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Re: [MBZ] 910mi estate R129

What will you offer?

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. AZ is Death on Batteries

2023-09-18 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes


On 2023-09-18 21:19, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
It does seem to have the telepathic ability to turn a traffic light 
green at the same time it shuts off the engine.



My Cruze had a fantastic method of increasing wear and tear.
It shuts down when you come to a complete stop with the brake lights on 
and the car in gear. For bonus stupidity points, it restarts when you 
take it out of gear.


Imagine the brilliance of this:
1. Pull into parking space and stop.
2. Engine shuts down.
3. Put gear selector in park.
4. Engine starts up.
5. Turn ignition off.
6. Engine shuts down.

So to counteract that, I'd kill the ignition before putting it in park.
That confused it and made it beep at me when I got out and shut the 
door.


So finally I gave up on the whole start-stop function.
1. Start engine.
2. Place gear selector in manual.
3. Hit the gear up button 5 times to select M6.
When in 'manual' mode, start-stop doesn't engage. And in this particular 
car, manual mode just allows you to select a maximum gear. In my mom's 
Malibu, manual is truly manual, if you select M3 it starts out in third.


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Re: [MBZ] Good deal?

Totally if you have natgas

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[MBZ] Good deal?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/982484513051241/?mibextid=6ojiHh


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Re: [MBZ] Car has been well loved by mice

Why was it parked up?

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 10:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Sounds like an extra zero in the price.
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[MBZ] Car has been well loved by mice

No pics of car or mice.

Sounds like an extra zero in the price.

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Re: [MBZ] The meth is strong tonight

Delusional 

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[MBZ] 910mi estate R129

Appears to be legit

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Re: [MBZ] PC

Actually it was this one I’m looking at, I think it fits the bill.HP Z4 G4 Workstation Xeon W-2125 4.0GHz 64GB 512GB SSD +3TB K2000 WIFI WIN 11ebay.comDoes this look good?Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote:Ok got ya; I have seen those. I saw this and saved it thinking it was $349, but see it’s actually $549. Looked great though.HP Z4 G4 Workstation Xeon W-2235 3.8GHz, 32GB, 2x 2TB SSD, P400, Win 11 Pro - VGebay.comSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2023, at 8:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:For a desktop machine I'd go with something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175874607658?hash=item28f2f18a2a:g:T9EAAOSwkwNk8HHB=enc%3AAQAI0FOsKwtEQnKBXTX%2BPQptGXq1l4%2FhmNsQzAnJTMJFwkKCP29Oi4k4WMHZaMlqj%2BUo3mGDbClGcnLxUxUBicauQGvy596OAt31SFCLIvzhrRNCqFf%2FdrxC7gDnkKtoCUXp6e%2B%2F0veOEUhJriSbegQfJiPxa1n%2FaitqJSJIIX3U%2B8wLdO9J9sIajWIQp5hAm95EA7scTe7yhvtwqdyprc9IUnbb30M43H7d2Y3cgBKgWF1w8wim6NsuIbZ3oAVVRzw2s98nExo7t2bUpWJFbUMioJI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMtOfyrtVi32GB RAM, the only thing I don't like is that its only a quad core processor. Probably plenty for a normal person looking to just do some regular computing.There are a bunch of them on eBay, some with more processor, less/more RAM, bigger/smaller drives. Pick one that fits your budget.For reference until last spring Angie's business ran on an HP XW8200 from pre-2005, as in I don't really remember how old it was but it can't be newer than that. I remember getting my boss to buy it. It was the first machine I ever used with SATA as standard. Cost around $3500 as I recall.-CurtOn Monday, September 18, 2023 at 08:51:40 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out of the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec these days. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be looking at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several revisions using that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on eBay for a machine that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the end time is neigh-CurtOn Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes wrote: I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. --- Original Message ---On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option is to try to have to reinstall windows.Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might work?Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives externally to recover data.Anyone have any thoughts on this?Sent from my iPhone___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives

Re: [MBZ] O.T. AZ is Death on Batteries

It does seem to have the telepathic ability to turn a traffic light green at 
the same time it shuts off the engine.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, at 17:18, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> About 90% of the time I remember to mash the button to disable 
> it….before it shuts off reminding me I forgot to mash it. 
>
> AZBob
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>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 2:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> The rental Jeep I had at the ChowdahQ a few years back had that stupid 
>> feature. I hate it, drives me nuts and I’m still unconvinced that it saves 
>> anything in the long run.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Most cars have (had?) the ability to shut off that "shut down while 
>>> sitting" malarkey.
>>> 
>>> I don't think anybody really believes it helps anything.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 05:05:08 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was driving around in Mrs.Bob‘s Subaru today while she sat with her 
>>> mother at hospice. On two separate occasions, it almost did not start from 
>>> the stop/start ridiculousness that occurs when coming to a traffic light. I 
>>> called the Subaru store, told him I was coming in because I knew the 
>>> battery was still under warranty and it was crapping out.
>>> Got  got it in pretty much instantly, they verified the battery was dying, 
>>> and I got a brand new free one and I was sent on my way. 
>>> While being observant while waiting in the service waiting area, I learned 
>>> the three other people were there getting their batteries replaced as well. 
>>> When I signed the papers and grabbed my keys, I was talking to the Subie 
>>> boy about it and he said that they have replaced about 10 to 15 batteries a 
>>> day over the last month or so. The last two months of Arizona has killed 
>>> more batteries than they care to even think about he said.
>>> Oh AZ…. it won’t rust your car out but it’ll get you in many, many 
>>> different ways.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

I don’t do any gaming etc, mostly just normal computing stuff, mainly data 
storage I guess. Although the ability to game would be nice. Something that is 
going to last a long time. Talking desktop, not laptop. 

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 7:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Desktop or laptop? What do you want to do on it? Web surfing, email, gaming, 
> streaming?
> 
> Most consumer systems are commodities, clustered around common 
> configurations. What you want to use it for really determines what to buy.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out 
>> of the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec 
>> these days. 
>> 
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 On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be 
>>> looking at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several 
>>> revisions using that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on 
>>> eBay for a machine that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...
>>> 
>>> Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. 
>>> As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because 
>>> the end time is neigh
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
 On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes 
  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
>>> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
>>> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- Original Message ---
> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

 My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or 
 more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded 
 the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of 
 months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and 
 stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the 
 cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At 
 one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also 
 ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to 
 PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when 
 trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.

 Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
 without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the 
 time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even 
 load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only 
 option is to try to have to reinstall windows.

 Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
 appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads 
 for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows 
 it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says 
 drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software 
 that might work?

 Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just 
 order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or 
 just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these 
 seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that 
 makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect 
 these drives externally to recover data.

 Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Re: [MBZ] PC

Ok got ya; I have seen those. I saw this and saved it thinking it was $349, but see it’s actually $549. Looked great though.HP Z4 G4 Workstation Xeon W-2235 3.8GHz, 32GB, 2x 2TB SSD, P400, Win 11 Pro - VGebay.comSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2023, at 8:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:For a desktop machine I'd go with something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175874607658?hash=item28f2f18a2a:g:T9EAAOSwkwNk8HHB=enc%3AAQAI0FOsKwtEQnKBXTX%2BPQptGXq1l4%2FhmNsQzAnJTMJFwkKCP29Oi4k4WMHZaMlqj%2BUo3mGDbClGcnLxUxUBicauQGvy596OAt31SFCLIvzhrRNCqFf%2FdrxC7gDnkKtoCUXp6e%2B%2F0veOEUhJriSbegQfJiPxa1n%2FaitqJSJIIX3U%2B8wLdO9J9sIajWIQp5hAm95EA7scTe7yhvtwqdyprc9IUnbb30M43H7d2Y3cgBKgWF1w8wim6NsuIbZ3oAVVRzw2s98nExo7t2bUpWJFbUMioJI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMtOfyrtVi32GB RAM, the only thing I don't like is that its only a quad core processor. Probably plenty for a normal person looking to just do some regular computing.There are a bunch of them on eBay, some with more processor, less/more RAM, bigger/smaller drives. Pick one that fits your budget.For reference until last spring Angie's business ran on an HP XW8200 from pre-2005, as in I don't really remember how old it was but it can't be newer than that. I remember getting my boss to buy it. It was the first machine I ever used with SATA as standard. Cost around $3500 as I recall.-CurtOn Monday, September 18, 2023 at 08:51:40 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out of the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec these days. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be looking at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several revisions using that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on eBay for a machine that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the end time is neigh-CurtOn Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes wrote: I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. --- Original Message ---On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option is to try to have to reinstall windows.Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might work?Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives externally to recover data.Anyone have any thoughts on this?Sent from my iPhone___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To

Re: [MBZ] PC

For a desktop machine I'd go with something like this: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175874607658?hash=item28f2f18a2a:g:T9EAAOSwkwNk8HHB=enc%3AAQAI0FOsKwtEQnKBXTX%2BPQptGXq1l4%2FhmNsQzAnJTMJFwkKCP29Oi4k4WMHZaMlqj%2BUo3mGDbClGcnLxUxUBicauQGvy596OAt31SFCLIvzhrRNCqFf%2FdrxC7gDnkKtoCUXp6e%2B%2F0veOEUhJriSbegQfJiPxa1n%2FaitqJSJIIX3U%2B8wLdO9J9sIajWIQp5hAm95EA7scTe7yhvtwqdyprc9IUnbb30M43H7d2Y3cgBKgWF1w8wim6NsuIbZ3oAVVRzw2s98nExo7t2bUpWJFbUMioJI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMtOfyrtVi

32GB RAM, the only thing I don't like is that its only a quad core processor. 
Probably plenty for a normal person looking to just do some regular computing.
There are a bunch of them on eBay, some with more processor, less/more RAM, 
bigger/smaller drives. Pick one that fits your budget.

For reference until last spring Angie's business ran on an HP XW8200 from 
pre-2005, as in I don't really remember how old it was but it can't be newer 
than that. I remember getting my boss to buy it. It was the first machine I 
ever used with SATA as standard. Cost around $3500 as I recall.

-Curt




On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 08:51:40 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out of 
the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec these 
days. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be looking 
> at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several revisions using 
> that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on eBay for a machine 
> that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...
> 
> Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. 
> As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the 
> end time is neigh
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t 
>> even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the 
>> last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where 
>> you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I 
>> finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there 
>> and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>> 
>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>> 
>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
>> work?
>> 
>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
>> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
>> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
>> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>> externally to recover data.
>> 
>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

Desktop or laptop? What do you want to do on it? Web surfing, email, gaming, 
streaming?

Most consumer systems are commodities, clustered around common configurations. 
What you want to use it for really determines what to buy.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out of 
> the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec these 
> days. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be 
>> looking at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several 
>> revisions using that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on 
>> eBay for a machine that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...
>> 
>> Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. 
>> As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the 
>> end time is neigh
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
>> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
>> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
 On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos 
>>> wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one 
>>> point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered 
>>> a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With 
>>> SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to 
>>> access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>>> 
>>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>>> 
>>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that 
>>> might work?
>>> 
>>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy 
>>> a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so 
>>> cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the 
>>> most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>>> externally to recover data.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out of 
the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec these 
days. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be looking 
> at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several revisions using 
> that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on eBay for a machine 
> that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...
> 
> Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. 
> As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the 
> end time is neigh
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t 
>> even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the 
>> last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where 
>> you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I 
>> finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there 
>> and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>> 
>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>> 
>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
>> work?
>> 
>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
>> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
>> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
>> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>> externally to recover data.
>> 
>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

I carpooled with a guy who bought a Ford Maverick new. A real POS for sure.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 5:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At least he’s predictable!
>
> I got my Maverick in the spring, and the next winter I hit a patch of ice
> on a curve in our street and slammed into a very large oak tree. Totaled
> the car. After a few months to recover financially I “graduated” to a
> Beetle convertible. A few years later I got my Mom’s hand-me-down 1970-1/2
> Ford Pinto hatchback in bright orange. Drove the Pinto for several years
> and then sold it.
>
> Ford stood me up on the recall for the gas tank “shield”, causing me to
> lose a whole day of work sitting around waiting for them to install the
> part, which no one was able to find. I refused to go back, and they were so
> rabid about that recall that they eventually had the car flat bedded to the
> dealer and back to my house when it was done.
>
> Jerks.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > My dad's was a heap, barely ran at best.
> >
> > The worst part is he sold it to get a Vega. This was when my mom drove a
> Pinto.
> >
> > After the Pinto got wrecked they got a Lynx which was a Mercury badged
> Escort. Dad replaced the Vega with a Tempo. The Lynx was rusted completely
> out within 5 years.
> >
> > I've learned, whatever my dad think is a good car, is not a good car.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:45:23 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My first car was a 1970 Maverick two-door. Great car, very spartan, with
> just heat and an AM radio with a “three on the tree” shifter.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had a Maverick in the early '80s.
> >>
> >> The new pickup thing could be the greatest car in the world. I'll NEVER
> have one. I'd rather walk...
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:30:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Like the new Ford “Maverick”?
> >>
> >> The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the
> demographic they’re aiming for.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
>  disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name
> so if
>  we slap that name on it people will like it."
> 
>  You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what
> they've
>  made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
> 
>  -Curt
> 
>  On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
>  Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on
> the
>  road today.
> 
>  Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
>  whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the
> traditional
>  Mustang design.
> 
> 
>  On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
> >> compliment).
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
>  On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
> 
> 
>  <
> >>>
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
> 
>  [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>  2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
> >>> automotive sale - craigslist<
> >>>
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
> 
>  tampa.craigslist.org<
> >>>
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

So what models should I be looking for a what is a good price?

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:53 PM, MB list etc via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It comes installed on the HD from the seller. I clone it to the SSD, make 
> sure it boots, then format the HD. I use AOMEI Backupper for the cloning. 
> YMMV. FYI - Curt turned me on to the HP workstations.
> 
> --- Original Message ---
>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could be 
>> installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That was 
>> windows 7 though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
>>> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
>>> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data.
>>> 
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>> 
 On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or 
 more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded 
 the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of 
 months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and 
 stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the 
 cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At 
 one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also 
 ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to 
 PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when 
 trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.

 Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
 without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the 
 time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even 
 load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only 
 option is to try to have to reinstall windows.

 Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
 appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads 
 for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows 
 it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says 
 drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software 
 that might work?

 Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just 
 order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or 
 just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these 
 seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that 
 makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect 
 these drives externally to recover data.

 Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] PC

My wife has the Costco M1 MBP, I'm keeping an eye on it.  She's been happy so 
far,
she bought it after her MBP (Intel, hot) fried its GPU.  (A not-uncommon event 
for a
certain vintage MBP, and the big reason my son's college MBP was the 13" model,
which doesn't have a separate GPU.  Longer battery life, cooler, and less 
likely to
break.  But not so good for games, and old enough not to be a particular theft 
target.
Aww, too bad little baby's school computer sucks for games.  Yeah, that was no
accident on my part...)

> to jump to 16GB would have nearly doubled the price.

Yes, ouch.  16GB is a bare minimum, yet is the HW maximum.  That's not 
attractive.

> application memory warning, which the OS handles quite well, so they clearly 
> anticipated the issue.

I imagine.  I can see Apple's HW guys going "you ain't gonna see anything more 
than 16GB for
awhile, if ever", and the SW guys getting serious about more efficient and 
effective use of RAM.

> I run (ran) VirtualBox for my EPC and WIS. They don’t have a solid release 
> for Apple silicon yet,

This requires QEMU-like technology doesn't it?  Currently all other VM 
environments are just
mapping environments, relying on the native CPU to do all the heavy lifting.  
NFG for cross-
architecture emulation.

> these last Mac Pros like ours are still quite strong when it comes to the 
> hardware.

Arguably the best machines they've ever made.  In terms of capability, 
expandability, and
effective longevity.  I'm sure I'll miss mine, when the time inevitably comes.

> I’ve got the VESA adapters for them [30" Cinema], which are now pretty much 
> unobtanium.

You referring to Apple's mDP-DDVI adapters?  I have three.  The last one was 
for my son's
13" schoolwork MBP, so he could drive the big monitor when at home.  Since he 
dropped out
he rarely uses the laptop, the monitor's connected directly to his Windows PC 
for gaming.
(He upgraded recently, from a MP 5,2 that booted to Windows 10, to some used 
gaming PC.)

He likes that just fine!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] PC

2023-09-18 Thread MB list etc via Mercedes

It comes installed on the HD from the seller. I clone it to the SSD, make sure 
it boots, then format the HD. I use AOMEI Backupper for the cloning. YMMV. FYI 
- Curt turned me on to the HP workstations.

--- Original Message ---
On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


> 
> 
> Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could be 
> installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That was windows 
> 7 though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> > 
> > I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
> > workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
> > installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data.
> > 
> > --- Original Message ---
> > 
> > > On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or 
> > > more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded 
> > > the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of 
> > > months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and 
> > > stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the 
> > > cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At 
> > > one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also 
> > > ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to 
> > > PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when 
> > > trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not 
> > > accessible.
> > > 
> > > Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
> > > without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the 
> > > time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even 
> > > load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only 
> > > option is to try to have to reinstall windows.
> > > 
> > > Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
> > > appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads 
> > > for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows 
> > > it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says 
> > > drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software 
> > > that might work?
> > > 
> > > Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just 
> > > order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or 
> > > just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these 
> > > seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that 
> > > makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect 
> > > these drives externally to recover data.
> > > 
> > > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

> 16GB RAM, 10 cores, so not so great for VM support but I've got a VM farm 
> with 96 cores and 2TB of RAM for that...

I suppose I could 'force' work to provide a VM farm, and the 4 developers
could share it, and whatever feeble chromebook you wanted to carry around
would be all you'd need.  But, that's money to be sure, and now I need 
continuous
connectivity in order to do anything.  Timesharing big iron again?  Not really 
what
I'd prefer.  I prefer local development resources, and only connecting, through
whatever tin cans and string are necessary and available, when transmitting
final results.

My boss is using Starlink.  It works beautifully.  Except when it doesn't.  Not
really to my taste.  My 802.11-whatever is a lot slower, but more reliable and
predictable.  Sometimes my boss calls me, and has me apply the changes
he made, because he can't get a full upload done from where/when he is.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. AZ is Death on Batteries

2023-09-18 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

About 90% of the time I remember to mash the button to disable it….before it 
shuts off reminding me I forgot to mash it. 

AZBob

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 2:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The rental Jeep I had at the ChowdahQ a few years back had that stupid 
> feature. I hate it, drives me nuts and I’m still unconvinced that it saves 
> anything in the long run.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Most cars have (had?) the ability to shut off that "shut down while sitting" 
>> malarkey.
>> 
>> I don't think anybody really believes it helps anything.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 05:05:08 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was driving around in Mrs.Bob‘s Subaru today while she sat with her mother 
>> at hospice. On two separate occasions, it almost did not start from the 
>> stop/start ridiculousness that occurs when coming to a traffic light. I 
>> called the Subaru store, told him I was coming in because I knew the battery 
>> was still under warranty and it was crapping out.
>> Got  got it in pretty much instantly, they verified the battery was dying, 
>> and I got a brand new free one and I was sent on my way. 
>> While being observant while waiting in the service waiting area, I learned 
>> the three other people were there getting their batteries replaced as well. 
>> When I signed the papers and grabbed my keys, I was talking to the Subie boy 
>> about it and he said that they have replaced about 10 to 15 batteries a day 
>> over the last month or so. The last two months of Arizona has killed more 
>> batteries than they care to even think about he said.
>> Oh AZ…. it won’t rust your car out but it’ll get you in many, many different 
>> ways.
>> 
>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. AZ is Death on Batteries

The rental Jeep I had at the ChowdahQ a few years back had that stupid feature. 
I hate it, drives me nuts and I’m still unconvinced that it saves anything in 
the long run.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most cars have (had?) the ability to shut off that "shut down while sitting" 
> malarkey.
> 
> I don't think anybody really believes it helps anything.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 05:05:08 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was driving around in Mrs.Bob‘s Subaru today while she sat with her mother 
> at hospice. On two separate occasions, it almost did not start from the 
> stop/start ridiculousness that occurs when coming to a traffic light. I 
> called the Subaru store, told him I was coming in because I knew the battery 
> was still under warranty and it was crapping out.
> Got  got it in pretty much instantly, they verified the battery was dying, 
> and I got a brand new free one and I was sent on my way. 
> While being observant while waiting in the service waiting area, I learned 
> the three other people were there getting their batteries replaced as well. 
> When I signed the papers and grabbed my keys, I was talking to the Subie boy 
> about it and he said that they have replaced about 10 to 15 batteries a day 
> over the last month or so. The last two months of Arizona has killed more 
> batteries than they care to even think about he said.
> Oh AZ…. it won’t rust your car out but it’ll get you in many, many different 
> ways.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

At least he’s predictable!

I got my Maverick in the spring, and the next winter I hit a patch of ice on a 
curve in our street and slammed into a very large oak tree. Totaled the car. 
After a few months to recover financially I “graduated” to a Beetle 
convertible. A few years later I got my Mom’s hand-me-down 1970-1/2 Ford Pinto 
hatchback in bright orange. Drove the Pinto for several years and then sold it.

Ford stood me up on the recall for the gas tank “shield”, causing me to lose a 
whole day of work sitting around waiting for them to install the part, which no 
one was able to find. I refused to go back, and they were so rabid about that 
recall that they eventually had the car flat bedded to the dealer and back to 
my house when it was done.

Jerks.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> My dad's was a heap, barely ran at best.
> 
> The worst part is he sold it to get a Vega. This was when my mom drove a 
> Pinto.
> 
> After the Pinto got wrecked they got a Lynx which was a Mercury badged 
> Escort. Dad replaced the Vega with a Tempo. The Lynx was rusted completely 
> out within 5 years.
> 
> I've learned, whatever my dad think is a good car, is not a good car.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:45:23 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My first car was a 1970 Maverick two-door. Great car, very spartan, with just 
> heat and an AM radio with a “three on the tree” shifter.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> My dad had a Maverick in the early '80s. 
>> 
>> The new pickup thing could be the greatest car in the world. I'll NEVER have 
>> one. I'd rather walk...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:30:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Like the new Ford “Maverick”?
>> 
>> The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the 
>> demographic they’re aiming for.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
 disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
 we slap that name on it people will like it."
 
 You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
 made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
 Mercedes  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
 road today.
 
 Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
 whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
 Mustang design.
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
>> compliment).
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
 
 
 <
>>> 
 https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
 [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
>>> automotive sale - craigslist<
>>> 
 https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
 tampa.craigslist.org<
>>> 
 https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

Correct on the M1/M2 Minis. Mine is a refurb with 8 cores, 8GB of RAM, and a 
512GB SSD. Not my ideal setup, especially coming from a machine that had pretty 
much unlimited (128GB) RAM, but I was balancing a price/performance approach. 
It cost me around $650 and to jump to 16GB would have nearly doubled the price.

I’ve had one instance where I got an application memory warning, which the OS 
handles quite well, so they clearly anticipated the issue. I started running 
the activity monitor and keeping half an eye on it to see who the hogs were. 
Mainly Safari. So I’ve changed my browsing habits a little, but it hasn’t been 
an inconvenience.

I run (ran) VirtualBox for my EPC and WIS. They don’t have a solid release for 
Apple silicon yet, so I use my 13” MacBook Air to run it when I have to look 
something up. A bit of an inconvenience, but it’s not like I’m in the EPC every 
day, either.

I’m all about keeping legacy hardware running when possible, especially when 
it’s something as powerful as a Mac Pro, but I couldn’t deal with some of the 
issues I was having and still consider it a viable platform for work. It’s a 
bummer because these last Mac Pros like ours are still quite strong when it 
comes to the hardware.

"My name is Dan, and I’m a 30" Apple Cinema Display hoarder."

I have six of them. Four in Florida and two in Arizona, with two of the FL ones 
being backups. I see them come up on Craigslist around here on occasion and 
they’re usually priced reasonably. I’ve been giving serious thought as to how I 
could set four of them up together. I’ve got the VESA adapters for them, which 
are now pretty much unobtanium.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> The M1/M2 Apples look intriguing, but they really don't have enough
> memory for (some of) what I do.  With 12 cores and 48GB of RAM in
> the MP I can simulate an entire Park at once, should I need to.  I can
> probably run 6-10 simultaneous VMs, which is more than enough.  Need
> even more VMs?  Well, the MP can hold maybe 96GB of RAM if I need
> it to.  I doubt I ever shall.
> 
> Also, I need Intel Windows, because that's what the Park is using.
> You can't do this via VM cross-architecture, not at this time.  And it's
> best if I'm running Intel Linux, since that is what the Park is using.
> I can (and do) upload binaries I've tested at home directly to the Park.
> So, Intel host hardware, no choice.
> 
> For _personal_ use an M1/M2 Mac would be just dandy, but I've already
> got these MP, MBP and Mini Intel assets, and backups for same.  No need
> to waste money, or have to carry more crap around.  The next Mac I buy
> could well be M1/M2, but who knows when that might be?
> 
> We have four 30" Cinema displays here: one for each resident, with one
> in reserve.  They are very nice displays!  Well worth preserving.  Mine is
> hooked to a 4-port KVM, and four source computers.
> 
> I have three OWC docks for my MBP, one in each of its stationary locations.
> Keyboards, displays, and mice also.  On the road I make do with the bare
> laptop, but that's not very satisfactory, and drove the dock installations for
> the places I was most likely to go.  I don't have a spare MBP, but am using
> a mini as a backup for it.  It's fairly portable, to the dock-bearing 
> locations
> (home, camper, cabin) anyway, and vastly cheaper than a laptop.
> 
> So long as VMware (that runs on my MP) can run the latest Linux I have
> access to 'current' browsers, and needn't be driven off of this hardware.
> We're using 20.04 and 22.04 Ubuntu currently.
> 
> Part of my job is being on call, which means I need to be fairly close in time
> to providing useful technical support.  (Translation: newly-fixed software.)
> So, defense in depth is fully warranted.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jim and others,
>> 
>> I just recently migrated to a Mac Mini M2 as a replacement for my 2010 Mac 
>> Pro “cheesegrater” with 128GB RAM, dual 3.5 GHz processors, multiple drives, 
>> etc., etc.
>> 
>> I was forced to move up to a platform that would support later versions of 
>> web browsers so I could work from home. As Jim probably knows, there is an 
>> “emulator” for lack of a better description, known as “OpenCore”, that would 
>> allow me to run current Mac OS’ on my cheesegraters (I have a total of 4, 
>> but only two were in service.) However, while these appear to work just 
>> fine, I found there to be stability issues with some applications. Not good 
>> for a work computer.
>> 
>> Even with my M2 Mini I have an external spindle drive (6TB WD Gold 
>> enterprise class) that my TimeMachine backups are stored on. It used to 
>> “live” in the Mac Pro. The Mini has a 512 GB SSD which will die long before 
>> the spindle drive will, I’m betting (and yes, I got AppleCare!)
>> 
>> This is an aside for Jim and any other legacy Macs:
>> 
>> I wanted to keep my 30” Cinema Displays, which are

Re: [MBZ] PC

I've got an M1 Macbook Pro. Gotta say it's 100% improved from the previous 
generation.

Before this I had a butterfly keyboard touchbar Mac. The first laptop I ever 
got that wasn't as good as the computer it replaced. I'd had an early Retina 
Macbook that was the bee's knees. I loved it. Sadly 5 years on the road 
murdered the logic board.

16GB RAM, 10 cores, so not so great for VM support but I've got a VM farm with 
96 cores and 2TB of RAM for that...

-Curt

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 05:09:14 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

The M1/M2 Apples look intriguing, but they really don't have enough
memory for (some of) what I do.  With 12 cores and 48GB of RAM in
the MP I can simulate an entire Park at once, should I need to.  I can
probably run 6-10 simultaneous VMs, which is more than enough.  Need
even more VMs?  Well, the MP can hold maybe 96GB of RAM if I need
it to.  I doubt I ever shall.

Also, I need Intel Windows, because that's what the Park is using.
You can't do this via VM cross-architecture, not at this time.  And it's
best if I'm running Intel Linux, since that is what the Park is using.
I can (and do) upload binaries I've tested at home directly to the Park.
So, Intel host hardware, no choice.

For _personal_ use an M1/M2 Mac would be just dandy, but I've already
got these MP, MBP and Mini Intel assets, and backups for same.  No need
to waste money, or have to carry more crap around.  The next Mac I buy
could well be M1/M2, but who knows when that might be?

We have four 30" Cinema displays here: one for each resident, with one
in reserve.  They are very nice displays!  Well worth preserving.  Mine is
hooked to a 4-port KVM, and four source computers.

I have three OWC docks for my MBP, one in each of its stationary locations.
Keyboards, displays, and mice also.  On the road I make do with the bare
laptop, but that's not very satisfactory, and drove the dock installations for
the places I was most likely to go.  I don't have a spare MBP, but am using
a mini as a backup for it.  It's fairly portable, to the dock-bearing locations
(home, camper, cabin) anyway, and vastly cheaper than a laptop.

So long as VMware (that runs on my MP) can run the latest Linux I have
access to 'current' browsers, and needn't be driven off of this hardware.
We're using 20.04 and 22.04 Ubuntu currently.

Part of my job is being on call, which means I need to be fairly close in time
to providing useful technical support.  (Translation: newly-fixed software.)
So, defense in depth is fully warranted.

-- Jim

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jim and others,
> 
> I just recently migrated to a Mac Mini M2 as a replacement for my 2010 Mac 
> Pro “cheesegrater” with 128GB RAM, dual 3.5 GHz processors, multiple drives, 
> etc., etc.
> 
> I was forced to move up to a platform that would support later versions of 
> web browsers so I could work from home. As Jim probably knows, there is an 
> “emulator” for lack of a better description, known as “OpenCore”, that would 
> allow me to run current Mac OS’ on my cheesegraters (I have a total of 4, but 
> only two were in service.) However, while these appear to work just fine, I 
> found there to be stability issues with some applications. Not good for a 
> work computer.
> 
> Even with my M2 Mini I have an external spindle drive (6TB WD Gold enterprise 
> class) that my TimeMachine backups are stored on. It used to “live” in the 
> Mac Pro. The Mini has a 512 GB SSD which will die long before the spindle 
> drive will, I’m betting (and yes, I got AppleCare!)
> 
> This is an aside for Jim and any other legacy Macs:
> 
> I wanted to keep my 30” Cinema Displays, which are DVI+ interface. I found 
> some Thunderbolt to DVI+ adapters on Amazon for about $65/each, and they work 
> quite well. The only issue is that the Mini only has two USB C/Thunderbolt 
> ports. I bought an OWC external drive enclosure/hub that gives me additional 
> ports and a place for my 6TB TimeMachine spindle drive along with a 2TB SSD 
> for good measure. I use the SSD for storing pictures, music, and documents to 
> unload storage from the boot SSD on the Mini. These are also backed up to the 
> TimeMachine spindle drive.
> 
> All in all, the transition was quite simple and has worked well. What’s even 
> better is that I can put the Mini and the external drive/hub in my backpack 
> and take them when I travel, making moving between locations a lot easier!

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. AZ is Death on Batteries

Most cars have (had?) the ability to shut off that "shut down while sitting" 
malarkey.

I don't think anybody really believes it helps anything.

-Curt


On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 05:05:08 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I was driving around in Mrs.Bob‘s Subaru today while she sat with her mother at 
hospice. On two separate occasions, it almost did not start from the stop/start 
ridiculousness that occurs when coming to a traffic light. I called the Subaru 
store, told him I was coming in because I knew the battery was still under 
warranty and it was crapping out.
Got  got it in pretty much instantly, they verified the battery was dying, and 
I got a brand new free one and I was sent on my way. 
While being observant while waiting in the service waiting area, I learned the 
three other people were there getting their batteries replaced as well. When I 
signed the papers and grabbed my keys, I was talking to the Subie boy about it 
and he said that they have replaced about 10 to 15 batteries a day over the 
last month or so. The last two months of Arizona has killed more batteries than 
they care to even think about he said.
Oh AZ…. it won’t rust your car out but it’ll get you in many, many different 
ways.

AZBob

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My dad's was a heap, barely ran at best.

The worst part is he sold it to get a Vega. This was when my mom drove a Pinto.

After the Pinto got wrecked they got a Lynx which was a Mercury badged Escort. 
Dad replaced the Vega with a Tempo. The Lynx was rusted completely out within 5 
years.

I've learned, whatever my dad think is a good car, is not a good car.

-Curt


On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:45:23 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





My first car was a 1970 Maverick two-door. Great car, very spartan, with just 
heat and an AM radio with a “three on the tree” shifter.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> My dad had a Maverick in the early '80s. 
> 
> The new pickup thing could be the greatest car in the world. I'll NEVER have 
> one. I'd rather walk...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:30:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Like the new Ford “Maverick”?
> 
> The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the 
> demographic they’re aiming for.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
>>> disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
>>> we slap that name on it people will like it."
>>> 
>>> You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
>>> made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
>>> road today.
>>> 
>>> Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
>>> whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
>>> Mustang design.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
> compliment).
> 
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>>> 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
>> automotive sale - craigslist<
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> tampa.craigslist.org<
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

The M1/M2 Apples look intriguing, but they really don't have enough
memory for (some of) what I do.  With 12 cores and 48GB of RAM in
the MP I can simulate an entire Park at once, should I need to.  I can
probably run 6-10 simultaneous VMs, which is more than enough.  Need
even more VMs?  Well, the MP can hold maybe 96GB of RAM if I need
it to.  I doubt I ever shall.

Also, I need Intel Windows, because that's what the Park is using.
You can't do this via VM cross-architecture, not at this time.  And it's
best if I'm running Intel Linux, since that is what the Park is using.
I can (and do) upload binaries I've tested at home directly to the Park.
So, Intel host hardware, no choice.

For _personal_ use an M1/M2 Mac would be just dandy, but I've already
got these MP, MBP and Mini Intel assets, and backups for same.  No need
to waste money, or have to carry more crap around.  The next Mac I buy
could well be M1/M2, but who knows when that might be?

We have four 30" Cinema displays here: one for each resident, with one
in reserve.  They are very nice displays!  Well worth preserving.  Mine is
hooked to a 4-port KVM, and four source computers.

I have three OWC docks for my MBP, one in each of its stationary locations.
Keyboards, displays, and mice also.  On the road I make do with the bare
laptop, but that's not very satisfactory, and drove the dock installations for
the places I was most likely to go.  I don't have a spare MBP, but am using
a mini as a backup for it.  It's fairly portable, to the dock-bearing locations
(home, camper, cabin) anyway, and vastly cheaper than a laptop.

So long as VMware (that runs on my MP) can run the latest Linux I have
access to 'current' browsers, and needn't be driven off of this hardware.
We're using 20.04 and 22.04 Ubuntu currently.

Part of my job is being on call, which means I need to be fairly close in time
to providing useful technical support.  (Translation: newly-fixed software.)
So, defense in depth is fully warranted.

-- Jim

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jim and others,
> 
> I just recently migrated to a Mac Mini M2 as a replacement for my 2010 Mac 
> Pro “cheesegrater” with 128GB RAM, dual 3.5 GHz processors, multiple drives, 
> etc., etc.
> 
> I was forced to move up to a platform that would support later versions of 
> web browsers so I could work from home. As Jim probably knows, there is an 
> “emulator” for lack of a better description, known as “OpenCore”, that would 
> allow me to run current Mac OS’ on my cheesegraters (I have a total of 4, but 
> only two were in service.) However, while these appear to work just fine, I 
> found there to be stability issues with some applications. Not good for a 
> work computer.
> 
> Even with my M2 Mini I have an external spindle drive (6TB WD Gold enterprise 
> class) that my TimeMachine backups are stored on. It used to “live” in the 
> Mac Pro. The Mini has a 512 GB SSD which will die long before the spindle 
> drive will, I’m betting (and yes, I got AppleCare!)
> 
> This is an aside for Jim and any other legacy Macs:
> 
> I wanted to keep my 30” Cinema Displays, which are DVI+ interface. I found 
> some Thunderbolt to DVI+ adapters on Amazon for about $65/each, and they work 
> quite well. The only issue is that the Mini only has two USB C/Thunderbolt 
> ports. I bought an OWC external drive enclosure/hub that gives me additional 
> ports and a place for my 6TB TimeMachine spindle drive along with a 2TB SSD 
> for good measure. I use the SSD for storing pictures, music, and documents to 
> unload storage from the boot SSD on the Mini. These are also backed up to the 
> TimeMachine spindle drive.
> 
> All in all, the transition was quite simple and has worked well. What’s even 
> better is that I can put the Mini and the external drive/hub in my backpack 
> and take them when I travel, making moving between locations a lot easier!

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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

All I remember about the Maverick is that they seemed to turn into rust at an 
astonishing speed. At least the ones I saw here in Indiana.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, at 15:42, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> My dad had a Maverick in the early '80s. 
>
> The new pickup thing could be the greatest car in the world. I'll NEVER 
> have one. I'd rather walk...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:30:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> Like the new Ford “Maverick”?
>
> The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the 
> demographic they’re aiming for.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
>>> disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
>>> we slap that name on it people will like it."
>>> 
>>> You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
>>> made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
>>> road today.
>>> 
>>> Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
>>> whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
>>> Mustang design.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
> compliment).
> 
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>>> 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
>> automotive sale - craigslist<
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> tampa.craigslist.org<
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[MBZ] O.T. AZ is Death on Batteries

2023-09-18 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

I was driving around in Mrs.Bob‘s Subaru today while she sat with her mother at 
hospice. On two separate occasions, it almost did not start from the stop/start 
ridiculousness that occurs when coming to a traffic light. I called the Subaru 
store, told him I was coming in because I knew the battery was still under 
warranty and it was crapping out.
 Got  got it in pretty much instantly, they verified the battery was dying, and 
I got a brand new free one and I was sent on my way. 
While being observant while waiting in the service waiting area, I learned the 
three other people were there getting their batteries replaced as well. When I 
signed the papers and grabbed my keys, I was talking to the Subie boy about it 
and he said that they have replaced about 10 to 15 batteries a day over the 
last month or so. The last two months of Arizona has killed more batteries than 
they care to even think about he said.
Oh AZ…. it won’t rust your car out but it’ll get you in many, many different 
ways.

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

My first car was a 1970 Maverick two-door. Great car, very spartan, with just 
heat and an AM radio with a “three on the tree” shifter.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> My dad had a Maverick in the early '80s. 
> 
> The new pickup thing could be the greatest car in the world. I'll NEVER have 
> one. I'd rather walk...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:30:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Like the new Ford “Maverick”?
> 
> The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the 
> demographic they’re aiming for.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
>>> disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
>>> we slap that name on it people will like it."
>>> 
>>> You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
>>> made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
>>> road today.
>>> 
>>> Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
>>> whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
>>> Mustang design.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
> compliment).
> 
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>>> 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
>> automotive sale - craigslist<
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> tampa.craigslist.org<
>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

My dad had a Maverick in the early '80s. 

The new pickup thing could be the greatest car in the world. I'll NEVER have 
one. I'd rather walk...

-Curt




On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 04:30:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Like the new Ford “Maverick”?

The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the 
demographic they’re aiming for.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
>> disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
>> we slap that name on it people will like it."
>> 
>> You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
>> made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
>> road today.
>> 
>> Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
>> whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
>> Mustang design.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
 compliment).
 
 On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
>> 
>> 
>> <
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>> 
>> [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>> 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
> automotive sale - craigslist<
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>> 
>> tampa.craigslist.org<
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

Like the new Ford “Maverick”?

The demographic that will remember the Maverick is me. Probably not the 
demographic they’re aiming for.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I hear it sells like hotcakes.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
>> disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
>> we slap that name on it people will like it."
>> 
>> You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
>> made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
>> road today.
>> 
>> Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
>> whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
>> Mustang design.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
 compliment).
 
 On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
>> 
>> 
>> <
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>> 
>> [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>> 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
> automotive sale - craigslist<
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
>> 
>> tampa.craigslist.org<
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

I hear it sells like hotcakes.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer
> disconnect, "People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if
> we slap that name on it people will like it."
>
> You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've
> made is a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.
>
>  -Curt
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the
> road today.
>
> Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on
> whatever that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional
> Mustang design.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
> >> compliment).
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
>  On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
> 
> 
>  <
> >>>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
> 
>  [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
>  2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
> >>> automotive sale - craigslist<
> >>>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
> 
>  tampa.craigslist.org<
> >>>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1965 220SE coupe, $19,570

Maybe that's the starting bid price...

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> Seems low priced for a nice as it looks, I suspect this is some kind of
> bait-and-switch ad
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] PC

They get boatloads of money for licensing O365 and Azure. I can’t recall 
exactly how many millions of dollars my employer pays them annually for our G5 
and O365 instances, but it’s a lot. And even after this they’re still digging 
for more, like charging for log transmission and retention, for example.

I see O365 and Azure as a Swiss Army knife. Sure, they can do a lot of 
different things, but they don’t do any of them in an exemplary manner.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft doesn't try too hard anymore about copy-protecting Windows. They 
> are stuffing more and more adware and tracking into it so the more people 
> they can get using it the more money they make.
> 
> As a company, however, Windows is not their future. They are selling cloud 
> services now. Office365 and Azure. They are milking Windows for money but 
> it's not their flagship product anymore. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, at 13:53, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Win 10 allows the original OS to be reinstalled. I installed it 
>> straight up on some Z440s I had at work. Just download the ISO from 
>> Microsoft and make a USB drive, easy peasy.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:55:09 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could 
>> be installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That 
>> was windows 7 though. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
>>> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
>>> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- Original Message ---
 On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or 
 more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded 
 the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of 
 months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and 
 stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the 
 cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At 
 one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also 
 ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to 
 PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when 
 trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.

 Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
 without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the 
 time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even 
 load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only 
 option is to try to have to reinstall windows.

 Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
 appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads 
 for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows 
 it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says 
 drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software 
 that might work?

 Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just 
 order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or 
 just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these 
 seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that 
 makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect 
 these drives externally to recover data.

 Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Re: [MBZ] PC

Jim and others,

I just recently migrated to a Mac Mini M2 as a replacement for my 2010 Mac Pro 
“cheesegrater” with 128GB RAM, dual 3.5 GHz processors, multiple drives, etc., 
etc.

I was forced to move up to a platform that would support later versions of web 
browsers so I could work from home. As Jim probably knows, there is an 
“emulator” for lack of a better description, known as “OpenCore”, that would 
allow me to run current Mac OS’ on my cheesegraters (I have a total of 4, but 
only two were in service.) However, while these appear to work just fine, I 
found there to be stability issues with some applications. Not good for a work 
computer.

Even with my M2 Mini I have an external spindle drive (6TB WD Gold enterprise 
class) that my TimeMachine backups are stored on. It used to “live” in the Mac 
Pro. The Mini has a 512 GB SSD which will die long before the spindle drive 
will, I’m betting (and yes, I got AppleCare!)

This is an aside for Jim and any other legacy Macs:

I wanted to keep my 30” Cinema Displays, which are DVI+ interface. I found some 
Thunderbolt to DVI+ adapters on Amazon for about $65/each, and they work quite 
well. The only issue is that the Mini only has two USB C/Thunderbolt ports. I 
bought an OWC external drive enclosure/hub that gives me additional ports and a 
place for my 6TB TimeMachine spindle drive along with a 2TB SSD for good 
measure. I use the SSD for storing pictures, music, and documents to unload 
storage from the boot SSD on the Mini. These are also backed up to the 
TimeMachine spindle drive.

All in all, the transition was quite simple and has worked well. What’s even 
better is that I can put the Mini and the external drive/hub in my backpack and 
take them when I travel, making moving between locations a lot easier!

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wish you luck in your recovery adventures.  I suspect that you've made it 
> harder
> for yourself than you perhaps intended.
> 
> I have put considerable thought, and effort, into my computing architecture.  
> All the
> work was in setup, in day-to-day use I don't have to think about the 
> complexity.
> Here's the TL;DR version.
> 
> SSDs fail, catastrophically.  They usually don't give you any advance warning 
> either,
> and the data, once lost, is GONE.  (Spinning drives can sometimes be coerced 
> into
> giving you one last copy of data, as they fail.)  You MUST be prepared for 
> eventual,
> inevitable failure, regardless of medium.  If you are not, you are being a 
> fool.
> 
> See: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html 
>  and remember that currently all SSDs
> are built out of flash memory.  Reality can be harsh, which sucks.  Deal with 
> it.
> 
> My main system, this one, is a Mac Pro from 2009.  It has four internal SATA 
> drive bays.
> I use a 120GB SSD to hold the OS and applications.  It boots very fast as a 
> result of this SSD.
> If/when it craps, everything there can be regenerated.  In other words, there 
> are no critical
> data located on the SSD.  (It has 12 3GHz Xeon cores, 24 hyperthreads, and 
> 48GB of RAM.
> It never even breathes hard no matter what I throw at it.  It is a 
> magnificent beast.  I have
> a spare, if it should fail.)
> 
> Though fairly unusual these days, it IS possible to partition the entire 
> system across
> multiple physical drives.  Macs are Unix-based, and Unix systems have always 
> supported
> such partitioning.  I think Windows can do something similar, but I'm not 
> familiar with it
> enough to say for sure.  For sure Linux can do this partitioning too.
> 
> My home directory (under which, as is typical for all Unix systems, ALL 
> personal data is located)
> is on 2TB spinning media.  It's slower, but is not subject to degradation 
> with use, unlike SSDs.
> The slower speed is essentially unnoticeable, as very few applications spend 
> any significant
> time reading/writing to data files.  (Not when compared to swapping in and 
> out chunks of the
> applications themselves.)  There are exceptions, of course.
> 
> ALL of this system is backed up via Time Machine.  Besides its utility in 
> recovering past
> versions of files, it is primarily there to provide catastrophic recovery.  
> If a drive fails, either
> SSD or spinning, a replacement can be jacked into place and then a full 
> restore can be performed
> to the replaced device.  It takes time, but the failure is as if it never 
> happened.  The most that
> is at risk is the last hour's work, because that's Time Machine's basic cycle 
> time.
> 
> My Time Machine server is using a 4-drive RAID 0, with only two of the drives 
> in-server at
> any given time.  The other two are rotated into service periodically, and 
> serve as off-line
> (and off-site) backup, for protection against fire and theft, etc.  My data 
> is never all in one
> place at one time.  Ever.  It would take something like an asteroid

Re: [MBZ] 2015 E350 window regulator

Another reminder of why we drive older models?

-D

On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The whole inner metal panel and the regulator are all one piece. It has the 
wire drive for lifting the window. And it’s all rivets. You have to replace the 
whole panel regulator assembly and rivet everything back in place when the wire 
breaks off the cheap plastic winder on the lift motor and winds itself into a 
rats nest. .Clearly not made for repair although it is possible by taking the 
whole thing apart by drilling rivets including speaker, sensors, lock mechanism 
on back, lift motor, crash sensor, and other stuff in there.

Total POS design and build. Pro tip:  put a long socket on your drill bit to 
keep from drilling through the rivets and smashing the glass. Drive end out so 
you can push the river bits off the drill bit




--FT
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Re: [MBZ] PC

Microsoft doesn't try too hard anymore about copy-protecting Windows. They are 
stuffing more and more adware and tracking into it so the more people they can 
get using it the more money they make.

As a company, however, Windows is not their future. They are selling cloud 
services now. Office365 and Azure. They are milking Windows for money but it's 
not their flagship product anymore. 


On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, at 13:53, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Win 10 allows the original OS to be reinstalled. I installed it 
> straight up on some Z440s I had at work. Just download the ISO from 
> Microsoft and make a USB drive, easy peasy.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:55:09 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could 
> be installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That 
> was windows 7 though. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
>> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
>> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos 
>>> wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one 
>>> point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered 
>>> a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With 
>>> SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to 
>>> access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>>> 
>>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>>> 
>>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that 
>>> might work?
>>> 
>>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy 
>>> a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so 
>>> cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the 
>>> most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>>> externally to recover data.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>> 
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[MBZ] 1965 220SE coupe, $19,570

Seems low priced for a nice as it looks, I suspect this is some kind of 
bait-and-switch ad

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/d/lexington-1965-mercedes-benz-220se-w111/7667363917.html
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Re: [MBZ] PC

Win 10 allows the original OS to be reinstalled. I installed it straight up on 
some Z440s I had at work. Just download the ISO from Microsoft and make a USB 
drive, easy peasy.

-Curt




On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:55:09 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could be 
installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That was windows 7 
though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t 
>> even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the 
>> last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where 
>> you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I 
>> finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there 
>> and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>> 
>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>> 
>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
>> work?
>> 
>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
>> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
>> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
>> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>> externally to recover data.
>> 
>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

Our local dealership had one for awhile. A typical case of marketer disconnect, 
"People have positive associations with the Mustang name so if we slap that 
name on it people will like it."

You could make an electric Mustang that people would like, what they've made is 
a family crossover and slapped the Mustang badge onto it.

 -Curt

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:47:51 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the road 
today.

Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on whatever 
that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional Mustang design.


On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
>> compliment).
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
 
 
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>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
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>>> automotive sale - craigslist<
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be looking at 
an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several revisions using that 
model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on eBay for a machine that 
would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...

Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. As 
soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the end 
time is neigh

-Curt

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I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP workstations 
with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I installed a new SSD 
as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 




--- Original Message ---
On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


> 
> 
> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This was 
> coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t even 
> see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the last 
> week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where you can 
> plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I finally 
> got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there and then 
> gives I/O error drive not accessible.
> 
> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option is 
> to try to have to reinstall windows.
> 
> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for a 
> few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it doesn’t 
> show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
> work?
> 
> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
> externally to recover data.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

> I think my original intention was to run the OS and applications off the SSD 
> and have the HDD as backup/storage.

Good plan.  That's what I'm doing.

> It somehow ended up backwards with the HDD running primary.

Oops.  Worst of all possible worlds: slower-than-desired operation, with data 
stored
on faster-than-necessary "Surprise!  You lose!" SSD storage.  Ugh.

Reminds me of that story about the wind farm.  The hooked up things backwards 
and
had the world's biggest and expensive fan!  It was the upstream folks who 
noticed and
asked the pointy question: why are you DRAWING power instead of sending it to 
us?

> My main concern right now is my database file for my vehicle service record 
> program.

As it should be.  At work we spent considerable time laying out a protection 
strategy
for the main database.  Defense in depth, that's what's important.  Multiple 
threat scenarios,
multiple solutions in place.  We are using an open source database, so vendor 
perfidy is
also protected against.

Another local seasonal business was struck by ransomware recently.  They were 
'down' for
a week while they tried to recover. Knock on wood, it would be more like an 
hour for us.
The most significant time loss is expected to be determining exactly what 
happened, and which
recovery strategy is best to pursue to minimize data loss.

> Everytime it starts it automatically backs up. It should its primary file and 
> the backup file was supposed to be going to the HDD. I had what I thought was 
> the backup file but it turns out it’s out of date by about 2 years. Not sure 
> yet what else I have on that SSD. 

Consider the nature of automatic backups carefully.  A naive approach has ALL 
copies of your
data vulnerable to damage or loss at once.  You don't want today's (failed) 
backup attempt to
destroy yesterday's good backup too.

> After I get this sorted out best I can, I will be taking a much better 
> approach to backups 

I bet!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2015 E350 window regulator

That is similar to the 164 except it’s held on with bolts and not rivets. 

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The whole inner metal panel and the regulator are all one piece. It has the 
> wire drive for lifting the window. And it’s all rivets. You have to replace 
> the whole panel regulator assembly and rivet everything back in place when 
> the wire breaks off the cheap plastic winder on the lift motor and winds 
> itself into a rats nest. .Clearly not made for repair although it is possible 
> by taking the whole thing apart by drilling rivets including speaker, 
> sensors, lock mechanism on back, lift motor, crash sensor, and other stuff in 
> there. 
> 
> Total POS design and build. Pro tip:  put a long socket on your drill bit to 
> keep from drilling through the rivets and smashing the glass. Drive end out 
> so you can push the river bits off the drill bit
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] PC

I’m not sure what else I have on that drive, but it’s essentially a clone of 
the primary hard drive but over time has had other files added. I think my 
original intention was to run the OS and applications off the SSD and have the 
HDD as backup/storage. Store files there etc. It somehow ended up backwards 
with the HDD running primary. My main concern right now is my database file for 
my vehicle service record program. Everytime it starts it automatically backs 
up. It should its primary file and the backup file was supposed to be going to 
the HDD. I had what I thought was the backup file but it turns out it’s out of 
date by about 2 years. Not sure yet what else I have on that SSD. 

After I get this sorted out best I can, I will be taking a much better approach 
to backups 

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wish you luck in your recovery adventures.  I suspect that you've made it 
> harder
> for yourself than you perhaps intended.
> 
> I have put considerable thought, and effort, into my computing architecture.  
> All the
> work was in setup, in day-to-day use I don't have to think about the 
> complexity.
> Here's the TL;DR version.
> 
> SSDs fail, catastrophically.  They usually don't give you any advance warning 
> either,
> and the data, once lost, is GONE.  (Spinning drives can sometimes be coerced 
> into
> giving you one last copy of data, as they fail.)  You MUST be prepared for 
> eventual,
> inevitable failure, regardless of medium.  If you are not, you are being a 
> fool.
> 
> See: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html and remember that currently all 
> SSDs
> are built out of flash memory.  Reality can be harsh, which sucks.  Deal with 
> it.
> 
> My main system, this one, is a Mac Pro from 2009.  It has four internal SATA 
> drive bays.
> I use a 120GB SSD to hold the OS and applications.  It boots very fast as a 
> result of this SSD.
> If/when it craps, everything there can be regenerated.  In other words, there 
> are no critical
> data located on the SSD.  (It has 12 3GHz Xeon cores, 24 hyperthreads, and 
> 48GB of RAM.
> It never even breathes hard no matter what I throw at it.  It is a 
> magnificent beast.  I have
> a spare, if it should fail.)
> 
> Though fairly unusual these days, it IS possible to partition the entire 
> system across
> multiple physical drives.  Macs are Unix-based, and Unix systems have always 
> supported
> such partitioning.  I think Windows can do something similar, but I'm not 
> familiar with it
> enough to say for sure.  For sure Linux can do this partitioning too.
> 
> My home directory (under which, as is typical for all Unix systems, ALL 
> personal data is located)
> is on 2TB spinning media.  It's slower, but is not subject to degradation 
> with use, unlike SSDs.
> The slower speed is essentially unnoticeable, as very few applications spend 
> any significant
> time reading/writing to data files.  (Not when compared to swapping in and 
> out chunks of the
> applications themselves.)  There are exceptions, of course.
> 
> ALL of this system is backed up via Time Machine.  Besides its utility in 
> recovering past
> versions of files, it is primarily there to provide catastrophic recovery.  
> If a drive fails, either
> SSD or spinning, a replacement can be jacked into place and then a full 
> restore can be performed
> to the replaced device.  It takes time, but the failure is as if it never 
> happened.  The most that
> is at risk is the last hour's work, because that's Time Machine's basic cycle 
> time.
> 
> My Time Machine server is using a 4-drive RAID 0, with only two of the drives 
> in-server at
> any given time.  The other two are rotated into service periodically, and 
> serve as off-line
> (and off-site) backup, for protection against fire and theft, etc.  My data 
> is never all in one
> place at one time.  Ever.  It would take something like an asteroid strike to 
> get it all, in
> which case I probably wouldn't be in a position to care anyway.
> 
> Because the bulk of my working day is spent in Linux and Windows virtual 
> machines,
> via VMware, the virtual machine file store is NOT part of Time Machine's 
> purview.  (This is
> because the VM files are not file-by-file, but device-by-device, which means 
> that these few
> large files would be continually churning into Time Machine's store, ruining 
> its utility.)  I have
> to be cognizant of that, and ensure that my data within the VMs is protected 
> via some means
> other than Time Machine.
> 
> Due to the nature of my work, I'm using Subversion source-code-control tools 
> for this.  This is
> weaker than I'd like, and I suppose I really should find some sort of Time 
> Machine-like tool that
> runs inside Linux.  (I only do final testing under Windows, all development 
> and most testing is
> done under Linux.  I'm using a multi-platform Lazarus IDE.)  But so far I 
> haven't been sorry that
> I still have that level of

Re: [MBZ] PC

I wish you luck in your recovery adventures.  I suspect that you've made it 
harder
for yourself than you perhaps intended.

I have put considerable thought, and effort, into my computing architecture.  
All the
work was in setup, in day-to-day use I don't have to think about the complexity.
Here's the TL;DR version.

SSDs fail, catastrophically.  They usually don't give you any advance warning 
either,
and the data, once lost, is GONE.  (Spinning drives can sometimes be coerced 
into
giving you one last copy of data, as they fail.)  You MUST be prepared for 
eventual,
inevitable failure, regardless of medium.  If you are not, you are being a fool.

See: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html 
 and remember that currently all SSDs
are built out of flash memory.  Reality can be harsh, which sucks.  Deal with 
it.

My main system, this one, is a Mac Pro from 2009.  It has four internal SATA 
drive bays.
I use a 120GB SSD to hold the OS and applications.  It boots very fast as a 
result of this SSD.
If/when it craps, everything there can be regenerated.  In other words, there 
are no critical
data located on the SSD.  (It has 12 3GHz Xeon cores, 24 hyperthreads, and 48GB 
of RAM.
It never even breathes hard no matter what I throw at it.  It is a magnificent 
beast.  I have
a spare, if it should fail.)

Though fairly unusual these days, it IS possible to partition the entire system 
across
multiple physical drives.  Macs are Unix-based, and Unix systems have always 
supported
such partitioning.  I think Windows can do something similar, but I'm not 
familiar with it
enough to say for sure.  For sure Linux can do this partitioning too.

My home directory (under which, as is typical for all Unix systems, ALL 
personal data is located)
is on 2TB spinning media.  It's slower, but is not subject to degradation with 
use, unlike SSDs.
The slower speed is essentially unnoticeable, as very few applications spend 
any significant
time reading/writing to data files.  (Not when compared to swapping in and out 
chunks of the
applications themselves.)  There are exceptions, of course.

ALL of this system is backed up via Time Machine.  Besides its utility in 
recovering past
versions of files, it is primarily there to provide catastrophic recovery.  If 
a drive fails, either
SSD or spinning, a replacement can be jacked into place and then a full restore 
can be performed
to the replaced device.  It takes time, but the failure is as if it never 
happened.  The most that
is at risk is the last hour's work, because that's Time Machine's basic cycle 
time.

My Time Machine server is using a 4-drive RAID 0, with only two of the drives 
in-server at
any given time.  The other two are rotated into service periodically, and serve 
as off-line
(and off-site) backup, for protection against fire and theft, etc.  My data is 
never all in one
place at one time.  Ever.  It would take something like an asteroid strike to 
get it all, in
which case I probably wouldn't be in a position to care anyway.

Because the bulk of my working day is spent in Linux and Windows virtual 
machines,
via VMware, the virtual machine file store is NOT part of Time Machine's 
purview.  (This is
because the VM files are not file-by-file, but device-by-device, which means 
that these few
large files would be continually churning into Time Machine's store, ruining 
its utility.)  I have
to be cognizant of that, and ensure that my data within the VMs is protected 
via some means
other than Time Machine.

Due to the nature of my work, I'm using Subversion source-code-control tools 
for this.  This is
weaker than I'd like, and I suppose I really should find some sort of Time 
Machine-like tool that
runs inside Linux.  (I only do final testing under Windows, all development and 
most testing is
done under Linux.  I'm using a multi-platform Lazarus IDE.)  But so far I 
haven't been sorry that
I still have that level of exposure to loss.  If I get particularly nervous I 
use rsync to save
away copies of involved work to other places from which I could recover at need.

The VM store is on 2TB rotating media, not SSD.  (Third drive bay.)  This IS 
definitely slower than optimal,
but I am willing to tolerate this because I don't save/restore VMs all that 
often, and I cannot tolerate
sudden surprise failure of the VM store.  On rotating media there is no 
degradation, and failures
usually start showing up as retries and other things that can alert me to 
problems before they
become catastrophic.  When an SSD fails, it's usually suddenly, without 
warning, and final.
No, thank you.

Recently I bought another external drive for my laptop, which is my backup 
computing environment.
I deliberately selected a spinning 2TB drive, because it's primarily for the VM 
store.  Yes, it's more
delicate and slower than an SSD.  I don't care, I simply cannot tolerate flash 
memory's inherent
failure characteristics there.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

2023-09-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 18/09/2023 11:46 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the road 
today.

Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on whatever 
that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional Mustang design.


They are no longer trying to sell to you. They are looking toward the 
young folks who have no history with Mustangs from the past.


I agree. It is ugly and pretty much useless in my opinion.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] PC

Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could be 
installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That was windows 7 
though. 

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t 
>> even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the 
>> last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where 
>> you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I 
>> finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there 
>> and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>> 
>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>> 
>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
>> work?
>> 
>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
>> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
>> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
>> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>> externally to recover data.
>> 
>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Long, But Entertaining

Could be a domestic partner "code share" flight with a US airline that shows up 
as QR on ADSB?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 15:35, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> That would be a violation of the Jones Act, so it could not fly to 
> another domestic port, only to another nation, maybe UK/Kanada
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There’s a Qatar flight out of Phoenix I see on our ADSB receiver on a 
>> regular basis. I think it’s a domestic flight, like to Chicago or NYC.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Many receipts, offers considered!

Speaking of Mustangs I just saw one of the new "Mach E" SUV ones on the road 
today.

Ford should be absolutely embarrased that they put the Mustang name on whatever 
that is. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to the traditional Mustang design.


On Sat, Sep 16, 2023, at 12:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Just like their resemblance to a Ford Mustang II.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If AMC made a sports car it would look like that.  (This is not a
>> compliment).
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah that’s maybe a $9k to an interested buyer
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Nice, but not that nice. Maybe on BaT?
 
 
 <
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
 [00c0c_f3AClJblKfn_0rq0kE_600x450.jpg]
 2001 Mercedes- Benz SL- Class - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle
>>> automotive sale - craigslist<
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
 tampa.craigslist.org<
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2001-mercedes-benz-sl-class/701194.html
 
 
 
 -D
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Re: [MBZ] PC

2023-09-18 Thread MB list etc via Mercedes

I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP workstations 
with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I installed a new SSD 
as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 




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On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This was 
> coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t even 
> see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the last 
> week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where you can 
> plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I finally 
> got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there and then 
> gives I/O error drive not accessible.
> 
> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option is 
> to try to have to reinstall windows.
> 
> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for a 
> few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it doesn’t 
> show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
> work?
> 
> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
> externally to recover data.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Distribution Logic?

2023-09-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 18/09/2023 8:32 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:


I bought some fuel injectors (rebuilt and flow matched NipponDenso, 
$35 for a set of 4!) from an eBay seller in Hebron. Got brand new 
Chinese shit. There's a drop ship point for the ChiComs in Hebron, as 
it turns out. It's like buying on AliExpress without the wait times.



Are you saying they advertised rebuilt original and sent you new Chinese 
parts?


Randy


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[MBZ] PC

My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. It 
had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I have 
noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This was coming 
from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t even see the 
SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the last week system 
seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where you can plug in drive 
to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to 
recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O 
error drive not accessible.

Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time and 
takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load windows, 
just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option is to try to 
have to reinstall windows.

Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for a 
few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it doesn’t 
show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive inaccessible. 
I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might work?

Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order new 
MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most sense? 
If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives externally to 
recover data.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Distribution Logic?

I don’t have all the pieces, unfortunately.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Meanwhile, I gotta find a replacement grille for this thing before the 
>> remains break off and poke a hole in something in the process.
> 
> 
> Shoe Goo!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Distribution Logic?

> Meanwhile, I gotta find a replacement grille for this thing before the 
> remains break off and poke a hole in something in the process.


Shoe Goo!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2013 Smart Lifted Fortwo · Passion $12,999

> Selling to get rid of these wonderful mods.

Translation:  "I thought it handled badly BEFORE the mods, but now..."

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2013 Smart Lifted Fortwo · Passion $12,999

2023-09-18 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes


Owned the car 8 years.
Just did these wonderful mods a tank of gas ago.
Selling to get rid of these wonderful mods.

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[MBZ] "Hurricane" Lee, a retrospective

So much hype, so much nothing.

It sprinkled here a little bit Saturday morning. I went down to work on one of 
the grooming machines and for a brief minute thought we were going to get 
rained out. I haven't talked to anybody up north yet but news reports suggest 
basically nothing happened.

Yesterday was glorious, one of those early fall days with the temp perfect and 
a bit of wind. We scouted a pond I've been trying to hunt but have never been 
able due to low water. Saw 14 wood ducks in the air at once. Woodies tend to be 
small group birds to see that many flying at once was great.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Distribution Logic?

2023-09-18 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes


On 2023-09-17 17:44, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
I’m looking for a replacement grille for my 2008 ML550 because the 
original was cracked in several places and continues to get worse. 
Another NLA part from Mercedes, too.


That’s not what’s piqued my interest. I’ve been looking at used and 
aftermarket options on eBay, and happen to notice that a fair number of 
sellers I have considered show as being based in Hebron, KY. 
Cincinnati’s airport, which is also a location for (I think) an Amazon 
fulfillment center.




I bought some fuel injectors (rebuilt and flow matched NipponDenso, $35 
for a set of 4!) from an eBay seller in Hebron. Got brand new Chinese 
shit. There's a drop ship point for the ChiComs in Hebron, as it turns 
out. It's like buying on AliExpress without the wait times.


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Re: [MBZ] 1968 Mercedes-Benz F20 camper · F20 $15995