Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

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On 2022-08-09 21:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of
health issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for
her various health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could
address it all, but to have one that gets the “big picture” I believe
is far more important that seeing a bunch of disparate practitioners.


At one time, my parents' rheumatologist had taken over that function, 
and managed their multiple drugs and interactions. Their old GP resented 
the hell out of it, when it was his incompetence that forced the 
specialist to take over the general functions. The new GP, same guy I 
use now, had no problem with the arrangement. When we were trying to get 
a diagnosis for mom's Giant Cell Arteritis before she went blind or 
died, she got referred to a teaching brain specialist at MSU. When he 
mentioned that a rheumatology consult might be in order, she told him 
who the Rheumatologist was, and he said something like "oh, yeah, the 
guy who's been sending me faxes about you and I've been ignoring".


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

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On 2022-08-09 22:36, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

That is the role I see a primary care doctor and sort of overseeing
the big picture from all the separate specialist. Instead mine won’t
hear any of it. All he does is read off previous test results then
order new test results.



Not a great situation when you seem to have ongoing issues which don't 
have an obvious solution if nobody's organizing a coherent search for 
the solution. You ever get everything resolved? Seems like you had some 
progress on the cardiac stuff.


At least my Doc was doing his best when I had running diarrhea for over 
a year. But there were some errors.
He ran the standard tests, which all came back negative, then ordered a 
colonoscopy, which came back normal, then sent me to a specialist, who 
told me the first thing he wanted was a colonoscopy, but a special one 
looking for specific digestive issues rather than the general cancer 
screening which I just had.
Eventually I figured out for myself that I had lost the ability to 
digest certain fats, like for instance, potato chips. Zero chips, not 
more than a few pretzels, no more backwards vomiting and no more 
Imodium.


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is the role I see a primary care doctor and sort of overseeing the big 
picture from all the separate specialist. Instead mine won’t hear any of it. 
All he does is read off previous test results then order new test results. 

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:52 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of 
> health issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for her 
> various health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could address it all, 
> but to have one that gets the “big picture” I believe is far more important 
> that seeing a bunch of disparate practitioners.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting. Maybe I should try to find something like that around here. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:44 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HAH!
>>> 
>>> I got that one a few years back from my internist. I immediately turned it 
>>> on him and asked him if he had any firearms in his house (I know he does, 
>>> he belongs to my sporting clays club.)
>>> 
>>> He moved on.
>>> 
>>> Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A concierge 
>>> practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple health issues, 
>>> as she would actually get time to spend with a practitioner who could 
>>> discuss everything in detail without being rushed or having to worry about 
>>> getting to the patient in the next exam room.
>>> 
>>> The one I looked at in Flagstaff was pretty reasonable, like $150/month, no 
>>> copays and they took insurance and filled a lot of their own prescriptions 
>>> through a deal they have with a local pharmacy. Pay that with FSA funds and 
>>> consider no copays and it’s even cheaper.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because 
> the triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling 
> centered”
 
 Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
 
 Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good luck 
 with nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. They don't seem as 
 beholden to big pharma as MDs and are more open to lifestyle changes for 
 improved health than a burning desire to pump one full of pills and 
 injections.
 
 Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.
 
 BTW, Medicare is bankrupt in two to three years.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:15:42 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Thanks, Craig.
> 
> The physicians I was looking at in Flagstaff have a practice that’s set
> up using this model. They’re not part of the “wedge”, but the business
> model they use is quite similar.

That is good to hear.

I do not know what it takes/costs to "Join the Wedge", but if you happen
to think of it in your dealings with them, you might mention it. That
might get them more visibility in the area.


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Thanks, Craig.

The physicians I was looking at in Flagstaff have a practice that’s set up 
using this model. They’re not part of the “wedge”, but the business model they 
use is quite similar.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:43:23 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A
>> concierge practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple
>> health issues, as she would actually get time to spend with a
>> practitioner who could discuss everything in detail without being
>> rushed or having to worry about getting to the patient in the next exam
>> room.
>> 
>> The one I looked at in Flagstaff was pretty reasonable, like
>> $150/month, no copays and they took insurance and filled a lot of their
>> own prescriptions through a deal they have with a local pharmacy. Pay
>> that with FSA funds and consider no copays and it’s even cheaper.
> 
> 
> The Citizens' Council for Health Freedom (https://www.cchfreedom.org/)
> has started an "organization" called The Wedge of Health Freedom
> (https://jointhewedge.com/). It is still in the starting stages, so there
> are not too many places with providers.
> 
> It explains itself at https://jointhewedge.com/faq/ (which I won't quote
> in its entirety so I will have a shorter email). It starts out,
> 
>Q: What is The Wedge of Health Freedom?
> 
>A: The Wedge of Health Freedom (“The Wedge”) is a nationwide
>   disruptive innovation for health care initiated by the Citizens’
>   Council for Health Freedom to restore the caring heart, ethical
>   principles, affordability and patient-centered focus of medicine in
>   America. Using The Wedge, CCHF will advance a new vision of medical
>   care for patients and doctors — a vision of patient-friendly,
>   price-friendly and privacy-friendly medical care.
> 
> and continues.
> 
> You can see if there is a provider near you at
> https://jointhewedge.com/find-a-practice/
> There are several in Arizona, but they are near Phoenix.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:43:23 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A
> concierge practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple
> health issues, as she would actually get time to spend with a
> practitioner who could discuss everything in detail without being
> rushed or having to worry about getting to the patient in the next exam
> room.
> 
> The one I looked at in Flagstaff was pretty reasonable, like
> $150/month, no copays and they took insurance and filled a lot of their
> own prescriptions through a deal they have with a local pharmacy. Pay
> that with FSA funds and consider no copays and it’s even cheaper.


The Citizens' Council for Health Freedom (https://www.cchfreedom.org/)
has started an "organization" called The Wedge of Health Freedom
(https://jointhewedge.com/). It is still in the starting stages, so there
are not too many places with providers.

It explains itself at https://jointhewedge.com/faq/ (which I won't quote
in its entirety so I will have a shorter email). It starts out,

Q: What is The Wedge of Health Freedom?

A: The Wedge of Health Freedom (“The Wedge”) is a nationwide
   disruptive innovation for health care initiated by the Citizens’
   Council for Health Freedom to restore the caring heart, ethical
   principles, affordability and patient-centered focus of medicine in
   America. Using The Wedge, CCHF will advance a new vision of medical
   care for patients and doctors — a vision of patient-friendly,
   price-friendly and privacy-friendly medical care.

and continues.

You can see if there is a provider near you at
 https://jointhewedge.com/find-a-practice/
There are several in Arizona, but they are near Phoenix.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I will say that I don’t recall being asked this in the recent past. When my 
doctor asked it was probably 4-5 years ago, at least.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:26:31 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>>> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went
>>> because the triage nurse goes through all of these questions about
>>> “feeling centered”
>> 
>> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
> 
> Obamacare explicitly states (somewhere in its 2700 pages) they are not
> allowed to ask that.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of health 
issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for her various 
health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could address it all, but to 
have one that gets the “big picture” I believe is far more important that 
seeing a bunch of disparate practitioners.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. Maybe I should try to find something like that around here. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:44 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> HAH!
>> 
>> I got that one a few years back from my internist. I immediately turned it 
>> on him and asked him if he had any firearms in his house (I know he does, he 
>> belongs to my sporting clays club.)
>> 
>> He moved on.
>> 
>> Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A concierge 
>> practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple health issues, 
>> as she would actually get time to spend with a practitioner who could 
>> discuss everything in detail without being rushed or having to worry about 
>> getting to the patient in the next exam room.
>> 
>> The one I looked at in Flagstaff was pretty reasonable, like $150/month, no 
>> copays and they took insurance and filled a lot of their own prescriptions 
>> through a deal they have with a local pharmacy. Pay that with FSA funds and 
>> consider no copays and it’s even cheaper.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because 
 the triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling 
 centered”
>>> 
>>> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
>>> 
>>> Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good luck 
>>> with nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. They don't seem as 
>>> beholden to big pharma as MDs and are more open to lifestyle changes for 
>>> improved health than a burning desire to pump one full of pills and 
>>> injections.
>>> 
>>> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.
>>> 
>>> BTW, Medicare is bankrupt in two to three years.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:26:31 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went
> > because the triage nurse goes through all of these questions about
> > “feeling centered”
> 
> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.

Obamacare explicitly states (somewhere in its 2700 pages) they are not
allowed to ask that.


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Just for clarification, I have no problem at all with nurse practitioners or 
physicians assistants, and I think your points are well taken in that regard. 
My gripe with our soon to be former practice was that we were assigned to and 
worked with a doctor for our care. When our doctor left we were no longer 
assigned to a doctor, but an APRN. Understand that if we wanted to see our 
doctor it took some time to get in, but for immediate care we saw an APRN or PA 
within 24-48 hours - who would consult with our doctor about our care, if 
necessary.

And I also agree with your point about self-care.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the 
>> triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”
> 
> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
> 
> Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good luck with 
> nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. They don't seem as beholden to 
> big pharma as MDs and are more open to lifestyle changes for improved health 
> than a burning desire to pump one full of pills and injections.
> 
> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.
> 
> BTW, Medicare is bankrupt in two to three years.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Interesting. Maybe I should try to find something like that around here. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:44 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> HAH!
> 
> I got that one a few years back from my internist. I immediately turned it on 
> him and asked him if he had any firearms in his house (I know he does, he 
> belongs to my sporting clays club.)
> 
> He moved on.
> 
> Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A concierge 
> practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple health issues, 
> as she would actually get time to spend with a practitioner who could discuss 
> everything in detail without being rushed or having to worry about getting to 
> the patient in the next exam room.
> 
> The one I looked at in Flagstaff was pretty reasonable, like $150/month, no 
> copays and they took insurance and filled a lot of their own prescriptions 
> through a deal they have with a local pharmacy. Pay that with FSA funds and 
> consider no copays and it’s even cheaper.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the 
>>> triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”
>> 
>> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
>> 
>> Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good luck with 
>> nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. They don't seem as beholden 
>> to big pharma as MDs and are more open to lifestyle changes for improved 
>> health than a burning desire to pump one full of pills and injections.
>> 
>> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.
>> 
>> BTW, Medicare is bankrupt in two to three years.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

HAH!

I got that one a few years back from my internist. I immediately turned it on 
him and asked him if he had any firearms in his house (I know he does, he 
belongs to my sporting clays club.)

He moved on.

Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A concierge 
practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple health issues, as 
she would actually get time to spend with a practitioner who could discuss 
everything in detail without being rushed or having to worry about getting to 
the patient in the next exam room.

The one I looked at in Flagstaff was pretty reasonable, like $150/month, no 
copays and they took insurance and filled a lot of their own prescriptions 
through a deal they have with a local pharmacy. Pay that with FSA funds and 
consider no copays and it’s even cheaper.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the 
>> triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”
> 
> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
> 
> Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good luck with 
> nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. They don't seem as beholden to 
> big pharma as MDs and are more open to lifestyle changes for improved health 
> than a burning desire to pump one full of pills and injections.
> 
> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.
> 
> BTW, Medicare is bankrupt in two to three years.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

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See, this is what’s so crazy…

When I was coming back from Flagstaff back in June, my left ear never opened up 
or “popped” when we landed in Tampa. It stayed that way for a good week. I went 
to see the internist’s practice ARNP, who looked at my ear, told me to take 
some antihistamines for a week and all would be well. That visit of maybe five 
minutes, if that, was billed to my insurer for $370.00. They dd their 
negotiated discount down to $200 and change, paid most of it, and I was left 
with a $30 bill PLUS a copay of $20 I paid at the visit.

Fast forward to August.

My ear is still not open. I’ve lost some of my hearing in the ear as a result. 
As my insurance just kicked in August 1st, I asked my dentist to recommend a 
good ENT. He gave me a referral. I called up the practice last Friday, 
explained my situation and on Monday I got an appointment - not with the ENT 
himself, but an ARNP in the practice. Fine, I’ll start with the second string 
so I can work my way up, I’m perfectly fine with that.

In less than a minute or two she confirmed that yes, my eustachian tube was 
clearly blocked for some reason and she wrote a script for an antibiotic and a 
steroid I’ve got to take for two weeks, after which she’s seeing me for a 
follow up. I haven’t seen the bill yet, but my copay was $50 since it’s a 
specialist.

So why couldn’t the ARNP at my internist’s practice have done this?

And yes, I understand the pitfalls of socialized medicine, but it’s got to be 
better than the system we have now. Look at the number of people who are 
financially crippled due to medical debt. When Mrs. Dan has gone in for 
surgeries to address her cancer why does the admissions desk have a little sign 
that says, “If you don’t have insurance you can get a 50% discount on the bill 
if you pay within 30 days. Or pay in 15 days and get a 60% discount!”

What does that tell you about the “business”?

Grrr.

-D



> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like it's time for a new doctor...
> 
> I waited 3 months for an appointment with an ENT. I've had sinus headaches 
> every day or two since September. Two weeks ago the ENT guy takes a look in 
> my ears, up my nose and down my throat (guess he was doing his job) and sent 
> me off for a CT scan. That was yesterday, I got the results today which 
> basically say I have a sinus infection. I suspect he'll give me some 
> antibiotics.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 07:15:14 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The spouse 
> has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday. Has a virus 
> and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an IV and just 
> gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care doctor. She 
> started to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the huge 
> dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this visit was only to review 
> certain things. Basically just going over the most basic items. So you are in 
> a doctors office and they ignore a glaring illness and say you would need to 
> make a sick visit rather than this wellness visit? It would seem to this 
> recent issue should be addressed on any visit including a wellness visit. I 
> use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my neck problems, or 
> anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to discuss it, only 
> what is on his simpleton agenda for the day. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the 
> triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”

Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.

Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good luck with 
nurse practitioners and physicians assistants. They don't seem as beholden to 
big pharma as MDs and are more open to lifestyle changes for improved health 
than a burning desire to pump one full of pills and injections.

Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.

BTW, Medicare is bankrupt in two to three years.


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Re: [MBZ] OT 1973 Triumph Stag

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

For all you aluminum block Buick/Rover lovers:
Instead of buying a Rover 3500, or putting a 3500 engine in a Stag, you 
could buy an Apollo 3500GT and at least be visually competitive with an 
XKE, with a less troublesome drivetrain than a 1960s Jag.


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I read an interesting article a while back that all these skyrocketing costs 
over the years are a direct result of Medicare. When that started the medical 
industries full time job is extracting as much money out of it as they can 
which in turn has spread to everyone, not just those on Medicare. 

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the 
>> patient.
> 
> As long as the patient isn't the one paying for it, you're right.
> 
> Profit isn't the problem. The problem is that some insurance company (or 
> Medicare, or Medicaid) is paying or it, so the doctors have to dance to their 
> tune, not yours.
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-08-09 21:09, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:


This is also why I’m all for socialized medicine. It’s far from
perfect, but as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be
centered on the patient.


This is one reason why I oppose socialized medicine. I know of no 
country with socialized medicine that centers its focus on the patient's 
well being, or provides essential services in a timely manner.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes every time  you go the doctor here they want you to fill out that stupid 
form, and also about guns in the house. None of their business. 

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Both the wife and I have seen an internist that was part of a local medical 
> practice we’ve gone to for over 25 years. Last year, one of the big local 
> health care conglomerates (Advent Health) bought them out. Our internist left 
> the practice to teach. So now we no longer have a primary care physician, we 
> have an APRN (physician’s assistant) who sees us. We told the practice 
> manager we wanted to be assigned to another doctor in the practice and they 
> said they couldn’t, and that we would now be under this APRN. No choice - 
> don’t like it, leave.
> 
> So we decide to change to another provider, a local clinic that’s part of 
> another local medical conglomerate, Bay Care. We get to see a “real” doctor 
> there, but first and foremost we have to have a “wellness visit” before we 
> can be seen for anything else, like an annual physical.
> 
> I get a substantial discount on my employer’s health insurance for getting an 
> annual physical and blood work. The new place can’t do a physical until I 
> have my “wellness visit”, which can’t be scheduled until November - I tried 
> scheduling this in July! After that’s done, I can get a physical, likely not 
> until after the first of the year, which would not qualify for my discount (I 
> have to have it done in the calendar year.)
> 
> So I’m going to the APRN for my blood work and physical because I can get in 
> next month. After that, in November I have my wellness visit and I’m in good 
> graces with the new place.
> 
> It’s just so stupid, and I have to believe it’s driven by nothing more than 
> money.
> 
> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the 
> triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”, 
> “Do you feel safe in your home?” and mental health stuff. I told her to stuff 
> it, and that I wouldn’t answer any of it because it was none of their 
> business. I felt it was really intrusive, and they play it up like it’s some 
> sort of holistic “mind and body” garbage. She told me if I didn’t answer they 
> couldn’t see me. I asked her what value it would have if I wasn’t telling the 
> truth to begin with. Then I answered the questions.
> 
> Sorry for the language, but it’s bullshit. Total bullshit. I am so glad I am 
> in good health and I rarely have to deal with these people. Mrs. Dan is just 
> as infuriated, but she plays along to get the care she wants/needs.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The spouse 
>> has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday. Has a 
>> virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an IV and 
>> just gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care doctor. 
>> She started to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the huge 
>> dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this visit was only to 
>> review certain things. Basically just going over the most basic items. So 
>> you are in a doctors office and they ignore a glaring illness and say you 
>> would need to make a sick visit rather than this wellness visit? It would 
>> seem to this recent issue should be addressed on any visit including a 
>> wellness visit. I use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my 
>> neck problems, or anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to 
>> discuss it, only what is on his simpleton agenda for the day. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

> as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the 
> patient.

As long as the patient isn't the one paying for it, you're right.

Profit isn't the problem. The problem is that some insurance company (or 
Medicare, or Medicaid) is paying or it, so the doctors have to dance to their 
tune, not yours.

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sounds like it's time for a new doctor...

I waited 3 months for an appointment with an ENT. I've had sinus headaches 
every day or two since September. Two weeks ago the ENT guy takes a look in my 
ears, up my nose and down my throat (guess he was doing his job) and sent me 
off for a CT scan. That was yesterday, I got the results today which basically 
say I have a sinus infection. I suspect he'll give me some antibiotics.

-Curt

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 07:15:14 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The spouse has 
been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday. Has a virus and 
very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an IV and just gave 
up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care doctor. She started 
to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the huge dehydration problem 
but he cut her off and said this visit was only to review certain things. 
Basically just going over the most basic items. So you are in a doctors office 
and they ignore a glaring illness and say you would need to make a sick visit 
rather than this wellness visit? It would seem to this recent issue should be 
addressed on any visit including a wellness visit. I use the same doctor and 
anytime I want to ask about my neck problems, or anything related to my blood 
thinners he doesn’t want to discuss it, only what is on his simpleton agenda 
for the day. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Medical coding, known in the business as “HICPIC” codes, is nothing new, but 
yes, the insurers are becoming far more regimented about how practitioners 
see/bill patients.

I’m seriously considering going to a practitioner that is a “concierge” doctor. 
There are a couple in Flagstaff, and it’s a great business model that is 
patient-centered, not dollar centered. It’s not that much more expensive than 
seeing a “regular” doctor.

This is also why I’m all for socialized medicine. It’s far from perfect, but as 
long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the patient.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Most likely a result of the insurance payment schemes. Each visit is
> identified by a code - which dictates what insurance will pay. Two codes
> for one visit wil be identified as fraud by the insurance co., making it
> not feasible for the doctor to do that. You need an appointment for the
> specific thing you want treated/looked at.
> 
> Bottom line, the for-profit healthcare model sucks big time.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The
>> spouse has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday.
>> Has a virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an
>> IV and just gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care
>> doctor. She started to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the
>> huge dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this visit was only to
>> review certain things. Basically just going over the most basic items. So
>> you are in a doctors office and they ignore a glaring illness and say you
>> would need to make a sick visit rather than this wellness visit? It would
>> seem to this recent issue should be addressed on any visit including a
>> wellness visit. I use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my
>> neck problems, or anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to
>> discuss it, only what is on his simpleton agenda for the day.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> OK Don
> 
> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
> are wearing."
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Both the wife and I have seen an internist that was part of a local medical 
practice we’ve gone to for over 25 years. Last year, one of the big local 
health care conglomerates (Advent Health) bought them out. Our internist left 
the practice to teach. So now we no longer have a primary care physician, we 
have an APRN (physician’s assistant) who sees us. We told the practice manager 
we wanted to be assigned to another doctor in the practice and they said they 
couldn’t, and that we would now be under this APRN. No choice - don’t like it, 
leave.

So we decide to change to another provider, a local clinic that’s part of 
another local medical conglomerate, Bay Care. We get to see a “real” doctor 
there, but first and foremost we have to have a “wellness visit” before we can 
be seen for anything else, like an annual physical.

I get a substantial discount on my employer’s health insurance for getting an 
annual physical and blood work. The new place can’t do a physical until I have 
my “wellness visit”, which can’t be scheduled until November - I tried 
scheduling this in July! After that’s done, I can get a physical, likely not 
until after the first of the year, which would not qualify for my discount (I 
have to have it done in the calendar year.)

So I’m going to the APRN for my blood work and physical because I can get in 
next month. After that, in November I have my wellness visit and I’m in good 
graces with the new place.

It’s just so stupid, and I have to believe it’s driven by nothing more than 
money.

On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the 
triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”, “Do 
you feel safe in your home?” and mental health stuff. I told her to stuff it, 
and that I wouldn’t answer any of it because it was none of their business. I 
felt it was really intrusive, and they play it up like it’s some sort of 
holistic “mind and body” garbage. She told me if I didn’t answer they couldn’t 
see me. I asked her what value it would have if I wasn’t telling the truth to 
begin with. Then I answered the questions.

Sorry for the language, but it’s bullshit. Total bullshit. I am so glad I am in 
good health and I rarely have to deal with these people. Mrs. Dan is just as 
infuriated, but she plays along to get the care she wants/needs.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The spouse 
> has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday. Has a virus 
> and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an IV and just 
> gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care doctor. She 
> started to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the huge 
> dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this visit was only to review 
> certain things. Basically just going over the most basic items. So you are in 
> a doctors office and they ignore a glaring illness and say you would need to 
> make a sick visit rather than this wellness visit? It would seem to this 
> recent issue should be addressed on any visit including a wellness visit. I 
> use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my neck problems, or 
> anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to discuss it, only 
> what is on his simpleton agenda for the day. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:33:09 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yea, but the doctor would not refill her prescriptions without the well
> visit. So she could have done that but then would not have got her
> refills done. 

For a Medicare Wellness Exam, all you are allowed to talk about is
wellness.

But to have a doctor who won't refill prescriptions without it is poor.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, but the doctor would not refill her prescriptions without the well visit. 
So she could have done that but then would not have got her refills done. 

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 6:55 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it's all billing related.
> If they schedule an annual check-up, and want to get paid for an annual 
> checkup, then that's what they have to do during that appointment.
> Maybe she could have said "I'm sick, can we reschedule my physical for later 
> and save me from dehydration and illness today instead?"
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Re: [MBZ] What the heck.... 2022 BENTLEY new golf cart rare 4 door turbo - $15, 900

[MG via Mercedes]

Faster motor and higher amperage controller?

MG

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

What does "turbo" mean in the context of a lead-acid battery golf cart?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022, at 09:49, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
One of those chinee electric golf karts. It could be entertaining if 
the price lost a 0


--FT
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wrote:

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/sellersburg-2022-bentley-new-golf-cart/7518693443.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 SL320 - 77k miles -$7,500

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Yes

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:40 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-08-09 19:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> Disintegration of wiring insulation in 95 maybe 96
>> Don’t ask me how I know
> 
> Was your 600 a 1995?
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

my doctor is wonderful. been going to him 20 years. he really cares about
my health . plus he grew  riding in 123 diesels.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The
> spouse has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday.
> Has a virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an
> IV and just gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care
> doctor. She started to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the
> huge dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this visit was only to
> review certain things. Basically just going over the most basic items. So
> you are in a doctors office and they ignore a glaring illness and say you
> would need to make a sick visit rather than this wellness visit? It would
> seem to this recent issue should be addressed on any visit including a
> wellness visit. I use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my
> neck problems, or anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to
> discuss it, only what is on his simpleton agenda for the day.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Most likely a result of the insurance payment schemes. Each visit is
identified by a code - which dictates what insurance will pay. Two codes
for one visit wil be identified as fraud by the insurance co., making it
not feasible for the doctor to do that. You need an appointment for the
specific thing you want treated/looked at.

Bottom line, the for-profit healthcare model sucks big time.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The
> spouse has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday.
> Has a virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an
> IV and just gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care
> doctor. She started to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the
> huge dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this visit was only to
> review certain things. Basically just going over the most basic items. So
> you are in a doctors office and they ignore a glaring illness and say you
> would need to make a sick visit rather than this wellness visit? It would
> seem to this recent issue should be addressed on any visit including a
> wellness visit. I use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my
> neck problems, or anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to
> discuss it, only what is on his simpleton agenda for the day.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

I think it's all billing related.
If they schedule an annual check-up, and want to get paid for an annual 
checkup, then that's what they have to do during that appointment.
Maybe she could have said "I'm sick, can we reschedule my physical for 
later and save me from dehydration and illness today instead?"


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Hard to discuss without getting into politics.

I have a very cynical opinion on health care, and I avoid doctors unless I have 
acute symptoms.

I don't really blame the doctors, I blame the big health orgs and complex 
regulations that have made it virtually impossible for a doctor or small group 
to run a private practice.



On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 19:14, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The 
> spouse has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER 
> Sunday. Has a virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. 
> Could not get an IV and just gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit 
> with our primary care doctor. She started to discuss the test results 
> etc from the visit and the huge dehydration problem but he cut her off 
> and said this visit was only to review certain things. Basically just 
> going over the most basic items. So you are in a doctors office and 
> they ignore a glaring illness and say you would need to make a sick 
> visit rather than this wellness visit? It would seem to this recent 
> issue should be addressed on any visit including a wellness visit. I 
> use the same doctor and anytime I want to ask about my neck problems, 
> or anything related to my blood thinners he doesn’t want to discuss it, 
> only what is on his simpleton agenda for the day. 
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 SL320 - 77k miles -$7,500

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On 2022-08-09 19:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Disintegration of wiring insulation in 95 maybe 96

Don’t ask me how I know



Was your 600 a 1995?

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 2003 E320

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Some shrewd negotiation would make that a reasonable deal 

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 6:11 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pretty decent, low miles:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/588068416356142/
> 
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[MBZ] OT doctors

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The spouse has 
been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday. Has a virus and 
very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an IV and just gave 
up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care doctor. She started 
to discuss the test results etc from the visit and the huge dehydration problem 
but he cut her off and said this visit was only to review certain things. 
Basically just going over the most basic items. So you are in a doctors office 
and they ignore a glaring illness and say you would need to make a sick visit 
rather than this wellness visit? It would seem to this recent issue should be 
addressed on any visit including a wellness visit. I use the same doctor and 
anytime I want to ask about my neck problems, or anything related to my blood 
thinners he doesn’t want to discuss it, only what is on his simpleton agenda 
for the day. 

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 SL320 - 77k miles -$7,500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Disintegration of wiring insulation in 95 maybe 96

Don’t ask me how I know

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:08 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-08-09 17:10, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Good looking car, other than the failing headliner in the hard top.
>> https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/d/plainwell-1995-mercedes-sl320/7519310168.html
> 
> Do we have to wait until 1996 to buy a R129?
> I don't recognize the plate. Is it not registered in Michigan?
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 SL320 - 77k miles -$7,500

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On 2022-08-09 17:10, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Good looking car, other than the failing headliner in the hard top.

https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/d/plainwell-1995-mercedes-sl320/7519310168.html


Do we have to wait until 1996 to buy a R129?
I don't recognize the plate. Is it not registered in Michigan?

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[MBZ] Nice 2003 E320

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Pretty decent, low miles:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/588068416356142/

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[MBZ] 1995 SL320 - 77k miles -$7,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Good looking car, other than the failing headliner in the hard top.

https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/d/plainwell-1995-mercedes-sl320/7519310168.html

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

303 Aerospace Protectant.

Not sure how often you would need to reapply.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 15:20, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to 
> protect them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
>> trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks 
>> that are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires 
>> from the UVs.
>>
>> I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor 
>> tires are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the 
>> Super M. Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on 
>> $1200...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
>> got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
>> exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
>> had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
>> past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
>> the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
>> It's your safety, so you decide.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via 
>> Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
>> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
>> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
>> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
>> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>>
>> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
>> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
>> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
>> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
>> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
>> Colorado on those tires?
>>
>> AZBob
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The special sealant is only available in northern climates and it is only
available during the winter months. It's called "snow" and works best when
applied with deep cloud cover that limits sunlight to 3 hrs per day.
"Snow" protectant is supplemented by use of "salt induced deep corrosion
additive" which causes cars to be parked inside all winter and only driven
during "High Mosquito season" .
[Sarcasm intended].. ;))

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to
> protect them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of
> pickup trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow
> trucks that are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the
> tires from the UVs.
> >
> > I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor
> tires are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the
> Super M. Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on
> $1200...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob
> just got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  > wrote:
> >
> > As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The
> UV
> > exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
> > had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
> > past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway
> speed,
> > the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
> > It's your safety, so you decide.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
> > the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for
> cracking,
> > and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes  
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV
> are
> > the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would
> age
> > tires much faster than here in the PNW.
> >
> > I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> > that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> > miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> > When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> > Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> > Colorado on those tires?
> >
> > AZBob
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

303 offers a “tire protectant and balm” product that blocks UV, but if it was 
exposed to the elements I suspect you would have to reapply regularly.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to protect 
> them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
>> trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks 
>> that are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires 
>> from the UVs.
>> 
>> I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor 
>> tires are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the 
>> Super M. Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on 
>> $1200...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
>> got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
>> exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
>> had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
>> past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
>> the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
>> It's your safety, so you decide.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via 
>> Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
>> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
>> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
>> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
>> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>> 
>> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
>> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
>> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
>> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
>> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
>> Colorado on those tires?
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to 
protect them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.


Randy


On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks that 
are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires from the 
UVs.

I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor tires 
are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the Super M. 
Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on $1200...

-Curt




On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:





Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob




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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks that 
are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires from the 
UVs.

I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor tires 
are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the Super M. 
Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on $1200...

-Curt




On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It looks like they do still offer their "Flexee" lease -- in fact IIRC it was 
originally envisioned as the only way they would sell their cars but it seems 
you can now buy one outright if you want to. Or at least pre-order one, as the 
cars aren't actually available.



On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 13:48, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Do they still offer their open-ended lease, return it whenever you want?
>
> I don't really see that on their website anymore.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 12:16, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> A Fisker Ocean EV with a binding purchase agreement signed in 2022 would
>> qualify, even though they are manufactured in Austria.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[G Mann via Mercedes]

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

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> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>
> -D
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>
> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>
> Greg
>
> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> Colorado on those tires?
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

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My F150 owners manual says 7 years, then replace regardless of miles. Our
truck spends most of the time in the garage and only has 19,000 miles, so
I'm going to go 10 years, then look at them closely.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:46 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>
> -D
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>
> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>
> Greg
>
> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> Colorado on those tires?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit

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Do they still offer their open-ended lease, return it whenever you want?

I don't really see that on their website anymore.



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> A Fisker Ocean EV with a binding purchase agreement signed in 2022 would
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

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I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect the 
sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking, and if 
they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

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I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> Colorado on those tires?
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

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I guess Michelin says you can go up to 10 years, depending on many factors.

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/auto-tips-and-advice/tire-buying-guide/when-do-i-need-new-tires



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> IIRC, 5 or 6 years is the recommended age to replace tires regardless 
> of tread wear.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 13:08, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it 
>> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k 
>> miles put on them. They are wearing well. 
>> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? 
>> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to 
>> Colorado on those tires?
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

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IIRC, 5 or 6 years is the recommended age to replace tires regardless of tread 
wear.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 13:08, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it 
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k 
> miles put on them. They are wearing well. 
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? 
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to 
> Colorado on those tires?
>
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

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You don’t want that old truck with old tires. Drop it off at Okie Acres. 

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it that 
> were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k miles put 
> on them. They are wearing well. 
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? Citing 
> that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to Colorado on 
> those tires?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit

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A Fisker Ocean EV with a binding purchase agreement signed in 2022 would
qualify, even though they are manufactured in Austria.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:14 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> I’m watching this to see if the new solar tax credit is a better deal than
> the current one (26%). I can’t make the numbers work at present, but I
> might be able to for another 4%.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you're thinking about going electric this is some interesting news.
> You can draw your own conclusions.
> >
> >
> > "A tax credit of up to $7,500 could be used to defray the cost of an
> electric vehicle under the Inflation Reduction Act now moving toward final
> approval in Congress. But the auto industry is warning that the vast
> majority of EV purchases won’t qualify for a tax credit that large.
> >
> > That’s mainly because of the bill’s requirement that, to qualify for the
> credit, an electric vehicle must contain a battery built in North America
> with minerals mined or recycled on the continent."
> >
> >
> > Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it that 
were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k miles put on 
them. They are wearing well. 
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? Citing 
that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to Colorado on those 
tires?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] hidden door pockets for a 9mm etc Brand new Full slammedenuff air side 1993 Mercedes-Benz 500sel Sedan 4D, $12, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I did actually kinda like the paint job, somewhat subdued and 
complements the car.  My dad got a 66 Bonneville in maroon, I learned to 
drive in it (389 4BBL holy shite!) and I always liked that color.


Yes, that Mazda paint is wild, it is almost blinding to see it in the 
full sun.  Must have glass microbeads in it or something that reflects 
some specific light wavelengths.  I saw a Ford or something recently 
that had similar paint though not quite as bright.


--FT

On 8/9/22 11:02 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I like the paint. The rest of it, meh. Not to mention it’s a pre-facelift W140.

Speaking of paint, I’ve noticed that Mazda has a metallic red color on some of 
their current models that is absolutely stunning.

https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/the-mazda-way/design/soul-red-crystal/

-D


On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
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One must ask why...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/844668516957472

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[MBZ] 2002 S430 - 140k miles - $9,875

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No pics, crackhead price for a 20 year old car with rust.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/harrisburg-2002-mercedes-s430-for-sale/7519116211.html

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Re: [MBZ] Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit

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I’m watching this to see if the new solar tax credit is a better deal than the 
current one (26%). I can’t make the numbers work at present, but I might be 
able to for another 4%.

-D



> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you're thinking about going electric this is some interesting news.  You 
> can draw your own conclusions.
> 
> 
> "A tax credit of up to $7,500 could be used to defray the cost of an electric 
> vehicle under the Inflation Reduction Act now moving toward final approval in 
> Congress. But the auto industry is warning that the vast majority of EV 
> purchases won’t qualify for a tax credit that large.
> 
> That’s mainly because of the bill’s requirement that, to qualify for the 
> credit, an electric vehicle must contain a battery built in North America 
> with minerals mined or recycled on the continent."
> 
> 
> Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hidden door pockets for a 9mm etc Brand new Full slammedenuff air side 1993 Mercedes-Benz 500sel Sedan 4D, $12, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I like the paint. The rest of it, meh. Not to mention it’s a pre-facelift W140.

Speaking of paint, I’ve noticed that Mazda has a metallic red color on some of 
their current models that is absolutely stunning.

https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/the-mazda-way/design/soul-red-crystal/

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One must ask why...
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/844668516957472
> 
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[MBZ] Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

If you're thinking about going electric this is some interesting news.  
You can draw your own conclusions.



"A tax credit of up to $7,500 could be used to defray the cost of an 
electric vehicle under the Inflation Reduction Act now moving toward 
final approval in Congress. But the auto industry is warning that the 
vast majority of EV purchases won’t qualify for a tax credit that large.


That’s mainly because of the bill’s requirement that, to qualify for the 
credit, an electric vehicle must contain a battery built in North 
America with minerals mined or recycled on the continent."



 Most electric vehicles won’t qualify for federal tax credit


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[MBZ] hidden door pockets for a 9mm etc Brand new Full slammedenuff air side 1993 Mercedes-Benz 500sel Sedan 4D, $12, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

One must ask why...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/844668516957472

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[MBZ] 2000 Mercedes-Benz sta,$2,250

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

AMG wheels worth half the value, doesn't look too bad

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/434263045422616

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[MBZ] mercedes s600 v12 on 22s 2001 Mercedes-Benz s-class Amg, $3, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Has some issues nothing major [YAH RITE] my wife drives it every day

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/586539796184790

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