them and they were very noncommittal, I guess if > they can keep selling replacements no worries to them. > > I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker >> for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple >> don’t use it anymore. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Apple products have a setting that allows you to choose anytime, when you want, or never. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > My least favorite "feature" of phones/tablets is the "You get an update > right now." whether I'm in the middle of something or not... > > -Curt > > On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:30:09 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > The issue I have with products like the Tesla is that they can control it > without your approval. There are a number of documented instances when the > cars changed hands and as a part of that process features were disabled so > that the new owner could not access them. > > You can avoid this by not allowing updates, but that’s a double-edged sword. > > I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things > after the fact. > > -D > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> “Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long >> people keep cars...” >> Which is exactly why EVs are disposable and couple this with the fact that >> the hugely expensive batteries are relatively short lived. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall >>> for screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. >>> >>> Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long >>> people keep cars... >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a >>> certain amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software >>> thing but the whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new >>> iPhones. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old computer or a 3 year old iPhone? Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: > > Off topic? > On topic? > > He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can > keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than > buying another car every five or ten years? > > https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 > > It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. > > Planned obsolescence isn't green. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 10:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that > more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years? That has been my philosophy for the last 25 years or so. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I just bought a Chinese beverage cooler to take the place of a trash compactor at the Flagstaff house. It was that or a generic base cabinet I likely wouldn’t have been able to match the rest. Because the space is only 15” I had a heck of a time finding something that would fit and wasn’t a small fortune. Home Despot had a couple, the one which I chose was the more expensive of the two but had over five years of reviews, all of which were good. So I rolled the dice. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was > still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came a > fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. Duh, > a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one worked > awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not broken but on > strike for some reason. > > It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep > forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. > > The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and > freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. > > I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 years > I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid shipping for > a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one which would have > been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on these things has > doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the thin aluminum > condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. Outside these are > really nice machines but the cooling systems are total cheepcheep chinesium. > I talked to the vendor about them and they were very noncommittal, I guess if > they can keep selling replacements no worries to them. > > I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker >> for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple >> don’t use it anymore. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
My least favorite "feature" of phones/tablets is the "You get an update right now." whether I'm in the middle of something or not... -Curt On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:30:09 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: The issue I have with products like the Tesla is that they can control it without your approval. There are a number of documented instances when the cars changed hands and as a part of that process features were disabled so that the new owner could not access them. You can avoid this by not allowing updates, but that’s a double-edged sword. I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things after the fact. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > “Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long > people keep cars...” > Which is exactly why EVs are disposable and couple this with the fact that > the hugely expensive batteries are relatively short lived. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for >> screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. >> >> Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long >> people keep cars... >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a >> certain amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software >> thing but the whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new >> iPhones. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There >>> is no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, >>> most 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who >>> are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep >>> an obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this >>> is one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. >>> Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old >>> computer or a 3 year old iPhone? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: Off topic? On topic? He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years? https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. Planned obsolescence isn't green. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb striped tensioner threads
What is the thread size for the tensioner bolt? I may have the timesert kit that I could lend to you. From: Mercedes on behalf of mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 1:24 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 197, Issue 92 Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." Today's Topics: 1. OT Frontier no start (Allan Streib) 2. Re: OT Frontier no start (Rick Knoble) 3. 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? (Kaleb Striplin) 4. Re: 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? (G Mann) 5. Re: OT Frontier no start (Buggered Benzmail) 6. Re: OT Frontier no start (Allan Streib) 7. Re: OT Frontier no start (G Mann) 8. Re: OT Frontier no start (Jim Cathey) 9. Re: OT Frontier no start (Allan Streib) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:57:05 -0400 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start Message-ID: <6e1afb7c-2388-43c8-8d05-64c5f9423...@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Suddenly today Nissan Frontier will not start. Starter turns very slowly or not at all. Acting like low battery but jump start does not change anything. Also headlights are bright, windows open normally, etc so that indicates battery is good. I don't have a battery tester but battery is only a few years old. It's a manual so tried to roll start it but didn't really have enough of a hill to get much speed. It didn't work. Do you normally use 2nd or 3rd gear for that? Of course it's not at home. Will try to start it tomorrow pulling with a tow chain, and bring a voltmeter so i can at least see what battery voltage is. -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:09:32 + From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Traditionally second gear. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: April 17, 2022 5:58 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm Subject: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start Suddenly today Nissan Frontier will not start. Starter turns very slowly or not at all. Acting like low battery but jump start does not change anything. Also headlights are bright, windows open normally, etc so that indicates battery is good. I don't have a battery tester but battery is only a few years old. It's a manual so tried to roll start it but didn't really have enough of a hill to get much speed. It didn't work. Do you normally use 2nd or 3rd gear for that? Of course it's not at home. Will try to start it tomorrow pulling with a tow chain, and bring a voltmeter so i can at least see what battery voltage is. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:12:14 -0500 From: Kaleb Striplin To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes , davesl...@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Getting ready to get this stripped belt tensioner bolt fixed on the 99 606 of my fathers.? My current plan is to repair it with the cover in place with a time sert.? These things are expense and the kit for this is $258.? Of course that includes 5 inserts. I am planning on having the possibly remove the radiator and condenser. Doing that the timing chain is right behind the hole so would have to mark the depth on the drill bit so I know how far I can go. Pricing a new cover, its around $193 for a new cover from various MB parts dealers online.? Should I attempt to repair the threads or just bite the bullet and start pulling the front of the engine apart?? I assume water pump, vacuum pump, pulley, alternator bracket, ps pump and bracket, crank pulley?? What else would have to come off.? Is it removable without pulling the head and oil pan? -- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:46:57 -0700 From: G Mann To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 timing cover replace or repair threads? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thinking strictly from the structural engineer's point of vi
Re: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start
Have somebody hold the key on while you whack the starter/solenoid with a hammer/mallet. -Curt On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:29:10 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Got it started, dragged it up to the top of a slope with tow chain and rolled it down and popped the clutch. It didn't start the first try, though I thought it should have, ignition was on and there was fuel in the tank. On the second try, I blipped the key into the "start" position and it fired right up. Perhaps the computer is being too clever to let it start without "start" engaged? Never heard of that. Anyhow, it runs fine. Got it home, shut down, tried to start it about 10 minutes later and nothing. Not even a click. Had to run back to work so will try to check voltages tonight but my hunch is it's not the battery but the starter or solenoid. I had a quick look under the car, starter looks easy enough to get at, two big bolts holding it to the bellhousing. I was going to hit it with PB Blaster but it's already quite oily and there is a good bit of oil everywhere on the lower rear of the engine and oil pan. Leaking rear main seal? Grrr. Never just one problem. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
The issue I have with products like the Tesla is that they can control it without your approval. There are a number of documented instances when the cars changed hands and as a part of that process features were disabled so that the new owner could not access them. You can avoid this by not allowing updates, but that’s a double-edged sword. I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things after the fact. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > “Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long > people keep cars...” > Which is exactly why EVs are disposable and couple this with the fact that > the hugely expensive batteries are relatively short lived. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for >> screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. >> >> Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long >> people keep cars... >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a >> certain amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software >> thing but the whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new >> iPhones. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There >>> is no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, >>> most 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who >>> are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep >>> an obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this >>> is one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. >>> Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old >>> computer or a 3 year old iPhone? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: Off topic? On topic? He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years? https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. Planned obsolescence isn't green. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frontier no start
Got it started, dragged it up to the top of a slope with tow chain and rolled it down and popped the clutch. It didn't start the first try, though I thought it should have, ignition was on and there was fuel in the tank. On the second try, I blipped the key into the "start" position and it fired right up. Perhaps the computer is being too clever to let it start without "start" engaged? Never heard of that. Anyhow, it runs fine. Got it home, shut down, tried to start it about 10 minutes later and nothing. Not even a click. Had to run back to work so will try to check voltages tonight but my hunch is it's not the battery but the starter or solenoid. I had a quick look under the car, starter looks easy enough to get at, two big bolts holding it to the bellhousing. I was going to hit it with PB Blaster but it's already quite oily and there is a good bit of oil everywhere on the lower rear of the engine and oil pan. Leaking rear main seal? Grrr. Never just one problem. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
“Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long people keep cars...” Which is exactly why EVs are disposable and couple this with the fact that the hugely expensive batteries are relatively short lived. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for > screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. > > Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long > people keep cars... > > -Curt > > > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a certain > amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software thing but the > whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new iPhones. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is >> no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most >> 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are >> willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an >> obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is >> one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. >> Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old >> computer or a 3 year old iPhone? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Off topic? >>> On topic? >>> >>> He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep >>> a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying >>> another car every five or ten years? >>> >>> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 >>> >>> It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. >>> >>> Planned obsolescence isn't green. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was still nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came a fixed it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. Duh, a plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one worked awhile but now it only works intermittently so I guess it’s not broken but on strike for some reason. It has an upper ice machine too that has basically frosted up. I keep forgetting to get a heat gun after it to get it working again. The machine is about 10yr old now and otherwise does it’s cooling and freezing thing so I guess that’s a win. I’ve been through 3 undercounter wine coolers now. Each has lasted 2-3 years I got the first one replaced for free. The second I think I paid shipping for a new one. This last one they wanted about half of a new one which would have been $600 or so, wholesale price I guess. The price on these things has doubled in say 10yr. I took the first two apart and the thin aluminum condensers both corroded and released the majick fluid. Outside these are really nice machines but the cooling systems are total cheepcheep chinesium. I talked to the vendor about them and they were very noncommittal, I guess if they can keep selling replacements no worries to them. I do like my 40+yo and 30+yo and 15+yo Benzes though. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker > for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple > don’t use it anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing. Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long people keep cars... -Curt On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a certain amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software thing but the whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new iPhones. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is > no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most > 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are > willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an > obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is one > of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. > Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old > computer or a 3 year old iPhone? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Off topic? >> On topic? >> >> He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep >> a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying >> another car every five or ten years? >> >> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 >> >> It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. >> >> Planned obsolescence isn't green. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Bought a Samsung dishwasher this summer for a rental property. It failed in three months. Samsung said it was not repairable and that they could not replace it and would not pay for labor. They told me to go to their online store and with a credit buy whatever I wanted - could be a smart phone or whatever. They couldn’t guarantee that they even had a dishwasher. I argued over a period of four months and probably over 15 hours of phone conversations until they finally agreed to issue me a refund. I replaced it with a Bosch. I bought an LG Refrigerator for another rental property. The compressor failed within four months. They repaired it under warranty. A couple of years later the icemaker started leaking and destroyed the wooden floor in the kitchen. I just disconnected it and shut off the water supply. A couple years ago the freezer would not get down to low enough temps but it works intermittently. My tenants are dealing with it. Moral of the story, do not buy Samsung or LG appliances. They are trash. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > We have a Maytag washer and drier front loading pair that has to be 15 years > old now. A couple of years ago the bearing in the back of the tub started > making loud noises. I found some videos of replacing it because Maytag does > not sell it. Just the entire tub assembly. Found the proper bearing, took the > whole machine apart including removing tub and replaced it. It’s fine but > rattles some when spinning but it’s fine. > > New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker > for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple > don’t use it anymore. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> As you all know, I have a few rental properties. Until a few years ago, I >> would be tempted by brands such as Samsung or LG or other low end “American” >> brands for appliances because they were relatively inexpensive but looked >> good in stainless suits. I’ve learned my lesson. Samsung and LG appliances >> are utter garbage. I now only buy Bosch dishwashers and Speed Queen washers. >> Ironically, I’m now perpetuating the spoiled lifestyle of my college student >> tenants by giving them premium appliances. And speaking of not being green, >> college kids who claim to care about the environment leave behind an >> unimaginable volume of perfectly serviceable things (even new in packaging >> luxury items) when they move out. How is this green? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:56 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I don’t have a problem paying more for a product if it’s going to last >>> longer and provide the same functionality. Something like a dishwasher, >>> washing machine, etc., that wouldn’t change significantly as far as >>> functionality makes a lot of sense. Certainly, stuff breaks, but who needs >>> a new dryer every 5-7 years if it’s still capable of drying clothes? >>> >>> -D >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old computer or a 3 year old iPhone? Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: > > Off topic? > On topic? > > He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can > keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than > buying another car every five or ten years? > > https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 > > It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. > > Planned obsolescence isn't green. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>>
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
We have a Maytag washer and drier front loading pair that has to be 15 years old now. A couple of years ago the bearing in the back of the tub started making loud noises. I found some videos of replacing it because Maytag does not sell it. Just the entire tub assembly. Found the proper bearing, took the whole machine apart including removing tub and replaced it. It’s fine but rattles some when spinning but it’s fine. New Samsung refrigerator looked great with nice features but the ice maker for the door ice continues to freeze up and get jammed. Gave you and simple don’t use it anymore. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > As you all know, I have a few rental properties. Until a few years ago, I > would be tempted by brands such as Samsung or LG or other low end “American” > brands for appliances because they were relatively inexpensive but looked > good in stainless suits. I’ve learned my lesson. Samsung and LG appliances > are utter garbage. I now only buy Bosch dishwashers and Speed Queen washers. > Ironically, I’m now perpetuating the spoiled lifestyle of my college student > tenants by giving them premium appliances. And speaking of not being green, > college kids who claim to care about the environment leave behind an > unimaginable volume of perfectly serviceable things (even new in packaging > luxury items) when they move out. How is this green? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:56 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I don’t have a problem paying more for a product if it’s going to last >> longer and provide the same functionality. Something like a dishwasher, >> washing machine, etc., that wouldn’t change significantly as far as >> functionality makes a lot of sense. Certainly, stuff breaks, but who needs a >> new dryer every 5-7 years if it’s still capable of drying clothes? >> >> -D >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is >>> no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most >>> 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are >>> willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an >>> obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is >>> one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. >>> Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old >>> computer or a 3 year old iPhone? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: Off topic? On topic? He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years? https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. Planned obsolescence isn't green. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a certain amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software thing but the whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new iPhones. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is > no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most > 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are > willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an > obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is one > of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. > Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old > computer or a 3 year old iPhone? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Off topic? >> On topic? >> >> He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep >> a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying >> another car every five or ten years? >> >> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 >> >> It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. >> >> Planned obsolescence isn't green. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
As you all know, I have a few rental properties. Until a few years ago, I would be tempted by brands such as Samsung or LG or other low end “American” brands for appliances because they were relatively inexpensive but looked good in stainless suits. I’ve learned my lesson. Samsung and LG appliances are utter garbage. I now only buy Bosch dishwashers and Speed Queen washers. Ironically, I’m now perpetuating the spoiled lifestyle of my college student tenants by giving them premium appliances. And speaking of not being green, college kids who claim to care about the environment leave behind an unimaginable volume of perfectly serviceable things (even new in packaging luxury items) when they move out. How is this green? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:56 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I don’t have a problem paying more for a product if it’s going to last > longer and provide the same functionality. Something like a dishwasher, > washing machine, etc., that wouldn’t change significantly as far as > functionality makes a lot of sense. Certainly, stuff breaks, but who needs a > new dryer every 5-7 years if it’s still capable of drying clothes? > > -D > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is >> no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most >> 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are >> willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an >> obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is >> one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. >> Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old >> computer or a 3 year old iPhone? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Off topic? >>> On topic? >>> >>> He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep >>> a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying >>> another car every five or ten years? >>> >>> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 >>> >>> It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. >>> >>> Planned obsolescence isn't green. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I don’t have a problem paying more for a product if it’s going to last longer and provide the same functionality. Something like a dishwasher, washing machine, etc., that wouldn’t change significantly as far as functionality makes a lot of sense. Certainly, stuff breaks, but who needs a new dryer every 5-7 years if it’s still capable of drying clothes? -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is > no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most > 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are > willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an > obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is one > of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. > Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old > computer or a 3 year old iPhone? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Off topic? >> On topic? >> >> He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep >> a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying >> another car every five or ten years? >> >> https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 >> >> It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. >> >> Planned obsolescence isn't green. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is no doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most 10-12 years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep an obsolete rolling computer on the road. EVs are just NOT green and this is one of just several reasons. Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded. Does anyone spend a significant amount of money to repair a 10 year old computer or a 3 year old iPhone? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Off topic? > On topic? > > He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a > Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying > another car every five or ten years? > > https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 > > It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. > > Planned obsolescence isn't green. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
I don’t think this is political in nature, Rick. It’s about planned obsolescence, and is spot-on. It makes sense to me that manufacturers be required to maintain spared for a reasonable period of time as described or pay a disposal fee up front. That makes perfect sense to me, and it would also identify who doesn’t want to bear the expense of building products that would have some longevity. If I go to buy an appliance and I see that a particular manufacturer is paying the disposal fee it tells me they don’t have a lot of confidence in the integrity of their products. -D > On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Off topic? > On topic? > > He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a > Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying > another car every five or ten years? > > https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 > > It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. > > Planned obsolescence isn't green. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Specifically. Damn autocorrect. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: April 18, 2022 10:18 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: rickkno...@hotmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability Off topic? On topic? He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years? https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. Planned obsolescence isn't green. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Truth On Repairability
Off topic? On topic? He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years? https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674 It truly pisses me off when I go to repair something, and can't get parts. Planned obsolescence isn't green. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys
Add the w126 to that list. At least the matching ignition tumbler is NLA. On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 7:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You should have made the dealer order it again. > > On 4/14/2022 9:17 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote: > > Indeed, mine were cut in Texas, and very poorly at that. They somehow got > > the key misaligned on the thin axis, which means that the cutaway portion > > is wildly uneven from side to side. So you have a 50% chance of operating > > the lock. > > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote: > > > >> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, > >> which means they?re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They > >> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it > cut > >> to match the VIN. That?s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at > >> least all of the keys I?ve had made from them in the last 20 year were. > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
